/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10621573
Why tho.
I understand the TwinSnakes hack with the original soundtrack (available at CDRomance.com) is the best version.

Twin Snakes is unironically superior. Anyone who says otherwise is a emotional deluded nostalgiafag.

>able to fast forward codecs
>PAL key backtracking is now optional
>PSG1-T added so you don't have to backtrack to the armory
>card keys don't need to be equipped to be used
>runs at 60 FPS instead of 30
>vastly superior controls and graphics
>superior voice acting for most characters (Go back and play the original. A lot of the acting is not good.)
>MGS2 mechanics add new depth to boss fights (shooting pipes during Ocelot, ducking in the ditch to avoid the tank)
>non-lethal weapons give you more options during boss fights
>bodies no longer disappear, making the game more difficult
>improved enemy AI and longer evasion phase discourages hiding and waiting
>confirmed canon by MGS3 and MGS4
>cutscenes directed by an actual film director
>more accurate translation without the unauthorized changes by the narcissistic kike trannylator

>>10621583
>A lot of the acting is not good.)
Yeah removing mei ling and naomis accents was definitely necessary because....well because it just was okay!

>>10621573
>can't believe there are people out there that genuinely consider twin snakes the better version of the game.
Sup. Twin Snakes was my first MGS game, and I love it.
>>10621589
Yes, it is better, because there's little to no reason for them to have accents. Naomi wasn't raised raised in England, and Mei Ling was born and raised in America.
>According to localization translator Jeremy Blaustein, it was decided that the female radio support characters would have distinctive accents to differentiate them more from one another
There. That's the only reason he did it for OG MGS1. No thought to backstory or anything like that, he basically did it just because. So yes, getting rid of the accents was a change for the better.

>>10621583
>vastly superior controls and graphics
Yeah no. PS1 feels better.
>>confirmed canon by MGS3 and MGS4
wdym?
>superior voice acting for most characters (Go back and play the original. A lot of the acting is not good.)
While true there's Japanese voices for PS1. If only that could be properly translated.

>>10621589
It was stupid all around. A decision by meme translator.

>>10621583
>>vastly superior controls
Shoving mgs2 controls onto a game not made for them is not a good idea. It literally just ruins the game design
>>and graphics
Twin snakes looks like ugly six gen slop... it very technically has better "graphics" but the art design of Metal Gear Solid is infinitely superior.
>more accurate translation
They changed 3 lines to make them flow exactly like Japanese (make less sense; see: "Its a character flaw" vs. "It's a design flaw")
>confirmed canon by mgs3 and mgs4
Imagine being such a retarded faggot that you choose which version of a game to play by if the shitty voice acting was put in a game made 10 years after.
>cutscenes
They're worse and don't capture the tone of the original. Why does Otacon have to trip over himself like he has no control of his legs?
>non-lethal weapons
Removes the ludokino of Liquids "You enjoy all the killing" speech if you use them
>superior voice acting
Kill yourself

playstation fans would 100% cream themselves if twin snakes was a ps2 game instead

>>10621580
aside from ost

better colors
better VA performances
better localized script (Blaustein did nothing wrong)

>>10621703
This cope is retarded. REmake was Nintendo exclusive for over a decade and it's near-universally acknowledged as a good remake.

Kek

>>10621728
Snoys on this board still go apeshit seething about it

>>10621573
>can't believe there are people out there that genuinely consider twin snakes the better version of the game.
there arent. this is the dark souls 2 of retro games. no one actually likes it, but everyone shitposts like they do.

>>10621573
It’s the same game just better graphics lol

>>10621583
>>cutscenes directed by an actual film director

and they suck. big time. they totally destroy any immersion with the gameplay.

Take the fight with the cyber ninja. Was the last blow one you delivered, like in the PS? or are you just a placeholder as the player, and the last blow was the one in the 'cut scene'? And every fucking cut scene is like that.

And no, the VA isn't better. Its basically everyone being read as over the top as Liquid.

Yes but you see its on a nintendo console therefore it's a masterpiece according to toddlers

>>10621573
I could really take or leave most of the changes, if you stop being a grouchy soulless prick about everything the new cutscenes are funny in a good way and enjoyable. Id still rather have the originals but holy shit its been 20 years you can stop shitting your pants now.

What really kills Twin Snakes for me is the gameplay changes. The first person aiming destroys literally all of the challenge of the game. You can enter any given room and pick off all the guards and cameras in seconds, it's completely unbalanced. They should have redesigned some of the rooms to accommodate or just not had it at all. Also some other things just got fucked up, its insanely difficult to throw grenades into the tank boss but on PS1 its pretty easy to. The original game just had much more thought and care put into the moment to moment gameplay than Twin Snakes.

>>10621703
It would've looked better, gaycube can't do low level effect magic

>>10621573
I've played 2 and 3 a lot, but I've never played MGS. Just Twin Snakes.

>>10621583
Once again, the truth causes immense seething.

>>10621703
Correct

The thing about the PS1 version, is it's not fun to play.
MGS didn't get fun to play until MGS2.

>>10622318
MGS1 is more fun than 2 though.
There's nothing fun about the first person mode.

>>10622318
>The thing about the PS1 version, is it's not fun to play.
Yes it is. That's why VR Missions are popular in the first place.

>>10622340
>they had to make a whole second game, just to make the stealth mechanics fun

>>10622350
It was fun the first time. So much so released a mission pack with time challenges.

>>10621835
Here's a proper version

>>10622350
If you didn't find stealth mechanics fun to begin with, then the main game would've filtered you. The VR disc had some interesting unlockables.

>>10622365
The main game has little stealth and what's there is simplistic. It's an action game.

>>10622407
it has much more stealth than MGS2 where half the game was cut

>>10622307
btw I'm trans

>>10621580
>namefag has retarded opinions
imagine that

>>10621950
>What really kills Twin Snakes for me is the gameplay changes. The first person aiming destroys literally all of the challenge of the game.

Well, that's kinda true for any of the games with first-person aiming. Tranq qun was a mistake.

>>10621703
At least this board is coming clean about their hatred towards FF7 stemming from being on PS1

>>10621573
I enjoyed playing through it at the time, mainly because there was fuck all else worth playing coming out on the GameCube and it felt like a "big" release. Even back then I knew the cutscenes were awful though, and so did everybody else. They were widely mocked for being ridiculous and having a completely different tone to the rest of the game. The new voice acting has also always been acknowledged as a downgrade. Most of them sound disinterested and flat compared to the original, even if the objective audio quality is better.

>>10622519
I'd don't like the FF games that were on Nintendo systems either.
They all have the same problem, random encounters, and combat that isn't remotely fun or strategic. Who enjoys this shit? You just put up with it, to get back to the story.

>>10622516
I don't see how knocking a guy out and having to hide them is easier than just shooting them, and having the body disintegrate.

>>10622552
You can just tranq everyone who can find him.

>>10622560
You have to hit them square in the head or they don't go down all at once, and that can be tough to do when there's a bunch of them coming for you.

I prefer it just because i played 2 and 3 before 1

>>10621589
Don't care. Mei Ling's accent is cute and makes her more likeable. Removing it is just removing soul.

>>10621583
>I FUCKING HATE EXPLORING

>>10622365
MGS "stealth" is basically just Pac-Man. The game isn't interactive enough to truly improvise with your stealth encounters. Outside of the knock it's basic as fuck. Also, enemies being alerted if you brush against them while setting up a chokehold is objectively bad game design. Such a fundamental move shouldn't be so finicky, and they immediately fixed it in MGS2. 1 is only fondly remembered because of Kojima's stupid gimmicks like the Psycho Mantis fight or the torture scene, not because it's actually a good video game.

okay now defend the rocket backflip.

>translation autism

Good fucking god not this shit again.

It's pretty simple: The one you like best is 99% of the time the one you played first. If you try to pretend there's anything more objective to it than that you are just making post-hoc rationalisations of something which is really just pure feels.

I prefer MGS1. I don't like 6th gen graphics in general, they are too primitive to look truly good yet lack the stylisation that made 5th gen games look good. Twin Snakes also removed or changed a lot of things I liked about the original. Its okay if you feel differently.

But to me, MGS1 will always be the superior game.

>>10622962
first person aiming and smaller rooms ruin 2, otherwise most problems are still there. also give pacman more credit, you have to hold out long enough to collect all the dots while avoiding enemies, in mgs you just go to the nearest door, vent or an elevator.

MGS1 is better than 2 and 3 so I like twin snakes more than over half the series too

How much of the good reputation of these games just boils down to Kojima putting on a magic show and pulling gimmicky little spectacles out of his hat? It seems like most of the discussion of these games boils down to memorable gimmicks like Psycho Mantis reading your memory card, or trivia like "did you know if you set your system clock a week ahead, The End dies of old age?" I rarely ever see people actually discussing the gameplay. Without Kojima's little bag of tricks, would these games even be memorable at all, or would they be forgotten in favor of games with more intricate stealth mechanics like Splinter Cell and Thief?

>>10623414
early game having a complex movie tier narrative with cutscenes

>>10623414
I dunno. I think alot of it was time and place. I honestly find the shooting gameplay in all of these games completely fucking unbearable and the game asks you to do a lot of that for a stealth game. Compared to Thief the stealth is pretty basic and arcadey. You play it for the plot, but much of the stuff that happens is pure spectacle that is too silly to ever take seriously, but then the game asks you to take some of it seriously. There are some cool ideas from a narrative perspective in MGS1 and 2. In 2 everyone talks about it but its not as big a part of the game as people say and it takes a while to get there so the impact of that climax depends on how much bullshit you can tolerate to get there.

I think 1 is the best game and the narrative feels a bit more human.

>>10622942
That's the exact point I was trying to make retard

>>10622942
Yeah she sounds like a boy in TTS
https://youtu.be/8hRVl6GK1VU&t=3134

>>10621573
Agree somewhat. Twin Snakes is good but the Original is better.

>>10621573
>>10621580
>>10621583
Why does Dolphin emulating it causes such fps issues? I have gtx 1060.

I want to finally play it. Anyone has good settings?

>>10624868
turn off mmu

Sillycum Knights sucked ass and I’m glad they’re dead

>>10622350
The stealth mechanics are the same, VR Missions just adds a ton more scenarios and setups

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf6eF-6A9XA

>>10621583
>It's better because you get to engage with it less
ok retard

The mocap animation in twin snakes is laughably bad. Japs can't act worth a damn.
>Normal mature conversation, minimal movement, gestures only done for critical emphasis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX_rLYMz8cE
>All this retarded ADHD arm flailing to keep the low attention span kiddies paying attention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlu1hy7Wgz8

>>10621573
They both scratch a different itch and for me that’s the best kind of remake. It doesn’t replace the original, it sits along side the original and offers a different and also enjoyable experience. I also like the RE remakes, and the FFVII remake. Not as much as the originals though.

>>10621573
The only people who enjoy Twin Snakes over the original are clinically retarded, shitposters, or clinically retarded shitposters like >>10621583

>>10623327
I played Twin Snakes first, as in it was my first exposure to MGS and I played it before original 1 and it made MGS seem like such a total joke I abstained from playing the rest of the series for over 10 years.

TTS is the better version of the game simply for the first person aiming. I played both many times and I simply don't care about the original after a while. Once you see the cutscenes in the original and experience it for what it is, there is no reason to ever go back when TTS exists. Does anyone watch the cutscenes more than once? I sure as fuck don't. Thus, TTS is the definitive way to play.
>le heckin the lebels werent designed for first person aiming!!
I don't give a fuck

>>10621624
>Naomi wasn't raised raised in England,
Wasn't it Rhodesia? She would still sound like that. Rhodesian whites sounded a lot like they were from England because a lot of them were or were only a generarion or two removed.

Has anyone ever ripped the TTS script for a side by side comparison? From my understanding, only the major cutscenes were re-translated, which leads to fun stuff like Liquid's pet phrase being even more obscured in TTS because his Wolf codec wasn't re-translated.

I've always been curious about what exactly changed. Same with the JP script for MGS1 vs Integral, but I can't find any rips of those either.

The only accessible script I could find is the western MGS1 one, where you can go line by line through codec dialogue and the like, and I'm too stupid to work out how to rip the lines from the other versions.

>>10623327
>The one you like best is 99% of the time the one you played first
That's almost never the case

>>10625750
>le heckin the lebels werent designed for first person aiming!!
>I don't give a fuck
dangerously based

>>10621573
I played the PC version. Which is probably the best one. Everything is original, but with gamecube tier graphics. And it came with a bonus disc with VR missions where you got to play as Raiden.

>>10621573
I was so hyped for Twin Snakes when it came out. Despite giving it every benefit of the doubt, I couldn’t help but be disappointed. Looking at it now, it’s like mobile shovelware compared to the original. Somehow, it even manages to be uglier than the original, despite graphics being the primary reason for its existence.

>>10621726
Blaustein is a fantastic localizer and while people meme his writing for being melodramatic (MGS, SOTN, SH2), it’s also fucking memorable. Meanwhile, later MGS writing is just known for sounding awkward and retarded.

>>10626138
Blaustein is a retard who fucked up some really basic lines, and he's so senile he thinks he invented the HALO jump.

The problem with the later games is a direct consequence of Blaustein overstepping his boundaries, causing Kojima to keep the translation teams on a much tighter leash.

>>10626171
Somebody has to fix Kojima's awful writing.
There's a reason these games were much less popular in Japan.

So it's just Sony fanboys nitpicking the game to death - most of the criticism here is overblown.

>>10621573
The art direction of TTS plain sucks. I remember getting to the furnace and wondering how they managed to fuck up this bad.

>>10621583
The original MGS was choke full of retarded game design choices. It's a fancy experience but an absolute wasted opportunity of a game.

Original if you want to watch a movie and play a shitty game, TTS if you want to watch a movie and play a good game.

>>10626179
>Somebody has to fix Kojima's awful writing
Only Kojima can and should be allowed to do it.
>There's a reason these games were much less popular in Japan
And it has nothing to do with writing.

>>10626223
Take your pills and they'll disappear

>>10626403
What is it then?

>>10626543
The fact that you play as an american white guy in a movie-like setting.

>>10624957
Why though?
I think Eternal Darkness ruled.
I am a fan of Lovecraft's work, so I might be biased.
But I am leaning to believe you are just a Lovecraft's Cat.

>>10625538
the people who prefer Twin Snakes are tendies

>>10627397
I'm a pc guy whose favorite console is ps1. I had a GC for the Resident Evil 1 remake, and by the time TTS released I had already playec the original a bunch of times and loved playing MGS1 with first person aiming like in MGS2. I dont give a fuck about anything else, just the gameplay, which is objectively superior in TTS. The retards (like you) who prefer the original are just casual shitters who want to watch movies instead of playing games.

>>10621583
tl;dr: this guy is a tendie and thinks everything that happens to be on a nintendo console is double plus better just because

>>10627436
>just because
He gave many reasons as to why TTS is better, and your response addresses none of them and is a low effort meme response typical of what you would expect from a /v/ zoomer

>>10626223
Twin Snakes looking and sounding much worse than the original aren't nitpicks. I don't think the cutscene changes are either, but if you're skipping through them that's less damning. Some of the mechanical changes imported from MGS2 are nice, but many of them are kind of irrelevant (doubly true in the latter half of the game where stealth becomes sidelined). I don't hate Twin Snakes, I just don't see much reason to recommend it.

>>10621573
Twin Snakes is the superior version. Better graphics, better gameplay and better presentation. The only thing the original has the upper hand on is the soundtrack.