/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10610298
My argument is that I like it :^)

>>10610298
That shit all looks really cool.

Original hardware + pirated games. Every other answer is cope or mental illness

>>10610298
Fuck your bullshit arbiter larping. Without physical there would be no games to enjoy in the first place, there would be no aesthetic by console, limitations spurring creativity, interesting controller schemes, etc… and it’s often best to enjoy these things with physicality of the originals. Though, I’m not a faggot like you and try to dictate how others enjoy video games. If you want to emulate, cool, I do. If you want to hard plastic, cool, I also do. The only wrong way to play video games is not playing them.

>>10610330
>Without physical there would be no games to enjoy in the first place
99% of games have been dumped
emulators are very polished
you should be thanful for that and endorsing developers and roms archives instead of buying plastic.
each year the amount of consoles/hardware decreases due to hardware failures, misuse or accidents. Same for cartridges and disks
it's the exact same game btw... just emulate

Recently I had my old playstation out and was fucking around with burning some discs for it and let me tell you something I am so DONE with all that crap.

>>10610304
The only argument that matters. The universe is at minimum 14 billion years old and will exist for the rest of eternity until the eventual heat death in 1.7×10^106 years. We're here for a flap of a hummingbird's wings. Enjoy it.

>>10610489
>each year the amount of consoles/hardware decreases due to hardware failures, misuse or accidents. Same for cartridges and disks
Following that logic you might as well give up on gaming completely as your emulation box will also break down at some point in the future
Alternatively just play in whatever way you want and should it break down in the future then you can look for alternatives.

Great, another physical vs emulation thread. Nothing feels better owning the actual cartridge and system, but at the same time emulation is free and almost identical to the original so there's no reason to buy the real deal if you're just a casual.

>>10610298
I miss boxes and physical manuals.

>>10610298
The argument for physical is that monkey brain craves for things to touch. Not like I'd pay more than 10 EUR for a game though.

>>10610493
Yeah, optical disc drives in consoles were always cheap crap because (unlike with PC disc drives) the assumption was that you'd only use them to read OEM pressed discs, which are much easier to read than burned media. I've burned a few FreeDVDBoot discs for my PS2 for a project recently and the console is extremely picky about them. Most of them wouldn't even let me get into the menu, then after I've cleaned them with isopropyl alcohol they would let me get into the menu ONCE, then they'd crap out again. But there'd still be no sound in those cases. I realized that the DVD burner in my old laptop seems produce more consistent results and I've finally made two that work quite well, but the opening FMV is still broken on both of them. The console reads legal games with no problems though. Overall I'm glad that OPL exists nowadays.

>>10610547
>>10610547
Try greasing the laser rail inside the ps2. It won't be easy though to open it.

>>10610298
let's go beyond even digital
let's just imagine that we have video games

"You will own nothing and you will be happy" it's not right. Stop all the marxism & mental illness. Get some help.

>>10610672
Based mouthbreathing retard spouting memes he doesn't understand.

Corporations aren't phasing out physical media because they hate your money, they do it to force people to pay for monthly subscriptions. They don't want to sell you a DVD, they want you to pay for Netflix every month until the day you die. AND, on top of it, they want to be able to change or even erase that movie the minute they don't find it convenient for whatever reason.
You absolute buffoons that worship physical media never understood half of it. Of course owning a piece of plastic will always be better than merely "being allowed" to stream media at the corporations' whims, but you have such an asinine consumerist mindset that you aren't even able to see that there are other alternatives beyond the only two you can see.

Owning a BDrip of a movie means that you can make countless copies of that movie, watch it whenever you like, and they'll never be able to edit it, much less "cancel" it. It's yours forever. Owning a romset means that you can play those games forever, and they'll never be retired. They're yours forever. It was never plastic-vs-streaming, it was always owning-vs-not owning, and even without useless pieces of plastic I OWN hundreds of movies and thousands of games, and no amount of seething, neither from you nor from their "legal owners" will ever change that fact.
I absolutely understand people who prefer physical games over emulation, and this has absolutely nothing to do with that. You're merely repeating a stupid meme you don't understand and, let me tell you, it's clear that the only mental illness here is the corporate semen encrusted in your brain that makes you believe that if you don't throw your money in exchange for a magic piece of plastic, you "own nothing."

>>10610298
As I get older the games themselves have been supplanted as the most important/rewarding part of this hobby.
I like fucking around with hardware and understanding how it all works.
People who say
>just play the game
Are eternal children.
Why just play games when you can enjoy so many other things tangential to them.

I emulate most of what I play nowadays in some shape or form but let's not pretend there aren't...personal or psychological advantages to physical games.
For starters, you have more personal investment in it. You have to go out and buy the cartridge or disc, clean it, and sometimes fiddle with it to get it working. I was a big NES collector (decades ago at this point) and the fact I had to put a bit of effort into collecting games meant I was more likely to give them an honest chance. Destiny of an Emperor is one of my favorite NES games and it's something I would have played for probably two minutes had I just picked it off a list of ROMs. There's also a certain...fidelity to playing an old game on real hardware on an old TV. The games just look and sound differently - hence obsession with shaders and filters and shit.
I think buying stuff complete is prohibitively expensive for the most part but I've bought one or two games in my time and there's nothing like opening up a clean box, reading the manuals and any supplemental material before you play the game. It really adds to the experience.
And yeah, what's wrong with having a collection to display? People collect vinyl, ball cards, art etc all to display. Why not games?
Your video game collection just being a list of ROMS on a folder on your laptop is just kind of bleak.

I stopped caring about collecting physical when I heard we're already seeing DS and 3DS carts dying
I'll just use flashcarts or emulate old games

>>10610913
Modern cartridges use totally different storage methods than old cartridges. Don't generalize just because the language has been generalized to call them all cartridges.

>>10610656
Top tier sarcasm. Very good. These idiots will pay an "imagination fee" on top of it.

>>10610502
>He believes in the bullshit theory of heat death

Sad, many such cases.

>>10610325
I agree, and it’s what I do. But even then if you’re buying original hardware you didn’t already have, and getting flashcarts/odes/modding to play burnt discs, the price can add up fast. Even though I can comfortably afford it, I have to wonder if it’s a good use of money when I can just emulate.

>>10610330
>The only wrong way to play video games is not playing them.

You tried your hand at making a moral to conclude your post, but ended up with this retarded cheesy line that even the sesame street puppets wouldn't utter in an episode aimed for special needs kids.

>The only wrong way
There are many ways to play a videogame wrong, fuck off with this demented concept that "everyone is special, everyone is valid".
>is to not play a game
Not playing a game isn't a wrong way to play a game, it's not a way to play a game. period. fucking retard, do everyone a favour and never try to act wise again.

>>10611010
>There are many ways to play a videogame wrong,
how i play a video game has no tangible effect on your life, except for hacking in an online game ig.

>>10610983
What's wrong with that? Regardless if the universe dies or not, we'll all be dead way before that anyways, it doesn't matter.

>>10610857
>I like fucking around with hardware and understanding how it all works.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who shares this view point. I've found myself learning more about vr then actually playing them.

>>10611732
Based.

>>10611735
I really like vr too since every generation presented a new paradigm of doing things. Every console was extremely different and had interesting hardware going on, compared to today where everything is mostly iterative and based on PC architecture. But that is the consequence of standards being adopted and an industry starting to mature.

>>10610325
nah ill take my 8/16 bit consoles and collection of games in one handheld device, kys

>>10610517
mentally ill

>>10610298
There is no valid argument against physical.

>>10611759
Poorfag seethes with this chink 20 dollar handheld that isn't worth a shit.

>>10610656
The next level is paying to watch someone play the game... which is already the case on YouTube and Twitch.

>>10610517
Based, same.

>>10611771
Kino

>>10610304
fpbp

>>10610304
Literally

>>10610554
This is literally all I needed to do to fix my PS1's laser and it works amazingly now going on 3+ years of use. People who bitch about original hardware failing are lazy faggots who don't want to make the slightest effort fixing and maintaining their shit.

>>10610298
My game collection in worth more than my collection of burnt CDS and Roms

>>10611765
>everything that makes me uncomfortable is a mental illness

>>10610502
>the degenerate era
ah that must be where we are

>>10610298
Counterpoint: I'm a hoarder

>>10610857
>Are eternal children.
>Why just play games when you can enjoy so many other things tangential to them.
This really. Theres a lot more to these games than JUST the game themselves, like the culture surrounding them, the impact they had on the industry, their promotional artwork, and of course the hardware they ran on and how people really experienced these things when they came out. If you really wanted people to just "play the game" you wouldn't be on a mongolian fishing forum wasteing time talking about them and would be playing the fucking games youself.

>>10611852
that's the most impressive repair job i've ever seen. can't believe he managed to glue/weld the case back together and get it 90% good as new. i sure couldn't do that. of course he was also lucky that it was just a damaged case and the actual electronics were working with a little cleaning/re-seating of stuff.

>>10610298
The best argument is fippy bippy >>10610304 and the next best argument is resale value. The third best argument are edge cases where some features/content cannot be accessed (as easily or at all) without the physical media. To my knowledge, some VMU features for Dreamcast and a game or two that let you put in another game's disc for specific features are difficult to do with ODEs.

>>10612039

https://www.kelco.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/abs-chemical-compatibility-guide.pdf
Stuff that damages ABS plastic. Note that bromine is one of them.

>>10610304
FPBP

i like actually owning something besides digital air

>>10610298
Yes there is I can touch it. And I like that.

>>10612225
NNNNNNOOOOOO
NOT A REAL REASON
NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO

One device dying: being in most cases your PC means all your games are gone till you get a new PC if you don't have another backup PC, like a laptop or something.
It doesn't really matter about 'physical' whatever, just as much as it matters about the device you're playing it on. You can play SNES games on a N3DS, PSP, Vita, any windows/Linux/Mac/Android device.
The argument is accuracy, if you're going for that then just play the original cart, retard stop making bait posts you attention seeking mong.

>>10610857
This. Just take pics of the intro screen to games for reddit. Who actually plays games?

>>10612508
Retard

>>10610502
Thanks for existential crisis asshole

>>10611010
I play your mom with my dick, deal with it.

>>10610489
I said I emulate too, holy nigger faggots, Spiderman WHY R U GEY

>>10612661
Ok, but you can say that but it's true. You're coping that your hdds die. Sd cards die, chink garbage dies sooner. Parts are made shitter and defective then ever.You can download them, but what happens when those sites have class action lawsuits that demand takedowns lie nindentos does? Or when certain sites go down?

.t downloads roms too but owns physical of only titles I'm interested in

>>10610298
Nah, they should collect if they want. However, if they complain about being priced out then they deserve death.

Physical media is nice, but the hypothetical day corpos were able to stop emulation and piracey would be the day all of gaming history and preservation is over.

The argument becomes even clearer when we account for PC games, so stuff like Doom or whatever else, the do not even have a definitive version. There are releases on disc that is a nice supplementary artifact to have, but digital archiving is far more important.

Also if you have a copy of Legend of Zelda Nes, that's really cool and meaningful, if you have a copy of Battlefield V on disc for PS4, you can probably bet there's a higher level of built in obsolescence.

Still, there are rare games for 360, that never got a PC release and can't be emulated yet too, so why not pick those up.

Eternal Sonata for example

>>10610298
I'd love to have a proper physical collection, the feel of the real controllers, the CRTs, the actual disks and cartridges, boxes and manuals in your hands... there's nothing like it, and it's a superb sight to see... but it's way too expensive now, I'd really love to have, but if you're on a budget or simply have other, more important and urgent, spendings to make, there really is no argument.

At the moment I'm trying to save up as much as I can to move out of my parents house, pay for my wedding, adopt a dog that my GF wants, etc... it all costs more than I'd expect, living is expensive.

So for now I'll stick to the TVs I already have, with CRT shaders, ROM sets and RetroArch instead of disks/cartridges and consoles, and accurate retro controllers to get some of that authentic feeling.

Still, if anyone here has the budget, space, time and passion to manage a proper physical setup, even if it's a small one, I think that's incredible, it all dies at the end anyway, that goes for HDDs or SSDs too, brand new PCs, everything... so it really doesn't matter if this older hardware will die at some point, what matters is experiencing while it's still here, and taking good care of it. Cheers.

>>10614565
/thread

>>10610298
>bought a limited edition nu 3ds for $250 years ago, now it’s worth $650+
It’s free money

>>10610810
This.

>>10610983
What makes it bullshit? Because some faggot with no argument said so in the face of literally all the evidence we have about physics, energy, and matter?

>>10614565
imagine paying $25K for an expensive wedding instead of getting 500 $50 games

>>10610298
the physical handling of snes cartridges connects to my experience as a child, and having a limited, curated collection increases the time you play each title, instead of staring at 5000 roms and dipping into them for a few minutes.

>>10610298
Why do I need an argument? Learn how to be happy instead of going through life seeking anonymous conflict. You're wasting precious time on Earth.

>>10615912
What should I be doing?

Legit question for the Anti-ownership guys:
I kind of agree that trying to get into retro vidya collecting in current year is a bit silly but then again so are most collecting hobbies.
Now, what's your stance on guys who just never sold/throw away the legit stuff they got back in the 80s/90s/early 00s? Do you hate them too?

>>10610298
>history
>the real deal no compromise
>art, instructions, etc
>time machine
>worth $$$
>proven to be a great investment

You should 100% tell other people to emulate all the time. Frees up the physical market for those who want it.