/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10595404
Just give up zoomy

>>10595408
I am too old to be a zoomy and I never give up anon.

>>10595404
roms are illegal anon. you must own the arcade board to play the game you want.

>>10595404
WELCOME ABOARD THE MAME HATE TRAIN!!
CHOO CHOO!!!

Your supposed to backup your arcade boards

>>10595404
oh boy are you about to enter a world of autism, suffering and a clusterfuck of confusion.
best get revising on 1980s motherboard terminology and hardware.
see you in 6 months

>>10595404
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH
uninstall it bro
i guess its nearly time for our weekly MAME HATE TRAIN THREAD
download a coinops build like coinopsgold+
uses mame but hides the worst Ui the world has ever fuckin seen, basically plugNplay bb

works on my mechine

>>10595404
Filtered.

>>10595404
You start by deleting MEME and downloading FinalBurn Neo

>>10595404
Go to internet archive and just play in-browser. Much simpler.

>>10595404
just google your mame version and "ROMs"

>>10595485
Looks cool, will try it out. Now where are all the games at?

>>10595640
Doesn't support everything sadly.

>>10595914
>Doesn't support everything sadly
Not 3D stuff but it's better than MAME for 2D stuff

Here's your tutorial:
1)Get latest version of MAME
2)Google pleasuredome
3)Grab MERGED MAME romset torrent
4)Grab CHD MAME torrent if playing any CHD-using games
5)Download games you want, throw them in MAME's /roms/ folder
6)Play games
You only need a rom manager or audit tool if you are making your own split romset, or upgrading your romset with new roms.

>>10595408
That's a good idea.

>>10595640
That is true.

>>10595404
Don’t use it if you have such a low IQ.

>>10596223
Solid tutorial but won't he need the bios set too?

>>10596272
Or you can suck my dick while I figure it out, your call anon.

>>10596273
Shouldn't need it with the merged set, since that's supposed to have all the pieces in each .zip. Unless whoever manages the merged set for pleasuredome fucked up.

if you actually want to make this emulator useable you need to download an entire front end. this is the video that helped me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOBhB5DwE6w&t=118s&ab_channel=ETAPRIME

>>10596293
>Remark: The parent games in a merged set DO NOT include BIOS or DEVICE files - they are separate files within the set (An example would be 100lions (No BIOS in the parent) and Galaga (No device file in the parent) - This is per MAME design

>>10596295
That's strange, because when I made my own merged set using RomCenter, I was left with a 1z1g archive with no loose BIOS or device files. All samples inside the game .zip too.

>>10596318
I'm only quoting pleasure dome, maybe the process there is different?

>>10596320
Well shit, if they are gonna be lazy about it and not include BIOS or device files, then might wanna add samples to the list of things to download as well, they probably left them out too.

>>10595404
use 2003, 2007 or 2010 builds

>>10596336
I'll tell you what they have, you tell me how necessary they are
MAME ROMs
MAME CHDs
MAME Software List ROMs
MAME Software List CHDs
MAME EXTRAs full sets
MAME Rollback ROMs
MAME Rollback CHDs
MAME Reference sets

>>10597098
These should be the only two you bother with.
MAME ROMs
MAME Software List ROMs

These are bulky and mostly unsupported.
MAME CHDs (900GB of unplayable games)
MAME Software List CHDs (I can only imagine)

This gets you fancy marquees, but is unnecessary
MAME EXTRAs full sets

Ignore these
MAME Rollback ROMs
MAME Rollback CHDs

>>10597386
Any CHD games that do actually work? What even are CHD games?

>>10597397
Gauntlet legends for sure since ive played it

>>10597441
I wonder if anyone's made a zip of CHD games that actually work.

>>10597397
A CHD game is a game that uses a HDD, CD, DVD, or other medium like that. Much like CHD PSX games are compressed down, CHD files are those HDD, CD, DVD, etc, files compressed.
As for working, there are about 100 working CHD arcade titles at the moment not including clones(194 including). The majority are fighting games, racing games, light gun games, and some sports titles.

>>10597626
Is there a list somewhere so I can avoid downloading 900+gb of mostly non-functioning games?

>>10596294
NTA but how do I add the software list roms to this?

I think Mame is a great idea. I've used many times over the years. But not to sound rude, but what is the deal with so many unplayable old games? I tried to play Crisis Zone and Time Crisis recently and it doesn't work. Cruisin Exotica doesn't work right at all, and has so many bugs glitches. Many other games just didn't load.

I had to look online to find a chart of working games, and was amazed at the list of so many unplayable famous arcade games. Mame came out in 1997. It's been nearly 30 years since release. By this point I would expect a lot more games to be playable. Shouldn't there be more of a serious focus of getting existing games running?

I'm not trying to sound ungrateful, but I've seen emulators for other systems rise, play almost their full library, and become famous. What is going on with the priorities of the Mame dev team?

>>10598128
because emulating one machine (console) is far easier than doing it for 10000, specially when most of them have far less documentation
the scope of MAME can not be compared to that of a dedicated emulator

>>10598185
Pfffttt.....Not that anon but lol. That tired excuse doesn't fly when we have seperate emulators to emulate games that Mame can't like the Sega Model 2 and Sega Model 3 arcade boards. You tellin me Mame can't do it?

>>10598185
Dude entire countries have been built in 30 years.

>>10598308
>>10598209
Mame is a volunteer project so what gets worked on is what the volunteers want to work on. Most of the people capable of working with arcade boards have their own objectives that are are usuly niche. If someone volunteered to get time crisis working on mame, it would be working on mame.

>>10596293
I think it's the opposite, I've got a non-merged set and I just pull games out of it and drop them into my own folders, and they just werk with nothing extra required.

>>10598128
It's not really for 3D games, most 3D games don't run on MAME or run poorly. MAME is more about everything 2D

>>10595914
arcadepunks

>>10596294
Nah, I hate using that shit. What I did
>downloaded a non-merged set
>went through the list of games here http://adb.arcadeitalia.net/lista_mame.php
>pulled the games I wanted to play out of the non-merged set and into my own individual folders, sorted by genre
>drag and drop files into retroarch to play
And if it requires a chd, you download that and drop it into a subfolder with the same name as the rom.

>>10597990
People have made lists, but no one bothers to keep them up to date. Just google arcade database. Click on Games under MAME, then once the page loads click on Additional Filters. Mark Use CHD, then uncheck the box for Clones. Then change Emulation to Working and Imperfect so you only get the 100% playable games with no serious glitches. That will show you all 100 CHD-using games supported by the most recent version of MAME.

>>10598128
>Shouldn't there be more of a serious focus of getting existing games running?
There's a number of issues here.
First off, all the stuff that can easily be emulated with the level of accuracy MAME demands is effectively zero at this point, barring some occasional new dump of something. What is left is a bunch of puzzles and extreme effort cases that will require months and months of effort from someone to figure out. Like Primal Rage 2. Or figuring out why game X suddenly goes haywire.
Second, due to the level of accuracy required by MAME, a lot of the things it still can't emulate have stand-alone emulators. Model 2, Model 3, NAOMI, etc. MAME won't be capable of emulating those systems at full-speed for quite some time, since MAME insists on emulating the entire system as it would be in real life. Take the Model 2 emulator for example. The Model 2 has a bunch of co-processor DSP's running. On the Model 2 emulator, it just runs algorithms to get the correct result to pass along. MAME will actually push the data through the virtual DSP's and allow all the processing to happen at the exact specified chip speed before finally getting the end result. So even if you compile your own MAME to enable the Model 2 emulation, it will run about 5-10FPS at best. The Model 2/Model 3 emulators were made by a MAME dev, and they still tell people to use his emulators since MAME won't be doing those platforms until PC's can do all the shit MAME wants at a playable frame rate.
Lastly, priorities. Volunteer project means people work on what they want to, not what the users want. If the programmer would rather work on figuring out how the TV-plug-n-play works over trying to figure out why Mystic Warriors has graphical priority issues, then the TV-plug-n-play will be worked on.

>>10598942
I did this, there's 194 results. How can I download just these/find a maintained zip of just games that actually work?

I've never used MAME cause arcade games don't really interest me. QRD on why MAME filters so many people?

>>10595549
>those flashing patterns
jesus fucking christ, it's a wonder you don't hear of anyone having seizures in arcades.

>>10599128
kek none of the posts so far have actually explained why mame is so fucked but i'll try my best
>mame uses a base rom such as the jap version of a game, this is 1 zip file of a few files
>if an eu, spanish, or american translation of the game came out, there is now new files and to play that properly, you need the original jp files, plus the spanish files
>some games have specific bios files which are also required
>some games also have multiple versions like 2, 4, 6 players
the main point is you start out with one rom then the small additions get added like language changes. there is always one large base rom at least

>>10599115
>How can I download just these
Get the pleasuredome CHD torrent, pick the ones that work.
>find a maintained zip of just games that actually work?
Make your own and share it.

>>10599140
so do you just put the relevant files in the zip?

>>10599147
yeah technically, though its actually wasteful because you could end up with huge datasets of redundent bios' and stuff
for your own use just find the base rom, the language rom (if there is one), any updates, and then in the selection for mame you'll actually see all the diff versions listed, you click the one you have files for. there should be an audit db button somewhere in the menus to verify your roms. i suggest 'mameui'

>>10599152
What's the problem though? You put the files into the zip and run the game, right? That sounds simple

>>10599157
sometimes versions of the entire rom set change. so if you dl a random sailor moon arcade rom from a site, it might be old and not want to work right. what changed? i dunno. but mame is very version to rom version specific. thats why most people grab one version of a data set and stick with it. but again there is little advantage to having 1 zip vs many, they will both require the same files, so you might as well get used to what mame is doing

>>10599160
>>10599142
I am stunned no one has made the shit that works romset. Just every game, bios, chd, etc. you'd need to get every known game working. The way its done now is kind of retarded.

>>10599140
>I'm one of the people merged/non-merged romsets were made for, but I still insist on using the split romset
Why do you do this to yourself?

>>10599128
Because you just don't download random .rom and run it. MAME won't touch a game it doesn't recognize, since MAME doesn't know what hardware a game needs until it matches something in it's internal database and hooks up the parts. So every game needs to be exactly what MAME is expecting. Every file needs to be present, properly named, and the exact right dump, all in a specifically named .zip. There's constantly new dumps and improved dumps, so many old dumps no longer work. While a single .zip of files might be good for years, MAME romsets tend to have a version number for the version of MAME they are supposed to match.
A lot of romsites try to treat MAME like every other platform, and will just upload some random MAME romset. While that copy of Metal Slug may work with whatever version of MAME the uploader was using, and may work for years, eventually it's likely to stop working with the newest MAME due to some change. So someone who hasn't done their research will download random roms, they won't work, and the user screams that MAME sucks because they can't figure it out.
That's why I point people to the pleasuredome sets. At least they bother to maintain their shit instead of sharing some random outdated set.

>>10598975
>Second, due to the level of accuracy required by MAME, a lot of the things it still can't emulate
>MAME won't be doing those platforms until PC's can do all the shit MAME wants at a playable frame rate.
I'm Not even the guy you are responding to but I just had to reply. Accuracy is not an "all or nothing" proposition. I'm fine with games booting and running slowly. Then it gradually improves over time with updates to the emulator. That's how all other more advanced emulators have tackled it.

>Lastly, priorities. Volunteer project means people work on what they want to, not what the users want. If the programmer would rather work on figuring out how the TV-plug-n-play works over trying to figure out why Mystic Warriors has graphical priority issues, then the TV-plug-n-play will be worked on.
So the Mame team has ZERO leadership? No priorities? People can just join the team, and do whatever they want? It sounds like a mess.

>>10599165
it sucks but it shouldn't stun you once you understand why they layer shit is like it is. they are trying to emulate so many different things, this is the only good organized way to do it, even if it seems shit to us.

>>10598975
Dude....The original CREATOR of Mame said the focus of mame was to get arcade games playable on PC. So that he and everyone else could play the arcades at home on their computers. This current obsession over "muh accuracy" completely misses the spirit of Mame.

>>10599170
wtf, so you can't just select a ROM and then select which board to emulate?

>>10595404
Easiest way is to get it all pre-installed

The other easy way is to watch how to do it on a famous website with tutorials

It's not that difficult but the newer games that are over 100mb never work

>>10599197
>which board to emulate?
wat

>>10597626
Dang you know your stuff

Where can I find the newer mame roms post 2003? I've only seen pre2003 roms

>>10599202
You know, arcade boards

>>10599165
There is a site with this for an earlier version of mame. I haven't seen one with all the newest in one file yet though

>>10599165
I can tell you why, because I did exactly that around 0.180 or so, and maintained it for about a year or two. I did it to try and encourage more arcade discussion on the dead chan's /v/ board back when it still existed. I operated under the belief that MAME's complexity was keeping people away. You may be surprised to find there wasn't a whole lot of interest in it. There were maybe a handful of people who thanked me for it, and about a dozen total who downloaded it. On a board of hundreds or maybe thousands.
The issue here is that it isn't all that difficult to download the fullset and just filter by working from inside of MAME for those who don't want to put a lot of effort into it. And the majority of people interested in arcade games have already figured out MAME years ago, and either have fullsets or maintain their own collection. The only people left are those who can't be bothered to learn what you'll need to learn to make the romset, and are unwilling to download the fullset. Most of them aren't that interested in Arcade games, which is why they never bothered to download the fullset, or learn how to audit.
So you'll be putting in a lot of effort and time to cater to people who don't really care about the end product. That's why no one bothers to maintain a "working games only" set for long.

How does it work on the 360? I know the Xbox original runs the earlier ones well

>>10599214
The problem is that Mame is needlessly complicated when other more advanced emulators are very user friendly, and more simple to operate. Mame is operating thinking it's still 2002.

>>10599174
I understand it but seeing so many sites offer romsets begs the question of why is there no "games mame can actually play" romset?

>>10599214
The fullset of CHDs is almost 1TB and only a small fraction of that can actually be emulated. Even just a working set of that would be amazing.

>>10599173
>Accuracy is not an "all or nothing" proposition. I'm fine with games booting and running slowly. Then it gradually improves over time with updates to the emulator.
Anon, running that code through multiple emulated DSP's takes cycles of your CPU. As long as MAME is going to emulate those DSP's, MAME can't get faster running the machine until you have a faster CPU. They already know how to emulate Model 2, the guy who wrote the Model 2 emulator is a MAMEdev. His emulator handles it by doing it the quick n hacky way, MAME won't do it that way.
Just like how BSNES ran like shit early in it's life because the computers back then couldn't keep up with it's demands. Once people started getting CPU's that could handle it easily, suddenly it went from "Why do I need a supercomputer to run SNES games?" to "Just use BSNES, it does everything." BSNES didn't get more gentle on requirements, or more efficient, hardware just caught up.
>That's how all other more advanced emulators have tackled it.
There is no "more advanced emulator" than MAME. It handles thousands of arcade machines, handhelds, consoles, and computers. Nothing else does that.

>>10599208
You mean modern arcade games? Those aren't on MAME, those are jconfig/technoparrot. I occasionally see collections appear on the internet archive.

>>10599237
>There is no "more advanced emulator" than MAME
On a technical level yes, on a downloading stuff and playing games level? It's kind of a mess. So many packs, 1tb chd pack where 5% of it actually works, messy hud, shitty menus. The tech is phenomenal but the usability is like 3/10 that's why it has so many frontends.

>>10599249
>On a technical level yes, on a downloading stuff and playing games level? It's kind of a mess.
So you are going to compare an emulator trying to emulate everything against single-platform emulators? Are you gonna complain that a OS is more complicated to use than a text editor next?
>1tb chd pack where 5% of it actually works
You were just complaining about how you should be able to play the game even if it runs at 2FPS, now you wanna complain they give you the shit you would need to do so? Come the fuck on. I'm not taking you seriously anymore if you're just going to argue in circles.

>>10599262
>You were just complaining about how you should be able to play the game even if it runs at 2FPS
Oh sorry, we got our wires crossed that wasn't me. Different anon.

>So you are going to compare an emulator trying to emulate everything against single-platform emulators?
I'm just saying, it could be simpler for end users. It's not a massive leap from where it is now, just a few tweaks to rompacks or making an all in one "here's what works" pack would solve a ton of issues would be step forward, adding a UI for controls/picking a game/etc and only having the game render in another window would also be big.

>>10599237
>Anon, running that code through multiple emulated DSP's takes cycles of your CPU. As long as MAME is going to emulate those DSP's, MAME can't get faster running the machine until you have a faster CPU.
Oh puh-lease. The Playstation 3 RPCS3 Emulator is much more demanding. But it runs smooth and is playable with most of the PS3's library. Mame is not more advanced than a PS3. Your excuse doesn't work.

>>10599274
>I'm just saying, it could be simpler for end users. It's not a massive leap from where it is now, just a few tweaks to rompacks or making an all in one "here's what works" pack would solve a ton of issues would be step forward, adding a UI for controls/picking a game/etc and only having the game render in another window would also be big.

As long as the Mame devs have an attitude of:

>No we won't make things easier. You should learn to do it our way you pleb.

...Then nothing is going to change. Mame's menus haven't even changed in 15 years. You expect them to tweak the front end and UI? Just the mere suggestion of it gets your thread locked and you get a potential temp ban on Mame forums.

>>10599298
The thing is, I don't have such an issue with the complexity, I'd redownload the packs each update if the improvements were big but having to combo through like a billion goddamn horribly labelled zip files to compare which chds I need from a massive torrent is shit and I don't understand how that's still a thing.

>>10599298
>Menus
You know what though? I may use RA just for mame. Seems like the best option.

>>10599304
Different anon here. I completely agree. I just download one version of Mame and one 900GB pack of games.

Then I don't update it for like 2 years. It way too much of a hassle to update and re-download everything. If updating was stress free like Retroarch, then I would be more inclined to try it.

>>10599174
>this is the only good organized way to do it
It really isn't. MAME is mostly for light old games, I don't need to save 15kb on that file that multiple games share, copy paste it into each folder individually, it's fine. The difference between merged and non-merged sets is negligible once you drop all the heavy new games that don't actually work. Someone should just distribute MAME roms individually, it doesn't have to be this clusterfuck.

>>10599314
Different anon, did you know most of what you downloaded won't actually work?

>>10599295
>honestly believes that RPCS3 is accurately emulating every cycle of the PS3's chips
Bitch, BSNES literally only became usable by most people in the last 10 years. You honestly wanna pretend the fucking PS3 emulator is on a level of accuracy of BSNES? We don't even have a PS1 emulator that flawless yet. Duckstation is as close as it gets, and it's not 1:1 to real hardware yet.

>>10599274
>>10599304
>>10599581
See
>>10599214
That is why.

>>10599306
>I may use RA just for mame
That just adds another layer on top of something you were already struggling with.
Download MAME, download the matching ROM set, point emulator to ROM set, map controlls, play games. Lierally the same setup as any other emulator, it's really not that complicated.

>>10599895
The mamedevs figured out that the only people left that can't figure out how to use mame will never be able to. That's why they don't provide support anymore.

>>10599886
Filtering out working roms only is time consuming but uploading all the mame roms individually so that you can just download the one you want and drop it into retroarch, that isn't any harder than uploading all the individual NES roms. Somebody did it for just about every console, but not for arcades for some reason. That's the only case where it's a full set or nothing

>>10600004
Download the full set, filter by working arcade roms only, export that to an xml file, then use clrmamepro to create a set of working ROMs only which comes to around 17gb. Takes about an hour from start to finish, with about 10 minutes of that being taken up with you having to do anything.

Or as I used to do google working arcade ROM sets, there’s plenty of people who have done the work for you on this stuff.

>>10600004
>that isn't any harder than uploading all the individual NES roms.
The NES set doesn't need to be maintained every month after you upload it to keep it working with NES emulators, since all the official releases have been properly dumped ages ago. If you don't maintain, then 1-2% of the roms won't work with the next release of MAME, until the problem compounds on itself and half your roms don't work with the latest MAME. Otherwise you are just putting another out of date MAME romset out there.

>>10600067
>1-2% of the roms won't work with the next release of MAME
Isn't this emulator a bit shit if it kills support for 1% of the games every update?
>but it adds new releases that weren't dumped
Oh thanks for that 47th bootleg Vietnamese version of Street Fighter 2, that was very important. MAME basically doesn't run any non-/vr/ games, why aren't those games all dumped ages ago? Do they need to keep chasing every bootleg?

>>10600105
It’s not remotely close to 1% of ROMs changing with each update, doubt it’s even 0.1%. Support isn’t killed with an update, it’s improved.

>>10600105
>Oh thanks for that 47th bootleg Vietnamese version of Street Fighter 2, that was very important. MAME basically doesn't run any non-/vr/ games, why aren't those games all dumped ages ago? Do they need to keep chasing every bootleg?
I think they have an archive roles. They try to have every version of a rom, and to make playable what can be. Mame is an arcade museum.

>>10600105
Within the last few years we got Marble Madness 2, a ton of protection chips finally dumped using lasers to disable the security(a sentence that gets stranger every time I type it), they discovered Capcom's Avengers had a MCU hidden under the sound module and got it dumped, and a bunch of obscure old games finally got dumped like Akazukin and Akka Arhh.
>why wasn't this stuff dumped ages ago?
Hoarders, couldn't figure out how to dump using the tools available, didn't know the chip existed, and hoarders respectively.

>>10600158
Museums don't hoard bootlegs though. You don't have 15 versions of Mona Lisa redrawn by Vietnamese dudes next to the real one

>>10600204
https://www.fastcompany.com/90170415/so-many-museums-are-filled-with-fake-paintings

>>10600160
>they discovered Capcom's Avengers had a MCU hidden under the sound module and got it dumped
That one was pretty hilarious. I don't know what state emulation of the game was before that discovery, but it sounded like a novel and surprisingly effective copy protection.

>>10600308
If you knew how many games had those kind of issues because of bad dumps and understanding of the system, even of these days. Sunset Riders for years had a bad implementation of it's slopes (no idea why) which made walking them and issue as it worked like steps, and that broke the scrolling of the final stage because that didn't worked while jumping. Jaleco System 1 games also had a "mosaic" effect that went unemulated for years and that made for some nice effects, even on Chimera Beast which wasn't even released. All this stuff got fixed anyway.

>>10600218
You weren't supposed to notice...

>>10600160
>Hoarders, couldn't figure out how to dump using the tools available, didn't know the chip existed, and hoarders respectively.
Not an excuse at all. There were plenty of boards and games available for Mame team to dump. Just buy one and dump it.

>>10600643
>Just buy one and dump it.
Because it’s that simple.

>>10599140
worst shit is when they the parent ROM is some obscure western release no one ever saw. to get Gradius II working, you need to actually get the Vulcan Venture rom first.

>>10600656
>Because it’s that simple.

Yes it's that simple. Mame gets plenty of donations every month. Go on eBay or an arcade website and buy the board you need.

There is no practical reason you can't do that.

>>10600662
I'd say the only real problem with MAME is the bullshit with CHD. Since you have to either eat 1tb of space or sift through the poorly labeled zip files and and pick out the ones that actually work.

>>10600662
You can grab a torrent and download the whole rom set. It's just 77GB.

>>10600696
lol

>>10600703
I still haven't understood what are CHD, and I didn't need them, yet. What are they?

>>10600713
Games that use external media like HDD, CDs and DVDs have that data stored on CHD. Games like Killer Instinct and Area 51 are an earlier example.

>>10600713
Some games, for example NBA on NBC need them. They represent a disc or HDD used with the game.

>>10600678
Different anon here. Mame relies on board donations and the team doesn't like paying for stuff - even with with plenty of money donations every month from fans.

If there is a board they need, Mame won't buy it. What they will do is whine about not having it for years, call it 'rare', and blame "mysterious hoarders" as the reason they don't have a certain arcade board. It's hilarious their fanbase actually believes it. And they repeat this process of e-begging and whining until someone gives it to them many years later (Or in several cases a fan steals it and gives it to Mame).

Think of Mame as a really cheap friend who is always begging for free stuff despite having a wallet full or cash. Or one of those homeless guys begging on the street for cash and food, but it turns out they secretly make good money.

It's one of the reasons why Asian and Japanese rom dumpers won't work with them. Mame has a terrible reputation with it comes to acquiring roms, constantly doing shady stuff, and breaks their agreements with other fan groups. They are that one friend that you can't trust to leave alone in your house because they might steal something when you aren't watching them.

>>10600724
Steal how? Give them whatever, let's just get these fucking games archived and working.

>>10600714
>>10600721
Thank you for the intel. I won't probably need them.

>>10600734
>Steal how?
Do not know how stealing works? It's when you take without asking for permission first.

>>10600760
Yes but what do they do? Show up and steal boards?

>>10600713
Many arcade games in the early 90s started using hard drives to store and load data. This was especially true for 3D games which were exponentially bigger in size compared to 2D games. These hard drives were dumped and called CHD files.

>>10600770
>Show up and steal boards?
In some cases, yes. The Mame team has no issues using stolen boards and roms. It's why they have a bad reputation with other gaming and emulation groups.

>>10600784
I gotta be honest, if it preserves them I really could care less about the internal politics of it. Pretty much the only way most of us will ever get a chance to play these games.

>>10600794
Yes, roms must be dumped and emulated.

>>10600794
You *should* care. It's disappointing that you don't care if crimes are committed, but let's set that aside for a moment and look at it from a different angle. Mame's actions are incredibly short-sighted.

Stealing material burns their bridges and destroys any relationships they potentially had with other preservation groups. All for some short term gains. These actions gives them a shady relationship in the preservation community, and it's one of the reasons why some rarer games will never be dumped on Mame now. No one trusts them.
Mame can't preserve all video games made by themselves. Game preservation is a team effort, and requires the efforts of people collaborating across the world.

>>10600817
>>10600794
It never happened

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/after-a-lost-atari-rom-leaks-retro-fans-ask-was-it-stolen/

>That a technician would come in to a collection to fix something else, break into the Akka Arrh machine, pull out all of the ROMs, burn them one-by-one (which requires a ROM burner and a computer), then put everything back unnoticed doesn't seem plausible to me. Chances are, [Evans] or one of the other two collectors happened to have backed up the ROMs when they first got the machine and that backup either got out, or one of the collectors finally decided to anonymously upload the ROMs.

>>10600770
>Yes but what do they do? Show up and steal boards?
In some instances yeah. Straight up take the board.

>>10600794
>>10600842
>Game preservation is a team effort, and requires the efforts of people collaborating across the world.
Exactly. If some rare video game was only released in Asia in very small amounts, then do expect the Asian groups to cooperate with Mame if they have a shit reputation? If your end goal is to have all games dumped and preserved for the everyone to play, then you SHOULD care about all these preservation groups cooperating and working together positivitely. Not stealing from eachother and screwing eachother over.

>>10600850
You think this is only instance of shady shit going on with Mame over its 30 year life? Lmao. Tourist.

>>10600881
Why do they have to steal (if it's true)?

>>10600887
Funny i knew exactly what you were trying to use as an argument, and that you instantly knew you had no leg to stand on so you're now trying to muddy the water.

Let me guess, you're the sperg that spends all his time trying to get people to switch to final burn because youre too dumb to follow directions

>>10600920
>Why do they have to steal (if it's true)?
Because they don't have access to the game. Not all games were released worldwide. If a Deluxe arcade machine that was only released in Asia only had 40 units ever produced and only 2 are still known to exist, then they are going to need the cooperation of Asian preservation groups to get the boards or rom files.

>>10600947
>Because they don't have access to the game.
And those who had, did they dump it?

>>10600951
>And those who had, did they dump it?
Dump it where? Be specific.

>>10600951
IF a rare limited release asian-only arcade board was saved from destruction, and IF it was saved by someone who cares, and IF they had the technical knowledge on how to dump it, then MAYBE the files would be in the hands of Asian game preservation groups.

>>10600962
Dump it, rip it, I don't know the term, and share the rom on the internet like Mame do?

>>10600967
I still don't understand why Mame had to do it if the Asian (or any else community) do it before?

>>10600981
Asia has their own internet and their own "Asian specific" Game Preservation Groups. They are not linked to Western Internet where Mame is located.

>>10601000
Do they shared with the World how the boards are made, what components, what is in the roms? Or do they keep that information private? If they don't, Mame is morally correct, Mame share with the world their knowledge.

>>10600981
>I don't know the term, and share the rom on the internet like Mame do?

That's just files available on public western internet sites.

Asian and Japanese game preservation groups operate independently. They have their own groups, websites, and sometimes their own emulators. Game roms are dumped and preserved, but are not always accessible to us Westerners.

>>10601019
>but are not always accessible to us Westerners.
So, it's time to raid.

>>10600981
>>10601013
I think you have some misunderstandings about how the two game preservation cultures operate. Both sides dump and preserve roms. But they differ on their approaches on who gets access to the dumped rom files.

In the East, Asians usually negotiate with and be-friend game collectors. They take a much more friendly approach and invite them to involved in the dumping and sharing process. They recognize the efforts of those collectors that spent decades saving rare game boards (there are stories of collectors saving rare game boards by dumpster diving in the cold rain). They give game collectors a say in how their rom is shared and who gets access. It's a cooperative relationship between Asian collectors and Game Preservation Groups. If a collector says they only want the digital rom shared with a specific group of people, then usually the preservation groups honor it. The dumped roms are saved digitally, but not everyone gets access. That's how their Asian culture operates. You have to earn and respect their trust. This cooperative relationship has given some Asian Game Preservation Groups a really good reputation within the Game collector community within Asia. Because of this good rep, many Asian game collectors have come forward to cooperatively work with some Asian Game Preservation groups. Asia has A LOT more rare arcade games compared to the West. So cooperation is essential.

Westerners take a much different approach. Unfortunately, It's a much more hostile relationship between rom dumpers VS Collectors. There is almost no cooperation. It's very much a "Fuck those collectors. Get their stuff even if we have to steal it and dump it publicly" mentality. This has led to many stories of collectors getting screwed over and their efforts not acknowledged by dumpers.

Asian Preservation Groups and Western Groups (like Mame) have tried to cooperate in the past. The Western Groups just copied and took roms without even asking. It ended poorly.

>>10601063
A game persevered and not publicly accessible may as well not be preserved at all. You ever think of that?

>>10601063
I side with the Western way to do things.

>>10601076
>A game persevered and not publicly accessible may as well not be preserved at all. You ever think of that?

The Mona Lisa painting is preserved, but you don't have access to it at you local museum. That doesn't mean the Mona Lisa isn't preserved and for future generations.

>>10601086
>I side with the Western way to do things.
Sure You can side with the West's way of doing things, but Asia has far more games that were never released in the West. Asia has the edge. They have games and sequels that even the Mame team didn't know existed.

The West screwed themselves over long term by destroying their relationship with Asian groups. Because now they won't get access to those very rare Asian only games. If Western groups only cooperated little more and didnt copy without permission, then maybe it would be a different story. Serious lack of long term thinking on their part.

>>10601102
You can have access to copy, the original one it's impossible, there is only one, we can't duplicate it. But copy, images of that painting are accessible everywhere.

>>10601110
It's OK, we will raid them one day and made that things available to the public. Or it will disappear from history. The only way to preserve on the long run is to share.

>>10601076
You don't get it. It's preserved, saved, and shared. Just not shared with Westerns like you. Asian gaming culture doesn't like outsiders - especially Westerners. If you were Asian, part of the gaming community, and proved trustworthy then you could probably get access and play these rare games. Sometimes these communities even work together preserve the original cabinet/machine too (*cough* Galaxian3 *cough*).

This good relationship between Asian preservation groups and Asian collectors is why so many collectors have come forward to dump their rare games for Asian game preservation group. You just don't see this happening in the West. It's why some games and machines are just lost to time.

>>10601102
Fucking retarded comparison anon, a painting is one of a kind. A rom can be dumped and distributed 1:!. Furthermore, the mona lisa has been photographed countless times and duplicated as perfectly as possible too for the sake of access.

>>10601158
>Fucking retarded comparison anon, a painting is one of a kind.
You can take a picture of it, or look at a 1:1 digital scan of the painting. It's a copy.

>>10601162
Well by that logic, it's still a retarded comparison since both of those exist in abundance.

>>10601086
>I side with the Western way to do things.
That's why you have half as many games

>>10601220
I have the ones I want.

>>10601063
I can definitely appreciate the Asian way of doing things and cooperating. A little diplomacy goes a long way. The West could learn from that. It doesn't need to be such a confrontational relationship between gamers and collectors.

The famous Galloping Ghost Arcade has struck a great middle ground. They provide the game to the public while still honoring the collector's wishes. They have extremely rare prototype arcade cabinets loaned/sold to them on the condition that the backup roms never be dumped publicly on the internet. The collectors who gave the machines Galloping Ghost wanted people to play in on arcade cabinet, and to get an arcade experience. To experience the game the same way people did in the 80s and 90s.

>>10601417
Help me understand the POV of collectors and being elitist about who gets roms. What do they gain from that arrangement?

>>10601425
They get to make turd worlders seethe

>>10601425
Egotistic man children. There is no other sane explanation.

>>10601425
Anon what's so hard to understand?

You (rom dumping group) are asking a collector to essentially donate help to a charity cause. Like other anon said: A little diplomacy, kindness, and most importantly respect goes a long way. That's why Galloping Ghost succeeded.

Most Western dumping or emulation groups are incapable of this basic courtesy because they are run by people who lack common social skills, or have some sort of social disorder (not even joking here). Have you seen the Western comments online around these communities? Toxic and extremely negative to collectors.

Collectors are not "hoarders" or elitists. Most of them are just ordinary normie gamers and people who just happen to have an item that is now very rare. Many of these people don't even participate in online communities, or know how in-demand their item is.

Use your Imagination here: Pretend that you have an arcade machine that your grand-dad gave you in the 1980s before dying. You then spent a lot of money, time, and energy to keep it running and in amazing condition. You have a lot of fond memories of it and playing on it with your own family and now your kids. You are just an ordinary normie casual gamer that doesn't participate in online discussions or emulation forums.

Then 20 years later some random person contacts you demands you give them access to your machine for something called "dumping roms". You've never heard of these people before. You've never met them, and they seem to basic social skills. Perhaps you are on the fence and aren't sure if you want to help, but then they insult you and call you names. That seals it. You don't want to help these people. They lack respect.

It's no wonder that collectors would rather donate their machines and roms to Galloping Ghost Arcade. Or even to the National Video Game Museum in New York (so much so that they have to turn away donations). These are proven legitimate places that pay respect to the games and former owners.

>>10600734
>Steal how? Give them whatever, let's just get these fucking games archived and working.
>>10600770
>Yes but what do they do? Show up and steal boards?

You think the emulation community is special or unique when it comes to stealing? It's the gaming community as whole. Gaming attracts a special kind of hyper-obsession. There are stories of people breaking into buildings to steal physical arcade and pinball machines. People even driving hours abd breaking into boarded-up buildings of businesses that closed down years ago because they heard a rare arcade machine was inside. These aren't condemned or buildings that are falling apart. These are just regular buildings that still have owners. Just no one inside right now. People breaking in to get to the machine deep inside the building. Emulation, pinball, arcade machines...all of them have people hyper obsessed and want to do whatever it takes.

>>10601532
>wrote an essay about an imaginary scenario where people trying to dump roms call collectors, insult them and call them names
That's all you need to know about hoarders, they're nutters

>>10601598
>it's all imaginary!
Lmao. You have no idea and just outed yourself. You wouldnt say that if you were actually involved in the community.

>>10601598
Let's see what someone with actual credibility has to say one the subject.

>The ROM-dumping crowd throw words like "hoarder" around, a word I've seen multiple times today already, usually vitriolic in context. But let's consider the consequences:
>Said collector, who might have been on the fence, is being met with nothing but hostility for having the gall to own a thing. Do you suppose this hostility is going to make them change their opinions?
>Let me be clear, this is not theoretical. This is real. This is the shit I have had to deal with all of my adult life, having to have sit-down conversations in person with collectors apologizing for your anonymous scene-kid asses going off the deep end.
>Do I agree that we should be saving as much video game data as possible? Yeah, obviously. But to scream at and now outright STEAL from the people who literally dumpster-dived and made weird backchannel deals to save games from destruction? Do you really want to lose that ally?
>I have turned collectors around! I have done this through patience and empathy. I have saved unreleased games from people we thought were impossible by understanding them as people and either convincing them of what's right or by finding a middle-ground.
>I have also had to face the real world consequences of ROM dumper hostility. I have had to look people in the eye who were burned by people within my own community stealing data from them, people who could have been negotiated with and maybe eventually turned.
>There's that old saying, "I don't shit where I eat," and it applies here. These collectors are the people who are out there hustling saving their stuff in their own way, which you should acknowledge even if you don't necessarily agree with it. This is where this stuff comes from!

-Frank Cifaldi, Founder of the famous "Video Game History Foundation" that aims to archive and preserve games for future Generations.

>>10601532
What about data preservation is lost on a normie? >Hey that arcade you have is rare as fuck and if you let us borrow your shit we can digitally preserve it for everyone, for all time.

Wooowwww and just like that I solved your hypothetical. Except that hypothetical isn't the real world, it is hoarders who "know what they have" and get off on owning something rare or valuable. Happens with cart games all the time.

>>10601627
>Hey that arcade you have is rare as fuck and if you let us borrow your shit we can digitally preserve it
Spoken like a gutter rat with no respect or class. No one is going to help your cause if you come at them like that. Plus there are million different charities in the world. People have a limited amount time, money, and interest. Why should they care about your cause more than say...starving kids in Africa?

>>10601643
They don't have to do anything. Just give permission.

>>10601627
>Hey that arcade you have is rare as fuck and if you let us borrow your shit we can digitally preserve it for everyone, for all time.
>Wooowwww and just like that I solved your hypothetical.

I would love for you try calling a normie on the phone with that attitude and use those exact words.

>>10601673
The truth is the collectors have the tools to at least dump the roms and they do because if they will need to repair theirs if it does die, they just don't want to distribute it.
They don't need to send it off to someone else for that. It's only necessary if there's some sort of protection which isn';t the case most the time with prototypes, or its some obscure board that hasn't been reverse engineered.

>>10601643
>>10601673
>Spoken like a gutter rat with no respect or class
Excuse me for not classing up my alaskan flyfishing forum post. Obviously, you'd be polite and cordial.

>Plus there are million different charities in the world. People have a limited amount time, money, and interest.
Not asking for much, asking to come plug my computer into your arcade and leave.

>Why should they care about your cause
You're right, maybe they won't care and don't want even the small hassle of allowing someone to dump their game, even that I can understand but you're failed to explain why they'd allow it but only in limited circles or if you're a verified cool guy on the IRC channel or whatever.

>>10601627
>Hey that arcade you have is rare as fuck and if you let us borrow your shit

Wife's response who answered the phone:

"Who are you and where did you get this number? How did you know we have an arcade machine. No. Don't you ever call me or my family ever again."

>>10600724
>It's one of the reasons why Asian and Japanese rom dumpers won't work with them.
I dunno what sort of story you are trying to spin here, but the reason the JP dumping people won't work with MAME directly is entirely due to Guru. They got pissed off he kept releasing games the MAME team promised to keep under wraps until the JP dumpers could sell the boards. So they still work with the other MAME guys, but all off-the-record where Guru can't get involved.
To be specific, Guru shared the C2 prototypes including Super Sonic Bros a few years ago, despite ShouTime demanding they remain private until he could sell the boards. ShouTime even pretended to be SEGA and sent a fake C&D letter to force the MAME team to pull the prototypes out of MAME.

As a side note, dumping isn't handled by MAME directly and hasn't been for some time. That's the Dumping Union's job. Donations to MAME are to support the team, donations to the Dumping Union are for buying and dumping boards. If you ask a MAME dev the best way to get more stuff dumped with money but no skills, they will point you to the DU.

>>10600784
>It's why they have a bad reputation with other gaming and emulation groups.
Which groups? Last I checked, the only people with a grudge against the MAME team is the RA faggots. I'm gonna need a source for any group that isn't the RA fags. And almost everyone hates the RA fags for ignoring licenses and stealing code, so they can be safely ignored.

>>10601063
>Asian Preservation Groups and Western Groups (like Mame) have tried to cooperate in the past. The Western Groups just copied and took roms without even asking. It ended poorly.
Why do people like to pretend Guru is the entire Western Group? Because that was the source of conflict between MAME and the JP dumping group. Guru alone. Because Guru released the C2 prototypes despite ShouTime asking for them to remain private. ShouTime even pretended to be a lawyer from SEGA and sent a fake C&D to get the games pulled out of MAME. MAME complied, and blocked Guru from posting the code to the github.
MAME and the JP dumping group get along great now, MAME just doesn't let Guru get involved anymore. If you wanna post an essay, at least make sure your info is accurate.

>>10601752
>Mame hates RA for ignoring licenses and stealing code
Oh the irony.

Mame technically has no legal right to any of the arcade roms it runs.

The only reason Mame hasnt been successfully taken to court is because years ago they said it was in the name of preservation and not emulation. Then begged companies to leave them alone.

>>10601852
>Mame hates RA for ignoring licenses and stealing code
Funny because isn't that how most people use MAME?

>>10601752
>the RA fags for ignoring licenses and stealing code
Mame's own existence is on very shaky thin legal ground. They aren't really in a position to be questioning the legality of other emulators

>>10601852
>>10601879
Oh the bullshit. Look at all the companies that have paid MAME for a license to use MAME for some modern re-release of their arcade games. MAME is pretty much one of the few emulators on rock solid legal ground to the point where the actual IP holders of the games feel safe working with them. If they were questionable, AAA companies wouldn't do business with them. Period.
Still waiting on a source of all those non-RA emulation devs who hate the MAME team.

>>10601885
>MAME is pretty much one of the few emulators on rock solid legal ground
They are only somewhat tolerated by some companies and not necessary approved of. Sony themselves do not like Mame at all.

>>10601893
And that makes them illegal because...? Nintendo hates emulators too, they can't stop Dolphin from existing. RA has literally violated the legal licenses of the code they took from other people, and sold non-commercial licensed code. Trying to pretend that's on par with a few devs not liking the existence of emulators is retarded.

>>10601621
This post is 100% accurate. Most people in the dumping community do not have the people skills required to convince collectors to help dump their roms. Most of the people involved in rom dumping or emulation development barely even leave their homes to interact with other people. Talking with normie collectors and developing a positive rapport is way beyond most of their skills.

>>10601897
Mame uses roms taken from stolen arcade boards. It's best that Mame keep their heads down and stop drawing attention to themselves with arguing with other emulator developers.

>>10601903
If only the RA-fags stopped themselves doing their shit, after all they are a threat to standalone emulators and got their problems with some people, like the Duckstation guy. All this discussion reeks of RA propaganda, or outright ignorance and stubbornness.

>>10600694
>bullshit with CHD
Go to http://adb.arcadeitalia.net/
use the search, in additional options select Emulation: working, and check Use CHD
This will show you stuff you can actually play. The CHDs that work are the smaller ones, the huge ones are laserdiscs, most of which don't work in Mame. Don't get those unless you're the supremo autist who can actually make use of them.

>>10601901
I only know of two dumpers, both of which supply for No-Intro, and they are chill as fuck. The issue is rarely the dumpers, it's the people who want to use the dumps. The crazy autismo's who will harass some hoarder because "YOU ARE HOARDING HISTORY!" The dumpers know the game, they've been playing it for ages. They know not to push, to keep stuff private until given permission to release, etc. It's the people who know nothing except X person has the only copy of Y game, who think they are helping matters by hounding the target until they agree to let the game be dumped. Keyboard warriors with no money or other investment in it besides "I WANT IT NOW!"

>>10601903
Which stolen boards? If you are claiming Akka Arhh as stolen, that's already been proven to be a BS story.
>stop drawing attention to themselves with arguing with other emulator developers.
Quit pretending the RA hacks are a part of the scene and not the black sheep everyone else hates.

>>10601927
>Just get 194 zips out of the torrent with nearly 1000 zips, none of which are in plain english Don't forget to repeat the process once the emulator updates next month!
Yeah, easy as pie thanks anon.

>>10601934
>getting the 94 clones
>getting every Big Buck Hunter and working LD game
>doesn't even bother to click on the games on the database to see what the shortname for them are
>thinks CHD's get a bunch of changes like the romset does
This is a bit like watching someone a mere 10 minute walk from his destination, sitting on the ground screaming about how impossible it is to get there.
>Dude, it's right there
>BUT IT'S SO FAR AWAY
>Come on man, kids make that trip all the time
>WHY DOES THIS HAVE TO BE SO HARD?!

>>10601945
The way I understood it, you download everything every month or it won't work. You're giving me new information.

>getting the 94 clones
>getting every Big Buck Hunter and working LD game
Yeah because why the fuck not? Just get it all and be done with it. Same reason my HDD is full of bullshit licensed kid's games and various versions of Madden.

>doesn't even bother to click on the games on the database to see what the shortname for them are
But you know what? Let's say I only go for the 100 working ones, So first off, I have to go to this obscure site, know how to search for which CHD games work, then I have to painstakingly compare the games on that page with the torrent I got from another obscure, slow site and I have to ONE BY ONE compare file names like some kind of fucking desk jockey at his 9-5 and then finally I'll be done. Are you fucking hearing yourself? What other emulation works like this? How deep into this are you? That's at least half an hour of tedious bullshit. I don't even know where to put the files if I had them. 10 minute walk indeed.

>>10601960
>So first off, I have to go to this obscure site, know how to search for which CHD games work, then I have to painstakingly compare the games on that page with the torrent I got from another obscure, slow site and I have to ONE BY ONE compare file names like some kind of fucking desk jockey at his 9-5 and then finally I'll be done. Are you fucking hearing yourself? What other emulation works like this? How deep into this are you?

I'm glad someone finally pointed this out. Coming from other modern emulators, I was perturbed at how strange Mame operates.

>>10601928
>If you are claiming Akka Arhh as stolen, that's already been proven to be a BS story
Where did Mame get a copy of that rom?

>>10602127
You aren't supposed to notice that!!

How the fuck do updates break compatibility anyway? Aren't the updates to the emulators meant to make them MORE accurate?

>>10602365
Something something Mame only works with specific rom versions something something learn to use it something something it's way better than other emulators something something accuracy is better than games being playable something something.

>>10602365
>How the fuck do updates break compatibility anyway?
Nothing breaks, comparability is the same and the game still works.

>Aren't the updates to the emulators meant to make them MORE accurate?
This is exactly why the ROM changes, because the accuracy of the driver has improved.

>>10602439
>This is exactly why the ROM changes, because the accuracy of the driver has improved.
Why does the Rom need to change? It's the same game. It doesn't change. No other emulator operates like this.

>>10602472
Sometimes, they have a better dump.

>>10602472
>No other emulator operates like this.
That’s because each game isn’t a completely different piece of hardware on console emulators. A MAME ROM file contains chip information too, so if that the emulation for that chip improves, the ROM changes. All this stuff is explained in detail on MAME’s website.

>>10595404
>how do i use this shit
right click
control panel+
add remove programs
u n i n s t a l l

>>10601960
>>10602124
Yes, because literally EVERYONE ELSE who has bothered to do so doesn't view it to be all that much work for the end result. Again, we go back to:
>>10599214
Literally every single person who has bothered to make a working-only CHD set for others has eventually stopped maintaining it since they ask themselves "This isn't that hard, so why am I putting in all this effort for lazy cunts?"

>>10602127
From the hoarder. Can't you read?

>>10602365
You can't emulate a file you don't have.

>>10602683
Because that's how every other piracy circle and emulation dev team do things. They make things easy. That way only one person or a small group of people need to track which chds work and everyone else only needs to download it. I maintain a few things for the good of others, why is mame so special it won't do that?

>>10602925
>Because that's how every other piracy circle and emulation dev team do things.
What? No-intro and Redump sets have roms that can't function properly with emulators, they don't separate them out. TOSEC, GoodTools, TDC, all full of stuff that may or may not work under any given emulator. And that's known good dumps, not counting all the overdumps and bad dumps they also supply. The only project I can think of that even bothers to test under a specific setup is eXo.
Who are all these other groups that separate out the non-working stuff?
>I maintain a few things for the good of others, why is mame so special it won't do that?
Because arcade repairs depend on MAME having the files needed to repair a board with bad ROMs. Just because you can't use that CHD doesn't mean it can't be used by others.

>>10603020
In those scenarios you're looking at maybe an extra 100-400mb, not a terabyte. Not worth separating.

>Just because you can't use that CHD doesn't mean it can't be used by others.
I'm not saying to stop updating the chd files, I'm saying to make a new set called something like "downloadthisformame.zip" and you just drop that in and every game works without the extra TB of shit that won't. If this was some tendie emulator that'd already exist by now but no, it's gotta be this elitist bullshit.

>>10603037
Again, see:
>>10599214
It's been done multiple times. It always gets abandoned and becomes out of date. Don't let me discourage you from doing it, but if you don't maintain it every month then you'll just be making another out of date working set.

>>10603037
>In those scenarios you're looking at maybe an extra 100-400mb, not a terabyte. Not worth separating.
Anon, Redump set for PS2 is full of 1-22GB ISOs. Part 1 of the A's on the IA is 268GB's alone. Take a wild guess how large the PS3 set is.

>>10603074
Think the difference there is PS2 and PS3 games aren't really downloaded by the set, they're downloaded per-game since each game is pretty substantial in terms of time investment. MAME is downloaded almost solely in sets

>>10603083
You have the option of downloading full sets or individual games out of both. What are you trying to say?

>>10603089
I'm trying to say maybe mame is more obscure and less discussed because the bar to entry is so different and there a gorrillion things to keep track of, meanwhile playing a gamecube or ps2 game requires an iso and an emulator that looks and acts like it's from this century.

>>10603092
>mame
>obscure
No, jconfig or technoparrot is obscure. MAME is goddamn everywhere, on everything from DOS onwards, even getting ported to consoles and handhelds. It's well known by people with the slightest interest in emulating arcade games, arcade game developers, and the head of eXa-Arcadia is ShouTime, a former MAME dump supplier. Pick your average romsite, you are more likely to find a MAME romset than Jag CD or the Amiga CD32.
>comparing games that came on CD's/DVD's to games that came on multiple ROMs, plus whatever else was involved in that specific machine
If you can't figure out why an emulator that emulates thousands of different machines with differing media and requirements can't function like an emulator that only emulates a single machine that only used DVD's, then you are the person the toddler-gate was designed to keep out.

>>10595404
Search the punisher rom mame

>>10602686
>From the hoarder. Can't you read?
So you admit it's illegal then. Got it.

>>10603553
The funny part is that the Mame team can't explain how the rom ended up in their hands. All they can say is that the only known person who had a working board was the collector who said his arcade board was copied without consent. Thus Mame is using illegally acquired files.

>>10603613
His consent wouldn't make copying and then sharing copyrighted software legal. Do hoarders think they own the IP

>>10603838
The argument here...is how did the Dumpers Union legally acquire the Rom *if* they do not own the arcade cabinets or the boards?

This isn't a situation where "thousands of arcade machines" were mass produced, and the Dumpers Union can claim they used one of those. Only 3 prototype machines of this game were ever made. All three machines have been accounted for and are located in specific collections. All 3 owners have denied allowing the rom to be copied (they did not donate it for preservation purposes).

So I ask again, HOW did the Dumper's Union legally acquire the rom *if* they do not own the cabinet or boards?

>>10603863

>>10603863
>All 3 owners have denied allowing the rom to be copied (they did not donate it for preservation purposes).
I'm not sure if I find it hilarious or sad that you think some hoarder actually had some people working on his machines without supervision for the hours it would take to locate all needed ROMs and dump them without him knowing. Maybe you should go back to your "MAME team are jerks!" complaint, it's a bit more believable.

>>10603863
>>10603838
Even if emulation is questionable I terms of legalness, the person still broke other laws in order to gain access to those rom files.

A lot of the complaints stem from Mame's user interface which feels like it's from Windows 95. A simple UI update could fix that, but it's clear it's not one of their priorities.

Also the strange way it handles roms could be vastly improved. Rom dumps hardly ever change. There needs to be a cleaner and more elegant way of handling and loading roms.

>>10603863
>go to movie theater
>wander into projection room
>walk out with a film reel
>this is physical theft from the whoever owned the reel
>they have a right to be pissed

>go to movie theater
>make a camrip of a movie
>this is IP theft
>the "crime" is against the IP owner
>nothing to do with the movie theater
>no matter how much they cry about it

>>10604694
>There needs to be a cleaner and more elegant way of handling and loading roms.
I'd like to hear your ideas for how it could be. Because every alternative I've come up with has had problems of it's own.
Let's say we go the iNES route and have a text file tag in every .zip file to tell MAME what it is instead of using the internal database, so MAME can load anything even if it will cause it to crash out horribly. The moment it goes into effect, every single rom from every romset prior suddenly becomes non-functional. Which leaves people with the choice of auditing their entire collection and fixing every single .zip, or re-downloading the entire set. Then you'll have an endless flood of people online asking why the rom they downloaded won't work even though it was only 1-2 versions off. Not to mention people complaining about their entire romset being invalidated by a single update. There's already a large group of people downloading 15 year old roms and complaining they won't work with the most recent release, this only compounds that issue.
Then there's the 86box route. Could have users pick out what hardware they want to use for the rom they pick. This of course would require anyone wanting to play a game to know exactly what hardware that game used, down to the sub-revision of the PCB. I couldn't even tell you the developer of half the arcade games I play since I just mash the coin-in button and play. There's already people complaining MAME is too complex, this would only make things worse in that regard.

>>10604330
Sharing rom files isn't really questionable, it's illegal. You can only dump your own and emulate them legally

>getting angry at the CHuD files
Stop being retarded, mame is reasonable about CHDs. Last time I used an out of date CHD it just gave a warning message and continued to run the game.

>>10605626
It's also called unauthorized access and trespassing. The tech who stole the game data broke actual laws (not IP laws) to gain access to the game board. The owner of the home only granted the tech verbal access to fix one single arcade machine in a specific part of his home.

If you invite a plumber to fix your leaky sink in your kitchen, he doesn't suddenly have the right to go into your daughter's room and start going through her underwear drawer. He was only given access to the kitchen.

>>10605781
>Sharing rom files isn't really questionable, it's illegal. You can only dump your own and emulate them legally

Which is why the technician who copied the rom files without permission broke the law. Not IP infringement.

The courts have said that only the actual owner of the arcade cabinet has the right to operate the game board, and only the owner has a right to make back up copies.

Arcade cabinets are unique in the fact that owners paid upwards of tens of thousands of dollars to buy them. Sometimes even more. The manufacturer of the game granted arcade cabinet owners an exclusive license to own and operate the machine as long they do not distribute copies of the game.


Any anon who tries to argue that the technician (who acquired the the rom files) didnt break the law, is very stupid. The guy broke the law on many different levels.

Morally you might like what the texh did. But legally, he broke the law. There no way around that. And Mame uses illegally acquired roms since all. The 3 owners of prototype arcade machines have said they did not make a backup copy. So it was done illegally.

>>10606310
If the hoarder's claim of the game being stolen is true, why hasn't he NAMED the tech he hired who "stole" the roms? Wouldn't other hoarders want to be warned about not to trust this tech? Gee, it's almost like the story is bullshit to keep the hoarder from getting blacklisted by other hoarders.

>>10606330

>Wouldn't other hoarders want to be warned about not to trust this tech?
Maybe he already has warned them. Have you considered that? And now that tech lost several big customers.

>>10606345
Just to confirm. You believe:
>Some hoarder who has spent tens of thousands on rare and unique arcade machines hires a tech to repair one of them, and leaves the tech completely unsupervised
>Not just completely unsupervised, but unsupervised for as long as it takes to:
>do the repair he was hired to do
>open up another arcade cabinet
>completely document which chips are present on the PCB
>how they are connected
>hook up a chip reader one pin at a time on every single chip needing to be dumped(since desoldering the chips out would possibly damage the unique PCB)
>do multiple dumps to make sure the dumps are correct and not just glitched reads
>pack everything away and close the other machine back up
>and the hoarder didn't know any of this stuff happened until later on when suddenly the ROMs popped up online
Over:
>hoarder strikes deal to dump game
>tells dumpers "remember, you didn't get this from me"
>pockets cash, swears ROMs were totally stolen
Are you sure you wanna buy a story even gaming journalists have called BS on?

>>10606372
It could be as simple as leaving the arcade technician unsupervised for an hour while the collector does something else.

>>10606372
>>completely document which chips are present on the PCB
>>how they are connected

Atari used standardized arcade boards for multiple games. The boards are already documented. We know what they look like (Just like how Sega, Namco, etc used the same board for multiple arcade games). What mattered was gaining access to the rom chips that held the rare game data.

>>10606437
>an hour
19 chips had to be ID'd, dumped, redumped to be sure it was a good dump. Not just desoldering them and putting them in the socket either, making pin connections one at a time. For 19 chips. Even if the dumper didn't get a single bad dump requiring yet another dump and redump of a chip, the dumping alone could have taken 2-3 hours. That's if it was a single technician as the hoarder claims. That doesn't even count all the time needed to document the rest of the PCB well enough that the MAME devs could actually make working emulation out of it.

>>10606514
If that was the case, Marble Madness 2 would use one of the standard Atari drivers. Instead it has it's own special snowflake driver. Could you at least educate yourself about the issue you want to complain about?

>>10606521
>>10606372
I do my own board repair. It's clear you don't know what you are talking about. You are either a tourist or just reposting something you read elsewhere.

Dumping a single rom takes seconds. SECONDS. A ROM reader and/or programmer is standard equipment for arcade repair techicians. The ROM chips are often socketed. Even "soldered - in" ROMs can often be dumped with a test clip. No need to do anything you said. That's why I know your post is utter nonsense. Even for a whole slew of socketed chips, the owner could have literally just left the tech unattended for several minutes as he went to the restroom, and the tech could have easily dumped while the owner took a dump.

Case closed.

>>10606570
No anon! You aren't supposed to tell him that! Let him continue rambling and feel like dumping roms is very hard work. It's hilarious to read.

>>10606570
/thread


It's rare to see great comebacks like this. I tip my hat to you.

>>10606570
Ok superstar. Post a video of you hooking up a reader to chips on PCB and doing a successful dump. I'll wait.

>>10606570
Yep if you have a test clip, reader, and the other right tools then it's a pretty trivial to thing do. Everyone saying it takes hours has no idea what they are talking people. Back in the day, arcade techs traveled to numerous locations in a single day. Spending many hours at a single location was unthinkable. They had a route to complete. That means working quickly to identify problems with the board, issues with chips, to do repairs, or put in an order for replacement parts. No actual experienced arcade tech who knew what they were doing actually sat there manually desoldering and dumping 19 individual rom on a single board for hours. These mame jokers in this thread make me laugh. They literally out themselves as amateurs everytime they try to explain technical details.

>>10606983
No arcade tech back then would have any reason to manually attempt to dump a chip. They would let the self-test run, then order replacements depending on which chips were reported bad. The only manual work they would ever have to do is taking a multimeter to the board to check for bad logic IC's or a pin somewhere stuck open/closed.
Why are you pretending techs back in the day would have any reason to dump or program their own ROMs?

>>10598128
The goal for MAME isn't really to have perfectly playable games, its to have perfectly accurate emulation

The thing is, perfectly accurate usually also means that the emulation is very complex, which makes it very hard and slow to actually achieve,

Its way easier to make a cube appear on screen than to perfectly emulate the 3D chip on a SEGA Naomi to render a cube on screen, even if in the end they end up showing the exact same thing,

If you're going for playability, you probably would go for the first option, not the second, but MAME is really trying to do the second

Took 30 years to get here, will take 30 more to get somewhere else, but I think we'll get there eventually

Also its open source, so if you're really mad about it go make your own "MAME but good", there have been people before that got annoyed at MAME and thats what they usually do,

That and bitch on 4chan

>>10606570

If the Mame developers are literally desoldering chips to read the data, then they are doing it completely wrong. You order an IC Test clip, mount it ontop of the rom, connect it to your equipment, and dump that data that way. The only thing you need to worry about is making sure you have the right package size. Reading stories of people manually removing chips from the board one by one is so bizzarre and backwards sounding.

>>10607035
The post he's responding to specifically says they weren't desoldering the chips. I dunno why he keeps bringing it up as though they were.

>>10606997
>The only manual work they would ever have to do is...
Nope. Stopped reading there. You don't know what you are talking about. Stop larping.

>>10606372
>hook up a chip reader one pin at a time on every single chip needing to be dumped
You don't hook it up "one pin at time". You have no experience with this at all. Other anon already told you that there are much faster ways of doing it. You were lucky he even shared that with you. Judging by your response of you taking hours to write a weak reply accusing him of saying testing reader clips don't exist. What a joke.

>>10607025
>The goal for MAME isn't really to have perfectly playable games, its to have perfectly accurate emulation
That's not what original creator of MAME has stated in interviews. The goal was to get playable arcade games on computers for people to play. That was the focus. The current MAME developers have strayed from that path.

>>10607047
>Judging by your response of you taking hours to write a weak reply accusing him of saying testing reader clips don't exist.
Lol, I went to watch a hockey game. You really are desperate if you think someone not being here constantly is a sign of a win.

>>10606570
Still waiting on video proof of your expert skills.

>>10606570
Lmao. Wrecked him.

>>10606945
You've lost bruv. Take the L and move on

FBN mogs mame so hard I use it exclusively now
>muh 3d arcade games

I just play the console ports or not at all if they don’t exist

>>10595458
room for one more?
>>call it MAME
>>no way to know what games are supported on each device

>>10601425
people dont usually spend silly money on shitty games just to let others play them for free (and reproduce 1:1 clones for cheap). im poor, so im on the "give me free shit" side, but i can see their issue

>>10601425
>Help me understand the POV of collectors
You don't understand collecting things? This is pretty fundamental.

>>10607340
>I can't prove my bullshit, so I win!
Top kek. Can you even post a picture of your programmer? I'd be genuinely surprised.

>>10606945

The whole argument you've been whining about for half the thread was the speed of how quickly an arcade technician can dump the roms.

You said the story about an arcade tech stealing roms was a lie because it's impossible to dump roms quickly.

You said here >>10606521
that it would take 2-3 hours minimum to dump the roms.

Not only is this is insanely inaccurate but it's also false.

You've been told three times - by my count - about the existence of test clip quick connectors which allow rom dumping at fast speeds.

Admit you were wrong.

There is nothing else to be said.

>>10607774
>they knew exactly which test clips to bring along
And you still can't post proof of your claim that you can ID a chip, hook it up, and dump it as fast as you claim. I'd trust the word of Guru, Smitdogg, Hiccup, or Arctic over the word of some random anon on /vr/ making claims with no proof. Because I'm inclined to believe actual dumpers who say it's a time consuming process over some random with no evidence.

>>10607783

Test clips come in various sizes and are very affordable.

It's not even worth mentioning that arcade techs carry numerous sizes with them.

how do you have fun playing arcade games when you have infinite coins/lives?

>>10606372
You don't test one pin at a time.

>>10606997
>They would let the self-test run, then order replacements depending on which chips were reported bad.
I shouldn't have to point out the obvious. If the board is damaged and won't work, then you need to manually check for repairs or if you can salvage any parts from it.

>>10595404
For retards-
Get retroarch
Get Roms
Run whatever retroarch will let you run
done

>>10607783
Stop trying to have a debate with other people when you don't even know the basics of working on arcade PCBs.

>>10607804
You get friends.

>>10595404
Bitch nobody uses raw MAME any more.

Holy fuck is this me watching blue chips on VHS right now?

>>10607829
I do, it works.

>>10595404
I'd use winkwaks desu. then get the roms from https://www.winkawaks.org/roms/

I gotta say that the rom dumping community is so weird and toxic. Calling collector's hoarders and stealing boards? Obsessing over dumping every game you can get and encouraging people to commit crimes to get roms? Come on...

I come from pinball, and the community is MASSIVELY nicer. We have pinball PCBs with roms TOO, but no one is going crazy to dump them like you people do about video games. Even with Uber rare pinball machines...no one act like what I've seen here. We are a very encouraging community with pinball.

>>10595404
>pleasuredome
https://pleasuredome.github.io/pleasuredome/mame/

>>10608167
If what that anon said is true
>>10601417
>They have extremely rare prototype arcade cabinets loaned/sold to them on the condition that the backup roms never be dumped publicly on the internet
there is no choice. It's war. They have a child behavior (no I don't want you to enjoy it in a different way than mine), you can't argue with a child. Pinball are for grown up, video games are for man children. That's all.

>>10608428
>>10608430
>>10608434
Where is the "CHDs that work.zip" though?

Is there a way to avoid the boring CD reading screen when you play any of all the 3 SF III games for the first time?

>>10608456
>there is no choice. It's war. They have a child behavior (no I don't want you to enjoy it in a different way than mine), you can't argue with a child. Pinball are for grown up, video games are for man children. That's all.

I don't understand why you are so angry and obsessed over these rare arcade games that Galloping Ghost and other arcades have. They main argument you and many others have people have been talking about is preservation. Well, Galloping Ghost has backed up the roms and they are safe. So you should be happy it's preserved and okay.

>>10609454
I'm happy they're preserved. Just it must be shared. Eventually it will be shared or it will be lost. The sooner it is shared the sooner we're sure it won't be lost. There is no arguments for not sharing except being childish.

>>10608461
What do you mean? All CHDs "work" for the game they contain data for. A full romset of CHDs is like a full TB or some shit so just download the ones you need for games you'll actually play.

>>10608860
You can hold the turbo button to speed it up, I think there's also separate clone versions in mame that remove the install too.

>>10609521
>Just it must be shared.
NTA but why? Preservation and openly sharing are two completely separate things.

I hope every single hoarder gets their shit stolen and the rom dumped, with them being mocked for the rest of their pathetic existence, and I mean that 120%.

You people are very strange.

I think many of you masking your greed for free video games under the disguise of preserving old games.

Just admit you want to play free games. At least be honest. That I at least understand.

No one cares this much about a failed prototype Atari game that was never popular with anyone.

>>10607804
You could set a limit for how many credits you will put into a session. Or spend freely and track how many credits it took you this time. Then next time you can aim to use less credits. Tracking your improvement is fun.
Or you could not worry about credit feeding at all and enjoy the other aspects of the game.

>>10609914
>I hope every single hoarder gets their shit stolen and the rom dumped, with them being mocked for the rest of their pathetic existence, and I mean that 120%.
I'm rolling my fucking eyes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY

>>10601425
I don't personally care what rarities get dumped as they usually aren't interesting, but some of these preservationist types like to act invincible. They don't seem to understand the concept that something isn't properly preserved unless it has multiple back-up locations maintained by more than 2 random nobodies. When their fire hazard of collectibles goes up in flames or they die in a car crash, their shit is just going to get trashed by the rest of the family that doesn't care.
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/29/1088680989/a-retro-computer-museum-in-mariupol-beloved-by-children-was-attacked-by-russia

>>10595404
Most roms for the arcade emulation are incomplette, you will encounter often missing files in the zip. WoWroms has a somewhat complette set but ever so often you will have to deal with incomplette roms. For example 19xx is missing two files, unplayable.

The next thing is, you have to deal with a lot of different arcade machines, even so mame (or FBneo) is an emulation of arcade games, there is still a difference between them. First you get 2d and 3d, or sega and cave,... shit goes on and they all have their own problems. A lot of cave games are unplayble (if not all) on FBneo, or 3d games like mario kart arcade can't be played at all.
Sometimes you have to switch complettly to a different emulator, like dolphin to get the nintendo arcade games running.

its convoluded as fuck and the only luck you have is with a complette mame set from someone else who cleaned it up.

>>10610323
>museum gets blown up in war zone
That's a pretty terrible example anon. Most digital preservationists store copies in multiple locations, but if your entire country is engulfed in a war then its not going to matter.

You think cloud storage or data files are going to survive a missile strike or sustained bombing campaign or even a nuke going off? Everything turns to rubble in the end.

>>10609897
>Preservation and openly sharing are two completely separate things.
Yes, but intellectual property is a theft against humans.

>>10611035
Then you should be yelling at the actual game companies to release their roms and source code from their vaults for preservation purposes. Not trying to bully random people online and calling them names.

>>10609914
HELL FUCKING YES!

>>10611074
I am. I accept a period of 5 years before considering a game is public domain.

>>10607818
that doesn't explain shit. where do you get working roms?

>>10605725
simple. give mame an override button to force-run roms that don't quite match the internal database. the mamedevs wouldn't want this, but a fork could implement it.

>>10611098
torrent

>>10595404
>how does thing work?
google
>tutorial where?
youtube

you're welcome. "digital natives", my ass.

>>10595404
Just use RetroArch. Its front-end is shit, but at least it makes more sense running things.

>>10611364
>digital natives
only in the sense that they constrain themselves to digital gulags

>>10611367
Here are the steps to getting the software collection running in RA.

https://docs.libretro.com/guides/softwarelist-getting-started/

You're better off just using the individual emulators for the software set from what I can tell.XT8WT

I haven't used Mame in YEARS. I use Retroarch for everything instead. Combines everything and I don't need to worry about all the little nonsense Mame does. Retroarch handles it all for me.

>>10612701
>Retroarch handles it all for me.
Teach me your ways. I've had nothing but trouble getting the software set to run on RA.

>>10612701
Retroarch sucks at handling Mame games. You can't barely configure the inputs. Retroarch input model is limited. They have to change it.

Anyone know where I can find a version of beast busters second nightmare that'll work with the current version of mame?

>>10596320
>>10596223
>Pleasuredome

that site still exists? I thought it went under like a decade ago.
I just use archive.org to get full sets nowadays.

>>10598975
>So even if you compile your own MAME to enable the Model 2 emulation, it will run about 5-10FPS at best.

Virtua Fighter 2 runs at 60fps on mame right now, it just needs the video output fixed and there's an occasional bug where the sound locks up.

>>10610429
>cant play cave on FBNeo

U wot, it even plays CV1000 games

>>10595404
>MAME
REEEEEEeEeEEEEEEeeeEEEEeeeeeeeee!!

>>10611035
imagine thinking like this kek
what is the incentive to create then?
i give you a hint, in the real world we work for MONEY

>>10613079
>what is the incentive to create then?
Ask that to the famous scientists.

>>10613201
They were were all paid for their work. Almost all were researching at Universities or researching for the government. They didn't do it for free.

>>10613239
You should open a book about famous scientists. It's not that simple. Was Galois paid to bring a revolutionary theory? What was his incentive? Was he alone in history?

But you're right on one point, everybody needs an income to live.

>>10613978
>Was Galois paid to bring a revolutionary theory? What was his incentive? Was he alone in history?

Galois was born into a wealthy family and never had to worry about money. His father was a Mayor of a city and his Mother was a lawyer. His father had deep political connections too. Galois went to University with it being fully paid for and never had to worry about how to pay for tuition. It was all taken care of.

He's like the modern of equivalent of rich college kids who LARP and pretend to be poor (where cheap clothes and eat with the plebs). They talk about politics and "changing the system"...while simultaneously hiding the fact they are rich. But when anything goes wrong, they make one call to mommy and daddy who will bail them out of trouble. They have a safety net.

>>10614305
Deliberately ignoring my argument.

>>10614364
No anon. You are ignoring the main argument and trying to shift to something else. We are talking about incentives.

Most Scientists make discoveries when they are paid and/or have the luxury or not worrying about paying for daily life. That's their incentive. Money. Many famous scientists in the last few hundred years made their discoveries while being paid to work for a university or government.

>>10607829
>Bitch nobody uses raw MAME any more.
Even boomers 20 years ago weren't using raw MAME, they used Mame32 (now MameUI)

>>10614732
You either use Retroarch or a front-end. No one uses Mame directly. It's too primitive and old.

aaaaaaaa

>>10595404
>MAME
bwahahahahahHASHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

>>10614859
MAME should have stayed separate from MESS.

>>10614913
the mame devs should be hit with a major lawsuit
stop all development
financial ruin


THEN i will allow them to start completely over from scratch
but only if they follow windows GUi standards instead of being massive faggots

>>10614470
Despite "piracy" games are produced. So?

OP here before thread dies.
MAME is a pain, the arcade set is easy enough to run be it by itself, in RA or Launchbox but the software set really only seems to work decently in Launchbox and I love Launchbox but its features are ass compared to RA.

Fuck MAME. What a pain in the ass.

Use FBNeo via retroarch, works like a charm and is optimized for actually making shit playable. Plus, a complete romset is well below 20GB because it doesn't contain thousands of slotmachine clones.

For the handful of notable games it doesn't support (like Konami GX), just use the current MAME built and download them individually, it ain't rocket science.

Not OP, but lunchbox is a really nice frontend. A little bloated, but works really fine. Maybe I'll use it to organize my porn games too. But FBNeo on RA still better for SNK games if you want to use unibios.

Thanks for the tip.

>>10597397
Capcom CPS3 and Taito G-Net are the only ones I really mess with. Naomi support is bad in MAME, but you can use MAME CHDs with Flycast so I have these as well.

>>10614931
So you admit your original point is wrong. Good. Concession accepted.

>>10618125
Whatever floats your boat anon.

>>10618576
>spends half the thread arguing with everyone about dumping games and saying he has a right to all dumped games.
>shifts the topic everytime they get cornered
>WHateVer fLoAts ur BoAt

Sad

>>10595404
>USING MAME
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaHAHAHAHAH

>>10599197
The board emulation just loads when you load the rom, its not as bad as people make it out to be, grab a romset, bios, and chd, grab the same version of mame put roms/bios/chd in the proper places, open mame, open game, use tab to setup controls/screen, done. Retroarch is better though, especially on linux because it can easily put out the original 15khz/240p resolutions. Doing that with mame is a shit ton of work.

>>10620587
> put roms/bios/chd in the proper places
Which is??

>and chd
Huge pain to dig out the one game you need with the cryptic ass file names

>Retroarch is better though
True but no matter what I do, software set will not load. I've never been so filtered by end user software before.

>>10620607
>Which is??
rom folder, but chd games need a folder with the same name as the game rom inside the rom folder, roms\game\chd file, but most people aren't playing many chd games anyway, in retroarch did you go to scan directory and run a scan on your roms folder? Of course those have to be finalburn roms for arcade, or regular console roms

>>10620629
I mean unless you use the mame core, but why?

>>10620587
isn't that what groovymame is for? you're right in that you can do some arbitrary modeline shit in linux easily though.

>>10607804
I would say the best solution for an intermediate player would be to set a continue limit similar to arcade games on consoles. 3-4 and then you gameover. If you beat an arcade game on a dollar people wouldn't give you shit for credit feeding.

Retroarch and the MAME pack is all you need:
https://archive.org/details/collection-top-100-game-packs-collection-by-stirlitz

>>10622487
That list is garbage. Playstation games top list without Gran Turismo. Into the trash.

>>10622570
https://archive.org/download/retro-roms-best-set
this better?

You have two sane options
>1. find a ROM set with MAME bundled
>2. realize your error and go to 1.

>>10622592
Yes it's better. But in Mame it's the incorrect version of outrun, and vr is missing. That's not serious. So better but still into the trash.

>>10622487
>>10622592
I don't want someone's best of. I have a modern hard drive, just give me everything that works in MAME, every little thing pre-packaged. No bloat, no non-working games. Everything where it needs to be.

So in my mame romset I downloaded I have the alphabetical game list of folders and then a bunch of random naked files. anyone know what I might have done to fuck it up? I'm using the internet archive download manager.

What would be the best way to play newer CAVE SHMUPS?

Is there a SHMUP pack/MAME bundle out there?

>>10624348
You can use "mame -romident" to identify files.

>>10595957
FB does not support all the 2D arcade games MAME does, especially when it comes to golden age or more obscure shit. Don't even reply with your "I don't care about those" horse shit.

>>10625202
I don't care about those, I only use it to play SHMUPs

"baby can't figgur out emulator" threads are fucking sad. I bet Redditors are more competent these days. Ask your boyfriend.

>>10624720
>Out of 84242 files, 84178 matched, 64 did not
It seems 99% of my files matched but I can't hardly get a single game to launch.

>>10625945
You can use mame -verifyroms to verify roms. If you type "mame -verifyroms outrun" what does it say?