/vr/ - Retro Games

it managed to capture some of the late 90/early 00s Japanese coolness with games like Chu Chu Rocket, Crazy Taxi, and Jet Set Radio

>>10593959
It died before the 2000s started in earnest

not Rainbow Cotton

>>10593963
the "cool teenager" target audience kinda annoyed me. Saturn wasn't like that.

CSK dude on top of Sega wanted to effectively give Dreamcasts away for free to hook you on his online network infrastructure.

>>10594002
saturn sucked

they made good hardware and put games on it.

>>10593959
Sega Dreamcast finally brought the arcade experience home while being accessible.

Did sega lord X make this thread? Sega lost

>>10593959
?

>>10593959
>What went right?
everything, but it was too late as sega had already sabotaged themselves with quite literally every piece of hardware they released since the genesis

>>10593959
Nothing, they said "fuck this gay earth" and left

>>10593959
9/11 killed it

>>10594467
I was so mad at sega after the towers fell I went and bought a ps2

>>10593959
SEGA, it went right into the trash bin.

>>10594483
same. we will never forget.

>>10594002
yes it was.
sega jumped on the 'cool teenager' wagon in the early 90s and never let go.

>>10594754
In hindsight, that was a very strange marketing stunt for Propeller Arena.

>>10594372
>>10594372
shame arcades were dead as hell by 1999. in america, you went for fighting games and DDR. that was about it.

>>10595307
Is that ad real?
Fucking hell...

DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST DREAMCAST
just stfu already stop spamming threads

>>10595307
>sonic jam
not even a game

none of the flagship games were for cool teenagers. but i agree the megadrive kinda was like this, still less than the DC though

>>10595553
>none of the flagship games were for cool teenagers
and yet sega still tried to play to the hip young crowd

>>10595553
>none of the flagship games were for cool teenagers
Are you telling me that cool teenagers were looking for sailors in the port?

>>10595569
If you know what I mean ;)

>>10595569
i'm not saying all DC games where like this. shenmue was supposed to be a saturn game anyway. omicron was quite saturney too

genuinely, why did the DC flop in japan? was it just sony? seems like it was still more popular than the MD though

>>10593959
The alternative controller and emulators since you can use a different controller

Also that cop game was fun

>>10594096
Except the controller they messed up

Xbox original best controller

>>10594467
Could be

>>10595551
You WILL play the Dreamcast and you will play it NOW!!!!!!

The hardware was decent to good in the aspects which mattered, and the games it had were not bad. Sega really did a good console that time, like with the Genesis, and people liked it while it was supported. It's a shame their finances were completely fucked and they had to throw in the towel.

If Sega had more money, they could have rode out 6th gen and the Dreamcast would have ended up with a pretty full fledged library with a lot of good hits, which could have stood pretty well against the PS2, might even have dwarfed Gamecube, and XBox might not even have existed with DC still in the picture. Likely there would have been hardware revisions with a quieter CD drive at some point too.

>>10593963
That too, it's a nice little slice of popculture of that time and place.

>>10595307
The aesthetics of marketing in the very late 90s and the early 2000s was fun. That one makes me think of some Nintendo and Sony ads of that period.

>>10596108
It was discontinued a few months before then, both very sad

>>10594002
>Saturn wasn't like that.
Saturn advertisement was so fucked up that most people didn't even knew the machine existed, they thought Sega went from Genesis to Dreamcast.

>>10594467
DC was discontinued in March though

>>10594002
The Saturn's audience wasn't anyone bro

>>10597012
This is the only part I can agree with

It has good aesthetics but the games were kinda lacking other than a few like Blitz, some racing, arcade style games. And that controller wasn't that good either.

They made the system look nice though

>>10598678
The games weren't bad, but it never got past its early period. Imagine if the Playstation or Playstation 2 only had the games from like it's first year or so, SO many great titles would be gone.

The Dreamcast had the right potential, and Sega was handling it properly, but they just couldn't afford going all the way.

>>10595541
The piercings are sonics rings

>>10593959
128 bits, 100 000 polygons, and internet connectivity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blwnBtjIU1Q

>>10600164
>128 bits
>address space: 32 bits
This is why the Dreamcast deserved to die.

>>10600229
Lmao did it actually only have a 32 bit bus, this can't be real

>>10602292
It had 16MB of RAM.
What do you think bus width is for?

The bit obsession was the dumbest meme of retro vidya.

>>10600164
*300 000 polygons. I guess Akimoto Yasushi sucks with numbers.

>>10593959
At least it wasn't a gay bitch nintendo64

>>10602336
Rude

>>10598678
the controller was good

>>10595568
This marketing campaign was weird. Did they REALLY think a bald lady with rings around her head would attract customers? Even a basic Sonic advert would have been better.

>>10604878
americans are retarded

>>10595912
>genuinely, why did the DC flop in japan? was it just sony? seems like it was still more popular than the MD though
DC wasn't a flop. It was only on the market for about 18 months. Based on sales data, it was projected to sell 25 to 30 million units over four years. Similar to Sega Genesis sales.

The big problem was that Sega was in a very bad financial position (before they made the Sega Dreamcast). Sega had spent way too much money on the failed Saturn. The failure of the Saturn put Sega in a very very bad spot. They were in deep debt.

Sega actually didn't have enough money to make the Dreamcast, and took out loans just to build it. But Sega was still broke. The loans weren't enough to cover everything.
Sega literally didn't have enough money to stay in business after 18 months. By the end they weren't even sure they could pay employee salaries, or keep the lights on in their buildings. It was THAT bad.

>>10594002
Fuck the Saturn

>>10597012
>Likely there would have been hardware revisions with a quieter CD drive at some point too.
>>10598678
>And that controller wasn't that good either.

Had the Dreamcast stayed on the market longer, Sega probably would have released a re-designed controller like they did with Genesis and Saturn. Probably with a more comfortable handle, and extra analog sticks for newer games that supported it.


>>10597124
>Saturn advertisement was so fucked up that most people didn't even knew the machine existed, they thought Sega went from Genesis to Dreamcast.

That's actually what I thought as a kid.

>>10604895
anon, you shouldnt do that

>>10604878
>Did they REALLY think a bald lady with rings around her head would attract customers?
WOULD
>Even a basic Sonic advert would have been better.
There was no Sonic games.

>>10600229
Dreamcast Specs:

-Main CPU: Hitachi SH-4
Operating frequency: 200 MHz

Features: RISC, 2-way Superscalar, parallel pipelining

Units: 128‑bit SIMD vector unit with graphic functions

Bus width: 128‑bit internal, 64‑bit external

Bandwidth: 3.2 GB/s internal, 1.6 GB/s external

-GPU: NEC‑VideoLogic PowerVR CLX2 @ 100 MHz (PowerVR2 series)

Includes:
-Super‑sample anti‑aliasing (up to 4× SSAA)
-full‑scene anti‑aliasing (FSAA)
-edge anti‑aliasing

Display Resolution: 320×240 to 800×608 pixels, interlaced and progressive scan, TV and VGA

Internal resolution: 320×240 to 1600×1200 pixels
Texture map resolutions: 8×8 to 2048×2048

- VRAM 8MB

- Main RAM: 16 MB

>>10604909
>Main RAM: 16 MB
So the address space (thus the console) is 32 bits. Thanks.

>>10604929
That's not how it works at all. And I'm not even the anon you are replying to.

>>10604979
That's exactly how it works.

>>10604929
The 128 bit marketing refers to the Dreamcast GPU. Get with it anon!

>>10593959
Even in the 90's, it was "what Saturn should've been", and I mean that in a good way. Finally an actual 3D Sonic game, better multiplats like Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, and just overall better quality in general. I really like the Saturn's style but when it comes down to the overall actual games, it's no contest

>>10594002
The Genesis was, though

>>10597124
>>Saturn advertisement was so fucked up that most people didn't even knew the machine existed, they thought Sega went from Genesis to Dreamcast
Considering how badly the Saturn failed and how much it put Sega in debt, then yes. Sega should have just skipped a console generation and waited. They unironically would have been in a better financial position with the Dreamcast and not in massive debt.

>>10605025
on the topic of multiplats, i noticed most 3rd party ones were ports of 5th gen games. though all the first party multiplats were all 6th gen, and no ports up from saturn.

>>10605032
They should have skipped the 32x and MegaCD instead.

>>10597012
I remember the Dreamcast being mind blowing when it first came out better than decent, I’ll never forget how impressive Sonic Adventure was running away from the whale and the station square hub world all seemed so immersive and then we saw stuff like Shenmue and it literally looked real at the time.
>>10595986
Yeah the original Xbox controller was so much like the Dreamcast controller it even had memory card ports in it which I always found interesting, I guess Xbox is kind of sort of like the descendant of Sega hardware

>>10600229
>>10604909
>>10604929
>>10604979
>>10604996
>>10605024
The 64-bit and 128-bit values refer to the data bus width. Those values are only useful in determining how many bits of data can be transferred in a single bus cycle and have no relation to the size of address space. Address space size is determined by address bus width. Nothing is technically stopping a device with 16MB of RAM from having 64-bit memory address bus width, it's just really suboptimal because the upper 32-bits will never be used but still occupy space inside the chips and on the PCB. This is why no such designs exist in practice. Dreamcast uses 32-bit numbers as addresses, but its address bus width is only 29 bits, the upper 3 bits are used as flags and not actual address values (https://dreamcast.wiki/Memory_map).). It doesn't really need more than that. In fact, 24 bits is enough to address the whole 16MB of RAM, but realistically you'd also want some addresses for memory-mapped devices, so those 5 additional bits will come in handy.

>>10605057
>better than decent
I meant of individual qualities. Like how the controller was not excellent, but passable, or how the CD drive was kinda loud.
Overall, it was a good console, and like >>10604891 said, it wasn't a flop, it would probably have continued to do well in the market if Sega hadn't already gone into the red from previous flops (the 32X and Saturn).

>>10597012
>a pretty full fledged library with a lot of good hits, which could have stood pretty well against the PS2

Pure cope. PS2's first year is better than majority of Dreamcast liberty.

>>10605034
Yeah, imo it's basically a 5th gen console

>>10605032
They could have just continued making SEGA CD and 32X games which already had a decent install base, Genesis was still alive and well into the mid-90's (literally when I got mine) instead of moving onto a completely different platform.

>>10605035
Let's say for argument's sake they did skip the add-ons.
>Sonic CD is released as a regular cartridge game, no FMV opening, no CD soundtrack, probably recycled Special Stages from Sonic 1
>Knuckles Chaotix gets released as 'Sonic Crackers' with no 3D Special Stages or scaling effects
>Popful Mail and Snatcher get basic cartridge ports with no CD audio or voice acting
>Virtua Racing Deluxe uses the standard SVP cart
>no Virtua Fighter 32X
>no Shadow Squadron
>no Tempo
>no Ecco CD
It would have undoubtedly affected the development of the Saturn, but not necessarily in a good way. Without any experience using CD's, they may have even ended up going the Nintendo route and sticking with cartridges

>>10605035
this

>>10602296
64 bit isn't just for accessing more RAM, it also means fewer operations will be needed for complex calculations, thus saving on cycles

>>10605596
>experience using CD's
My dude, CD is used for 3 things: More game data, Redbook audio, and FMV. It's not a complex technology that needs poring over like Jews with the Talmud.

>>10605595
Subjective, but you're still looking at a console which was only supported for a limited time.

>>10593959
clearly its thermal design.

>>10594002
yeah cos Saturn had no audience at all lol

>>10594754

>>10593959
>What went right?

1. Sega built an economical console that was both powerful, but also affordable for them to manufacture. They didn't just throw money at it like they did Saturn.

2. The internal design was streamlined. No more "dual CPU" nonsense.

3. GPU was first to have Anti-Aliasing resulting in very sharp and crisp video.

4. An actual Sonic game was made for this machine.

5. A real focus on game quality. Really great hits like Sonic, Power Stone, Read 2 Rumble, Crazy Taxi, amazing sports games, Marvel VS Capcom, arcade perfect ports, etc.

6. No silly add-ons like Sega CD or Sega 32x.

7. The online service for people to play multi-player

8. VMU had some cool features. For example in American football games, you could choose your plays on your controller screen. Your opponent can't peak anymore on split screen multi-player. It's all secret.

9. 4 controller ports to ensure maximum couch multi-player. Unlike PS2 which still only had 2 controller ports.

10. Amazing price at $199 retail

11. Optional Keyboard and mouse for first person shooter games.

12. Really cool Y2K anesthetic. And several cool collectible Dreamcast limited edition models.

>>10606563
I miss him like you wouldn't believe.

>>10593959
Great arcade ports. Simple as! It deserved to live a longer life.

>>10595320
House of the dead games and time crisis were also still hot. I grew up in the 2000s and have great memories of playing time crisis, the house of the dead games, marvel vs Capcom 1 and 2, mortal kombat, crazy taxi and the cruisn games in arcades.

>>10593959
Great games. I like that I was able to play DreamSNES during it's lifespan. I also loved the VMU.

>>10595551
No

>>10593959
It had blitz, heavy metal, cannon spike, the taxi game, dynamite cop, zombie revenge, runabout (thats already more than n64) and the controller/console looked good, but the ps2 still had the best controller and more games

>>10600229
Rude anime poster

>>10593959
Almost everything, what went wrong is that it lacked a DVD player, PS2 was too dominant and XBOX entered the market, also the Saturn and 32x did too much damage to SEGA, they had no real way to recover anymore, it was already over.

>>10593959
This looks like shit. Might as well be a microwave or a dishwasher. Does the back have some screenshots or game characters at least?

>>10608026
We need to go back.

>>10604897
didn't have the money to play it back then. to me, it's between a ps1 and ps2 so I would have played it a lot more if it had more to choose from and a different controller. The arcade ports were enough to get one later on

>>10594754

https://youtu.be/FAgrQn8m_XM?t=949

>>10593959
I wish they had made the internal battery swappable. I had to mod mine.

>>10611604

>>10615563
>It's real
Based Sega does what Nintendon't. Could've picked some better screenshots for the left side.