/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10590913
He is a crusader of sorts, a rogue crusader

>>10590913
No, he's actually a malfunctioning Reploid and acting upon the virus rewiring him. His backstory is largely lifted off Braiking Boss from Casshern, it's a machine malfunctioning.

>>10590923
I hate this explanation. It was much more enjoyable when it played to the more mature tone, where you were left to wonder if .aybe he had a point and it wasn't just "lol it's just viruses and shit"

>>10590913
he starts off like that, but around X3-X4 he just wants to destroy everything

>>10590998
Some believe that deep down he already was thinking that but had enough self control to not act on his own anti-human prejudices. Lumine in X8 thinks even if Sigma is malfunctioning, he still had a point.

Although not canon and full of mistakes in their written lore, X DiVE does show non-Maverick Sigma as a guy who in general was quite polite and professional in his speech and mannerisms.

>>10591020
Honestly by that point it's just the Virus skinwalking as Sigma (or assimilated his identity) seeking to propagate itself further. By MMX8, he's just pure virus barely holding some scrap together.

>>10590998
>>10591054
>>10591058
I kind of like this idea for Sigma. It makes him a sympathetic antagonist, even if you ultimately disagree with his original ideological goals. He's a radical with his heart in the right place that is slowly consumed by an increasing need for more and more violence due to a power beyond himself. I think the main issue is that the various writers of the X game seemed to want one category or the other and either think out or convey how to synthesize both the revolutionary and virus angles into a single character.

>>10591054
Considering what happened to Volt Kraken/Squid Addler, that is a realistic possibility.
Sigma probably felt on some level that Reploids were being held back by humans, then the virus took that, ran with it and degraded it until it was either "burn everything for reploids!" or "I must have X and Zero!".

>>10591742
This is the biggest issue with Mega Man X. X1 to X3 had like the right idea as they were handled by Inafune and Kaji. Sigma IS malfunctioning BUT in X1 with the exception of Storm Eagle who was cohersed into rebellion, all of the Hunters from the different Units willingly joined Sigma. X2 things dicey because Wily decided to step in himself out of pure pettiness and in X3, Dr. Doppler wanted to genuinely help the world but Wily's ire is everlasting and posessed him as he got infected.

Sigma genuinely was right to be mad that Reploids were second class citizens, many of them without even names and mass-produced but Wily also had to take advantage of that as the Virus' AI because he just can't fucking let go.

>>10591871
Dr. Cain's diary did mention Sigma's electronic brain was the most advanced, there was no chance he could go Maverick from hardware malfunctioning. But the government didn't find out that many Maverick cases were due to an ancient computer broadcasting a virus wirelessly until after the fact (and that's when they sent Gamma's Unit, accidentally woke up Zero and much violence happened)

>>10590913
Was he Lex Lupfer: Hyperion X?

>>10590998
It's a major plot point in X4 and X5 that Sigma was just infected by Zero's virus that Wily put him into Zero when making him.

>>10592394
It's actually backwards on that regard, Zero didn't had the virus, he got infected during the fight and because he was already, quote, "the baddest robot by design", the virus made a number on him, leading to the headache and screaming. That's when Sigma also got infected when he punched him and got infected.

I say this because it's so stupid and yet so in-character that Wily fucked up so hard programming Zero's brain in 8bits his "evil hex" looped from 255 back to 0 and he is a good guy BECAUSE he's malfunctioning while Sigma is evil for the same reason. Wily was always a worse programmer than Light, after all, but leagues above Light in hardware.

>>10592279
>X2 things dicey because Wily decided to step in himself out of pure pettines

Explain that.

>>10593581
I think anon's referring to how the Japanese version heavily implies that Serges is Wily in a robot body: he was the one responsible for rebuilding Zero, he says "Rock" while contacting X, implying he was actually saying "Rockman" and his last words are
>Defeated by Light’s memento robot again… how regretful…
Also, X2 'just so happens' to be the game where Sigma reveals that he knows that Zero was built by Wily.

>>10590923
How did I never notice the design similarity

there's stuff that exists explaining why sigma went maverick and a lot of it is in X5+, MMZ, and manga/comics. that's all well and good, and it has its fans. some of the manga looks interesting. my favorite concept from MMZ is copy x, but i'm not a fan of MMZ. or anything past X4.

personally, i think what's going on is, starting with x, reploids have free will. in x's case, he's a nice fellow. in sigma's case, he became a megalomaniac. there are no viruses causing reploids to go maverick. the bosses you fight in X4 are either part of the repliforce (frost walrus) or working for sigma (split mushroom). sigma going full m. bison is foreshadowed by this idea that dr. light was concerned x might not be a very nice person, hence the lengthy diagnostics.

the reason you're fighting members of the repliforce is because sigma orchestrated a situation where the maverick hunters became suspicious of the repliforce of causing a mass death incident. in turn, the repliforce refused to be investigated/interrogated by the repliforce due to being prideful soldiers, etc.. sigma knew they would be like this, and that's why he visits the general in the opening cutscene.

everything else, as far as i see it, is just a retcon. no viruses.

>>10594932
People have also pointed out Sigma and Bison share the same face.
Braiking Boss steps in once more.

>>10593581
>>10594246
Exactly, and to add to that, the book Rockman & Rockman X Dai Hyakka from the 90s also says that Serges had "the mind of the scientist of evil". No guessing who that is, I mean look at Serges face. It's just Wily. They were WAY more subtle with Isoc, with the only hints being his seiyuu being Dr. Wily and the Zero-exclusive cutscenes you can miss on your first X6 fun.

>>10595156
>there are no viruses causing reploids to go maverick
"The government discovered the source of the Repliroid outbreaks was an ancient computer broadcasting an unknown virus. A red repliroid acting violently was discoversed alongside the facility housing the ancient computer".
This shit predates X4, it's just a shame it was locked to Japan-only books with developer commentary and the OCW books in English do not contain much of what the old books stated, focusing more on the production side of things. There's a lot of shitty needing to be translated that has a lot of missing information, like X3 Chou Hyakka and X4 X to Z books.

There's also the development document they internally produced between Mega Man 5 and X1 in which the story of the virus and Zero's connection by Wily was already made that far back

>https://www.rockman-corner.com/2018/02/mega-man-x1-internal-design-document.html

If anything, the Zero series lift a hell of a lot more from the early Mega Man materials (the Energy Crisis was alluded as far back as Rockman 3's Famicom manual) becuase most of Inti Creates are ex-Capcom employees.

>>10595156
>everything else, as far as i see it, is just a retcon. no viruses.
I forgot to adress this. The wireframe enemies in X2 and X3 are actual forms of the Maverick Virus, from a human perspective X would've been just fighting the air and it is X3's plot twist, courtesy of Dr. Doppler himself, that Sigma isn't a reploid anymore, but that his "true identity is a virus".

>>10595194
Bison was based on Kyūsaku Shimada's portrayal of Yasunori Kato.

>>10595229
I stand corrected.

>from the people who saws casshern