/vr/ - Retro Games

God that's a horribly processed looking rip you've got there.

4chan’s /vr/, Reddit, & GameFAQs are the reasons CRT prices have skyrocketed since Covid (especially PVMs). So thank you for that, cock suckers.

I want to lick Keis sweaty armpits
>>10574161
>especially PVMs
good.
Shill PVMs more.
leave the good stuff for those in the know

hey jo
I just bought a small Fujitsu mini computer with low profile PCI-E slot to use for CRT gaymin.
Will this card be able to display native 15khz? - ie. below (I think) 9mhz pixel clock?

>>10574442
*to a SCART TV

>>10574149
Dirty Pair, fuck yeah!

Been tempted to get one just because of how ridiculous they look but then I look at the prices and don't care anymore

>>10574538
a crt? depending on where you live an how patient/proactive you are you can get one for free

>>10574149
it’s just a tv, man. this is a gsme board, not a show off your television set board

>>10574579
This guy gets it. I’ve been saying that shit for a while now.

>>10574442
>Will this card be able to display native 15khz?
Not yet, it should be capable of sending 15hz signal but not natively (only 31hz). Get CRTemudriver (look up a guide) to make it work and set up Super Resolutions with it and Retroarch. Also unless you are using a vga monitor you should get a VGA2Scart adapter (or component) to actually connect it to the crt

>>10574160
Why do people destroy the video quality to remove film grain? autism?

>>10574668
make sure you have the right AMD drivers before installing CRT emudriver or you'll have to recover through bios

>>10574160
>>10574669
Companies that think it's what people want. That's the official Japanese release they did on Blu Ray.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTSYYeIyLko
They also went and scrubbed out split second single frame easter eggs that referenced other anime that the studio didn't have the license to, in addition to recoloring any Red Cross

>>10574669
did they do this with timegal also?
they "remastered" it recently
but the screenshots i see online,
im a bit perturbed honestly
maybe ill stick to the ps1/sega cd

>>10574704
Stick to DVD.

>>10574668
I'm using linux, anon

>>10574668
I know how to make the software work. I got older cards to display 15khz natively just fine. Intel HD only works with superres
But I want to display native resoltions.

>>10574769
Pumb

Also can someone post the PS2 Modeline?

I'm asking since the RetroArch core and isn't very usable yet and hence I can't use SwitchRes.
But maybe it was just the Intel HD graphics I had been using before.

I guess without SwitchRes emulating this system on a CRT will be troublesome since it switches between interlaced and progressive on the fly.

I'm having a hard time finding a local listing for a small crt. I see plenty of gigantic ones but I don't have the space nor the muscle to move those up flights of stairs to bring it home. I just want a small one for some famicom gaming. Sucks.

>>10574149
How are the vodka prices in Germany right now?

>>10575334
>Also can someone post the PS2 Modeline?
Depends on the game, if you mean Playstation 2 , then most were 480i, but emulators can force 480p too or at least de-interlace 480i.
I think the standalone emulator is better than RA for now. If you want to use a super-resolution, you can always use stretch.

HDMI to Component converter that, for sure, outputs 480i??
Chink shit's all 720p / 1080i and that's all folks! People forget Component can output 720p and 1080i no problem, but if I feed that to a SD CRT it's useless.

Is this show any good or is it just tits

>>10575472
Watch it and find out.

>>10575409
What country are you in?

>>10575472
Where do you see tits?

>>10575472
I want to thoroughly enjoy licking Yuris feet and armpits, smelling her long hair and having her talk down to me while stepping on me.
The plot is good too

>>10575409
Get a 27" set and it's easy to move with the help of a friend. Anything smaller is poverty tier.

Back in the days of gaming magazines like egm, I used to always remember seeing ads for this one gaming monitor that had speakers built into doors that would fold over and cover the screen. I used to really want it as a kid. Just thought it was neat.

>>10575334
>Mahou Sensei Negima
Shit anime and somewhat good manga, but still based as fuck.

>>10575958
I remember that thing.

>>10576351
How do the magnets of the speakers not ruin the screen? I'm guessing there's enough separation

>>10576373
> I'm guessing there's enough separation
> I'm guessing
> guessing
Dude, look at that monstrosity, you can fit 2inch metal plates all around your magnets and still have a bunch of space for resonance.

>>10576373
> I'm guessing there's enough separation
> I'm guessing
> guessing
Dude, look at that monstrosity, you can fit 2inch metal plates all around your magnets and still have a bunch of space for resonance.

>>10575586
Near Seattle actually. Only been checking fb market so far though
>>10575847
I actually do have a big set but it's in the closet cause my damn apartment is too full of stuff right now for it
Once I downsize/my ex eventually moves out I'm sure I'll dig it out but I want a small one just to enjoy famicom.

>>10576351
Yeah that's the one. For some reason I thought that was the coolest shit.

>>10576373
Shielded speakers were a thing back then.

>>10574704
>They also went and scrubbed out split second single frame easter eggs that referenced other anime that the studio didn't have the license to, in addition to recoloring any Red Cross
I'm going to need some examples of these, what in the FUCK

>>10575423
>emulators can force 480p too or at least de-interlace 480i.
then we would be stuck playing at 30hz. That's not a very pleasant experience.
>I think the standalone emulator is better than RA for now
That's unfortunate. SwitchRes is really convenient. And those newer GPUs apparently don't have low enough Pxl clocks to go down to 240p/480i natively. So superres is needed.
Unfortunately I already pulled the trigger on that GPU and couldn't cancel the order
Let's hope it somehow has such a low pixel clock after all and I can display those resolutions. Though something like a low profile HD7450 wouldn't be more than 15€ and that should be able to handle those resolutions.
>If you want to use a super-resolution, you can always use stretch.
What do you mean? Doesn't using a super resolution make the desktop unusable?

>>10574442
>>10576960
The GPU I bought.

>>10574149
Hallo Tronritter how's the transition going?

In my European shithole, arcades have been dead for 20 years, so I don't even remember how arcade monitors looked like. What's the image like? since people played at close distance to the screen, how noticeable were the mask and scanlines? do they have a sharp or a softer looking image? How do they deal with dithered patterns? fill me in here.

>>10578783
See it for yourself. There's a bunch of other videos like this.
https://youtu.be/aUP8zRTJ8Yg?t=6m51s

Also dither and transparencies depended on game. Some still had it like VSAV. But obviously dither isn't going to look transparent because those monitors use RGB.

Still on this topic, is it just me or it's harder to sit up close to a 27" flat screen than a curved one? I feel like the flat screen one is a little harder to look act. Can't really explain why.

>>10574707
there was a timegal rerelease recently that i think is an upscale of an SD source

>>10579418
>upscale
Better off just watching the original SD source.

dont even bother getting a ps3 if you are a CRT enthusiast. the library of 4:3 games isnt good enough to justify it. i got one for 20 dollars at value village and i regret even taking the time to mod it.

>>10579521
I use ps3 as a media player for dvds or 4:3 tv shows and sometimes as a ps2.
>CHECHA01 phat ps3 chad

>>10576960
respond pls

>>10574161
get a job

>>10579726
fuck you

>>10578783
I saw arcade cabinets last year.
RGB input, and sharp and bright.
Closest match is a large consumer slotmask TV, since arcade monitors usually used normal TV tubes.
>how do they deal with dithering patterns
not at all really, being blurry was never seen as an advantage back in the day
are there arcade cabinets that use composite?
possibly, never seen one.

>>10574163
>leave the good stuff for those in the know
lol, zoom zoom

>>10575472
It stars two women. Of course it's shit.

>>10575435
>HDMI to Component converter that, for sure, outputs 480i??
afaik they all output 480i aslong as the input is 480i. i dont think any exist that will take 480p and output 480i though, ive bought a bunch of these things thinking theyll do that

do picture tubes in PAL sets have longer persistence phosphor compared to NTSC?

>>10579059
>>10579782
thx for the replies anons

>>10579805
PVMs are shit.
I am very glad reddit jumped on them and not actually good crts

>>10579521
i assume most people getting one for CRT use intend to use it as a media player, with 4:3 games as a side curiosity.
but are there any lists of 4:3 supported games?

>>10580109
>I have never seen one before and call every professional monitor a PVM
lol retard

>>10580109
why is 4chan the only website where morons will tell you to emulate using sharp pixels and then claim any crt that doesnt use composite is a meme?

Do digital displays (or scalers) need to buffer the full frame before displaying it? Or can they begin displaying from the top-down in segments as the frame is still being sent?

>>10575334
>I'm asking since the RetroArch core and isn't very usable yet and hence I can't use SwitchRes.
The PCSX2 libretro core hasn't been updated in 2 years and most likely won't be very usable anytime soon. Same goes for Dolphin.

Setting up standalone PCSX2 to work with a CRT can be a pain in the ass but it's doable.
I use 2560x448i@59.94. You'll have to set aspect ratio to "Fit to Window / Fulscreen" to make it stretch to that resolution.
As for deinterlacing, I just leave it at auto. If you turn off deinterlacing, some games will have weird shaky graphical artifacts. I have no idea why that happens.

>>10580294
if you dont live in a third world shithole literally every crt supports RGB.
No need for PVMs.
>>10580290
have seen and used all kinds.
im happy you reddit niggers are focusing on them

>>10580698
post crt

>>10580702
I own this small PVM for the styling but I use big consumer tubes.

simple as

>>10580718
>I own this small PVM
ahahahhahaha

>>10574669
>Why do people destroy the video quality to remove film grain? autism?
Film grain is not part of the original image. It's a by product of using film to take pictures of the cels. None of the original animator cels had grain.

>>10580812
whats so funny?
upset I didnt spend alot on a Trannytron PVM?
I have used a ton of 20 inch trinitron PVMs, they are not special

>>10575423
>>10576960
(You)

>>10580926
True, but a blurred, edge detected, "AI" upscaled smoothing filter isn't the original artwork either. I'd rather have the real artwork spoiled slightly by film grain than a computer hallucination of what it might have looked like in a slap dash world.

>>10582209
All old Blu-ray releases and modern 4K releases have grain removal applied by default. Except the grain removal filter isn't as harshly applied. Most fans don't even notice that grain has been slightly removed, and think they are getting a crisp and clear new release of an old movie or TV show.

>>10580926
Holy shit man do not work in restoration.

>>10580926
100% truth. Sometimes film grain is extra grainy because the anime or cartoon studio cheaped out and decided to use 16mm film instead of the standard 35mm film. Many anime studios are guilty of this because they wanted to cut costs. I collect anime cels, and it's surprising how clear and crisp they are compared to the anime they appeared in. Zero grain on the cel.

>>10580926
>>10582757
Film grain isnt but silver halide particles are
https://www.tmax100.com/photo/pdf/film.pdf

Silver halide particles range from 0.2 to 2 microns so they can be absurd resolution but unfortunately grain limits the available resolution

It doesnt matter whether 16mm or 35mm
Scrubbing out film grain destroys detail and sharpness
Only way to somehow bypass it and get silver halide sharpness would maybe be with AI

Film can be more grainy also due to other factors
>aging
>not stored properly
>material difference
etc.

>>10582798
>It doesnt matter whether 16mm or 35mm
It matters. Shooting with 16mm is much more grainy than 35mm. This has been well known for decades in the film production industry.

>>10579808
anon this isnt made by americans

>>10582840
>It matters. Shooting with 16mm is much more grainy than 35mm. This has been well known for decades in the film production industry.
>cheaper film
>adds more sovl
35mm i- ACK!

>>10580726
does the speccy have a monochrome output option?

>>10580002
>>10578783
looks good from here
however don't just run any piece of crap monitor pixel response time is gonna be a problem

for digdug its fine
for dodonpachi the screen rips

>>10579782

Yummy

>>10580726

Jurassic gaming

>>10582757
>Zero grain on the cel.
That's a given, but film is what it's photographed to, and that what historically became the final video element for it to be seen on. Removing film grain is only further tampering with the image beneath.

>>10583046
Naw, but it can only display 8 colors anyway. That's a monochrome monitor and not a real Spectrum, it's a ZX Omni 128HQ which outputs RGB. The actual 16/48k Spectrums are RF only.

>>10575435
I found one on amazon, it has a button to cycle through all output resolutions 480i works and it looks pretty good https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07VGWL5P1

corpse party via adrenaline on pstv >>10583189
>>10575435

>>10574161
Ask your local neighborhood on Facebook if they have a “old tv” or “old monitor” and show pictures of what you’re talking about. That’s how I got my vga monitor for free. You’ll never get a pvm/bvm without money now, the gold rush ended years ago.

>>10574161
prices are the same near me theyve been high since way before corona kek

>>10583162
how do you have it hooked up to the monitor? it seems like you have a checkerboard that could be eliminated with either an rgb to monochrome converter or something with luma separate, if you care to go that far

>>10583269
Just a cheap SCART to composite adapter. I normally use the PVMeme anyway.

>>10583196
>that VN
The most unforgettable horror porn game I've ever played. No other game had a bunch of elementary schoolers gangbang a teenage girl against a wall. And the teenage girl loved it. No other game I've played had a 17 year old bishonen guy drink a 14 year old girl's piss and chase her down the hall to rape her, only to wind up getting anally raped by a 32 year old fat man. I still remember the scene where a 16-17 girl was hiding under a bed as her same age best friend was having sex with that same 32 year old fat guy on top. She heard every moan, bed shake and sound. In the wrong end she was discovered under the bed by her friend and made to join. A most terrifying scene was when an unwilling girl relives another girl's sex memories. The girl in the memory consented but the reliving girl didn't. It didn't matter that she was mentally screaming, her body in the memory did all the motions and actions as in history. It's like mind control rape except the victim was fully aware. Another scene the same girl and a friend were almost raped in a magic sex ritual, saved by the girl's older sister, and the backlash made the older sister want to rape her younger sister and friend.

The loli in this pic is freakishly lewd and once disguised herself as a teenage girl, fucked a boy until he nearly came, transformed back saying
>You thought you were having sex with a highschooler weren't you? I'm an elementary schooler all along!
And leglocks that boy, forcing him to cum inside her unprotected, when he screams in fear upon learning this. This isn't even getting into the tentacles, the gay sex, the lesbian sex, the incest, the sequel's mother/daughter lesbian scene, etc. The first chapter alone contains lots of lesbian sex scenes with an unavoidable girl masturbating in the bathroom. Truly horror is intrinsically connected with sexuality.

Damn this downscaler looks really good all my problems are now solved kek, been looking for something like this for years
>>10583317
What I didn't think it was lewd sounds like larp. I will find out soon tho

>>10583317
Nonce.

How do I isolate speaker magnets so that I can place my CRT next to them without them affecting the picture with their powerful magnets? Please reply.

>>10583568
I would like to avoid taking out the magnet if I can help it. I don't know if that would affect sound quality.

>>10583568
just place the speakers farther away?

>>10583580
Kill yourself, retard.

>>10583329
what downscaler?

>>10583579
>remove magnets from speakers

>>10583593
angryfag
>>10583601
angry s.oyfag

>>10583604

>>10583593
>I want a solution
>no this solution is too easy and ovious, I want to modify my speakers how I modify my body

>>10583579
>>10583568
>>10583593
This has to be a troll, kek. I'm fucking dying

>>10583616
I realize reading is hard for a retard like you so just this once I'll help you out with your reading comprehension. The original inquiry was the following:
>How do I isolate speaker magnets so that I can place my CRT next to them without them affecting the picture with their powerful magnets?
Now here's the hard part. Notice the following:
>so that I can place my CRT next to them
This is a conditional statement, you probably just glazed over it your first time around since you're so poorly equipped to deal with these, but fret not, we'll get through this.
Now, what is being asked here is what is needed to achieve the hypothetical scenario in which the CRT is next to the speakers in which they don't affect picture quality.
The "solution" proposed of separating the CRT from the speakers is not only not a solution, but it is completely irrelevant. The "solution" is actually a negation of the problem and the question asked. Sadly this is a very common occurrence not just in 4chan, but the Internet in general. As far as theories go for why would people feel the need to reply with such diatribe, the easiest answer is they either didn't read the question properly or they didn't think before answering, most likely a combination of both.
Since this post is quite large of course I don't expect you to actually read it through. And considering the fact you're more than likely to answer to posts without reading them, I expect your reply to fall within the "too long, didn't read" type of posts that your kind uses to save face (unsuccessfully). The smartest move would be to simply not reply and just take the L.

>>10583652
You need to ground your flyback. It's a one time process, you'll be set afterward. Just take the anode cap off the back off your tv and simply tap the metal prongs. For best results you can lick it like a 9V battery.

>>10583684
Feeling better?

>>10583596
this one >>10583189

>>10583568
get some shielded speakers, first gen of gigaworks t20 the grey ones are shielded and sound pretty good

>>10583708
I've had a generally poor experience with computer speakers, but these look pretty good.
Since I kind of just gave up on them, I actually had no idea Creative was still making speakers. That's amazing.

>>10583652
ok thats crazy bro but the simplest and best answer is still to place the speakers farther away.
If you dont wanna do that you can try killing yourself or something i dont know

>>10583196
>>10583189
Corpse Party is cringe, but you like the Vita so you are still cool and I love you.

>>10583652
im not reading all that
vintage speakers are often shielded
good luck however, many times Manufacturers
label their speakers as shielded when they aren't

>>10583781
Vitatan cutest handheld, it sucks they didn't include a hdmi port just so they could sell the pstv. I really want to get a devkit for the hdmi but people who have them all hoard like 15 units so they're impossible to come by
>>10583769
Yeah their new ones aren't shielded though only the old ones, I bought several newer models and had to return them because no shielding. I just grabbed these on eBay used

>Buy a composite cable for my PSP
>I can actually SEE the horizontal lines now
So much sovl. This soothes my autism.

>>10584264
i only have component cables i got for free
do i need to purchase another cable anon? ....anon?

>>10584309
Depends on you. I also have a component cable for my PSP, but the colors looked "too bright" for my liking, and you didn't get the cool dithering you get from compressed image provided by composite (ie autistic stuff like Dracula's eyes). Text however, looks a lot sharper.
I don't know if it's the PSP's fault, but some games don't fill the entire screen. Tested with both cables and Threads of Fate has a black bar on the bottom. Tested on another TV and now it has black bars on 3 sides. I think the games are just not scaling properly, but it sucks that the PSP doesn't let you fix that.

>>10583702
>$80 in my country
Maybe someday...

>>10584364
im getting a new cord

>>10584418
It's worth it kek

What's a VGA-to-AV converter that won't fry my antique composite monitor?

Still poking my way through the Saturn version of SOTN with that new "Ultimate" patch. Think this is the most I've played the Saturn version, up till now I'd just boot it up to mess around with Maria mode then turn it off.

Does anyone know off hand how how high of a percent I can have before going to the inverted castle? Is it different on the Saturn version compared to the PSX?

>>10584569
i have one
its not the best
but for slower games its ok
awkward scaling though
its blue, has vga pass through
and some buttons on the side
hope that helps
whats weird is for some of my weird pandora pcb, i NEED that vga passthrough to keep a proper sync up as it goes black otherwise weird huh
didnt fry anything but most of my gear was cheap/free


if you want vga>av with no lag convert vga to scart/rgb first then to s-vid

Super Street Fighter II X national championship qualifier played on a 60 inch rear projection screen.

I am putting together an information post about the prevalence of rear projection monitors in arcade gaming, and how they are underrated in terms of their role in its history.

>>10585771
There's nothing special about them.
They were used because they were the most cost-effective big screen option in these sorts of venues.
Proper CRT projectors would have cost much more.

>>10585829
>There's nothing special about them.
I would say their lack of any kind of screen mask is a special difference from a normal CRT.
They also just have a different quality of image that has a certain look and feel to it. For instance they have chromatic aberration due to the 3 separate CRTs all being magnified through large lenses.
I have owned both front and rear projection CRT monitors btw.

Do you guys have any recs for a PC98 monitor?

Having trouble either finding compatible monitors or finding ways to adapt them. I found some cheap trinitrons, but I don't think I could get it to work with them

>>10585839
Sorry dude, if you want it for “accuracy” then more power to you, however they’re actually just crap
You’d be much better off getting a projector instead of getting one of those washed out looking behemoths

>>10585863
>however they’re actually just crap
I mentioned earlier that I have owned both front and rear projection CRT monitors.
I know quite a lot about them from personal experience and I know that is not true, especially of the front projection type.
Rear projections can also look great when they are well calibrated and have good lenses.
The cheap RPTVs of consumer market are not indicative of the entire tech concept.

>>10583708
I still have the old t40s on my computer
They are awesome

>>10580294
Why is 4chan the only website with multiple people on it

>>10579419
I love hunting down a 50 episode TV series on VHS since every upload of it online is badly deinterlaced with some ass shareware program from 2003

>>10575435
After multiple flops I gave up on finding straight HDMI to component box and use this thing https://aliexpress.com/item/1005004717500469.html?sku_id=12000030216209548
in conjunction with HDMI to VGA converter instead.

This one got no scaling or processing just converts whatever signal goes into it to component, be it 240p, 448i or whatever the fuck else you need

>>10583189
>it has a button to cycle through all output resolutions
Don't buy the ones with a button, there's no way to turn the scaling off and it's shit!

>>10584569
Something like this
https://www.retroupgrades.co.uk/product/vga2ntsc-converter/
Cheap bullshit from amazon will scale the image to 480i no matter what you put in and will lag like hell. Good for watching videos and nothing else.

>>10586632
>Don't buy the ones with a button, there's no way to turn the scaling off and it's shit!
thats what i got it for though theres no other one that takes in any resolution and outputs 480i

need yryr bowl

>>10583329
>that pic
That looks like fucking shit
Scanline artifacts fucking up the image

>>10586891
It's interlaced you dont really see that irl

>>10580726
WOW that looks amazing.

>>10583652
Based
Fuck 4chaniggers
Numbskulls need their skulls caved in

>>10583771
>ok thats crazy bro but the simplest and best answer is still to place the speakers farther away.
No it isn't you double nigger
That is not a solution, that changes the sound separation
Kill yourself

And no I'm not that anon

>>10585839
>I would say their lack of any kind of screen mask is a special difference from a normal CRT.
Well that's just because it's a projector
Why would a projector have a mask?

>>10586906
Bullshit
The poster behind the goldfish character is completely riddled with memelines and you can't read shit on it besides ''North''
Guessing because it's a higher res tube like a PVMeme or a Trinitron
The show was also produced for HD screens so you lose information from the downscale

>>10586950
No shit it's hard to read it's 1080p downscaled to 480i. You really don't see the lines in use though have you not seen interlaced video before kek

>>10586950
you dont see the scanlines on 480i irl retard.
the camera only captures one field

>>10586938
Indeed.
But that makes it special.

>>10587048
You can see scanlines in 480i if the CRT has a very fine pitch.

>>10587157
and the fields don't overlap, which they usually do.

>>10583568
Genuine question
Did the situation where you put the speakers next to TV and it distorted the colors actually already happened to you or you're anticipating the problem based on some shit you've heard? Like your TV is likely already got speakers on the inside right next to the tube and that shit is NOT shielded.
You need huge PA speakers for magnets in them to be an issue

>>10583708
The speaker of that size is already not distorting shit unless you push the driver straight into the fucking screen, there are legitimate cases for paying extra for those but CRT safety is not one of them (and unless it's some PVM bullshit with mono speaker on the bottom the sound quality from a normal TV would be about the same as those tiny shits)

I think i've only did the fake ending once before, feels so good to be playing SOTN with a Saturn controller

>>10579782
i got my first rgb lead years back for my ps2, after someone gave me an ntsc copy of SoTC, it played in black and white on my pal trinitron using stock sony av cables,

when i got the cable i didnt really notice much difference in picture quality, i just remember it making the picture and colours darker, that was back in 2005,

recently i dug my ps2 out and plugged it in to an old lcd with the stock sony av cables, and it looked absolutely potato as shit, it was so bad there was no way i could enjoy playing anything, i dug out my old rgb cables, it has a switch to change between AV/RGB, set to av it looks just as shit as the sony cables, set to RGB, fucking POW!, the colours just pop, and the image sharpens up alot, i realised this is how its supposed to look, with stock av (composite) the colours are faded and washed out with brightness, for me its now RGB with everything, no going back.

my 29" trinitron is in storage, but i have my old amstrad cpc/6128 monitor from 1984, which has been sat in my loft for 25+ yrs, just found out its a 15khz rgb monitor, i plugged in my ps2, and the picture is so bright and vibrant and everything is so sharp, much like ur pic it puts lcds to shame,

heres espgaluda on ps2, tate which outputs 240p natively, the video doesnt do it justice but at the title screen at the end of the vid you can see how good it looks but only for a fraction of a second

heres another, thunder cross on ps2 also outputting 240p natively, my monitor is pal 50hz, when i play a 60hz game i do get a colour pictue but the screen rolls. lucky theres a v-hold knob on the back of the monitor, so i can get a stable 60hz image, but how is it other pal tvs ive had never have screen roll with a 60hz ntsc signal? instead they just display a black and white picture.

also in my vid am i actually getting ge-u-wine 240p scanlines? it looks like there there then there not, its hard to tell since most pics i see are fake generated over emphasised scanlines

>>10588117
hey i have the same issue with 60hz on my tv i use an aftermarket rf adapter, i bought an expensive coaxial cable to improve quality of signal but still the game rolls when its 60hz

There is a guy about an hour and a half away from me asking $200 for a 27" JVC DS eries. Should i even try to talk him down and travel for it or just wait for a closer more reasonable seller because these things show up a lot (or don't)?

>>10588090
Might be 4.43mhz instead of 3.58mhz?

>>10588169
yolo

>>10588169
Looks really good, if you're willing to spend 200 on it go for it
I find that 27"-32" is definitely the best size for a CRT

>>10588169
Just get it I would kek

>>10587371
even my small guitar amps cause issues
the big ones even more so from further away
I felt like a retard troubleshooting within these very threads kek
the Marshall was very far away

>>10588379
How are you displaying an image like these? What game is this?

>>10587431
God that Saturn hack looks like shit.

>>10588379
Wait, it was a fucking guitar all along? There's no troubleshooting that, turns out anon that said to put that shit away from TV was right lol

>>10588518
*guitar amp

>>10587371
>The speaker of that size is already not distorting shit unless you push the driver straight into the fucking screen, there are legitimate cases for paying extra for those but CRT safety is not one of them (and unless it's some PVM bullshit with mono speaker on the bottom the sound quality from a normal TV would be about the same as those tiny shits)
no they do i got modern creative speakers of the same size and they made the image at the top of the screen warp, i dont have a lot of space so my speakers are ontop of the crt

>>10588573
Damn, those must be extra spicy, I have 5 CRTs in my room and can't get any of them to distort no matter where I put the speaker

Is it possible for a CRT to get burn in from displaying 240p content for a long time? If only every other line is being hit by an electron gun, shouldn't it eventually result in a faint line pattern?

>>10588645
Of course, but it's usually from a solid pattern and colour being on extreme brightness for months if not years

>>10588654
I thought maybe there is some sort of randomization of which field is drawn and which is skipped for 240p. If that was the case, the chance for burn in would drop from low to 0

>>10588169
Big CRTs are still free around me as long as you can haul them

>>10583568
Is the geometry significantly effected, or is it just the colors? Because you can actually fix the colors by degaussing. If its a TV then you will need to buy or build a degaussing wand since TVs deguasing coils are weak.

If the magnetic strength is too large. You could reduce it by placing metal sheets either side of the CRT. That's what I used to do back when I had big speakers next to my monitor.

>>10588759
I have been training for this brother
>>>>/fit/

I found this monitor in the woods, is it worth grabbing ?

>>10588705
The fields arent static.
If you are worried about burn you can move the field around in the service menu every few years that way you will never get 240p burn in.
But you really dont need to worry on a normal crt, the only crts where it can be problematic are projector tubes

>>10586932
Damn that is crazy bro but you are playing video games on a 40 year old TV who cares

>>10588874
I got burn in before on a Sony
got in trouble as a kid
n64 era mcr racing
HUD during the race stayed forever

>>10588874
Huh you're right. Haven't thought of the service menu, that makes things simple

>>10586932
Anon going crazy about "sound separation" while the guy is rocking Marshall 4x12" next to 9" TV

>>10588852
Possibly, who knows you gotta plug it in to fix and out

>>10588945
kek
i only use the stack for chiptune/rehearsals
i have a PA that i use sometimes when i want loud explosions / good ost to be blasting

i put 6" car stereo speakers /amp in all my custom arcade cabs
espgaluda SLUMPS on that shit

>>10588169
i'd say that's too much and too far away for what it is. for perspective, i got a d-series 25min away for free. had to move it out of a basement, it was 36", and the focus isn't what it once was, but it was free. pic related. i'd recommend waiting about a month, both to see how common crts are where you live and because the price might go down. it's possible someone buys it, but i've never seen a non-sony consumer set sell for that much.

i just want to point out there that the startech dp2vgahd20 needs a better plug for the gpu. shit shifts like no other and makes it seem like the crt is broken at times

>>10590371
also. im using my shitty gateway ev910 @ 2048x1536 bc i dont want to ware down my dell p1130 bc i thought it was broken but its just the fucking dp that moves around a lot

>>10574149
>dirty pair
Extremely based.

>>10588852
you put that there didnt you.

>>10588852
>VINTAGE RETRO GAMING MONITOR
>***UNTESTED***
>$750 USD + $299.99 SHIPPING&HANDLING

>>10590935
Was the ripped out grass laid on top a giveaway

I have a 35" XBR from the 1990s with component and 2 S-video ports, but the geometry looks like this. Should I kill my parents and then myself?

>>10591028
Yes. Games would be literally unplayable on that. We'd have laughed at you until you killed yourself back in the 90s for having an imperfect display.

>>10583189
this picture has me cracking the fuck up

>>10588519
>>10588518
yeah full stack
but it was around 7 feet from the tube
i figured it out finally by angling the cabinet to see if changed anything on screen
the discoloration immediately went away
i felt like such a tard
i swapped crt
power-cycled in a different room
thought it was a faulty outlet, tested it with a multimeter
>>10588409
ryzen atari vcs pc running wind0ze 10
not sure of the game, prob something from pc98
rusty? brandish?
im not sure honestly
tineye produces zero results

>>10591535
>tineye produces zero results
You gotta use reverse search on sadpanda for this kinda shit, game is Wonpara Wars

can someone tell me why i have to set mpv to 16:10 for 4:3 content to display ok on my trinitron? seems like it's reading the tv to be some other target aspect ratio. not an issue for the os, ra, etc

>pin 8 on SHART
>switches the input to rgb but ALSO sets aspect ratio
>5v for 16:9 and 9v for 4:3
>no console actually outputs 9v to it, 5 is the best they can do
>need to use the remote to go 2 levels deep into picture menu to switch to proper aspect every single time I turn the console on
>desolder pin 8 on the cable that goes from scart switch to TV
>aspect is normal but now it starts in composite and I have to go into the menu to switch that
This is so annoying, I don't want to ever pick up the fucking remote.
Any fancy scart switches that remedy this shit?

>>10592667
>automatically goes to 16:9
>have to go 2 levels deep into the picture menu
B&O right?

>>10592667
>need to use the remote to go 2 levels deep into picture menu to switch to proper aspect every single time I turn the console
Are you sure it doesn't have a button on the controller that does it?
mine does, just press one button after turning it on

>>10591857
thnx i crossposted in the pc98 thread also
was gonna >>10591583 post the answer here


2024 i will get into x68k & pc98

>>10592667
>desolder pin 8 on the cable that goes from scart switch to TV
>aspect is normal but now it starts in composite and I have to go into the menu to switch that
It was probably connected to pin 16 as well (with a voltage divider).

Any suggestions for a pair of small speakers? Need a pair for my 20" monitor.

>>10593475
Usually 180ohms from pin 8 to 16. Though pin 8 I think is part of the Scart standard but no usually used by consoles. Variable voltage is a bitch, there's sometimes digital jungles that are voltage dependent on the input whether the rgb is analog or not. You can hack them with a bus pirate but it's a mission and usually easier to just go with an older television that has separate OSD and Jungle chips.

I've been using an HDMI2ARC converter with my Steam Deck, but I've been wondering if the image would be better if i instead converted the HDMI to Component or S-Video. Would there be a difference at all?

>>10591028
should be a slight tweak in the service menu (but write down the settings before changing them)

>>10593601
why not just modify the voltage coming in?

>>10592549
what show?

>>10593480
how small? i have these and theyre pretty good >>10583708

>>10574149
First time playing any Shin Megami Tensei game. The weird atmosphere feels similar to Phantasy Star III, though this is obviously a better game. Can see why it never got a western release back in the day, a 2D game full of nipples had no chance on playstation 1.

>>10594083
either a kite or mezzo forte i don't recall which

also i figured out i was wrong and every app and the os has this issue which is that the tv is being read as 16:10 when it's obviously 4:3. i can live with it but it's kind of a pain in the ass. wonder if anyone has had this issue and knows of a way to change it?

>>10595105
You gotta be more specific about your entire setup for us to be able to say anything

>crt only supports 480i
It’s over. I need to get one that supports 480p.

>>10595146
i think 480p on crt tvs/ pvms/bvms is quite rare you're probably best off getting a pc monitor

>>10595146
Just get a PVMeme. Then you can have 240p, 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i..

>>10595152
it's not super rare. good amount of hd tvs out there. it's just kind of a crapshoot because there's three different ways a tv can display 480p, each with varying levels of input lag. that and a lot of them are widescreen. and their inputs vary. there's also the matter of different standards for component. i'd say it depends on what you want to use it for when it comes to whether a monitor would be better. monitors that can do 70kHz and higher tend to have defined scanlines when displaying 480p.

>>10595146
>one that supports 480p
That's every VGA monitor you can get for close to free anywhere. Though honestly I don't think CRTs are worth it beyond 15KHz.
240p games straight up look different on CRT than on LCD screens, while 480p and up games just look sharper in their native resolution and that's it, everything else is the same.

>>10595157
Absolute majority of them don't do HD, only very late models

>>10595123
>>10595123
pc --> hdmi-rca converter --> trinitron

ok thanks for this comment, i debugged it one by one. the culprit is the
"cheap" converter. i have an hdmi-rf one which is way fancier and it outputs in 4:3 properly. the thing is i obviously want to use rca. and the only converter being sold online seems to be this one or a variation thereof, it's not like i can upgrade to anything it seems. dead end?

>https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/search/?q=hdmi%20rca%20ratio&restrict_sr=1
seems to be a common issue, oh well, at least i can fix it software wise since i only connect to a modern pc

>>10595254
>dead end?
Nothing is ever a dead end but you'll have to fuck around and it's not going to be cheap.
Off the top of my head
HDMI to VGA -> Extron VSC -> composite (only outputs 480i)
or
Crtemudriver -> HDMI to VGA -> VGA2NTSC adapter -> composite (can do whatever resolutions you want but you'll need a compatible graphics card)

If you just want to watch anime though consider a separate device that can output composite normally, like PS3 or RPi or something.

>>10595254
its not a dead end
some of them randomly have 4:3\16:9 switches
the one i have MUST be in 16:9 for it to look right on a crt for some reason
again, its not the best for gaymen
but for cartoons and passive stuff its serviceable

dont everspend
amazon will let you return it if you hate it
i suggest other solutions for gaming though
i usually do misterfpga for vintage games over s-video

>>10595254
I have one of these and it outputs 4:3 fine

>>10595427
>>10595326
>>10595315
thx for the roundup. i'll pass now that i know what is needed to get the job done. since i live in latam the aliexpress stuff is all i can get without going the extra mile. basically everything will work fine because fix stuff per program on the pc. the only thing that sucks dick is watching movies that aren't in 4:3. if it's in 4:3 i just force stretch on mpv and call it a day since i know the correct output ratio is "fill every inch of the tv". but when they are in of the other million ratios they can be in, i have no idea what to do. that said forcing 21:9 seems to do the trick, but then i'm not sure whether i'm oversquashing it vertically or not. 21:9 to 16:10 is... blah

>>10592546
What anime?

how does a trinitron's s-video compare to a shadow mask component? cant decide between keeping my kv20fv12 (only has s video) or my toshiba 27af42 (has component)

>>10596727
every model is gonna be different in person
s-video to component you get diminishing returns
even less from component to RGB

big jumps are:
rf to composite
and then composite to s-vid
svideo is good enough for me honestly
save your sheckels

>>10596727
Fucked up that you're asking us instead of turning both on and comparing them with your own eyes.
If I was picking a single TV to keep I would go with one that leaves me with more options, so component one sounds better.

WEGA display just went completely black while playing Gitaroo Man, speakers still work somehow.
Read online the picture tube is on its last legs and, basically, shit's fucked. No work around other than replacing it.
This is such a bummer. This TV looked fucking beautiful, so many memories.
Any miracle cures out there, fellow WEGAfags?

surprised that nobody has made some cheap ass composite out PCI card and made millions off the "I want to emulate on a CRT but I don't know how" market

yeah, you wouldn't be able to use your gpu that way but modern cpus can easily software render this crap at 320x240 or whatever

how comes my crt whine stops if i push the underscan button or set it to 16:9 mode

>>10597996
congrats you found the blind spot in your hearing range

>>10595071
yeah looks special doesn't it. it's >>10596547

>>10574704
>They also went and scrubbed out split second single frame easter eggs that referenced other anime that the studio didn't have the license to, in addition to recoloring any Red Cross

Sad, but not surprising. Copyright/trademark law is a bitch, especially in Japan. I can live without the lack of film grain, tho.

>>10581075
lol

>>10576960
>What do you mean? Doesn't using a super resolution make the desktop unusable?
Switch to super-res, then use PS2 emulator in stretch mode.

>>10576960
>And those newer GPUs apparently don't have low enough Pxl clocks to go down to 240p/480i natively.
you can do 320x240p with a hdmi or displayport adapter but super res is benefitial in every way anyways

>>10595157
>Just get a PVMeme
nta but they're all gone man. The only way to get one now is overpaying some sleaze on ebay charging hundreds for an itsy bitsy 14 incher.

>>10597953
if the picture tube was fine before it's probably not the tube. i don't know what it would be, though. can you feel static on the screen when it's on?

>>10594021
If consoles output 5v standard you can use a step up, step down converter inside the tv.

Flatron looks awesome for 5th and 6th gen.

>>10598626
i had a giant wega like this in 2005-06
many nights with the boys playin wii\brawl
if only we knew it was the good old days back then

>>10598637
I really want a modded wii. I can probably skip on Saturn and Dreamcast as most games ended up on psx and wii

>>10598650
wrong assumption
but having a modded wii is based
the only thing is you might want a raphnet adapter so you can use wired controllers
the wiimotes leave a bit to be desired with latency
its serviceable for metalslug and easier titles
but for hardcore shmups or precision platforming it can become an annoyance

even ps1 (fucking kek) runs ok on wii depending on the game

>>10598650
Modded Wii's have the most bang for the buck for gaming. You can scoop them for almost nothing via fb marketplace or value village and play the entire GameCube library via USB. Everyone that goes out of the way to get a CRT should have one.

>>10598656
What about gamecube wired controllers?

>>10598660
Currently I have too many CRT's. I am selling a 25PT Philips, 27 flat panel Sharp that has great speakers but heavy and bulky, a sanyo slimfit(trying to fix it but I think tune is shorted so recycling instead), Viewsonic 15GS touch panel and maybe a big 29 Panasonic TX that I haven't managed to look at yet. Keeping for now my Flatron, iiyama and a nice little Sanyo I rgb modded.

>>10598689
>too many CRT's
Impossible.

>>10598626
I think we had the same (or similar) TV in the living room back in the mid-2000s, was really good. Hooked up everything via RGB, looked amazing.
Too bad it broke some 10+ years later and my parents threw it out. Wonder what the fault was, maybe I could've saved it.

>>10598695
Best geometry on a flat panel due to being actually flat and with the special LG-Philip Looks a bit too much for 4th generation and below but I can post more pictures if anons are interested. I hope you find another one though, these things are downright beautiful.

>>10598702
Yeah, please post more.
The only pic I managed to find of mine is this. It's from 2009, after we'd already replaced it with a 40" LCD, but before we moved it out. The plaster fell off from the ceiling and my mom took a few photos of the mayhem. Looks like it's not exactly the same model, judging by the Flatron logo, but close enough.
After that, my grandma used it for a few years and then my dad set it up in one of the rooms upstairs at her place. He must've dropped it at some point and then it just wouldn't turn on, so he threw it away.
Maybe I'll get another one like it if I find it for sale nearby someday. Lots of CRTs still around, so there's a good chance for that. I got myself a few good TVs in the meantime (mainly late-90s Trinitrons), so it's not like I need it, but it would certainly be cool for the nostalgia value.

>>10598817

Super Metroid over composite. Filters are awesome

>>10598919
Oops phone camera app playing up again

PS2 over component. Castlevania Lament of Innocence

>>10598817

>>10598919
>>10598961
Cool, always liked Lament of Innocence. Do you have better cables for the SNES or only composite?
Try taking the photos in a dark room with no other light sources besides the TV. 1/60 shutter speed, ISO as low as you can, eyeball the white balance so it looks like what you really see. A bit of playing with manual focus should help, too. It will make your pictures much better. As for the rotation, remvove the EXIF before posting and then rotate manually if it's wrong.

>>10599271
I have a scart cable and an s-video cable on the way from Ali Express. The Scart works nicely on the Sanyo but the LG sadly has digital inputs so difficult/impossible to mod. I might try running it over my GBS-C because I have a saturn component cable coming for that too. Though mainly I just want to run 5th and 6th generation consoles on this tv.

>>10598528
Nope, no static. Screen's completely cold. Picture tube was completely fine until it suddently stopped working yesterday, was running on "Vivid" Picture Mode most of the time so that probably strained it more than normal.
Did a power cycle. I could see the iconic flash when turning on the TV, display kind of wanted to fade in from black, but just gives up half way through and fades out again, stays black.
I know for a fact controls still work since volume can be changed no problem. Changing the Picture Mode to something less bright than "Vivid" did nothing.
If there is even a hint of hope for fixing it, I would love to avoid trashing it if I can help it. Shame.

>>10599764
It sounds like some components in the power supply flyback circuit need replacement. Sounds like flyback is not shorted so check diodes and caps.

Does anyone here who uses an OLED notices that while horror games have deep blacks, it doesnt look as good as a CRT's?
Sure, the OLED can do deep blacks, but the games dont necessarially feel "dark" like on a CRT.

>>10600403
No, but then I've been taking my meds. Give it a try and see if anything changes.

>>10599271
Thanks for the photography tips anon. I'll find a dedicated Android app.

>>10600403
I have an LG C1 OLED. I have the same feeling. I don't know what it's about though. Perhaps near-black uniformity. Contrast certainly feels stronger on my CRT monitor even, meanwhile turning down the Brightness setting on my OLED doesn't achieve the same results.
In short, yes, but who knows why. Inherently different tech, who can tell.

>mfw I discover my PC monitor can do native 320x240@200Hz

>>10600403
I have the same experience too, I'm not really sure how it works but everything feels a lot darker.
I usually prefer OLEDS for every type of modern game but I do wish that it had this same effect as a CRT.

>>10600430
(You)

Probably a silly question, but do CRT's brave cold temperatures well? I have mine in my 4 seasons room and it's 0°F today. Pic related

>>10591028
Could be worse. You might not even notice these issues in gameplay desu

>>10598661
feels shitty for certain older systems\games
and that D-pad is bad, REAL bad for shmups
i already have the mini systems so the controllers are cross-compatible
but you can get adapters for cheap that allow nes\snes\sega genesis etc
MAYBE more usb shit is allowed now in 2024
but in the early letterbomb days you could only use wii motes

i hate the "classic" controller (both versions)
but thats what most people seem to use with wii

>>10600916
Have a (You) back, schizo. OLED has perfect blacks. There is no blacker than a pixel emitting no light. If you notice some CRTs being somehow superior in that respect, it's a placebo effect in your diseased manchild mind.

>>10598661
This is how I play all my GCN downwards games, except PSX, I use the WiiProController for that because it has L2.
You gotta love retro-compatible Wiis with their GCN controller ports.

>>10600403
more of a subjective thing
some games look objectively better with glow\blur\streaking
atari 2600 comes to mind
or anything that abuses sprite flicker
>>10601024
nta but oled isnt PERFECT black
its good, amoled tech is great &
i've been on board with it since the nokia windows phone era
however the idea of splitting hairs and
saying its better than a good crt is a slippery slope
its not an argument that either side can win
some games just look better with composite signal\transparency effects etc

the truth is its a good idea to have decent gear for both solutions
somewhat decent scaler
somewhat decent gaymen monitor
somewhat decent large 4k panel w\ acceptable game mode
somewhat decent crt collection (without getting hardfucked by resellers)

consider the following:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tests/inputs/input-lag
https://displaylag.com/display-database/


most people crying about "lag" on hdmi panels are using their grandmas hand-me-down consumer TCL shitmon panels while posting about how the "nintendo switch and mini consoles have lag"
aka faggots

>can't find any fucking info on how to access service mode on my Samsung
FUCK

>>10601052
>nta but oled isnt PERFECT black
it is though?

>>10601052
You're the same retard who claims emulators dont lag, are you?
You literally list monitors. Everyone knows monitors dont lag

>>10601312
open your eyes
your screen is a screen not the fucking void of space \ blackhole

>>10601346
no
i usually avoid emulation outside of fpga or finalburn
i mention my gaming monitor (1ms) as its readily available & cost effective
accuracy starts feeling "off" if you are hardcore familiar with the game even with "muh runahead lol"
its not so fucking horrible its unplayable (just like pc engine mini, astro city mini, etc)
its just not the 100% ACCURATE END ALL BE ALL SOLUTION

im not a caveshmup tranny
but when i play any type of precision based game i want crt & original hardware
preferably with original controllers

I should take some nice pics of games on my CRT. Its not one of the fancy PVM kind but I like the pics. I have a roku that I connect to it to watch stuff on too.

>>10601537
i miss my old grey sony
it was too large for me to take with me in 2006
it also weighed nearly 400lbs kek

>>10601528
>open your eyes
>blackhole
If you're going to use a black hole as your argument then your just being an idiot

>>10601542
I saved this one from a yard sale. It started raining hard as soon as I got it in the trunk. Saved it from a sad wet death.

>>10590945
lmao this.
hate these fucking adds on ebay
Just got a Sony Trinitron KV-1370R.
waiting for it in the mail now.

>>10600965
probably? they do heat up inside, which is why they've got the ventilation spaces in their case.

>>10600965
It's fine. If the air is too dry then make sure to turn it on to "warm it up" occasionally.

>turn any crt into a pvm by swapping out the circuit board

>>10596801
this one looks fancy af. brand?

why does retroarch make my crt flicker a black bar, and then occasionally the whole screen. refresh rate something something? what do i enable

>>10601854
sounds like it's out of spec

>>10601546
He's got a point. You can't have a perfectly black display, it's physically impossible. Displays are not black holes.

>>10601871
what's that? doesn't sound like it since only retroarch causes it.

>>10601873
>He's got a point
No, he and you are being pedantic to bait

Aperture grille fags and RGB fags could never appreciate smooth graphics, they need everything to look like a fakebit indie game

>>10602305
What does aperture grille have to do witth smooth graphics?

anyone been able to hook a smartphone up to a crt?

>>10602864
If your phone can do HDMI out then get a converter

I like CRTs

>>10601876
retroarch has some weird issues with forced display mode changes on certain video drivers and GPUs. It might be switching to something fucked up when you launch it. Try OpenGL/Vulkan/DirectX (whatever you aren't using) and enable windowed fullscreen mode

>>10602305
I like shadow mask and slot mask too. But I have a couple small sonys 13 inch and under and they actually have a look closer to a slot mask for some reason instead of the ugly vertical lines

>>10574519
I wanna shoot my semen into Yuris hair if you understand "wink"

I started Soul Blazer last night and I've been fucking hooked, it's so simple but I"m having a blast

>>10603653
you're probably right come to think about it it's always flickered on the menu on my main monitor any way. thing is i can't really change the driver because reasons. oh well

>>10603674
what did anon mean by this?

>>10603895
I mean the driver settings inside retroarch

>>10603898
i dunno something gay probably

>>10601535
Software emulation is superior at the moment compared to hardware emulation in terms of input lag and accuracy. Imagine being dumb enough to get scammed into paying for an inferior version of something that is free to begin with.

>>10591028
what the fuck are you talking about? that's perfect.

>>10604997
Yeah, the bro is either trolling or has never seen the average flat panel crt before.

>>10605016
thats a curved aperture grill

>>10587041
Maybe if you have shit eyesight or are watching from like 10 feet away
Either way the memeline artifacts are clearly visible and it looks horrible
Use modern TVs for modern shows

>>10587239
Most PVMemes are 500 TV lines or higher so the fields never overlap and there is more flicker as a consequence
Ideally you want 300 lines for 480i

>>10602305
Aperture Grille and RGB has nothing to do with this
You can have a very low TVL aperture grille wih coarse pitch and RGB
Only thing that will look different is the colors and it will lack composite/RF dithering effects

>>10603661
>I have a couple small sonys 13 inch and under and they actually have a look closer to a slot mask for some reason instead
Low TVL
Coarse Dot/Stripe Pitch
Small screen size

>>10603884
I wish the US version wasnt censored and had its art unaltered and I wish the fan translation didnt suck
SOULBLADER > Soul Blazer

>>10603661
>>10605159
Even my 14 inch slot mask monitor has 600 TVL

>>10605160
What's wrong with the fan translation

I have two identical PVMs, that I managed to get from a single source for cheap. Is there any reason to keep the two instead of just one? Both seem to have low hours and I would be able to do basic maintenance in the future, like replacing caps

>>10605416
If you play shooters, have it in TATE mem

>>10574519
Yuri makes me want to masturbate hard

>>10605372
I don't understand the TVL thing honestly. Can you explain how higher TVL increases the perceivable detail when it's already in excess of the horizontal resolution? I can get how it would matter up until 640 lines but how can going past that increase detail if you are displaying only 640x480

>>10605558
I understand analog doesn't have a strict horizontal resolution but the video you are outputting has standards. So is the 800 TVL stuff only relevant when you are displaying stuff like 720x480 or 800x480? How would higher TVL matter for a console output with lower resolution

What's the best way to record footage that outputs to my CRT TV? I plan on recording in the best quality available for OG Xbox and GameCube games. I see all sorts of bullshit online and no good answers.

>>10605594
plug to video output from the console into a magic box that turns it into 2 video outputs and plug one into your capture card

>>10605419
I don't play shooters, but thanks for the suggestion, I didn't think of that

>>10605662
Which magic box is best? For some reason there are more Nintendo specific devices for sale to do with this than anything else

>>10605558
High TVL = Tighter mask pitch = More phosphors available to address a picture = Sharper

>>10605749
yeah thanks retard that explains nothing

Can I use 240p test suite to help fix overscan issues? I can get the service menu up, but I want to make sure that I'm adjusting the horizontal and vertical values correctly. If not, what should I use?

>>10605558
>>10605770
Higher TVL = Sharper
That's as simple as an expiation as it can be.

>>10605562
>video you are outputting has standards.
It's analog, you can display anything as long as it fits within the frequency restraints of the monitor. Non-standard modes used to be pretty common when you wanted to push the maximum out of your hardware.

>>10605749
Smaller phosphors are not the most important factor. Beam focus is far more important. Phosphors are not pixels, you can resolve details below the phosphors size.

>>10605770
You're welcome, sub-80 IQ.

>>10605970
The phosphors can only be as large as the dot/pitch it's contained into.
If you watch any CRT manufacturing video, you'll notice how the phosphor pattern matches the mask:
https://youtu.be/2jJm65mQWR0?list=FLzI7MBKHHrcdLW7OutHNt7Q&t=912

>>10574163
>I want to lick Keis sweaty armpits

Same.

>>10605970
Beam focus isn't an issue at the resolutions we usually talk about here, even on mediocre CRTs.

>>10604995
wrong
cope and seethe

>Won an auction for Pikmin
>It's PAL
Fuck, will I really have to play at 50hz? Is it that much different from 60hz?

>>10606743
Anon is right, FPGA emulators are usually 1:1 with hardware, including latency, meanwhile modern software emulation can be lower latency than original hardware if you want.

No idea why you'd want that but you can, I prefer 1:1 though.

>>10606792
I think more of an issue will be the region block
you won't be able to play it at all

>>10605558
something like this, maybe?

>>10605558
Think of it in a similar way to DPI

>>10606926
That is an issue, but I also ordered a xeno chip that should help with that. No idea if I can also force the game to run at 60hz tho.

>>10607135
Not the original PAL Pikmin unfortunately
Maybe there's a setting to force it on swiss but the first game didn't have 60hz from what I remember

>>10607139
Will have to test Swiss and see what happens. At least I have a cool physical copy to go with my copy of Pikmin 2 now.

>>10607129
Thanks. That's the best explanation I've gotten that's not just retards repeating "it make it look gooder"

>>10605562
The simplest answer is it really doesnt.
If you plan on playing games games at 320x240p you arent going to get any more detail, just bigger scanlines
If you were to however display PAL on your TV which is 720x576i then 800TVLs would be much better then 600 for example.
This is why TV sets in europe were pretty much often higher TVL then american sets

>>10602305
I appreciate composite where appropriate.
It fits pre-1999 console games nicely.
Arcade games and DC-PS2 definitely look better over RGB though.

>>10602732
Yeah, I have a JVC video monitor with shadow mask and you can cut yourself on how sharp that shit is, especially over RGB, so that's not relevant at all.

>>10574161
Normies still think tube TVs are worthless. They're not too hard to find if you don't care about getting a PVM. VGA CRTs are a different story, and I've never had any luck finding one for a decent price.

>>10601537
>>10601548
damn, I wanna watch EVA on my CRT now. what's a good way to do this if I have access to a raspberry Pi 3B and a modded Wii?

>>10607772
>VGA CRTs are a different story, and I've never had any luck finding one for a decent price.
That's weird, where I live there's plenty and most go for almost free. Some guy was selling new old stock 17" monitors couple of years ago for $10 a piece, I got one, it's kinda shitty but the tube is brand new.

>>10607785
You can get CRT monitors where I live but they get snatched up quick. I have to be faster I think and get a couple more. Got a 21 and a 15.

>>10607778
I'm also searching for a good way to play videos in modern formats on a crt.
Currently using a PS3 with some homebrew player but it takes forever to load, the UI sucks and the video is full of interlacing artifacts that weren't there when I was watching shit on VHS or DVD

>>10607778
Probably WiiMC
However you are not going to be able to downscale, only play DVD quality video

>>10608217
So if I wanna convert shit to DVD quality, how would you recommend doing that?

https://youtu.be/VGbHD65z4Ak?si=Gy_2RsVTTdTNfdm_&t=1400

>65 usd for giant trinitron
I hate my government, crts aren't allowed to be sold in charity shops and the junk yard doesn't let you take them either because muh lead glass is bad. This would probs cost like 200 gbp if i wanted one kek and thats even if i could find noe crts are pretty hard to find near me, i drove 8 hours for my current one to get it at a reasonable price was still expensive

>>10607892
>>10607778
get raspi 4 or 5 with android tv, they have composite output and android tv is pretty comfy
https://konstakang.com/devices/rpi4/LineageOS20-ATV/
https://konstakang.com/devices/rpi5/LineageOS20-ATV/

best remote are ones that have keyboard and android buttons search like "2.4ghz remote android keyboard" and youll see a bunch of them make sure it coems with the usb connector

>>10608437
>composite out
At least use a RGB hat

>>10608437
Android TV seems like an OS for modern displays, will it display 24fps videos correctly on an interlaced screen with no artifacts or I'll have to do some linux config fuckery to get it working?

>>10608446
Can't Pi's output 15KHz signal over HDMI like Mister does?

>>10608472
>Android TV seems like an OS for modern displays, will it display 24fps videos correctly on an interlaced screen with no artifacts
I dont know i haven't actually used composite im using mine with >>10583189

>>10608476
Oh, so the advice is useless. Thanks.

>>10608490
>Oh, so the advice is useless. Thanks
raspi natively supports composite output im sure it will work fine

>>10608492
Does the UI of OS you linked actually support it though? The page only mentions HDMI. Like I'm sure you can cook something good with RPi but I need an advice of someone who actually did rather than someone who plugged a modern device into a china converter.

>>10608518
Well 480p doesn't seem to work for some reason but idk if thats and issue with my convertor box or the android on the pi. I'm using 720p downscaled to 480i and it is decent. The raspi composite output downscales whatever is as the resolution so 720p would downscale to 480/576i

>>10608437
nigga I'm broke, I'm trying to work with what I have here

>>10608352
the free software HANDBRAKE, the one with a pineapple/martini logo.
It is superb to downscale.
I downscaled a bunch of BlueRayRip 1080p Anime/Series down to 480p h.264 mkv.
The wii with WiiMC can handle several audiotracks and several subtitles, so MKV is a great option to contain all of those along with the main video.

Do not forget, the higher the Wii can go is 480p encoded with h.264, h.265 is too complex for the wii.

>>10608217
Just tested WiiMC, latest version works fine with .mkv with a modern codec in 480p with no conversion, even displays soft subs if you need that.
Straight up crashed when I tried to play a 1080p file for a giggle though.
There's no artifacts I saw using PS3 homebrew so it's pretty much what I wanted but I really don't like having the wii out so I'll have to look into RPi as well.

>>10608352
If it's an old show suitable for CRT there should be torrents with 480p dvd rips around, don't need to convert.

>>10607778
I had this same issue. Wii was too slow and the software was kinda buggy even after you transcoded. Ps3 is similar. I was broke and had a rpi3b. Get libreelec on a sd, get the older version, which has better codec support for more popular media formats because there's all sort of fuckery with hardware decoding of media and raspberry pis drivers. It looks pretty good desu. CRT spergs will bitch about its composite out quality but at least you can start playing media asap. The only pain in the ass is setting up all the video config settings for composite out and dealing with the overscan.

eventually I'm just going to replace it with a htpc and a VGA to component transcoder so I can emulate systems I don't feel like buying.

>>10608931
>If it's an old show suitable for CRT there should be torrents with 480p dvd rips around, don't need to convert.

This, JUST _BEAR IN MIND:_
From a couple of years now, content from 480p sources has been circulating encoded with newer codecs (i.e. h.265) for better compression and quality. So yeah, torrents we downloaded of the complete Dragon Ball in 2012 with DVD rip 480p quality, will play, because h.264 was the best codec back then.

The Wii plays h.264 encodes, but NOT h.265 which is the codec used for most NEWER anime encoded to 480p in TELEGRAM.

I get many series from Telegram, and specially new content which has been downscaled for mobiles and low bandwidth for 3rd world (expensive data rates) uses h.265 because it has better compression and modern Android devices have no problem with it.

So yeah... all my older torrents of movies and series I got with perfect DVD quality/rips in the 2000 to early 2010s they all play perfectly in the Wii.

For example, I had a 360p version of Clarissa Explains It All I downloaded in 2008ish... it was ok for the time, it uses h.264 codec so no issue with the Wii, but I wanted better quality so I found the series in 480p, ripped recently, and it was already h.265, so it would not play (only audio).

So I re-encoded a bunch of media for Telegram, search in telegram "480p h.264" and you will find my channels.

Back to the issue, HandBreak is great to re-encode and as long as you do not mind for file size, you can get incredibly neat 480p videos from BlueRay sources, it is incredible how good it gets when you do not mind huge files.

Ah, if you want to make sure what codec some video is using for compression (whether h.264 or h.265), then run the video in VLC Player and press "Control+J", it will show all the info on the video/audio the first line will show the codec.

>>10608472
>Can't Pi's output 15KHz signal over HDMI like Mister does?
There's literally RGBS hats for Pi.

>>10607892
>>10607778
Use your PC? Not every modern card supports interlaced modes though, most newer ones are limited to 240p when it comes to 15kHz.

>>10609097
I know, and they cost money, I'm asking about outputting 15KHz without using them.

>>10609103
>modern GPUs can't do what you want to do but use a PC
Great advice

>>10608994
anon this sounds like more work than just getting an old GPU that supports crt emudriver and can play h.265

>>10609162
>downloading some software to work with what you have is more work than getting the parts to build a separate PC
>all for the incredibly niche use case of watching the latest episode of Isekai Buttfuckers S2 letterboxed on a CRT
Sure.

>>10608974
>Wii was too slow
It takes a second to buffer but once it gets going it plays 480p files without stuttering just fine.
The composite is so clean on Wii with no dot crawl at all so for composite only setups I think it's the best possible solution.

>>10608891
>>10608994
I'll look into Handbrake. What filesize should I shoot for if I want good quality 480p H.264 MKVs?
>>10608931
>If it's an old show suitable for CRT there should be torrents with 480p dvd rips around, don't need to convert.
Good point. EVA is old so I could almost certainly find 480p versions of it ready made.
>>10608974
Might look into the libreelec route if the Wii doesn't work out for me. I wanna try my Wii first though because it has component and my Pi just has crappy composite. Do you remember which version of libreelec you used?
>>10609103
CRT-Emudriver doesn't exist on Loonix. Wish it did though. Would be based AF.
>>10610636
A second to buffer shit is fine. The Wii is 2006 hardware after all.

>>10609195
>re-encoding everything you download to be able to play on ancient wii software is easier than buying cheap thing on ebay

>>10610701
>re-encoding everything
It's been said 10 times already in the thread that there's no need to encode a dvd rip of eva to play on Wii and you only need to do it for new anime that there's no reason to watch on CRT in the first place. If the guy REALLY needs his isekai buttfuckers fix and all his LCDs get broken for some reason he can use RPi he already has.

>>10610713
>no reason to watch on CRT in the first place
there's still reason anything looks good on a crt

>>10610713
what if an old show has an hd rerelease and you wanna make a 480p encode from that?

>>10610701
this you can get dirt cheap android boxes that can be flashed with roms to remove all of the chink malware/spyware. afaik all of these chink boxes support composite via the audio jack. cheapest i managed to find that supports this custom rom is the T95w with 4gb ram and S905W2 cpu

https://xdaforums.com/t/project-slimboxtv.4152049/
https://slimboxtv.ru/

>>10610713
you are really stuck on isekai for some reason. Going out of your way to find shitty old encodes of anime and re-encoding stuff sounds like way more work than a single cheap purchase for a device that can play anything. All my old anime is h265 including DVD rips because it's superior

>>10610769
Unless your computer monitor is some busted TFT shit from 2008 you wouldn't get anything out of watching a modern anime episode interlaced and downscaled to 640x360 other than loss of detail.

>>10610780
These look like generic hdmi devices?

>>10610784
>All my old anime is h265 including DVD rips because it's superior
You converting them yourself to save space? Even 480p BDrips from recent re-releases I've got are h264

>>10610803
>These look like generic hdmi devices?
they do composite over the audio jack

>>10609162
Okay, what's a good frontend for media on a CRTemudriver PC? With emus I can just autorun retroarch and do everything with a gamepad there, but how do I watch videos on it?
Normal Win7 is pretty unusable in 640x480

>>10610687
Not sure if it will be able to do it yet but check out ReplayOS for the RPi5

>>10574519
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>>10610821
Forgot link
https://twitter.com/rtomasal/status/1746570324865339787

>>10610821
I don't have money for a Pi 5.

>>10610805
Yeah, it will scale your 480p file first to 720p then back to 480i, using 2:2 pulldown on the 60fps output of the tvbox instead of correctly doing 3:2 on the 24fps video, not to mention abysmal composite quality with dot crawl
China devices like that are modern compromises for elderly people that just want netflix on whatever old TV they have.
It will look wrong and ugly, there's no point to using CRT over more modern display if it's actually going to look worse.

>>10610837
Then the best way is just to use UMS and DLNA with a compatible CRT console like the 360 or PS3

>>10610817
i use plex and it works fine at 640x480. works with a controller too

>>10610851
that can't play h265 so that doesn't fix anything

>>10610841
All CRTs look worse than modern displays. No one plays on them for video quality except retards

Why not just use a PC monitor?

>>10610869
pc crt monitors aren't 30+ inches

>>10610862
this i watch stuff on my crt for the comfiness

>>10610851
I used that for a while, DLNA is a pain in the ass to set up and you have to keep your PC on the whole time.
Crazy how the thread just keeps ramping up the complexity of proposed "solutions" when the dude could be watching EVA right now on either wii or rpi by just plugging them in

>>10610862
If all your experience with CRTs was through chinky converters then you would think that I guess.

>>10610871
picture quality > size

>>10610875
What comfiness do you get from your media looking bad and wrong? There was no dot crawl or visible combing on VHS so it can't be nostalgia.

>>10610875
Really?
I watch SD content on my CRT because it makes them look really sharp and good

>>10610885
This, there would be no need to keep my CRTs around if old games and anime looked good on modern screens.

>>10610881
>What comfiness do you get from your media looking bad and wrong?
It looks good i use an old amd card that has component output
>There was no dot crawl or visible combing
i dont get this.

and yeah vhs looks great, i have vhs tapes for the pokemon movies but my vcr broke last time i watched one kek. i like that you get all the old ads on vhs too

>yahoo japan auctions
>200 yen pristine PVMs with 700 yen domestic shipping
>$500+ dollar international shipping
>ebay
>$900 dollar filthy broken compaq monitors with $1500 dollar domestic shipping

>>10611002
Japan is 20 years behind the west technologically. Buying a CRT in Japan right now is like buying a CRT in the US back in 2004 when everyone was dumping theirs on sidewalks to make room for their brand new 1240x768 resolution LCDs.

>>10610784
> h265 including DVD rips
Gross, you should keep the original vob files. Transcoding is evil.

>>10610928
>It looks good i use an old amd card that has component output
That's a decent way to output it then, you have no reason to agree with the guy using chinese device that "crts are supposed to look bad" here

>>10611002
>200 yen pristine PVMs
It's an auction man, it's gonna be hit with 50 sniper bids 5 seconds before closing.

>>10611053
I'm talking the buy it now price

>>10611056
Link? Gonna buy it if it's real

>>10611047
well they do look "bad" but i think theyre good for a lot of media because them looking bad does a very good job at hiding the compression artifacts in encodes

>>10611008
>Buying a CRT in Japan right now is like buying a CRT in the US back in 200
theyre probably a lot more worn out because of how long japs hold onto old tech though

Is it possible to find replacement flybacks for CRTs? From my understanding, they're the only custom part of a CRT that can fail, other than the tube itself, so I'd like to get a spare. Google search by part number yielded nothing

>>10611138
yes and no

>>10611146
Can you elaborate?

>>10611151
sure, it's difficult to find what you're looking for and it's probably easier to cannibalise another set but that's probably not worth the effort