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They probably didn't fucking play Ghost Recon, I guess. Can you only make threads with loaded questions?

Russians are predictable, predicting advanced societies isn't

literally who cares about georgia
MGS2 gave you a crash course on AI controlling narratives on the internet and steering modern society to the whims of the elites
You would never have fucking thought of such a thing back then, probably thought war was just dudes with guns shooting each other

>>10584197
read a book nerd

>>10584249
chances are you didn't read shit on this topic until after the game came out, negroid

>>10584269
Stop projecting

>>10584269
he is totally right and I can't help but laugh at you lol

Kojima boys are so cringe and clueless

>>10583958
>Westerner predicting politics :|
>Jap predicting politics :O

>>10584290
>>10584318
point out the books, tranny

>>10584020
>They probably didn't fucking play Ghost Recon
Why didn't they
>>10584062
MGS2 didn't predict the future, Kojima took existing internet anxieties and, like the cinephile he is, combined it with every single film conspiracy he could think of

>>10584342
every koijma game is openly derivative of film and fiction tropes. i'm not saying he's a hack because he borrows ideas, i'm just saying he's a game developer and not a visionary writer. read harlen ellison or any of the science fiction written during the first half of the latter century. I have no Mouth "predicted" grimly humankind's impending dependence on machinery; there are myriad stories written even before the first video game was made, which make such predictions or draw fantastical scenarios from which many later tales take their inspiration.

>>10584197
>MGS2 gave you a crash course on AI controlling narratives
No it didn't.

>and steering modern society to the whims of the elites
No it didn't.

>You would never have fucking thought of such a thing back then
Because it's not AI doing it, it's governments doing it, and they aren't actual AI's, they're a type of Machine Learning. Secondly, every last iota of a nanosecond of techno gobblety-gook that Kojima typed in MGS2 wasn't just semantically wrong, it was factually and objectively wrong. I mean for fucks sake, he didn't even get the year the US became a country correct.

MGS2 is the game which brainlets point to and go "WOAH, HOLY COW MAN, THIS GAME PREDICTED EVERYTHING!" without understanding, ironically, the "context" of everything the "AI" in the game is saying, or why what it's saying is completely fucking retarded.

I know the translator is the real genius behind Kojima, but even she had trouble rationalizing and translating Kojima's beyond-fucked-up and retarded plotholes, gaps in logic, and completely bizarre thought-processes of the actual storyline. Nothing in it makes sense, AT ALL. MGS1 was the furthest Kojima got to a credible and coherent storyline, but even that was filled with a bunch of absolutely bonkers-stupid storytelling you'd expect only from the worst Roger Corman movies.

>>10584437
>he didn't even get the year the US became a country correct.
Rofl, which year did he give?

>>10584448
Solidus: "That's right. George Washington took office as the first president of the United States of America 200 years ago today. And it
happened right here. We were going to declare another independence -- the dawn of a new nation -- here. The end of the Patriots' secret rule,
liberation of this country -- this was where it was supposed to begin, this is where freedom could have been born".

Alright, history buff out there it's time to do some math. Now MGS2 takes place in 2007. Gorge Washington took office in 1789. So, 200 years later would be 1989.

>>10583958
>the region that Russia and Georgia has a dispute over... will have a war
No shit. Who cares if you randomly guess the year or not.

>>10584461
At least it was right, instead of being wrong like MGS2 was.

>>10584269
Kojima literally plagiarized Dawkin's book The Selfish Gene, lmao, fuck off.

>>10584453
It's alternate history. Kojima was ahead of his time!

>>10584468
>plagiarized
one of the characters outright names the book (which I doubt you read 20+ years ago)

>>10584461
>Predicts the year
>strangely predicts the separatist rebel factions specifically in South Ossetia and Abkhazia
>Also predicted Russian's direct involvement and bankrolling of both those separatist rebel forces

Far more impressive than anything Kocheapma has shat out for one of his games.

>>10584495
Yea, so all credit should go to Dawkins, not Kojima. Dumb-dumb.

>>10584437
>factually and objectively wrong
Because these videogames about genetically augmented clones and giant robots running around as well as the USSR lasting 8 years past its real-world expiration date, a fictional 42nd president and Secretary of State being removed from office and replaced by another fictional 43rd didn't convince you that it's fiction.

>>10584502
It's called reading the news.

>>10584516
>DURRRR, IT'S FICTION, DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY
>BUT OH, GEE WHIZ, TAKE THESE SPECIFIC PARTS SERIOUSLY BECAUSE I SAID SO

Dipshit.

>>10584398
>Harlan Ellison
Fuck yes, he had more ideas stole from him than any scifi writer, but I enjoy kojima slop it's a great mix of James bond and scifi/military shit. You got tom Clancy, Harlan Ellison, James bond all mixed into a John carpenter esque Japanese style craziness. Another good one that predicted shit is Harrison bergeron from Kurt Vonnegut iirc. I'm nta, but mgs2 did "predict" how a.i. and automation would control the worlds historical narrative. I just watched a documentary on googles decline with it's ever increasing GW like tactics of currating the information we are allowed to see. Mgs2 was spot on, and there is no evidence to the contrary only people whining and calling kojima a hack.

>>10584453
I hope this is a troll or it's some serious autism on your part.

>>10584437
>>MGS2 gave you a crash course on AI controlling narratives
>No it didn't.
It 100% did. Have you ever even played the game? I don't think you have, in fact you sound like a dipshit just go watch the ending movies on YouTube, it's riddled with references to the exact problems we are facing with censorship and a.i.

>>10584520
And for Kojima, it's called "reading Philip K Dick"

>>10584543
>it 100% did
Explain in specific detail with references to procedural programming on AI how it literally "gave you a crash course". I'll wait.

>>10584536
So a piece of fictional media should have its message disregarded because it rounded a date only mutts care about? Retard.

There is nothing particularly profound about that prediction, it is just cool and Tom Clancy knew his stuff. There is nothing profound about MGS either, people just think 30 minute cutscenes filled with military + anime drivel is somehow deep.

Russia has been predicted in its entire course 30 years by Tricky Dick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgG_fLNBv6A

>>10584551
>rounded a date
Apparently Kojima was smart enough to read a book about who the first president of the United States was, but was too stupid to remember when he was president. Here's your genius who predicted the rise of AI bro (even though he actually didn't and was WAAAAY off)

>>10584554
Nixon also left out the Russian sleeper-cells in the US at the time which continued to infiltrate and propagandize Academia.

>>10584548
I do t have the lines memorized word for word, just go fucking watch the ending movies, you haven't even seen them. GW is an a.i that controls the narrative of what we are able to consume, and also the way history is written all put together by the elites to keep their control over the populace. Similar to how Google, Facebook,reddit, etc... are doing that exact thing and the advent of worthwhile a I. Is all to striking with kojimas fictional world. I said this>>10584537
"Predicts" in quotations, because it's still just a videogame narrative, it just happened to hit the nail on the head. kojima in no way ever stated he was trying to predict the future like nastradamus or Edgar cayce. Get a fucking grip.

>>10584557
>was WAAAAY off
The fact that it's one of the first things people recalled with the advent of AI tools becoming available to the public at large in the past 5 years gives you an idea of how many people it informed compared to anything else.

>>10584560
>Similar to how Google, Facebook,reddit, etc... are doing that exact thing and the advent of worthwhile a I. Is all to striking with kojimas fictional world.
No, it's not similar at all. Modern "AI" is essentially heuristics programming taken to its logical extreme. We have yet to see AI. Furthermore, that is not what Google and Facebook are doing. There are people specifically behind the scenes there monitoring and configuring their algorithms to influence people, using listening software and meta-data in search history to influence your behavior in regards to what news stories you see and what advertisements are recommended to you. None of it has anything to do with "writing history", it all has to do with feeding you a self-isolating input of your own machinations.

>"Predicts" in quotations, because it's still just a videogame narrative, it just happened to hit the nail on the head.
No, it didn't. As I stated in the previous paragraph, it was completely 100% off, unless you're so clueless about the current state of AI that you just conjecture about generalizations you hear about in pop culture, thinking that the singularity is near, when it isn't, or that AI is self-maintaining and autonomous, which it isn't, or that it's capable of acting on its own interests, which it isn't. There are tests with those approaches, but they are far removed from actual practicality.

>get a fucking grip
Like-wise, you ape-brained stooge. You sound like a retard, and the fact you can't lay into the specifics further grounds my belief you have zero clue what the fuck you're talking about and likely saw Kojima who was ripping off Dawkins.

I will admit, I found his inclusion of Dead Cell (A clear reference to the team Red Cell, led by Richard Marcinko) amusing, but other than that, all of MGS2 was nothing but retarded bullshit meant to dazzle pseuds, like you.

>>10584578
Skynet informed more, and was far closer to reality.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gSe3p4fGb1I

>>10583958
It's been years since I've played it, but wasn't there also a long winded diatribe against nuclear energy in the Twin Snakes as well?

>>10584593
That's very basic automation that has its roots in the 50s, not a self-learning algorithm that can fucking reprogram itself.
Skynet is about an AI ending humanity in self defense rather than influencing it.

>>10583958
mgs2 was a game about a false flag terror attack used to justify a sweeping government initiative released in october 2001. it's pretty damn prescient even if smoking gun and deus ex beat it to the punch.

>>10584739
yes, that bit aged terribly like the anti nuclear stuff in the simpsons. the only thing worth criticizing was using uranium for artillery shells and tank armor.

>>10584758
>a false flag terror attack
First off, it wasn't a false-flag in-game. Secondly, how would that have been prescient? Thirdly, governments world-wide use crises' to enact sweeping legislation. Fourthly, nothing in the game was enacted as part of sweeping legislation.

>>10584582
Kek, it's 100% what Google and Facebook are doing, I don't know who you're trying to fool but I stopped reading there. You're a fool and I'm not wasting anymore time on you.

>>10584772
> the only thing worth criticizing was using uranium for artillery shells and tank armor.

Not defending Kojima, but the M1A1 Abrams uses an embedded depleted uranium mesh in its armor.

>>10584778
>Kek, you're an idiot, I'm right
Quality discussion. Glad to see Kojima only attracts the brightest of the bright.

>>10584453
>autist filtered by figure of speech
200 years sounds better than 218

>>10584831
>rounds better
>"200 years ago TODAY"
Kojima Defense Force on high alert I see.

>>10583958
Well you see anon, MGS2 takes place in a geopolitical vacuum outside of the real world and involves a lot of highfalutin writing that grabs the attention of people who want to sound smart or tasteful. Ghost Recon takes the the Tom Clancy approach of then-current politics and injects side-possible scenarios in the real world, which takes actual knowledge to write about and understand, so it's far more limiting.

>>10583958
Normally I wouldn't agree, but after taking a look at the absolute dick-sucking-fest that is the Metal Gear Solid 2 Wikipedia page, I pretty much HAVE to agree that it's highly overrated.

The MGS series are very fun video games, but the pretentiousness is off the charts.

>>10584453
>>10584831
>>10584840
literally
>SHE WAS ONLY 17.99999 YEARS OLD YOU SICK FUCK

>>10583958
>accurately predicts
They don't call this "predictive programming" for nothing.

>>10583958
Probably because they didn't play it. Wasn't movie-game enough for them.

>>10583958
>Ghost Recon gets ignored
>Why are Kojima fans like this?
Sounds more like a concern of people who played Ghost Recon.
Why are they never bringing this up? Could it be that there isn't actually anything worth discussing other than that it predicted an event?

I'm not Raz0rfist so I don't seethe about Metal Gear while begging people to check out games that have Tom Clancy or Thief in the title

>>10585891
>while begging people to check out games that have Tom Clancy
I don't think I've ever heard him mention Tom Clancy once in any of his videos.

>or Thief in the title
Now that is literally him.

>>10585818
>Could it be that there isn't actually anything worth discussing other than that it predicted an event?
There's plenty to discuss, for instance the fact that it's actually more fun and better designed.

>>10583958
kojima fanboys doesn't have good taste

>>10586380

>>10584197
>Did someone say Georgia?

>>10586380
>thief
>aged like fine wine
Just ignore the mandatory combat sections with extremely gay combat mechanics near the end of the game I guess.

>>10586380
kojima haters don't english

>>10586529
>Just ignore the mandatory combat sections with extremely gay combat mechanics near the end of the game I guess.

what combat? you're talking about Manhunt, which is another excellent stealth game

>>10586531
I WATCH NIGGER KANYE ON REPEAT!!!!!

Why does the existence of MGS cause so much seethe with Clancy/Thief fans?

>ghost reconfags never discuss ghost recon
>literally make threads SOLELY to blame about other games that actually have an engaging fanbase
pathetic desu
says alot about your faggy recruitment tool funded by the US military industry

>>10586539
Last time I checked, MGS-fags seethe over Splinter Cell more than anything. They even seethe over Splinter Cell 1 being considered one of the best games ever made, and swear to this day it's a "shitty buggy west-jank game".

It's quite sad really.

>>10586574
>literally make threads SOLELY to blame about other games that actually have an engaging fanbase
Because Ghost Recon/Tactical Shooter threads rarely get enough replies as is. The seethe from kojima-cunts in this thread is enough to sustain this thread for quite some time.

>says alot about your faggy recruitment tool funded by the US military industry
Lmao, what the fuck are you talking about schizo? It was funded by Ubisoft, a French company. Jesus, if anyone is trying to pathetically cope, it sounds like that would be you.

>>10586665
half the posts in this thread are literally just you OP
know your fuckin place reddit spacer

>>10583958
Because Tom Calancie "predicted" so many real world events some say he was behind them.

>>10583958
no one cares about third world nations fighting eachother

>>10586781
Counted my posts and it added up to around 10 posts. Any other claims you'd like to make that are easily debunked?

>>10583958
The tragic thing about this thread is that Kojima-fags, because of how triggered they clearly are in this dumpster-fire of a thread, are now going to forever associate Ghost Recon with some random anon trying to fuck with them, because they're all schizoid autists, just like how on /k/ the SA80 has become associated with the one shitposter, "Warriortard".

Thanks OP.

>>10586382
The only thing good about MGS2 was the russian bitch with hairy armpits.

>>10584062
ummm the ukraine needs you... mykola

>>10584502
conflict was brewing there for decades dumbass. its not like it happened over night.

>>10587385
Sounds like an excuse to criticize GR for getting something right, while elevating Kojima for vaguely getting a rough generalization sort of half-right.

>>10584558
you seriously need to go back to ledd it or resetera

>>10584062
>predicting advanced societies isn't

Who predicted an advanced society?

>>10587404
>go back to ledd-it or resetera
>for pointing out communist subversion

He would be banned almost immediately.

>>10587151
>what is predictive programming/soft disclosure
doesn't anyone know about anything anymore

>>10583958
Everything that happened in MGS2 already was done in Deus Ex, and it was done better in Deus Ex, and actually made sense towards the over-arching plot.

>>10585231
the legal age of consent and the penalties for statutory rape don't care about your feelings pedanon

>>10587804
Legal age of consent in New York is 16.

>>10587771
most kino philosophical moment in gaming

>>10587820
wrong: https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/
i thought pedos were supposed to know the age of consent in every state?

>>10587820
Okay, closeted pedo. You seem to know what age you can fuck kids better than I do.

>>10588040
Okay, closeted pedo. You seem to know what age you can fuck kids better than I do. I agree.

God, the "retro" Tom Clancy games were so good.

What the fuck went wrong with Ubisoft?

>>10588069
Dumbing it down further and further until it reached the carefully market-researched approach for what would be most appealing to the masses.

>>10588054
>what is wikipedia and inline references

>>10585231
>pseud who doesn't even know what 'literally' means
So this is the power of Kojima fanboys.

Kojima just throws a lot of shit on the wall to see what sticks.

Where are my nuclear armed bipedal robots (with built in weakness to be more like my animes)? My clones with dominant blond genes? My white African child soldiers? My nano bots? Shamans with magic tattoos? Floating psychics? Vampires? Superhuman luck powers? My AI created by a British Air Force major controlling the world? Cyborg ninjas? A world economy consisting of nothing but perpetual war between PMCs?

People go through that giant shit heap and collect a speckle of something somewhat realistic and jerk themselves off over his brilliant vision.