/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10552872
Probably, there's still homebrew being made for it and recently the karaoke peripheral has been hacked to accept any karaoke CD you feed it.

>>10552872
Rollback netplay.

I love my MiSTer but i hate these hypothetical threads, especially from people who dont know what they're talking about. Less powerful doesnt necessarily mean easier for FPGA.

>>10552907
You think PS2, Gamecube and Xbox are easier?

Hard to say, realistically probably just a lot of refinements like save states for the cores that don't have it. Interesting that the N64 core is more finished than the Saturn core now, but I suspect Saturn will get polished up next year which will be nice. I don't think Dreamcast will happen on the DE-10 nano and I'm not paying Mars FPGA any mind until we actually see proof that the fucking thing works and is viable.

>>10553050
This is a competent post. For all who wonder what the mister can do, this is it. Also note: mister still cant play multiple consoles/computers 6th gen and below. It's capable, but just no implementation.

The fuck does this thing do that RGB-PI and Batocera doesnt do?

>>10553061
Plays games perfectly. Has a good user interface.

>>10553061
lowest possible input and audio lag outside of using real hardware on a CRT

>>10553061
Can make you seethe

>>10552872
3DO/Jaguar is what's next.

>>10552915
It's not one or the other. The clock speed just isn't there.

>>10553075
Only if you use SNACs for each console.

>>10552872
I'll buy one if it can actually play Dreamcast, because dreamcast emulation blows.

>so Mister is fully accurate to the original hardware?
>yes
>so if I play a PS1 game it will be exactly as if I were playing it on a real PS1?
>well no, the PS1 core isn't quite finished yet, there's still additional work to be done for it to be 100% accurate to the original hardware, but it will be someday
>which cores are finished?
>none of them

>>10553170
Works on my machine

>>10552872
>What's next for NIGGer?
the rope. for that trash, and for its cultists

>>10553170
I have a mod-chipped PS1 console and still burn CD-R's to play games on my 27" Sony Trinitron ProFeel CRT TV. Hell yeah, feels good man.

>>10553608
>mod-chipped
so not original hardware then

>>10553146
This is also emulation

>>10552872
Your $615 low-end PC is a waste of money. Gaming PC's will always be the superior option.

>>10552872
Death, hopefully.

>>10553660
MiSTer is not a computer.

>>10553710
It is a computer. It functions exactly like one. To say that it's not, is like saying Sonic is not a hedgehog.

>>10553759
>It functions exactly like one
No it does not. Most computers do not have an FPGA in them.

>>10553774
>FPGA
Is just a motherboard with a built-in graphics card.

>>10553774
Not trying to help the nigger you're arguing with because he's annoying, but the FPGA does have a SoC (System on a Chip). The main menu is running linux, which loads the roms/unzips them etc...

>>10553823
Yes, but that isn't like most computers and it doesn't do general computer things.

>>10553834
It literally can anon. It's fucking linux, you can terminal into and just load a DE on it.

>>10553849
Would that all run on the ARM part of the SoC?

>>10553853
Yes, slowly.

whats the point of something like this? why buy a separate emulator board for each console instead of just a decent PC

>>10553969
>why buy a separate emulator board for each console instead of just a decent PC
Because MiSTer is better than software emulators.

>>10553969
Cycle accuracy, analog output, and no OS overhead.

>>10553975
>>10553982
ok but just play on original hardware then for accuracy. Who thinks emulation isn't good enough but wouldn't just use the real thing? Why buy a dedicated overpriced emulation box. If you

>>10553987
if you are autistic enough about accuracy you wouldn't want an imitation like this.

>>10553987
Original hardware will never have the ability to output 1080p and 240p at the same time and with no analog video artifacts. Arcade PCBs are expensive too and so are flash carts (good ones anyway).

>>10553987
Fuck wire jungles.

>>10552872
But the N64 core is still only 100% accurate.

>>10553987
>just buy a bunch of expensive arcade pcbs and obscure handhelds
no

>>10554004
Just emulate. Why buy a bunch of prebuilt emulators that cost as much as original hardware?

>>10554009
Just buying every CPS1 board alone would be thousands of dollars.

>>10554017
oh ok I get it then. Thanks. Really niche shit. Not for nintendos

>>10554009
Because I want something cycle accurate, MAME is notorious for playing arcade games at the wrong speed.

>>10554009
>Why buy a bunch of prebuilt emulators that cost as much as original hardware?
Why come into a thread and just be retarded?

>>10554023
It's by definition emulation since they are imitating the functions of the original hardware with different components.

>>10554032
Who is arguing this?

>paying money for a prebuilt emulator

>>10552872
There are diminishing returns on Dreamcast, which is an absracted platform that actually runs a Windows CE kernal.

>>10553050
>Saturn
The Saturn dev is working in the middle of the Ukraine war, what's amazing is he has delivered anything at all.

>>10553987
That's a good option if you only play nintendo games, but I like to play on Amiga, c64, vic20, AppleII, MSX, AtariST as well as Atari, Sega and NEC consoles. Just the cost of a NEO GEO SD cart costs more than a Mister.

>>10554047
He's inquiring disingenuously, every mister thread has the same fags doing this shit because poor and no life.

>>10554019
Oh. What a shame mister devs prioritize playing on a cheap LCD over that then.

>>10554060
>ESL

>>10554047
Retroarch is $0. Imagine paying for emulation

>>10554053
If you were wealthy you would just buy original hardware. This sounds like a product exclusively for autistic poorfags who have a phobia of free emulation.

>>10554070
Ghetto option.

dreamcast isn't 6th generation lmao

>>10554070
>Retroarch is $0.
Still too much for dealing with this meme

>>10553993
Mister is convenient.

>>10554075
>pays for a knockoff emulator
Yep it's the ghetto

>>10554074
I do have original hardware, who wants all that rotting plastic shitting up the TV room? I bet you play zsnes on a handmedown dell in your mom's basement.

Some good commits coming for c64 soon, getting those real edge cases out.

>>10554097
>im really rich and you are poor and that's why this prebuilt emulator I spent $600 was a good purchase
Can you share some other financial strategies to help me get on your level

>>10552872
Mister is done.

Mars is the next step. They are paying devs to work on cores. Dreamcast and above has been promised.

And Mars is an actual *complete* product. Unlike Mister, you don't have to order bits and pieces from random pieces and assemble it all yourself. Plus all this arguing about what components are necessary.

Mars is the true next step.

>>10554108
For starters it only cost $300, which to a person with a job is equivalent to $0.

>>10552872
What is the blue board in the bottom right part of the picture?

>>10554123
venmo me $300

>>10554125
USB jumper.

>>10554125
its genitals

>>10554123
Damn you get paid infinite? What job?

>>10554116
>going from open source community driven project to closed source Analogue style product
Massive downgrade.

>>10554132
>ESL

>>10552872
3DO, Jaguar, Virtual Boy, and actual progress on the Saturn core.

>>10554140
>if you don't waste $800 on prebuilt emulators you are a poor mexican

>>10554153
Yes.

>>10554116
>closed source

No thanks.

>>10554139
>>10554159
>I only want to tinker and play with my electronics.
OK. Bye. All 3 of you can go away. Mars is coming. The rest of us will enjoy it.

>>10554153

>>10554175
>consoomer

MiSTer FPGA is much more than playing games.

>>10554175
The only thing we've seen of it are the awful Hyperspin ricer shit UI and promises it can play Midway kusoge.

>>10553969
Because these guys are shills trying to sell a $615 emulator box to any idiot who would fall for it. It's all one huge $615 dollar scam.

>>10554181
What? You stick your dick into a MiSTer? Gay.

>>10554176
Why are you spending your monthly salary on an emulator?

>>10553982
Most cores aren’t completely cycle accurate though, except Genesis and Neo-Geo. And the developer of the PSX core even said the PSX core will never be cycle accurate due to memory limitations.

shouldnt they focus on improving the base cores rather than adding cores that you need to spend even more money on memory/modules to be able to run?

I wonder if it would be possible to make something like an iPod core for MiSTer? There are so many mobile games that are lost media because there's literally no way to play them now

>>10554208
Yes. How did you know?

>>10554116
If the price of the MiSTer bothers you now, wait until you find out that $700 was only the initial estimated cost. It's ringing closer to $1,000 which I don't mind paying if Dreamcast is promised day one.

>>10554265
It would be worth getting a MARS rather than a MiSTer.

>>10554265
You can buy a Dreamcast right now and burn CDs for a tenth of that

>>10554265
I own a Dreamcast, MODE is installed and so is the HDMI output.

>>10554265
Okay, wake me up when FPGAs are both cheaper and exponentially more capable than the DE10-Nano's

>>10554287
I have a Dreamcast hooked up to VGA and I wouldn't mind consolidating my consoles into one setup.

>>10554305
I think there are diminishing returns now on FPGA implementation. A system like Dreamcast is abstracted and runs a Windows CE kernel, now some games would hit the metal but that's probably the line for FPGA utility.

>>10554235
Most cores are cycle accurate. Genesis and NeoGeo are reverse engineered from decapped silicon, as are many arcade cores. But cores like c64 etc are definitely cycle accurate, there have been some edge case glitches on display effects or audio but the hardware is always exactly on the cycle.

>>10554305
Then build a Gaming PC.

>>10554334
>wheezy gaming pc next to TV

Don't tell me you game at your desk in your bedroom?

I love how Mister fans seethe at the idea Mars being popular. It's like they can't handle not being able to brag about their latest emulation box anymore because a new better emulation box replaced it.

>>10554359
Is mars popular though? Where can I buy one?

>>10554359
You have an unhealthy obsession anon. Seek help.

>>10553710
>>10553759
How the hell do these threads derail into retarded semantics that have fuck all to do with the actual functionality of the MiSTer?

>>10554380
Retarded faggots keep falling for the same bait made in every thread like clockwork, so the poor south americans keep using it.

>>10554175
Why should we go away this is a mister thread, you fuck off!

>>10554126
sent ;^)

>>10554393
In a few months this is going to be a Mars FPGA thread.

>>10554360
>Is mars popular though?
Mars has almost the same amount of followers on social media compared to Mister. And they got them much faster than Mister did. So yes, I would say it's popular.

>Where can I buy one?
From their main website in early to mid 2024. They are still testing it before launch.

We can confirm from their tests and sharing info with the community that it has:

- 4K video output at 4:4:4.
- Shadow mask and scanline filters courtesy of Mike Chi of RetroTINK.

-High-quality analog video with support for:
RGBS
YPbPr
S-video
composite
and JAMMA

>>10554425
>-High-quality analog video with support for:
>RGBS
>YPbPr
>S-video
>composite
>and JAMMA
MiSTer can do that already.

>>10552872
Someone was working on a laserdisc core.

>>10554325
>Most cores are cycle accurate.
Which cores are most cores champ?

>>10554486
Stop being a faggot and just name the ones that aren't. Look up what cycle accurate means first, it doesn't mean perfectly accurate, but that the appropriate instructions take the correct amount of cycles to execute. I bet your dumbass thinks cycle accurate = perfect.

>>10554492
>that the appropriate instructions take the correct amount of cycles to execute
Genuine question, how would you even know whether this was happening while playing? Like do you play Sonic and go “oh man these instructions are fucking ACCURATE as shit dawg!”

>>10554506
On rare occasion games use it as an anti-emulation check. The NES classics on GBA do it, for example. At a stretch, you might need it for accurate slowdown emulation.

>>10554425
>- 4K video output at 4:4:4.
>- Shadow mask and scanline filters courtesy of Mike Chi of RetroTINK.
Okay, now I'm interested.

So, can this thing play N64, Dreamcast, Saturn, Xbox, PS2 and PS3 yet?

>>10553632
>mister thread
>you aren't using real hardware!

>>10554506
You can definitely tell going from original systems to software emulation, I doubt anyone could tell the difference between fpga and original systems though.

>>10554583
pebkac

>>10552872
>vga
>labeled ypbpr
???

>>10554616
>she doesn't know

>>10554626
???

>>10554657
You get a converter to go from VGA -> SCART, then another converter to go from SCART -> Composite AV then another converter to go from Composite -> RF then you connect that to a PCI TV tuner card to go from RF -> MPG then you play that from your PC and output to HDMI then a cable to go from HDMI -> DP then a converter to go from DP -> Wifi then a Raspberry Pi (or Arduino) with Wifi connectivity to receive the signal and use an add-on board to convert it to Chroma-Luminescence which, with a little bit of soldering you can directly convert to YPbPr.

>>10554359
>I love how Mister fans seethe at the idea Mars being popular.
You’re talking about the same group of people, the vast majority of people buying Mars will already have a DE-10.

>>10554583
lmao this is such bullshit. You just have a bad emulation setup. A good software emulation setup is better than mister by far.

>>10554921
>A good software emulation setup is better than mister by far.
If it was this topic wouldn’t exist.

>>10555065
>contrarians do not exist
is this your first day on the internet?

>>10554429
>MiSTer can do that already.
Not out of the box. You have to buy the needed components and assemble it.

Mars is "no assembly required". It comes with everything you need.

>>10555265
> Mars is "no assembly required". It comes with everything you need.
As it should considering it’s double the price of a basic MiSTer build.

>>10555329
A "basic" Mister build can't even run Saturn games correctly. You need more than bare minimum.

>>10554349
>desk
I don't use a desk. I use multiple storage shelves and a portable adjustable foldable personal table. Saves a lot of space since the storage shelves has all my games, movies, music CD's, consoles, Gaming PC, stereo sysyem, printer/scanner, HDTV(sitting on top of the middle shelf), Amazon Echo, etc, etc. My keyboard/mouse is sits on top of my Gaming PC until I pull out my portable table to put my mouse and keyboard on there. Also my Gaming PC is quiet. So "wheezy" sounds like a "you" problem due to a bad custom built or buying a pre-built.

>>10554380
What's retarded is beLIEving that the MiSTer is NOT a micro low-end PC or that the "cores" being used are not "emulators". Just because you re-word or rename something, doesn't change the fact that the cores are emulators or that the MiSTer is a low-end micro PC.

>>10552872
>What's next for Mister?
First, they'll have to ask for my permission. If I'm in a good mood, Mister will keep improving. If I'm not, then the whole project will be canned and closed-source.

>>10555398
A “basic” $350 build will play the Saturn core.

>>10552872
Being able to buy it at a reasonable price without waiting 2 months for shipping.

>>10555441
>the cores are emulators or that the MiSTer is a low-end micro PC.
Almost, the cores are emulators and it’s running things that the best available desktop CPU cannot run at a single fps, it’s not a PC lol.

>>10555470
No anon. Tell us exactly what components you use and where you bought them. You aren't allowed to be vague and still quote prices.

>>10555472
Retrocastle have nice pre-built units for sale, two weeks for shipping.

>>10555482
https://youtu.be/QYUCoNGpQok?feature=shared

>>10554298
We have it good with the DE-10 Nano right now actually. FPGAs tend to cost in the thousands, but thanks to Intel, the DE-10 is cheap.

>>10555479
>the best available desktop CPU cannot run at a single fps
I call bullshit since I know for a fact that the MiSTer is not powerful enough to handle modern PC games. A well built gaming PC can run and emulate the majority of consoles with ease.

>it's not a PC
Correct, it's a micro-PC.

>>10555482
You got me. A fully built MiSTer is $615!

>>10555540
>MiSTer is not powerful enough to handle modern PC games
Poor trolling, if you are going to be this dumb on purpose at least try and be funny!

>>10555552
I just saved you $150, say thank you!

>>10555584
Impressive. Especially if it has all the bells and whistles.

>>10555579
What's dumb is thinking a MiSTer is more powerful than the most up-to-date Gaming PC.

I was in a voice at a particular FPGA developer's Patreon Discord, and some guys were streaming a frankenstein core that is basically suppose to let you port "modern" games onto the core. They were doing some preliminary testing and got SuperTux booting but with low fps. I don't fully understand how it works but I just heard Motorola X68000 schematics were used as the base.

>>10555673
I was there too and this was weeks ago, why are you just posting about it now as if anyone here knows or gives a fuck?

Also, there is no X before the 68000 unless you are referring to Sharp's X68000.

>>10555672
I said try and be funny! Standards are slipping around here, very disappointing to see.

>>10555584
>I just saved you $150, say thank you!
Show us what it actually comes with inside and the shipping.

>>10555708
Are you so badly informed on the subject that you haven’t even seen these builds before and know nothing about them? Why exactly are you participating in this topic if you know so little about it?

>>10555708
Google it you simpleton.

Please stop responding to that one guy. It is a lost cause, like all the other "that one guys" /vr/ has.

>>10555708
They can't answer that because it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of a premium MiSTer build.

>>10555810
I can confirm. I paid $615 for a completed MiSTer.

>>10555883
At least you're honest and not giving the runaround.

>>10555883
...Why? The whole point of MiSTer is to make it your own. If you have to buy a prebuilt kit maybe MiSTer isn't for you. How would you even know to start another installation if something happened to your SD card that you didn't buy yourself either?

>>10555929
I bought a completed MiSTer for several reasons...1) takes out the guess work. 2) I have the funds to do so. 3) don't wanna clutter my entertainment center with consoles. Although I respect the hell out of the people who do own and collect consoles.

Also I'm actually able to switch SD cards, not relevant.

>>10555948
>Although I respect the hell out of the people who do own and collect consoles.

As an active and ethusiastic console collector. Thank you.

>>10555810
It doesn’t? What’s missing?24G

Jotego's gonna do CPS3 in a year or two hopefully, that's what I want most. Maybe some early 3D arcade cores, early 90s racing games and stuff, I don't know how hard that is on DE-10 though.

>>10555419
Defensive response = bitch made.

>>10555441
Sub-wit take.

>>10554260
CAN SOMEONE ANSWER FOR FUCK'S SAKE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>10556161
Your question is nonsense, but it would be better to use software emulation in this case

>>10556024
Nah. Mars FPGA is probably going to get CPS3 first. Extra horsepower makes things much easier.

>>10556190
How so? I thought it could be possible to make an FPGA implementation of older mobile phones and the like
Of course I realize the cellular capabilities would be impossible to implement with FPGA which is why I mentioned an iPod (also because there are no iPod emulators), but still if it was at least possible to load whatever ROM the device uses... there could be a way

>>10556198
Are there any platforms which it looks like Mars will support but MiSTer never will?

>>10556198
>horsepower

i think you have a fundamental lack of understanding.

>>10555065
Cope. You got scammed because you are too stupid to put together an emulation setup

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>>10556204
>Are there any platforms which it looks like Mars will support but MiSTer never will?
Well Dreamcast for sure. It's their biggest selling point. They also said all Mister cores will run on launch. They are still discussions if it can be pushed to Gamecube/Xbox/PS2.

>>10556214
>i think you have a fundamental lack of understanding.

I think you are a fool that doesn't realize that there is a hierarchy of FPGA boards and hardware. And Mars is more powerful and has higher end components. That's the whole point.

>>10556204
Dreamcast, PolyGame Master, 3DO and Jaguar are all currently in discussion for Mars.

>>10556448
Not in discussion. In Active development.

Crono and Marle at Millennial Fair.
His video stutters.

>>10556445
CPS3 is possible on the DE-10, the only problem is the time needed to create the core as it has so many custom chips, better hardware won’t make it happen any sooner.

>>10556062
>>10556073
Lazy low IQ responses.

nesticle was the peak of emulation

>>10556716
Yes, but only because back then we cared more about being able to play video games rather than obsessing over "m-muh accuracy" and "m-muh video quality".

>>10556403
real hardware > all that gay shit

>>10556563
jotego is being strategical about it. he knows that the moment the CPS3 core is released, he will loose a bunch of patreon supporters.

If a MiSTer cost $10, everyone would buy one no arguments. But because it costs $300 we have pic related.

>>10556854
No one but fools would waste money on this overpriced underpowered emulation box.

>>10556801
I remember discovering SNES emulation back in the late 90s. It was cool for a few days but once the novelty wore off it felt like a cheap imitation of a real SNES.

>>10556917
If you say so. Now that you've said your piece please leave

>>10556917
>I bet those grapes taste like shit anyway

>>10557068
The MiSTer aren't grapes. It's a huge pile of dog shit.

>>10556854
but the fox was right. those grapes would have tasted terrible. grapes are toxic to canines.

mister on the other hand rules. it fucking rules.

>>10556854
>If a MiSTer cost $10, everyone would buy one no arguments

if I could buy a 4060 for $10 dollars I'd buy 20

doesn't mean they're anywhere near the best gpu

>>10557272
So you'd spend $200 on 4060 GPUs?

>>10557275
yes and mine bitcoin

>>10556854
>buys overpriced emulator
>hey man I think you overpaid for an underpowered RPi
>heh… sour grapes!

Last night I dreamt that MiSTer threads were banned on /vr/, and I think it was an improvement.

remember MiSTer? it's MiSSer now

>>10557301
everything is diminishing returns. you can do what mister does in the broad sense of playing old games with good accuracy and not a lot of lag with a smartphone and a bluetooth controller for free. you could do that for free on any pc or any console made since the psp. you probably find something about those setups inadequate, so you at least play with something like retroarch on pc. someone else might find that inadequate display-wise and will pay $75 for a crt-pi setup. someone else might find that inadequate input delay-wise and pay $300-600 for a mister setup. each successive step brings improvements over the smartphone + bluetooth controller setup but is in no way necessary to just enjoy the games. it just depends on how much of a fuck you give.
i have a bunch of real console + flashcart/mod setups and a mister. the mister is immensely more expensive than it needs to be to play the games it does, but so are modded consoles. the mister is more reliable than several of my aging consoles, and more convenient than all of them. i bought most of the console stuff when i was younger and had more time energy to expend on tinkertranny impulses; the mister gets me enjoying games more simply and efficiently with minimal compromises to fidelity. not everyone needs one and it would make more sense if it was cheaper but there is a reasonable use case. there's neither a need to feel like you're missing out on something amazing by not having one or to cajole people for buying it; as long as they didn't take out a loan to afford it i'm sure they're at peace about it.

>>10557304
The autism that goes into hating this device is incredible.

>>10557348
>the mister is immensely more expensive than it needs to be to play the games it does
A Darksoft CPS2 kit will set you back close to 1k on it's own, I paid $360 to get the same experience. It's SO cheap for what you get.

>>10557451
the only reason to buy real hardware is to show off about it in the first place.

>>10557451
An sd cart for a neogeo costs $600.

>>10557458
Software emulation of the CPS2 is inaccurate, HLE qsound, no CPU wait states, no DMA timings. If you are a casual this stuff is no problem, you don’t care if multiple games run at the wrong speed or don’t sound as they should. So there are very good reasons to buy real hardware, which you can now get the same experience of for a fraction of the price thanks to Jotego.

>>10556854
If aliexpress chink gamer pc's with lots of rgb lights cost $10 everyone would buy one too, I'd buy one for every TV in my home, in my parents home too, I'd buy them as birthday gifts for every child and teen in the family.
The Casio F91w has been the best selling wristwatch in the world for decades and costs $10. I have one. The light is terrible at night. Still unbeatable quality for the price. But I wouldn't pay $300 for it.

>>10555757
it's not one guy. Most of /vr/ knows this is a scam and get sick of blatant shill threads

>>10557348
Why would you jump straight to the scam product instead of doing a superior retroarch CRT setup

Do misterfag really think a pi or original hardware is the only way to play on a CRT? lol

>still can't emulate Windows 9x
literally garbage

>>10557601
>superior retroarch
lmao
>Do misterfag really think a pi or original hardware is the only way to play on a CRT?
The only way? OF course not. A much easier way? Yes. With the advantage of not having to use garbage tier hardware like a Pi or garbage tier software like Retroarch.

>>10553135
It's nothing to do with 'clock speed', it's availability of logic gates in the FPGA to implement all the necessary components of the console. More complex consoles require more logic gates and therefore a larger FPGA. The Cyclone V in the DE10 Nano will be practically at capacity with the N64 implementation so anything more complex than that is out of the question.

just implement better

>>10554126
Uploading 20%

>>10557654
It’s clock speed AND the amount of logic elements on the DE-10 that prevents that generation of console from happening.

>>10557602
I would buy one if it could emulate a decent Windows 98 machine and a couple of the high compatibility GPUs from the era.

>>10557279
>yes and mine bitcoin
You're 10 years too late. You would end up paying more in electricity bills than actually earning from bitcoins. Only those who got into bitcoins super early or have huge warehouses of GPUs mining bitcoins will actually earn a profit.

>>10557654
>It's nothing to do with 'clock speed', it's availability of logic gates
It's both you dum dum. That's why Mars is better than Mister in every way.

>>10556563
>CPS3 is possible on the DE-10
Maybe. They've already said they are doing CPS3 for Mars. You need to update your hardware. De-10 is old.

>>10557712
>>10557602
I actually have win98 loaded on my mister in the 486 core.

>>10557838
If thars true then I think it's time I retire my Mister and buy Mars.

>>10557838
Who said they are doing CPS3 for Mars? I’ve seen them post clips of Naomi and Dreamcast posts of CPS3 games but nothing about CPS3 itself unless I missed something? Jotego has already worked on a couple of the hardware’s chips, it will happen on the DE-10.

Yep the DE-10 is old, but there’s not a thing I can replace it with right now, nor are is there a single developed core that could actually take advantage of better specs either. Anyway, I bought a DE-10 for what it supports and it’s been well worth it, don’t really need anything else at the moment.

>>10557885
Many such cases! Everyone clammers for CPS3 or Dreamcast, the reality is, if these were added people would try them and then never play anything on them. The CPS3 library is tiny and its all fighting games, its hard to believe people are itching to play fighting games single player.

>>10557823
You mean Mars is better than the DE-10. MiSTer is framework to launch and run cores core like Retroarch is for PC’s, it won’t stay on this hardware forever. It will be interesting to see how the Agilex FPGA range shapes up and what they cost.

>>10557906
In fact won’t Mars be running MiSTex? It will basically be the same thing under the hood if that is what they are relying on.

>>10556854
I wouldn't even spend $1 on it. It holds no value to me. If I wanted to buy something that cost $615+ for emulating old games, I may as well be buying and building a gaming PC. But a lot of my consoles has flash carts, ODE's, HDMI converters, mClassic, and are hacked(SNES mini, Genesis mini, PS3, etc). Thus making the MiSTer absolutely 100% useless trash.

>>10557885
>Who said they are doing CPS3 for Mars?
They've been teasing CPS3 on their social media for a while now. So we know it's in production for Mars.

>>10557896
>The CPS3 library is tiny and its all fighting games
Unfortunately Jotego’s patreon voted for CP3 over PGM which has a much better library of games imho.

>>10557928
They’ve teased Dreamcast and Naomi ports of CPS3 games, again where are the tweets directly related to CPS3 hardware? Who is developing the core?

Or is this a case of them posting wish list hardware that they would like to do but isn’t actually happening?

>>10557840
486 isn't going to be running any win98 games at playable framerates and if it doesn't also emulate at least a voodoo3 there's no point

>>10557363
>hating this device
Lemme fix it for you:
>hating its shills

>>10557986
>>hating its shills
Wait, there are people who don't own a MiSTer but are pretending to in an attrempt to get others to buy it? Is that what's happening here?

>>10557927
Smart man. Never let these MiSTer cultists shame ya into buying one.

>>10558034
Buy a Mister!

>>10558012
I don't know if they own it or not, if they like it or not. All I know is there are people profiting from selling MiSTers (and FPGA trinkets in general) and exaggerating (or lying) about its features and other options. That's the issue.

At least from me, I've never even addressed a single hate towards MiSTer fans, just towards to the shills. You can see they go nuts if you expose even a small thing wrong with the device.

>>10557943
They are hiring people to develop cores. It's not like they have to disclose the names of all their employees to the public. This isn't the Mister project.

>>10557984
No one asked.

>>10558048
>exaggerating (or lying) about its features and other options.
such as? ive never seen this done

>>10558048
The same shit as in any hardware discussion thread, go talk about Pi’s and someone will tell you there is no lag or the emualtion is perfect. If it annoys you just stop reading , it’s not hard lol.

>You can see they go nuts if you expose even a small thing wrong with the device.
An example of which is? Because the only responses I see in this thread are non owners being repeatedly corrected for being wrong about one thing or another.

>>10553061
Nothing really, mister is just another emulation box that is fairly accurate for the most part. Not that anyone can actually notice it unless its pointed out to them.
Also has lower input lag than e.g. a pi4 so people with slow reflexes have a slightly easier time playing games.
Just buy a PC.

boy these threads were cancer before with the shitposting from people who don't really get what a MiSTer even is but now we also have to hear from people shilling an Analogue-style device that isn't even for sale yet? holy shit. can we talk about Dancing Eyes or Neo Drift Out instead

>>10558067
It’s all open source, we know who is developing their arcade, 3D0 and Dreamcast/Naomi cores. Buy nothing about CPS3 becuase there is zero indication anyone but Jotego is intending to do it, you’re pulling this out of your ass with nothing to back it up.

>>10558118
Dancing Eyes is rad, would love to see FPGA for PS1 based hardware but doubt it will happen anytime soon.

>FPGA thread
>devolves into console war faggotry somehow
really makes you think

>>10558121
>you’re pulling this out of your ass with nothing to back it up.
they do this every mister thread, and anons still reply to it

>>10557943
They've been dropping hints about a CPS3 core for Mars on Twitter. I don't have all the Tweets in front of me, but you can dig through their post history if you really, really, really, care. Either way its eventually going to come to either Mister or Mars. It's just a matter of time. Though if Mars pays money to make it happen quicker for their platform, then they most likely will get it first.

>>10558129
>FPGA thread
>devolves into console war faggotry somehow
>really makes you think

FPGA thread was originally about Mister owners bragging about their purchase, and shitting on software emulation users.

But now that a competitor has shown up (Mars), suddenly Mister fans are doing the same shit everyone did to them. Mister fans are questioning if Mars is even real, then saying Mars isn't popular, then saying Mars has no hype, then saying Mars is vaporware, then questioning the annoinced price, then talking about how's Mars is not worth it, then saying how they can "build" a Mister for cheaper, and now it's questioning which consoles that Mars can do or can't do. Mister fans getting super defensive, and demanding evidence over the smallest things.

They thought Mister would be the only FPGA emulation box, and didn't expect others to show up. Ironic isn't it?

>>10558169
>They thought Mister would be the only FPGA emulation box, and didn't expect others to show up.
How can it be the only emulation FPGA box when others existed before and it’s forked from MiST? No one thought this, other platforms were always going to turn up at some point and it’s great that they are.

Everything you listed about Mars is perfectly reasonable discussion, competely expected and the norm. Their marking and information was initially very poor, no wonder people were sceptical and talked about it like that. Of course people are discussing what it can potentially run or not, the fuck else do you think people are supposed to talk about lol.

> Ironic isn't it?
No, it isn’t at all.

>>10558169
insanely gay post

>>10558034
Exactly. Plus they brag about "accuracy" and yet they have trouble emulating the Sega Saturn, which I saw a comparison video that exposes that the MiSTer had flaws trying to run it. Which makes me glad I stayed with original hardware and not put any trust into these FPGA devices. Even the ANALog has some issues, despite having "FPGA".

>>10558186
>forked from MiST
Doesn't count. No one cares about MiST. No one made repeated dedicated threads about it here. YouTubers didn't latch onto FPGA until Mister.

>Their marking and information was initially very poor, no wonder people were sceptical and talked about it like that. Of course people are discussing what it can potentially run or not
Mars is going to run everything Mister can and more since Mars has more powerful hardware. It's simply a matter of time. No amount of questioning or whining will change that. It's also an actual completed product, and not a hobby garage kit like Mister. Just accept it.

>No, it isn’t at all.
This is like NES owners getting upset that the SNES is coming out and complaining about it.

You spent $600 dollars on your Mister. You had your fun. But your FPGA generation is over. Mars is here.

Relax anon.

>>10558169
>But now that a competitor has shown up (Mars), suddenly Mister fans are doing the same shit everyone did to them.
MiSTer owners are the ones who will be buying the vast majority of Mars units you dimwit, it’s the same crowd. They’re asking a ton of questions because they want it to be better than what they already have, if Mars had done a better job with their marketing all this stuff would have been cleared up and not left everyone guessing.

>>10558191
MiSTer Shill detected.

>>10558198
>Plus they brag about "accuracy" and yet they have trouble emulating the Sega Saturn
The core is still in development, judge it once it’s actually complete.

>>10558203
who would they even be shilling for? fucking Terasic? Porkshop Express?

>>10558198
FPGA has just become the new buzzword in the gaming community. Like how everyone slapped "HD" on everything or "4K". They don't actually examine the quality of HD or 4K footage. Nope just slap on the label and move.

I fully expect knock offs from China to be flooding the market soon. Expect to to see ads for "Buy 4K HD FPGA PANDORA BOX 20,000 IN 1" from Aliexpress

>>10558201
>You spent $600 dollars on your Mister. You had your fun. But your FPGA generation is over. Mars is here.

I spent $360 on my DE-10, this isn’t the last hardware MiSTer will exist on. It it’s good I will buy Mars too, don’t give a shit who makes and maintains this stuff.

>>10558202
>MiSTer owners are the ones who will be buying the vast majority of Mars
Maybe not. I know people that didn't buy Mister because of the assembly and tinkering needed.

(It also didn't help that a few people were showing off how cheap they could make Misters with their cardboard box abortions.)

But these people are interested in Mars because it's a "no assembly required" product and looks legit.

>>10558169
You're very fucking retarded, first of all, because everything you said was pulled out of your ass. The demographic for MARS will be the current MiSTer userbase because we can actually afford alternative and novel solutions for a device that consolidates as many consoles as possible.

Second of all, Analogue is another FPGA emulation solution that has been around but with actual marketing.

>>10558206
>core
You mean emulator? It's the same thing bro. While your emulator is still in "development", I can turn on my Sega Saturn and play it right now!

>>10558210
True.

>>10558219
Yeah. I didn't buy a Mister because the whole thing looked kinda ghetto and unrefined. But I gotta admit that Mars looks slick with its black custom box. I wouldn't be ashamed to display Mars in my entertainment center.

>>10558221
>You're very fucking retarded
Wow Misterfags are getting really salty over Mars.

>>10558169
Agreed. If the MARS turns out to be more popular than the MiSTer, the MiSTer cult will screech!

>>10558219
>But these people are interested in Mars because it's a "no assembly required" product and looks legit.

Cool, I hope it offers what they are looking for.

>>10558240
Why is the MiSTer community going to screech when we're the primary demographic for the MARS?

>>10558317
You misspelled "cult". They will screech because the MiSTer Cult just wasted $615 and refuse to spend more money on it's competitor(MARS). The likely demographic to buy MARS is the people who didn't jump on the MiSTer bandwagon.

>>10558371
>$615
$350 which is still cheap as fuck for what you get. If Mars does what they promise then I will buy that too, it’s an alternative option that is very welcome, I don’t consider it a competitor at all, that’s dumb.

>First off, MARS is a piece of hardware that is similar to a small console, or set-top box. Once again, the release date is most likely early 2024 and they’re aiming for a $700 price point. There will be worldwide distribution as well. Your $700 purchase will get you everything you need inside an injection-molded case, with no other hardware required…other than bringing your own controller / controller adapter / etc. While this is double the price of a “barebones” MiSTer setup, it’s really not much more expensive than a fully-loaded setup. Also, you’re only paying for the hardware: There’s absolutely no paywall or “upgrade” for cores and software – You pay for one piece of hardware, that’s it.

>While this is double the price of a “barebones” MiSTer setup, it’s really not much more expensive than a fully-loaded setup.

Source: https://www.retrorgb.com/mars-multi-arcade-retro-system.html

So the $615 price isn't a meme after all. The bare bones setup is what? $350? $400? Interesting.

>>10558390
Look at... ---> >>10558404

>>10553146
>dreamcast emulation blows
Grandpa, NullDC isn't in vogue anymore.

>>10558404
>There’s absolutely no paywall or “upgrade” for cores and software – You pay for one piece of hardware, that’s it.
No Jotego cores then?

>>10558404
So the $615 price isn't a meme after all.
It’s the price that a single seller charges with a lot of that cost going toward a milled aluminium case which you really don’t need. Full setups, even those that a pre-built can be had for much less.

>>10558317
>Why is the MiSTer community going to screech when we're the primary demographic for the MARS?
Let me explain this to you.

You are not the core audience anymore.

Mars appeals to a wider base of people than Mister ever could for the sheer fact that Mars is a completed and FULLY ASSEMBLED product.

Prepare to see a lot more new people joining the FPGA community once Mars comes out.

>>10558418
>No Jotego cores then?
I don't care who makes the core as long as it runs properly. So no. I'm not attached to "Jotego" or anyone else. If he wants to work on Mars, then fine. If not, then I'm sure someone else will.

>>10558445
Jotego makes the majority of arcade board MRAs, MARS needs his contributions to be worth it.

>>10558434
Agreed. The MARS is more appealing. The MiSTer will be obsolete.

>>10558434
do you really think there are just layers and layers and layers and layers to the market demographic that is interested in spending hundreds of dollars for an FPGA device? Just limitless untapped potential? Do you work at a startup that is targeting endless growth, by chance? You could ask every single fucking person on your street "what is an FPGA" and all you would get back is a pair of staring eyes while they tilt at you with a broom. This is just like the Analogue crowd, some people just get a suuuuper fucking hard dick over fancy plastic box. and as someone who doesn't own a MiSTer, either--I'm sure interested in the future of the project. I hope it's great. But the venn diagram of potential MiSTer owners, Analogue owners, and MARS owners is a circle. Maybe there's some distinction if you put it under a microscope but make no mistake. Remember that video game people like us literally comprise 5% or less of the video gaming market/world, we're just extremely loud and gay about it.

>>10558371
Most MiSTer owners have the income for a MARS and likely own multiple MiSTers. We already have an appreciation for FPGA solutions so getting a MARS won't be a problem. There are also MiSTer owners in the community who own real hardware but prefer to consolidate their setups into one device.

What I think is really cute is your coping because you're the only one trying to argue something nobody else is. There is a higher chance that you're a South American who I can afford to have under a dependent for my taxes, or on the off chance you're a European who has to pay ridiculous amounts of customs to import a DE-10 Nano. Those grapes don't get any sweeter so just find a thread with a topic you can contribute to.

>>10558494
>do you really think there are just layers and layers and layers and layers to the market demographic that is interested in spending hundreds of dollars for an FPGA device?

There are normies who are interested in buying a fully assembled no hassle emulation box. Yep. 90s kids want to relive their nostalgia.

>>10558532
Wrong, just wrong and I'll tell you why. To say that the MiSTer cult are more likely to buy a MARS is like saying the ANALog community is more likely to buy a MiSTer. It's just not true. Thankfully I'm an American who can see through the b.s. and know a bullshitter when I see one. You'll be coping when you're unable to sell your MiSTer when the MARS comes out.

>>10558545
>90s kids want to relive their nostalgia.
100% agreed. Just look at how well those Nintendo mini and Sega mini emulation boxes sold for. They went for insane prices and were in huge demand when first released. There is a big untapped market for nostalgia. If Mars can tap into the arcade and console nostalgia, then it will sell very well.

>>10558434
Incredibly retarded post.
As a MiSTer owner, I am insanely interested in the MARS (assuming it's all legit, which I believe it is)
I dont even get why you think I wouldnt be? You think I bought the de-10 nano cause it's practically naked? Why the fuck would i buy it for that? I bought it for what it can do. And I'll buy the MARS for what it can do, and the fact it's not naked is a big plus to me

>>10558619
Mini consoles sold because they look like their old counterparts and evoke nostalgia. Mars and mister are shitty emuboxes that people try to hide on the back of their TV.

>>10558626
>no reading comprehension.
>American education
Anon didn't say you won't buy Mars. Anon is saying Mars appeals to a wider demographic of people than just "Mister owners".

>>10558619
You can already buy ching ching emu boxes with every game on them.

>>10558638
>Mars and mister are shitty emuboxes that people try to hide on the back of their TV.
Lmao. What kind of cope is this? Mars looks way better than Mister. Mars is a small unassuming flat black box.

A fully loaded Mister looks like the awful Sega Tower of power with a shit ton of add-ons. Zero style. You call Mister an "emulation box", but half of you people don't even have a box for your Misters. You run them naked, and you're proud of it!

>>10558658
They run at like 10 fps for anything newer than a Sega Genesis.

>>10558667
There are various boards that allow you to build a MiSTer using any Mini ITX case that takes your fancy.

>>10558079
>>10558087
Nah, I don't mean in this thread (I've seen in a few previous ones though). I do say that MiSTer official threads are mostly safe, because it's a gathering place for regular fans of the project. The problem almost always happens outside of here. Not rarely, in a thread talking about emulation or even real hardware, there will be some oddjob hailing MiSTer as the superior choice, out of nowhere. I remember a particular case in which a shill had said the device was even better than the original consoles, because the latter are "rotting" (his words) and cannot produce authentic results anymore. Evidently, people had gotten pissed at him. That kind of shill give a really bad rep about the project. I know that's minority, but, when it happens, it's loud and draws quite a bunch of negative attention.

Just trying to explain some of the hate I see around these threads.

>>10558720
>I remember a particular case in which a shill had said the device was even better than the original consoles
He was right.

>>10558619
>>10558545
you guys are insane thinking that the people who bought PS1 Classics are going to know how to download a romset for anything. Literal boomers bought the NES Classic and stuff like that. They would genuinely not even be able to figure out what a MARS or a MiSTer does. Unless they're going to sell the MARS at Bass Pro Shops and Walmart?

>>10558667
Can you use physical media with Mars or Mister? Then it's a shitty emubox.
Nobody will buy it out of nostalgia, retard.

I can't see mars really taking off, besides being unreasonably expensive. Mister is open source, even the hardware ecosystem. Plus mister has sorgelig, the guy's a genius.

>>10558720
Damn that guy really got under your skin. You need to step away from the internet.

Lol. Misterfanboys really shitting up the thread as soon as you mention Mars.

>>10558619
I'm pretty sure those are the boomers buying analog fpga consoles.

>>10558752
This is a MiSTer thread, not a vaporware thread.

>>10558752
Misterfaanboys care as much about Mars as they do Analogue (they don't care)

Just thought I'd give a few tips on how I play retro games. I built myself a gaming PC for modern games and movies/series, connected to my TV and then started emulating all the consoles up to PS3 and Xbox360 with 4K shaders and internal upscalers for 3D generations with a nice frontend with run-ahead, box art and thumbnails. Looks pretty rad.
Alright, peace.

>>10558761
>This is a MiSTer thread
It's a generic FPGA thread. Let's be real.

>cozy MiSTer/FPGA thread
>check it out
>being derailed by argumentative faggots who are riding the hypetrain for some fucking FPGA rugpull that's not even released yet
stop the planet of the apes, I want to get off!

>>10558827
What frontend do you use?

>>10558862
>Mars it's not real!!
>Mars not released yet!!
>it's vapor ware!!
They've taken Mars to conventions and let people test Mars. It's real. People have already tried it you dum dum.

>>10558931
I hate that I gotta pick a fucking team all of a sudden. all I'm saying is that--there's no reason this had to become a fucking MARS flamewar. Nobody even owns that shit yet.

Lmao. This thread is like karma payback for all the times Misterfags were smug and bragging about their perfect Mister and shitting on the rest of us for not owning one. I wholeheartedly support Mars now.

>>10558931
Whoa be careful anon. Team Mister will demand to know which convention, what state, what time was the Mars on display, what cores it was using, pictures of the event, blood screenings of everyone involved, and video proof with people holding a time stamp standing in front of Mars. Otherwise they will say Mars doesn't exist and you are making it up.

>>10558931
I have a MiSTer but I'm keeping my eye on MARS. May pick one up if it proves itself to live up to the promises.

My only gripe is that the main spokesman of MARS, Atrac17, consistently shows himself to be an A-class dickhole.

>>10553146
Sure, flycast (formerly reicast (formerly nullDC)) still sucks.

But redream works perfectly...

>>10558667
if a woman ever saw that shit in your house they would laugh turn around 360 degrees and walk out the fucking door lmfao

>>10558725
>>10558751
>Ask for examplification
>Get one and act smug
I won't do anything, but don't you complain when people come to shit on your threads. That attitude asks for it. Guess it's more bad rep for MiSTer... Oh, well.

>>10558048
You have yet to provide proof of shilling. Pay stubs, marketing campaigns, anything.
Really weird that this project gets all of the shill accusations but nobody says a damn thing about shilling in the handheld threads.

>>10559083
Damn I got under your skin just by replying to you? You really are a bitch.

>>10559079
Imagine your gf (picel) walks in and sees your pisster and a bunch of tabs open in these threads.

>>10559150
>implying
Settle down. You're not a tad signifcant as you think. I was just being polite to point out your bad attitude. Be free to sperg as you want.

>>10559150
go fuck yourself, larper! Nice falseflag to make Mister users look like cunts. Unsuccessful bait.
>>10559083
stop paying attention to everyone. Those fuckers lurk here shitposting every thread. Ty for the nice intention anyways.

>>10558619
I think the MARS will sell better than a MiSTer. However it will not sell better than a Sega Genesis Mini or a Super Nintendo Mini for the simple fact that thosr mini consoles appeals to a wider audience of both Nintendo and Sega fans. MARS will only appeal to those who are into retro gaming and knows about FPGA. It won't appeal to the average normie.

>>10559269
>>10559236
Seething.

>>10559286
>will only appeal to those who are into retro gaming and knows about FPGA. It won't appeal to the average normie.

So it will appeal to the current MiSTer base.

>>10559358
>So it will appeal to the current MiSTer base.
We said average normie. Not basement dweller or hoarder.

>>10554298
Not going to happen unless FPGAs somehow become mainstream. I have nothing against that mind you, I am not some hipster with a "Now it's mainstream so it sucks" mentality, but FPGAs are a VERY VERY niche thing. They pretty much only have a place in education, low-level electronics hobbyists, and industry... and even then only in specific lines of education since it's only for majors where you would be likely work in said industry using FPGAs.

And industrial FPGAs might utterly blow the DE-10 and even Mars out of the water... they also cost as much as a car. The DE-10 is a joke for anything the industry would use... yet at the same time it's massively overpowered for it's intended purpose of being a FPGA educational tool, despite being about a decade old. So there is practically no incentive for a more powerful version to be released and the ones the industry is using won't be come down to affordable prices in ever since there is no consumer demand for them.

And even with this, the DE-10 is only as cheap as it is due to it being subsidized by the government due to it being intended for education. There are many weaker FPGAs that offer less but cost more (and those are just the FPGA, not a full compute board with an ARM CPU and RAM like the DE-10 has)

So unless FPGAs somehow become mainstream (I can't see how that would happen when the majority are fine with highly inaccurate and broken arm-based trash handhelds from Aliexpress) AND due to this demand someone finds a way to make them cheaper, it's never going to happen. Sucks, the DE-10 is no Raspberry Pi where there IS consumer demand and a lot of competition.

(Picrel, the current most powerful FPGA, it's $10,000. Though the Versal VP1902 Premium FPGA that AMD is releasing next year will supposedly mop the floor with it... and likely cost MUCH more)

>>10559358
The MiSTer base will be less likely to get one because the MARS is a direct competitor.

>>10559405
There are alternatives to the De-10 anon...

>>10555419
post your battlestation bro this sounds interesting

>>10559354
thanks for proving you're falseflagging, dumbass! To anyone else reading this, always suspect when you see a supposed "Mister user" acting like a retard.

>>10554492
>Stop being a faggot and just name the ones that aren't. Look up what cycle accurate means first, it doesn't mean perfectly accurate, but that the appropriate instructions take the correct amount of cycles to execute. I bet your dumbass thinks cycle accurate = perfect.
Stop being a faggot and asking people to prove your claim wrong. That's not the way it works. I bet your dumbass thinks that's the way it works.

>>10559447
If you mean the Xilinx Artix-7 FPGA that the MARS is based on that's generally jut available as a PCIe or M.2 card that has some RAM on it and that's about it, no ARM, no GPIO, and depending where you get it from can cost significantly more than a DE-10 nano.

>>10557667
There's more to it than just the amount of logic gates and clock speed. Robert, the guy who did the PS1 and N64 cores, says that MARS lacks the BRAM to support even a NintendoDS.

https://twitter.com/AzumFpg/status/1694081771275497490

I am no expert on FPGAs either, had to look up what BRAM is, but there is a lot more to it than just the clock speed and number of logic elements.

>>10553075
usually true for audio, but often not for input with run-ahead existing and sometimes beating consoles even without a CRT.

it's handy if you don't already have the common consoles. it lets you play the niche consoles, but those are niche because they don't have many worthwhile games.

i'd get one if i were interested in playing anything but meme romhacks on my phone at autism raves

>>10559576
run ahead is a hack, you cant talk accuracy and low latency and then talk about using hacks to achieve it, lol

>>10559576
>beating

You may as well just watch longplays if you're going to cheat.

>>10558919
retroarch. it just werks and has everything in 1 place

>>10554116
fuck off Atrac

>>10559539
>post link to tweet
>be no expert on FPGAs
>look up what BRAM is
>still fail to understand what dude said in tweet
>make fool of self thinking you do
The amazing level of stupid you find in a mister thread

Will the Mars be able to play from real carts?
I know the Mister is not able to because of technical limitations.(not enough pins exposed or something)

>>10559857
I can play movies with retroarch? I thought it sucked for 6th gen, too

>>10559990
>I can play movies with retroarch?
yes
>6th gen
everything plays fine, just need to use xemu for Xbox. wish there was a way to create shortcuts inside retroarch. I could probably use Kodi (which I aready use for movies and series) and the games library add-on that puts it all together, but I'm good

>>10559934
Ah yes, might I see the "impossible" PS1 and N64 cores you developed if you think you know so much more than Robert?

>>10560141
>i also failed to understand your post
I see a pattern developing here

>>10559968
why is this a thing anyone would want

>>10560251
not him but i've got a collection of old carts it'd be fun to get more use from before selling to people dumber than me

>>10560251
With that attitude you might as well just get a PC and emulate.

>>10560264
You could always get a retron or analog.

>>10560251
A drop-in replacement for dying old hardware is the most sensible use case for an FPGA.

>>10560251
A unique agglomeration of mental disorders

>>10559990
>I can play movies with retroarch?
Yes
>I thought it sucked for 6th gen
Not retro

>>10559539
There's a lot of technical info you aren't understanding here. In short, he didnt say Nintendo DS was impossible. He said it would take some workarounds.

>>10560251
You may as well emulate on PC than getting a MiSTer, since it's the exact same thing. Being able to play from cart is what real hardware can do that the MiSTer can not. To say that the MiSTer is indistinguishable from real hardware, would be a lie.

>>10560846
That's exactly what I've been thinking. The MiSTer is nothing more than an underpowered micro-PC.

>>10560858
Pretty much.

The "cores" are just emulators using fpga hardware instead of PC hardware.

In fact, most of the Mister cores were created with information learned from creating emulators like Mame and other console emulators.
The Mister cores weren't truly created from scratch.

>>10560846
>since it's the exact same thing.
Show me the gate level Megadrive and NeoGeo PC emulators. Show me a PC Engine emulator with the new decap info. Show me a SNES with the mdfourier tuned low pass filter. Show me CPS1/2 emulation with cpu wait states, DMA timings and low level qsound emulation. Show me the Irem m92 games in MAME without the GFX bugs.

It’s hardware engineers using scopes and logic analysis, writing new hardware tests, decapping chips to go beyond what software emualtion has worked out in nearly every instance. Stop bullshitting about something you know nothing about.

>>10560956
>Show me the gate level
>decap info
>blah blah blah
You are using mindless buzzwords that you don't even know what they mean. Actual programmers don't talk like this. So stop pretending.

>>10560929
>The "cores" are just emulators using fpga hardware instead of PC hardware.
Fantastic, thank god we can finally use the superior emulation environment and strengths of FPGA’s to perform this task with.

>>10560956
idk all that nerd shit I just play video games

>>10560970
It’s always mindless buzzwords or wordsalad when you are presented with something you can’t hope to refute or disproves. FPGA moved the scene forward and is doing things you can’t hope to on desktop CPU’s, deal with it.

>>10560956
Damn, I don’t realise software emulation had become so stagnant, why isn’t all this stuff being implemented there too?

>>10560972
There are two types of people who are annoying wrong in this discussion (and many other sorts of discussion). There are pondweed-level intelligence pants-on-head types like the guy you just replied to, and then there are misguided people who just aren't quite there in their understanding and threaten to make some sense every once in a while. I strongly advise you stick to the latter in your responses, the former are just going to think your response validates their posts as if they had some meaning and come back for more.

>>10560972
>>10560990
FPGAs aren't magic anon.

There is nothing an FPGA can do that a traditional CPU with software emulation can't. The only reason latency even exists for software Emulation is because the emulator has to share resources with the OS.

There is nothing stopping a software emulator from being written in C and running on bare hardware without an operating system in the way. It's entirely possible if someone wants to do it. It isn't done because there's no demand for it. The vast majority of users want to use an emulator while browsing the internet, running streaming software, or 10 other things.

FPGAs aren't magic. There is nothing an FPGA can do that a traditional CPU with software emulation can't.

>>10561025
This is 100% false in every single way.

>>10561025
>There is nothing an FPGA can do that a traditional CPU with software emulation can't.
Correct, but as we have seen with the MegaDrive core doing the same gate level emulation at full speed on a CPU isn’t possible right now and won’t be for the foreseeable future either. What an FPGA can do in the here and now is run certain things at full speed when a CPU is nowhere near being to doing so.

>It isn't done because there's no demand for it.
There is a demand for it, that’s why people are buying FPGA hardware, we wouldn’t be having this discussion if there hadn’t been an audience that wanted to emulate without the OS and multiple sources of latency getting in the way.

Just because software can do the same thing doesn’t mean it is, I only care about what things are actually doing, not what they could.

>>10561030
Nah, most of it is correct, an FPGA being able to run all the emulated components in parallel is something a CPU can’t do however.

>>10561067
>There is a demand for it, that’s why people are buying FPGA hardware,
The amount of people buying Mister or fpga hardware is a tiny fraction compared to the sheer amount of people using software emulators.

These software Emulation users donate money to emulation groups, and keep their website running and lights on. So the software emulation developers have to devote their limited resources to what gets them the most donations and funds. That means software Emulation running alongside an OS. If we put the numbers side by side, the doubt the people interested in FPGA could match those donations.

>>10560929
Agreed. There's a lot of re-wording and reframing, but at the end of the day it's the same thing.

>>10561078
None of it is correct. The operating system is not the reason for latency and has almost nothing to do with anything. No you wouldn't gain much if anything by writing an emulator in C that you could boot up instead of an OS. The more people like you keep humouring people like that the more they will come back.

>>10560956
You're the only one bullshitting. Here's some simple equations...

MiSTer = PC
Cores = Emulators

You can try and sell the FPGA gimmick, but just because you call it "hardware emulation" doesn't erase the emulation part. It's also not emulating "hardware" if it doesn't take disc and cartridges. This is where MiSTer falls into being a lot like a micro PC with emulators than something comparable to ANALog clone consoles. The SNES mini at least has a third-party device that allows cartridges, just in case someone doesn't want to risk bricking their console via hacking. Point being that you can a a jar of piss "apple juice", it's still piss. Just like cores are still emulators and the MiSTer is a micro-PC.

>>10561148
Answer my question, where are all those improvements and new knowledge in software emualtion? Some of this stuff has been around for years now, why isn’t any of it being implemented in software?

>>10561148
You're a fucking retard mate.

>>10561163
You pretend as if software emulation hasn't been perfected with every update. Yet as I play on MAME, it plays arcade games just fine. Other emulators for Genesis and SNES plays just fine. Hard to see any real difference between software emulation and original hardware playthroughs, it's as if I have the most updated version of each emulator. For example when I played Batman(1989) on MAME back in 2003, the Joker pop-up boxes were glitched. But now with the most up-to-date version of MAME that glitch is gone. I own multiple versions of Splatterhouse(PC, Namco collection on Switch, PS4(via PSN), Splatterhouse (2010) for PS3 and Xbox 360 via unlocking) and yet there's no difference between those versions and the MAME version or the FM Towns Marty emulator.

>>10561163
FPGA core emulation was built using knowledge from software emulation.

>>10561198
Says the retard who bought into the bullshit propaganda the FPGA cult has been feeding you. If you can't see that cores and emulators are the same thing, you're a moron.

>>10561163
If fpga cores are so good then why are they glitch and need constant updates? Oh right...maybe because fpga is just another CPU and cores is just another word for emulator

>>10561201
>just fine.
You’re a casual, MiSTer isn’t for you.

>>10561226
You're the real casual here. I actually own consoles & a gaming PC. You don't.

And when I say "just fine", it means I see no problems/issues/differences. I'd be more concern if I spotted glitches and sound issues. Also the MiSTer seems to struggle with Sega Saturn from the comparisons I saw. Maybe worry about that than getting pissed off at me for speaking the truth.

>>10561201
Improved with every update, not perfected. I’m just asking why all the stuff MiSTer is doing doesn’t seem to have filtered back to software as everyone keeps saying it’s the same thing.

>>10561246
>Also the MiSTer seems to struggle with Sega Saturn from the comparisons I saw.
It’s still being made, of course it has problems.

>>10561030
>FPGAs aren't magic anon.
>This is 100% false in every single way.
The literal state of mistercopers

>>10561254
>the stuff MiSTer is doing doesn’t seem to have filtered back to software as everyone keeps saying it’s the same thing.
Because your supposition is wrong. The many things Mister is doing is copied from software emulation and just tweaked for fpga use. You've been told this already.

I can't wait for Mars to come out so I can dump Mister. I'm selling mine now before everyone floods the market trying to sell their old Mister hardware.

>>10560980
Based

>>10561246
With Sega Saturn and other non-cycle accurate emulators you're talking about a completely different thing. The argument is for cycle accurate emulators there is no difference between FPGA and real hardware, which there is substantially with software emulators.

>>10561275
Not sure how the logic of this argument is supposed to work. Software emulators can be translated to blueprints to the machines, the software emulator is just the crude approximation of it while the FPGA is it being implemented in reality.

>>10561313
>software emulator is just the crude approximation of it while the FPGA is it being implemented in reality.

Your entire way of thinking backwards and illogical.

Software emulators were made first. The programming lessons learned and ideas developed while making software emulators over many years...went into the programming development of FPGA cores (which are essentially just emulators using FPGA hardware). This allowed FPGA emulation to be made at a rapid pace because developers and programmers were not starting from zero.

It cannot be made anymore clear than that.

>>10561275
You're actually misunderstanding how software emulation is being used in the context of FPGA development.

Creating emulators for FPGA cores is a common practice in FPGA development. It allows developers to test their code in a simulated environment before deploying it to the actual hardware. These special emulators typically run slower than the actual hardware they're emulating. This is because emulation involves additional layers of software abstraction that introduce overhead.

At no point is something like BSNES or DuckStation being converted into an FPGA core, in fact the source code for the FPGA cores are on github so you can see for yourself. BSNES and DuckStation are software emulators, not FPGA cores. They are designed to run on general-purpose computers, not on FPGA hardware. FPGA cores, on the other hand, are hardware implementations of specific systems or functions. They are written in Hardware Description Languages (HDLs) like Verilog or VHDL, and they are synthesized into physical circuits within the FPGA.

>>10552872
most shilled shit on this board
THE coonsoomer identifier
if you have one of these we already know you never play games, you just talk about them and how they’re going to run
>OHBOYOHBOY CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT POOPOOPEEPEE BOX IT DOES X!
>WELL NO NOT REALLY BUT ISNT IT SO COOOOOOL WHEN IT DOES BUY NOW LOL

>>10561336
thanks chatgpt

>>10561349
I've been using mine every day since I got it on December 6th.

>>10561349
nah chink emulator handhelds are the #1 consoomer product, at least this one has been the same since it came out years ago

>it can do 5th gen perfectly, better than emulation, once n64 is done! It’s always better than emulation!
>really? Can it do all Saturn games?
>well no, the core is still buggy and development is slow but it can do some
>can it do all PSX games?
>well no, there’s ram issues and development is slow but I can do most games
>can it do the sharp x68000?
>well no, the core was abandoned
>can it play the jaguar?
>well no, the core was abandoned
>can it play the 3DO?
>well no, the core was abandoned
>can it play the cdi?
>well no, the core was abandoned
>can it play the intellivision?
>well no, the core was abandoned

I thought it was better than emulation bros,..

>>10561336
Correct me if im wrong, the guy who's making the n64 core made his own software emulator first, right?
and a lot of mame games get updates thanks to FPGA findings. they're really on the same team. it's the same goal, just different output

>>10561361
Shut up! There's absolutely no way you got it before December 7th.

>>10561380
>jaguar
>3DO
>CDi
>intellivision
What is there to even emulate on these dogshit consoles?

>>10561401
>it doesn’t count because if it counted then my argument wouldn’t be valid!
>didn’t address the others

Grim

>>10561405
No seriously what masterpieces are missing by not having CDi or Jaguar?

>>10561380
Who are you quoting?

>>10561332
I don't mean for this to come across the wrong way, but is there something actually wrong with you? Nothing you have said is interesting or relevant to anyone who knows anything about the subject and you are in some places using highly inaccurate terms.

Noone ever suggested FPGA core writers haven't benefited tremendously from software emulation that has gone before. People who reverse-engineered these consoles and wrote emulation software did not do so so that they could play software emulators, they did it to help all kinds of emulators including FPGAs. What you're acting like is as if it's some big war between software emulation writers and FPGA core writers and like they hate each other. Most people who reverse engineered these consoles and wrote emulators for them are I have no doubt very supportive of FPGA cores as that is the whole point of the work, other than some sort of ego thing.

>>10561424
It’s a war and the mister is losing.

>>10561254
>Improved with every update, not perfected.
Software emulators go through the same thing, getting improvements with every update.

>>10561258
Which software emulators also goes through. Hence why I still play original hardware such as Sega Saturn and N64, because the emulators (both hardware and software) still has issues when it comes to consoles with more complex hardware.

>>10561313
If there was no difference between real hardware and FPGA, then there would be no issues with playing the Sega Saturn and there would be no need for "cores"(emulators). Fact of the matter is that FPGA acts more like a PC with it's constant reliance on firmware updates and installing "cores"(emulators). Whereas with real hardware, it doesn't need updates or installation to make games run and work. Everything had to be done before selling these consoles on day one. At least ANALog consoles can take cartridges.

>>10561467
>At least ANALog consoles can take cartridges
How retarded do you have to be for this to be a selling point? As if the ROMs on a cartridge are any different from those ROMs dumped onto an SD card.

>>10561401
>jaguar
NTA, but I'm still interested in playing Kasumi Ninja and Alien Vs Predator. Good or bad, I want to try it out.

>>10561482
Obviously you've never owned a game genie or a game shark. The game genie/game shark codes has to be patched on the rom. Whereas with the real cartridge plugged into game genie/game shark, the codes aren't permently patched into it.

>>10561510
Not a problem if you're emulating.

>>10561424
>People who reverse-engineered these consoles and wrote emulation software did not do so so that they could play software emulators,

Yes they did. For example, The creator of MAME in an interview said he just wanted to play Pac Mac and classic arcade games on his computer. That's why he made MAME. To play the games.

The rest of your post is fanfiction and I'm not going to bother responding to it.

>>10561565
>Pac Mac
Pac Man* (typo fixed)

>>10561565
>The creator of MAME in an interview said he just wanted to play Pac Mac and classic arcade games on his computer
How did we go from this to MAME consisting of at least 50% calculators and teddy bear voice boxes?

>>10561565
You literally just removed half my sentence to make it mean something completely different.

>>10561585
MAME got taken over by people who are more interested in hardware lust, and not by people who actually play games. These are the type of people who get themselves off by getting their hands on rare arcade boards or old hardware that didn't sell well in the 1970s.

"OMG guys. Check how this rare Casio 677 Galactic gaming wristwatch with 5 games. Only 1000 were ever made in 1981. You can't even find this on eBay. OMG look at that old hardware. Unf Unf Unf. I can't wait to dump these games in Mame and run it at 2 fps, never do updates, and then move on to searching the internet for other lost hardware. Play Games? What's that?"

Let me know when Mister can play Crisis Zone with a light gun. Otherwise I sleep.

>>10561380
Intellivision works fine. YOu faget.

>>10561592
Anon quoted your words exactly. Don't be upset that counter evidence exists. Take the L with grace and move on.

>>10560998
The FPGA community is hardware engineers who understand hardware, and it's easier to translate hardware circuits to FPGA. Software emulation requires a lot of twiddling to get right.

>I don't see the need for FPGA
>therefore nobody should have one

I think emulator fans are getting rustled because their platform is dead, and FPGA is where all the developer heavy lifting is now.

>>10561413
Me. But I deleted my post to make him look silly. lmao

>Muh accuracy
>Muh input lag
I own and play on real hw (genesis & snes) and emulate as well. And I honestly cannot tell the difference between real hw and proper PC emulation.
Only reason I stick with real hw is that I like the physical aspect, otherwise it feels the same to me.

>>10561813
I ended up getting of most of my real hw over the years for this reason. Once emulation gets good enough that I can't tell the difference I make some room.

>>10561813
>>10561823

Yes we get it, for you this is nothing more than bingbingwahoos. But there is a lot more to the FPGA preservation community than that, considering many of my favourite nostalgia platforms have rotting silicon we need some way to be able to keep them alive. FPGA is the best method.

>>10561813
if you use ra with runahead and use a really low latency usb controller it can be good. i don't have a controller with very low input lag for pc use so i find things that really rely on that like hard ass nes games unpleasant with software emulation. i'm sure there are ways to deal with it though, i just haven't pursued that and just stick with flashcarts and mister for those kinds of situations. for other types of games it matters less.

>>10561832
yeah didn't this all start with making replacement chips for dying c64s? makes sense for that kind of thing.

>>10561832
from a preservation pov it's a stretch to say fpga is doing anything to save old hardware that accuracy-targeting emulators like bsnes or that transistor-level nes emulator aren't. almost all of the existing cores are higher level emulation than popular software emulation alternatives. "preservation" is in documenting the behavior and open-sourcing it, it doesn't matter what you run it on. fpga is a better platform but it seems optimistic to think in 10 or 20 years that the specific mister implementations of these things are still going to be an accessible way to play

>>10561862
You really don't get it. Please stop replying.

>>10561862
>almost all of the existing cores are higher level emulation than popular software emulation alternatives.
Bullshit.

>>10561874
Prove otherwise.

>>10561884
The one who makes the claim has to provide the evidence. That's how logic works. So you provide the evidence.

>>10561904
Don't worry anon. I'm sure he won't respond like always. He doesn't actually know what he's talking about.

>>10561874
the only cores that are actually transistor-level replicas are the neo geo core and nukedmd. if you look at the verilog source for different cores you can see to what level they're being written to; very few of them are "cycle accurate" at all. it's a misconception with even the very low-level cores like neo geo that timings just fall into place if the gate layout is emulated accurately as the chip is still different on an electrical level; for the neo geo core it was a lot of additional work to get that sort of thing in order. software emulators are generally more mature in regards like that. not that these things matter for enjoyment. i am a mister user myself. people just seem to not understand the point of the machine, even after spending hundreds of dollars to get one and using it all the time.

Mister is just neat. Worth every $ of $300+

>>10561961
*$615

>>10561386
>Correct me if im wrong, the guy who's making the n64 core made his own software emulator first, right?

The software emulator that Robert wrote serves to test his FPGA code. It does not serve the same purpose as Ares, Mupen, or Project 64.

>>10561813
Same here. It's always satisfying having multiple options to play. I got original hardware, PC, hacked consoles, hacked handhelds and hacked console minis.

>>10562283
As a MiSTer fag who heavily opposes reseller-dominated markets, and who is also still waiting for MiSTer Express, pic related, I appreciate having every option available to play every game possible. The biggest benefit that MiSTer has over software emulation is peace of mind that the FPGA emulated console is operating as efficiently as possible to recreate the OEM hardware experience without fiddling with any settings. Beyond that on the MiSTer side of things, some cores do offer enhancements such as increased sprite draw per frame, savestates, increased CPU speed, and even specific cores that essentially overclock the CPU on the FPGA beyond what was originally intended by the OEM console manufacturer with mixed results as would be expected.

When something isn't possible on MiSTer, I simply jump on my PC. Although, I do own modded 6th gen consoles because fuck resellers.

>Teknoparrot for many arcade games that are practically PC native
>Dolphin because I have not gotten around to buying a Wii for modding
>RCPS3 because I am too impatient to transfer large ISOs to my PS3 so I just stick to small PSN games on hardware
>PCSX2 and DuckStation for lightgun games because I only play through each for a few minutes and stop so buying GunCons at reseller value isn't worth it.

I'm sure I use other emulators on PC for special use-cases but too hasty to think about them.

>>10562358
I'm happy with my custom built gaming PC. For me it's better to spend money on a gaming PC that runs both retro and modern games, than to spend hundreds on an FPGA device.

>>10562410
That's the most important aspect about acknowledging your options. You can choose where to invest your variable budget. People with flexible budgets are able to explore other options such as vintage hardware or modern FPGA solutions.

>>10562410
I have the luxury of having all options available.

>>10561025
> There is nothing an FPGA can do that a traditional CPU with software emulation can't
Very true, if running at less than 1fps is acceptable.

>>10562410
Well what if I want to game on my TV, which I do? Should I move my gaming PC over to my TV room? Or am I permitted to have a silent, just werx box that works perfectly with both my big TV and my CRT TV?

>>10562591
Just network your TV to your gaming PC. Pick up your preferred controller, and play anywhere there's a TV in your house. Why buy a seperate gaming box for the living room? Waste of money.

>>10562410
if you can only afford one that is certainly the better choice. no need to feel like you're missing out on much either. would be different if it were cheaper but as prices are now it's a pure luxury item that's impossible to recommend to anyone for whom +/- 300-500 dollars on their tech toy budget is a huge deal

>>10562591
the convenience is something that's pretty underrated about mister. before using it i expected some extraordinarily painful autistic user experience but it's not even 1/1000th as bad as retroarch and quite justwerxy

>>10562610
Basement dweller confirmed.

>>10562476
I have a flexible budget actually. I spent it on HDMI converters, flashcarts, ODE's, etc, etc. Modern solutions for my old consoles. Which I'm sure cost more than a MiSTer, but it's worth it.

>>10562506
And I have the luxury of having an extra $615 to spend.

>>10562591
There should only be one room used for gaming. Have both your 4K/HDTV and CRT in the same room and play it there. For me, I have my gaming room in my Master Bedroom. My Living Room is used for my family to watch TV shows and movies, since my wife and my kids do spend time watching family friendly entertainment. But you figure out what you want to do. If you want to spend money on a MiSTer and port your gaming on any TV, go nuts.

>>10562618
I can afford a lot, I'm just picky with how I spend. But I wouldn't tell anybody how to spend, we are free to spend exactly how we want to.

>>10562753
>I can afford a lot, I'm just picky with how I spend.
This is something a lot of people fail to grasp. Rich people are, and stay, rich because they manage their expenses (unlike some lottery winners who burn through their wealth in a few years and end up poor again)
Now all of you hopefully got back into crypto last year. You would be up tremendously by now and 2024 is going to be great in the long run as well.
(And I still don't care about the Mister)

>>10562876
Rich people also enjoy luxury goods.

>>10562902
This. Warren Buffet is notorious for luxuring in up to 3 packets ketchup on his value meals.

>>10562908
I bet he doesn't drive a toyota.

>>10562902
Now you are implying the Mister is a luxury good?
But rich people do like fancy stuff ofcourse, but are usually also the biggest cheapskates there are. Trying to hassle on everything.

>>10562908
you dont actually believe he eats at mcdonalds and drinks cokes, do you.

>>10562876
hey look its that dumb guy who thinks anyone ever penny pinched themselves into billion dollars

>>10562919
Yet they all drive e and s class mercs.

>>10552872
Another thread of clueless mistersissies posting about thigns they have no clue about.