/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
SUM TING /VR/Y WONG
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/10413464
https://archive.org/details/shadow-warrior-mapping-kit

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
AD MORTEM FINAL CUT (v1.5.6)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3exnqm8nxg4gukhj10hcp?rlkey=r5nwzu32pfh2dtefpbjy2p49b
Ad Mortem Guns (DECORATE): https://files.catbox.moe/ihv4l4.zip

=== WHEN IT'S DONE ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/9941720

=== NEWS ===
[12-30] Chex Quest: The Penultimate Breakfast released
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/themes/chex/chextpb

[12-29] Not Even Remotely Fair completed
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/127913

[12-29] MIT student displays Doom in gut bacteria
https://www.golem.de/news/biologie-doom-laeuft-auf-darmbakterien-2312-180291.html

[12-29] BYOC got a GZDoom compatibility update
https://revenatn.itch.io/byoc/devlog/657427/byoc-v15-for-gzdoom

[12-27] Quake 2R Speedmap Jam announced in Nightdive discord

[12-26] Highway Accelleroid Booster 1.1 quietly released
https://terminusest13.itch.io/highway-acceleroid-booster

[12-26] GrezzoDue 2 released
https://youtu.be/mloiLYRums8

[12-24] J.A.C.K. editor updated for the first time in over a year
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/496450/view/3882730411551484355

[12-24] BYOC 1.5 released
https://revenatn.itch.io/byoc

[12-22] Eviternity updated to RC4
https://eviternity.dfdoom.com/

[12-21] Rise of the Triangles RC1 released
https://doomshack.org/uploads/rottriangle_RC1.zip

[12-18] Voxel Doom added parallax mapping to IWAD's textures
https://www.moddb.com/mods/voxel-doom-ii/addons/voxel-doom-ii-with-parallax-textures

[12-17] DoomGPT, an AI-directed Doom II project - released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/133843

[12-14] Nugget 2.3.0 Released
https://github.com/MrAlaux/Nugget-Doom/releases/

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
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SUM TING /vr/Y WONG INFO CAUSE I FORGOT TO PUT IT IN THE NEWS POST

>2024
>doom

Happy New /yr/!

>>10562605
i like sowd. das a personal weapon

I bought Quake on steam, but
Is the soundtrack really supposed to be this weird and creepy and foreboding ambient scariness?
And my autism keeps prodding me that I'm not playing the "real" version, the hold Q weapon wheel seems to be retrofitted from Doom 16, does it matter that much?

>>10562631
>Is the soundtrack really supposed to be this weird and creepy and foreboding ambient scariness?
Yes, it is supposed to be atmospheric.
>not playing the "real" version
Who cares. If it plays like any other version but with an extra feature, then whatever.

Happy new year, boys. Let's make 2024 a good one.

>>10562631
>Is the soundtrack really supposed to be this weird and creepy and foreboding ambient scariness?
Yes.

>And my autism keeps prodding me that I'm not playing the "real" version, the hold Q weapon wheel seems to be retrofitted from Doom 16, does it matter that much?
It doesn't really matter much, Quake has instant weapon switching anyway, just go with whatever feels comfortable for you.

>doom
more like happy new year

>>10562631
it comes with the old dosbox version does it not?

>>10562631
i just mute quake's soundtrack
it isn't the cool kind of ambient, it's the reprehensible annoying horseshit kind of ambient
game sounds better without it

>>10562743
We can't be friends.

>>10562619
Do you want to wash Wang? Or do you want to watch Wang wash Wang?

>>10562631
is it possible to have n64 ost on quake for pc?

Hell Revealed 2 just turned 20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhyrFX4g1gM

Happy New Year all!

I remember seeing this character and WIP updates of her. Has there been any news or info lately?

I changed my mind about perforator in Eviternity 2. Sure it's OP but it fits perfectly with the ever-increasing presence of buffed versions of enemies like astral cacos/spiders/fatguys or even just the rocket knights in tight quarters. Without it you'd spend a lot of time peeking around corners because they're dangerous enough you wouldn't want to be close enough to SSG them most of the time, and rockets tend to have an anemic speed.
I'd probably make it a basic weapon rather than one hidden in secret levels and give it its own ammo. Using pistol ammo works, but it feels odd and you have practically infinite amount of it (since the long reload means you're not really using it very often; it's terrible at clearing out crowded rooms)

>>10562387
>leak in the first 2-3 levels (intentional?)
Wait, what leak?

>nnooooooo gzdoom is performant you're just making fun of it
stable 60 in cyberpunk on high btw

I did the first episode of Quake and it was enjoyable, besides the absolutely horrendous colour pallette, but starting the next episode it feels like just more of the same.

>>10562972
>but starting the next episode it feels like just more of the same.
Yes and no. Each map and texture set is very unique from each other, but the general rhythm of things remains until the end, though episode 4 definitely is the most mazey. If you're not feeling it don't force yourself anon

man fuck those guys

>eviternity 2 map26
what are you supposed to do here? if I shot open the door the green cacos gangbang me with no chance of counterplay. i can't seem to do anything without shooting the switches either.
are you supposed to run past them somehow? you die in 3 seconds in caco goonsquad

>>10562932
there are walls with no texture

>>10563086
I'm currently double checking that in doom builder, but I can't see where I forgot to put textures
Can you pinpoint me where textures are missing?

>>10563142
Lainkot

>>10562957
>not pictured: the six billion linedefs the game has to render in full detail because the mapper has no idea how the engine works and didn't even try to cull things that can't be seen because it's just doom lmao it should run perfectly because computers are magic

>>10563247
Happy New Years Graf

>>10563267
no, it's impossible for a mod to be unoptimized, it can only be bad chicken man's fault
noticeable framedrops as early as the first real map of eviternity 2 even in woof btw
mod's just more concerned with looking pretty than running good on any port

>>10563273
to be fair the only areas I noticed the slowdown were the ship and this particular fight, with dozens of particle vomit enemies going at each other, and I'm 5/6 done with the wad
this fight was real bad tho, thankfully most mobs infight and you mostly just spam bfg otherwise it'd be a total shitshow

>>10563273
Lmao it lags in Woof, really?

>>10563313
it wasn't sub-60 but it was a substantial drop from 165, looking at a particular angle on map02
probably had just about the entire map rendered from that spot plus weather effects that are a lot more noticeable to the engine than to the player

>>10563258
>>10563267
Runs fine on my machine.

>>10563313
I have never seen a map that didn't give me steady 144 fps in woof's high resolution mode (640x400 or whatever)

>>10563319
Are the rain drops things, or mid textures?

>>10563326
they're things
i don't think they're as badly designed as the first eviternity's weather effects but it's still a lot of sprites to render just for some black rain the player can hardly even see

>>10563323
try comatose

>>10563313
It's designed for DSDA-Doom :^)

do ad mortem guns function differently? i might use them as alt skins

>>10563347
They shouldn't, but I can't say how good they'd look without AM's palette.

DBP wads are easily some of the best wads ever created for doom 2.

>>10563142
it might be more noticeable in SLADE

Happy new year /doom/!

>>10563423
>evil ssg songs
>serious cyberdemons annoying
>done lol oh bug
>try sigil
>wrong mapping bullshit
>i'm guys ass big weapon
>tested cheese
>enjoy actual demon

>>10563347
The saw is a little faster (making it viable for Satyrs), and the sword has a left-right slash which would give it a very slightly faster attack rate. I'm not sure they're in Ad Mortem itself yet though.

>>10563369
There's that.

>>10562602
Dia Base, my new Quake 2 singleplayer-map for a REMASTER is now released, and can be loaded down from here:
https://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/smolbase.zip
Associated Twitter-post just in case someone is interested:
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1741837792563311069

>>10563381
No, they are not. There's few good ones and Auger Zenith sure is amazing, but after that they all just are kind of remarkable.

>>10563457
They're all good quality, expertly crafted and ooze pure vanilla goodness.

>>10563423
>doomplayer prodoomer
The streamer made it into the wordcloud! Awesome.
>>10563436
>day begins with some Q2kino
This is a great start to my year.
>>10563457
The other projects have been fun but man does AZ really stick out. The style really resonates with me but there's also lots of good gameplay.

>>10562957
That's why I don't bother with GZDoom when a wad doesn't require it. I just use DSDA-Doom.

>>10563381
>Cacowards
>/vr/ got a mention
>DBP didn't
Yeah nice WADs you got there BAKA

>>10563489
I really wonder why seemingly so many people have problems just using the recommended port for a wad.

In Duke Nukem Forever, there’s a glory hole that can be interacted with. On the other side giving oral sex is Bombshell, the protagonist of 3D Realms’ Ion Fury (formerly Ion Maiden) and Bombshell. It’s confirmed to be Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison on page 361 of the DNF Ball of Steel Limited Edition Guide.

>>10563495
I don't want twelve different ports, I want just one.
And if it's sub-par in some way I'm going to bitch about it.

>>10563482
That's some balls to the walls right there.

>>10563492
yeah but we know why DBP didn't

Any zscript gods in here? I wonder if there's any way to have something like a default property of a *non-actor* class, which I could inherit from and override.

>>10563503
That's just damage control. There's no way a wad would get cut for those reasons but then a 4chan wad gets in. /vr/ is just build different and so was Ad Mortem

>>10563509
I don't buy it, its harder to pin the tail on the donkey when most of the mapper credits are "anon", FWIW I think Ad Mortem did deserve it.

>>10563080
If you stand on the little skybox squares and shoot they can't hear you. Yeah the game isn't super clear about this but they try to make the squares stand out and it's not like there's any way to progress without figuring this out.

I hope Sigil II's E6M7 will be remade for Doom II with their enemy roster. It's a map perfectly suitable for Doom II. It's the best map by Romero since Tech Gone Bad.

>>10563507
Non-actor classes don't have defaults at all. But you could always make a virtual method and override it later. Kinda answered your own question there. It's the only way to do it.
https://zdoom.org/wiki/ZScript_virtual_functions

>>10563535
seems I can do:

>class foo ui {const a = 1; const b = 2;}
>class bar : foo{const b = 4;}
and then anywhere access it like
>console.printf("foo: %i,%i bar: %i,%i",foo.a, foo.b, bar.a, bar.b);
Displays 1, 2 and 1, 4 as expected.

>>10563509
DB is a direct competitor to DW and ZDF, and directly challenging their authority by refusing literal fandom-wide cross site banlists. We're anonymous and a much smaller community than any of the three others, right now their focus is on bullying DB out and basically blackmailing creators to exit DB. If that's successful, they'll probably come after people from here next and try to pressure them from de-associating themselves from /vr/.

If Cacowads hasn't lost it's status because of some of the judges in the previous years doing dumb shit like nominating their own wads they can't even properly complete and test themselves, it's high time it should now in light of the frankly deranged posts in the Cacowads thread. Like some of those posters including one of the head moderators went nuclear attacking and trashtalking the mappers that worked on DBP. Atleast I don't consider Cacowads worth much anymore after seeing that shit and how the higher ups literally endorsed behavior like that.

>>10563492
DBP unironically got blacklisted from Cacawards because they committed a heckin bigotry. You know, compared to /vr/, where nobody EVER says words like nigger, tranny, faggot, etc, etc.
The recent excuse is that AZ contained billboards saying to visit DB for a good time, with their URL, which is such an absolutely petty technicality that only the bitchmade socialist assholes on DW could have come up with it. Calling them Doomer Boards Projects is fine, but printing the URL for the site isn't? Like that makes a goddamn difference and people couldn't immediately infer the origin and look it up based on the name.
They pretend it's for safety, too. Yeah, what ever would I fucking do if the third world zoomer who made one of the recent DBP levels found out I liked cock and called me a faggot on DB? I don't know about you, but I find that entire notion obscenely patronizing and infantilizing.

I don't have any stake in whatever ancient petty feuding DW and DB has (40oz is at least as shitty of a person as most of the bigshots on his rival site, he deserves his share of atomic wedgies), but arbitrary and petty soi faggotry like that is why I feel Cacowards are worth less than ever.
It's their forums, it's their awards, it's their opinions, but it's all so fucking hollow and fake feeling.
This made the retarded trainwreck which was Doom Awards even more regrettable, because more coverage of Doom stuff with less of DW's petty baggage would be very welcome, but it seems that some people are completely allergic to effort.

I like Doom, it's pretty fun.

>>10563539
Consts are static, not virtual. Consider the following:
>foo f = new('bar');
>Console.Printf("%i, %i", f.a, f.b);
What you'll get is 1, 2 instead of 1, 4, despite the fact f is of type 'bar'. And this is really common when dealing with inheritance - to use the most abstract type for the variable, even if the object itself is of a deriving type.
So no, what you're doing only works because you're explicitly referencing foo and bar by name. Which kind of defeats the purpose of using inheritance in the first place.

>>10563495
Because I don't want a million billion ports.

>>10563498
>>10563564
Just use GZDoom and DSDA-Doom and you should be fine.

>>10563509
Nigger, the DW people outright had a discussion about it like I described in this post: >>10563556

Ad Mortem is good, but so is Auger;Zenith, and they had to invent a flimsy bullshit reason to exclude it because they don't ACTUALLY care about the art and craft of Doom.

>>10563556
DBP got blacklisted because the forum exists to be antagonistic to Doomworld and is full of and welcoming to Kiwifarms-tier freaks who spend all day obsessing over and seething about the Doomworld members they didn't want any recognition from anyway, baka. /vr/ is neutral ground with jannies who clean up imported drama instead of letting it fester and thrive.

>>10563381
Sorry, I don't play wads made by chuds

>>10563556
>>10563583
Nah, Zeppelin Armada was just meh this year, and they had to invent a cover so they could say it was good while dismissing it
Ad Mortem blew it out of the water and it's STILL not finished

>>10563587
>>10563556
I like this post on the matter.
>https://doomer.boards.net/post/56446/thread

>>10563587
>welcoming to Kiwifarms-tier freaks
Most of the time, but not always.
Side note: dn is the funniest person in the entire community and it's not even a contest.

>>10563560
Dang. So there's no way to access any properties of a non actor class without first creating an instance of it?

>>10563597
That's very well put, and why /doom/ shouldn't let itself be Doomworld's and ZDoom Forums dumping ground.

>>10563602
>JEW IS NOT A VERB

>>10563560
>>10563603
Ooh wait I get it, I can do https://pastebin.com/tjSPjT7t

>>10563606
Yeah, end of the day all of the stupid, petty bullshit going off elsewhere isn't our problem and shouldn't become out problem.

We've got enough of our own petty bullshit to keep us occupied, we don't need to import more.

>>10563603
No. Sadly there is no GetDefaultByType for non-actor classes as there are no properties. Though nothing's stopping you from making a static helper method that creates an instance, gets the necessary info from all virtuals you want, stores it in some data class/struct, and nukes the object before returning the data. The code below is for Actor classes, but the same logic applies to everything.
e.g.
>https://gitlab.com/accensi/deathstrider/-/blob/a1bc50f23529dd06559804396cec60940ec3bd1b/ZScript/Weapons/Ammo/Base/DSMagAmmo.zsc#L435
or
>https://gitlab.com/accensi/deathstrider/-/blob/a1bc50f23529dd06559804396cec60940ec3bd1b/ZScript/Weapons/Ammo/Base/DSAmmo.zsc#L241

But even if you just create an object directly, it's going to get garbage collected anyway if you don't store it anywhere. The helper method is just a little bit lazier, but if you don't have a large amount of data to pass around every time it might actually be worse due to overengineering. Depends on your use case.

>>10563620
Why even have consts at that point? Just return the value directly in the virtual. The consts are completely unnecessary and useless.

>>10563587
I thought the Cacowards were supposed to judge wads and not wads' authors...

>>10563637
Oh right - got lost in the weeds a bit there. Thanks for the info man!

are there any wads that are into the unknown/obscure/sinister like worship of the void and embracing mind blowing horrors?

So what's going on with quaddicted? Did it die, because it looks like there haven't been any new maps since September?

>>10563657
Anytime. I can rephrase or give simpler examples if you need clarification on anything. Dropped the links cause I figured an actual use case might have been better than some abstract foo/bar code.

Stop crying about DB chuds, at least they won in the DoomAwards *holding in laugh*

>>10563662
The Quake 1 singleplayer scene itself is dying. Didn't even get a Halloween or Christmas jam this year.
Anyone who's been paying attention knows why.

>>10563682
Does it have to do with the drama between Quaddicted and Slipseer?

>>10563474
Now you are just shilling. Only great mappers left are 40oz and lunchlunch, and even lunchlunch doesn't join every project anymore.

And I'm only being realistically harsh, because of that god damn shilling. Don't try to turn dbps into the new brutal doom or myhouse. There is nothing wrong with neither of those, but it gets tiring when a normal thing gets praise as the best thing ever. It's even more tiring, when the one that gives the praise, is the one who participates on the projects himself. Timing is even worse, because the past year quality of the dbps has dropped insanely. So if you want more good mappers for dbps, this is not the way to go. Don't sell yourself out by praising your own maps like some merchant. Just make maps like you used to. Be humble.

>>10563474
They are mostly all pretty decent, with a couple of truly great ones, and maybe one which stinks. That's not a bad track record considering the volume, but they're not a goldmine.

>>10563668
Nah I get it now, I just have to think carefully about all that "static" actually implies. Not at the point where it's instinctual yet.

>>10563694
40z bailed recently and desu I don't blame him, I find the Doom community pretty unhealthy despite how productive it appears at the surface.

As for the DBPs, they're solid limit-removing wads that are occasionally very good. Nothing more nothing less.

Is there a link to the doom 2 wad or will I have to find my doom collection jewelcase?

>>10563718
We have all the good old shooter goodness warez you need in our OP post, friend.

>>10563719
tx bro sry bro

>>10563647
I would actually care, if any of the dbps had the quality of something other than monthly speedmap. Even without all the drama, I see no reason for any of the 2022 or 2023 dbps to be awarded. They are all very mediocre, and whole Doom community has dozens of better releases every year. Some that don't even get honorable mention, because there is just too much stuff.

>>10563716
I'd say Auger Zenith, Dreamcatcher Apparatus and Zeppelin Armada have all been excellent, but that's just 3 projects out of 60+ so they're not exactly churning out consistent heavy hitters.

>>10563737
I didn't like Zeppelin Armada. I agree that it had good texture set and cool rpg elements for a not-zdoom wad, but that's about it. Maps were not very good. Some outright very amateurish, that didn't do justice to the texture set. And palette itself was just horrible.

>>10563737
Yeah, that's the point I tried to make in another post. DBP has turned out a couple of genuine gems, and I think that at least AZ deserves recognition at least in mentions, but though DBP is impressive in its output, it still IS quantity over quality for the most part, even if the ratio is a lot more favorable than how quantity over quality is usually used to describe things.

SIGIL 2 REGISTERED with THORR MUSIC

https://files.catbox.moe/grkl2r.rar

>>10563723
No problem, friend, the OP is there for helping.

>>10563502
This section was crazy fun. Very challenging, replayable, lots of cool little interactions and fun enemy quirks. Skill 3 gunners also do a good job inadvertently curbing the power of the ion ripper, and even without them these are hard fights that justify its use.
Random dumb fun stuff: It was great being reminded these cute little bastards can revive fallen enemies, and that "shatter" effect when those green shields run out looks cool.

>>10563709
Static just means it belongs to the class itself, rather than an instance of it. A static method can be accessed using the name of the class. For example, DeltaAngle is a static belonging to Actor, so you can access it as Actor.DeltaAngle from literally anywhere. Consts work the same way. Like Thinker.TICRATE. Keep in mind static variables DO NOT exist in ZScript, only static methods. Additionally, you can omit the class name if you're trying to use it in that same class or its descendant. Like you don't have to type the full "Actor.DeltaAngle" if you're using it in MyDoomImp or some other Actor-derived class. But you must type it if you're using it in an EventHandler, as those don't inherit from Actor. Same with Thinker.TICRATE and other consts.

>>10563583
Both Ad Mortem and Auger;Zenith were awarded.

>>10563762
No, wait, that's impossible, that'd mean I'm a retard who can't pay attention! Just ignore my stupid posts.

Happy New GoldSrc Year!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntX0WeAcv3I

Can anyone tell me what this screenshot is from?

>>10563597
Every other post in that thread does a great job of proving Doomworld right. They make our local schizo outbreaks look good.

>>10563716
>I find the Doom community pretty unhealthy despite how productive it appears at the surface.
A lot of the more productive people (especially the ones still enjoying making stuff) went off in their own directions instead of sticking to these megaclique servers and forums.

It really kills the fun when you're just trying to make something cool and all the people surrounding you are doing is bitching about Brutal Doom still.

>>10563774
I think it's from arcane dimensions not sure about the map

>>10563773
very comfy video

>>10563773
Bless you for sharing this kino.
The Gus part had me in stitches

>>10563540
>>10563556
Just fuck off with your retarded board drama

Even if it's just something small and for fun I'd love to see /vr/ vote on best wads of the year.

>>10563784
>>10563774
>I think it's from arcane dimensions not sure about the map
This anon is right and it's Arcane Monstrosity (ad_metmon). It's found through AD's second level hub.

>>10563763
Auger;Zenith was on 2021. Dw and db made actually peace back then and future dbps were welcome to cacowards back then, but pact was that the db fags would agree obsessing over invidual dw fags. Db fags broke their pact and continued being the butthurt antagonist, so dw staff denied dbps from further awards (but didn't deny the solo projects of the mappers that participated on dbps). It's a classic case of play stupid games, win stupid prices. Dw does have some major retards on their staff, but i fail to see how i could feel sympathy for db. Breaking a pact is quite shitty to do in every culture. Crying about it's consequences is just retarded.

>>10563804
cheers m8

>>10563662

everything new is on slipseer. people got tired of not being able to manage their own releases. also what in the fuck are these new captchas

>>10563682
qrd?

>>10563827
Haven't been here in a while? 4Chan replaced Google's captcha with its own.

>>10563809
nice try, steve

>>10563759
Yes, the fixit-bots are great. I first used them in Amaze Base, but then after seeing them seamlessly navigate the whole map without issue I realised I had to use them more. Paril told me how much effort it took him to make them behave better, and it shows.
Also this map went through some radical changes during its short development.
Pictogram related, early starting area with two pillars instead of the big fan.

>>10563682
Your exaggerating the drama. Yes, some few autists are having a bitch fight, but most mappers don't care. That being said there has never been lot of mappers on Quake. Before Arcane Dimensions there were usually 2-3 good projects per year. 2023 had Deathmatch Dimension, Spiritworld, ReMobilize, Quoffee 2, Mjolnir, Dwell 2, and Alkaline 1.2 and more than 5 less remarkable single player campaigns on top of that. Yes, there was not lot of stuff in last 3 months, just as Doom didn't have lot of stuff at the start of the last year. That does not mean that scene is dying.

>>10563827
>people got tired of not being able to manage their own release
>what in the fuck are these new captchas
Which QM degen are you? Comfy? FW?
Coming here to run damage control won't save your cancerous clique of homosexuals.

>>10563869
>your
How is life with negative IQ?

>>10563856
I've been lurking both forums. Unless you have any insider info, that's how it went.

>>10563879
Yes, I made a typo. More than one probably, since I'm esl. Do you have any actual arguments or are just larping an english teacher?

>>10563540
>you have to join the internet war against dw, or the dw iluminati will destroy 4chan
Read your own text and see how insane it sounds.

Any mod that gives sectors colored lighting based on how the PS1 version colored its maps?

>>10563880
no insider info, and i would've been against cucking to the dw fags anyway, but the whole kiwifarms tier obsessing over dw users is a bit exaggerated. that thread wasn't even active for most of the year, they just needed an excuse to call people nazi or whatever, and i agree with dn anyway that steve post is the dumbest fuckin thing in the history of dw, unhearting bullshit drama no one cares about just to make himself needlessly look bad, while they could've kept shadowbanning dbps like they usually do. i hope you enjoyed my schizo takes on the other side tho. some posters in here kinda glow

>>10563919
Beyond some hypothetical ZScript spellcasting applied to the given maps in advance, you'd need that as part of the level, ergo PSX Doom itself, or one of the conversions of PSX Doom to PC, like PsyDoom, or that one in GzDoom.

>>10563924
>glow
So you're suggesting that /doom/ has embedded agents from the CIA or NSA?

>>10563919
It's possible in Boom+ maps to apply a colour effect to the entire screen when the player is standing in specific spots, either a vanilla effect like invuln/berserk or a custom texture (see community chest 2 map 7) but it's impossible for those sectors to appear coloured while outside them
there are 2 GZDoom mods I know of that apply colours to vanilla textures, subtle lights which applies coloured lighting to the entire sector, and morelights which gives the ceiling/floor a dynamic light with finite reach
in both mods I'd comment out the blue floor because way too many wads use it as a carpet

>>10563947
>there are 2 GZDoom mods I know of that apply colours to vanilla textures, subtle lights which applies coloured lighting to the entire sector, and morelights which gives the ceiling/floor a dynamic light with finite reach
>in both mods I'd comment out the blue floor because way too many wads use it as a carpet
I guess one of those is More Lights, what's the other?

>>10563919
try Threshold of Pain, basically a PS1 style episode

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/s-u/scl_tops

>>10563773
How well does Trenchbroom work for Half-Life. Might make some HL maps this year because I'm a bitch that chases what's currently in vogue.

>>10563990
Other than not supporting decals yet, it works perfectly fine from what I understand.

Why is this pixelated, dated game is still this popular when there are much better games around like HL2 or COD?

>>10563267
gzdoom is very optimized, mods on the other hand...

>2024
Where's my NEXTSTEP beta?
Where are the June-November 1993 betas?

>>10563985
Sure, I'll try that, but I mainly wanted to see a script that tries to make every other custom map have PS1-style colored lighting, not one that already has it.

RunThinkShootLive is down :(

>>10564008
God damn it, not again. Guaranteed replies, I guess. Here's your (You), faggot. You're not wrong but you just couldn't help yourself, could you?

Does anyone have any Black Mesa-adjacent HL mod suggestions?
So far I've got
>Echoes
>Field Intensity
>Induction
>Delta Particles
>Azure Sheep (I'll probably use an add-on to change things like weapons to M16'sbecause I'm a bitch)
>Point of View
>Signal lost
>some version of Decay
>Residual Point/Life
>Sum
>The Infected
>The Evasion

>>10564013
Oh shit does anyone have any more info? This is bad. Thank god for the eternal moddb.

>>10564040
>>10564013

>>10563931
it's cool that you're leaving the archiving of community drama to db and kiwifarms, some of the totally organic jannying and posting reeks of the doominati tho. they're stalking doomer boards 24/7 after all, why wouldn't they be here too. beware my friend

What essential Quake maps should I be checking out? I've played the base game a ton over the years but never tried any community content. Just installed Copper.

>>10563885
Communication is key to being understood.
Wordsalad = schizophrenia

>>10563924
>cucking to dw fags
So you wanted to remain antagonistic to the guys, that you still wanted to award you and yet wanted them not to be antagonistic against you. How's that not retarded? Don't you understand basic human interaction?

>glow
Are seriously saying that CIA is involved or are you implying that some of us are secretly dw members? There's no secrets. Some of /vr/ are members of dw, some are members of db and some are members of both. I've been on 4chan since 2005, but I've been a dw member before that because dw existed before 4chan, howerer spiritually i'm /vr/ faggot first. I think that dw has done things that I don't agree with (like 2020 cacowards) and does have few staff regulars that i don't respect, but I think that /vr/ is atm in ok terms with dw and i'm tired of butthurt db fags trying to stir up drama against dw and to drag us to fight their battles. I personally want to remain neutral.

>>10563662
In the LEAST drama bullshit way possible I promise jannis don't ban me: The head honcho of Quaddicted decided to change the website again when nobody asked for it. All he did was give Slipseer a boon because
A: People still cannot upload their own releases to quaddicted
B: He nuked the daily activity page on the front page of quaddicted

B is the worst part for me personally: It was always nice to go to quaddicted's homepage, see what people were playing, commenting on, and rating. It's been down since November for fuck's sake, that should have been the first priority.
>>10563682
Stop exaggerating.
>>10564047
Contemporary?:
Arcane Dimensions 1.81
Alkaline 1.2
Dwell whatever the latest version is
func_mapjam9
Epochs of Enmity was really good
Something Wicked
Ter Shibboleth (Drake Redux or vanilla, but I prefer the Drake version)
Quoffee
Quoffee 2

That'll net you some dozens of hours for now. Other people can recommend others but these are the big ones at the moment. Keep on eye on Quake Mjolnir as well, it's a mod that runs on the megamod Keep, and right now it only has 2 episodes out of 5 planned, but it's going to be absolutely enormous (72 maps) when it's finished. Do note, it leans muuuch more into the castles and medieval aspect of Quake, and that's not everyone's cup of tea.

>>10564060
Thanks anon, I'll check those out. Quoffee looks exactly like what I'm after.

>>10563796
Create a strawpoll bro

>>10564067
Quoffee and Quoffee 2 are a ball. Mini custom maps for Quake or Doom or any game for that matter are severely underrated in today's lightning fast media consumed age.

.

>>10564086
It always strikes me how big Shubby is.

>kenosis
oww ouch my fps

>>10564086
are there lewsd of her?

>>10564021
He's right. GzDoom not being optimized for ancient poverty machines doesn't mean that it's not optimized at all. GzDoom has developed (more or less) in step with how hardware has been developing in all of this time, and beyond some inherent bottlenecks to Doom's core (which GzD retains), it's reasonably well optimized.

Machinery becomes obsolete, and maintaining your software's compatibility and performance for ancient machines which vanishing amounts of people are currently using is a waste of time and effort.

>>10564068
people gotta nominate wads first because I'm too lazy to look up what all released this year that's notable

>download Sigil II
>sick of the constant shoot switches after 30s
>music is serviceable but hardly amazing
>a fake wall in 2nd map has a switch on it
>the red cracks everywhere are pretty ugly desu

Does it get better? I'd be pretty pissed if I paid for this.

>>10564121
I'm not mocking you, I am asking out of genuine curiosity, what made you decide to buy the paid version? Just the music, or supporting Romero, money not a problem...what reason did you have to do that?

And a question, why didn't you try the free version first?

>>10564121

SIGIL 2 REGISTERED with THORR MUSIC

https://files.catbox.moe/grkl2r.rar

>>10564113
Is Doom Eternal (2020) an ancient game? Because my computer at least runs Doom Eternal on maximum settings better than 15 year old wads on gzdoom. Yea, I know it's because gzdoom has no support for multi-core cpus, but saying that gzdoom does fine on anything but ancient computers is simply a lie.

>>10562598
Man, I really liked the moonman mod. It was kinda difficult to find it online, but it was worth it. Bump

>>10564139
>Because my computer at least runs Doom Eternal on maximum settings better than 15 year old wads on gzdoom
Can you provide any evidence of this, or are you just trying to shitpost about gzdoom again?

>>10564139
I wonder how fast doom could run if you ditched unnecessary stuff like the BSP tree and just loaded everything into vertex buffers. I bet you could do all the rendering real fast

>>10564113
Good luck convincing anyone of that.

>>10564139
Absolute fucking bullshit. I don't believe you on the basis that you are A) not posting your source port settings and B) not posting your mod list.
>stat vm; stat lightstats; stat renderstats; stat sight; stat gpu; toggle vid_fps
Put that in the console and post a screenshot or better yet a webm of those wads you claim to be running worse than Doom Eternal with all those numbers visible. Do it, I dare you. I optimize mods for fun so I won't believe a single word you say until you post those numbers. PC specs too. I'm insanely tired of you NASA PC faggots claiming the engine runs like ass.

>>10564154
Based

>>10564150
What kind of evidence would you need? It's quite self-explanatory. Modern games can use multi-core cpus in, gzdoom can use only a single core. This is the biggest problem with gzdoom's performance. It tries to be the source port for high end machines, but yet it can't use the all of the high end machinery.

Slaughter is fun :)

>>10564160
>>10564154

>>10564139
Doom Eternal is a modern engine that can do things like not render geometry that the player is looking towards but can't see yet, render far-off geometry in simpler forms because it's too far for the player to notice a difference, and only has to concern itself with enemy AI that's currently present in the one arena you're locked into. Doom engine doesn't have those luxuries. If a mapper makes a huge detailed open space and fills it with thousands of enemies, it has to render the entire thing in full detail as long as the player is looking at it and run every alert enemy's AI routine no matter where in the map they are. Unless the mapper uses single-sided linedefs to properly divide the map into more reasonable chunks, everything will still be rendered even on the other side of a solid wall, because the possibility exists that that wall could be suddenly lowered or the floor could be raised and now the player can see what was behind it. It's an engine that was designed primarily for tight close-quarters maps with limited outdoor environments, not huge sprawling landscapes. It's not GZDoom's fault that mappers think they can just brute force everything with modern hardware and that they don't have to concern themselves with what the engine is and isn't good at.

>>10564068
They manipulate too easily, anyone can make fraudulent votes to make sure their choice wins out.

People here have been knocking around the idea of The Golden Boners for a long time, but there's a lot of things to consider, a lot of questions to ask ourselves. These are not rhetorical questions either, we need to discuss the answers.

>1. Do we NEED our own awards ceremony? What is the benefit of it? What could be the drawbacks?
>2. Do any of us have the energy and drive to arrange and follow through with such a ceremony, and with any remotely consistent scheduling?
>3. How exactly will outcomes be determined? By jury? By vote? How would either of those be arranged in an actually secure manner?
>4. Should we recuse ourselves for our own work? Us rewarding ourselves with an imaginary medal to pat ourselves on the back would easily look ferociously masturbatory.

Personally, I feel that there's a lot of work which just will not be reliably done because there simply isn't enough interest, so getting it off the ground to begin with seems doubtful. Like or hate the Cacowards, the writers have a lot of commitment.

I'd also be worried that this would encourage way too much circlejerking, and that it may draw in too much attention to our corner of the overall community. 50 people have replied to this thread so far, and 50 to 100 people are a pretty cozy speed for these threads, will this place be as fun if we start looking at 200+ people on the regular, many who will no doubt refuse to properly adapt? I feel that, no, it would not, and this is the one point I'd expect the most agreeance on.
It would also just be difficult to have secure votes or juries without promoting circlejerking, it'd require people here being less anonymous.

>>10564175
how many linedefs are these largest maps even? because it's hardly difficult to render a VBO of say 10,000 triangles. monsters are two triangles and can easily be instantiated many times. the AI is probably the trickiest but doesn't it run at 10 Hz?

>>10564175
Good post. Good info.
>It's not GZDoom's that mappers
But why should mappers cater to one source port when 10 other source ports don't have the same problems?

What if Doom but half baked HOMM?
>>10564086
This is a blue board.

>>10564139
>Yea, I know it's because gzdoom has no support for multi-core cpus
Which is a really significant difference. Most modern computing strength comes from having stacks of multiple processors working together, which Doom, and in extension GzDoom, does not do.

This is why for GzDoom you would want to seek out CPUs where the individual cores have good single threading performance, because that will make a difference. Won't solve everything, but it's a good start.

Another is optimizing the .wads in question for GzDoom, like Comatose : Mowed Edition, where 20000+ decorative grass actors are removed from the map to dramatically reduce CPU load.

>>10564170
I literally posted what evidence I need, you retard. Show me actual numbers. Saying "muh single core" proves absolutely nothing. I'm running a Ryzen 7 7700X with a Radeon RX 6800 XT, and the only time I reach sub-par FPS in GZDoom is on wads like Abandon with Project Malice. Anything below ~1500 modded monsters runs like a charm if I turn off shit like SSAO that seems to be the heaviest post-processing option, especially since I play on 6880x2880. And that's not touching on all the debris and gibs and whatnot that ends up being present by the end of a wad which can go up to 7000+ total without the VM think time going up significantly. Like I said you are not going to bullshit me. Even on my previous Phenom II X4 w/ GTX 1080 rig the engine ran just fine because like I said I optimize the shit I make and play with for fun so post proof or shut the fuck up.

>>10564195
The simple answer is that they don't, thus some non-GzDoom works won't always function the greatest in GzDoom.
I would not call Comatose a poorly optimized map in that sense, like I infer from other posts, because the target ports do not have all the same software bottlenecks which GzDoom has.

Plenty of stuff works fine in GzDoom, but some doesn't, and that's just how that is. I don't foresee that paradigm changing soon.

>>10564202
>Saying "muh single core" proves absolutely nothing.
It does, monkeybrain, because multiple processors designed to share/distribute workloads together will do a much worse job when they're not allowed to.

>>10564175
A big bottleneck for rendering a doom level is the fact that any sector floor or ceiling could have had its height changed from one tick to the next. This means you can't just let the geometry live at peace in the GPU. This is why if you want excessive detail in a GZDoom map, it's better to just plop an actual 3D model in there. It will be a box in regards to collision, so keep that in mind.

There's been discussions about "invariant level geometry" among the devs and some attempts at it IIRC, but nothing has been finalized so far afaik

>>10564175
>and run every alert enemy's AI routine no matter where in the map they are
This is why the Slaughter Optimizer mod works, btw, it lets you adjust how often AI does steps and by a defined range.

>>10564113
>GzDoom not being optimized for ancient poverty machines doesn't mean that it's not optimized at all
a machine that can play modern games at 1080p on high settings without upscaling (no gaytracing) should be able to play fucking doom without dipping below 60, no matter whether the author of a map spent time """optimizing""" it or how many mobs there are on the map
alas, it clearly fucking cannot when there's enough.... god knows what, map objects? that's a dip, mob particles that's a dip, large open spaces that's a dip
fuck you

>>10564224
>This means you can't just let the geometry live at peace in the GPU
just use a vertex shader for that

>>10564235
OH BOY, HERE'S THAT ONE STUPID FUCKING ARGUMENT AGAIN!
GzDoom isn't the same goddamn system specs as the original .exe, you buttfucking troglodyte, just like GLQuake didn't have the same system specs as the original Quake .exe

GzDoom isn't doing simple little software rendering with no advanced mod support, you fucking stupid faggot, that's what Chocolate Doom is doing, that's your modern day equivalent, Chocolate Doom.

>>10564235
No, you fucking moron, computers are not magic. Do you actually believe modern engines have much of anything in common with the way Doom handles rendering? They don't and it's because of these performance bottlenecks that they don't. Doom did things in a way that worked for Doom, for the close-quarters game that Doom is. Mappers more concerned with drawing pretty pictures in the editor than making a map that plays to the engine's strengths are going to face an uphill battle for performance every time. And yes, other renderers and engines are affected by this shit too. They have more wiggle room before the drops become noticeable, but that doesn't mean the performance isn't choking up on the same problems.
>nothing going on
Post the stats, bitch. You can copy the command straight from this post >>10564154 into the console. Guarantee there's a huge fucking level being rendered behind those walls.

>>10564215
It does not prove your claims. Specifically
>Because my computer at least runs Doom Eternal on maximum settings better than 15 year old wads on gzdoom.
Obviously multithreading could improve GZDoom performance. But that's not what I'm arguing here and not what your original argument was. So nice job dodging the fucking request so far of posting ANYTHING at all to back up your complaints. I now know you are full of shit and will no longer waste my time with you. Have a good day.

>it's another "absolute fucking retard tryhard confuses GZD with Doom" AGAIN
Really getting tired of these constant remakes.

>>10564235

>>10564235
I can tell that you're a stupid little zoomer by your use of the word "mobs" and your belief that computers operate on magic.

>ahkshually the engine is doing work
>you just can't see it
>but it's very necessary to do this work because.... walls can be lowered
>therefore it's well optimized because it's just how doom is

>>10564235
What map is that? Let me see what performance I'll get with it.

>>10564270
have you actually read any of the engine code?

>>10564270
It's as optimized as the piece of shit sector logic from 30 years ago allows it to be. Is this really so hard of a concept to understand? Do they need to teach that in 2nd grade for people to grow up not to be like this anon?

>>10564271
I think it's the last secret level so map36
the start was also noticeably choppy for me, it gets better once you leave the area

>>10564270
Any given sector being able to completely change what it is in the blink of an eye means that there's a lot of optimizing you'll not be able to do with it, yes. Modern game engines aren't doing those kinds of shenanigans at all.
Doom's AI also will be constantly running checks unless you explicitly tell it to not do that (which is something GzDoom can actually do, unlike the original Doom), also adds to processing load.

>>10564279
NO ANON! GAME OLD! THAT MEANS LOW SYSTEM SPECS!
GZDOOM = DOOM (1993), WHY PERFORMANCE DIFFERENT?!!

>>10564235
I can get 60 fps with a few drops on my potato with an integrated intel graphics card from 2017

>>10564295
oops, I forgot to say that's on dsda doom

GZDoom 4.11.3. No mods, just Eviternity II. Stable-ish 50 FPS at the start area. Specs and shit here >>10564202
I just want you to note the INSANE amount of geometry being rendered here EVERY FRAME. And that's excluding the logic. VM time in the last 10 tics is 0.4ms which is pretty much standard on any level start that isn't a slaughterfest.

>>10564143
Indeed so. Its no Lilith, Ashes2063, or Plutonia in terms of overall quality in my eyes, but it did not deserve to be taken down from Itch.io, Nexus, nor Moddb because some people took it too seriously.

>>10564316
>240000 vertices
Fucking hell, I thought I had a big one here.

>>10564316
Result of profilethinkers 7. 2.4ms total time for 2100 zombiemen looks completely normal and expected to me. These are vanilla monsters after all. They don't do many collision or sight checks due to slower movement speed. Just to be sure I woke up all of the enemies but the think time mostly remained the same.

>>10564316
So what you’re saying is… it’s not optimized?

>>10564351
...Yeah, I think we should collectively lynch Graf.

>>10564351
The map is grossly unoptimized, yes. Look at that scene and then look at this >>10564332 and tell me the former has any business rendering so much more geometry for such a less complex-looking scene.

>>10564143
Why is moonman noteworthy? What’s the drama, what’s the wad?

I feel like I should put more stuff in this room, but not sure what.

>>10564382
Pipes draining out into the pool.

if a monster is set to 'invisible' in MBF21 spec, is there a way to set it as 'visible' with a player action e.g. walking over a linedef ? if so, how ?
i know you can 'activate thing' but this doesn't make the 'thing' visible just awkens it from a dormant state

>>10564382
lights
monsters :^)

>>10564380
>Why is moonman noteworthy?
It's an edgy gag gameplay mod that features a lot of content from /pol/.wad
That's about it. Last time I checked it didn't really have much in the way of unique gameplay mechanics, other than I vaguely recall Mecha Hilter's suit can be destroyed which leaves him suitless. At least I think that was in the Moonman mod.

>>10564380
Not him, but it's an old joke wad that has moonman and hitler as playable characters. Enemy graphics are replaced with blacks and jews. I don't think there was much drama. It was just removed from sites, because of the content. It's just a gameplay mod, there are no maps included.

>>10564394
You could remove the flag when it wakes up.

>>10564280
>>10564235
I went to the Eviternity 2 website and downloaded RC5. It crashes GzDoom on launch, and Woof will not even boot it up at all, so I have no fucking idea what the .wad is doing which they don't like, some kind of unconventional DeHackery?

Using DSDA, it starts, with a noticeable load time.
Doing IDCLEV36, I get to the level (after it has to load too, wtf it's a 1993 game and it has to load on my modern computer??!), and I get a very fucking noticeable dip in frames, as low as 46 or 47 when facing forward by the start, whereas turning around I get well over 200. Moving past the start, I get maybe around 100 frames on average just looking around with noclip and God Mode.

This level is a MASSIVE fucking beast though, LOOK at it. These are gigantic outdoors levels with grand architectures, and this is with old-ass 1993 era BSP rendering, no nice and modern luxuries for culling by distance or using long distance models and shit, all of
this is rendering in real time (and with AI that runs checks every 35th of a second when awoken). This level would not start with the original .exe, and it would measure frames in minutes at best on an old Pentium.

I don't know what performance I would get in GzDoom because I didn't get to try, but yeah, I could see why hardware rendering all of this, and with preciously little culling, would not run smoothly, especially considering the program has no ability to spread the load between different processor cores. Using the Slaughter Optimizer would be required here, because boy oh boy would thousands upon thousands of monsters all making calls at once add up quickly.

My conclusion is that MAP36 of Eviternity 2 is optimized like dogshit because it's a gigantic and vastly detailed outdoor vista with almost no culling. Doom was not designed for this shit, they're making it work, but it's a universe away from the original parameters.

>>10564380
The character? Because it was just some silly ass commercial that evolved into over 20 albums just shittalking black people and gays and it's fucking hilarious just how long the gimmick went on for.

>>10564406
Works fine on Nugget.

>>10564417
Does Nugget magically triple your frames?

>>10564420
All I know that it crashes with Woof and works without lag or loading times on Nugget. I haven't tested it with other source ports.

>>10564380
>What’s the drama
There is no drama. It's just an edgy mod made for the sake of being edgy. I think it was made by a /v/tard. Might be mistaken.
>>10564402
>That's about it.
Well there is this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGqk1DLMIR0

>>10564434
What kind of underdeveloped third world nation does this faggot live in where Moonman Doom is illegal?

>>10564420
Nugget is way lighter than dsda, but I wouldn't say it's triple times lighter.

>>10564405
how would i do this

>>10564382
Some spikes or shit pointing down from that top thing. I just watched Frankenstein's Bride and it would fit some lightning-collecting machinery. Hellish lightning, you know?

>>10564443
Sounds like Germany.

>>10564447
A_RemoveFlag

>>10564434
For me? It's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-xkwQ0AacE
In fact I need to download this because other Dorner Doom videos are disappearing.

>>10564443
I mean it's Midnight. This faggot has been clickbaiting Doom wads ever since he ran out of Doom Eternal news to milk off of.

>>10564452
MBF21 can't into decorate functions

>can't open Steam
>but can play Half Life
Now how will i get the updates
>inb4 upgrade
Fuck off

>>10564472
>can't open Steam
Why?

>>10564475
Windows 7 has been blocked on Steam for eternity.

>>10564478
Damn. Then I can't help you.

>>10564462
Pic related, and are you not using Decohack?

>>10564478
switch to linux

>>10564406
it crashes gzdoom on my machine as well

>>10562598
Checking out Field Intensity, it's cool how they reused a bunch of beta stuff

>>10564472
>Now how will i get the updates
Use SteamCmd to download game.
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD

>>10564521
Holy shit that's still a thing? Rad. Any PacSteam rememberers?

Quake II and Half-Life were not meant to be played without bi-linear filtering. People had GPUs by then.

>>10564542
bi/tri-linear filtering always looked like shit from the moment it was a thing. Only anisotropic filtering can rescue texture filtering to a passable level. Any less and nearest will actually be better. I don't know how anyone could tolerate that smeared look.

>>10564478
I liked Windows 7 too, but if you've got the option you kinda wanna move on. With some minor tinkering, you can delouse and debloat Windows 10, and replace the iPad layout for children with a replica of Windows 7's interface.

Or you could go for Linux, if chasing dependencies and griping with Wine sounds fun to you.

>>10564332
That does look gorgeous, though. What mod?

>>10564175
>Eternal runs better because it has LOD
>the most LOD'd model still has more triangles than all the sectors in the DOOM map
lol

Plus bruh it's his engine it's not even DOOM just add the sector culling to the engine lol. It's already only vanilla compatible with like, 2-3 wads and then the rest are broken, might as well make it actually perform well lol.

Why are 90% of the posts deleted

How come I always hear about purists using dosbox and not chocolate doom? Isn't dosbox emulation?

>>10564554
Depends on the game. Half-Life and Quake 2 look good without texture filtering, but looking at GoldenEye 64, or any N64 game really, the memory bottlenecks meant that they relied heavily on texture filtering, if you turned that off you would see certain surfaces turning into patches of massively blown up pixels because they are no longer smeared out like they were meant to.

>>10564542
Lol, larper. I was there when Q2 was released. I was a kid, but I was there and huge fps game fan since I got to play Wolfenstein on dad's office. Not everyone had good graphics card to play on opengl. Graphic cards with opengl were a new thing and cost a lot of money. Q2 and HL howerer had software rendering, so more kids got to play them.

I love Quake so much that I caused the San Francisco earthquake as a viral marketing campaign

>>10564586
Struggle: Antaresian Legacy Map28

Half-Life without texture filtering looks like a modern retro throwback shooter (derogatory)

>>10564618
I like the crisp looking textures. I also use square particles in Quake because anything feels wrong.

Just finished replaying Opposing Force.
Anyone who says that OF is as good as base Half-Life has brain worms or an extreme lack of taste. Still mostly fun but it never reaches any of HLs peaks

>>10564478
>using windows 7 in 2024
why

>>10564382
A big open flat room is not much fun IMO. You should add pillars to hide behind (maybe with sniper monsters on top).

>>10564626
Some people don't want to upgrade to the next version, or switch to Linux. I don't blame them, because 7 was very comfy.
I took the plunge into Linux mint personally, it's been pretty alright.

>>10564626
I get him. When I first had Win10 foisted on me, it comes with a shitty-ass iPad interface for fucking toddlers and I hated it with more than my own being.

>>10564658
huhu what a mess

>>10564542
check your 3D accelerator privilege, chvd

>>10564658

I'd can understand Steam not wanting to continue supporting Windows Vista and Windows 7 anymore, but why also Windows 8? either way, I'm thinking about plunging into either Linux Mint, or Debian, probably the former for me a la dual booting when I manage to get a larger main Hard Disk Drive to swap from my old on, and transfer at least some of the data I have in it. I'd prefer a SATA one from either Toshiba, Hitachi, Sandisk, WD, or Dell that has at least 512GB of total capacity, if not 750GB.

>>10564086

>>10564719
W8 isn't popular enough to keep supporting it

>>10564689
TOO BAD! I'll use Open GL and maybe HD textures on a few games along with Polymer on Eduke32 RedNukem, BuildGDX, and NotBLood when I want!

>>10564719
The only reason why Steam is no longer supporting Vista, 7 and 8 is because Google Chrome, the browser that Steam's client is based off of, doesn't support those OS either.

>>10564724
Yeah, I think Windows 8 was not really accepted by anyone at all.

>>10564727
Oh, I haven't forgotten that part. Though, as true as it is that Chrome is the basis for Steam's Client, Not all Chromium-based browsers and widgests are quite alike. Ungoogled Chromium, and especially Brave, have at least some strands of coding within their data files that sets them apart from Chrome and Edge.

>>10562602
>SUM TING /VR/Y WONG
it's still going on or it's just another of those abandoned projects like the serious sam one?

>>10564753
I'd leave it up to the organizer to decide when and if he's gonna throw in the towel.

>>10564719
If it's for vidya I'd try something with newer software like endeavour or nobara, mint is a good starting point but without flatpaks eventually you'll run into issues with outdated libraries

>>10564774
>Endeavour and nobara
I totally believe you on Endeavour being a thing in Linux, but nobara? WAT
Either way, they're is still Manjaro and OpenSUSE.

So, what's everybody playing?

I'm dicking about with The Penultimate Breakfast + Dakka and Samsara's Chex monsters, just because it's funny.

>>10564796
It's just fedora with kernel tweaks for vidya and steam pre installed by the guy that made proton-ge, endeavour is arch easy mode
>manjaro
bricked my system once, the maintainers are not the best

>>10564829
10/10

>>10564825
>Endeavor is arch easy mode
Basically, yeah. a light arch-based distro.

>>10564818
Going through some modded Valiant with Deathstrider. I might chip away at some Q1 or 2 playthroughs before I head to bed.

>>10564818
First time playing Blood.
Almost dropped it on the first episode, it's so fucking hard it almost filtered me.
I'm at the last level of E2 and I'm impressed, it's such a fun game (yes i'm playing on pink on the inside, I'll replay it on custom or broiled next)
somehow manages to be fun, easy at that difficulty but tiring at the same time, I can't seem to play more than 40/50 minutes at a time without needing a break.

>>10564895
just drop the difficulty if you find it too hard, the highest difficulty was originally planned to be used for coop only

>>10564829
>>10564836
With the endless and lazy repetition of ...
>my opinion vs your opinion
... object labeling template memes which make up almost all image macros these days, it was nice to see just silly shoops like those making the rounds. I like it when people just to shit like that only to be funny.

>>10564825
>endeavour is arch easy mode
Arch is as simple as Mint or Ubuntu (once installed), the main differences are comming from desktops, distros are pretty much invisible to the end user. Endeavour is mostly Arch with an installer and pre-configured desktops.

>>10564202
I was actually another anon, showing him your post that he skipped over.

>>10564143
It's retarded, but was funny for a bit.

>>10564818
I was playing Chex quest recently and it made me want to make a TC where an cereal company targeted at adults, something like wheatabix or some absurdity, saw Chex quest and decided to make an in-box doom clone themselves. But they'd miss the point on a lot of shit. Like overtly sexualizing things to appeal to their adult market, overly gory, needless cursing. But still have "wheatabix" billboards, and "wheatabix police force" and such all over in their gritty dystopian futuristic setting.
All other brands are dead or dying in the gutter, only wheatabix survives to stand in the way of total mutant domination...
Can our heroine, armed with nothing but her dominatrix gear and whip, save the world from sugary mutated cereal monsters...
I guess the enemies would all be mutated versions of mascots, but realistic.
The more I kick the idea around the more fun it sounds. Doesn't have to be wheatabix, it's just the stupidest example I could think of.

stupid shit episode 2, wherein I fail at AABB bounce math (what am I supposed to do when I hit a line edge-on btw?) but the playing area is decoupled from the screen.

>>10563432
>>evil ssg songs
https://youtu.be/Lbg7jzarrQU?si=aed3n8WF8doreiyu

>>10564818
JPCP Final Doomer set and Diabolus Ex is a great combo. Very few maps where you can quasi-stealth most of it with the pistol.

>>10565041
I really wish there were more like Diablolus Ex, shit was really fucking fun.

>>10564753
>>10564773
Yeah, it's still being developed. The lack of optimism is uncalled for. Labeling someones project as dead will only discourage others from contributing, thereby killing the project. It's self fulfilling and disingenuous.

I don't want to give an impression of project hogging either. I hope somebody starts up a Doom, Q2r, HL, etc mapset. Multiple projects would be a positive development and allow anons to mod whatever game they perfered.

>>10565076
There are literally no rules, anyone can start a project for any game right now in this thread. You just can't be surprised if people aren't that interested in mapping for these nearly 30 year old games. I'm not discouraging or trying to discourage you, just springboarding off your post. I hope Sumting Wong goes well, and I'd map for it if I didn't have my own projects.

>>10564941
>Arch is as simple as Mint or Ubuntu
Yeah I agree, that was my experience with it
>>10564818
Field Intensity, Point of View and Alkaline are next

>>10565096
>>10564505
>>10564031
I don't really like Field Intensity. The voice acting rubs me particularly wrong, just really bad and I don't like bad voice acting in Half-Life stuff unless it's intentionally cheesy.
>>10564031
Sweet Half-Life
Peaces Like Us

>>10565105
Here
https://www.moddb.com/mods/field-intensity/addons/fanmade-patch-half-life-field-intensity-ai-voice-remake

Pic unrelated

>>10565145
>Somebody disliked the voice acting more than I did enough to do this
Fucking madman. Maybe now I'll finish it. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

>>10565083
Well said. I never expected a huge turnout, but even with one or two dudes we could make something happen. I've seen "is it dead" talk obliterate projects before they get rolling and it's just frustrating. Hope your projects go well too anon.

>>10565076
>Labeling someones project as dead will only discourage others from contributing
But I haven't seen any updates since november, not even news or screenshots of progress, nothing. so that's why I asked.

>>10565169
I've been trying to provide updates when screenshot saturday rolls around, if you haven't seen those posts that would be understandable. I really ought to post more stuff if that's the case.

>>10565076
>>10565083
>>10565160
Doesn't need to be huge to be a fun group project. 500ml Of /vr/ was a couple of guys getting together and making maps for Blood for a little while, and the end result was 8 something pretty nice levels, and that was well worth it.

>>10565169
That's not that long time.

>>10564152
https://vkdoom.org/download

I'm gonna make another map, fuck it

>>10565392
Based map maker

>>10565392
Nice.

Are there any must play Descent map packs/mods? Or at least any classic 6dof shooters I've missed out on playing(played the Descent trilogy, Overload, Miner Wars but those two weren't retro)?

in the dsda-doom cfg, how can I specify the doom2 wad location?, I have it in another folder and I'd like to keep it there

>>10565392
you sick fuck

>>10565392
at least buy it dinner first

>>10564952
Ah, my apologies then.

>>10564478
I know it may seem hard to believe, but 10 can and has been thoroughly de-bloated at this point. You can turn updates off. You can get the version that is supported until 2030.
Its okay to move on from Windows 7.

>>10565548
anybody has any luck at emulating EAX on windows 10/11?
i can't seem to have it work with any solution and it's barring me from replaying some 90's/00's shooters cause i'm too tistic about it.

so what are those weird-ass values in DEHACKED?
in normal script you'd see height/width below 40 for projectiles (like rocket) and speed is also low (rocket has 20 or 25)

>>10565553
>Drop in "OpenAL Soft" into %AppData%/Roaming folder and set it up to your liking with exe configurator
>Copy soft_oal.dll of needed architecture from the bin folder, 32-bit one into SysWOW64 or 64-bit one into System32 folder respectively, and rename it to OpenAL32.dll
>Copy "dsoal" implementation called dsound.dll into the game folder of your choice alongside previous soft_oal.dll copy now renamed into dsoal-aldrv.dll
>Enable EAX inside the game settings and enjoy binaural audio as how you set it on the first step
Doesn't work? That's approx guideline, should be more precise and in detail somewhere on the Internet if I mistyped anything by chance. Worked with Thief for me.

>>10565548
Thank God, I don't use Steam and I don't need Windows 10 either.

>>10564490
>>10564564
>>10564626
HaikuOS for me, in best traditions of id as Doom was first developed on the NeXTSTEP

>>10565628
thanks i'll retry tonight

GZDoom is not retro.

>>10562598
Can projectiles have custom death states or only monsters?
Trying to recreate ultra kill coin ricochet, I wonder if I can spawn launch a lost soul-like monster with gravity to simulate an arch.

What was your first game in the new years? mine was playing Doom1.
I love Doom 1 levels over Doom 2 but I like Doom 2 monsters and weapons.

Damn, sneaking in unmodded Deus Ex is turtleish slow, have to abuse diagonal movement while crouching to barely outpace npcs. Gives the impression that a baton is only a formal accessory.

>>10565747
Like, I couldn't possibly have been abusing an engine bug decades ago as a first time experience to make use of the tools I was given. And it's called GOTY edition nonetheless.

>>10565747
stealth playthrough in og deus ex is shit and I don't know why people bother

the map is kinda underwhelming (and needlessly big) but at least this effect is pretty cool, esp the crunchy bones audio

Is there a map pack that's the original Quake 1 campaign but not so brown?

is there an easy way to improve visibility / make map brighter without changing in-game brightness/gamma? as in within the map itself
some of the maps in the last part of Eviternity 2 (and the first map for that matter) are so dark it's obnoxious

I HATE THE EBON FORTRESS

>>10565751
Well, tranq darts aren't nearly as bad as people use to say, guys sure run around screaming but don't lock on to your position like ESPs in GMDX if you're hidden. And running up spraying n' tasing is also very legit, not to mention gas grenades when you don't have augs to further diversify your stealth tactics. There are plenty of tools besides the baton, and then all cards get thrown open for me when you no longer have to deal with common Joe revolutionaries.

>>10565783
>GMDX
You have to go back, zoomie.

>>10565769
Woof/Nugget has separate "Level brightness" tweak which ups all sectors brightness incrementally, I think it was taken from Unity.

>10565786
Get raped by a gang of elephants and choke on gallons of their hot boiling phlegm, you twink faggot (you)

Finished Eviternity 2. I liked it a lot, especially the custom monsters, but there's more "style over substance" parts than I'd like. The final boss in particular is a joke difficulty-wise, there's a bunch of megaspheres lying around but I took maybe 200 dmg total on my first attempt of the map - it's all showy particle spam that you just circle-strafe as always.
I found it surprising how much my enjoyment depended on artstyle. Given how it's six mini-mappacks in one wad it was easy to contrast them. I didn't have fun in any of the aztec maps, cause I didn't like the palette, even though they were decent maps; I enjoyed the hell out of all Chapter IV (medieval/villagey) maps cause they looked cool.
Perforator was a great addition, fuck the haters (admittedly it is somewhat op)

Sakura > Mew Mew

>>10565796
oh, sometimes navigating the map is a bit of a pain in the ass. the last chapter in particular was annoying about it, what with being pretty damn dark. I'd run in circles having no idea what I was really looking for once too many.
Could use one basic bitch slaughter map too, I feel. It did *kinda* have the map26 Myriad but the fight was garbage since you were running around with 30fps due to how much modded enemies were spewing technicolor vomit, so you just spammed BFG all day and hoped nightmare cacos were busy elsewhere.

>>10565756
I think you need a plumber

>>10565802
No arguments here. Author's bold claims of "True DX vision" aside I think it was pretty fine mod to revisit the game in novel fashion, I'll be missing its smooth tactile bobbing animation the most and some the new detour exploration locations the less which is possibly the only slight gripe I have with it. I think author is working to give Quake similar treatment via Darkplaces atm.

I've yet to try Revision or whatever it's called.

Do you guys ever fear that these threads and others about modding and hacks and maps and whatnot will all disappear and no one will miss it at some point

Youtube is reccing me some cool new mods

>>10565854
>ACKo demons

>>10565853
No. >>10565854

>>10565853
Every play gets a curtain end, enjoy a moment while it lasts. Although I won't negate the highly plausible chance of this particular zeitgeist reoccurring somewhere in different yet familiar manner, people love entertainment.

>>10565853
Probably. There are some generals from years past that no longer exist, or are a shell of its former self.

>>10565003
It's all about the normal-directions, or you could use a Verlet-integration.

I was playing Zero Tolerence for the Genesis and realized the level design is basically working against the gameplay.

Huge open levels with dozens of enemies you can't see in a game that throws you across the room when you're shot doesn't work.

Just a quick first test map but I think the game would work much better if the maps are smaller, tighters, more doors (which helps balance the enemies charging you). Works better with the limited playing field, moving slowly, checking corners, less Duke Nukem 3D (for Genesis lol) and more Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey.

Gameplay wise the game wants you to kill all of the enemies on each level before proceeding, there's no puzzle solving or even keycard collecting like DOOM. There's a Fire Extinguisher though, could give a bit of DOOMRPG vibes but I digress. The game's very limited viewpoint can become quite immersive when you imagine trudging along alone slowly in a tight, cramped space station, one team member behind the other in a tin can that's on the edge of collapse in the upper atmosphere.

>>10564818
Been playing Somewhere In Hell with vanilla Doom 2 maps

>>10563247
>didn't even try to cull things
You mean just delete textures from walls you don't see, or is there some more complicated process for this? Honest question

>>10565932
Linedefs behind one-sided linedefs are not rendered.

>>10565902
Suspect I need to use the clipped line output of the liang-barsky clipper I use for line collision to handle corner snagging somehow

>>10565756
The broken glass looks like confetti.

>>10565613
just convert to binary and shift the bits (it was 8 bits i think?)

>>10565796
the fallen heaven, snowy and fall maps are my favorite

>>10566002
16.

>>10566002
Dehacked patches were not meant to be witnessed by human eyes.

>>10566025
yeah that looks right

>>10566030
28 sounds a little too much for radius. 14 (>> 16) is more legit.

>>10565854
why those specimens are so obsessed over their sexuality?

spent a while making a map trying to use DSDA/MBF21 features for the first time:
https://litter.catbox.moe/qj329b.wad
looking for criticism if you can be arsed, it's very short

>>10566069
Seems like you are using UDMF instead.

>>10566069
Isnt MBF21 map features literally just insta kill floors and lines that can be only crossed by either players or enemies?

I don't get it. You have a frustrating fight with Revenants, tons of screen shake, and then a crusher kills you.

>>10566069
I don't get it. You have a frustrating fight with Revenants, tons of screen shake, and then a crusher kills you.

>>10566086
meant to be a cave collapse that you run through, perhaps too abstract

Socond ProDoomer stream will start at 17:00 GMT today, about 3 hours from now
Will try to use Shadowplay this time so hopefully it would not be so choppy as the last one.

>>10566109
I figured it out eventually, the lighting is just too flat to immediately make out where you're supposed to go.

>>10566082
Pretty much, but you can do a bunch of new shit with enemies (infighting, splashdamage, boss death triggers) and weapons. The rest is in the extended Dehacked capability.

>>10566118
>won’t be done waging until 5 hours after stream airs
Dang, hopefully I can watch the upload

I am running out of puns using "base"...
I have made Amaze Base, Technical Base, Base D, Brutal Base, Ment Base, Outer Outer Base, and now Dia Base.
What do I do?

>>10566146
I forgot, I also used Debase.

>>10566146
Contrabase

>>10566146
>based base, beyond base, buoyant base, blazed base, debased, THE base
This is hard and I’m not that good

>>10566146
Space Base
Basicity / Base Ick
Free Base
Home Base
Fifth Base

>>10566151
>>10566146
Mom's Base(ment)
Parentheses optional.

>>10566146
Bassé
"Bajs :DDD"
Trailbaze

>>10566118
So the software I used to watch chat while i play fucked right off and does not want to work. Does anyone here knows what free software I can use to display Youtube chat on top of the game window both for me and the viewers?

>>10566164
>display Youtube chat on top of the game window both for me and the viewers?
My advice: Don't overlay it for the viewers, it attracts spambots.
I would just just put the chat up on a second monitor if possible, or run the game in a window with the chat on the side.

>>10566165
Don't really have second monitor. I used what one youtuber suggested - a Twitch strema chat overlay with Botrix bot workaround - bot translates to a widget that overlays the chat in the game. The problem this time is that bot didn't want to connect this time for whatever reason so the software could not pick up on the chat at all.

If I use a window, wouldnt the resolution of the output be all fucked up since it won't be 1080p, and thus will get downscaled to 720 with Bandwidth cut to boot?

What did shitwad anon use?

>>10566146
>>10566151
>>10566153
>>10566159
I forgot, I haven't used Ace of Base yet.
Unless someone else will or has already.

>>10566149
>>10566185

>>10566146
Purple Base (weed themed, Romero's head replaced with Snoop)
Database
Basic Bitch
Master Baser
Heavy Base
>>10566159
>"Bajs :DDD"
:DDD

>>10566176
Admittedly I was speaking from experience with OBS, Shadowplay might complicate things like projecting a window to a larger canvas, but if you can, scaling from 1600x900 to 1920x1080 is fine, since it will go through stream compression anyway.
I have no idea what shitwadanon's setup was.

astral cacos from eviternity need a longer refractory period

>>10566198
>Database
Oh, that is perfect. Why did I not think of that...

>>10566146
DROP THE BASE!!!

>2024
>94p development started in 2022

>>10566146
Base: The final frontier
Base off

>played half life and doom
Now what

>>10566228
Duke3D and Quake, they're great games in their own right, and even if you've already played HL, it will probably still be interesting to see where it gets its DNA.

acidic base
fishing for base
based

>>10566146
Base 16

>>10566075
it seems i am retarded

>>10566247
#BA5E16

>>10565926
Oh fuck, I forgot that had come out, shit looks awesome.

>>10566146
Have you tried using "Cringe" instead?

Any good custom mapsets for doom 3?

>>10566351
Doom 3 Phobos is a big fun one

>>10565853
I play ut2004, you tell me

>>10566118
>>10566118
The stream is on! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-nCGhQicIA

>>10566146
postbase
baseline
surbase

>>10566146
all your base

>>10566146
tecno: the base
https://dominictarason.medium.com/tecno-the-base-a-forgotten-fps-5df9db668864
play it, it's a good game