/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10542612
Okami has a very similar scene to the one in ALttP. Considering how much Kamiya loves it, maybe that's what inspired him. Speaking of Okami, the whole game kinda feels like that desu

>>10542615
I’ve been putting off playing this shit for like a decade, I think it’s time. Is there an agreed-upon “best” version?

>>10542612
soul

>>10542612

>>10542612
These honestly isn't anything that comes close to how well Zelda does this and gives the sense that you are in a timeless place that connects different aspects of reality.

There are parts of Chrono Trigger and FFX that are very atmospheric and do something simile, but Zelda, specifically OoT and WW, gives so much more weight to what's there, as its world is so much more tangible.

Maybe someone knows a better MGS-related one, but this room always gives me special "shit got real" vibes

>>10542612
I'd go for something like the Chaos Shrine, maybe something like Citadel of Trials fits the theme more though. That kind of place.

>>10542617
Any is probably fine these days except Wii. Great game. It's like Arx Fatalis but actually polished + Zelda. Just has a slow start

revisiting the police station in re3

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ZtH5VcG_A&pp=ygUbUm9tYW5jaW5nIHNhZ2EgMyBtYXVzb2xldW0g

The planetarium on Myst island. Hit the switch to turn the lights off, and enjoy the stars. The music is an oddly haunting but serene track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zboL71iRFBE&t=207s
Of note, in the 3D Treehouse of Horror episode of Simpsons, it sounds a bit like they cribbed from that when Homer passes the building that looks suspiciously like the library from Myst island. About 2:43 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dvavcX9I8g

>>10542612
Almost all of Enhasa, especially when you're doing your initial sightseeing.

I want to talk about places in FF6, but none come to mind. I have to be missing something. The floating continent part almost, but not quite, makes the cut. Help me out, bros.

Too new for /vr/, but:
I was flying straight up from the Gerudo Desert and looked southwest towards where the ravine empties into the beach, and the lands beyond. I then thought "I want to go there".
Sunrises off the coast of Akkala are also nice to look at. Coastal sunrises are kind of exotic in California.

>>10542612
Alyth's tits

>>10542612
I've tried to think of anything else, but nothing matches Zelda with that feeling of reverence. and not just the resting place of the Master Sword, but also places like the Ether Monolith on Death Mountain, or the Kokiri village in OoT. there are only a couple things I can think of that come close. Antiquity from Chrono Trigger feels like you shouldn't even be there, it's like a liminal space in time. and the Chozo statues in Metroid, just waiting there, some ancient artifact beyond understanding.

I think part of the effect must be that it's a safe place, no enemies, it's a place specifically to hold something sacred.

>>10542743
Based

>>10542791
>>10542638
lol. imagine being so deep into fanboyism that not only is zelda the first game with one cool mystical place you think of, which is fair, but you make it that it's the #1 of all time you literally can't think of anything better. It's not even that amazing, it's kind of average. Hello? It's a place with a sword.

Music or intentional omission thereof also helps, which is something games like Zelda do masterfully

>>10542804
Lol we both gave similar reasoning and posted the exact same "next best" example we could think of. And you have no examples of your own, acting like a basic contrarian. OoT specifically is so far ahead of everything in terms of 'atmospheric depth and complexity' that second place barely matters, and I know I can say this with confidence.

It's not like there are even a dozen games that do anything to this level. Tomb Raider and Dark Souls could also serve as examples, but in the latter's case it's the Undead Asylum that gives really strong feelings of sublime isolation above anything else in the game.

>>10542646
what game?

>>10542837

>>10542840

>>10542848

Ice Cavern from OoT is a good one. Something about that simple track and the ice all around...

>>10542612
The window in Eat the Path, in Marathon: Infinity

>>10542612
>whatever else you're listening to

If I have to listen to something else that interferes with the game to that extent, then I probably don't care enough about the game to play it at all.

Seeing the Halo the first time

>>10542612
I never played wind waker but holy shit that looks bad

>>10542662
basado

>>10542984
Being real, it's one of the most impressive games of its generation and still one of the best-looking toon games. The shot OP used is clearly out of bounds

>>10542612
The top of Mt. Ordeals was always really intense for me. What a way to introduce the Fiends. You fight a boss fight in front of a bridge just before your important objective, and just when you think it's over and you're back to the map screen, you walk across and not only are you ambushed from behind, but it's by an enemy that far outclasses what you've faced so far, with a whole new boss theme. And then after that you still have to complete the challenge to become a paladin, which involves facing your own inner darkness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fBOQdbWcRY

>>10543162
I love how creamy everything in it looks

>>10542804
Worst of all, Zelda OOT is a glorified prerendered background game, there is nothing special about that. But what can you do when it comes to zelda fanatics, they only know two games, OOT and Mario 64.

>>10542664
>>10542750
Based

>>10543192
>OOT is a glorified prerendered background game

Maybe not sublime but Garcian's trailer fits the description

>>10542612
>widescreen GC TP
How?

>>10543198
you're reading bog standard tripe that some posters here like to post to incite anger and get attention. Pretty commonplace nowadays.

>>10543221
That's a good one. I love how Kain turns the place into his throne room after laying waste to Nosgoth.

I always liked Ghaleon's garden

>>10542638
>>10542791
>>10542804
>>10542819
I don't want to start a thing, because everyone is going to enjoy what they enjoy but it has also felt kind of odd to me how much Zelda fans hold it above so many other games. Link to the Past looks neat, and Wind Waker is impressive but I honestly have no clue what anyone sees in Ocarina of Time or MM, they have both always looked hideous to me. But then I was against 3D graphics in general for a long time. Still to this day few things can match the sublime grandeur of a place like 2D art. Lake Kilma in Legend of Mana always had a special place.

>>10543370
>it has also felt kind of odd to me how much Zelda fans hold it above so many other games

You're going to hate the way it sounds when I say this, but we hold it above other game series so much because, despite what great things other games might achieve or what experiences we might have with them, Zelda *at its best* just offers another level of experience beyond everything else, and it's simply because I (and no doubt many other people) am only being honest about my experiences and how they compare that I say that Zelda achieves what it does and is uniquely good at that (which, I have to make clear, is very different from saying the games are 'flawless'), as to say otherwise and act like there are other games that pull off this same sense of total greatness in my eyes would be dishonest. I believe, completely honestly, that this isn't a matter of Zelda fans not being aware of what other games do, and simply latching on to Zelda out of ignorance, but rather that Zelda somehow achieves certain close to miraculous feeling qualities in ways I don't honestly understand, even if I can happily discuss their nature with other people who also feel similarly. In 3D Zelda especially, it's the feelings created by purposeful contrasts in 3D space that really astonish you when you experience them.

I'm not even a Zelda fan, I hate most of the series, unfortunately everything else is shit. Sturgeon's Law is real, but it's actually 99%.

>>10542773
Maybe nursing Cid or relaunching the airship

>>10543485
I don't hate your attitude at all, it's more that I just don't get it. I liked LttP and LA a good deal and had a great time with Wind Waker until the final dungeon felt like a rehash. But the Oracles games, Minish Cap, Twilight Princess, the DS ones, that LtyP remake etc bored me long before I finished them. Like the series is of a generally pretty high quality but to me it's never seemed anywhere near as good as the vocal fans sound like they feel about it. And to the point where fans will genuinely say they think OoT is a beautiful looking game and I just feel like we're on different planets.

>>10543506
This 100% it's a good series but it's not as great as nintendrones push it as. It's like some kind of brainslug.

>>10543485
>>10543506
To put it more concisely, if I made a list of my top 20 games there probably wouldn't be a Zelda entry on there, despite a good chance of ones called Zelda clones like Okami or even Beyond Oasis. But for many Zelda fans it seem like out of the top 20, at least half could be Zelda entries. And not to say one of us is more right or wrong than the other, but it's funny from the outside trying to see what the love is.

>>10543485
Not the same guy.
I don't 'hate' your attitude, I just wonder if it's an honest one, given that Zelda is a deeply unambitious series from any artistic perspective.
The plots are literally more derivative than any jrpg you can pick at random and the same could be said about its plain characters. The songs are simple midis without any creativity or ambition, the world is the same generic fantasy land we have seen loads of times... Or when people act like those zombies with mask are the most scary thing ever, it just sounds so much as bullshit...
This might be related to Zelda being among the few N64 games that tried to emulate an adventure and not having anything else to compare them with.

>>10542612
+ music

Halo gets memed a lot, but there’s several moments, especially in the first game, where you stand over these massive chasms in the interior structures that are meant to give a sense of just how huge the inner workings of the ring are.
The most obvious one is in Silent Cartographer after you unlock the door to the map room complex: it’s actually optional, there’s an overhanging platform you can walk out onto that will trigger a short cutscene looking down into the chasm. There’s a sense of scale and mystery to the ring interiors that can be comparable to the manga Blame!
Also, given the story context of what the ring is (this is made clearer with story reveals from Halo 2 and 3, and in context of Marathon/Bungie deep lore) the entire Halo ring (and in a meta-sense, the games themselves) is meant to be something of a holy place, that effects the minds of sentient species who interact with it.

I will compare Zelda: Ocarina of Time, and the Temple of Time to this. I think they do have similar intentions, or at least the artists were working from similar blueprints. Even Super Mario 64, with Peach’s castle: you could argue that has moments of feeling a bit magical and awe inspiring, at least on a first playthrough.
Paper Mario has the star summit area, and that’s another good example.

>>10542637
Lmao, don't worry brother, I get you.

First minutes of this level for me. Shame you barely even go there in this series and it's mostly generic shit

>>10543370
>I don't get why Zelda is so loved!
>posts Legend of Mana, a game that's essentially just a cute-background simulator with random story, cryptic random game design, Frankenstein combat that doesn't know what it wants to be and effectively no level design or interactivity
Zelda just isn't for your kind. You actually have to like video games. Don't worry about it

>>10542615
You even get a sword there

Baten Kaitos is a game that feels like that almost all the time for me

>>10544525
There's a lot in this game come to think of it

>>10543506
wat gaem

>>10543506
not him but do you legitimately look at OoT and think it's ugly? i'd happily grant that there are some ugly things (the tree backdrops in lost woods being one), but you can say that for any game. you really can't just stand in hyrule field for a minute, looking out at a vista of rolling hills and trees and a farm house in the distance as the sun sets and the sky moves and water rushes down a creek, and somehow don't find that entrancing? different planets, clearly.

>>10542646
What game?
>>10542612
Zeal in Chrono Trigger

>>10543370
Legend of Mana is the deadest game I've ever played. That's not zoomer slang, I mean it's soulless, dead, and cold. I find it a profoundly offensive affront to the concept of a game experience in general. It's like the game equivalent of an elephant a blind man would draw after being told about it but never seeing or touching one.
Its desperate attempt to cram in "charm" through its art style rings hollow when it comes across designed only to preen and strut about its own existence and make no acknowledgement of anyone desiring to play it. "But the illustrations are so pretty!" is irrelevant when the gameplay is the design equivalent of Googleslop.

>>10544907
nta but I love oot and I would say it is still broadly ugly. what visual beauty it contains is in spite of its methods, not because of them. it's like looking at western paintings before brunelleschi: it's no ding against the artists to say that pre-perspective architecture and composition were childish, ugly, and incomplete -- they were working with the tools they had at the time and abandoned them the instant the superior method arrived. no one would go back to the low res hyrule castle town fixed camera background because it's objectively awful, how could you blame anyone for recoiling from that if they didn't first encounter it as a child?

>>10543485
Correct.
>>10543667
You are absolute garbage. Truly an insufferable example of a human being. It's one thing to have your own opinions; to doubt that someone else is being honest about theirs, because of your own smug pretensions and posturing? Utterly contemptible.

>>10543506
>wE'rE oN dIfFerEnt PlaNeTs!
Yes, you're living on the soulless world where cheap appeal to aesthetics and a pretentious sense of artiness supplants the need for an overall cohesive experience and an emotional connection with a game on a level beyond "look how stylish this screenshot would be if i hung a print on my wall". Superficiality is the word that best describes your world.

>>10544940
>>10543536
>>10544956

I haven't played LoM myself, so I've refrained from commenting on it, but the sense that these comparison screenshots are being chosen because they look pretty as still images, and not because they exist to be a part of a greater cohesive experience, is the impression I've been getting from this. Like I know from playing Okami in particular that it doesn't have the same 'architectural sense' that OoT does, it has a pretty looking style, but there isn't the same kind of 'feeling of structure' to it. Like, when playing OoT, it's this sense of landscape composition, architecture etc. that the visuals are conveying to you, like you are in every scene experiencing a small part of a larger coherent sculpture existing in space and time, and that's what people absolutely adore about it. So while it does have ugly textures that could be improved, it still achieves its particular kind of beauty despite the technical limitations it was under.

>>10542612

sorry for the other zeldafags. I respect your opinion that you enjoy legend of mana more than zelda. I never played it, and I only played a little of secret of mana. the reason I don't know of any "sublime" places from that series is because I haven't played it, not because it doesn't have any.

as for oot looking ugly, I can agree. I don't play nintendo games for the graphics, but oot is exceptionally hideous. at the time I thought it was cool and gritty. however, a lot of the ugliness is from the early 3d. if you want to really see how badly the hardware was holding back games, just look at the original smash bros.

>>10545054
>as for oot looking ugly, I can agree. I don't play nintendo games for the graphics, but oot is exceptionally hideous
This opinion is even more deranged than pretending to be a Zelda fan for credibility

>>10543212
I've always hated OOT for its mandatory fishing and gambling segments.

>>10543370
It's mostly down to Nintendofags just being very sheltered and ignorant of games outside of their bubble. They play Mario, they play Zelda, they play some other Nintendo franchises, they may even play some third party games on Nintendo consoles and that's all they know.

>>10545083
which side are you trying to support with this clip?

>>10545108
The one that isn't shitposting zoomers

>>10545117

>>10545117
two can play the cherrypicking game

I don't understand this weird idea that it's one or the other all or nothing. I don't give a fuck about Mario 2d or 3D. Never played metroid or any of that. But those old 3D Zelda games are something really special. The hate against them (different from criticism) just seems so silly. Like what are you saying. Can you think of another game that delivers on the same shit? They're basically its own genre. You an be reductive and bring up other 3D action adventures and try to pull technicalities. CV64,MML, tomb raider. But listen those games play nothing like these ones. It just reeks of contrarianism. They aren't perfect games but they are very good. The ending sequence of OoT is probably the best ending I've ever played even going to modern games.

>>10545085
It has neither of these things

>>10545129
What side are YOU supporting?

>>10545054
>oot is ugly
? Compared to what? Its on par or better than everything else that was coming out
>gritty
????

>>10545003
>I haven't played LoM myself, so I've refrained from commenting on it
It's a very strong contender for literally the worst game ever made.

>>10545083
I love the river. Unassuming but filled with character and smaller, missable things to find. It really captures the feeling of playing outside as a child

>>10545138
>Compared to what?
Banjo
Goemon
Conker
Megaman Legends
Half-Life
Quake
Spyro
MGS
Vagrant Story
etc

>>10545130
I have no interest in 3D zelda games. The sense of exploration, adventure, mysticism, and awe I experienced with the 2D games, the very first title in the series most of all, outweighs anything little Timmy felt chewing on his purple N64 controller and watching toddler Link fiddle with his flute after 30 minutes of tutorial text.

>>10545147
I love Goemon and you are retarded. Stop posting

>>10545148
Good for you

>>10545142
The child part as a whole does a good job at that, though

>>10545150
>cherry picked
>still better than hyrule field

>>10545159

Oh he's just fucking around. Whatever.

>>10545083
this looks even comfier with the snowflakes

>>10545161

>>10545160
>>cherry picked
True I tried to make it look as good as possible because I like it
>still better than hyrule field
The textures are significantly worse and it's even emptier

>>10545117
I didn't say anything about sony. oot and mm are hideous. I don't even care for twilight princess, but look at this. the n64 games look like shit, mostly because of technical limitations, but that's just an excuse, they still look like shit.

>>10545181
Can't you just go back to >>>/v/ with your zoomerposting? Both OoT and MM look perfectly adequate for their generation and their visuals were praised more than criticized in 99% of reviews

Genuinely good thread until the obsessed anti-Nintendo menace showed up

What’s up with all these gay Zelda threads lately? wtf

>>10545181
It's not just technical limitations. There's far better looking games on the N64. It's bad art direction and laziness. Remember that a shitton of textures in first party N64 games are just downscaled shit from a literal asset pack. Meanwhile a game like Quake has coherent art direction with 100% unique textures specifically made for that game, and it shows.

>>10545181
Ok we get it. Aren't you a bit old to have forum wars. What is your goal here? Why do you care what other people think looks good? I think TP looks like shit.

>>10545170
Playing Zelda 2 gives me the same kind of feeling I get reading the Odyssey or some other ancient heroic epic. Looking at OoT and the other 3d zeldas the style always just felt like a baby's cartoon show. Even Twilight Princess doesn't interest me, by that point they'd taken the whole concept of Link as a character in a direction that I not only find uninteresting but strikes me as being too married to an idea they should have outgrown.
>we've got to keep using the guy in the green skirt and pointy cap.
It works in a basic, imaginative setting from a period of time where all we could render were straightforward archetypical ideas within the limitations that were available. It doesn't work anymore in an advanced modern setting clinging to its most recent surface level ideas and injecting complexity in the form of increased gimmicks and subverted story to differentiate itself.

the resident evil save rooms

>>10545198
I think you're just a bit of a stick in the mud. I mean you sound old and you still think Link wears a skirt.

>>10545198
You've lost clarity from your overstuffed lexicon.

>>10545195
>What is your goal here?
Obviously derailing the thread. You know he's serious about it when he starts blatantly samefagging

Shame /vr/ jannies have a bone to pick with Nintendo and nothing is ever done about it, even though the last 10 posts are off-topic and have nothing to do with the OP

Grown men near or in their 40s who still never learned how pointless this opinionated shit is.

>>10545190
This shitshow was literally started because Zeldafags couldn't just appreciate nice places in their games but just had to claim how their games stand far above the rest as the greatest games ever made by a huge margin ( they're not)
>>10542638
>>10542791
just can't help it

>>10545215
fuck you, mother fucker.

>>10545218
You literally have PTSD from 2000s forum wars on gamefaqs. Holy fuck. I hope you get treated.

>>10545225
sorry the only game your parents could afford for you back in the 90s isn't the greatest game ever made

>>10545227
The equivalent of an old man who grabs his M14 and hides under the bed when he hears fireworks but more pathetic.

>>10545218
>This shitshow was literally started because Zeldafags couldn't just appreciate nice places in their games but just had to claim how their games stand far above the rest as the greatest games ever made by a huge margin ( they're not)
And you can't just prove them wrong by posting places that are better? You have to go on a revisionist off-topic rampage about Zelda games being ugly?

>>10545230
Anon I don't even know what GameFAQs is. I'm what you geriatrics would call a "zoomer". That's why I can look at your grandpa games objectively without massive nostalgia goggles and tell you OoT is mid.

>>10542750
I don't get it, why spend hours and hours working on that building-front only for players to dash through in a second?

>>10545147
>Banjo
If OoT looked like Banjo the game would've flopped. It's gaudy and clusterfuckish. Also much smaller
>Goemon
Dito
>Conker
Dito
>Spyro
Dito
>MGS
>Half-Life
Not remotely similar. Not even sure if they have any grass
>Megaman Legends
Doesn't even have normal textures and looks like picrel half the time
>Quake
The water literally doesn't even move if you mean the PS1 version
>Vagrant Story
Dungeon crawler with tiny rooms that all look the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GVE4a8ULww&t

All of those are much smaller in scale and gameplay possibilities. Imagine derailing a thread for this

>>10545236
>And you can't just prove them wrong by posting places that are better?
There's no point as Nintendofags only know Nintendo games.

>>10545251
But you insisting that Zelda is ugly will convince them (instead of just ruining a comfy thread for everybody)? I see

Have you ever considered a therapist? Not trying to be mean

>>10545249
>spyro
>gaudy and clusterfuckish
you wouldn't know a coherent artstyle if it stared you in the face

>>10545254
This. It consistently looks like playdoh shit

>>10545253
the thread was long in shitposting mode when I joined in.

>>10545260
True, anti-Zelda-kun was already at it since >>10542984
>I s-swear I never played WW before but this is the ugliest game ever! >:)
>>10545054
>I s-swear I'm a Zelda fan but Zelda games are the ugliest games ever! >:)
His gabage posts would be only half as bad if he cut out the dishonesty and samefagging

>>10545259
Are you really retarded enough to think I'm saying that OoT should just have the exact artstyle of those games?
How do you even get that Idea when I name Spyro and Quake in the same post?

>>10545267
>you can't like Zelda while thinking OoT is ugly
lol
wait til you find out that I like OoT as well. It's just fucking ugly.

>>10545259
compared to playdoh mixed with gravel

>>10545254
>this is the guy accusing others of cherrypicking

>>10545259
Spyro's plainness becomes apparent when you compare it with the remaster
>castle doesn't have a single window, door or whatever detail
Nintendo wouldn't even greenlight this game

lil bro really dumped on VAGRANT STORY to defend ANY N64 game

>>10545281
>what is LoD

>>10545281
>that waterfall
kek

>>10545284
Not helping your case

>>10545285
>graphicsfags still don't understand the difference between artstyle and graphical fidelity
You know, graphicsfaggotry is pathetic, but graphicsfaggotry for 20+ year old systems is just sad

Zelda sucks bro

I'm not the biggest Chrono Trigger fan but going through an ancient floating island of enlightened beings while Corridors of Time plays is still one of the most beautiful things in video games

>>10545267
>you can't have an opinion.
>you are that other guy that has an opinion I don't like.
talk about cope posting.

>>10545291
The way Spyro uses LoD is actually really fucking clever. Them using only vertex colors for the LoD models adds to the painterly look established by the pastel colors and relatively low contrast and of course it blends them better with the skyboxes that are also using only vertex colors.
They took a weakness of the hardware they were designing for and turned it into a strength for their artstyle.
I'm sure all of this is lost to someone that thinks a bunch of stock textures thrown together is high art.

do you guys really sit around and do this

>>10545308
Christmas can wait. We have to prove that Zelda was never good

>>10542612
Two from homeworld>

>the subject did not survive interrogation.

And in cataclysm> "cut us loose!!"

the birth of spyrofag, a manchild denied his pastel colors and detail free buildings

>>10545259
I hate whatever they tried with those clouds. Looks like polygons glitching out.

>>10545306
>The way Spyro uses LoD is actually really fucking clever.
Finding a way to avoid 0% detail would be clever. Also
>examining the LOD
>get randomly stuck on the ground because of shit-tier collision detection
And this is my very first take kek

>>10545267
Left is the worst thing in the world and right is a work of art beyond human comprehension, though

this whole level in rygar on ps2
https://youtu.be/fFiRDrzK4fs?t=3246

>>10545439
Tried getting into it a couple times but something about it always filters me

>>10545127
What game

>>10545238
OoT is remembered for what it did for gaming. It helped establish a lot of firsts

That said, yeah, it should have been dethroned by now. It would be like saying Pong is the greatest video game ever, or Pac Man. Sure, they, like OoT, did a lot for gaming, but they have been outclassed in technical aspects, story, etc. by now

And this is coming from somebody who grew up with OoT

>>10545453
>technical aspects, story, etc.
Damn that's the two things I really love Zelda for

>>10545401
>everything wobbling
i always forget how misleading ps1 screenshots are and what a piece of shit this console actually is

Death Star level the first time

>>10545445
i got it with my ps2 and didn't really play it beyond the first few minutes for a long time. it gets really good once you get past the first boss though. ended up playing through it a few times once i finally did play it. i think the first level is a bit slow and then the first boss can be kind of unexpectedly hard.

>>10545142
>It really captures the feeling of playing outside as a child
Wasn't this Miyamoto's vision?

>>10545283
Yeah at some point I can't even take these people seriously anymore.

>>10545303
This is one of those moments where I just have to put down my controller, lean back and enjoy the music and scenery for a minute.

>>10545663
Games can be great (though I wouldn't say Vagrant Story is because I don't like pixely, half-naked fujoshi twinks duking it out in dull catacombs for 30 hours), but this doesn't mean you can compare them to OoT without being laughed out the room. In fact you don't have to compare anything to OoT and start stupid wars

Can't think of anything in SotN. Feels like a missed opportunity desu

>>10545709
I really like that room with the telescope in outer wall.

>>10543485
play more games

>>10545724
Nigga, most games are fucking shit it just makes Zelda look better. It's people who don't play a lot who can't appreciate good games

>>10544525
Love its style. I just wish it didn't have such weird puzzle design

>>10542913
When you first saw Halo, were you blinded by its majesty?

>>10542615
The higher parts of catcall tower also gave that feel, just climbing an incredibly vertical tower and finding random cats there with that serene track playing in the background. And then they want you to climb it a second time with 0 hints because if you do it again a bead spawns at the top because fuck you.

The holy land track really managed to elevate a relatively boring hub area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqfyvHHM_Qc

>>10545782
One of the games I wish I didn't suck at.

>>10542779
Always get a good kek when she reaches into her blouse and pulls out quest reward coins for you

>>10545404
This but unironically. There is nothing iconic about the left image's castle design. It has no real style, the game has no consistent art direction. The castle doesn't fit in with the rest of the assets in the image. The castle in the right image however is very stylized and fits in with the rest of the environment. The Mario64 castle has it's own iconic look, Stormwind Keep has it's own iconic look, and the castles in Spyro also have their own iconic look, but the castle in the left image looks bland and forgettable.

>>10542750

>>10542646
What game?
>>10545127
What game?

Bro shut up and stop spamming all these low quality Zelda threads. Nothing you said or posted has anything sublime to it. You're just a zealous Nintendo fan.

>>10542863
Based Marathon poster

>>10542863
man that’s a stunning moment but boy does it feel unholy

>>10544907
>not him but do you legitimately look at OoT and think it's ugly?

Yes, absolutely. Compared to say LttP I think the game looks like dogshit. Now to be fair I think pretty much all 3D of that era looked terrible and 3D being the focus is among the reasons I didn't get an N64. But yes, I think the original looks bad and the remake just looks boring. Wind Waker looks amazing though.

>>10544940
>>10544956
>>10545003

There is a lot about Legend if Mana I don't like, but the thread concept is sublime places in games and that's one thing it excelled at. Remember that one of the OP examples is literally just a big blocky grey room. I see nothing sublime in that.

I hear what you say when you think Zelda is far better designed than something like Okami, I just don't really agree. I played it and Wind Waker pretty close together and thought Okami was much better in it's world building and design.

Then Twilight Princess, but again it felt all kind of generic at that point. The combat is never very interesting, the dungeon puzzles are always straightforward and never that compelling and even exploring the worlds started to feel so samey even that was pointless. Again it's not like I think the series is bad or anything, but having played a bunch of them I just really don't see what keeps fans of it so enchanted. Even Wind Waker, the one I liked by far the best of them lost steam at the end and I never cared to finish it because the end dungeon was a rehash of previous dungeons with mostly the same puzzles and the story was so bare bones I didn't feel like I needed to see it wrap up.

I'm glad you guys like it, it's just honestly genuinely baffling to me.

>>10544894
Lunar Eternal Blue
Sega CD version is awesome >>10543256

>>10542612
this is awesome

>>10546958
you just have very weird taste. it was praised for it's graphics everywhere

>>10542612

>>10545991
>>10545302
>>10545991
>bro Zelda triggers me
>bro Zelda triggers me
>bro Zelda triggers me
Nintendo unironically mindbroke people

>>10546958
>detailed stone floor, actually looking old and weathered, literally better than the shitmake 10 years later
>IK in a 1998 game
>clean, angular sharpness to all the polygons and proper stairs in a generation where 99% of games still faked stairs with textures
>comfy dusty light shaft
>great detail to the character model and equipment
>nothing warping and spazzing like here >>10545401
Have you ever considered that you are just some kind of demon and hate good things?

>>10544947
Nta but its because none of you can just like Zelda without being a weird fag about it, the way you people talk is so saccharine and fellating that it feels disingenuous and phrased in such a way as to incite a response because of how obnoxious and insincere it comes off. I have nothing against Zelda as a series, its good stuff, but the fans have reached Reddit and Morty levels of "don't associate with these people"

>>10545861
It's just low-detail LOD models because of PS1 limitations, coper anon. They look like shit and obviously much better with loaded detail

>BAD LOD = GOOD
is actually some of the most insane cope I've seen here

>>10545861
>>10547402
There are even levels you would call "gritty" where those low-detail models (and obviously the accompanying pop-ins) stick out like a sore thumb

And yes, most of Spyro is very clusterfuckish with no good theming. It's dishonest to pretend the whole game looks like Stone Hill

>>10542617

I'd recommend Okami HD. Still looks incredible.

>>10545861
>>10547402
There are even levels you would call "gritty" where those low-detail models (and obviously the accompanying pop-ins) stick out like a sore thumb. And yes, most of Spyro is very clusterfuckish with no good theming. It's dishonest to pretend the whole game looks like Stone Hill

People like you are the reason Nintendo or Zelda criticism can never be taken seriously on this site. You have shown that you would go any length to say something negative, even pretending that min-LOD models with LITERALLY 0 detail look better than Wind Waker

>>10547418
The real ugliness in Spyro comes from the character and enemy models desu. It's like generic morning cartoon meets degenerated art with placeholder textures

>thread ruined by scalies

>>10547434

>>10542612

Great topic. Coincidentally, one of the places that first popped into mind was OoT's Temple of Time, which I just saw for the first time a couple days ago as I'm doing a first playthrough of the game at the moment.

I'd nominate the windmill area in Ico. That place always did it for me, although the picture alone doesn't do it justice. The water effects of the little lake beneath the windmill looked incredible at the time and still do desu. Couldn't fit gif:

https://i.imgur.com/XRN6yun.gif

>>10547443

>>10547443
kek

>>10543669
Fitting music is key
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vocs2wwVKEk&t

>>10542646
What game

>>10546958
>literally just a big blocky grey room
That is exactly why it IS experienced as something sublime. It's because it it mostly pure, grey blocky architecture, in contrast to the changing world outside of it, something that remains timeless in the middle of life turning to death and back again, which you know you experience immediately on stepping outside of it, that it is experienced as something that creates sublimity, and incites feelings of grandeur and beyondness .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublime_(philosophy)

>>10547418
No one was comparing Spyro to Wind Waker you sperg. Those were completely separate posts.

>>10542638
LoZ somehow manages to be kino even on handhelds

>>10545003
Zelda OOT is way too bland and derivative in all senses (music, world-building, designs, plot, characters...) to invoke a single emotion in anyone who isn't a tendie.
I have a hard time thinking about a fantasy world more generic than Zelda's, or a more derivative plot than the ones in Zelda or shallower characters than the ones in Zelda, and I'm not even being hyperbolic.
This has always been Nintendo's politics, they just don't give too much personality to their games in order to reach a broad audience. They'll never be too arty, or too sexy, or too edgy, or too dark, or too wacky... Nintendo means safe, bland and tame,

>>10547587
I wish a game had done this in 3D. The closest I can think of is the tower in Okami and reaching some sky structures in TotK

>>10547596
>to invoke a single emotion in anyone who isn't a tendie.
The opposite is true. The only people who share your opinion are Nintendo hating manbabbies

>>10547585
See >>10545267
The person who called WW ugly earlier is obviously the same person calling OoT ugly now and sucking off Spyro. The exact same reality-denying tendency and dishonesty

Keep derailing the thread

>>10547596
>le derivative
Zelda has some of the most unique vibes ever in a video game and a completely unique amalgam of medieval and anime. It's one of the main reasons why 99% of Zelda clones fell flat, be it Alundra, Beyond Oasis, Dragon View or even Okami which is mechanically on the same level

>>10547626
You're literally linking to two separate posts while making a connection in your head with no evidence. Absolutely deranged. You literally think anyone criticizing your golden sow is the same person.

>>10547638
>YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF MY SAMEFAGGING
I don't need it. It's obvious. You even took the bait and insisted that 0-detail LOD models in Spyro look better than Wind Waker here >>10545861

You are 80-IQ

I have a bizarre reverence for ever17's places.
It's similar to trendy online art like Y2K/vaporwave aesthetic, but IMO it's more than that. The infinity series has a very idealistic atmosphere, like a lot of VNs, but whereas many VNs only want to give you the childhood/teen years you never had, the goal of the infinity series is to dazzle you and fill you with wonder. That's why these games have aged really well; despite bearing the hallmarks of early 00's VNs, the twists & turns of never7 and ever17 can still catch you off guard. And so like Metal Gear you don't really understand what's going on until the end. The player is kept almost like a child in a state of low understanding (but not to the point it's annoying). So there is a sense of mystery and wonder about the game, as if it's always withholding some secret from you.

So I love the places for that reason, too. Because it seems to express the idea of wonder the game is designed around. Of course it's just an underwater theme park, but once the power goes out, the complex begins to feel weird, surreal and even transcendental. All of it inspires you with wonder.

>>10547648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7p40hKjbGY&list=PL9rkD4vFIAOBO5jQYUjcq85WiapEDN8d7&index=1

Nintendo/Zelda haters have some borderline dementia issues. OP didn't even say anything about Zelda being the best or better than other games. He LITERALLY said the picture is just a benchmark and now we have 100 posts of shitposting even though the thread was great and interesting until >>10543192

And of course janny faggots never do shit, either because they cosign their lunacy or because they are the ones doing it

>>10547642
>anyone that doesn't like any aspect of any Zelda game is the same person
take your meds

>>10547652
Not sure who you are quoting. This is what I actually said:
>The person who called WW ugly earlier is obviously the same person calling OoT ugly now and sucking off Spyro. The exact same reality-denying tendency and dishonesty
>You even took the bait and insisted that 0-detail LOD models in Spyro look better than Wind Waker here >>10545861

>>10547659
Exactly. You're imagining people with wildly different criticisms of different games are somehow the same person. absolutely mental

>>10542646
This is from one of the Xenosaga games.

>>10547663
>x ugly
>y ugly
>wildly different criticism
>both feeling the need to exaggerate and lie
>Spyrofag (You) was literally shitting on both OoT and WW
And I think we exhausted this subject. You made yourself heard with your retarded opinion no normal person agrees with. Do you have anything to contribute to the actual topic or can you fuck off now?

>>10547672
>Spyrofag (You) was literally shitting on both OoT and WW
wrong

>>10542657
>Maybe someone knows a better MGS-related on
didn't want to flanderize the thread with this but looks like it already went down the drain

>>10547690
>wrong
>first time Spyro was brought up was to shitpost OoT
>>10545129
>autist wrote a novel explaining why bad LOD and no detail is better than Wind Waker
>>10545861

>>10547709
You're still wrong. That last post isn't mine.
Is it really so hard to comprehend that it might be more than one person not liking every aspect of games in your favorite series?

>come to vr
>the first thing I see is some zelda garbage
Every fucking time. So fucking tired of this franchise.

https://youtu.be/Qp9i4hFRH0U?t=156
Magical moment, several times leaves you with the impression of "how did they do that?"

>>10547719
>not liking every aspect of games in your favorite series?
Nice pettifogging. You aren't disliking aspects of Zelda, you insist that the games are ugly while sucking off Spyro and pretending to be a Zelda fan/never having played WW

Speaking of samefagging and dishonesty:
>>10547738
>So fucking tired of this franchise.
You could easily filter "Zelda" if that were the case and if you weren't just a shitposter

>>10545181
Came to post TP woods and the springs

>>10547752
>You could easily filter "Zelda" if that were the case and if you weren't just a shitposter
I do this on /v/ with FF and other franchises that get spammed

>>10547752
>you insist that the games are ugly
only OoT, and MM by extension I guess, haven't played it though.

>while sucking off Spyro
It was just one example you somehow latched onto. Plenty of better looking games from the same time period, see >>10545147

>pretending to be a Zelda fan
I'm not though I do enjoy some games in the series, including OoT btw. It's just fucking ugly.

>never having played WW
correct, looks nice though, unlike OoT.

https://youtu.be/EsNUTCv9Ut0?feature=shared

lmfao @ spyro looking better than oot. just fucking lol

>>10547764
>I just keep lying!
That's cool. People already pointed out you are an outlier with your opinions and that your list is stupid, so maybe don't be a piece of shit and stop derailing a thread with graphicsfaggotry

>>10547803
>graphicsfaggotry
I literally listed games for a weaker console and fucking Quake from 1996. There's a difference between graphics and artstyle, the latter of which OoT lacks.

>>10547806
>the latter of which OoT lacks.
It's a good thing for every OoT fan that you believe this, considering you this
>>10547434
>>10547443
>>10547448
is great art direction and that low LOD models are an intentional stroke of genius

isn't there a furry/scalie containment board?

>>10547814
>why do the characters in this cartoon-style game look like cartoon characters?

>>10547839
You can make cartoon characters that don't look like lazy scraps. These being main characters is actually insane. This game looks like shit compared to Crash Bandicoot

>>10545283
boring game that looks retarded. stop memeing into weebsoge

>>10547862
This is some how does Samus fit in her suit shit

>>10547587
>>10547606
tales of symphonia has one of those endlessly long towers but i don't remember if you ever get a good look at it

>>10547845
there, now spyro fag can enjoy loz

>>10547887
Beautiful

The market in MML

>>10545198
you unironically talk like a faggot and it's strange to me that you could find Zelda 2 to be some odyssian fable but can't find the same, even better quality in OoT. you're a loser.

>>10545198
Zelda is meant to be a cartoony, watered-down version of myths and folklore. Japan doesn't care about myths or foreign cultures in reality, they just like the cool symbols (e.g. Link's cross, the Muslim chanting in OoT) stripped of meaning. Asking for a faithful rendition of the Hero's journey is frankly asking too much

>>10548015
>Zelda is supposed to be this
>things are supposed to mean that
>Japanese people don't care about x
Stop making these schizo posts you base on nothing but your confirmation bias. And stop samefagging

>>10548034
Japanese people really don't take other cultures seriously, they just borrow them for aesthetic purposes. Look at Fate and how they turn every historical figure into an anime girl, or MegaTen making some weird derivative of a myth creature, or Bayonetta and angels.

I would almost bet there's no Japanese game that covers mythology in a normal way. Unless maybe "Bible Stories" counts

>>10548056
>already moving the goalposts from "they don't care about x" to "they don't take x seriously"
And
>Look at Fate and how they turn every historical figure into an anime girl
they falsify and animefy their own culture and history the same way. Doesn't mean they don't know about it or don't respect it. The opposite if anything

>>10548082
Moving the goalposts? What lol
This is why i never argue on the internet. the people who pick fights with me don't even make sense. they try and read a certain meaning in your words that isn't there. can't believe some of you guys spend all day doing this shit.

the best ff after 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D78wdfgAfOw

>>10548138
based

>>10548354
Shame it plays like shit. No idea how child me finished it

>>10547887
kek

>>10545083
>pretending to be a Zelda
He just did the same thing in another thread: >>10548731
>falseflagging as a Nintendo fanboy and saying controversial shit just to have an excuse to flame Nintendo
Seems to be something he does 24/7 on /vr/. He also isn't just a Spyro fag but a Sonic fag at the same time. Nightmare fuel

>>10545083
>pretending to be a Zelda fan for shitposting purposes
He just did the same thing in another thread beyond any reasonable doubt: >>10548731
>falseflags as a Nintendo fanboy and says controversial shit just to have an excuse to flame Nintendo
Seems to be something he does 24/7 here. He also isn't just a Spyro fag but a Sonic fag at the same time and admitted making Sonic threads just to "trigger schizotendies"

Probably good to know that all Nintendo haters are legit mentally ill...if there was any doubt

Unreal is filled with such maps, but if I had to pick just one, it would have to be 'The Sunspire'.

>>10542612
By far the most primal experience I've had in a game

>>10549113
what game is this?

>>10549603
harvest moon a wonderful life

>>10548138
holy based
such a good soundtrack

>>10549505
extremely based post.

>>10548163
It's like everyone thinks this building is iconic...but it isn't even supposed to be? And half the RR games don't even have it? Does it even have a name?

>>10547695
I can hear its god tier sound design just by looking at the HUD

>>10552807

>>10547548
I'm sorry dude, at this point I legitimately can't tell if you're trolling or not. If you are serious then more power to you, but to me when I see posts like this >>10542791
>>10542638
And then the myriad of other places in this thread it just looks like Zelda fans see everything through a lens of if its Zelda they think it's the most amazing thing ever and I find that weird. But whatever, this thread inspired me to replay Lunar 2 which a positive at least.

>>10543669
Am I glad he's frozen in there.
>tfw the actual fight

The underwater area was pretty cool too since it's the first and I think the only part in the game where you're without a guide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGv2Ua74Ils

>>10548171
game?

>>10553805
Not him but I think it's Shadows of the Empire.

>>10553805
>>10553902

Shadow of the Colossus

>>10542612
Andy's house in every TS game

not quite retro yet but exploring an authentic copy of the thousand sunny for the first time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTT2nv5wp6A

>>10552945
i think you're the opposite and think if its zelda its bad because you've been arguing for so fucking long. i dont see you debating with anyone else here. its JUST positive zelda opinions that bother you so hard. you dont have to agree, but fuck dude. come on.

>>10554306
When someone posts a boring grey room and tries to argue that it's one of the most sublime places ina video game because it's a boring grey room in a Zelda game I just don't know what to make of it. And again it's not that I think Zelda is bad, it's a solid 7 or 8 out of 10 series probably. But fans of it seem to think it's a 15 out of 10 and better than anything else which I find surreal.

>>10551478
Game?

>>10554447
You are the only one making it about nothing but graphics. You ignore the role it plays in the story and overarching Zelda mythos, what happens in it, the music, all the rumors surrounding it back then, etc. OP also didn't say room but place and the picture shows the temple from inside and outside

And maybe one poster in the thread said it's the best thing ever. Your obsession isn't normal or healthy and I hope I'm talking to a bot

The hub area in Hitman 2

Arriving at the beach the first time

Riven is the GOAT

>>10542612

>>10555560
>princess trannyleaf is back
can't you just kill yourself already?

>>10555567
>implying that's the real sevenleaf

>>10555596
>implying you shouldn't kill yourself

>>10544376
>>10544940
Holy fucking filtered. You actually lack a soul

>>10545141
Shut the fuck up you retard, the game is actually great and you were filtered by it.
>Storylines are actually interesting to people who aren't ADHD addled zombies like you and can actually sit down and read
>Absolutely majestic music composed by Yoko shimomura
>Character designs have an unreal amount of variety between them, making the whole game feel like a kitchensink of various fairytales
>Combat has a lot of options that the player can use to their preference
>Game is as complex or simple as you want it to be
>Interesting concept, using literal imagination to recreate the world
Like actually fuck you, if you just said you disliked it fine, but I have a bone to pick with you now. The game has so much care, love, and attention put into it objectively speaking and fuck you for trying to slander it as some empty background simulator. Fuck you.

>>10554548
I think the LttP example there is pretty good. The castle from Wind Waker wouldn't have been my first choice I'd likely have chosen somewhere like this >>10552810 but I don't disagree with the choice. But sorry, boring grey ugly room from OoT was only put in there out of whatever feeling that leads Zelda fans to say things like "I've tried to think of anything else, but nothing matches Zelda with that feeling of reverence." as I said I feel we're on different planets. I've played 13 Zelda games all or in part and truly don't see what it's fans see in it they find so incredibly compelling. And for the nth time I'm not saying you're wrong for liking it that much, as an outsider I just don't get it.

>>10555849
Very much. I don't like LoM's combat, it's my main criticism with the game the way you are stuck just facing left or right and then it feels a little clunky. It's not bad, but I would have liked something more like SD3. My other criticism is that the highest difficulty mode is glitched and doesn't work right, so even though it's possible to craft some really excellent equipment, it's never needed. I killed the end boss on nightmare mode in one swing of a not even fully maxed flail.

Those are pretty minor overall. Other than that, the game is incredible. Wonderful characters and stories some of which are really moving. It's like playing a series of short stories and the world building is some of the best I've ever seen.

>>10555930
>The castle from Wind Waker wouldn't have been my first choice I'd likely have chosen somewhere like this >>10552810
That's also arguably one place and sequence. You are probably too young to know this, but that castle area aroused a fascination and curiosity about it like almost no other location in a game. Only the A Link to the Past music made it even better. It's the perfect example for this topic, which I'm unsure you really understand
>gray, gray, gray
Hardly a contradiction. When looking at any reputable list of monumental films, it is black-and-white films that dominate (even recently The Lighthouse). People like Truffaut even go as far as to say that too much color ruined cinema. What you apparently also don't know is that the WW castle was literally in black-and-white the first time you got there, which made it stand out even more

Either way, it is insane to get so triggered by Zelda being used as an example that you make 100 posts about it instead of just posting better examples. You definitely need help

>>10557136
i wish they kept tp black and white

>>10542612
Can't believe nobody mentioned the dive to the heart from kh1. Shit scared the hell out of me as a kid.

>>10557217
Every place that wasn't literally a Disney film had a dreamlike otherworldly feel in KH

>scalie/furry also loves Mana games
Say it ain't so

>>10549505
upvoted

>>10557136

>gray, gray, gray
>Hardly a contradiction. When looking at any reputable list of monumental films, it is black-and-white films that dominate (even recently The Lighthouse). People like Truffaut even go as far as to say that too much color ruined cinema. What you apparently also don't know is that the WW castle was literally in black-and-white the first time you got there, which made it stand out even more

will admit that Wind Waker being 20 years ago now and though I remembered liking it up to the end, I was also playing a ton of games at the time and have since forgotten most of it. Now that you post that shot I remember a little and agree that looks totally awesome. I have no issues with black and white, a pretty old man for this place I grew up watching and still love a ton of black and white films.

I am talking specifically about that room in OoT which is just blocky, simple and uninteresting and that it seems obvious to me the only reason it's being championed as some incredible sublime place is purely because it's in a Zelda game. Something that cookie cutter and bland in any other game wouldn't have rabid fans fawning over it.

>>10542646
I... I tried playing it after absolutely ADORING Episode 1. But... I couldn't bring myself to it. I feel ashamed, but it just wasn't fun to play.
You do make me want to look at screenshots, though.
>>10542823
>>10544931
>>10545967
>>10547519
Xenosaga Episode Zwei: Jenseits Von Gut und Böse
That's clearly Shion and MOMO.

>>10544931
>Zeal in Chrono Trigger
Came to post this. I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up more.

>>10542612
This is one of the most amazing locations in vidya. The music, the sense of mystery, the architecture coming out of nowhere. Really great.

>>10542612

>>10545218
It started because you got your panties shat up because of Zeldafags talking about their favorite game lmfao. Grow up, faggot.

>>10542779
Elfsong Tittern is so comfy

>>10559496
>>10559389
I can hear these

pikmin games naturally feel like that

>>10552810
Imagine if Wind Waker had been given proper attention and not just rushed out of the gate. It's so inconsistent, there are many moments of pure kino diluted by a mostly barren open world and busy work even in the main quest.

>>10560045
I don't really care about the opinions of someone who posts stretched screenshots

>>10560045
This. It could've been a 99% game instead of a 96% game

>>10545117
baroque is a better king's field

>>10558760
>I am talking specifically about that room in OoT
Then the question is still why reduce it to that when OP didn't say room but place and the picture shows the temple inside and outside. Or why ignore what happens there, the connection to other games, the music and atmosphere, etc. and make it all about graphicsfagging (as if other games of that generation looked much better). Or how gray and blocky contradict a feeling of sublimity

I'll say that there are many other Zelda examples, but you would have made a big stink regardless of which OP had used because you have Zelda derangement syndrome, assuming you aren't actually a bot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOuS_r8DzhY

>>10558760
>I am talking specifically about that room in OoT
Then the question is still why reduce it to that when OP didn't say room but place and the picture shows the temple inside and outside. Or why ignore what happens there, the connection to other games, the music and atmosphere, etc. and make it all about graphicsfagging (as if other games of that generation looked much better and this doesn't just make you look like a /v/edditor). Or how gray and blocky contradict a feeling of sublimity

I'll say that there are many other Zelda examples, but you would have made a big stink regardless of which OP had used because you have Zelda derangement syndrome, assuming you aren't actually a bot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTG_ZJ3k3uk

>>10560496
Who plans out a town so a church must be approached from the side? Awful.

>>10560528
My town has a bunch of churches like this.

>>10560562
from a narrow single person staircase?

>>10560496
Probably because it still doesn't feel sublime in any way. As I've said many times, I agree with several of the Zelda examples. LttP and Wind Waker particularly. The issue here is that I don't feel that way about every single Zelda location, and for some reason some people here simply can't handle that and I find it a little funny and a little weird how high a pedestal they put the games on.

>>10547932
Well it has a sublime character

>>10542638
Dark souls transcends zelda, but DS1 is also an unparalleled masterpiece

>>10543181
Played this again for first time since I was like 7. Reminds me of the girl whose house I use to play it at, and how she would always fart and blame the smell on the game. she had a ROB too lucky bitch

>>10545205
>>10547946
So what's the accomplishment here? You proved to me you're friendless losers who feel insecure when you see words that aren't monosyllabic? Wowee, got some real winners here.

>>10555824
Says a guy.. literally playing the most soulless shitty game ever made.

>>10555849
>"fIlTeReD" is your only argument
>game HAS no story, is just a collection of disjointed vignettes
>made-for-cd-release soundtrack doesn't make a GAME
>combat is absolute dogshit

>Game is as complex or simple as you want it to be
????? Literally schizophrenia: the post.

Thanks for proving to me what kind of braindead detached-from-reality idiot likes this trash game.

>>10561503
Not him but you are really stretching. The one big criticism is that the combat is kind of meh, but even not being amazing it's still as good or better than any Zelda games of the era for example. Other than that it's amazing storytelling and world building along with amazing visuals and music.

>>10561503
>>game HAS no story, is just a collection of disjointed vignettes
Actual fucking retard, not everything has to be structured like a movie
>>made-for-cd-release soundtrack doesn't make a GAME
What the fuck was the point of saying this?
>>combat is absolute dogshit
It's not even that bad and it's less frustrating than Secret of Mana's honestly
>????? Literally schizophrenia: the post.
Oh so you're a actually a fucking idiot who didn't play the game.
I'm obviously referring to the complex monster raising, weapon crafting, and robot ai building side activities of the game which have a lot of complex depth to them but are entirely optional for the player to engage with them at their leisure.
Thanks for proving to me that people who hate on this game are actual fucking retards who didn't even play the game

>>10561109
>Dark souls transcends zelda
It is a devolution in terms of gameplay, atmosphere, setting, story and overall game design. It descends into the deepest reaches of "the barrel" where it and all of its dim-witted sycophantic fanboys ultimately belong. Embarrassing.

>>10562461
Meh nta, I don't have much great to say about Dark Souls, but it's better than most Zelda entries at least.

>>10562461
>It is a devolution in terms of gameplay
This. Dark Souls is literally just a brawler with stats. There are no items like in Zelda, dungeon interactivity, puzzle solving, villages with comfy characters and sidequests and minigames

I have no idea why people compare the games besides Dark Souls being "inspired" by Zelda like a million other games and featuring a form of Z-targeting. They are hardly similar beyond that and Tears of the Kingdom has 10,000 the mechanics of Elden Ring where you can't even swim or talk to NPCs from horseback

Feels like trying to piggyback an older brother

>>10562806
In favor of Dark Souls, it does have incredible exploration, and that's one thing the games share as a highly positive quality. It's absolutely fair to compare them, but Zelda is better because of its more advanced interactivity, despite Souls having a number of qualities that best it and generally being more re-playable.

>>10562571
>>10562806
>>10563241
Yeah they're just completely different games. Other than exploring being one of the central themes but that's in so many games.

>>10545292
Zeldafags are actually brain damaged. Jesus Christ anon how many times did your parents drop you on your head?

Is Zeldafag a riggered janny? Why did half his posts in the thread just disappear?

For me, it's the mirage palace (seiken densetsu 3/trials of mana)
always loved that place
hidden in the middle of a thick, dangerous jungle far away from civilisation,
invisible to the naked eye, needs a special item to even be seen
the calm music contrasting with all the high powered enemies, blood and bones around you
it really gives you the feeling you're stepping on some cursed ground that not many humans have been before

>>10542612
those are good but for me it's the room of illusion where you fight dark link

Angkor Wat in Tomb Raider IV.
The classic series is filled with places like that, but I always loved this one in particular.

>>10563795
>The classic series is filled with places like that

I totally agree. That underground sphinx was amazing

>>10542657
>a better MGS-related one
Arsenal Gear

>>10545967
>i think that other fella got his replies al tangled
>>10545127 is Evergrace action rpg made by Fromsoft, all the game has that sad/nostalgic/holy land/island weird vibe it's hard to describe. combat is not so great but I really like the armosphere. reminds me of those weird animes like Haibane renmei, zeiram, wings of honneamise. i don't know how to describe it but i love animes and games with that vibe.

the soundtrack is also weird, like a mix between Iria Zeiram with Zelda and lodoss war with cool vocals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgJbPYDVgwM&ab_channel=F4m1LyGuy10

i downloaded it not long ago and I just wanted to configure the emulation and the controls and got hooked immediately and ended up playing for 3 hours, theres also a sequel called Forever kingdom

>>10565147
>the soundtrack is also weird, like a mix between Iria Zeiram with Zelda and lodoss war with cool vocals.

Just you referencing Iria and Lodoss in relation to even the music makes me want to check this out, than you anon.

>>10561503

Thats a reach. Filtered isnt their only argument, the game does have an overall narrative and its themes are perfectly inline with other Mana games about the ending of the world, this one just picks up right after it happened once already. Your 'made for cd' criticism doesnt hold up because the game only has 2 tracks encoded on the cd, the rest are from the soundchip.

The combat is the same as it was in 2 and 3, a type of turn-based being rendered in real time. Its not an action game and any direct comparisons to one are revealing of a lack of understanding game design.

There are plenty of criticisms that stick pretty accurately to LoM without descending into this kind of badfaith post. This doesnt even count as a shitpost...

>>10563732
>the way all the zoomer kids experienced that for the first time on switch
don't even google it

>>10542612
Lower gormott in xenoblade number 2. Arguably forced sacred because of the unique music though. And obviously half of the areas in dark souls.

>>10565697
>And obviously half of the areas in dark souls.
Yeah, obviously. Nothing says sublime like generic fortresses and swamps where hobos shoot you with poison arrows everywhere

>>10565697
Xenoblade 2 is ugly as fuck. At least say Xenoblade 1. Just looks like you wanted an excuse to bring up Reddit Souls on /vr/

>>>/v/

>>10565697
99% the locations in DaS just exists for you to fight mobs

>>10542612
Mission in the fog with these guys

>>10555560
love the lightcones

>>10548015
>>10548056
>>10548134
you're completely correct and I've been making this same argument about Japanese game design for a while. 4chan worships Japan so they can't admit it.

>>10567297
It's not just Japan doing it to the west or vice-versa, that's common all over to use "exotic" cultures as a shorthand for added depth.

>>10542657
Rex's hangar, of course
Seeing that big beast slumbering in front of you for the first time plus the ominous music let you know that some real serious shit was about to go down
https://youtu.be/3tfh1oW4HgM?si=nIJDLWPKJAxGCsUy

>>10568029

This board has managed to make me actively resent Zeldafags when I was only indifferent to them before, wish we had f zero or earthbound fans that were this obnoxious maybe we’d get some more games at least

>>10568290
I only ever see people who hate Zelda making off-topic posts like yours and ruining threads. You can also filter "Zelda" if it really bothers you so much

Something also tells me you made like 50% the posts ITT

>>10542657
>>10568029
>>10568047
I've been thinking about this and although it gets a lot of hate, for me it might legitimately be the ladder sequence in 3. Something about when it happens and the music, it always hit me.

>>10559639
Yeah what we learned in this thread is the Zelda janitor in particular can't handle any criticism of the games and will nuke half the thread if not everyone agrees with him.

>>10548056
You're ignorant as fuck. MegaTen has encyclopedic entries on every creature they put in their games. Yeah, they take liberties with the design. Why? It's a game. It's based on lore but it's a game.
What you want is some kind of watered down "Greek Mythology 4kids" education game that dumbs everything down to be educashional or some shit, since they assume kid is too DUMB to get what part is fiction and what isn't. sm.h. not every game needs to be like that.

>>10570915
To be fair though MegaTen is a very unusual series in that regard and kind of it's thing is incorporating many different mythologies together.

>>10549505
Image comes from a point and click browser game centered around Lego bionicle lore called "Mata Nui", released 2 decades ago. I don't know what I was expecting to find when I saw the desert of cracked egg shells and the mysterious super egg in the background, but it definetly wasn't this.

>>10572435
Lol, can't blame you for being surprised. It may not seem like much, but it's a game with some real quality to it, and it planted itself real deep into my brain. I think I was fortunate to play it at just the right age: young enough that the experience was extremely novel, yet just old enough that I could grasp some of its subtleties.

I still think it has value for people without nostalgia for it, especially if you've enjoyed games like Myst and Riven (which it is very obviously derivative of)

>>10573387
Kind of fascinating. Can you describe more what you liked? Being compared to myst and Riven is intriguing

i wanted to go here so bad

>>10573453
The game was very much like Myst and Riven in that you're dropped onto a mysterious island with basically no context and slowly learn about the world as you go along. Of course, as a kid, you were probably experiencing this as part of a larger marketing campaign to sell this toy line, but the feeling of discovery was nonetheless strong. That image of the canister on the beach I posted is the very first thing you see in the game; you can see how immediately intriguing it is.

The first image I posted with the stones is from a cutscene at the very beginning that wordlessly tells the setting's founding myth. It's so simple but powerfully done that it almost feels like a mystic experience when I see it. I guess it all comes down to how good the visual and audio design is despite extremely basic tools that the devs were working with in creating a browser game. It's a very atmospheric, immersive game.

>>10543256
I finally made it back! Sorry to turn this into a Lunar blog post but this got me replaying the game for the first time in over 25 years and it's even better than I remember