/vr/ - Retro Games

Have you played any N64 shooter ever?

You do yes. I tried playing the unreleased half life port, it was an interesting experiment but definitely not something I'd do again.

>>10534632
Aim with stick, move with dpad, shoot/interact with color buttons

>>10534632
You could connect a keyboard and a mouse to a DC bro, how do you think we browsed the Internet? Quake III was based, you could create custom control schemes to fit your needs. Have a mouse, but no keyboard? Not a problem, gamepad plus mouse, there you go.

>>10534659
Just a shame it had to be a Dreamcast-specific KB+M. PS2 was much more forward thinking in that department. The regular controller having two sticks also made it less necessary.

The DC's controller is problematic for its lack of buttons, not necessarily due to its lack of analog sticks.

>>10534676
The face buttons acting as WASD with the analog stick for aiming actually worked pretty well in the Dreamcast ports of Unreal Tournament and Quake III.

>>10534653
How can you move with dpad if it's right next to the analog? Do both your hands grip the left side of the controller? How can you use the color buttons to shoot then?

>>10534696
One hand on both analog and dpad the other hand on buttons.

>>10534676
It would have benefited from either. The Gamecube only had one more button than the Dreamcast, and that was fine.

>>10534710
the gamecube had a second stick

>>10534719
yes, that's the point

>>10534696
That anon is smoking crack. It worked like this >>10534683

>>10534632
well they were all basically multiplayer cancer so nothing good or worth playing.

>>10534632
You use a keyboard and mouse

>>10534719
Barely

>>10534635
N64 FPS games use modern controls

>>10534632
The strafing is annoying due to the shoulder buttons being in the wrong place. They don't need be too high like on others but they didn't need to be that low either.

I might try the other controller for it someday but there are only maybe 3 games I still wanna try for it

Also don't like it only having 1 joystick

>>10534727
He's still half right ps2 fps were twice as fun because of the controls

I guess if you all have a bad controller it's OK because everyone has a similar handicap or just use the $300 - $500 mouse and keyboard


Or just get a ps2 and stop overpaying

>>10534632
Use the analog for mouselook and two buttons for forward and backward. How do you even have a PC and not know this?

PSP fps games had the same controls

>>10534676
Playing a shooter means both problems are apparent. It's great when games lent into it though. Like in fur fighters you only had two actions (shoot and jump) so anything interactive is piloted using giant cartoon yellow buttons.

>>10534632
iirc, a lot of games had native twinstick support. i wonder if they were going to release a controller later down the line.

>>10536597
If they actually did, then there would be a third party controller that does it by now, and the newest DC controller I know of don't have a second stick.

>>10536609
there are n64 games with dual stick support and no one ever made a custom controller but pic related that only works with star wars racer, imagine playing goldeneye with this

>>10536623
sounds amazing until you have to reload or switch weapons

>>10536623
sure but that's just two controllers combined. It even has two cords. AFAIK no games for the Dreamcast actually support twin sticks using two controllers, or a second controller that never got released with two sticks.

>>10536623
Completely unnecessary

>>10534632
In those days, keyboard+mouse was the default controls for FPS. Took me a long while to adapt to dual analog, as I still preferred keyboard+mouse for FPS since it just seems I am more accurate and proficient in the games even though movement was not analog with the WADS buttons. Just like how I prefer the Sega Saturn pad for almost all fighting games, even though most people prefer joystick, mouse+keyboard for FPS is just right to me even though most of the best players use Xbox controllers.

>>10536698
>can't switch weapons
>can't use/reload

>>10536704
>Can't
lol, you haven't even tried

>>10534753
Holy shit I'd forgotten about that site.

>>10536609
i couldve sworn there was a third party dual stick controller. but i cant find one online. the DC also has native support for C and Z buttons so its not that farfetched.

>>10534632
Yeah, you used the face buttons to move and strafe, analog to aim, should buttons to shoot and jump. d-pad for switching weapons.

It worked great, Quake 3 on DC was loads of fun, it even supported split screen multiplayer (and network compatibility with the PC version for a little while until the PC version got too far in patches).

>>10534696
>How can you move with dpad if it's right next to the analog?

You just use your second left hand, same way as the N64 controller is intended to be used.

>>10536720
>>10536628
The DC had a twin stick controller, but it was more of a literal twin stick.

For the record, the Saturn had this too.

>>10536765
forgot image

>>10536767
im aware of that one, i guess "dual analog" would've been more appropriate.

>>10536720
There were but afaik they were only dev tools and prototypes. I'm not aware of any released for the consumer market. Also not aware of any games that supported them.

>>10537170
interesting, are there any pics of them?

>>10536767
I actually played Quake 3 with that and it kinda worked.

>>10536609
probably a lot more fun to play with this

>>10536703
Fixes it but now those are all too expensive

Is there another version of these?

>>10536767
>Get Ready

>>10537173
I've seen pics so I'm sure there are somewhere.

>>10536720
>the DC also has native support for C and Z buttons so its not that farfetched.
isn't that just giving an alternate L/R button on the face of the controller?

>>10536703
I'm surprised you haven't put your coomer keycaps on it yet

>>10534632
i moved with the buttons and aimed with the stick and always got into with my buddy when we'd play quake 3 over which was better

>>10536237
Depends on the game. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark let you approximate modern FPS controls with the 1.2 control layout, when you put your left hand on the dpad and right hand on the analog stick. Turok insists on using the C buttons for movement though, which feels ass-backwards if you're used to using your left hand for movement and right for aiming.

Aim with the joystick
Move forward with the top Green button
Back with the red
strife left or right with yellow and blue
should buttons are the trigger and reload
D-pad are the optional buttons for action, switch weapon.
Jumping would be the difficult part to figure out.

>>10538582
Probably the best way but it still felt awkward when I tried it

Then I tried an emulator with a normal controller and it works the same as any other system

This leads me to believe the controller sucks

>>10538573
>Turok insists
Turok is literally the first game that allows those controls though?
go to options and change to left handed

>>10538582
MDK2 (I know, it's a TPS but still was a shooter) had this control scheme. The shoulder buttons were jump for L and shoot for R. Weapons would be switched with dpad.

>>10539047
Wait, really? I haven't played it in like 10 years so I didn't know.

>>10539586
yeah, pretty sure almost every shooter on the 64 allows

>got DC, controllers, VMU's
>get fishing controller since it makes the two fishing games that much more enjoyable
>get mouse and keyboard for the FPS games since pretty cheap back then(2015)
>find out the FPS games are mostly sub-par PC ports
>fuck it, at least I'll be able to play UT1999 online on a map that isn't fucking Facing Worlds
>turns out the few people willing to play the FPS games online these days will cry like children if you use mouse+keyboard since they never got them and therefor EVERYONE must play with controller or else
>so I can only use the mouse and keyboard to play the FPS games in singleplayer, where the PC originals will still have a superior experience
>only other game that really uses the mouse+keyboard is PSO, and it's considered a subpar version compared to some other port
I still can't figure out why the price of the mouse+keyboard has gone from $30 for the set to $50 each when there is no real use for them.

>>10539627
let them cry like babies, then. tell them to git gud and buy the damn peripherals if they want to not lose.