/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10526881
Tell me more, does that work on both CDs and DVDs? What are the downsides

I don't want to convert them back to bin when I want to rip the music, sound effects and textures.

>>10526881
ppsspp supports chd now? I didn't know
>(not dolphin though, fuck dolphin btw)
dolphin has its own chd equivalent called rvz

86box doesn't support CHDs

>>10526887
yeah, but you should use different commands (createcd and createdvd), they use different compression algorithms. downsides are only real hardware is too underpowered to read them

Because I'm not an emutranny

>>10526881
Cause I play in real hardware

>>10526913
And you don't have backups of your discs?
They don't last forever you know.

>>10526908
>>10526913
enjoy your hardware malfunction at some point i guess

>CHUD format

ISHYGDUC (use chud)

>>10526881
I dont need the space and you run into issues trying to convert chd to other formats.

I actually have already, were in agreement OP

>>10526938
>convert chd to other formats
.chd is the only format that matters

>>10526917
Yes I play in psp and wii, soft modded of course

>>10526942
Not everything supports it, including programs that burn to actual discs to play on hardware.

>>10526953
op deliberately states about emulators supporting it, obviously if you play on hardware it's not for you

ch(u)d format is for poorfags who can't buy a proper hard drive (chuds)

>>10526959
no shit you illiterate retard, not all emulators support it either

>>10526964
>illiterate
all the currently maintained emulators do, your problem if you play on abandonware from 2008, learn to read, imbecile

>>10526969
Mednafen doesn't.

>>10526881
>you have 1 (one) minute to explain why you don't vape instead of smoking

>>10526976
implying you play on mednafen

>>10526881
bin/cue works, always has. Also this >>10526893

>>10526961
If you’re scared of being called a chud you’re probably a [redacted]

>>10526881
Does it work on real hw? If not I don't care (emulation is for casuals who collect files, not play games)

>>10526881
don't care

>>10527000
brazilian hands typed this

>>10526961
>can't buy a proper hard drive
Am I the only one who's main reason for preferring CHDs is because they're a single file per disc?

>>10526881
>.chud

>>10527045
Just put them in a folder. Jesus Christ, you neurotics.
Play the fucking game.

>>10526927
Thanks i will

>>10527054
>Just put them in a folder
yeah, multi disc games i put in a folder alright

>>10527078
You can't combine multidisc games into one chd.

>>10527086
i can link them in .m3u file

>>10527094
You can do the same with cue files. What's your issue here? Seeing one too many files in a folder?

>>10527054
bin/cues are fucking annoying

>want to rename file
>have to edit the cue file too

>download some image
>doesn't work
>open cue sheet
>D:\STUFF\ISUCKCO~\IMAGE.BIN

>>10527101
what's YOUR issue here? i told you i put files in a folder, you happy?

>>10527114
??
You started telling me shit I didn't ask

>>10527109
Where the fuck are you getting your games with shitty cue files like that? There's loads of decent places to get good ones.

>>10526881
because i have to seed the isos back where I got them from

>>10527118
are you a bot or something? can't parse posts that don't directly answer your question?

>>10526881
Ever since I discovered it I use these instead of .bin and .cue now. Saves tons of space

>>10526881
The private tracker I'm in only accepts zipped bin/cues and isos

>>10527128
You're the one who asked the fucking question in the first place.
Either way, get lost.

>>10527165
>You're the one who asked the fucking question in the first place.
>What's your issue here? Seeing one too many files in a folder?
meds

>>10526908
Trannies are the hardware fags who want to huff plastic and gave an inferior experience
>>10526913
>>10526953
Cringe
>>10526935
>>10526961
>>10527051
Only trannies think chud is a real insult, fuck off back to plebbit with that retard nigger shit

>>10527054
Plastic huffers don't play games.
>>10527151
>torrenting cd/dvd games
Just use cdromance or archive dot Org

>tranriginal gayware
Load times, polygon wobble, aliasing
>emulation
Instant load, 8k upscale, z buffer

>>10526881
Can I put a chud onto a cd rom and put it into my chipped ps1? Or is it like Betamax and laser disc.

>>10526881
Because I don't emulate disc based systems outside of FDS.

>>10527280
>and gave an inferior experience
Uno reverso cards don't work in real life spastic.

/v/tier thread

>>10527313
Disk based systems are the ones that gain the most from emulation, retard

>>10527321
>no load times
>higher resolution for jaggy 3D
Cope you fucking faggot

>>10526881
because it serves zero purpose

>>10526881
Because it's not supported by many emulators and just about any ODE.

You are especially SOL for some consoles like the PS2 where there is not a single format that works on both emulators and OPL.

>>10527887
>Tries to argue in a thread about CD based systems
>By posting an image of a Nintendo DS game
>Which isn't even retro
>Much less CD based
>And is clearly benefitting from the higher emulated resolution

Could you possibly have torpedoed your own argument any more?

>>10526908
You can literally use CHD filles on real hardware

>>10526881
I've already converted some, but pretty much just my PS1 and PS2 games. It's more tedious than it needs to be tbqh.

I just use .bin + .cue since I'm lazy.

>>10527280
You will own nothing and will be happy chud

i dont convert shit since i already download them as .chd

>dead end format that can't be converted into another format without severely damaging the data
Literally gaming PDF

>>10526881
PPSSP supports CHD now? Hot dog I was using a CSO converter.

Dolphin has rvz I'm not sure how it compares to chd in performance

>>10529110
>can't be converted into another format without severely damaging the data
This is why you convert it back to iso or bin cue first. Not an issue

>>10527280
>you're a tranny
>No you're a tranny! I'm b-based
>Actually it is you who is the
You should both die

>>10529361
I just asked an emulation discord and it supports CHD in dev builds, not in the official release yet. Guess I'll keep my CSO converter until the day arrives

>>10529390
Referring to PPSSP not dolphin to be clear

>>10526881
>can't covert CCD or other similar formats to CHD
Fucking pointless. If I wanted to save some space I'd shove my shit in a zip file.

>>10529412
>Fucking pointless. If I wanted to save some space I'd shove my shit in a zip file.
You can save more space by converting to 7z. Better compression

>>10526961
I am a poorfag so. Yes. Also even if I had a hard drive I think I'd still convert. No reason not to as its a lot more space

>>10529368
Even better solution: just leave it as BIN/CUE

>>10527054
You need an m3u file to run multi disc games properly as one game on a lot of emulators. CHD fixes this
>>10527086
I'm pretty sure this is incorrect but now you've made me question my memory

>>10529428
Why? I can save space with CHD. I've seen the file size shrink from bin cue

>>10529412
>can't covert CCD
why are your roms in ccd to begin with? this is not a redump format

>>10529110
>severely damaging the data
this is real if you're tech illiterate

>>10529439
cuz I have a cheap 16tb NAS and my PS1 collection is 700 games and is only like 250gb

>>10529684
damn bro you're rich AS FUCK, you probably own ps2 too, that's crazy

>>10529693
Thanks, getting one of these will save you a lot of time

>>10529434
You can't combine multiple CHDs. Not even Retroarch supports that shit. You need an m3u.

>>10529718
>save you a lot of time
all this saved time just to shitpost about something you don't need, terrific

>>10529729
exactly, less time juggling chds and more time playin games

>>10529740
nobody plays games here expect for a few autismos, newfag

>>10529684
I don't have a NAS anon. I want one though

>>10529750
Have you considered I just played a game two days ago? Ha! Owned,

>>10529681
Maybe that's why they compared it to PDF

>>10529775
i've played a game for 10 minutes yesterday, it was just to test freshly jugged .chd but still

>>10529770
just use an old computer or something if you have one

>>10527086
>>10529728
>can't combine multidisc games into one CHD
Then what's the point?

>>10529684
Probably not worth it for PS1 but for PS2 you get 3 free GB from each game, that's worth the two minutes it takes to convert surely.

>>10526881
I archive in CHD and the only time I use bin/cue is for romhacks that are incompatible.

>>10529867
>just put cue/bin in a folder bro
>HUH YOU CAN'T COMBINE 3 DISCS INTO ONE????
hilarious concern trolling bro

>>10526881
There's no way to verify CHDs against Redump hashes. Useless for archival purposes, and good luck figuring out if your CHD is a good dump or isn't a ROM hack.

>>10529906
probably shouldn't have get your roms from coolroms.com if it concerns you so much

>>10529914
If you're ok with not knowing if your discs are accurate dumps, that's your choice.

>>10529914
Even curated collections on archive and torrents sometimes have bad copies. It's actually pretty rare to find a collection where every ISO passes verification against the redump DATs. I always have to go looking around for at least a handful.

>>10529962
What does that have to do with OP post? You can get accurate copies and then convert them to chads

>>10529962
>>10529968
maybe just play a games guys? huh? ever thought about that? or you'd rather jerk off to hash dumps? OOOOOF YEAH THAT'S EXACTLY A971E147EF8F411B4A2476BBA1DE26B9A9A84553C43A90204F662CA72EE93910 COPY OF BING BING WAHOO I GOTTA COOM
jesus

>>10529873
Not for me, all my PS2 images are around 1.4TB which is a lot but idc about adding another management layer on top. Wouldn't be worth the drag and drop setup I have for PS2 games.

>download the game
>play the game
>delete the game

Yep, that's me.

>>10527937
For real?

>>10529981
You would probably eat shit if it was labeled as cake.

>>10530071
if by shit you mean your mom pussy, yeah i'd eat that shit, kid

I'm now converting my PS2 ISOs and it's kind of a mixed bag. Some go from 4 to 1, others from 4 to 3.8. And each one takes like 5 minutes to convert on my midrange 2020 PC. They do seem to work just fine though so I suppose I'll do it for my permanent collection but I'll keep my disposable backlog in ISOs, I'll delete most of it after playing anyway.

>>10530134
on average i'd say my ps2 dump went by 60% in size, some games are full of bullshit data like in op, some get compressed only by 10%

Ez
Just download a Redump verified bincue, then convert it to CHD yourself.
I've done it myself, and also reverting it to bincue, and CHD is truly lossless.
CHD isnt as good as 7z for archiving, but CHD is playable

>>10527932
Emulation is better
Cope

>>10526913
Use CHD's on real hardware then??

>>10531537
Mister is not real hardware anon

>>10531627
OPL
USB Loader GX

is there a way to have a comfy library with all the cover arts lined up and scans of old manuals in there too?

>>10531694
You could use cover art for icons I guess but that seems silly. Every other solution I've seen is way too cumbersome

>>10531631
OPL can't run CHDs.

>>10531765
chd zso same shit different anus

>>10526881
Because it uses LZMA compression. For it to be the ultimate format it needs Zstandard or LZ4.
>>10527937
Not on PS2, PSP or Wii
>>10531813
Not the same thing at all

>>10526927
Not those anons, but I enjoy fixing hardware, so I will enjoy that.
Enjoy fucking with settings and managing your digital hoarding habits more than playing games and then cheating when you finally do play a game.

>>10530457
>Just download a Redump verified
It's not verified unless you verify it yourself. Big files often get corrupted during upload or download.

>>10531908
then verify yourself, what the fuck is your problem, retarded autistic nigger

>>10531908
oh yeah let me buy every copy of a game and rip it myself instead

>>10526881
Is it just compression? Why not just use zip format and slap a bin/cue in there?

>>10532036
go ahead bro, nobody stops you

>>10532042
I'm legitimately asking these questions:
Is the difference in the functionality just compression?
If so, why use a new file type instead of .zip/.7z or whatever?

>>10526913
>real hardware in 2023
mental illness

>>10526881
Been using chd since 2001. Save a lot of space.

>>10532049
use google, not gonna spoon feed retards

>>10532145
No. I'll just stick to bin/cue.
Why even have the thread?

>>10532153
don't care didn't ask

>>10526881
>actually using chud files
NGMI

>>10531908
>ummm actually these two bytes right there might have been swapped due to solar activity
>*plays the butchered ENG adaptation of the game that changes half the story*
Why are gayme collectors like this

>>10532049
Because I can play .chd and I can't play a fucking .zip

>>10526881
I play mostly on original hardware and I don't know if converting them back will fuck up the disc image.

>>10532240
>plebbit image
>thinks chud is a real insult
Go back to plebbit you cringey fucking troon
>>10532036
It's lossless compression that only removes junk. Because of that, no extra load time.

>>10531897
Plastic hoarders play games less, this isn't up for debate
>>10531694
Emulation front end software

>>10532281
Kill yourself trip fag
Ywnbaw

>>10532351
Digital hoarders own nothing, aren't happy, and cheat because it's so easy to do so. Gaming is nothing more than stimming to them. This isn't up for debate.

>>10532281
Converting from CHD back to ISO or bin/cue results in different hashes from original.

>>10532106
Third world country poorfag

>>10529902
No, really, why can't you combine multiple discs into one CHD? You can do it with PBPs. It seems like an obvious feature to add.

>>10532384
CHD was created to store arcade hard drives, it was never MAME's original goal to add (multi-)disc to it. That's why it supports parent-clone relations, but not multiple discs.

>>10532435
Could the format be amended to add support, or would it break things? It's not like the MAME devs are too concerned about compatibility with older versions of their emulator anyway.

>>10532523
Sure it could, but the new specs would be incompatible with all current programs, not only MAME. The biggest issue is that they were (and still are) too slow to update the specs of the format and let CHDv5 become too widespread.
Like I said previously, CHD also needs to support a fast compression algorithm like Zstandard or LZ4 to be able to be usable on old hardware. It also needs to be able to recreate multi-track bin/cues and store proper hashes for verification. So there's a lot to be improved in CHD for it to be a complete format. I think a new format based on EBML (like Matroska) would be perfect for this, as it's basically a binary XML and completely extensible.

>>10532384
>No, really, why can't you combine multiple discs into one CHD? You can do it with PBPs
probably because PBP isn't a disc image, it's a homebew hack to launch PS games on PSP. are you retarded?

>>10526881
What's in it for me, other than a monumental waste of time and SSD cycles?

>>10533227
>waste of time and SSD cycles
you just wasted 20 tb of SSD cycles on your retarded shitpost and 10 seconds of my time

>>10533274
So, nothing. Wow, I'm gonna recompress all of my cue and bins nao!

>>10532989
Sir, I'm afraid you're the retard here. PBP files were created by Sony and then reverse engineered by homebrew devs.
inb4 I'm the retard somehow.

>>10533304
>recompress all of my cue and bins
cues only contain text strings about bins, there's nothing to "recompress", retarded faggot

>>10533307
yeah, and it was created by Sony to update firmware, not to launch pirated roms

>>10533313
Why waste time converting them, poindexter? Are you having a meltie?

>>10533319
>u mad
bro sorry, not buying your 'i was merely pretending a retard'

>>10533324
Still no reason, just your fatchild thirst for attention.

>>10533419
don't care didn't ask

>>10533428
>Why should I waste time, energy and disk life converting my perfectly serviceable files to this new format?
>LEL XD CUZ LIKE UH... UR DUM XD
Brilliant rebuttal.

>>10533317
Official PSP and PS1 games from PSN were EBOOT.PBP format before any Pops converters even existed.

>>10533564
this isn't microsoft support forum, retard

>>10532279
Jesus Christ you're a fucking retard.

>>10533564
>Why should I waste time, energy and disk life converting my perfectly serviceable files to this new format?
It takes you energy to convert? you just slap CHDman and that converter bat file in with your rom, click the bat, do something else while it does it, delete the iso when command prompt closes because its finished. Is this strenuous for you?

I know what website this is but I never thought I'd see people whine about a lossless compression format that shrinks your file size and nothing else

>>10533876
They were right though. You're the retard for having no rebuttal + apparently caring about something you know nothing about. CHD halves most file sizes because it deletes junk data. Zipping only saves so much space which you might've recognized from normal computer usage. That and do you actually think extracting the zip every time you wanna play is better? Even deciding to do both zip/7z compression and chd you'd be saving space. There are literally zero negatives. I don't know why you'd have the energy to whine about this

>>10533945
*saving more space than otherwise I mean

>>10533945
My question wasn't "why don't you, the end user, just drag n drop a fucking zip onto your emulators exe".
But thanks for actually answering my question. Genuinely appreciate it.

>>10533945
>CHD halves most file sizes because it deletes junk data.
It doesn't delete any data. What you're probably thinking of is LBA padding. CHD converters have no concept of what is or isn't junk data and leaves file structures as they are. If you find an ISO that's exactly 4.37 GB, it has LBA padding.

>>10532641
Good explanation.
>>10532989
I was converting PSX games to run on my PSP long before desktop PSX emulators started supporting PBP. I know where it originated.

>>10526881
still zero reason to do this
please, anyone, tell me what purpose this serves

>>10534229
>please, anyone, tell me what purpose this serves
you reply to a post which deliberately shows the purpose and ask about the purpose. are you legit retarded?
>/vr/
oh wait, nevermind

>>10534141
Thanks for correcting the person who was answering my question and calling me a retard.

>>10534229
saves disk space with zero downsides

>>10534104
>My question wasn't "why don't you, the end user, just drag n drop a fucking zip onto your emulators exe".
Yeah your question was "why don't you, the end user, just keep your collection in an uplayable state". And the answer is still "but why"

>>10534229
Chdman converts redbook audio to flac and uses lzma compression. It's still not as good as directly compressing an ISO with 7zip or Rar, but you don't have to decompress every time you want to play a game.

>>10535219
No it wasn't. It was why at all? Why does this format exist, when the main argument seems to be "makes the files smaller". Why have a new format at all? Why wasn't .zip adopted instead? What does this do that some standard compression couldn't be utilized for?

>>10535309
Which was apparently answered >>10535242 before I updated the page again.
Thanks.

i can fit my entire retro game collection on a 1tb usb. why do i need this

>>10535332
happy for you, retard

>>10535332
desu it's worth it for compressing pcm audio to flac alone. I believe you can revert with chdman if you're worried about ruining a pristine rip.

>>10532370
ok but it's not literally game breaking, is it?

>>10532370
>>10535669
I think they're working on it and it shouldn't prevent the game from running anyway.

>>10535692
yeah I have a lot of games on CHD anyway and also real hardware to burn discs for, it would piss me off if I burnt a lot of CDs and found out none of them would run

>>10535692
>I think
i think you post outright bullshit, retard. look up what "lossless" means

>>10535719
So you're saying it's impossible to convert lossless compressed audio back to PCM without it being a different checksum?

It looked like there was a PR for for splitting audio back to individual files instead of globing them together.
https://github.com/mamedev/mame/pull/11727

>>10535764
>So you're saying
you have problems with reading comprehension or something?

>>10535771
Apparently I do. Something can be lossless in a different format with a different checksum. This doesn't mean the original isn't 100% r

>>10535796
eproducible I'm slightly inebriated ATM

>>10535796
i guess you gotta back up that statement with something besides looking for open PRs on git like a typical retard from /g/

>>10535808
I already saw it awhile back. I'm not OP, but have most of my archive in CHD. The cue sheet is a bit of magic that can put your redbook audio anywhere. You can rip a game using cdrdao then use binmerge to combine tracks if you want. The game is still 100% there. The checksums will be different though.

>>10535832
>The cue sheet is a bit of magic that can put your redbook audio anywhere
good thing is you can grab proper .cue files from redump, so convenient

>>10535901
There's no such thing as a proper cue. It's a text file that points to where the actual files are. It doesn't exist on an actual disc.

>>10535908
then i guess there is no such thing as a "checksum" either, then why bother?

>>10535921
Checksum is a real thing. Format is also real and effects checksum. Ideally the program can export to whatever format you want. That's what the PR was about.

>>10535938
you just said that cheksum depends on arbitrary .cue file which may point to wrong files and checksum might be incorrect
seriously, fuck off back to /g/, they love arguing about pointless shit like this

>>10535951
Using cdrdao you get one binary and multiple redbook audio files. If you use binmerge it's one bin one cue. Using extractcd with chdman nets you one bin one cue. The audio and binary are globed together. It's still all there. I don't know how to make this any more clearer to you.

>>10535973
grab .cue from redump, then split the bin

>>10536001
The checksum should be the same in this case.

>>10536001
For grins I converted a bin cue PS1 game to CHD then used createcd to revert. The binary was identical checksum, but cue was off. I'm not sure why you're complaining.

>>10535163
If you're running out of space with games then I don't think you are downloading them to play them

>>10536173
>I don't think
exactly, because you're retarded

>>10536307
Sorry anon, I have plenty of HDD space, but you enjoy wasting time with compression

>>10536341
>run the command
>go to sleep
>wake up
>shits done
yeah i wasted so much time that's crazy bro

>>10536678
It's still wasted time anon
it serves no purpose, none
>I'm saving drive space
literally not an issue any more

>>10536690
>it serves no purpose, none
just like your retarded posts arguing against something you don't even need, ironic

>>10536705
>just like your retarded posts arguing against something you don't even need
I'm glad you agree

>>10536715
i only agree with the part where i called you a retarded faggot

After reading through this topic, I'm starting to think that electricity was a mistake.

>>10537441
why do i need electricity? i already have steam power