/vr/ - Retro Games

"Mode 7" was so fucking ugly, Christ.

>>10520025
It's just sprite scalling, pretty common in many 2D gaming back in the day, especially arcades.

I can’t get my fucking hands on a fucking trinitron pvm without selling my car or missing rent. FUCK.

>>10520217
Fuck pmv meme, just get a regular consumer one and use composite as devs intended.

>>10520217
The average 27-32-36 inch consumer trinitron is just as or more sharp than a PVM.

>>10520217
you don't need a pvm, just get a cheap tv

>>10520217
>i NEED a trannytron
iq issue

Why most CRT TVs can't take progressive scan? Some actual hardware limitation?

>>10520480
Because they are 15khz

>>10520484
And I assume progressive scan would require twice that, right?

>>10520480
ALL of them can take progressive scan.
You have the choice between 240p and 480i

>>10520480
I bet you're thinking 480p and not 240p.

>>10520238
>>10520294
>>10520337
>>10520423
>coming from the anons that probably own one

Is it just me or does this board have a raging hate boner for underrated/hidden gem games? It's like the opposite of /v/, everyone here only wants to talk about popular games and series.

>>10520609
There aren't anymore hidden gems

>>10520609
Once you've played them you realize most hidden gems were hidden for a reason. Once the novelty wears off you can evaluate them accurately.

>>10520574
>>10520597
yeah, I was thinking of 480p, sorry.

>>10520609
The concept of "hidden gem" is fucking retarded, most of them are mediocre or complete turds, there's often a reason they weren't popular.

>>10520607
yeah i own a pvm so i can tell you its nothing special.
I dont even use mine, i just like the way it looks, big consumer tv is better in every way

>>10520607
I don't. There are some going for ~300-500 in my area so I could if I wanted, but it doesn't appeal to me. Nothing beats having a CRT entirely fill your view.

Just found myself a Sony kv-27-fs100 for free. Everything seems to be in working order.

Anyone have a guide to calibrate these things to perfection? Or a source to recommend on that? Should I just post pics here? Would like to optimize my experience and willing to spend a little cash to get whatever connectors/upgrades necessary.

I can't seem to get into the service menu from the Remote either.

>>10520992
Pic related. Any game recommended to better calibrate the TV? I've got a sizeable N64 collection to try to get it right.

>>10520992
Service menu is display, 5, volume up, then power on.
You can find plenty of guides if you use google >:)
>>10521012
Its recommended to use a piece of software called "240p Test Suite" its been ported to most old systems but the SNES version has the most features.

>>10520992

>>10520609
Too many nintendo fanboys and they only care about the same 5-10 games

>>10521046
turn down picture setting

>>10521058
What does picture do?

>>10521079
picture is fancy talk for contrast

>>10521082
Should I keep my brightness and contrast settings at the literal middle if not below the middle? I feel like anything more might be too bright.

>>10521276
In addition: I ask this as when I played Majora's Mask, for the first time ever, on my I'art I felt when it was dust on the outskirts of the town where all the bombchus are that it felt a bit too dark. Now all my other games seem fine with the settings on middle of the road, but is MM just a very dark game overall when it comes to night segments? Or should I just adjust my brightness for it?

>>10521331
So here is a part in the town after I upped the bright setting to true neutral. Does it look too washed out for around this time of the day in game? Personally I think I may of had the brightness to low, as I was playing Paper Mario prior and lowered the brightness a bit as I thought it looked a bit washed out.

>>10521417
And this is the final boss of Paper Mario, where I made everthing neutral and lowered the bright and picture by 3 to 5 each.

>>10521424
>>10521417
This is what I had my settings at prior to that Bowser picture.

>>10521276
Ideally they should be in the middle, yes. When you do adjustments like screen voltage and sub bright down the line they should be at middle as well.

>>10521417
Its impossible to tell by your images what is too bright and what is too dark. Just adjust by what looks right to you.

>>10521459
Sorry, my phone sucks at taking photos of my tv.

>>10521456
>>10521459
Would generally having the Bright and Picture settings as low as possible be good? Having them below average seems to be better, but I worry about wearing out the TV by having one too low if that is possible.

>>10521480
You should be inversely worried about wearing your TV out by setting them too high. If they look better low, good, because that will wear them out less.

>>10521505
Oh, okay! Yeah, if I set the bright or picture to anything past the right of the middle setting of thwir "dials" >>10521430, then it looks washed out or too bright.

>>10521430
Colour temp should be mid, no?

>>10520030
>sprite scalling

>>10521632
Dang dude, gottem good on that typo.

>>10521629
It only goes from Low(cool) or High(warm).

How much should I pay for a 1084s-p1 CRT working but not re-capped? Don't forget to include the currency you are talking in.

>>10521760
less than $50

>>10521760
I have no idea what that is. Pay how much it is worth to you.

>>10521770
Sweet!. Can you point me to an example? I'm in Australia by the way.

>>10521772
It's like a 1084s for the Amiga and C64, but for PAL countries.

>>10521635
>sprite

>>10521632
Mode7 is a BG, not sprites anon

>>10522005
meant for >>10520030

>>10522013
I meant >>10521635
Actually but yeah

The "flat" tube Nanao MS8-25F monitor found in a Capcom Q Grand AM arcade cabinet. This would be the intended screen for playing Super Street Fighter II X and other CPS2 titles.

It uses a shadow mask design and the TVL rating is fairly high.

...

Been trying to find a decent PC CRT lately but I haven't had any luck. Anyone know if recycling centres in the UK are worth checking out?

>>10516158
To the anon from the previous thread asking about how I output from DP to RGBS 240p.
Just a DeLock DP adapter and custom cable. Rest was already discussed.

>>10521760
Around 50 eur seems reasonable

>>10521772
High TVL, tight pitch, slot mask monitor, has a great picture if not worn
Accepts 15kHz, from RGB to Y/C and composite, with analog geometry controls on the front, big knobs for easy access, great for multiple systems or modes

>>10516158
To the anon from the previous thread asking about how I output from DP to 15kHz RGBs 240p/60.
Just a DeLock DP to VGA adapter and custom cable. Rest was already discussed.

>>10520217
Just check local listings every day and have notifications set up for phrases like "old tv". I thought there is no way to get PVMs for cheap these days, but I lucked into two Sonys made in 00s, in great condition. That being said, a good condition 25+ inch consumer set will be even better for most people

>>10521046
Turn off VM/Edge enhancement.
If the color/brightness etc look good to you then don't do anything.
The only thing I'd recommend is turning off the red push in the service menu (AXNT/AXPL or something), but leave it on if that makes the yellows green.

Also from the picture you posted your TV seems to have a pretty bad "Wega bow." Just ignore it if you don't notice it. You have to mess with the rings to fix that.

If geometry looks good to you don't change anything either. If you do anyway, record the original values somewhere. You can't go back to stock once you change them.

Trying to make a consumer CRT look perfect is a neverending cycle of adjustments. Just forget it and enjoy your tv desu.

>>10520607
If you're buying a professional monitor there's a decent chance it has tens of thousands of hours on it and the picture can be dull or the monitor could develop issues. Get yourself a nice Trinitron or Ikegami, JVC or Panasonic and they look equally great.

>>10522693
this, also they arent magically better then consumer sets, especially not in 240p.
You wont use any of the studio features these days anymore anywaysy

>>10521430
It would be ideal if you could bring up a test pattern with a color/brightness ramp, something like pic related (it's from the 240p test suite). Some games have similar patterns in the options menu.
Set your brightness to minimum and go up until the TV stops crushing blacks, i.e. you can differentiate visually between the lowest levels. You'll probably have to find a compromise between perfect blacks and low levels not getting crushed. Mid setting on your TV is probably too bright and makes everything washed out.
For contrast, it's also a compromise. Find a spot on the scale that makes it bright enough for your environment and doesn't blow out highlights to white.
Tint/color for composite you can adjust more or less properly using the SMPTE color bars. Color temp I'd set to the warmer setting.
Disable any edge enhancement/digital processing/whatever it's your called on your set if it has anything like that.

>>10523073
Thanks for the feedback! I get a bit confused on what "crushing black" is, so I was just eyeballing everything.
>Mid setting on your TV is probably too bright and makes everything washed out.
Is that a good sign regarding the life of my tube that the medium settings are too high?

I found a NEC XM29 plus on FB market. What is a realistic price if I am picking it up, not shipping. He already turned down my offer of $2000

>>10523342
Nevermind on the crushing black, I found that it just means losing details to the darkness. Though I do wonder about my second question.

>>10522145
Which consumer television used the same tube?

>>10523356
id pay 100$ for one.

>>10523356
Nothing,Everything.

Any recommendations on a consumer level TV with a curved screen that has native RGB inputs that works for SNES gaming, meaning not 100hz? Looking on marketplace it's a lot of HD flatscreen trinitrons. While they would work for PS2, it's not ideal for SNES.

I go on Reddit and a lot of it is just people posting images of broadcast model TVs.

>>10520337
An excellent "Cheap TV" choice is the 14" "Disney Princess TV". There's tons of these still lurking in closets, and they get sold by dum-dum mommies looking to clean up the old toys. They are easy to mod to RGB, have stereo speakers, and though they're not the best hardware-wise, they're a simple design (curved picture tube) so they're easy to dial-in to get a nice picture.
I have one, it's good enough to read text in Amiga 640x200 mode.

Another thing to toss out there, see if you can score a set in the 21-25" range in an area known for vacation homes. These are likely to have very low hours. I have a 24" SD Wega like that - the thing was brand-new looking.
The 32" set was likely the "family tv" and will have a ton of hours on the tube.

>>10523490
Not sure what the standard rec is, but JVC D-series TVs had component inputs and a curved screen. For 240p gaming it's pretty top tier for a consumer set

>>10523356
$2000 is too much. Look elsewhere.

>>10523073
Did the color bar test and messed with the picture and bright levels to get around here. How would you rate this?

>>10523598
And I would say this is like 98% how it looks irl.

>>10523417
It has a tube code of A59JMZ193X.

A - television tube
59 - viewable diagonal image size
JMZ - Japanese made
193 - tube family code
X - P22 / consumer grade phosphor

This means there is probably a Toshiba television floating around out there, possibly only released in Japan, with the same tube in it.

>>10523648
And the night just to go full autismo. It feels too dark, but then I'm like "It's night, no shit".

>>10523649
A search for 24" Toshiba television turned up the 24AF series. These are plentiful and cheap.
In the service manual for the 24AF46 it lists a tube code of

A60MAU095X80

So it has almost the same viewing size and the same P22 phosphors. With component input supported. I would guess the TVL rating is about the same. The only big difference is this is a "true flat" design instead of an "almost flat" design of the MS8-25F. And the consumer television may not have as robust of a power system, so you might get some blooming on bright screens.

>>10523684
Just remembered HSF2 does not display in 240p so FYI.

>>10522451
not him, but i've had issues with this Delock adapter, iirc:
>you have to use super-resolution since it won't go below some pixelrate
>it took a couple of seconds to change resolution, games that use different resolutions (ex. hires menus, lores gameplay) were made unplayable
i've used ivy-bridge Intel HD laptop instead. You still have to use super-resolution, but it switches between resolutions instantly

>>10523698
is there a reason not to use super-resolution though?

>>10520609
Tendies unironically

>>10523684
anecdote from a reddit reseller about this line
>I cant stress how awesome the picture is on this Toshiba. Beats any Trinitron I have ever picked up. It even has scan lines that rival my PVM. Im keeping the Toshiba lol.

You have to do a little research on each individual model because sometimes these Toshiba televisions have Orion tubes in them with inferior picture quality.

>>10523706
less load on GPU, easier to use since you're displaying a real resolution instead of some stretched mess that you'll then have to work around. Retroarch handles that, but you'll have to configure other software for it too if you want to use it on your crt
for example watching a movie, with superres you have to stretch your video horizontally by the same factor as superres
having a GPU that can output as low as 240p without superres would be preferred, no need for workarounds like that

>>10523648
>>10523598
>>10523675
Sorry to keep spamming my stuff, but I forgot to mention that this is with S-video if that makes a difference.

>>10523761
Okay, I found out what "Red push" was and that it should be set to 0. Mine was set to 3. Holy shit this is such a major difference as I felt "something was off". Everything was too red I guess!

>>10523598
Can't really judge 100% by a photo, but it looks fine to me.
Don't worry about spamming, it's nice to see people actually posting their CRTs here and trying to get a better picture if they can.

>>10520774
uh huh

>>10523954
I also posted >>10523817 and I feel that was the main issue making things darker than it should. I actually was able to lower the picture and brightness a bit more than before.

>>10523817
>>10523675
All my consoles are too dark on my PVMs unless I set NTSC Setup to off (0). Which makes them use the Japanese 0 IRE value instead of +7.5 US value.
I found someone on here mention this once and they claimed that all consoles have the wrong IRE value for the US except Xbox. I don't know if that's true but changing that setting made the picture 100% perfect on my monitors.

wich one is better viewsonic ultrabrite e70f+ or optiquest q71?

Just picked up an SGI GDM-20E21. Seems to work fine but the picture is a bit dimmer than expected.

>>10524208
It was probably calibrated for color work a long, long time ago. That usually results in a dark image compared to what most people would use.
Then the image has dimmed over time from the many hours of usage.

>>10524259
Do you think there is much I can do to rejuvenate it? Like recapping? I wouldn't even know where to begin. Or am I just riding out the rest of its life so to speak

>>10524280
No.
I think the image you have posted looks fine and what I would expect from such a monitor today.
Perhaps it would be best to revise your expectations from it.

Do this.
1. Turn the monitor on and let it warm up for a period of at least an hour playing some moving content.
2. Reduce the lighting in your room to a single small lamp, or view it in total darkness.
3. Allow an hour for your eyes to fully adjust to the darkness level.

Now, only at this point are you ready to judge the monitor's performance. You may find that it appears much better looking under these conditions. For a very old monitor sometimes I think they take up to 3 hours to fully warm up from a cold start.

Extra note:
Resolution affects brightness in PC monitors.
If you are running that monitor at the highest possible resolution (probably 2048x1536) move it down to 1600x1200.
This will improve the brightness.
Moving down to 1280x960 or 1024x768 will improve it further.

Refresh rate also affects brightness.
Try lowering refresh rate to improve image quality.

>>10524324
>>10524331
Thank you for the pointers, I'll have to try this out when I can. I appreciate you. Yeah its maximum resolution is 1920 x 1200 @ 60hz and 1280x1024 @ 75hz. I had it powered on for maybe 45 minutes at the most, just testing it out. I had some color issues but I'm thinking it is my VGA adapter and not the monitor itself. I paid $350 for it so I'm hoping I can get some good use out of it. Its still pretty sharp looking, for what its worth. But I have no frame of reference.

>>10524175
watch your back

>>10523959
yep.
pvms are pretty cool but if you expect them to be magically better then consumer tvs you are sorely mistaken.
240p is 240p.

I get a kick of these rentoids that collect a ton of small shitty CRT sets because they can move them easily instead of just getting a free 27 or larger Trinitron from some old lady who can't move it.

>>10525036
I rented an apart in the 2000s and had a 36", 35", and 38" CRT in my living room at the same time.
With a 21" CRT PC monitor on my desk. And another back-up CRT monitor sitting in the closet.
My roomates all had their own CRTs.
I also had my old 19" consumer television.
I think at one point in a two bedroom apartment we had over ten CRTs.

>>10525042
>the virgin "I don't have the space for big CRTs, maybe when I get my own place"
Vs
>the gigachad "CRTs are an essential piece of furniture in my rental"

>>10525048
Vs
>the Ultrachad "Any free space is to be filled with crts"

>>10524893
Not all professional monitors are equal, can't tell if that's composite or a low TTL one, using anything other than RGB with a professional monitor is a waste

I've got a 27" Wega rgb modded and still love playing arcade games more on the PVM.

>>10525325
offcourse, like I said, I got it for the looks only.
Sadly PVMs are overpriced to hell so getting a 20" PVM requires alot of luck or alot of money these days.
I have had the pleasure of using large scale PVMs at gaming conventions and events and I still prefer consumer TVs, PVMs are usually dimmer due to having strong antiglare and many hours on the tube and decent consumer TVs still have plenty thick scanlines.
Id say a consumer TV gives you the best experience overall, even a 20" PVM looks small next to a 32" or even bigger consumer TV.
I would say the 38" consumer trinitrons are probably the best crt for retro games, absolutely massive with thick scanlines

>>10525336
>Sadly PVMs are overpriced to hell so getting a 20" PVM requires alot of luck or alot of money these days.
Absolutely. I got mine for under $100 in 2011. It's so stupid how much they're priced for these days. I got them early because I own a Neo Geo MVS and and other arcade PCB's so they were always very popular on arcade forums like neo-geo.com and mostly everyone recommended them there for years.

The Youtube retards really fucked everyone.

>>10525336
Did Sony make a 32"+ tube TV with a curved screen that had component inputs? I'm not a fan of the flat screens for some games.

>>10525375
>I'm not a fan of the flat screens for some games
Explain

>>10525342
oh yeah, i hate this whole retro gaming trend.
Atleast the kind of people that would pay 2000$ for a pvm are also the kind of idiots that would buy a Retrotink so maybe, just maybe, once stuff like that is more cummon the prices will go back to normal again.
I doubt it though.

>>10525375
Im not sure, but just go with not sony then.
JVC curved 32" sets exist for example

I miss my zoomer gf, she liked CRTs.

>>10525325
I use composite only on my professional monitor, it's comfy.

>>10490741
>PVM-1455*
Got audio, I had to disable User Presets and set remote to local. It took a deleted comment on a post for me to to figure it out but that is why. Audio out setting was my bane. Also it's loud as hell holy shit.

>>10521760
>>10521770
>>10522446
Sounds a little too good for the price, why aren't they more popular then?

join the only FURRY FREE crt discord and you could win this tv
https://discord.gg/xssj8xbR

>>10525383
prices have already gone down significantly. I bought a truckload of broadcast monitors during covid lockdown. I hit up a rental house that I knew hadn't been able to work for like 6 months and asked if i could go through their shit for gear. Each 20" was $50 and I bought a couple smaller 13-15"(?). I sold a few pvm-2030 for cheap ($350 each) because I just didn't have the storage room.Sold a bvm for $2k to a silverlake hipster.
2 years later drove these things from LA to VA and completely checked out of the crt market for that whole time because I just had so many.

prices are down and stuff stays up for long periods of time, in LA and VA.

the best part about broadcast monitors is the hobbyist shit you get into while setting them up like board repairs and making cables and shit.

picture of part of the haul. extended cab is also loaded with shit like roland monitors and professional vcrs.

Does anyone know what model this would be and if its any good? saw it on Facebook marketplace, tried searching for it on crt-database but could not find a matching one

Any tips on finding broadcast monitors besides keeping an eye out on Facebook market place? I'm I. The midsouth around Memphis. Do you guys call up newsrooms or colleges? Just get lucky going to flea markets? What can I do proactively to find a set? I have had no luck just passively sitting by looking at Craigslist.

>>10526027
You're late to the party, most news stations and universities/hospitals have already phased them out. Now you're at the mercy of resellers.

You can sometimes get lucky, old storage sheds being liquidated, old shops. Other than that, good luck.

>>10526027
i ve found exactly one broadcast monitor at a flea market, i paid $5. I also found a pvm-20L2 sitting on the sidewalk in front of St Vincent De Paul. Los Angeles just had so many of them floating around that you can still probably run into them for cheap or free. The best luck I've had is that prop house I mentioned above. newsrooms and colleges might be fine but my main advice is never mention gaming or anything like that. your first contact might be with someone that can't answer you or give them away to you. So just say you're looking for some. If you say for gaming or some stupid retro shit theyll look up "retro gaming" before you ever speak to anyone else and at that point you're done. Same goes for if you are setting up a meet, don't even mention gaming. Even if they have it posted online they may have not run into "retro gaming" but if you mention it, that price will be high as hell by the time you show up.

>>10525665
uh huh

I did it bros.
I ordered a CRT TV.
It's only for 26 USD, shipping yet to be determined.

>>10525954
>>10525961
Absolutely based.

what are my options for converting rec 601 ypbpr 480p (gamecube, wii) to digital rgb 480p? without lag preferably. can the ossc do this?

>>10526296
i posted all this shit here back in 2020 but i left so much shit there. All kinds of A/V stuff but their specialty was audio so they didn't really give a shit about the video stuff. The person i talked to on the phone was an old timer that had been in hollywood for like 50+ years. On the phone the dude said he had plenty of monitors and that he'd let them go for $50 a piece for the big ones, $24 for the small ones. When I finally went in a week later it was his daughter that was there to show me around. She had looked up the going rate for broadcast monitors and was much more aware of what she had by the time i went in . She said "these go for quite a bit of money online." i just played dumb, "oh yeah? weird. i just want to do some editing, Do they work? oh theyre not tested? okay."

>>10526296

>>10526423
>>10526429
how much are you reselling em for?

God damn, you have to be so quick on FB market place. I've seen two 27in Trinitrons go within 3-5 of posting.
One was free the other they were selling for $40.

>>10520217
The best CRT is the one you get for free.

>>10522145
I found the brochure for this series of monitor (Dual 8).
Too bad it is in such low resolution I can't read any of the specifications.

>>10526601
going to start by trying to trade for shit. old motorcycle stuff or a/v stuff, mostly. if no hits i might just store for a while. At one point I had them all running in the same room and that was pretty nice.

Anyone know how to adjust the hold on a PVM 20L5? I get a curve at the top of the screen with some arcade stuff. Console and most arcade stuff is fine, but things like PVM have a curve. I think it's the vhold?

>>10527014
its like pin amp i think

>>10527023
pin amp? You mean the pin cushion adjustment? that's not what I mean, it should be an actual potentiometer inside the tv

>>10527029
Hmmm maybe it's digital with the 20L5's

>>10519968

>>10527060
>>10527029
yeah, pin cushion adjustment, called pin amp on the on screen display, is the closest thing i can think of. yes, this adjustment contracts and expands the center of the display but this also brings the corners up and down accordingly. might also be a combination of settings too. what are you running arcade games with, my only experience with broadcast monitors is with original console hardware. as far as i remember all adjustments on the newer/ higher end monitors was done from the service menu except for yoke adjustments.

>>10527183
Yeah pin cushion adjustment wouldn't help. It's a curl only at the top of the screen. Pretty sure it's the V Hold.

>>10519968
If I get a 1chip snes, do I have to do the brightness mod or is it enough to just turn down the brightness on my TV?

>>10527242
It'll look perfectly fine on a CRT. It's only on capture cards and lcd's where it'll probably look slightly dimmer and that's only if you compare it to a non-1chip, you dont even notice otherwise.

>>10527276
Thanks for the reply. I've been going back and forth trying to decide if I'm autistic enough to pay more for and mod a 1chip, or just be happy with any old SFC I find in decent condition on mercari

>>10525965
Hello fellow latam friend. Late reply, but it's a kv21fs150. Chassis bx-1s.

Decent TV, turn off CMAT on the service menu and you're good to go. If it has a reddish tint on the screen then it's probably an issue with the IC and it needs to be replaced.

>>10526058
so what should I say while buing the pvm? Art proejct, tech savvy stuff, video processing.....???

>>10527643
Just say you're into old technology and stuff. If you're a genuine enough autist, it's not lying.

should i cop this for 50 bucks

>>10527859
No.

>>10527074
What is the model # of that Toshiba?

>>10527871
Would you mind if I ask you to elaborate.

>>10527912
It's just too small.
It's something to fiddle with but you won't actually play any games on it.
Save the $50 toward the purchase of a larger CRT.

>>10527859
fuck no unless you are doing something meme worthy with it like a art installation or something to turn on at parties for ambiance.

>>10528037
people need to stop paying for CRTs just because they are CRTs. i notice when scrolling through facebook marketplace nowadays theres always a couple nu-male trendy fucktards with like 3-6 listings for them to flip. stop supporting these fucks and wait until some old lady dies or moves and someone is way too fucking lazy to haul it away and give it away for free with a stand. theres still a ton of these things floating around, i have a shop at a marina thats accessible to the public and theres just a giant pile of e-waste there because people are too lazy to find a proper recycler and ive scooped up a CRT there.

people just get impatient when they get back into retro gaming on a whim and pay these fucks that hoard them to relist, or dumb aesthetic fags only want certain style and size of crt(like my friend who only wanted a shitty black CRT with no fucking inputs because it was the same era has his n64 and is a rentoid too cowardly to own a decently sized one)

just wait until a late model trinitron pops up, they always have a decent amount of inputs

>>10528037
Figures, thank you for the reply.
>>10528073
>meme worthy with it like a art installation or something to turn on at parties for ambiance.
I was honestly thinking of buying it just to tinker with it, I might buy it if the guy lowers the price again just to use it as a backdrop for parties like you said, all my friends are weebs and they'd probably get a kick of seeing old VHS rips being played on such a small TV.

>>10527859
This sells for 300 dollars, get it...don't listen to these retard anons

>>10526423
>>10526429
So that's why people on /vr/ are pushing the pvm meme so hard to secondary söy-millenials.
PCM are objectively the worst way to play 90s games.

Is there some sort of database for CRTs?

I live in Ching Chong land and found an area where people repair old ass electronics and sell them for pretty cheap. Saw some CRTs, just want to make sure I found ones that aren't shit.

>28yo and mosquito sound still annoying the fuck out of me
is there any work around to this bullshit? for now, turning the volume up is the only solution.

>>10528403
It shouldn't be that loud

>>10527074
Damn I remember a year ago I watched the DVD special edition of Akira with my ex girl. Good tiems.

>>10525690
Fuck yeah anon, was hoping you'd find a solution to this

>>10527074
>>10528779
I watched the new 4K version yesterday at the cinema, was pretty cool seeing it on a big screen. Gotta revisit it on a CRT sometime, too.

>>10529034
Dude, I went nuts and hooked up an old AV receiver with DTS sound decoding. It's just and fancy smancy digital encoding format like Dolby digital. Anyway, the DTS sound is only available with Japanese langues but you can still play it with English subtitles. This was my favorite shit to put on way back. It's the Akira special edition DTS dvd. It's the best shot. I was overjoyed to hear this coming though the AV system once again after a 20 year break.

Should I pick this up for ps2 games?

>>10529440
>Life size tekken on your wall
why not?

>>10529443
Didn't even know projectors came in crt variants, seems ideal for pre ps2 consoles..

>>10528174
>PCM are objectively the worst way to play 90s games.
Nah

>>10529460
Yeah, it's cool tech, each color channel is it's own high power CRT, hence three lenses.

>>10529476
MY EYES

>>10529485
More for me :)

>>10529509
Keep it all

>>10529528
I will. I'm sure you don't have a CRT to begin with.

>>10529534
I do, I just find slut-masks hotter.

>>10529580
>Not his CRT
lol

>>10522005
>>10521912
Fine, the visual effect is still the same.

>>10528174
>PCM are objectively the worst way to play 90s games.
based optical gigachad

>>10529593
Whose is it supposed to be then?

>>10522210
>Been trying to find a decent PC CRT lately but I haven't had any luck. Anyone know if recycling centres in the UK are worth checking out?
I don't know, I'm from South coast, I would suggest gumtree, Facebook marketplace.
Recycling places it depends what's local, maybe speak to the council, or check. online, and find out which places are good for electric scrap first.
Don't kys.

>>10529476
thick scanlines are pretty nice for the aesthtic.
big tvs still better then pvms though

>>10528886
Thank, Anon. I had a sneaking suspicion I was missing something since there was only absolute silence from the speaker, not even buzz or anything.

*sign* Where do I begin? The PS2 on this picture used to be connected to my 32" widescreen TV, but there were some problems with that setup. There was no way to force the image into 4:3 mode with pillarboxing, for instance. I know that some games support 16:9, but certainly not the majority. Image quality through component also left much to be desired, there was this chromatic aberration effect that I could clearly see that drove me nuts. So I wanted to get a CRT TV to use instead. The problem is... that I don't really have space for a CRT TV inside my flat. I was DESPERATELY looking online for one that would fit inside this cupboard (in a way that still makes it possible to completely close it) and I found nothing. The smallest I found was 14", I asked the seller for dimensions and it didn't fit, it was too deep. I eventually realized that no such CRT exists because of inherent limitations of CRT technology. So I had to get an LCD display because they are much flatter. However... no one ever really manufactured 4:3 LCD TVs. So that left me with just one option... a 4:3 (or close to it) LCD PC monitor. How did I connect a PS2 to a PC monitor, you ask? Well, that monitor has DVI-D input and I used a cheap chink PS2 HDMI adapter that takes the native component signal from PS2 and turns it into HDMI. But that adapter doesn't upscale, so 480i stays 480i, 576i stays 576i and 480p stays 480p, they're just digital signal now. And (as far as I I know) DVI-D, HDMI and DisplayPort all use the exact same digital signal transmission standard under the hood (at least for lower resolutions). So I also have a passive (I think) HDMI to DVI-D cable running from that adapter to the monitor. And it works! Sort of... I got this PC monitor locally for 4 EUR and it's actually quite good. It can display 576i, 480i, 480p through its DVI-D port no problem. The problem is that using the first two gets me this annoying floating error message about signal being out of range.

(1/2)

>>10529992
I tried everything I could and there's just no way to get rid of this. I actually saw that error message back when I was testing with my PS2 connected at the office of the guy I got this monitor from, so I knew it was there. I just thought that I can find a way to get rid of it for sure. But it's not as simple as I thought. I tried turning every OSD setting on and off. Nothing worked. I tried locking OSD settings. Didn't work. I tried locking the power button. Didn't work. I tried holding random combinations of buttons in hopes that I'd trigger something and nothing worked. Another unfortunate thing is that when this error message is displayed I cannot enter the OSD settings to change brightness for instance. I thought that there must be some button combination that would allow me to unlock hidden OSD settings or service menu that would finally allow me to turn this off. After googling aggressively, I found nothing. I know that this isn't a CRT, but if no one knows here then certainly no one on this website knows. /g/ was useless as usual. Please help, I really want to get this to work. I can play games that support 480p through component just fine because that resolution is above 31kHz and so the monitor doesn't display this stupid warning. But not every game has a deinterlacing patch or can be successfully forced to use 480p through GSM.

(2/2)

>>10529051
Yeah, I know all about DD and DTS. DTS was always much better because of the higher bitrate, shame many movies only had Dolby. I don't even have a home theater setup right now, only stereo, but I want to build a dedicated second system for it in the future, with Atmos and all that jazz.
One thing with Akira is that there's A LOT of different audio tracks, seems like they messed with it for every subsequent release. The 4K Blu-ray that's available in the west doesn't have the original 2.0 track, you can only get it on the Japanese 4K, even though old western BDs had it. Good that there's no region locking this time, at least. The latest 5.1 track sounded amazing at the cinema by the way, other than some dialogue being a bit too quiet.

>>10529645
But optical can carry uncompressed stereo PCM up to 48kHz. Autism mode off.

>>10529992
Very easy solution to your problem. Go out and get a 34" widescreen crt that weighs 200 pounds and replace your 32" widescreen LCD with it. They can do 480p (deinterlace from 480i as well) and 720p and 1080i.

>>10529992
>>10529997
HAHAHAHAHAHA, I DID IT, I FINALLY DID IT!
I searched some more and found a forum post with some guy complaining that his monitor displays some weird message saying "Stop! If you continue you will void your warranty!" all on its own. Another guy suggested that it was likely because the buttons on his monitor were broken and behaved as if pressed on their own. He also said that the message was probably about entering the service menu, but that he didn't remember the exact button combination to do it. But then I thought: if broken buttons can trigger it on its own, then it can't be too complicated... I tried holding random button combinations some more, and the result is this. AFAIK no new options get unlocked in OSD settings, but it gets rid of the floating error message each time it's applied, which is enough for me.

>>10530086
Well, that won't be necessary now. Thank FUCK.

>>10530027
I'm gonna have to look into some of these Akira blue ray disks. I'm interested in trying the 2.0 track. I don't have any newfangled stereo equipment to try some with atmos sound though. I was cleaning my parents house and just recently found my old pioneer 5.1 AV receiver that I bought as a teenager. It still works perfectly fine. I can attest that the DTS dvd sounds really good. I don't care so much how the diologue sounds as I don't understand Japanese but the sound effects are spectacular.

>>10529786
As a man who has used every display technology for gaming, no, you're wrong. TVs just suck balls. Besides, 20-32 inches is fine as far as size goes and it's easy to find PVMs and BVMs at that size range.

>>10530164
Too high TVL and tight pitch.

>>10530172
Sharper picture looks better and most TVs have dogshit voltage regulation and bloom like a motherfucker. I've used RF and composhit on low TVL tubes and they look like crap compared to my 900 TVL PVM and BVM.

>>10530176
Get a high end model TV from a good brand and use RGB, not overly sharp yet good picture.

>Sharper picture looks better
Play on a LCD.

>>10530261
>Play on a LCD.
The delay and shit black levels ruin it for me.

>>10524175
E70f+ has a lower dot pitch, I got one recently and I'm very happy with it

Think I'm done with CRT collecting after this one. $25 for 35XBR48. Movers refuse to come to my house anymore after this. Curved display with component n shizz. Sorry for lainfaggery.

>>10530146
You're still playing on a shitty old LCD, what's even the point? You'd be better off with an upscaler on a modern panel.

>>10530334
Nice anon

>>10530164
>>10530176
works on my machine.
If I want maximum sharpness ill always have my 1500+TVL monitors.
Size of the TVs just kicks ass above everything, from a few meters back you cant see the scanlines even on your meme PVM anyways.

>>10530438
>you cant see the scanlines even on your meme PVM anyways.
Funny how this is the biggest complaint even though this is known. Goes to show everyone shit talking professional monitors has never used them, go figure.

>>10530438
I sit as close to my PVM as you'd sit to an arcade monitor, because that's what I use it as.

>>10530515
What's the difference between a 20 inch PVM and a 21 (20 viewable) Trinitron VGA monitor from a meter away?

>>10530523
The VGA needs a line doubler.

>>10530438
>If I want maximum sharpness ill always have my 1500+TVL monitors.
I only use computer monitors for... computer games. Controversial, I know.
>from a few meters back you cant see the scanlines even on your meme PVM anyways.
You may have vision problems.

>>10530523
People often forget about the color accuracy on broadcast monitors which was the whole reason they were over $10K new. It's not all about TVL, a high end BVM/PVM/JVC monitor will shit all over a JVC in that regard.

>>10530536
*Shit all over a VGA

>>10530515
but I have used them...
Like over a dozen of the most precious biggest ones at retro gaming conventions and i own a small one myself
Huge TVs are simply nicer to use
>>10530528
>I only use computer monitors for... computer games. Controversial, I know.
I agree for the most part but when I emulate i just use pc crts cause i cant be bothered to somehow output 15khz from my pc.
>>10530523
The PVM can accept old consoles natively.
I would say spent the extra cash on a pvm if you only want 240p as sharp as possible.

>>10530543
>Huge TVs are simply nicer to use
I'm not arguing against this, I get the appeal, it's whoever saying it's a meme or they're shit tvs, I can understand the retards playing on 9" broadcast monitors using them for retro that shit is stupid, but all of the 17" or higher ones are nice and perfectly fine for gaming.

No one comes to these threads to shit on consumer or PC monitors, it only happens with broadcast monitors because of the reddit stigma and youtubers etc...

>>10530550
true.
its a shame desu because for security cameras and room decorations pvms are perfect if they werent so overpriced.
Its funny how pvms are being used to price gauge idiots today just the same as when they were new and sony sold them to production companies and hospitals for 10x what there were actually worth lol
if you can get them cheap they are nice, though if you spend more then 50 or hell 100 in some cases on a crt your an idiot in my eyes

>>10530550
>it only happens with broadcast monitors because of the reddit stigma and youtubers etc...

the best shit is when you post one that isnt a pvm and they still call it a pvm because they are so ignorant they think all those professional tvs were just pvms lol

>>10530585
its simple really.
if you got a pvm for cheap thats fine
if you payed alot for a pvm you deserve to be ridiculed.

>>10530591
>payed
>alot
no one cares what poor ESLs think

>>10530597
found the sucker that payed hundreds for a pvmeme

>>10530601
>payed

>>10530606
yes payed.
>noooo its paid nooooo my beautifull mutt language
kys

>>10530616
only poorfags worry about how others spend their money, it only makes it funnier you're esl

>>10530617
this is not true.
anyone with any sort of empathy would try to prevent people from getting scammed.
Aswell as that poorfag and insults like that are 90% used by literal shills on this website.
so yeah kys pajeet shill

there was noticeable change even in /crt/ in the last few years. in 2020/2021 this thread still had a bunch of people posting cheap monitors they got or consumer sets theyd modded themselves. when i checked back in for the first time like last year it had completely shifted to mostly consumer sets and pretty shit OC pictures. The consumer sets are fine and all but there was also way more anti professional monitor attitude and a sense that consumer sets were just as good as professional monitors, which is legit just a cope. professional monitors may be overkill and obviously way overpriced for the application but they're not even close in build quality, serviceability, or picture quality. Sure, plenty of consoles only need 240p, but lots of later consoles had higher output settings that most consumer sets wouldnt be able to take advantage of.
i got all my professional monitors for cheap or free, but given the choice it isn't even close. There is no reason to overpay for a monitor, but even paying like $50 for a consumer set is overpaying.
my favorite monitor has probably been a 16" jvc monitor that i got for free. I'd cart that little fucker around and plug in parapa the rapper or thps as a party trick.

>>10530645
yeah its a lot of oldfags leaving and newfags coming in, its like going to some sports cart forum and calling the top cars shit and a honda civic the best, its pretty funny, i just come here mostly to shitpost now there's no meaningful discussion here, not even technically, most people dont know shit in these threads about repairing or maintaining outside the basic, few do, but most dont

>>10530645
It's all sour grapes.

>>10530652
i do distinctly remember when people started using "PVM" synonymously with professional monitors and getting baited(?) into an argument. I also remember personally loading up a pallet of monitors to be taken off to the gas chambers when the rental house i worked for in like 2012 tried and failed to sell them at a parking lot sale. That one hurt when i got into the hobby a few years later until i realized there were shit tons to be had for dumb cheap. Now my regret is not having picked up more extra shit like switches, and audio gear to go along with it.

Oh, i also sold some dude a broken 20" bvm for like $250-300 in a train station parking lot in LA only to run into him here on /crt/ later that week. His car had a cheesy sticker that read "strictly business" on it so i didn't feel too bad about it.

>>10530645
Heres the thing though...
they simply arent better.
Any half decent consumer TV can display 240p perfectly fine.
You really only need around 400 TVLs for that since its you know...
320x240 resolution.
PVMs are cool and neat but not special really.
You are not making use of any of the advanced broadcasting features when playing videogames on them, they were made to deliver the best 480i experience with tons of options for color input, linking, remote control etc depending on the model.
Are PVMs better as broadcast monitors then TVs?
yes
Are PVMs better for old video game systems?
nope.
Decent size TV set with RGB input is just as good for that.
>>10530654
Its not sour grapes, I both own a PVM and I own much superior Super VGA monitors that stomp the ground with any PVM in terms of raw sharpness geometry and features.
Pvms were never meant for consumers, they have features no one but the broadcasting industry would need.
its rediculous.
Also I hate all of you PVM freaks because I want to build a huge wall of PVMs because i think they look cool but people insisting they are great for retro games for some reason have ruined that plan

>>10530690
but most video game enthusiasts would probably have other interests. I've literally done the wall of monitors, not a wall but 8 20" and a couple 13-16" and it took fucking forever to setup and i had to make tons of cables myself. its not just lol play mario on nice monitor. its just hobbyist shit. its fun to fuck around with high end serviceable electronics

>>10530697
right and thats awesome.
crts should just be something fun to mess around with.
I just despise the PVM elitists and I even more despise the people trying to make a bank on this hobby.
scalpers need to be sodomized with red hot steel rods

main issue with pvms is the fucking sony faggots that infest everywhere and shill their trinitrons as if its the only brand worth owning.
Hate these apple worship imposters.

I can get a viewsonic p815 for 40$ it's looking pretty rough the description says it needs green color calibration, and light adjustment. Should I bite and work on this monitor?

>>10530550
Speaking of 9", this isn't my picture but, I love this little nigga.

>>10530745
Great monitor.
Impossible to calibrate due to lost software so hard pass

>>10530764
Thanks for the heads up. That sucks. So does it needs like an ancient cd? Or was the software proprietary for each specific monitor?

Might be dead. I'd only take it if we're free

>>10530760
full comfy achieved

>>10530706
>PVM elitists
literally dont exist except in your head

>>10530797
That picture is from r*ddit, but here is mine. Pretty sure it uses a Panasonic tube based on the sticker on the tube.

>>10530864
The sticker seems to match Panasonic stickers from what I have seen. Plus, that bit behind the tube holder spring looks like the "M" used on M tube tags.

>>10530864
I've been looking for a comfy 9 inch. I've got an ikegami that I really love but I want a consumer one too. Great size for desk gaming.

>>10530887
I'm planning on using it for NES and PC Engine games, since I feel they fit a nice small screen.

For the life of me I can't find a curved 28"-36" with component. I'm close to just saying fuck it and getting a retrotink4k when they restock. Get a cheap 40" HDR OLED since that would be about the same screen height as a 32 inch 4:3. Then I could hook up whatever and be fine. SNES to PS3 would work no problem.

I'd loose some motion clarity but more than likely I'd hardly notice.

are panasonic-bt crt monitors as good as sony-pvms?

>>10531052
I have a bt-h1350Y and it's one of my favorites.
I hear the YN models are really good too

>>10530645
I am still here from time to time but when I post things I think are interesting on here such as my recent autistic spamming of Nanao monitor tube codes I get no replies.

>>10530954
buy an ad faggot

now these are scanlines worthy of being called scanline gaps

>>10530645
You sound so obnoxious.
>party
yeah right.

>>10531802
people calling themselfs oldfags are usually the most obnoxious faggots.

>>10530536
>>10530540
Professional VGA monitors exist and are way more common though.

>>10531802
>going to and throwing parties is unfathomable
you must be a real fucking gremlin with that kind of outlook.

>>10530645
I'm trying to buy a 13" Olympus pvm and the dude wants $380..

>>10532135
The idea is that I don't believe you even get invited to parties

>hanging out with fiancee and her mom
>mention that I want to get a CRT
>a week later her mom sends a pic of a Trinitron in the trunk of her car
>"Anon, I found one of those old TVs you were looking for at a garage sale"

Ya boi got lucky

>>10532419
And all just to signal that you have a gf
Though I do remember when I was dating an ex, her mom also gave us a good CRT and a 5.1 sound system...

>>10532446
Now I'm dating her. Thanks for beta testing

>>10532459
Enjoy the sloppy seconds.
Seriously though, the dating game is tough.

Comparison of Capcom's Q Grand AM 25 cabinet vs Sega Astro City cabinet.

These days Super Street Fighter II X is almost always played on a 29" monitor in Japan.

Can anyone here help me identify this TV? Picture was taken around 2008. Sorry for the potato quality picture

I have more but they're all of similar quality

>>10533939

>>10527343
Hey there! thanks a lot for the info, if i may, i found these other CRT listed on the marketplace, the Trinitron on the second picture is not available, do you think the other two TV's are decent?

>>10534037
i'm no crt expert but i had a vega like that third one when i was a kid and i remember it being the bomb

>>10534037
500 dollars is absolutely not worth it for a magnavox
the black curved sony's are peak sex design and you should get it over anything else

>>10534048
i would believe that's 500 pesos anon which is like 30 bucks

>>10534048
ah sorry, those are Mexican pesos which would be 30 bucks like >>10534048 said

>>10519968
>calls it X-mas edition
>without posting an image that's X-mas related

>>10534162
The fuck is X-mas
Is that the new Wolverine movie?

>>10534048
>500 dollars is absolutely not worth it for a magnavox
Please elaborate on a detailed technical basis why you think this is so.

>>10534209
Let me elaborate:
500 dollars for what looks to be a 13 or 20 inch mono composite only magnavox television is not worth it, in my opinion. You could probably even buy a 13-20 inch lower end professional video monitor with that money.

>>10534037
That seller is a retarded and likely a crack head to ask 500 for a crappy coomsumer grade tv. You can find non retards who will sell you a trin for $30. That is what I paid for 27". The trinitron I have isn't even my favorite set. It's a little out of focus and needs some rgb mods.

>>10534259
If you ever see a JVC D-series try to buy that. Later they had the i'art. But the earlier d-series with curved tubes are the ones to get if possible.

>>10534263
I love my I'art very much.

>>10534037
Get the left one

>>10534206
merry crossmas

>>10534209
so basically the technicaly explenation is 500$ is more then that shitbox costed new and most people would throw it in the junk if they found in the basement or attic.
But if you wanna donate the seller 500$ go right ahead, I 100% gurantee you the seller got it for free though

Hearing people talk about paying so much for crt tvs always makes me think back to this time I found a dozen crts just lying in a field.

>>10534037
Jesus, are thing really that bad in NA?

Which one is your favorite?

>>10534446
nah.
But a fool and his money are easily parted

>>10534470
Thought so, TVs like that are like 5 eur here, people are happy to get rid of them.

>>10534473
pretty much the same in us, but it depends on where you live.
paying 500 for a tv like that is too much anywhere though, even in the places where crts are really rare that shouldnt be more then like 30$

>>10534473
its just retards seeing wega's and other shit go for high prices thinking they can price any crt they find or inherit at the same price

I'm glad retards obsess over sony TVs so the price on everything else stays reasonable. So many of those WEGA sets look like shit compared to some no name set

>>10533939
Based on the length of the brand name I'm guessing something like Panasonic, Magnavox, or Mitsubishi. Pretty difficult to make out even a letter though. It also has forward facing stereo speakers which could help you narrow it down. It looks very similar to JVC D-Series but definitely some longer brand name.

>>10534554
yep.
Sony is nice but they arent the only nice sets

What tech do you think got missed by flatscreens overtaking CRT's?

>>10534612
SED maybe but that was a dead end. We did get plasma and it was even popular for a while. Nothing much, CRT tech was pushing the limits of it's capabilities or at least it was really close.

>>10534680
both false.
SED was fixed pixel sadly and crt tech wasnt even close to being done.
end point of crt would have been getting rid of the mask somehow and thus increasing brightness x3 and making very high resolutions possible, 4k 8k all no problem without the limiting mask

>>10534685
Yeah, we had that, it's called a B&W CRT, invented almost a hundred years ago.

>>10534685
>>10534689
Oh by the way, that did exist, as a color version, it didn't help much with brightness thanks to that, it just had a layer in front that changed color every frame.
So technically, if you scale it up with faster H/V frequencies and size, you could have what you described with your 8k scenario. But it will suffer the same problem cheap projectors have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-q8ehzHeQQ

>>10534689
exactly.
Now what happens if you take 3 Black and white crts with different phosphors and overlay them?
A color image.
RPCRT was the final form of crts, too bad that the examples that exist had been so poorly executed that they are worse then normal crt in every way

>>10534698
i am in now way talking about that.
That jvc is literally the worst of both worlds lcd crt abomination.

>>10534702
RPCRT is basically just a CRT projector + screen. Nothing that you can't get now either. You could even mod one if you're crazy enough to do higher resolutions than stock.

>>10534698
wtf thats magic

>>10534709
Not really, it's not much different from the analog version from the old days where they were trying to figure out color TV.
It literally had a spinning wheel with 3 or 4 colors in front of it that was in sync with the framerate, giving the illusion of color. This is basically the digital version of that.

Cheap projectors also use that principle, they literally spin a wheel in front of a black and white projected image before it leaves the projector to change color of each frame it displays.

>>10534717
>Cheap projectors also use that principle, they literally spin a wheel in front of a black and white projected image before it leaves the projector to change color of each frame it displays.
For reference.

>>10534717
shut the fuck up retard

>>10534037
Hey, anon.

That Trinitron on the second picture was probably the best since it has component and maybe Svideo depending on the model. Of course, that depends also on which consoles you plan to play on it.
I wouldn't get the Magnavox since it looks pretty worn-out, it's missing some of the front buttons.
I love the look of that black Sony and probably would get it if it was me. But it's probably composite only.

Either way, everything depends on the condition of each TV. I suggest asking the seller for a picture or video of the TV working. If the image looks clear, bright, and with no visible distortions, it should be good.

>>10534704
meh even the best crt projectors only use 9" tubes.
Impressive enough, 2500x2500 res, but imagine for example 20" tubes.
Much much brighter and much high resolution

>>10535028
Resolution in monochrome CRTs only depends on the horizontal and vertical capability of the driving security, not the tube itself though.

>>10535040
Why would you think that?

>>10535045
Monochrome tube, no mask/grille. Same reason there's very sharp sub-1inch camcorder viewfinder CRTs. The limitation to resolution is how fast you can drive the beam.

Sure at some point the beam and the phosphor itself would become the limit, but at 20 inches it would be far away, even at 8k.

>>10535062
Well this is simply not true.
Spot size is the determining factor of what a monochrome tube can resolve.
So you either need sharper focus or a bigger tube

>>10535069
How is this any different than what I just posted?
The spot size isn't even really determinated by the tube, but how you drive it. At least not at the resolutions we talk about, it's not a tube limitation, especially at 20 inches.

>>10535086
It is very different.
And a 9" tube running 2500x2500 is indeed limited by its spot size more then likely.
And it is a matter of the tube, not just how you drive it.
Yes the harder you drive a tube the bigger the spot, however some tubes are simply sharper then others.
One of the main aspects of improving crts is improving focus aka spot size which is why high resolution tubes have atleast 2 pots for focus.
brushing this off as if it aint a big deal is very dumb

>>10535102
You were talking about a 20 inch tube and 2500x2500 resolution... Read my posts again if you miss the point.

>And a 9" tube running 2500x2500 is indeed limited by its spot size more then likely.
You said 20 inch. But if 9 inch is more than likely, then I doubt 20 inch would be a problem.

>Yes the harder you drive a tube the bigger the spot, however some tubes are simply sharper then others.
Yes and even older monochrome tubes can be very sharp, as proof of concept.

>One of the main aspects of improving crts is improving focus aka spot size which is why high resolution tubes have atleast 2 pots for focus.
Which is not related to the tube itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkrUuxvKmxU

>>10535109
no.
I was talking about the best crt projector which uses 9" tubes and has a max res of 2500x2500.
I said it could resolve much more if it had 20" tubes instead and it seems you agree with this.
>Which is not related to the tube itself.
Most retarded thing you have said so far.
Where do you think the focus voltage you set by turning the knobs goes?

>>10535120
>I was talking about the best crt projector which uses 9" tubes and has a max res of 2500x2500.
Fair enough.

>I said it could resolve much more if it had 20" tubes instead and it seems you agree with this.
I do.

>Where do you think the focus voltage you set by turning the knobs goes?
Show me where the focus pots or pot is on the tube. I'll wait.

You can have two tubes by two different manufacturers that both work with the same driving circuity and both could resolve the same resolution.

>>10535129
>Show me where the focus pots or pot is on the tube. I'll wait.
so basically there are these things called wires.
And these wires go from the flyback transformer where the voltage is derived to the neckboard to the crt.
you know how changing the brightness affects the tube despite you not turning anything directly on the tube?
same shit
>You can have two tubes by two different manufacturers that both work with the same driving circuity and both could resolve the same resolution.
yes.
You can also have two tubes from the same manufacturer with the same driving circuit and one is sharper then the other due to manufacturing tolerances wear etc.

>>10534554
Tell me about it. I picked ip a free LG Flatron yesterday. Geometry is nearly perfect except for some yoke sag which O am sure I can fix. Anyone who knows tv tech is aware that LG tubes are truly flat but "much trinitron".

>>10534685
That would be the beam-index tube.

>>10530690
>Are PVMs better for old video game systems?
>nope.
>Decent size TV set with RGB input is just as good for that.
There are no TV sets with RGB input in the United States, however, unlike Europe, Japan wherever that had scart standard. So here RGB is the biggest thing going for pro monitors, as the only other option is to RGB mod a regular TV set (nontrivial or $$$ if you are not technical) or find a literal one in a million ProFeel or other oddball rare TV with RGB.

>>10535028
>>>10534704
>meh even the best crt projectors only use 9" tubes.
>Impressive enough, 2500x2500 res, but imagine for example 20" tubes.
The largest CRT projector tubes ever made were 12 inch tubes in the BarcoReality 912, which I believe cost over $100k. The limitation in going larger is probably making lenses that size - pictured is the 12 inch lens next to like a 9 inch...it's like the size of an air cleaner on a semi truck. I'm not sure they could even make a 20 inch set, at least for a realistic price - for comparison, a 20 inch lens is half the size of those in the gigantic Yerkes telescope, the largest refracting telescope ever made.

>>10535672
Sucks that your little thirdie country couldnt afford decent TV sets, in countries where you can safely drink from the tap RGB is standard

>>10535698
oh damn that must be a rare piece of kit.
I thought the cine9 was the biggest and best.
Imagine the weight of the whole thing...

>>10535672
you had ycpbr which is functionally equivallent to rgb.

>>10535672
>There are no TV sets with RGB input in the United States.
That is not true. The RCA Dimensia had it.
A couple of other direct view TVs had it.
A handful of RPTVs had it.
A handful of CRT projectors with TV tuners in them had it.

They are rare, but they do exist.

>>10535698
>>10535707

>>10535767

>>10535767
Got any pics of it running some 4k content?

>>10523598
Looks good, maybe a bit cool/too much blue, but if it looks fine during gameplay then... it's fine.

>>10535787
>>10523817
And that goes to show how much I gleaned from the color bars heh. Glad you got it better regardless

>>10523356
I definitely wouldn't pay $2k for one, but I have an XP29+ and will say it's a very nice set. Good image quality, but most of all you're getting a good screen size. For NES and older I'm fine with sub-20" monitors, but beyond that (especially for 3D games), 29"+ just feels ideal.

>>10535781
It's a very rare unit - I can't even find a picture of one "in the wild" in someone's home etc. and it would be great to see one in action. As the brochure says "The highest performance, both in resolution and light output, ever achieved by CRT projectors" so by extension maybe CRT technology itself.

Someone really needs to find one!

>>10535769
>180kHz horizontal
>240Hz vertical
wew

The multi color lights danced and speckled off of the glass white now. Like a Blizzard of rainbow colors to my dismay. It was ludacris, i was anxious as hell, i released my finger from the trigger. All i could think of was i was trapped inside of a Christmas ball snow globe.. like a little kids toy, funny as hell. It was the only thing i could think of.

>>10536163

>>10536182

>>10534438
Magnavox televisions were not shit boxes. But i accept your opinion because it is logically coherent.

>>10534438
the discussion is not about that single CRT, it is about the Magnavox brand in total.

>>10536163

>>10536228
Poop

>>10536230

>>10536239
Haha

>>10534446
Nah, you can still get stuff waaay cheaper.
But that said, I definitely think waiting too long to find the perfect set at a bargain price isn't the best idea, even if you wind up paying a little bit more than you think is ideal. As somebody who has been in "the game" of retro games and retro game adjacent shit for quite some time, it's comically sad just how many things I see which are cited as being "good deals," but would've been "you're a fucking delusional retard to ask/pay that much" prices not even a decade ago. Arcade candy cabs were plentiful, like if you wanted an Astro City, you could hop on ebay and buy an Astro for a few hundred, no waiting or fighting or searching, even in the early 2010s, then one day they got markedly harder to obtain outside of Japan and suddenly people became rabid to buy them for over a grand.
Will all old CRTs suffer the same fate? Nah, but I do think decent consumer sets will eventually creep in price to match today's low end pro monitor prices.

crt bump

>>10536258
>Arcade candy cabs were plentiful, like if you wanted an Astro City, you could hop on ebay and buy an Astro for a few hundred,
If six hundred dollars is a few hundred, maybe.

>>10538578
I think mine was maybe $450ish? I know I paid $400-$450 for a local NeoCandy 29.

In your opinion, what is the most appropriate and soulful CRT choice for playing the following games:


1. WCW Nitro
2. Bionic Commando
3. Lotus Turbo Challenge
4. Metroid Prime
5. R-Type: Leo
6. Saturday Night Slam Masters
7. Azure Dreams
8. H.E.R.O
9. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
10. Pac and Pal

>>10539992
>9. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall

>>10519968
Recently bought a KV-16WT1. Will the PS3 have a higher frame rate on it than on a 720/1080p TV since it doesn't have to render that high?

>>10540263

>>10540269
>>10540263

>>10540263
it made a difference on some xbox 360 games. try it

480p mode made RDR1 run better for me in RPCS3

>>10540341
Xenia usually runs better for RDR1. Also in RPCS3 you can change render resolution directly too.

>>10540263
Depends on the game, some games actually will render at a lower resolution.

>>10540263
No

>>10540584
In games that render in SD when 480p is selected, it will.

>>10540752
Target framerate will only become more stable, it wont suddenly jump from 20fps to 60fps.

>>10540783
>20 FPS
What games ran at 20 FPS? I think you mean 30 FPS.
Yes, you'll have less framefrops and swings.

>>10534162
It has red and green in it, good enough for me.

>>10540783
Lollipop Chainsaw on PS3 actually does change its framerate cap from 30 to 60 when you output standard definition, but it doesn't maintain it, it just runs a little above 30. A net downgrade in stability but fun to see.

Had to downsample this.

>>10540986
fun soulful game

I'm having trouble finding CRTs near me bros. I have one but it's a 36 inch trinitron and would like something smaller but lately I can't even find a CRT for sale at all locally.

>>10541304
Keep looking, only way. Eventually you have to get lucky, just a matter of time.

>>10540752
I have never seen proof that PS3 games run better at lower resolution
I have seen proof that 360 does though

>>10541541
There's games mentioned here already. RDR1 is known to do that and someone here also mentioned Lollipop Chainsaw.
If you need proof, you can test with RPCS3 and select different screen resolutions (not talking about render resolution option) and look at the FPS counter.

It depends on the game though, most don't.

There's a pc crt I wanna get, but it's too far away for me to pick up :(

>>10541664
I used to pick up CRTs with public transport, trains and busses, fun.

>>10541694
I'd have to change trains at a couple of busy stations, both of which have a lot of stairs

>>10539992
1. an aging wood console television via RF in the living room with your bros
2. a small 13" or even black and white TV in your bedroom via RF
3. your friend's 19" RF early 90s CRT in his bedroom
4. a nice late 90s or early 2000s 19" crt via composite
5. Nanao MS-25F in an Irem Madonna cabinet
6. Two Big Blue Dynamo cabs linked together with Wells Gardner K7000s
7. Emerson 19" wal-mart TV via RF
8. Zenith 19" color TV via VHF screw terminals and TV/GAME switch
9. Early 2000s HP 1280x1024 PC monitor
10. Electrohome 19" RGB

>>10541706
>9. Early 2000s HP 1280x1024 PC monitor
For fucking Daggerfall???

>>10541714
Yes, because you're playing it on you're mom's HP Pavilion in 2001.

>>10541718
I would have already played Morrowind on that.

>>10540263
I actually played ps3 on this back when it was new then got a small bravia to replace it, still have the tv but find no use for it now that I don't watch on air telly. It really depends on if the game renders differently when it outputs at 576i, most don't, I hope you got it locally and didn't pay the silly money like £100+ people want for them cause its not actually that great a telly outside of the cool factor of being the smallest widescreen sony sold.

>>10540856
Is that eva 01?

Is there a service worth trusting for buying 'replacement remotes' for old TV's?
One of mine is a 14 inch Zenith VCR combo that's not responding to my RCA remotes, advice online indicates the original may work for units like these and it might not be the IR. I'm not competent enough to go and replace it anyway.
Merry christmas.

>>10544205
Undead AND a zombie, wew

Did CRT televisions commonly have threaded holes on the bottom that could be used to mount them securely in place? I recall seeing some in the past but not sure if those were only on CRT monitors. Do pro spec video monitors usually have them?

>>10544301
Pro monitors usually have holes on the bottom for rubber feet to be attached. They also have holes on the side for mounting to a rack. Pic related is where the holes are located on a PVM-20L5.

Not vidya, but are there any products that would let me play 4:3 shows from an sd card?

>>10544515
Yes, lots of them. Mini PCs, consoles, blu ray players...

>10520238
I've owned a Wega, Toshiba AF, and various sets in-between - and they come nowhere close to the picture quality of my current PVM. Once you see a PVM in person, you will be spoiled.

The funny thing though, I had this bottom-of-the-barrel shadowmask Viewsonic VGA monitor, and when properly calibrated; it MATCHED the PVM look when compared 1:1. I don't mean "close enough"; I mean I used a colorimeter to set the gamma and whitepoint to the exact same points, and they were IDENTICAL. So if you're looking for the PVM look for cheap, don't look into junk 15khz sets is all I can say.

>>10544845
Depends what you're looking for

If you own a PVM, and don't have a colorimeter, you are a moron. It's like buying a vintage 60s Telecaster, and never tuning it.

>>10523073
Don't do this. CRT blacks should be set with gamma in mind, not the black detail.

>>10523598
Impossible to tell from a screenshot. But I think there's a bit too much blue in the white level.

>>10523598
The CPS2 color bars are useless. Use a better pattern.

>>10545535
those bars are for gamma
good for peak colour separation fine tuning

>>10545617
Yes, but they are not accurate.
If you calibrate to them you'll get an inaccurate image when you go to play the game.

>>10545639
so what's the correct way?

>>10544845
you fucking idiot

>>10520238
Nice pic, how do you do to take out the GUI?

Ran into something seller called a security monitor. Could I connect this shit to my pc?

>>10547042
Y/C is S-video.
You need a converter box.

>>10520238
>use composite as devs intended.
>for a CPS2 game which was intended to be displayed in RGB on a 600 TVL arcade monitor
k

>>10547042
could be pretty good but also really awful. there's a lot of security monitors not worth taking. if you can't check the video at least use a flashlight on the glass to check burn in

>>10544856
I'm partially colorblind anyway, so I don't care.

>>10545741
i can feel the seethe in this post

>>10520238
>arcade game
>composite as devs intended
lol

>>10547969
you are exactly right and thats why you need to keep your mouth shut let pvmtards buy pvms.
Pvms are taking all of the scalping heat and leaving the actual good crts cheap

>>10547052
>>10547971
That's the Saturn port, which uses dithering.
I bet you felt so smart making these replies, and yet...

>>10549309
Nah ur dumb and wrong. The sprites and backgrounds are exactly the same as the arcade. Whatever dithering you're referring to isn't enough to justify composite.

Non-blurred dithering via RGB is where it's at, unironically.

>>10549335
Not my fault you never played the Saturn port.
however, I'll say, even though I'm using composite, these Trinitron consumer CRTs still look too clean that almost looks like RGB

>>10549381
>Not my fault you never played the Saturn port.
You have not explained why you think whatever tiny new dithering was added makes any difference when the sprites and backgrounds make up 99% of the graphics.

>>10549385
Because the internal Capcom team who worked on these ports had into account that people were going to be playing them on consumer CRTs with composite, and there are certain dithering effects used, for example Hsien-ko's sister veil, or the health bars.

Why do people try so hard to justify using a shitty signal when there are better alternatives available?

I only use the best video signal available for my region (NTSC) when the console was still being sold. So no PS1 RGB for me, only S-video.

When I am making a LUT for use with my wide gamut LCD monitor should I be using Rec 709 or sRGB for playing /vr/ era games?

>>10549427
>Hsien-ko's sister veil, or the health bars.
Minor differences not worth sacrificing RGB for.

>>10549624
That's stupid.

Someone should make a good rear projection CRT shader.

>>10549687
I'd say, if you own the actual CPSII unit, play on RGB, if you play on Saturn, use composoul.

>>10530334
>apologizes for not only having incredible taste in displays but also anime

>>10549705
Here is my attempt using a combination of reshade and retroarch shaders.
I tried not to go overboard with it.
There is only a hint of vignetting and chromatic aberration. The convergence is only off slightly.
I tried to make it seem like what the monitor would look like when it was new.
But it's been ages since I saw one in action.

Do you prefer certain monitor/TV sizes for certain eras? In my opinion, 3rd gen and prior consoles look weird when output via RGB to a larger display. They look OK on such screens via composite or RF, and also OK via RGB on a sub-20" display, but RGB+29" just looks weird.

>>10530334
>Movers refuse to come to my house anymore after this.
No they don't.

Anyone not really play games with just an emulator & monitor, but when you have a CRT + console with flash cart you play a fuck ton of stuff? I was burning through the N64 library but my parents junked my TV by accident, haven't really played since

>>10550440
It's just the mental separation doing it.

I just took a Matsui TVR190TSIL out of storage to play games and watch tapes on, but the picture isn't centred. I've been looking for a way to bring up a service menu, but the methods I've found online for similar models aren't working.
It's a cheapo brand so I wouldn't be surprised if there is no service menu, but I figured I might as well see if anyone here has any ideas.

how do i hook up a crt with component input to a modern PC? i would be willing to get an old GPU if that makes shit easier. i dont have S-video though.
i tried building the cable in picrel but gave up after multiple failed attempts and my fear of somehow killing my tv, pc or both.
i just want to watch old anime on it, it cant be that hard, i have seen others do it.

>>10552162
>i just want to watch old anime
i use my atari ryzen vcs pc with wangblows 10 to do this
but i use a cheapass hdmi>av adapter
it adds about 4 frames of delay so if you're lying and actually hardcore into shmups you are fucked

it works ok enough to hook the taito mini up and use a rotary control for puchi carat
plays fine
i suck horribly at the game anyways

>>10552250
i tried one of those cheap adapters and they are cheap for a reason. the image quality is completely unusable. just makes no sense.
i do have a crt monitor but i would like to stick to my tv because i dont have the space on my desk for tv + monitor.
didnt mention it before but the tv is a pvm 14m2e.

>>10524208
>porco rosso
based

>>10552263
>unusable
anon i thought you were going to use it to passively watch cartoons
even with subtitles on everything was fine although there was a bit of underscan\overscan\crop issues

>>10552275
its been a while since i last tried it, i think i threw away that old converter. but i remember it being complete garbage. it basically looked like when you try and hook up a NES to a modern LCD with the same kind of converter.
sure, if you have no standards its fine but anyone with two eyes in their head would puke at the sight of such poor image quality.

>>10552285
reroll and get a decent hdmi>av
there is a wizard\autismo that lurks these threads that can explain how to configure your graphics card to output 480p at 60hz

you get what you pay for but for ghibli movies on a small 12" crt its good enough for me
i use my second pc as a background noise 90s tv episodes on shuffle kinda deal

>>10552162
just buy a hdmi to component box from amazon. Sure it'll be 480i, and have some input lag, but for just watching anime it's fine.

>>10552641
oops wrong image

Post yfw still havent managed to get a 21" CRT Monitor

>>10552665
same.
I mean I have a couple but I really want to get a few more 5402s cause i love the case design
Sucks not being able to get another one for months at this point