/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10517195
>posting geneshart trash
Castlevania ended with CV3

>>10517218
I just like the art for the bloodlines cover. What do you think makes Castlevania 3 the best one?

>>10517224
i like vampire boobies too.

>>10517195
Rondo

>>10517218
Bloodlines, Rondo, and Chronicles are all leaps and bounds above any of the NES or SNES games.

>>10517195
>objectively

It's easier to single out the Bad ones: haunted castle, all the western-developed ports for microcomputers...
The console Castlevanias are all pretty good and there's no way to "objectively" select a Best one, it's subjective.
My favorites are still the Simon games: CV1, IV and X68k

>>10517597
X68k is excellent, Cv1 is good and SCIV is just okay
Personally I have a soft spot for Christopher's games: Belmont's Revenge is extremely creative and takes a lot of cues from Mega Man, while ReBirth is full of superb, intricately packed room layouts (but yeah, anyway it's not retro)
Unfortunately The Adventure being unfun kusoge means that secondaries often dismiss the other two games, even though they're vastly superior

>>10517195
Bloodlines. in five years Castlevania The Adventure ReBirth will take its rightful crown.

Super. Great level variety and got rid of the faggy sub weapon importance. With Bloodllines you have to play at the highest difficulty to get the most out of it.

>>10517195
Not sure, I find them all hard asf. I like the soundtrack of CV3 though.

>>10517195
Bloodstained. Because exploration is finally fun and rewarding.

Lament of Innocence

It's all the fun of the 2D Castlevanias but with 3D combat and way more complex combos.

>>10517195
CV1 is the purest and least flawed.
CV3 is the most ambitious and impressive.
CV4 has the strongest audio/visual presentation.
Rondo is the best balanced, with regards to its controls and difficulty.
Bloodlines has the best music.
Dracula X is the one I pick up and replay the most.

SOTN. got my young gay ass playing it. rpg mechanics, sexy dhampir hero, giant maps and secrets, awesome weapons, fun gameplay, great music. acted as a bridge to the more classic games for me

>>10517974
>a game that requires you to use different arcing projectiles? this is faggy...for some reason.

>>10517218
Factually wrong. There are many more castlevania games! I like them!

>>10518320
You should try Lament of Innocence if you haven't yet, it takes cues from SotN but is 3D.

>cv1
a true classic but obviously somewhat primitive as a 1986 first attempt
>cv3
cv1 taken to its full potential but undermined by difficulty issues(famicom too easy, american haphazard difficulty spikes)
>IV
snes showcase with a really cool whipping system. too easy, too few enemies that don't get negated by OP whip spam
>bloodlines
arcade take on the castlevania formula with a good balance of tension and not being unreasonably difficult to make it to the credits. undermined by samey location and enemy design. upside down reverse section in last level is horseshit.
>rondo
classicvania at its apex. incredible production value. undermined by limp level design, overpowered item crushes, and a halfbaked multipath progression system. overly floaty jump sacrifices snappy rhythm of the series for more platforming potential.
>dracula x
janky rondo knockoff with ill suited washed out background art but manages to be pretty good in spite of it

It's hard to pick out one, they're all great but each has an achilles heel. I suppose 1 is probably the most well rounded.

>>10518320
>got my young gay ass playing it
Genuine question, are you saying Castlevania wasn't supposed to appeal to gays, or just that your personal preference weren't for these types of games due to being gay? Or are you just using the term humorously? I wouldn't think twice about this type of post ordinarily, but your wording seemed oddly specific, so it made me curious.

>>10517195
It's a bit difficult, but
>It used to be
CV1 > CV3 > CV2
>16 bits was
Rondo > Bloodlines > Dracula X > Sharp > CV4
>32 bits was
SOTN > Aria > Circle > Harmony

SOTN is the best one, followed by Rondo and CV1. CV1 was a matter of preference, objectively CV3 is the best 8bit vania

>>10517195
>objectively
4

Better music, controls, mechanics and polishing than 3 and not lazy bargain bin shit and anime homo protags like what came after

>everybody is only talking about the retro 2D games
what about the retro 3D ones?

>>10518686
>what about the retro 3D ones?
There is a thread about those like once or twice a month. The PS2 ones are trashy hack and slays. The N64 one actually kinda feels like a 3D Castlevania but it's too short and easy

>>10517238
>>10517591
>MUH RONDO
You people really need to actually play this mediocre game someday

>>10518686
I love the N64 games, they're just a bit too easy

Curse of Darkness was good as well, didn't play the other one on PS2 yet

>>10517195
The music is definitely a strong point.

>>10518704
Lament of Innocence is great, it feels just like the sidescrollers but in full 3D with better combat.

>>10518706
>>10518704
So brown

>>10518361
>upside down reverse section in last level is horseshit.
I really really like that section of the game and find it fun. Makes it feel like reality is breaking inside the mansion. What's horseshit is the boss gauntlet. Feels like cheap padding. Make it just Death, the Medusa bitch, and Dracula.

>>10518704
LoS was alright, kind repetitive compared to CoD.

>>10517195
Aria of Sorrow. Best gameplay, best castle, most replayability. Longest of them all to 100%. Just perfect all around

>>10517231
Read as Vampire Killer: Great Dracula Wars

>>10517195
This is okay but it's not a Castlevania
>shitty westernfag gore
>unfitting settings like Greek mythology
>full on caveman protag
4 = Rondo > 3 > rest
>>10518660
SotN isn't a CV

>>10520427
>>shitty westernfag gore
Really showing your zoomer here. Japanese media in these days was renowned for gore. If you don't know, don't speak. Also, fag for not liking gore.
>>unfitting settings like Greek mythology
Never understood this complaint and it always seemed like cope. Castlevania has never, ever been a true horror game. It has always been a mixture of horror tropes and dark fantasy adventure, with a distinctly European gothic flare. You're complaining about Greek settings in a series that has Medusa as a common enemy, think about that.

>>10517597
What was wrong with Haunted Castle?

>>10519315
It is, how you say, "le no"

>>10518706

I really liked the Castlevania N64 games. No they weren't perfect. Interesting first takes on a 3D Castlevania. I always wanted to see the series go more into this direction. Plus, that Castlevania 64 intro!:
https://youtu.be/kekitaCO6Wk

>>10519203
I was ok with the mirror trick section until it reversed the controls, just doesn't sit right using such a cheap gimmick in a limited continue game.

What do we think of dreamcastvania?

Objectively it's 3.
Subjectively it's Dracula X (SNES)

>>10517195
All the 4th gen ones have something that makes them special
And 3rd gen ones are slightly behind in my opinion
I personally like Rondo the most but the other 3 are great in their own ways

>>10522035
I like akumajou densetsu best. I've beaten American 3, and still love it, but the difficulty pushes it slightly over to frustrating. Japanese has better balance

>>10518697
no you

>Verification not required.

>>10522029
Would've been cool to see another attempt at the 64 style of gameplay, glad the prototype got leaked and archived so we could get at least a glimpse at what could've been. Now I'm interested to see what the cancelled 32X one might've been like.

>>10517591
Chronicles was an underrated game for so long people overcorrected and now they overrate it. It's good but we have people claiming it's the best classicvania now which is just absurd. It's not

>>10524638
The Chronicles port is broken in many ways, the X68k original is what people are actually praising

>>10518225
Which one, dumbass? There's four games in that series, soon four.

>>10522029
>unfinished westoid crap
Go play CV: cruse of darkness

>>10523506
It should get deleted and restart on modern console.

>>10526185
>not interesting
LoS >>> Netflixvania

>>10518361
>All these shit takes in one post

>>10522029
Looks like shit

>>10518361
good design takes. its overwhelmingly clear that 1 is the clear vision of what the series could be. a monster movie showpiece built around intentional movement and strict action. i dont think cv1 is primitive. the other ones take away from its luster and sturdy design. what are your thoughts on the sharp x68000 game?

It's a matter of individual objective taste.

>>10517195

Rondo = 3 > 4 > Bloodlines = 1

I still really enjoy all of Classicvania, but I always just really enjoyed the differing paths in 3 and Rondo, and especially the different playthrough possibilities in 3.

But if we’re going by soundtracks

4 > Rondo = 1 = Bloodlines = 3 >>>>>>>> Every other game ever made

Rondo.

>>10517195
Castelvania 3

>>10517195
>this disgusting character art
>inconsistent Castlevania 4 whip controls that's randomly missing half the directions depending on what you do
4 was the last good game in this series. Nothing but trash for mongoloids since then

>>10527136
>Rondo
Do you hate level design or something? Rondo is trash developed by five hobos who never made anything good before or after

>>10527075
my only thought on the x68k one is that simon has an oddly feminine gait.

>>10527075
>a monster movie showpiece
this is always what disappointed me about the latter entries too, the move towards more subdued dark fantasy. would have loved to have gotten another entry that focused specifically on expanding that universal movie monster aspect of 1.

>>10528972
>>inconsistent Castlevania 4 whip controls that's randomly missing half the directions depending on what you do
That's on purpose dumbass. 4 trivializes weapon selection because the whip is easy mode, Bloodlines goes back to a more classic style so that weapons have purpose again, while still giving the whip a little more utility.

You're not smart.

>iv vs bloodlines shitposting
Reminder that the Castlevania IV team advised the Bloodlines team.
That makes Bloodlines, fitting to its name, the last Castlevania game to have any sort of connection with the original Akamatsu team (as IV team were advised by Akamatsu as well)

>>10529084
It's one Nintendo loyalist dude samefagging and not responding when called out with logical retorts to his idiotic statements.

>>10529084
i really want to know what happened to akamatsu. what is he doing now? does he care that the little thing he made in 1986 ended up being so big?

>>10529089
I'm calling out both console warriors, really.

>>10529094
I don't know, maybe he is Dracula and will return in 100 years

>>10529094
theres the very real possibility that he's passed away.

>>10529096
Having preferences is one thing, but when people place agendas above objectivity that is when you know you have a fool/corporate loyalist on your hands.

>Am I a Castlevania fan? YEAH, wait, no, I mean only when it's on Nintendo

>>10529084
>the Castlevania IV team advised the Bloodlines team.
That makes a lot of sense, I had the feeling that Bloodlines might've used IV as a foundation. Bloodlines feels like such a direct improvement over IV, you can tell exactly what the Bloodlines team liked about it and what needed to be fixed.
Bloodlines' control schemes for John and Eric are such an obvious example of taking IV's ideas and refining them.

>>10530703
Dunno if I would say it "fixed" anything, they're still different games. I never liked the feel of the whip on Bloodlines much.
I always wished Eric could attack on all directions while moving.

>>10530703
>>10531686
I honestly like both. The whip feels better in IV but the whip also becomes pretty much your most valuable asset. Whip is less powerful in Bloodlines, but it gives other weapons more utility.