/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10485082
Well you are NOT allowed to like him.

>>10485082
>sameface
see fatal fury special for his most grotesque art

>>10485082
I fucking love Mai Shiranui.

>>10485091
/ic/ has a practical excuse to parrot the same reductive nonsense year after year because pretending Shinkiro's design choices are not in fact design choices helps them cope with how he generally outclasses even their best-case-scenario expectations for themselves. But what's in it for (you) though, /vr/?

>>10485092
Blue Mary
King
and Vice are best SNK girls

>>10485107
For me Mai is the supreme girl not just of SNK but of all video games. My top SNK girls goes
>Mai
>power gap
>Shermie
>Vice

For me, it's Yuri

>>10485082
Shinkiro is my GOAT but if I'm being entirely honest I think his best work came after Capcom hired him. His move to digital was flawless, unlike Bengus who basically regressed by a factor of ten during his years away from the company. Prime Bengus is some good shit though.

>>10485324
Yeah, the early 2000s stuff may be my favorite Shinkiro as well, though I have a soft spot for his earlier traditional media stuff.

His modern stuff does nothing for me though, something is just missing.

One of these days I'll figure out how this motherfucker does it. I love his work so much.

>>10485340
I think Marvel vs Capcom 3 is peak Shinkiro but that's not /vr/.

>>10485084
Did he rape a kid?
>>10485092
Isn't Mai 4'11?

>>10485312
This is taste.

>>10485357
Except for rare instances in which he bashes detail and textures in, I believe the secret to how he does it involves simply fucking doing it.

Here's a rare glimpse at his process, a training demo for Capcom art dept. newbies (not retro though).

The diminished role of 2D artwork in vidya makes me sad. Something was lost.

>>10485082
For me it's whoever made the art for Last Blade 2. It was the definitive peak of SNK.

>>10485380
His art overstated it's welcome by MGS3.

>>10485380
Yoji Shinkawa is god. Love that he's still collaborating with la creatividad

>>10485396
Wrong.

>>10485380
Yoji's art was wasted on a hack like Hideo Kojima and the nonsensical MGS franchise. His designs would've been put to better use at old Capcom, Sega, or even Platinum Games.

>>10485426
Their art would be a good for final fantasy as well imo. It isnt otherworldy like amano's godtier art, but I can see it on a final fantasy cover.

Had to save some of the top tier art it. Will be watching. Post some more, this shit is so cash.

>>10485592
*itt
Sorry for phonefagging I'm at work. Gib more shinkiro art for me to stare at to pass the time please.

>>10485082
yeah

>>10486013
>why the fuck is this hoagie just lettuce

>>10485380
>The diminished role of 2D artwork in vidya makes me sad. Something was lost.
Agreed, that goes for animation aswell, nowadays it's all 3D. I miss 2D traditional stuff, even when we get 2D now it's all digital. It's just, well, something gets lost along the way.

>>10485380
>play modern Resident Evil game, has unlockable art in a gallery
>it's almost all photobash stuff
photobashing is fine for internal use at companies but i always hate seeing it in games as unlockable artwork, or in a games artbook

>Kinu Nishimura
>Bengus
>AKIMAN
>Edayan
>Ikeno
>early Capcom Shinkiro
90's Capcom is the most absolute soulful period of art in gaming. how did they do it? what did they have in the water? current Capcom has some cool artists too (i think nearly all of the above still work there in some capacity?) like Chisato Mita, but at that period of time, all in that one company, it was something else. i have a good amount of videogame/retro/anime artbooks, but pic related is probably my favorite one of all, just pure peak Capcom

>>10486771
>Bengus
Shame what happened to him

>>10486771
I don't think any other company had an internal art department on the level of Capcom's until the mid to late 90s; if you saw a really cool illustration anywhere else it was almost always some external commission.

KN was always my favorite, though Bengus has apparently a huge fan following.

Blessed thread.

Xoomer here, have been buying poster and art books since 2000. Decide to grab thr most iconic painters of that time:

- SSF2T (Daigo Ikeno).
- Doom 1 (Don Ivan Punchatz).
- Alien vs Predator (Bengus).
- AOF2 (Shinkiro).
- Chrono Trigger (Toriyama).
- Golden Axe 2 (Boris Vallejo).
- Another World (Éric Chahi).

This don't know the aurhor of picrel. Anyone?

>>10486789
Jesus fuck,,,,

>>10486789
i at least gave him the benefit of the doubt that he had to rush out literally hundreds of these illustrations for all the SFV character story modes, as this was my first time seeing modern Bengus art. however seeing his proper polished art now, it's really not all that different... i think its mostly how he just draws girls now that disappoints me. the way he draws dudes is still largely the same, his girls used to be a bit chunkier in ways that looked more like girls in fighting games probably should, but now he draws them all borderline generic anime moe.
also not a fan of his coloring now, it looks like hes using shit ton of blending effects (multiply, add, screen, etc) to color instead of just manually picking good colors

>>10486789
I mean, there's nothing there (or missing) that he didn't intended imo. It's just a more simple and exaggerated style than his 90s stuff.

Though I haven't played the newer games so I'm judging by this mostly; any other example you'd call "worse"?

>>10485324
>Bengus who basically regressed by a factor of ten during his years away from the company.
Bengus style regressed long before he left Cpacom, the signs of what he would become were already there.

>>10486915
Bengus' work during the Street Fighter Alpha/Darkstalkers/early X-men/Marvel crossover games era to me was legendary, just "the" look that these games had. i feel like the in-game sprites that all those games had were modelled closely after Bengus' style/proportions more so than anyone elses style, so i almost thought of his art as being the true, representative look for those games.
Nishimura is still so great though, unlike Bengus' decline. her new stuff is still so appealing to me as her old stuff was. she's probably fared the best of any of the old school Capcom artists.
Shinkiro still does what he does best, but he's went through certain periods where he tried out other things with his art in the past that i liked better. i really like his KOF 99/2000 stuff where the creases on all the clothes for the characters he drew had this distinct cool look to them, and his art for Capcom Fighting Evolution might be one of the only redeeming things about that game, this limited cel-shaded look was really cool

>>10487084
>Darkstalkers
Yes, so good.

>>10487072
>regressed
Ah yes the anthem of the entitled wannabe prosumer lol "It's not that I don't get what he's doing, he's just doing it worse"

>>10487098
Having an opinion isnt the same thing as being entitled you doughnut.

Anyone have any cool famicom stuff? That era of famicom art is so colorful and interesting to me, also just any website recommendations for jap 8 and 16 bit browsing would be awesome instead of having to photo dump if you know of them.

>Literally just tracing
>Chun-li with no thighs
Pathetic

>>10487108
But if the opinionated understand what an opinion is, why not phrase and use it AS an opinion? Nobody said "I don't like Bengus' newer work", but rather what comes down to "Bengus' newer work is worse".

To be fair, that may have not been entitlement; simply self-consciousness about the personal component of an opinion vs the safety of an implied universal fact.

Anyway: BOOOOBA etc.

>>10487137
Shut the fuck up you pseud, Bengus got objectively worse.

>>10486915
>Kinu Nishimura
A woman had no business being better at drawing hot ladies than most her male coworkers

>>10487098
>"It's not that I don't get what he's doing, he's just doing it worse"
i think on a most basic level, everyone can understand the way his style has changed is to be a more economic, looser approach to what he was doing before. some people might just view that as "because he wanted to pivot his art in that direction if he thinks it looks more stylish", and some will view it as "he got lazier/shittier"

>>10487137
i agree with you in that its a pet peeve of mine when niggers say "this is shit" as if its fact, instead of just their opinion. it bothers me less so on this site because i come to expect it. but in that anons defense, while it's obviously not an empirical universal fact, in most conversations i've seen here or other websites, when the topic of Bengus' art comes up, i've seen the sentiment that his old art is simply better quite a lot. the idea that he got "worse" or "regressed" isn't an entirely uncommon one. i for one don't think his current art is "bad", but i definitely still prefer his old stuff. this was me >>10487054
when i saw his art in the SFV stories, i thought they looked the way they did because he was rushed to make hundreds of them in a relatively short period of time, but i then learned that was kind of just a, still rushed, version of what his style had changed into, and it wasn't as appealing to me anymore

>>10487165
Shhh it's ok, just "regress" back into your safe place.

>>10487180
Well put. That image represents exactly what I mean with "entitlement" though. Whatever these artists are doing, they're doing it because they want to, and it's simply obtuse to believe they're in possession of less insight on what motivates the shift and of their craft in general than the average fuckhead criticizing them. That said, there IS a difference between diagnosing a random young artist like that with "regression" from an entirely individual consumer perspective, and doing the same with motherfucking Bengus.

>>10485082
When Shinkiro draws Capcom characters they always look 'off' for some reason

Nishimura was always my favorite. No matter the tone or mood of the drawing she executes it perfectly.

>>10487236
Forgot an example but this one is supremely cozy

SF will always be king because of the standout character design and high levels of sexo women

>>10487237
Imagine the smell

>>10487236
Her girls are kinda samey but the perfect blend of hot and adorable makes up for it.

>>10487237
>You will never spend a frosty winter afternoon with Ibuki getting tipsy and holding hands under the kotatsu

>>10487267
the real prize of the nex gen sf women is makoto

>>10487243
>standout character design
Lel, SF character design is all over the place

>>10487654
compared to Mortal kombat, where everybody is a UFC fighter in a generic outfit, occasionally with a hat

>>10487654
That is kind of the trademark of Street Fighter though, and credit where its due their fighters looked very different to punctuate how they played very different, even if you don't find a lot of them all that appealing they do accomplish their role.

>>10487673
This is unfair too, MK's proportions are all similar because.....they were real people, everyone has a similar athletic build because they were real martial artists digitized, not exaggerated cartoon drawings. As for their costumes I don't think they are all that generic, it's very inspired by Hong Kong cinema so in a way it is but they still have a bit of flair, and if we're talking "generic" SF has plenty of generic designs too like "karate guy" "sumo" "army man"etc, I don't see how MK is more generic

>>10487953
The designs never got better

>>10487968
>The designs never got better
Idk which series you're talking about, but I agree with either.

Street Fighter design got horrible by III, with only Juri being really good to this day and C. Viper being ok, and both of them do really kind of smell like "we want to make SNK girls too" and don't fit in with SF but it's fine by me, cause hot.

MK's later characters rarely ever would have the same appeal as the old ones mainly because they are mostly lamer replacements of the older ones. Occasionally something cool like Nitara is there, but mostly lame.

>>10486771
all Marvel's Capcom art is amazing from punisher to x-men to vs titles.

>>10485082
there is something uncanny valley about his style. the facial features just seem off in some way. also half the guys look like geese.

>>10486771
I think it all stems up to AKIMAN, he either mentored or scouted all the rest IIRC.

>>10488089
>uncanny valley
I'm sure somebody somewhere in some context is still dropping that concept with anything close to actual rigor and meaning, but for all of us common folk it's just too tempting to use it to vaguely authorize what a simple "I don't like this" would accomplish.

>>10488338
i figured it out. it looks like above average quality graffiti on some third world food truck.

>>10488409
Nah bro you "figured it out" last time that exact comment was posted verbatim lmao
To be fair at least it's less ironic that the sameface approach.

I kinda love the simplified Power Stone illustration style. Anybody knows which Capcom artists did it?

>>10488032
As a giant 90s Marvel fan growing up, I never liked Bengus' style being applied to Marvel.

It works with anime inspired things like Darkstalkers and Street Fighter (the best they ever looked by far), but it has this sort of soft and pretty quality to it that just never meshed well with me for Marvel, there is something decidedly Japanese about it that doesn't do justice to the comics I was reading

Wish some jap companies would hire up some new 2D art talent like the good ol days.

>>10486924
I love this

>>10485092
I really love the official art of Mai (and other cast of KoF and FF) in their standard street clothes and her hanging out with the Bogards and Joe.

>>10485312
I love her retarded sound effects and lines in Maximum Impact.

>YEY YURI WINS

>>10488440
Power Stone is all Bengus

>>10488338
I like it, alot. These pictures are framed up like action movie posters from the 70s and 80s, but better.

>>10487206
You're stupid as fuck but you think you're smart

any fire emblem fans?

Daisuke's GG art (especially XX-Overture era) is fucking godtier. Absolutely love his posing and the feel of his drawings. Sure there might be some pictures where his stuff can look odd, but even then, the "feel" is still really good.
His never stuff is of course really good. Loved his Strive release date Sol art, and seeing his stuff even now is always a treat.

>>10490982
Hell yeah. There was something special with Mayumi Hirota's FE5 art that I just really adore. her character art for Thracia is probably my favorite of the series, and I like the coloring work. RIP.
I love other FE artists as well. Especially Senri Kita's and Wada Sachiko which I could talk for hours too. Rika Suzuki as well.

They're probably not retro by definition. But Daisuke Izuka's FE12 is so good too (he's really good with armor), and Hidari's art was love at first sight. some of the most soulful I've seen for a newer FE release.

>>10491872
I agree, it's a shame he became such a sellout

>>10485082
>>10485092
>>10485312
>>10485340
yes i riked Yuri and Friends doujins.

>>10485082
>>10492263
forgot pic

shinkiro is great too

>>10489257
Can't argue with the objectivity that your fuck-proof existence must grant on the matter lol

it's not exactly good but it makes me feel nostalgic

>>10485082
I love late 90's art where Sonic looks kind of like a mix between his Genesis and Adventure designs.

>>10489024
Colorful

>>10494956
It's very expressive that's for sure.

>>10487176
>Lactation writtwn in the sky

>>10496741
Damnit, now I can't unsee it.

>>10494956
>>10496571
why couldn't they have gone for this design, /vr/os?

Whoever did the cover art for PSO is Picasso.

>>10498859
The best

>>10486760
Nothing positive or good has ever come from the use of photobashing.

>>10487072
Bengus art suffered a lot when going to all digital, not all traditional artists manage to adapt to digital. He should draw traditional, scan it, then color it digitally, no glows or overlay textures.

His Marvel vs Capcom 2 was the best, I lost the guide with his art, I think my brother stole it.

>>10500209
Indeed, maybe a design that "mixes" both main Sonic designs would end this autism about which Sonic is better or whatever, and the fanbase would be more cohesive...

>>10492274
Saigado was seriously the most based doujin author ever. Shame his art got a bit more boring and lazy over the years.

>>10492261
>sellout
You have no idea what this means lmao

>>10485426
Cope.

>>10501109
Bridget is a boy

>>10501278
That had nothing to do with selling out, he was always a bad writer. Bridget's new plotline is that he's trans because the plotline in XX was also about his gender, and Ishiwatari is a hack who couldn't write his way out of a wet paper bag.

>>10494956
>>10498859
Honestly I feel like the original Dreamcast SA1 model (left) has proportions pretty similar to this

>>10501278
>>10501387
Bridget was always a boy who's owner raised them as a girl, like Sleep Away Camp.

Ys has some cool art but this is the only one I have rn

>>10501395
Indeed, it's my favorite 3D model Sonic's ever had and probably one of my favorite designs, I love the classic proportions with the green eyes, kind of like Sonic Pocket Adventure that came out at around the same time.

Bengus with the acrylics.

Bengus with the digital.

>>10485082
Always loved the Tales artist Mutsumi Inomata

>>10485379
Underrated post here.
Thanks for sharing.

>>10502635
ew

>>10505543
Nice

>>10502635
>>10500323
>>10500305
I don't understand that notion, how does going digital make a difference in drawing? Or is it that they use a digital pen or something?

>>10505543
This stuff is absolutely gorgeous.

>>10507382
When drawing digitally you have to be zoomed in, it's hard to get the full picture, also there's lag and latency, it's completely different.
He wouldn't even need a scanner, a phone can take good enough photos for the pencil line art provided it's squared and not tilted.

>>10485392
>For me it's whoever made the art for Last Blade 2
Tonko. Great artist too, she also did the artworks for MOTW.

no one can convince me that capcom didn't peak in the mid to late 90's.

>>10507765
I'd include through pretty much where this board cuts off in that but yeah. They put out good games even in their worst years and have put said worst years behind them but that post-SF2 Boom pre-HD timeframe had them truly GOATed.

>>10485082
Nigga loves George Clooney.

>>10507927
>>10507765
I wanna say 94-2001 was Capcom's peak.

>>10507927
Kek SD Ken tweaking Zangief's nipple

I love diorama, does that count?

>>10509105

>>10509048
Yes, now keep posting. I love this stuff.

>>10509191
Noriyoshi Ohrai draws some really excelent stufff

>>10508531
>dhalsim's hand
kek
absolutely devilish

>>10507628
>>10507382
digital is easier to archive too. but mostly it's much easier to colour stuff and edit any errors in digital. and layers in Photoshop or whatever makes it easy to add clothing patterns, shading, and light filters in any pic.

>>10510595
MvC2 lost so much SOVL going to generic, un-themed 3D backgrounds.

>>10507382
It's a completely different set of skills and tools.

>>10511760
Glad somebody else agrees. MvC2 is a great game and some of the new character sprites are great but the game is exceedingly rushed and you can really feel it in the presentation. It barely feels like a celebration of Marvel & Capcom when MvC1 was bursting with love for both companies. The Bengus art is the only soulful thing about it.

>>10511829
>agrees
Did literally anybody like the backgrounds, muzak and general "story" of mvsc2, even then? Even the new "original" characters, as cool as the designs were, were kinda pointless since the appeal of the games was in the crossover factor with known faces. The staff and resources required to create 3 original characters and an original boss could have been invested in more playable marvel/capcom characters (say keep SonSon but make him THE SonSon, and add maybe a fully playable Sir Arthur or something, plus some other marvel rando and another Marvel-themed boss like Galactus or somebody to keep the pattern going).

Also, controversial take: the Akihiko Yoshida-esque sketchy/hatchy style was b-tier Bengus at best, specially the color.

>>10512760
i did not like the sepia limited coloring of MvC2's artwork either

>>10508502
Imagine the smell

>>10487137
>You're [buzzwords]
>To be fair, my canned insult was misplaced. But I'm going to write this dense post about how you were wrong through a pedantic lens instead of the casual conversation it was in. Just so I can justify deliberately misinterpreting you.
>Look, booba etc. I'm so detached
You have terminal faggot rabies

>>10513717
Better not go into who hates water anon

>>10512760
People to this day talk about how iconic and GOAT MvC2's music is an by extension the stages they play on. The tiny loop for the stage select is one of the entire genre's most memorable compositions. I agree that it's pretty overhyped despite liking the OST a lot, I think they only did it because character themes would've been too much time/work. The "story" is literally just that the entire cast showed up on Ruby's boat and she's after Abyss IIRC; I do wish Ruby Heart became the mascot of Vs Capcom and showed up in TvC/Marvel 3/etc.

>>10510392
Dracula looks really doapy, like grrrr, gimme your blood

>>10514538

>>10508502
Kind was/is excellent

>>10514378
Mary from Cyberbots is an underrated and sexo design.

>>10514862
Why does everybody look like George Clooney?

>>10514747
I think the illustrations for the retooled version of Rondo for the SNES are the perfect balance between the too macho and too gay visual approaches of the earlier and following Castlevanias respectively. Akihiro Yamada is underrated.

>>10514378
I liked Ruby it's a shame she was dropped granted with a roster the sheer size of MVC|Xmen|SF|Tatsunoko it's to be expected but still a shame.

>>10518227
Hara could've totally done a Slam Masters Manga tie in.

>>10516107
they don't. your brain is fried on heroine.

>>10518227
super gae.
>>10518115
gross.

>>10518115
I've only played half a Bungie game my whole life but this is a pretty cool image.

>>10485082
did he design iori? because that hair will always be some shit

>>10514378
Kino

Any love for Ayami Kojima? Her late 90's output is unmatched.

I'm also an apologist of her Simon Belmont design (the body of a hunk with the face of a twink).

>>10522378

>>10522378
>>10522381
I wish we could make use of the high resolutions we have in today's screens and get a new title to make her art finally pop through sprites while we play... but Konami sucks, so Castlevania is dead...

>>10521073
>sluttier chun li with sword
wasted potential. but we did get Soul Caliber girls.

>>10485082
He's one of the few rare jap artists that has a firm understanding of the principles of anatomy while also having a great amount of talent dealing in complex perspectives and aesthetic design (such as costumes and color profiling).

His style is also immediately recognizable.

I loved this era

i found psylocke's bouncing tiddies to be very cool