/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10507968
It's not even good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNYj5_P1y_Q
Looks and plays like shit obvious to everyone with a brain and eyes

>>10507975
>blind playthrough

Cope harder.

>>10507975
>19:00
Really hate the slippery physics to everything Sonic does

>18:00
Why are those springs even there?
>hehe we want to annoy the player and waste his time
???????????

>>10507978
Every game looks like it has flow when you know it inside out. And no game should be garbage on first playthrough

>>10507968
>Still the greatest retro game ever made.
I wouldn't go that far, the competition is just too tough and I don't know if Sonic 3 & Knuckles holds up against other titles that just have more going on, but it's definitely up there and a discussion about the greatest video games of all time, or at least the greatest platformers, should definitely include it as one of it's contenders.

>>10507975
>>10507982
>>10507990
>>10507996
Oh, look, it's the "Sonic was never good" spammers again. If Sonic was just about holding right and winning you'd complain, a lot of you do actually, while others complain that you get hit by things and it doesn't flow incredibly when you play it for the 1st time, pick a narrative and stick to it. Sonic's a SEGA IP, famous for it's arcade direction, you have to grind and work for it.

Sonic fags don't want their games to be hated on all the time but then they make threads like this

>>10507996
>And no game should be garbage on first playthrough

That’s a skill issue. Filtered.

>>10508027
Post a blind Sonic 2 or 3 playthrough where the player isn't constantly stopped by shit in unfun ways

>>10508015
>Sonic fags don't want their games to be hated on all the time but then they make threads like this
We're not all the same person, anon. Also, just because there are some "cocky" OPs from time to time that still doesn't justify the hate Sonic gets compared to other classic franchises, we never see a "Mario was never good" or "Zelda was never good" thread, for example, and on those few times it happens, it's never taken seriously, while it is with Sonic, which is stupid.

I recall when even the Adventure titles, while it was still mixed, were better received than now, and the general opinion was that, while Sonic didn't transition all that well into 3D, the 2D ones were still classics... but then the Adventure stuff started getting panned and now the classics too, I've never seen this happen to any other series the way its happened to Sonic, not even close.

>>10508027
He's 100% right

I think American branch is more to blame for Sega's failure during generations 5 and 6.

>>10508037
If you watch a blind playthrough of any arcade title, or arcade port, from the 80's and 90's, the chances are that whoever's playing willl lose all of their lives, and be forced to restart, very fast, and this will happen over and over for quite some time, now tell me... is that fun? Well, it isn't if you only like winning, which seems to be the case with a lot of you people, but it's not about that.

All video games, good ones at least, make the player struggle and learn over time to get better and better at it, so that our wins can actually be rewarding, that's what arcades were all about.

If you think running into enemies and getting hit sometimes, you know... failing and losing, isn't a crucial part of any video game, then I don't know what to say, you're not arguing in good faith.

It's funny, if Sonic was just a matter of holding right, and there are times it is more like that, it's panned for playing itself, but it's also panned for asking the player to improve and learn aswell. If you don't like Sonic and/or arcade styled video games in general, just say so, no need to sound all "intelectual" and argue about how it's flawed because you suck at it and don't want to learn.

>>10508039
>OPs from time to time that still doesn't justify the hate Sonic gets compared to other classic franchises
It's the cockiness in combination with the autism in further combination with the fact that the games just aren't very good in further combination with the fact that they got the highest scores thrown at them when Sega still had influence

>>10508056
1. These games being "not very good" isn't a fact, it's your opinion, that most people don't share. If you ask most casual video game fans from today, or more dedicated video game fans from the 90's about Sonic, they'll likely tell you that Sonic was great and they love him, most people at least.

2. This idea that Sonic only got high scores due to SEGA influence has no backing, it's common to hear stories from 90's kids about wanting to own a Genesis just for sonic despite being Nintendo kids, just because they played at a friend's place, most people liked playing Sonic and you know it.

3. Rvery fanbase has cocky people that are quite insufferable, a lot of people on /vr/ hate tendies and snoys, why? Because they are also a pain, all big fanbases are bound to have annoying people because if the fanbase is big, even if just 1% of people suck, it's still going to be a lot of people.

4. Yes, a lot of Sonic fans are autistic, it's quite odd that there's such a correlation, but there clearly is, but they can't help if they're autistic and genuinely hating them for it is just mean. Also, a lot of said autism can be funny at times, so why not take it well instead of getting upset?

>>10508074
Nigga no one reads your novels. You're literally proving that post right
>autism

>>10508181
If you don't want to read it, then that's your choice, but I'm sure there are at least a few people that do and that's enough for me. Which post am I proving right exactly? That the Sonic fanbase has a lot of autism? I never denied that, heck, I might really have it, never got it checked, but even if I do have it, I don't feel like that takes away from my arguments whatsoever, anon.

>>10507968
I believe you meant I, Robot (Atari)

>>10508015
It brings me joy to know that Sonic will be talked about on /vr/ and on retrogaming communities as a whole until the day you die and all you'll be able to do about it is seethe impotently like this. Stay seething.

The stand alone games are better than the lock-on combo.

Carnival Night Zone and that stupid barrel really ruins Sonic 3 to me, it's just so stupid. It's no wonder Nintendo ended up beating them after all these years, and I've started to understand just why Sonic was never popular in his home country. It's like they're made to maximize frustration. Other platformers of the time had already moved on from limited continues. The main reason this series did so well in the US is because the US developers managed to be even worse, so SEGA didn't have much competition.

>>10508319
This.

>>10508325
Well, that's certainly an unique take.
Why do you feel this way about it, anon? I do like some standalone Sonic 3 from time to time, but I never see anyone say that it's better than the full thing though, so I'm curious.

>>10507968
BUT THAT IS NOT DUAL ORB 2, THOUGH?????

>>10508437
Austa, meds

>>10507968
>Still the greatest retro game ever made.
It's, unironically speaking, probably not even in the top 300.

>>10508485
t. tendie/"sonic was never good" filtered fag

>>10508485
Post you're top 300 games immediately so we can make fun of your shit tastes

>>10508485
>>10508504

Still waiting faggot

>>10507990
you're supposed to play to get a good time so you get a good score. spring traps = level takes more time = lower score. the problem is theres no leaderboard but everything else is there.

>>10509281
yeah some kind of leaderboard or indicator of how many rings you got out of the maximum would've added a lot to sanic and would've been simple and unobtrusive to add...as far as i can tell.

>>10508383
>Why do you feel this way about it, anon
Lock-on has less content in Launch base zone (including Big arms boss fight) and S&K doesn't have its title screen if locked on.
It's a neat gimmick and it's cool to see the few knux routes on S3 part, but if playing as Sonic, stand alone just has more content

>>10508383
NTA but I'd say the best way to play is finishing Sonic 3 Standalone and the pluging it into Knuckles. Seeing Death Egg crash on S&K title screen after beating S3 is pure kino

>>10508074
>a lot of people on /vr/ hate tendies and snoys, why?
There's no such thing as a 'Nintendo/Sony fan' on /vr/, most people here play everything because they emulate. Or buy all the consoles they want because they can afford them because they are not kids anymore. The only people who shitpost about Nintendo/Sony/Sega/etc are braindead /v/tards who don't even play video games

>>10509379
I see, to be honest one of the main reasons I still like playing Sonic 3 standalone is due to how it's ending is handled, Big Arms is just so perfect for an ending, the OST helps a lot too, it's just epic...

>>10509394
I've never played it this way... sounds interesting! I might try it out eventually, I'm curious about it.

>>10509397
I'm sorry, I should've been more specific, but my point still stands, every major brand, especially a brand people have nostalgia for, has fanboys that piss people off and are a pain to try arguing with.

>>10509438
Yeah and also S3 has the awesome ending theme that then turned into Alone in Moscow

I feel bad for sonic fags, I really do. They lost the console war, the mascot war, and the gameplay war. They wander like lost souls who can't find solace after death. They get hate and scorn by virtually everyone. Once they were considered supremacists against any other videogame, but nowadays they can only provoke laugh. I'm being told that, when nobody is watching, they wear their sonic shirts and pretend it's the 90s again.But after the fantasy is over, they resume their sad lives.

I'm sad things turned out to be this way. But it is what it is. Be patient towards them, they deserve our pity.

>>10509447
Indeed, it's another reason I still play standalone Sonic 3 from time to time, it's just a nice way to end a playing session on, feels cozy and overall it fits Sonic quite perfectly to me, a true classic.

>>10509460
I know this is bait, but on the chance that it isn't, or that it is bait/shitposting, but motivated by at least a few of this anon's real feeling on things... no one really cares that much about 90's console wars anymore, at least not here since most of us are adults now, it doesn't matter what company sold the most units of their product, nor does it matter which franchise gets better reviews, sold more, etc... we're no longer in the 90's where we have to pretend to have the competing console, despite playing it at our friend's place every time we go there and loving it, just because we can't afford both at the same time. If people here are still playing Sonic, it's not because the character won or lost the console/mascot/gameplay war or whatever, it's because it's still fun to play to us.

Well, that's all.
Anyways... cheers, consolewarbait-anon, I hope you have a good day, God bless you.

>>10509460
I don't think about you at all.

It's not even a single game, let alone being "the greatest"

>>10509510
It's a single storyline. Cope. It's a downloadable content before DLCs were a thing.

>>10509460
Yuji Naka just got charged for insider trading too

Sonic hate comes from people like Movie Bob who are still stuck in the console wars.

>>10509527
Pick one
>They are 2 games
>Sega is the first game company to take content from a game to sell it separately

The amiga tard seethes over Sonic superiority.

>>10509510
>>10509572
It's a single video game that was literally split because of a McDonalds toy campaign, and I'm not kidding... but while it's stupid and shady, once you actually play Sonic 3 & Knuckles, which is how Sonic 3 was meant to be... it's still a superb experience, and one of the peaks from the whole platforming genre, only people who are blinded by 90's console wars deny it's quality.

>>10509542
After Balan Wonderworld he deserved to be arrested, this was actually funny, but I hope he pulls through and makes it out of this, maybe he's still got some good video games left in him.

>>10509552
This.

>>10509583
tendies are eternally bitter because sega put them in a fishing minigame in sonic adventure

>>10508356
Other, challenging games did not "move on" from limited continues. Sonic is actually very easy for his time to beat, compared to even some of Nintendo's offerings (Donkey Kong Country 2 and 3's harder levels), but to get better at it, one has to do better: that is what makes Sonic interesting and why they haven't "moved on" from limited continues, because that is what encourages improvement.

>>10510331
Eh, it's just not fun. Having a whole lot of progress invalidated, so you have to give up and leave the game very frustrated. I haven't gotten to the DKC games, but if the game allows you to save, that's already much easier than Sonic. Limited continues make a big difference, the whole game is one big level in this scenario, and will probably take you longer to beat.

>>10510370
NTA but while I get that this is a reason why you might dislike Sonic with this system, which is fair, I don't see it as something that's objectively bad, as it's just a different direction, for people like me that love an arcade style/philosophy of having that grind that brings rewarding feelings from getting further each time and learning until you finally conquer it, Sonic being this was is a huge plus. It's all a matter of preference.

>>10509572
there were actual plans on releasing S3&K as a single cartridge before the company moved into the Saturn era. the McDonalds contract is what made them split the game in half.

>>10509438
Senn is a jogger maggot

>>10509502
Why did you post Classic Bombergirl?

>>10508039
>we never see a "Zelda was never good" thread,
Except for that one eceleb loser on /co/ and /v/ making the same awful sequelitis threads for over a decade.

>>10512097
I've personally never seen one, but then again I never go on /co/ and only use /v/ every once in a while, but I imagine those threads are never as serious, or taken seriously, compared to the "Sonic was never good" ones that at this point have become a staple, which is disappointing.

Definitely one of the best 2D platformers. When comparing genesis and snes libraries Sonic 3 and knuckles is as good as super mario world

I'd definitely call it one of my favorite games pretty much ever. One of the games I've replayed the most at least.

>>10507968
>Still the greatest game ever made.
Fixed

>>10507975
>E-Celeb shit
Kill yourself

>>10508485
Yeah its not top 300 because its top 1 you schizo
In the all time video game list not just retro

3&Kino will never ever be surpassed
Just cope dude

>>10509510
>>10509572
Hi Ted
SA2 sucks btw

>>10508356
>Carnival Night Zone and that stupid barrel really ruins Sonic 3 to me, it's just so stupid.
Holy fucking filtered.
https://youtu.be/yXwbN--6udQ?si=KPWYkbSo0oGNWEs6&t=147

Imagine getting filtered by pure gameplaydesignaudiovisual ludiokino
COULDNT BE ME !!!

>>10509583
I think Sonic 3 is the worst of the main 4 Sonic games. Every stage is rather long and often repeats elements, and each ends with a really easy boss that wastes time more than anything. It's just not as fun to replay as 1 or CD, but it's still a good game, just stretched quite a bit.

>>10512893
The worst part is that the up and down gimmick doesn't even work smoothly. You have to be repeatedly pressing up and down many times before the effect takes place. You would never get this in a Nintendo game.

>>10512907
I actually agree, to me the levels always felt a bit too long compared to Sonic 1 and Sonic 2, where to me it felt perfect, just right in size, while often I'd feel that the levels not only overstayed their welcome in Sonic 3, but also felt a bit repetitive after a while, with me genuinely wondering if I was going around in circles, my 1st playthrough had me almost losing lives due to the time limit...

I get why it's so beloved, and why it's level design is seen as good, also why many consider it to be the best one... but I find Sonic 2 to be better, and Sonic 1's still my favorite due to nostalgia for it.

>>10507968
*blocks your path*

>>10507968
It's my favourite game but trying to impose a best videogame ever for everyone is moronic at least.
Entertainment is subjective.

>>10508037
Sonic 2 is legitimately cruel with its enemy placement. Sonic 3's alright about it, you can flow through it blind as long as you pick up on its level design patterns. You'll start to notice trends where enemies and traps will be spaced a similar amount of distance ahead of a given running or platforming segment. There's some bad placements here and there for each zone, but they're far enough apart that it's not all that bothersome. Just take the hit and you can build some nice speed for a while until you get the hang of things. You'll hardly ever game over.

>>10508052
You've hit upon a strange hypocrisy in Sonic criticism.
>it's just hold right to win
>but you can't play optimally unless you've done it multiple times
Pick one, retards.

Sucks that a fucking McDonald's promo caused it to get split in half

Sonic & Knuckles is the true bastard child of the franchise

>>10507982
SMB1 would have been the same shit with platforms that small, it's why you jump and pull back to land properly faggot.
>>10507990
>Whtat are hazards
Kill yourself zoomoid.

>>10508485
There's not even 10 great retro games of all time, let along fucking 300 of them.
Are zoomers so fucking stupid they think IPs that last past the 1990s to today were dogshit? If 300 retro games existed back then, and only 3 mascots remained today, what does that tell you? Use common sense next time before shitposting.

>>10514920
Sonic 3 itself was already a rushed thing that happened after Sonic Team were told to abandon development of Sonic 3D after the SVP manufacture got cucked

Sonic level length should not average out to 3 mins unless we get 24 total zones + 2 acts. A 12 zone game with 2-3 min levels is last than 1 hour, even us boomer copium with replayability I do not value 60USD today the same way as it was in the 90s. Games today can literally have infinite replayability with 10 times more content than Sonic 3K, for less than 60USD.

So fuck off with le S3K is too long, you just hate video games if you can't sit down for 3 hours playing a fucking platformer. Entitled fuckwads. Sonic, to me, should be a game you want to fuck around in, not speedrun trannie mode through once and retweet on twitter how kino the story was.

>>10515065
No one here's entitled or only plays Sonic for its story, anon... a lot of us enjoy Sonic for the same reasons you do, but here's the thing, after I play the same level for over 9 minutes, I get a bit sick of it, in that time span I'd rather play 3 different 3 minute levels instead, so your 24 total zones is actually exactly what I want, but if I can't have it, I still prefer shorter levels, I want that variety...

It's just a personal thing, but it's not a matter of being entitled or wanting to speedrun it, I'm also a fan or arcade styled stuff, it's why I like SEGA so much really, I enjoy the grind and taking my time.

However, just because I enjoy being punched for a bit before finally conquering what I'm playing by learning it, it doesn't mean that I want to play the same thing for long, I love the feeling of the progress when going from one level to another, with a different OST, setting and aesthetic, and new things to learn... again, it's just a preference, I love video games, just in a different way, anon.

You know, I love Sonic, but Rocket Knight Adventures just casually exists, and manages to be better than the entire Sonic series.

>>10515267
after I play the same level for over 9 minutes, I get a bit sick of it,
Then don't play it for 9 mins retard? Just play up to your fucking time limit you set and fuck off, no one should be "tired" of a level they haven't fucking played the first time, so if this is a post time event, then why are you forcing yourself to play a stage to completion again when you can just stay in the first 2 zones that are one minute max on average? Why are you asking for zone 12 to last 2 fucking minutes?
Again, I already said if you shitheads think like this, then 24 zones should be the default where the first 6 is like 2 mins for you faggots, 3-4 for the mid half, then 4-5 for the end half so the actual build up to a final battle isn't compromised. The bosses in Sonic are already piss easy, last thing I fucking want is """2 min stages" but the bosses are 9+ minutes like in fucking Superstars. Never fucking again should classic Sonic be about bosses until the last level, where it should be a juggernaut of skillful hits like in Sonic 2 and S3K

>>10515371
NTA, but it would be more fun to have a full game of well-paced levels rather than measuring it purely by how much time it takes away from you. A good game can be just 15 minutes for all I care (which is how some arcade games are), as long as every single minute of that is well made. Stages in 3 being around 4-5 minutes long is often wasted because this usually means chunks being recycled and there being a lot of filler in-between actually interesting areas. S3's final boss is also piss easy, and it having a boss every stage despite none of those bosses being interesting is also odd.

>>10515394
>NTA, but it would be more fun to have a full game of well-paced levels rather than measuring it purely by how much time it takes away from you.
Then you never liked arcade gaming and you're clearly a fucking zoomer that needs to leave /vr/
Literally zero games play like this except Nintendie ones.

>>10515371
Well, if I'm playing a level, obviously my goal is to get to the end and to the next level, to advance the adventure, which is why I prefer levels to be around 3 to 5 minutes long, I'm fine with some levels taking around 6 to 7 minutes, but when all levels end up taking me that, and every time it feels like it'll end it just keeps going, to me it's a lot worse, than more condensed level design.

I agree with you on your suggested structure, I mentioned that already and I don't get why you have to be so upset at me about this, I haven't disrespected you once in our discussion, anon.

Anyways, I don't want 2 minute levels either, it's too short, I feel that levels can be both too short or too long, there is a sweet spot in the middle and to me Sonic 2 hits it better than Sonic 3 does, but that's just me, and if you prefer Sonic 3 I get it, I get the appeal, it's just not my preference. I don't think the 2D levels in Forces, or Superstars, handled this well either, they dropped the ball.

>>10515396
We're not zoomers that don't like or get what makes arcades and their style special, it's why I've always loved SEGA so much, but to me what that other anon said makes sense, the reason I'm so into arcade styled titles it's because they have no bloat, no padding, it's a purely condensed experience you can finish in 15 minutes if you're good at it, but you'll likely lose at first, it's fun,

>>10515394
This.

>>10515396
Gimmick! would like to have a word with you
and Kick Master
and Radiant Silvergun
and Osman (fucking brutal game though)

There's tons of wonderful games fitting that anon's description. Please do not be a silly little bait worm.