/vr/ - Retro Games

Wow, did the old CRT general really die and there's no formal replacement? Times sure have changed

>Sailor Moon bunnygirl Windows 3.1 startup screen
Why does this image exist?

Trannytroon thread

>>10432562
/vr/ is just /v/ for "retro games" at this point. most of the threads are just bait.

>>10432607
some of us still have working dicks

>>10432917
i don't want to share the shit i find any more. it is ass that anime posting and anons playing MTV cribs fill these threads to the brim now.

>>10432951
This

>>10432562
>Times sure have changed
Once CRT fags realized that they cannot earn internet points by posting le retro tv they all fled to Reddit

Don't get me wrong I love my pvm but the best part of having a crt is playing games on it, not showing it off online like some kind of car show for autists

>>10432951
except /v/ is actually good and has cool off-topic threads and furry porn, /vr/ has none of that, just hatred and negativity without any of the fun

>>10432607
Have you ever turned up at the Playboy Mansion with a complete boxed copy of Microsoft Windows 3.1 in your hands? Things go wild quickly.

Is this art exclusive to this OS?

>>10433127
I just like to show off any new CRT I get and discuss with people about the model and such...

>>10433272
So you don’t care about games you just care about showing off CRTs, by what is essentially your own admission

>>10432967
Probably about half considering the average age of /vr/

>>10433127
I play my arcade games and my mister on my PVM all the time, just got sick of posting pictures and talking about it because some jealous fag always shows up saying this is not how games are supposed to look, etc...

Is anyone else saving a NiB waiting for when their current one to gives out?

>>10433313
I have my JVC D1017 out of box, only has about 30 hours on it. Guy on ebay was selling them back in 2013 new old stock for about $120 and I snagged it. I mostly use my 20L5 right now.

>>10433364
*JVC DT-V1710

>>10432287
need some help with my hd3650 i have it hooked up to my crt with a component cable via the din port, if i use the amd driver without the catalyst software it worked out of the box but the image is overscanned and to the left by like an inch or so, the component video before installing catalyst is very clean, as soon as i install catalyst it goes extremely flickery, i thought thats just how the component output is but i had to install windows 11 for dolphin and without catalyst there is no flicker, the flicker makes my eyes go weird and it isn't comfortable to look at, is there some other tool i can use to shift the image to the right and fix the overscan?

>>10432287
what's the cheapest way to set up rf where each channel is a different video source maybe 5 to 10 different channels? most rf modulators seem to only do channels 3 and 4. i'm not seeing anything that has that many inputs. maybe it would be cheaper to just build one myself

>>10433382
>i had to install windows 11 for dolphin
???
also you're trying to use COMPOSITE, not component, the latter doesn't look like dogshit

>>10432562
it didn't "die"
if we hit the bump limit the thread slides anon
the previous thread was up for nearly two weeks
i was the OP & i still cant get a good picture of my sets kek

>>10433547
you can only get old version of dolphin for windows 7 and the netplay isn't compatible with newer dolphin versions
>also you're trying to use COMPOSITE, not component, the latter doesn't look like dogshit
the fuck are you talking about

>>10432951
there are people who take pleasure in sliding the board sadly
its cringe
anyways, heres one of my crt
>>10431409

>>10433134
Oh, so /v/ is now the diet coke version of 2010s /b/. What a miserable fate.

My nice little samsung died a couple years ago and I finally started picking up old games again so I’m looking to get another small <20” silver crt.
In the past couple weeks I’ve been to 6 goodwills, a goodwill outlet, 3 thrift stores, and 1 pawn shop and have seen exactly 0 crts for sale.
WHERE THE FUCK DO I FIND A GODDAMN TUBE TV LIKE HOLY SHIT, all listings on fbm and craigslist near me are asking over $100 for “retro gaming tv” 36” behemoths.

>>10433725
You're 10 years too late. Minimum.

People have been throwing out their old CRT tubes for almost 2 decades now. Electronic Recycling centers have been taking old CRTs, and breaking them down non-stop for 15 years now.

There used to be HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of CRTs TVs back in the 90s/2000s. 1 CRT in almost every household. Sometimes 2 or 3 if it was a family living in the house .

But today? 90% of them are gone. Most people just threw them out or donated them. Besides...CRTs only have a shelf life of 15 to 20 years before the electronics start to break down. The capacitors inside the TV will leak and stop functioning. So without maintenance or electronics repair skills, they will eventually stop functioning.

>>10433725
its over, i had to drive 8 hours and pay for mine kek

>>10433279
you can care about both.
but yeah i am autistic about crts, so what?
>>10433787
found 2 working ones on the street just recently.
Couldnt take them tho

>>10433701
/v/ was always "/b/ with video games". People have been saying this for over 15 years

>>10433937
>2008
Yeah, sounds about right that around that fucking Channology shitshow it became that. The early days of /v/ were actually fun, like early /vr/.

>>10433937
i mean duh.
what much more is there to say about games then this game is good/bad heres why I like/hate it and variations on that with genre and game topics and everything

>>10433725
did you throw away the busted set? chances are it would have been possible to repair unless it was something wrong with the tube or yoke or flyback or an important IC (although sometimes you can replace the flyback)

is it really bad to keep the contrast on my crt in the high end?

>>10433725
The ones left in the wild are usually either huge or tiny, and have been gathering dust in an unused corner somewhere for over a decade. When people finally get rid of them they just want them gone. People don't try to sell them because they're thought to be worthless, and donation stores won't accept them.

Here let me fix it

Trinitroon thread

>>10434136
Why did that blank TV explode

>>10434243
>explode
CRTs implode, anon.

>>10434136
Contrast should just be as high as you like it without causing bloom. Using a TV to the point that it goes dark takes years of constant use. I wouldn't worry about it.

I wonder when they'll stop reproducing those BKM-129X cards for PVMs, at this point I don't think there are many in need of those.

i don't like how people ask too much for crts. but even more i hate that people actually pay that much. and yet i've bought for $50 before.

>>10435270
I'd only buy rare/good sets for $50, anything else and it's free or nothing

>>10433725
>36” behemoths.

The smaller ones were the easiest to haul and dispose of. Those remaining are vanishing away into retro setups and will never see the secondhand market again unless they are flipped on Ebay.

Now you're shopping for those models requiring a 2-3 man lift, which is the reason they still have it for sale.

High Quality shadowmask = >Just take it bro

Bottom-tier Dell/Viewsonic Aperture Grille = >Lol stay poor bro, I'll get $800 on Ebay anyway

Why's it like this when neither looks objectively better than the other?

High Quality shadowmask;
>Just take it bro

Bottom-tier Dell/Viewsonic Aperture Grille;
>Lol stay poor bro, I'll get $800 on Ebay anyway

Why's it like this when neither looks objectively better than the other?

>>10432562
The original /CRT/ died years ago, dude. All the people who cared left and the few people that were there at the time, like me, seldom come here. This general really is a shell of its former self. We had a good run though, so whatever.

Hey bros, I just got a free stand for my twenty inch CRT TV. When I picked it up there was a VCR in the stand which was given to me for free. Can I just set the VCR on top of the CRT? Back when we had CRTs in my house we had an entertainment center so we never had the VCR and TV touching, and aside from setting a PS2 slim on top of the CRT and it getting a bit warm I've never sat anyone on top of the CRT. Just want to make sure I'm not going to cause a heat trap to happen.

>>10435620
Sony tax.
Filters retarded niggers.
Even better there is a sony alternative that is literally just as good and uses the same technology but because of sony worshippers you can get them for cheap.

>TV has composite/S-video/component
>they all share the same rear audio jacks
Not that big of a deal because I'm just using the side composite jacks but what the hell man.

>>10435782
It's fine as long as it's stable and you aren't blocking any vents on either the TV or the bottom of the VCR.

>>10436170
Neat, thanks.

>>10435782
offcourse.
just dont store the tapes on the tv, the magnets in the tv will destroy them over time

Got a 19inch HP M90 for free, the brightness and contrast for this monitor is raised to maximum. The monitor still looks dull and colors washed out compared to my IPS monitor next to it. Any suggestions on how to fix any or both issues?

>>10433127
This is the OC who jerks off feral Pokemon, isn't it?

>>10437004
Open the thing up and start adjusting pentiometers with a #1 philips screwdriver. There should be some facing upwards from the neckboard area right on the tube and some on the flyback in the back and to the left. Make sure to be careful if the any of the pentiometers are made with plastic screws because you could accidently push them downwards and be unable to adjust them again.
t. Almost killed myself

>>10436949
Nice
Xbox?

>>10437206
Yeah DOA Beach Volleyball

>>10437225
Yeah nice
I've just got into OG Xbox recently on my CRT and RGB looks fantastic on it

>>10432287
>Usagi
>Rabbits are her actual theme and namesake, but she's not nearly enough of a slut to actually wear a bunny suit for random dudes
>Minako
>Actually is every bit that much of a slut and then some and is more than happy to flaunt her body to whoever

>>10435716
That's too bad; it was fun to drop in on occasion, even if just to see Free20L5Guy get baited. I guess the thread oldfags can only take so many different shots of their sets before getting tired of it, and with the market as it is, many are probably priced out of getting additional sets which are worth a damn.

>>10437464
from the latest neogeo shitshow thread

hi<3

>>10438080
Are these cabinets custom-made for midgets?

>>10438089
my niece is 5 my nephew is 6
so.... yes?

when ladyfriends are over i pull a bench from the kitchen table (its a wood picnic style)
the bench is long enough to use all cabs at once
they all have jamma boards and superguns in them aside from tempest (now in a different room)

>>10438096
You built a custom cabinet for your niece and nephew in your room?
Is that like your version of a free candy van?

>>10438107
arcade 1up shells are cheap anon
LDS>hdmi\vga converters are like 15$ on amazon
i put seimitsu buttons and sanwa in a few others
kinda shameful to dump all the original hardware (a few i turned into supergun 4-way controllers for golden era shite)

check your local craigslist
you too can be a craigslist master & build a 1\4 scale mini cabinet for under 100$ in parts

>>10438096
Those shelves are ugly and cheap looking.

>>10438392
im not a fan of the metal laboratory look
although i did have those type of shelves years ago
you can use shelf-liner or peel&stick wallpaper to dress them up a bit on the cheap

Is PAL 50Hz flickering noticeable on native PAL sets? I'm brazilian so almost every TV here has NTSC/PAL-M support and I always hated PAL even though the image was a bit better since the flickering is really noticeable, so I wonder if it's caused by the conversion or something like that.

>>10438405
Different anon here, but I think those modern metal shelves clash with the "retro" look of the game consoles. Back in the day, most people had wood shelves or some sort of entertainment center. So these modern metal shelves don't work.

>>10438096
>>10438392
>>10438405
>>10438461
The chairs suck too.

>>10437004
crt monitors just dont get that bright homes shoulda thought about that beforehand.
Turn down the brightness on the LCD to match the crt.
As for the colors yeah its completely fucked your gonna have to calibrate the colors from the service menu

>>10437004
lower the brightness. having the brightness set too high will make the picture look washed out. brightness is for setting black level, contrast for white.

noob question: do CRTs wear out?

>>10438768
CRTs always dim with use/age. If you acquire a CRT that was used daily to watch shows for 10 years, its probably gonna look much dimmer than a set that was barely used. Unlike an LED screen the tube can also have permantent image burn-in if exposed to the same image for extended time periods without refresh

Of course the capacitors and other components are also an issue as with any electronics

>>10438768
>do CRTs wear out?
Yes.

The CRTs get dimmer with age and heavy use. The screen can get burn in.

The electronics making the image can wear out and break.

And even if you fix the electronics, the tube can just make a poor image. The gasses inside the glass tube of the screen with lose their effectiveness.

>>10438789
my dad has a 2000s TV he's used daily since he got it and while the picture isn't blindingly bright, it's still quite usable even through a layer of dust

>>10439073
Our living room family TV when I was a kid was super dark crushed so you couldn't see shit in dark TV shows or cave levels in video games but I can't say whether that was the TV or what the fuck dad was doing with settings for sure. Otherwise I basically only see major dimming on PC CRTs that were on 8-16h/day 5-6 days/week for years on end usually with the brightness cranked for whatever reason. I've got two from our family's old PCs and the one from the shared family one is pretty bad.

>>10439073
>my dad has a 2000s TV he's used daily since he got it and while the picture isn't blindingly bright, it's still quite usable even through a layer of dust

While age is always s factor, usage is much more important.

Look at Arcade Cabinet CRT monitors from the 80s and 90s. Those monitors were left on almost 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Walk into an arcade and the screens were left on trying to attract customers. Under such massive heavy usage the CRT screens eventually broke down often, and needed to be fixed or replaced.

One of the biggest reasons we don't see arcade cabinets from the 80s and 90s anymore is because their CRT monitors failed. And it became too difficult to repair or find spare parts. So most arcades retired the machines. If the CRT monitors lasted like LCDs monitors, then we would probably see more 80s and 90s arcade cabinets still around.

I noticed with a Sony 20inch CRT that it had a VM setting on high, so I turned it off and Sonic's sprites when back to looking more round as it should. This is what Sonic looked like with the setting on.

>>10439239
And this is with that VM setting off.

>>10435435
I have the KV-20FS12 composite only version of that TV. It seems like it makes a louder than normal "startup noise" compared to my other CRTs. I don't know if that's just Sony tvs or what since it is my first Sony CRT and I usually use my I'Art 27" for playing games on due to S-video.

I got incredibly lucky a few days ago and stumbled across this guy on the curb on trash day. Still seems to work well. Hopefully it doesn't die too soon

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- You like kissing boys, don't you?
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

source:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousCRTMasterRace/wiki/misconceptions/

>>10438768
technically?
yes
practically?
nah

26k hours on mine and looks as good as a new one.
To wear out a later crt you pretty much have to leave it on all day for like a decade

>>10439368
- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
>factually incorrect, or scanline generation software wouldn't exist
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
>wrong.
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
>wrong, when viewed dead-on at 12o'clock it is not detectable on a properly working set (60hz)
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
>weak eyes, weak mind, weak body, weakling
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
>wrong, a unit in need of servicing\repair will make noises however
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
>it will not magically shock you, and was designed with safeguards to protect children\normies
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
>wrong, i set mine each time i start gaming with 240p test suite and it looks fine
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
>turn off the lights, turn down the lights, turn down the brightness a bit
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
>HOLY LOL,LMAO EVEN
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
>its not "good" for it, but one fuckup isn't going to break your systems
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
>wrong
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
>shill detected, plenty of great sets for cheap are still out there if you are patient anonkun
- Curved CRTs are worse than flat
>usually wrong but i do have both here at the house
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
>weakling, lift weights, get strong

source:
>leddit

>>10438768
Tubes can get worn out, sure, though many are still totally fine. More common are components on the chassis failing, and many of those are replaceable with standard parts which are still widely used and manufactured (capacitors, resistors, etc). Issues arise with more unique parts, namely flyback transformers, which can be harder to source, and in some cases can be of shit quality (I know there are stories of modern new flybacks which shit the bed pretty quickly).

is it possible to fix cropping issues (sanyo 1990)

>>10435435
I just sold one of those for like $50 to a guy just getting into the hobby. Gotta spread the love.

>>10432967
That you use to jerk off to gay cartoons instead of putting them into actual women. Dude, don't defend such weeb faggotry The image really shouldn't exist. A real girl would immediately leave if she saw that garbage posted on your desktop and all over your walls. Anime body pillows will make her trip over herself trying to escape even faster. You aren't Japanese!!

>>10433127
>le
>also shitting on Reddit

"Le" is fucking reddit talk. It'd be nice if "desu" and "senpai" weren't posted, but PLEASE quit it with the "le". It's actually pointless. It doesn't nuance your post or add any flavor you would want whatsoever. Really rethink this before doing any more 'le' posting. Shit.

>>10433134
You're embarrassing yourself. Furry porn is frowned upon. We aren't like you. We don't like that. Keep your sick incel fetishes to yourself or go over to that board with the furry shit.

>>10433559
You'll never get a "good" picture if there are big-eyed Jap children's cartoons everywhere. Seriously, it's like you guys are PROUD of it. At least you're not embarrassed of your dorkus hobby, and you SHOULD BE. Anime is fucking retarded and has ZERO to do with CRTs and retro video games. This whole fucking website is overflowing with incel weeb energy. Fucking losers, anyone who deals in anime fandom. Thank god none of you ever leave the house. Stay online, but leave 4chan please.

>>10434243
It hated the stupid anime cartoon that was displayed on its screen so it killed itself!

>>10439846
anon the game is "hellfire" you unhinged sperglord
it is a cult-classic
it is godtier
stop posting

>>10439797
yeah, you need to get into service menu
But god damn is that blurry, might need to recalibrate everything including the focus

When talking about original hardware I keep seeing people screeching about emulation. How many here have an actual CRT Emudriver setup with Retroarch? I managed to hook up my PVM 14l2 with an old Radeon 5480; It's a bitch to set up but it's absolutely worth it

>>10439989
i want to do this but i dont know where to start
i even have a spare wangblows 10 pc readyup and waiting
however i only have hdmi output so i would need some sort of daisychain?
hdmi>vga>rgb scart?

>>10433279
>discuss with people about the model and such
Did you miss that part? I've been playing F-Zero X and Mario Golf on my TV and was surprised by how precise the controls are for the former. It was my first time ever playing it, yet I felt like it was more fun than SNES F-Zero due to being able to actually turn well.

>>10439846
I would say Anime and CRT go together well. CRTs helped mask the minor imperfections in cell art.

>>10439654
yes, that is all explained on the page i linked

idk why you'd needlessly duplicate the effort

>>10437027
No, he doesn't even do porn as this bunny suit is the most you're going to get out of him.

>>10439276
Something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OU3OkvQ4m8

Perfectly normal. Some TVs just have a stronger degauss coil.

>>10439989
I have 3 at this point. My main PC has a Emudriver card and I bought two cheap office PCs with Radeons and set them up to automatically start Launchbox preconfigured with everything. At different points people on ebay have sold vga to component boxes / vga to scart cables made just for this and I have a couple but I wish I had bought more idk how to make them and idk if anyone still makes sells them right now. Pic is cheapo cabinet I set up for the garage sub $200

>>10438895
gasses? it's a vacuum

>>10439319
Whats lamer? software emulation or clone systems (emulators)?

>>10440731
Probably posters that bitch and whine about how anons play their games

>>10440540
Anon, pls

>>10440540
>gasses? it's a vacuum
You shame all of us.

I don't expect a reply, but do more research.

You shame all of us.

>>10441482
Is this a joke? If you have gas in your CRT the you have a nonworking CRT. CRTs have a getter in them and their whole purpose is to absorb residual gasses left over after evacuation of the tube.

>>10440731
Hardware clones feel identical to original systems. Maybe not the controller, but the systems themselves are good.

>>10442107
>Maybe not the controller, but the systems themselves are good.
The controller is usually the easiest thing to skimp out on when it comes to quality. They use cheaper plastic, and the buttons/D-pad use inferior parts than the original. I'm saying this happens 100% of the time, but often enough.

>>10439818
He sold it on for a huge profit.

>>10435997
>Dragon Half
Beyond based.
Is a CRT worth it? I have a fairly old Sony flatscreen as my only TV/monitor (2009 I believe? A Bravia if that helps) and I've been alright; with the proper adapters my GameCube and Dreamcast look pretty good on it and even my Nintendo 64 plugged in with a SCART-to-composite adapter looks serviceable. I won't lie it would be nice to have a separate comfy setup for retro consoles under a CRT but between the price and space concerns I'm not sure if I should bother.

Due to my idiocy, I ended up getting a Wega because I thought, "Oh cool, flat-screen CRT with component input." Except I didn't know that early Wegas weren't compatible with progressive scan.

Out of curiosity, are PVMs progressive compatible?

>>10444171
Mate, standard CRT’s aren’t compatible with 480p
You need either a HDCRT, EDCRT or a multi format PVM which is the only non laggy one
There’s also PC monitors

>puts hand around focus adjustment pot area that has thousands of volts that can easily arc
>gets shocked
>"teehee, I got zapped XD"

>>10444181
some crt tvs can output 480p and 1080i without lag, usually the ones that can't display a 720p signal. there are also presentation monitors which can display SD and 640x480 (sometimes even 800x600) over VGA

Shit meant to post this here:
A nice 32” trinitron (KV-32fs120) is sitting behind a goodwill and it’s starting to snow. They can’t sell CRTs anymore right? Should I go in the dock and offer $10 for it?

>>10444710
If it's sitting outside, then just take it.

It's trash.

>>10444710
If you want to be polite, then go inside and ask about it. See if it's garbage or not. Though you might run the risk of them charging you.

If you don't care, then just take it since it's outside and not stored inside.

I've have mixed experiences with Goodwill. They overcharged on so many items.

>>10444789
>>10444870
>then just take it.
absolutely don't do this if you are in america

>>10444710
>sitting behind goodwill
TAKE IT!!!
They are going to scrap it, if you dont take it now.
>>10444896
stfu retard its sitting behind goodwill not in someones yard

>>10444896
I hate americans so much
>boohoo crts are soooo expensive
>take a crt thats sitting in the trash? no way that would be stealing from the trash companies who get 1 cent for the copper

>>10432287
does this theme even exists?

>>10444995
in america, people will call the police on you for much much less. It's a massive problem here, they'll literally use deadly force to defend garbage and other inanimate objects

>>10445232
yeah america is the worst.
all retarded trends come from there aswell.
everything from hussle culture to scalping is american invention.
worthless people.

>>10444696
HDCRT's can be less lag when fed a 540p custom signal sure
But no /vr/ consoles do that

This Panasonic was brought in today at my work. It has component and s-video on a curved tube, so I'm thinking that is a bit rare I imagine. I'm just being to turn it on to test how it looks in standby.

>>10445782
It seems pretty dusty, so I'm hoping it works well.

>>10445782
Not really?
Is component a rarity in America?

>>10445786
hmmm

>>10445782
It's definitely not the norm.

-Lower end TVs only had coaxial.
-Mid range CRTs had coaxial and Composite (red, yellow, and white)

-Only High end CRTs had S-Video and other connections. It was not standard.

>>10445232
As a certified trash picker in a city, i have never ran into issues. Infact, ive had people encourage me to take it off their property when im eyeing something or help me load it onto a cart. Worst case scenario, you knock on the front door and ask if u can haul it away if its too deep into potential enemy territory.

>>10445787
There's a pretty narrow time window between component being popularized and most more featured TVs being memed into flat screen that makes them relatively uncommon, although not necessarily super special rare.

>>10445801
What do you think? Might be spiders or too dirty?

>>10445816
Have you never heard of a dust cloth? Just wipe it down.

>>10445821
I'm going to, I was just thinking why >>10445801 went "hmmmm". Like "hmmmm that looks like it could be very dirty and have issues". I also noticed some "shapes" on the right side of >>10445786 in the dust. But I don't see any signs of water damage on the connectors or screws.

>>10445830
I doubt anything is living inside. But if there are, then they would die when you power it on and run electricity through the TV.

>>10445905
?
You know that's not how electronics work right

>>10445930
Tons of voltage and electricity run through a CRT when in use. If you want to do repairs, there's a reason you need to discharge even unplugged CRTs. You could potentially get electrocuted and die.

>>10446017
You do know it's not a Faraday cage right?

>>10445930
Wrong.

>>10446072
What, you think that the PCB electrocutes everything that touches it when it's live?

>>10446017
damn you are stupid stfu

>>10445930
>You know that's not how electronics work right
Are you a noob? You are asking some really dumb questions. Everyone knows crts can zap you. Bigger crts hold a bigger charge and will hurt a lot more

>>10446084
>What, you think that the PCB electrocutes everything that touches it when it's live?
Depends on the voltage traces on the PCB. Don't be an idiot.

>>10446109
So you think an insect fries as soon as you turn the CRT on?

>>10446120
If they touch a section with voltage running through it, then yes.

>>10445773
and some tvs output native 480p without lag

I need like an ideal price for a crt monitor, no way am I paying $150 for some off brand ive never heard of

>>10446152
Yeah, Multiformat ones, like I said

>>10445782
>>10445786
So I turned on the tv finally and I see that magnet purple haze on the top left. Also the menu screen on tv/audio output black screen is very jittery as well. I'm just not sure if it is good to take.

>>10432287
anyone has that img ?

It is so strange to me as someone who grew up with CRTs that nowadays CRTs are considered antiques and ancient technology.

We had CRT screens for 60 years. But why is it in my lifetime they are thrown out?

What is with this timeline?

>>10446481
Women actively hate them

>>10446258
0$.
Just get one of these worthless trinitron monitors they are giving away by the palette.

>>10446549
>crts everywhere!
That hasn't been a thing for around 10 years. I live in a major city and haven't seen a CRT for a very long time. Not even in Goodwill or thrift stores.

>>10446774
You need to find more old people

>>10446148
Only if said insect also has a path to ground.

>>10446342
Degaussing will probably fix the purity problem. Don't worry about the menu.

I'm in Europe and desperately trying to find a CRT which supports 50 / 60 hz as well as PAL, NTSC and NTSC-J, which is extremely important to me due to the RF compatibility, but I have absolutely no idea on how to go about this efficiently.
The way I have been doing it so far is to just scout for any random CRTs that would fit lookswise, then check out what standards are listed in their manuals. This obviously takes ages and sometimes even longer if I have to use translators to find manuals that I couldn't find in English.

Anyone know of any lists that state the compatible TV standards next to the models? I did have a really old one from the early 00s, but I lost it together with my old drive and haven't been able to find it again since. It didn't feature a lot of entries anyway, though.

>>10446905
I think most of ours in the 90s from known brands are good

>>10446921
So far I've only found like 4 sets that supported 50/60, PAL and both NTSC formats, and I've probably been checking about 50+ sets. It's very frustrating.
I do have seen some more with PAL60 and while I don't know this, I highly doubt it's compatible with NTSC RF.

>>10446937
Dunno man but mine does PAL60 and also NTSC
Why do you want RF over composite though?

>>10446943
Interesting, thank you for telling me!
I have some RF-only consoles like the Famicom and I'm autistic about using launch models with original connections, which means modding and revisions with different outputs are a no-no. Or more accurately: Creating problems for myself on purpose.

>>10446962
Ah, fair enough
I use an AV fami
My set is RGB capable though
I would assume any set with S-Video could most likely do NTSC

>>10446962
Yeah, you are creating problems for yourself. You won't find a TV that supports NTSC over RF in Europe. A lot will display 60Hz over RGB and even NTSC composite, but tuners were for PAL only.
Here's an excerpt of my Trinitron's manual. As you can see, it supports every analog SD video standard known to man, but can only do PAL TV broadcast systems when it comes to RF. Moreover, support differs between regional models. If releasing a TV to different regions already constituted making separate model variants because of varying standards, channel bandwidths, etc., there's no chance a company would take the additional cost to include an NTSC tuner that no one would use.

>>10447035
Forgot pic

There was this neckbeard neighbor who used to live next to my apartment who hoarded a ton of CRT PC monitors, I only knew because one day him and his family just up and left out of the blue and left the majority of their stuff behind. I peeked through one of the windows and there were a ton of these things just lying there, I wanted to go in and rummage through the apartment to see what I could find but these people were fucking filthy, they would leave their trash out and they ended up infesting the entire apartment complex with roaches and mice. And this dude was your stereotypical qussential neckbeard, like dungeons and dragons, works at game stop and has his other geek friends come over and play DnD all night on the patio neckbeard, who also surprisingly had a girlfriend and a kid, I felt sorry for the kid since he was always walking around outside with nothing but a diaper on despite being like 5 years old. Thank you for reading my blog.

>>10447096
read it as "neckbOard neighbor"

>>10444468
I like the guy but the clickbait shit is so retarded of him to be pulling
also 100% his fault and a rookie mistake for a crt enthusiast of his caliber

>>10433534
rf sucks balls choose anything else

>>10446454
not OP, i found it in an /h/ archive. dunno who drew it or when. seems to be pretty old

>>10446774
let me guess, american?

>>10438415
Any euro can answer?

>>10448330
>>10438415
It depends what you mean by flickering, normally flickering means interlaced video output, and that's not a problem on PAL CRTs as long as they aren't some low end shit models that don't support 240p (however this would be an equal problem for NTSC CRTs too).

Or do you mean the effect that happens when graphics flash every other frame to simulate an explosion or a transparency? That one is a problem on PAL due to the lower frequency, but you'd need a game that constantly abuses it for it to be a problem (Vectorman for example).

>>10448351
Flickering as in using 60Hz on a PC CRT, instead of 75Hz+. It just feels bad to look at.

Anything in particular I should look for when comparing TVs? I recently acquired this Sony and this Insignia and am wondering which to keep.

On one hand I hear these Sony Trinitons are pretty good, on the other hand, I've never really heard of Insignia but this TV does have S video and component.
Does this just come down to preference?

>>10448418
Sony on the left

>>10448330
I don't notice it any different to 60hz,but my mum noticed it so bought a 100hz tv back when crt's were common place to smooth it out, I think it depends more on if you find interlaced content annoying to begin with or not, I don't.

>>10448425
Unless you are watching from a bunk bed, I don't know how you can see it.

>>10448418
>Does this just come down to preference?
Yeah pretty much preference also whichever one is less worn, people like to say x is better than y or say like a sony, mitsubishi or other nicer brand is dogshit compared to their cheapo store brand telly when the last one they saw was one that had been on everyday for 20 years while the cheapo one was low hour so obviously better

>>10448425
POV: youre watching the corner ceiling mounted tv at a roller rink pizza party while drinking hi-C out of a tiny paper cup

>>10432287
Best filter when emulating

>>10446905
The only option is finding a multiformat VCR, you connect RF to it, and then composite out to your TV. Check the manual for the NTSC tuner, some VCRs had NTSC playback for tapes, but PAL only tuner. A good indicator for a proper multiformat may be 110-230V power supplies

>>10448472
>100hz tv
That's a thing? I was thinking I was just crazy after reading the other replies, but if they made these then I guess it really was noticeable.

>>10448832
yeah i have a few.
apart from playing games for VHS and DVD they are pretty nice.
No flicker at all.

>>10446342
Take it and then fix it retard. Purple haze can be easily fixed by moving the purity ring at the front of the yoke or putting a magnet there. Jittery screen is normal. I'd kill to be you, that Panasonic looks cool as hell.

>>10446962
is using a demodulator or japanese VCR out of the question? because that's essentially what a tv tuner would be doing internally. then you'd set the white balance to 9300K and the brightness level

How to reduce flickering? This article makes it sound like it's unavoidable. It bothers me more than I thought it would. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_(screen)

>$50 stand included

Thoughts? Model is KV-27FV310.

>>10449572
this is like the best crt possible

>>10447035
>>10447037
Thank you very much for your input, I will have to admit I most likely suffered from severe tunnel vision then and only focused on the color system whenever I looked up a set.

>>10448726
>>10449493
Thank you guys so much, not only is that a great option, but actually sounds like the perfect solution to my case. I do have a few more questions just in case:
- I do own a 50 hz-only PAL CRT I'm currently trapped with; does the lack of 60 hz matter if I'm routing japanese consoles through a multiformat VCR anyway?
- Aside from the hz, I assume it would still be ideal for the PAL CRT to at least feature multiple color systems so to be able to naturally connect consoles via composite, saving the VCR method only for RF-out consoles? I'm saying "ideally" since apparently I could also just route a simple converter inbetween.
>>10449493
- Would you mind roughly explaining to me what's up with setting the white balance to 9300K?
My apologies for the constant questions, I'm trying to get a basic understanding down.

>>10449451
I'm taking my Wii too work to test everything out too. Then might take it that night or tomorrow when I can have a second person in the car.

I still can't believe euros watched/played on 50Hz TVs. I just tried for an hour and it's simply awful, my eyes actually hurt.

>>10449710
Don't worry zoomers that grew up with only LCDs think 60Hz strobing and interlacing are some sort of demonic magic.

>>10449710
That's bullshit
I bet you did that on a PC monitor
PAL is objectively better for watching shit, higher res and 24fps

>>10449716
lol

>>10449720
My TV supports PAL so I just tried an european game on my PS2. It's awful. Resolution might be better but it's not worth it.

>>10449724
I was talking about watching, not gaming

>>10449729
If my eyes hurt after an hour of gaming, I can't imagine how watching anything would be a better experience. You can legit see the screen flashing at 50Hz.

>>10449736
I can safely say your eyes are hurting because your TV is shit

>>10449736
>You can legit see the screen flashing at 50Hz.
You can't.
That's not how a CRT works. It doesn't just instantly switch to a new frame.

>>10449761
You can if the phosphor persistence is too short for the refresh rate.

>>10449647
>- I do own a 50 hz-only PAL CRT I'm currently trapped with; does the lack of 60 hz matter if I'm routing japanese consoles through a multiformat VCR anyway?
The VCR will still output a 60Hz signal (unless it's doing some fucky conversion to PAL/50Hz on the way, but that's pretty rare and would most likely result in dropped frames), your TV just won't sync to it. Expect rolling picture and no color.
What model is your TV? Are you sure it really doesn't support 60Hz?
>- Would you mind roughly explaining to me what's up with setting the white balance to 9300K?
There were different white balance standards for mastering video content back then, indicated by the color temperature. 6500K (D65) in the west, 9300K in Japan. When HD came around, the standard for colors became Rec.709, which assumes white at D65 universally.
Honestly, I have my everything set as close as possible to 6500K and even when watching or playing JP SD content it feels right, though in theory it should look too yellow, because the colors were supposed to be mastered to 9300K.
I don't know if your TV has a control like that in the menu (usually named color temperature, white balance, with settings like cold/warm instead of the numbers). PC monitors usually let you set that from the OSD, TVs not necessarily. You might need to calibrate the colors in the service menu to change the temp. Don't touch it if you don't know what you are doing. Or at least read the service manual and write down all the current settings before messing with them, you won't be able to restore them otherwise.
My TV has a "sports" mode that cranks the temperature up high af, which might be close to 9300K, but looks terrible in every aspect and doesn't let you adjust anything in the user menu, so I don't use it. It's got its separate RGB drive/cutoff settings in the service menu though.

What would be better for ps1 games on a crt, the original console with burned discs, or a PS Mini/Classic with homebrew? Would the latter be any different than an emulator on a PC?

>>10449815
On a CRT?
the original console, you want it to run at 240p

>>10449815
Original console hooked up with an RGB cable.

>>10449793
Thanks a lot for the explanation, very much appreciated!
I sadly can't confirm nor deconfirm the options my TV offers as I've yet to set it up in my new apartment (stuff is still all over the place while I'm waiting for new furniture to arrive), but I'm taking notes and your explanation sounds easy enough to follow on my own once I can get to testing. It's a funny situation in general since I also just somewhat recently decided to swap from PAL to NTSC, hence my extreme lack of experience because things used to "just work", so now I'm trying to catch up while waiting for everything here to get done.
My TV is a Medion MD 7061 VTS, I sadly didn't find a manual for this exact model so I can only go by what it says on the back.

>>10449847
>>10449850
I'm guessing the Mini doesn't output to 240p. I'll invest in some discs then, thanks.

I know Component and S-Video have better image quality than composite, but what if I'm converting an HDMI signal? Will it also look better? HDMI to Component/S-Video converters are a lot more expensive than HDMI to Composite converters.

>>10449859
What it says on the back is irrelevant, it's only the power rating. Doesn't mean anything apart from what mains voltage and frequency you should plug it into. You won't get any info on the supported formats this way.
Check the manual if you can, it will surely have them listed. Or just plug in anything that outputs NTSC via composite or 60Hz RGB via SCART and see what happens.
-----
I think I found something. A document that points to a Toshiba TV using the same chassis as your Medion (I think). Well, it's more of an application note for the chassis rather than a service manual, but it says this:
>The chroma decoder is able to demodulate PAL, NTSC and SECAM signals.
So NTSC and 60Hz RGB should work fine.

>>10448425
mnachild/10

>>10432967
Really? that's impressive considering how long you've been on HRT.

>>10449647
You need to check the particular TV's manual. My 90s Trinitron is only 50hz 230V, but that's just the power, it has no connection to refresh rate. It can display 60hz NTSC stuff no problem over composite and RGB

>>10449574
Are you fucking with me? Seems pretty average.

>>10450568
pleb

>>10450632
Fuck me I have been using a 27" JVC D-Series for years and never cared much about Trinitron. Just thought I'd check near me while I'm on vacation. Have the space in the car to bring it back too. Hopefully he contacts in the next 24 hours.

>>10448425
This is awesome

>>10449746
>>10449761
They literally produced 100Hz tubes to solve your 50Hz problem with frame doubling. You just got used to the shitness.

what did cheng mean by this
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005004788173308.html

>>10451328
fun allowed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-fO5IkMKNg

>>10451118
tubes don't have a set frequency

>>10450682
if your JVC was decently calibrated you are gonna be dissapointed.
"PVM tier" and "Pro soomer" means nothing its gonna be maybe a little bit better

>>10451367
retard
https://manualzz.com/doc/2086375/philips-36pw9618-flat-panel-television-user-manual

>>10451367
Technically in a sense they do. Short phosphors will flicker more with lower frequencies, long phosphors less, short phosphors trail less at higher frequencies, long phosphors trail more, etc, etc. There's a frequency range that's best suited for the phosphors used in a tube.

>>10451383
What does any of that have to do with the actual tubes?

>>10451406
autistic retard

>>10450232
but enough about you

>>10451379
It doesn't matter, someone beat me to it, oh well, I'll just move along. I'm perfectly happy with my TV, just wanted to see what else is out there

>>10452110
>that geometry tho

>>10448425
>Why yes, I do like to pretend I'm standing in a videostore aisle circa 2001 looking up at a demo set while I watch my favorite movies, why do you ask?

>>10445782
>>10445786
>>10449451
Tried my wii with component and it was black and white. Tried composite and it worked correctly. Anything on the Wii side that I shoukd try and change? The component cables worked on my LCD before I came to work and the settings are 4:3 and interlaced on the Wii.

>>10452117
I thank god every day I don’t have aspect ratio/geometry autism
Sounds like suffering

>>10452183
Could be the cable or dirty pins. Pins 8 and 10 need to be shorted to enable component output.

>>10452183
I'm having the same issue with my Insignia. The Wii component works on my flat screen but when I try the CRT it's a fuzzy mess

>>10452267
I'll try using some compressed air and hope that works. I'm honestly just glad that the composite works at least.

>>10440404
>idk if anyone still makes sells them right now
I bought a VGA2SCART Sync Converter from RetroUpgrades a few months ago

>>10452282
Do you have your Wii settings to 4:3 and interlaced for component? My Panasonic TV does 480i so I have it set to interlaced for that.

>>10452183
You should check if it has a NTSC setting you need to change

>>10452286
Oh shit that fixed it, thanks man

>>10452263

>>10452294
Found the problem! I had to mess with the red input a bit for it to register.

Do non-HD CRT sets even support 480p? Never found one that did

>>10452523
Eurofag here, we had loewe and metz who often had component and vga on their tvs and those shits are 480p gods.

Probably also some widescreen 100hz shitters who can do 480p as well as well as FRAUD sets brought over from America with hd compatibility removed if you're the kind of psychopath nigger to watch shit in 576p

>>10452487
I've successfully got the tv home using some bubble wrap. It took some tilting in my car to position it well enough to sit. Now I have it in the back of my car waiting for someone to help me bring it inside. It's like 50 degrees out, but I'm hoping it will be okay for a few hours.

I got a 32" Sony yesterday and it managed to tear my car's seat

I've been trying to find the art in OPs picture like crazy this last week and just can't seem to find it.

>>10452649

>>10452649
>>10452652
just teasing you, it wasn't that hard to find

>>10447845
The most I could find was a compilation in Sad Panda that has this image but nothing on the author.

>>10452662
I really couldn't even find it with a lot of image searcher sites but to be fair, they have trouble when the source is a picture of an angled computer screen.
Tried googling shit like "windows 3.1 sailor moon" to no luck.
Thanks anon, but seems like the author will remain a mystery.

>>10452675
Couldn't find it by regular reverse image search either because it would just find Windows 3.1 logos, but looking for
windows 3.1 "nec corporation 1993" sailor
did it.
Here btw
https://www.angelfire.com/anime3/secretgarden/Venus-anime-pics6.html

>>10452682
I tried cropping the image to just reverse search with the girls and just fonud regular Sailor Moon art.
Thanks anon, gotta love old Angelfire anime sites.

>>10452627
>It's like 50 degrees out
that's pretty hot anon, where the fuck do you live? middle of the desert?

>>10452487
Nice
>>10452523
not really, unless they say multiformat, which has basically a 32khz flyback for that sole function I think

Did my first rgb mod today, Mitsubishi CT29GB1. I followed MarkOzlad's circuit example abd a guy who modded a CT29AX1. Removed 3 resistors to ground, couldn't understand the blanking line signal though so just hooked it up with a voltage divider off the scart port. Gotta start somewhere I suppose.

>>10452784
50 american degrees

>>10452682
>angelfire still lives

>>10452920
yeah, i still have an account from 2001

check this page out:
angelfire.com/dc/crs

>>10450632
what faceberg boomer retard made this image? lmao
literally every flat SD 4:3 sony is the same exact tv, the fv310 included, and the fv300 is super fucking generic, specially the 20-24 inch ones

Playing a little Pokémon Colosseum to celebrate its 20th anniversary.

>>10450632
>59lb 20"
I mean I know my 15" aperture grille monitor is like 50% heavier than my 20" TV but still jesus

>>10453039
I think the extra weight is from the screen being flat. The tubes were made extra massive to compensate

>>10453465
yes they need more glass to be safe compared curved tubes.
monitors are much heavier then TVs in general, I have a Mitsubishi Apature grille monitors and its 80-90lbs despite only being 21 inch.
And that ones not even flat!

>>10453528
Safety?
I thought it was because the conical nature of how the electron gun works

>>10453531
no there is alot more glass on the edges to both keep it from imploding and to create the illussion of flatness.
Even "Flat" Trinitrons are not 100% flat, there is more glass on the sides to make it seem that way which increases weight.

>>10453595
why would it implode?

>>10453661
A CRT is under a vacuum which means it has to withstand the crushing weight of the atmosphere. A curved surface distributes this load around the sides making it a more compressive load vs the tensile load of a weight being distributed across a flat surface. Remember that domes are stronger structures made with less materials.

>>10453465
>>10453528
>>10453889
Yeah this is why people shill LG Flatron monitors, they were the only company to use the Zenith patent and make flat tubes with no internal curvature.

>>10454087
Doesn't that mean they must adjust more digitally?

>>10454091
No fucking clue, I'm in a discord with one guy who's a massive LG Flatron dick sucker. Panasonic also made *almost* flat tubes for some of their really posh widescreens as well.

This 915ft is the best flatron ever made btw

>>10454106
I remember reading that the curved tubes mainly existed to keep a equal distance from the gun, for better focus and geometry. Later when microcontrollers got better, real time adjustment to change the beam on the fly to adjust to the flat screen got cost effective, hence why flat tubes suddenly got popular too.

At least that's what I've read, don't quote me.

>>10454106
I have a Trinitron flat monitor.

>>10454180
But curved Trannytrons are sexier

>>10454114
>>10454180
>>10454185
Here's the main image for comparison

>>10454106
>>10454189
DFC

Delicious Flat sCreen

>>10454185
I had that throw out at my work and didn't take it due to being indecisive. It then got thrown out for recycle. So imagine how I felt when >>10445782 >>10445786
came in.

>>10454087
Are the LG Flatron TVs true flat as well? I know they exist in Europe at least

>>10454301
offcourse not.
TVs were always bargain bin refuse, the most worshipped crt TVs are the ones that have a few features that spilled over from monitors, see:>>10450632 .
Not saying crt TVs are bad, I love em but expecting any sort of high end tech in em is with a few notable exceptions a fools errand

>>10454962
Even the super expensive ones?

>>10454968
offcourse.

>>10454968
The exception to this are large scale presentation monitors and as the name implies they are more monitor then TV.
Think about it, TVs only ever need to display 480i at max.
And they got pretty good at that during the 80s.
More would just be a waste since they will always display a low resolution signal.
Meanwhile monitors were pushing past 1440p in the late 90s and thus to reach higher resolutions and a more stable picture got a lot of research.

>>10455001
I have CRT TVs that do 480p. Even 1080i over component and HDMI.

>>10455124
yeah from the 2000s where that tech was nothing special either.
I mean 1080i thats 80s tech

A lot of people don't realize that we could film and videotape things in 4K back in the 80s/90s. Camera tech was far more advanced than display tech. Outside of a very few enterprise grade models, we just didn't have monitors that could display such high resolution yet. We had to wait for display technology to catch up in the 2000s.

>>10455160
What do years have to do with any of this?

>>10455219
everything?
An HDTV would have ran you more then 10 grand in the 80s but in the 2000s the tech was, while still expensive, extremely cheap in comparison.

>>10455228
Yet pennies now anyways.

>>10455232
exactly and that is why TVs got monitor features decades later or never.
At first features like decent voltage regulation were reserved for monitors who actually really need it, and it came to TVs later.
Many features like dynamic convergance never made it to TVs since crt production got shut down before they could become ubiquitous

I mentioned this is another thread, but a few years ago I called a CRT repair shop that advertised arcade monitor repairs.. When I asked if they repaired Neotec CRT arcade monitors...the guy on the phone immediately laughed after I mentioned Neotec, said nope, and hung up the phone. Is this typical for Neotec? Is their CRT reputation that bad? What am I missing?

I had an arcade monitor with a Neotec cabinet. It wasn't original. To the cabinet but I wanted to fix it.

>>10455519
I don’t think they’re good no
But that’s just typical electronic repairman arrogance

>>10452675
>>10452662
heres a waifu2x upscale
quick and dirty, just how i like it

>>10455519
prob not the brand
but he heard a can of worms being opened when you asked "can you fix\diagnose\repair\upkeep my ancient arcade cab lol"

>>10455565
might look better using integer scaling

>>10455581
saved
thnx bb

>>10455565
>waifu2x on pixel art
come on

hrt trannytron

>>10455818
>CrT=hRt TrAnNyTrOn
Explain, Dr. fucko.

>>10455570
The arcade cab itself was fine. The monitor just stopped working. One day it wouldn't display properly. I tested the board on my supergun and it worked fine. So it was definitely the monitor.

The phone conversation seemed professional at first and then he asked what brand monitor? I barely even finished saying the word "Neotec" when he started laughing, then said nope, and hung up the phone.

>>10455854
I'd be willing to bet they have a common failure that requires the replacement of an unobtainium part.

>>10455942
I think that goes for most flyback related issues

>>10455949
of all flybacks, arcade monitor seems like it would be the most readily available type

>>10455854
Electric appliances repairmen have always been smug and arrogant. And this one is probably an old boomer, who learned he can charge RETRO GAMERS ridiculous amounts of money

I've been looking to set up an area to play some old games in my basement. This TV is free in my hood...can someone identify it and let me know if it's worth lugging it home? I don't know if it can detach from that stand, but either way I'd imagine it's a pain in the ass to move.

>>10456937
Looks like this one
Sony KV-27FS120
27" FD Trinitron® Wega® TV

>>10456937
Yeah, looks like a Sony WEGA
It’s most likely pretty heavy

>>10456954
>>10456956
Thanks boys. Looks like ~100lbs and of course awkward as fuck to move, but doable. Decent tv for old games?

>>10456965
Yeah component should be pretty nice on it. Since it's a Trinotron there should be a ton of information out there on it. A lot more than the Toshiba I use.

>>10455001
Now that I think of it... Why do PVMs even exist? I get the broadcast monitors, but why did they use low res 15KHz sets for medical imaging etc? Why not a VGA high res PC monitor?

>>10457016
>for medical imaging
didn't they use them as oscilloscopes?
I'd assume they used them more for the non VGA connections

>>10456937
keep the stand bro

>>10457016
PVMs were almost never used for medical imaging or other high resolution applications.
For that purpose hospitals had high resolution monochrome monitors usually.
PVMs mostly existed for mastering content in studios or as security camera monitors.
In hospitals, there is the need for patient monitoring, connecting medical equipment like cameras, just having a display for machines to output to etc.
TLDR it was simply the standard for low resolution applications, they had better stuff for things like xrays and mammographie and the like
>>10457036
I highly doubt PVMs were ever really used for medical imagining, they printed these things out to get a proper look at them, they did not look at a tiny low res TV

You dont scalp/hoard CRTs, do you, /vr/?

Is it better to use a hacked Wii on a CRT television or emulate on a CRT monitor?

>>10458585
Only for personal use, got a dozen in storage, just so I can sleep well knowing I have enough to last till I die.

>>10433382
>pic

Here's some advice. Kill yourself

>>10458587
Emulate on a CRT TV.

>>10439846
/thread

>>10433382
adjust timings

>>10458585
Does 9 count as hoarding?

>>10439846
oh nooo weeeb shit, the horror!

>>10458587
Depends on the screens in question, priorities, personal taste, and what you're emulating. Ideally you have to just try both and see what you like, if you're between acquiring one or the other the monitor is a lot more flexible anyways but does create a lot more complications

>>10458585
Hoarding for the sake of hoarding/ having fun is good but hoarding for profit is bad
This "hussle" or whatever faggots are calling being obsessed with money nowadays is so sad to see to me.
Why does everything have to be about money?
fuck money!
And fuck the kikes and american cattle trying to make everything about money!

>>10458585
I have 8 tv crts that range from 9" to 27" that I got from a combination of local sales and getting free from work. I also have 5 crt computer monitors from said work. The 27" I'Art and the Panasonic >>10445782 are my big prizes imo, as the others just have composite. I had this one cross my path, but it was too big for me to take.

>>10458629
>but does create more complications
What do you mean?

>>10458645
*opens trench coat
psst buddy. Wanna buy a CRT?

>>10458685
if you want to play 240p games at their original resolution, you have to run either at 120hz with bfi or 480p with scanline filter

>>10458691
>buy
dude picks them up from the side of the road

>>10458568
then why did people get a bunch from hospital storage?

>>10458568
>PVMs for CCTV
LOL

>>10458748
didnt you read what I said?
They used them for patient monitoring, medical device output, CCTV, everything basically.
For things like mammographie they had 4K monochrome crts and other neat equipment.
>>10458753
yep.
Its more cummon then youd think

>>10458760
>Its more cummon then youd think
They used CCTV monitors, which *technically* are Professional Video Monitors but not the kind most people think about with the term PVM

>>10458772
You mean 240p downscaled through a potato?

>>10458778
analog CCTV was usually 480i

>>10458645
fucking based

>>10458685
Well for one thing PCs usually operate at 1:1 PAR and pre-HD consoles don't so your x/y adjustments are always going to be wrong for either desktop or emulation assuming you're using a vertical integer. To make that less abstract, at the generic 4:3 resolution of 640x480 my TV shows ~448 lines and my monitor shows 480.

>>10458703
I actually use 3840x960 to give a little more flexibility. Another thing is to be able to run games of different horizontal resolutions (commonly 256 and 320 for consoles, 384 for Capcom arcades, and sometimes to be really annoying 512) without ugly or blurry scaling you need to set a very high horizontal resolution and then once again your desktop aspect ratio will be fucked.

Also if having additional consoles to use on a TV is a possibility some PS1 and Saturn games do a lot of resolution switching and while inherently this isn't as big of an issue as it is for console on LCD setups that may black out during resolution switches it does make fixed PC resolutions less ideal for accuracy and mean you need smart scanlines and not a basic overlay to not mangle 480i menus and such. It's just a lot more to worry about while Wii just werks once you have everything installed. Obviously a lot better/more cost effective controller support on PC too if you'd prefer not to use a Nintendo controller for everything, that extra bit of emulation accuracy and performance, and more consoles supported given Wii is not the way to go for anything past 16 bit. Otherwise PC monitors are a credible alternative to like, an RGB PVM in terms of visuals but quite different from composite on a consumer TV.

>>10458772
It depends.
sometimes they were BW cctv monitors sure, other times they were just color PVMs.
hospitals budget is immense.
I mean if hospitals cared about budget they wouldnt have been using PVMs in the first place.

>>10458808
yeah it's called super resolution

>>10458808
>it does make fixed PC resolutions less ideal
RetroArch automatically switches resolutions, all you have to do is make sure is that you have the modelines
It "just werks" once you set it up

>>10458853
Does that ever actually work properly on a monitor and not a TV? Actually just having to deal with Retroarch in general is one of the downsides on PC for me, I'll have it set up to launch on my 4th monitor at the right resolution and then come back two months later and it will launch on the wrong monitor or at the wrong resolution. Not an issue in a single monitor set up, maybe not even in a dual monitor one but it has pretty bad multiple monitor handling anyways.

>>10458868
>Does that ever actually work properly on a monitor and not a TV?
Ah I thought you were talking about TVs, no idea if there's a method to do it with 31kHz+ monitors, pretty sure it needs the exact modeline, so line doubled or double the refresh rate won't work

>come back two months later and it will launch on the wrong monitor or at the wrong resolution.
Did you shuffle around your outputs or something? Never had such problems, unless it was my own fault
Otherwise RetroArch has been set and forget for me

>>10439846
how new are you?

>>10458585
i grab as many crts as i can because i know they'll be thrown out otherwise. curb alerts and the like. i've never picked up a crt with the intention of reselling it and i like to give others a chance on free listings before i take it. i haven't given any away yet but i will at some point.

>>10458760
can you give an example of a hi-res monochrome monitor? all i can think of is that tall apple monitor

Current rhythm game setup

>>10459129
>200khz
>Can easily resolve 4k resolution
this is peak medical crt

>>10459227
>pop'n music
Pretty cool, anon. Wish I could play it well, but anything >5 lanes on buttons confuses the hell out of me, while I have no problems with 7/9 on a touchscreen or even WACCA's circular design cab.

>>10458608
how do i do that? theres no options for it in the catalyst control center

>>10458585
I would, if I had the space for it

>>10459641
Like anything it’s practice. I still can’t figure out osu!mania 7k but I can play 30s on popn

>>10459802
CRU, there's guides online, Google
Be careful though, don't modify your main monitor, even though it's easy to reset or accidentally make 31kHz modes for your TV

>>10459407
mirin'

Anyone recognize these models?

>>10460408
Look like AIWA to me

If I want a CRT capable of progressive scan to use my GameCube and PS2's component cables on, is a multiformat PVM my only option, as I've heard?

>>10461286
Pretty much, there's some consumer CRT TVs that do progressive scan over component but those are rare.
If you'd use RGB, there would be more options, like multisync/scan monitors, but then you'd need to build or get a sync stripper too if the monitor doesn't accept RGsB (some do), at least for the PS2.

>>10461345
Kind of pointless to use progressive scan for PS2 I think
The console is known for being interlaced
He should just look for a TV that does interlaced without judder

>>10461395
>The console is known for being interlaced
It can do progressive though, and wouldn't that look nicer than seeing interlaced?
>>10461345
>Pretty much
Goddamnit. Out of curiosity, which CRT TVs can do progressive scan? I know they must have been out there because PS2 came out in 2000 and GameCube came out in 2001, so there must have been some CRTs capable of this technology back then.

>>10461428
PS2 progressive scan is basically always lower color depth and/or resolution to save VRAM (actually so is Gamecube)

>>10461428
Don't know the models by heart, I'm sure you can find some by Googling.

I had a dual setup for my PS2, I split the RGB signal, one went to SCART behind a CRT TV and the other went to a CRT VGA monitor that supported RGsB. Used one for interlaced and the other for progressive, I remember there was a utility, GSM I think, that could force progressive on non-supported games too, I think later OPL got that functionality integrated.

>>10460561
More like AIMI

Either of these decent quality tubes? I know the Apex probably isn't, but it has S-video.

>>10461972
They look like TVs that were made towards the end of CRTs being made. One of the last CRT factories was located in Mexico before it closed in 2008.

>Finally got a Wii
>Could use composite on a big Trinitron or component on a smaller Wega
What do you guys think? Or should I alternate depending on whether I want to play actual Wii/Gamecube games or emulate older stuff? Would component affect the 240p output quality?

>>10462023
Even after CRTs ceased production in places like Mexico and Brazil, they continued to produced for a while longer in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Mainland China, Hong Kong, and India.

>>10462212
Running at 240p/480i doesnt change which video signal to use; component/rgb is always the best thing to use. I'd use S-video on the trinitron if possible but if it's really composite only, I'd only run stuff that's better or only can be used with composite (NES, Genesis, PSX) and run stuff like PS2 and SNES with component on the wega. Really depends on the actual sizes though, if your "big trinitron" is 32 inches and your "small vega" is 27, I'd use the wega always.

>>10462265
Interesting. My Trinitron does have S-video, but I don't have the proper cable for it. The trinitron is a KV-24FV12, so 24 inches, while the Wega is around 18; not exactly the biggest nor smaller TVs out there.

>>10462212
If you're only playing 240p, composite is acceptable, preferable if you like blended sprites
At 480i, I think composite is completely unacceptable

>>10462212
>alternate depending on whether I want to play actual Wii/Gamecube games or emulate older stuff?
It's what I would probably do, but really you may as well just try stuff and see what you like, even if the TVs are a pain in the ass to move, a Wii is not.

>>10439828
>t. roastie

>>10462347
>>10462372
I do want more accuracy, so 240p for older stuff is a must. I'll just move it around then, I don't plan on playing actual Wii games any time soon anyway.

What are you programmed to win at?

>>10462567
I wonder if AH3 can actually be made to output 4:3 without the borders. I'm not really sure what's up with those scanlines though, Arcana Heart has big 640x480 screen size sprites like GGX

>>10462597
>I'm not really sure what's up with those scanlines
It's a still image

>>10462601
Huh I didn't think you'd see interlacing scanlines outside of specialized photography for some reason but I guess shutter speeds are typically faster than screen refreshes.

>>10462606
Try it yourself

>>10461450
I dunno, to me, left actually looks better.

>>10462610
It's actually kind of mindfucking because looking at the picture if I'm zoomed out too far I obviously see nothing and if I'm zoomed in too much they start merging into the mask grid. By the way that gets so fucking chunky at the edges of a cheap flat screen. The lines are also almost completely bloomed out on whites and other bright colors in my shots.

>>10462245
>Pakistan, Bangladesh, Mainland China, Hong Kong, and India.
Is that so? The story I read was that the last real factory (run by a major manufacturer) was in Mexico. It might have been Panasonic or Toshiba.

Then the factory closed and China bought the CRT factory machines, and tried to do it themselves but they struggled and had severe quality issues. So they eventually gave up.

I'm curious about the quality of Indian made CRTs VS China

>>10462638
Well keep in mind that still shots of deinterlaced 480i look a lot worse than actual 480i unless you're super sensitive to jitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo3BEvmaMIM#t=55m50s
Of course 480p on a CRT TV won't look as jagged as on an HD monitor either.

>>10462660
Jitter is also dependant on your CRT
Mine has none

the ps2 looks like shit regardless of mode, signal type or display, it fucking sucks because too many good games are stuck on that pile of shit

>>10462679
Oh look, it's this anon again
get a better TV

>>10462683
i've got a perfectly good 27 inch 15khz fd trinitron and through component it still looks like shit
are you saying i should get a bvm so that ps2 games can start looking close to acceptable? even though that's not a problem with any other 6th gen console?

>>10462685
>it still looks like shit
Well there's something wrong with your PS2 then
My PS2 picture is identical to my XBox and my GC

>>10462690
you must be blind then

>>10462693
So, either everyone is wrong or just you are wrong
hmmmm, tough choice
I bet you have a HDCRT or some shit and it's doing some shitty 480p upscaling

>>10462701
>15khz
>HDCRT
yep, totally

>>10462741
Well, you're definitely doing something wrong anon
dunno what to tell you

>>10462762
>shitty photo from reddit of one out of the few games on ps2 that runs at 240p
wow, you sure are proving me wrong
actual, native ps2 games look like shit at 480i on a 15khz crt and they look like shit on 480p on any display

>>10462769
>Uses 240p image to show his argument
>Responds with another 240p image
>Ackshually 480i is shit
Yep, it's definitely your TV

>>10462780
>having reading comprehension this fucking bad
don't post again

>>10462786
Wallow in your misery
I’ll enjoy my clean PS2 output on my 28” CRT

>>10462807
you don't even have a crt since you had to pull images from reddit faggot

>>10462809
No, I use a reddit image because it’s easy to prove you wrong but not worth the effort to do so myself

>>10462606
If you take a picture at 1/60 shutter speed, it will only show one field.

>>10462685
>>10462683
>>10462679

Nigger 6th gen consoles have a deflicker filter because crts dont deinterlace.

We know 6th gen consoles look soft. Progressive mode should turn the filter off and make the image way sharper.

>>10463709
You can easily compare filter vs unfiltered with smash melee which you can turn the deflicker filter on or off.

>>10463709
dumbest fucking post i've ever seen in my fucking life

>>10463709
>because crts dont deinterlace
Why on earth would a CRT need to deinterlace?

>>10464861
Flicker. I use a flicker fixer for interlaced resolutions on CRT monitors too.
Monitors are usually sharper but with faster phosphors, so interlacing flickers more, TVs use slower phosphors, so interlace flicker isn't really noticeable.

>>10464882
thats stupid and you are stupid.
Especially on crt monitors where interlaced refresh rates get so high that flicker isnt an issue at all anymore

>>10464894
What are you on about? How else am I supposed to use old consoles and microcomputers that output interlaced 15kHz or 31kHz on a CRT VGA monitor?

>>10464917
>How else am I supposed to use old consoles and microcomputers that output interlaced 15kHz or 31kHz on a CRT VGA monitor?
Why would you do that?
Just get a 15khz TV or monitor, the experience will be better without the need for upscalers and unecessary middleman solutions.
With what you are doing, might aswell just emulate on a PC

>>10464943
To be able to use a better quality and sharper monitor instead of a TV?

Who was talking about upscalers? Flicker fixers / Line doublers have been a thing since the hardware people use them with was still current.

>>10464969
I don't think anon understands what you're even talking about

>>10464969
I know what a linedoubler is, still why?
15khz monitors are cheap and the intended way to use these old computers
PC crts are better for more modern systems

>>10464882
But you are using a monitor to be sharper, then you are softening the image which completely defeats the purpose of that
You are weird anon

If you can't appreciate the PS2's picture quality on a CRT, even when using component cables, then there's really no way out.
-Using even the best of scalers will invariably result in deinterlacing artifacts on Motion Adaptive
-Upscaling such low resolutions just results in a more pixelated picture
-Digital mods wont magically increase the internal rendering resolution, so it will still have a low res look

I'm not sure what kind of miracle people expect from the PS2, but low resolution sources will never have the clean appareance of a higher internal resolution picture.
If you want to enjoy the PS2, and other 6th consoles, accepting the jaggies and alias is essential.
A CRT is capable of masking and softening the harsh look of low resolution sources, specially if we're talking about 480i. Which is why complaining about the PS2's picture on a PS2 makes 0 sense.

If you can't appreciate the PS2's picture quality on a CRT, even when using component cables, then there's really no way out.
-Using even the best of scalers will invariably result in deinterlacing artifacts on Motion Adaptive
-Upscaling such low resolutions just results in a more pixelated picture
-Digital mods wont magically increase the internal rendering resolution, so it will still have a low res look

I'm not sure what kind of miracle people expect from the PS2, but low resolution sources will never have the clean appareance of a higher internal resolution picture.
If you want to enjoy the PS2, and other 6th consoles, accepting the jaggies and aliasing is essential.
A CRT is capable of masking and softening the harsh look of low resolution sources, specially if we're talking about 480i. Which is why complaining about the PS2's picture on a CRT makes 0 sense.

>>10464980
PCs weren't the only things to use modes that were more than 15khz and VGA is from the late 80's anyways

>>10464980
If I used a 15kHz only monitor, I wouldn't be able to use 31kHz+ modes. The indented way for some of those systems were literally Multisync monitors.
I could use a old Multisync capable monitor, but why would I if I could use something better quality / sharper, bigger and more common.

>>10464993
How does it soften the image?

>>10461450
I'm with the other guy, left looks better to me too

>>10432287
Does anyone else got scoutimg for these. I currently own 4 CRT and am about to maybe score first PVM. That shits addicitng yo. But the zero latecy feel of the friggin things can be replicated any other way.

>>10465010
>reddit photo of a tv with tvl so low that component looks like composite
every time