/vr/ - Retro Games

>>1045879
dark caco for first

I looked up prisoner 849 on Google and got this.
Is this her?

>>1045894

Yyyyyep, it's her

>>1045894
Yes

Fourth for best plushie

>>1045879
you forgot to mention 88alice's wad http://ux.getuploader.com/mizutaki/download/7/kusok.zip or http://www.sendspace.com/file/xqr7uc

>>1045894
>>1045896
>tfw there is zero non-porn not-shitty art of her
not that I mind porn, but I also like stuff I can look at while people are around

>>1045904

Ah shit, you're right, my bad. Would someone dump her Doom kawaii art?

Eighth for shitty Unreal fan-art.

>>1045917
Ill dump what I have

>>1045919

tenth for arnold schwarzenegger in drag

>>1045925
well most of the stuff i ahve is already in the other thread and I cant dump it because the other thread still exist

damn this pic is ugly

>>1045890
I tried that, but still no dice. None of the three files seem to work.

>>1045904
her wad is good, but sometimes it's just assholeish.
like that huge ass elevator where you totally expect a cyberdemon. bleep, wrong, check behind you.

oh, and there's also the "nice corpses you have here, it'd be a shame if someone resurrected everyone" and the 3spooky5me skeletons

i'm enjoying that map, but yeah sometimes it's really frustrating

>>1045904
what the heck is the 88alice stuff?
A japanese neo-nazi who likes doom?

>>1045925
>Dat curly Q
>Every time

Fucking Plutonia was made by some sadistic motherfuckers. Oh you want to strafe here? Lets put some fucking demon candles here. Fall off a ledge here? DEAD. Fucking just dead. Isnt some damage from whatever painful floor while you find the telepad out enough?

Anyone have some other fun WADS i should try? Ive only played 1 2 Plutonia and Evilution.

>do search yesterday looking for UT2k4 Sapphire skin into doom
>nothing but Doom into UT2k4 instead
Come on there's like millions of other things ported into doom already why not this?

>>1045949
the girl who draws all the cute pictures like >>1045925 on pixiv made a map. two maps actually, i still haven't played the second one. they're very good, very competently made, better than a lot of well known current map designers put out in my opinion.

>>1045960

>>1045960
demon candles, what are you on about? which map of plutonia?

>>1045960

>Anyone have some other fun WADS i should try?

impse compiled the "100 wads of all time" special from Doomworld, and also someone did the best single player maps so far of this year, check the OP

>>1045904
With a name like kusok, I expected some kind of joke wad, not something that's actually pretty decent.

>>1045960
Plutonia > Doom 2

>>1045970
Its just a light fixture with a demonic theme, not an enemy, just a mother fucking annoyance while im trying to strafe. its like they are everywhere.

>>1045980
consider me agitated

>>1045985
>Plutonia > Doom 2

Meh, challenge isn't everything. I appreciate the work they put into it and it's a great collection of ideas/tricks for the era but stuff like all the chaingunners everywhere make it a historical note rather than something fun to play for me.

>>1045960
I hate to say this, but TNT Evilution was so uninteresting to me.

>>1045960
http://www.doomworld.com/10years/bestwads/

Play every WAD right away on UV and never lower it.

>>1045980
ZXLCJKBKLJASDOISALKJGIRISUE
JESUS CHRIST

>>1045971
Of the 100 greatest, do you have a favorite?

>>1045904
Giving this a shot now, thanks.

>>1046028
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?id=12227

http://pastebin.com/XSVn3zzJ

>>1046019
Cold as Hell

>>1045998
>Play every WAD right away

That's dumb. There's 100 of them, for starters, and because the list is 10 per year there's a lot of "okay... for 1994" in there. I don't know why people like to make those huge list recommendations but it's not like anyone is going to go through and play all of them.

A better approach is to try to figure out what style someone likes (super detailed, old school, slaughterfest, on the easy side, atmospheric, hellish, etc.) and go from there. Or just stick with the standards like Scythe and AV.

>>1045925
Here's another one.

>>1046051
>>1045925
>>1045904
How did this Japanese girl get into doom, so strange.

>>1046059
I dont know, we could ask her I suppose, but I dont think anyone here can speak moonrune.

>>1046041
I'm playing everyone of them, even the shitty ones.

Is samsara any good in DM or is it really balanced for CTF?

>>1046041
Ive played 1 2 plutonia and evilution, plutonia is a little of a grind with so many chaingunners all over the place, though I like the level layout of it. Im not looking to play babbys first doom or anything either. You say Scythe and AV would be a good couple to start on?

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19577757

>>1045904
Map 1 wasn't bad at all. Detail-wise it looks like she studied Tormentor's guide religiously and ran with it but it looks and plays decent. Nothing amazing, but decent.

dat stats screen tho

>>1046062
Could try sending a message in English, got a slight chance she'll somewhat understand it.

>>1046090
Here's a clean one from her pixiv too.

>>1046086
AV is considered classic and although people here will argue over whether it still deserves its reputation, it's a fine collection of 32 maps.

It's also a good demo because 1) it's got a variety of mapping styles, so you can say "I want more like that castle map" or "more like that hell map", 2) the later maps show how bonkers the difficulty can get with custom maps in the Doom community, and 3) it doesn't rely on fancy sourceport effects.

If 3) is your thing, though, and you want to see all the fancy doo-das that GZDoom can do, play the Ultimate Torment and Torture.

>>1046108
>Ultimate Torment and Torture.

Actually screw that, play Thunderpeak, it's a better example of insane detailing/custom effects and gets right to the point. UTNT can drag on a bit and doesn't really get crazy until the later maps.

>>1045904
is there any other good japanese wad?

>>1046107
how do we even know if its a girl

>>1046170
Because believe it or not, women aren't angelic intangible creatures who dare not grace slovenly men with their presence.

>>1046117
http://srod.nobody.jp/mywads/mywads.html

Does anyone by chance know where one might find a wolf3d.iwad? I'm having trouble finding one at all, and there's always one little co-op server in Zandronum that I've wanted to join to play through the game (I've only played the first chapter because I could only find a demo version).

Huh, anyone happen to know what this is from? Tried reverse image search and got nothing.

Found from this Doom-themed Japanese Twitter:
https://twitter.com/Doooooooooomguy/status/374907328878755840

>>1046041
>there's a lot of "okay... for 1994" in there
Yeah, anything before 1997 is pretty much unplayable nowadays.

>>1046273
>Memento Mori
>Unplayable

>>1046273
i completely disagree. in fact i think this is bait but whatever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj60rvkjBO4

>>1046273
Get out.

>>1046280
Memento Mori is solid but I can't think of any reason to recommend it over dozens of other wads at this point. It's just a standard, decent, easyish mapset.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SG&hl=en-GB&v=zzol5AqC3BI

Haha it looks so bad.

What's the deal with Brutal Doom v. 18a?
The minigun script has been monkeyed with and now it's invalided.

>>1045904
>>1046090
Wow, Map 2 was pretty impressive! Still a lot of copypaste/prefab detailing but some very nice architecture and effects. It's a big long, but ammo is plentiful.

>>1045948
I didn't think anything was assholish. It shows you the teleporters beforehand and you get a window that shows the vile doing their dirty work behind you after you get the key.

>>1046284
LE EPIC BAIT DESU XD

Quit pretending you're oldschool when every thread is ZDoom this and Decorate that.

>>1046315
Humanoids look bad but the cacos are kinda cute. Probably because it's easier to translate a supposed sphere into 3D.

Also, I like that remixed music quite a bit. It still sounds like the original but with crisper, fuller instruments, and not a shitty metal guitar remix like everyone does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83fWwINyLKk

http://wadaholic.wordpress.com/

this is never going to be released?

>>1046176
what

>>1046325
thanks for confirming you were trolling

>>1046350
If that's real footage it looks really impressive for the Doom engine, but whenever I see something like this I think, "Why Doom?" Surely it'd be easier and more practical to do something like this in another engine if you need that level of custom assets and added features anyway?

>>1046363
actually never mind i don't know why i replied, i'll delete

2ch thread: http://kohada.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gamef/1366801768/

>>1046383

>>1046395
No, dad no.

Man, e3m8 has to be the most anticlimatic final boss level I've ever played. Good music though.

>>1046428
E3M8 is a little better when you play it from a pistol start. A little.

>>1046359
>implying you aren't externalizing your shame of being male every time you say ">girl" or "no girls on the internet"

>>1046428
Yeah. Not even map30 was as anticlimatic, and that was quite an anticlimax of its own.

>>1046428
The Spider Mastermind itself is a pretty nonsensical final boss.

Uh, the commander of an army of demons is a giant brain on robot spider legs? Yeah, that makes sense.

>>1046350
Eh, doesn't exactly grab my interest.

>>1046395
Ugly as sin

>>1046217
Stronghold. Thats a multiplayer screenie, methinks

So I'm putting together a non-crappy music version of the idl2012 CTF mapset for /vr/'s use, and I was wondering whether more people wanted:

A) MIDI music

B) actual songs (mp3 or ogg or whatever)

In either case I'll strive to keep the filesize down and choose appropriate music.

>>1046383
This gave me an idea.. How about some Doom ASCII art

>>1046524
MIDI, I like to hear the remixes.

If there's a joke map or two then joke music in MP3 is fine.

>>1046524
Since not everyone knows how to set up a decent softsynth, I think you should use Ogg Vorbis.

Even if they're soundfont conversions from MIDI, just so it sounds the same for everyone.

I really hope you guys aren't using the shitty MSGS Wavetable Synth that comes with DirectX. Also Quicktime Music Synthesiser uses the same soundset. Trufax.

>>1046432
but i just asked how we knew if it was a girl

I just finished playing All Hell is Breaking Loose. Well, that was weird.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?id=6480

>>1046554

>>1046556

>>1046558

>>1046554
This looks kinda shitty. Was it any fun or just a weird footnote?

>>1046560
It's a really fun wad.

>>1045980
Looks like something out of Unreal or Painkiller

And speaking of Dooming not being as easy as some people think...

Some more progress on the start area. It will lead to some sort of big indoor atrium with fleshy pillars.

>>1047079

Looks nice! If slaughtermap fetichist were around our threads they would be imploring you to add thousands of cacos in that place

Sometimes I don't get why some people think that the most fine-ass architecture ever mapped in Doom needs to be contaminated by hundreds of dead bodies, specially revenants.

>>1047081
Well to be honest this is going to be a kind of slaughtermap. Not on the crazy levels of, say, Sunder, but there will be lots and lots of monsters. I hope to place them in an intelligent manner rather than ye olde horde.

>>1047079
looks a bit like quake
i like it

>>1047117
Thanks. Most of these textures are from Nehahra, which is an awesome mod for Quake.

>>1046524
why not just use idl2013.wad

>>1046536
Because only a girl could draw something like >>1046107.

>>1047079
which port are you making this for? vanilla/limit-removing/boom-compatible/zdoom-only etc.

>>1046560
>>1046569
it's a bit strange but very good.

it's quite hard to get running properly in a source port; its dehacked patch does a few things that violate assumptions in several engines' dehacked parsers.

>>1047170
ZDoom, and I'm using GZDoom to run it.

>>1047182
okay fair enough, if you were intending it to run on a wider range of engines i was going to point out that several of the hanging corpses would block players trying to run under them, but if you're tying it to zdoom anyway i don't need to.

>>1045971
>impse compiled the "100 wads of all time" special from Doomworld
Where?

>>1047205

The website in the OP has a link. I wonder if he can't put it right at the first post 'cause of char limit

>used to mapping in a legacy-like format
>want to transition from that to the format that zandronum and whatnot uses

Any tips?

>>1047210
legacy as in Doom Legacy?

>>1047210

zandronum, as far as I know, uses Zdoom in Hexen format, there's another one, ZDoom in UDMF, which seems to be even more complex, but I'm not quite sure about it since I've not experimented with it, to be honest

>>1047210
UDMF all day erryday. It stands for Ultimate Doom Map Format, and was meant to be the most complex and use all the existing source ports' features.

Ok everyone, i got the top 100 WADS downloaded now. I cannot seem to get any of them to show up in my zdoom when it runs the list pop up that all my doom 1 2 plutonia evilution hexen and all that from that pack. Any suggestions?

>>1047363
The pop up list is only for IWADs, which are things like "Doom2.wad" that contain the base resources for the game.

There are multiple ways of playing a PWAD but the easiest is probably to drag the PWAD onto ZDoom.exe, then select the IWAD that it was designed to run with (most PWADs run with Doom 2).

3spooky5me

>>1047541
is that from army of darkness? i think those things ended up being donated to freedoom

>>1047613
>is that from army of darkness?
Yes sir.

>i think those things ended up being donated to freedoom
You're right.

Pic related: Flame Bringer, aka Freedoom Arch-vile.

Anyone has played Beyond Reality? Is it any good?

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=16974

>>1047621
Gee, I dunno, why not download the 20 MB file and try it out

>>1047621
It's fucking great.

We're in the samsara invasion server if people wanna join.

:: [BE] New York :: /vr/ samsara invasion blah blah blah

pass: vidya

>>1047169
i dont know man i've seen men draw really kawaii shit before

>>1047616

>>1047621

> Jack101

Worth the download. Like, seriously.

If you niggas restrain yourselves from works bigger than 20MBs you're not doing yourselves any favour in discovering great stuff

ZDCMP2 it's like 63MB, and it's a potential Cacoward winner, unless Gez doesn't move it won't finally see the light of the day.

Server: /vr/ samsara invasion blah blah blah
Password: vidya

We're getting wrecked and we need help.

>>1047665
>ZDCMP2

For me, it's not so much the download size with megawads like this as it is the number of maps and the time investment. I mean, I guess you can noclip through a map to see if it's interesting before you play it, but there are still 32, and you never know if it's going to turn into a boring switchfest or arena battle halfway and just drag on.

I usually wait for some reviews to pick out certain maps as must-sees.

Hypothetically whenever I start updating the Space Pirate (not that I'm not doing that now!), I was throwing around the idea of doing a livestream, kind of answering questions and random bullshit anyone might have. Does that sound vaguely interesting?

>>1046529
>ascii
for god's sake man, it's *2013*
We have UNICODE

>>1047751
sure!
you really have nothing to lose from streaming after all

>>1047751
Might be cool, but be careful. Another anon got banned for a month for posting a link to his stream, even though other people asked for it.

>>1047751
what
>>1047769
said. post the link in a pastebin or you'll risk being autobanned

>>1047751
>>1047767
>>1047769
>>1047771

You're oftenly in the IRC, right? Post the url in there. And you won't have any problems at all

If people want to join us, they could get in the IRC for the link

How come quake guy makes everyone else lag in samsara?

>>1047782
it's one of his splodey weapons that does it

>>1047659
But drawing demons kawaii isn't one of them.
Girls mostly have a turning something ugly into cute fetish on the internet.

>>1046536
The fact that you even question it means you see femininity as a higher state of being. You wouldn't ask "how do we know that's really a man?"

>>1047819
How does he hold all his guns with those noodlearms?

>>1047828
Don't be sexist, women can be space marines too!

>>1047830
I was referring specifically to that image of the Doomguy, though.

>>1047840
It's not a doomguy, it's a doomgirl.

>>1047851
Crash was manlier than that.

>>1047849
I was under the impression those boobs were that one part of his armor, but alright.

Those're still noodly arms though.

>>1046273
>Yeah, anything before 1997 is pretty much unplayable nowadays.

Only if your a detail fag, and a slaughter fag.

Anyone who actually likes the gameplay and detail of the Iwads should play most 95-96 megawads.

>>1047819
holy shit imagine a DECORATE version of Charlotte!

>>1047828 >>1047830 >>1047840 >>1047849 >>1047851 >>1047852
you lot aren't getting the reference i reckon

A dude from the Duke4.net forums posted what happens to be a Doom-clone made by a taiwanese company, it's called MARS 3D

It borrows some stuff from Doom, Duke Nukem and whatever the fuck else. Here's some gameplay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TUO56YOyjg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aDckM-PaxE

This is the final boss, embrace yourselves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDBUzMuSKyo

The game can be downloaded here

http://pastebin.com/M0nxuWbF

It's 39MB, it has a 490MB zipped .ISO image and it needs to be mounted to make the game work or some shit like that; naturally, I've been trying for the past two hours to get the resources, but no dice.

>>1048047
Holy shit this is hilarious

>>1048047
wait those textures are ripped straight from Doom

>>1048067
He did say right in the post that it "borrows" stuff from Doom, and Duke.

>>1048047
>kissu my ass kissu my ass kissu my ass

>>1048074
I thought that would be mechanics and whatnot

>>1048047
DAYMN IT

>>1048047
Looks like the Build engine, not Doom. But I think I saw some ripped Doom textures in there somewhere.

Since it was never released I wonder if the sounds were meant to be silly placeholders in an unfinished alpha. Doom alphas had shitty sound effects at the time, too.

>>1048080

Speaking of that, people are trying to figure it out what kind of engine it is. Some say it's Build.

>>1048092
>>1048089
It looks alot like Shadow Warrior to me.

>>1048047
Looking at the EXE in a hex editor makes me think it's modification of the Doom engine...though the video makes me think otherwise.

>>1047210
Is that... SRB2?

>>1047275
No, it's Universal Doom Map Format, because it was intended to be Universal and whatnot.

I'm guessing that the forum thread speculation is correct and it's actually a new engine, reverse-engineered/copied from bits of Build and Doom. Kinda like how if you looked at Dark Forces you might think it was basically the Doom engine, but it's actually a from-scratch copy, hence the unusual features.

>>1048047
dat final boss
TC when? i'm sure it can be pretty fine on a modern port

>>1048047
Found this bit of string inside the TIME.FLC file (which turns out to be a FLIC video file)
Z:\3DPRJ\MARS\ART\DEUTEX\NEW\TIME.FLC
So, guessing they used DeuTex for taking stuff from Doom? (would make sense)

>>1048047
>game crashes just as the ending cutscene stops
12/10 programming right there

>>1048047
Sooo.....new character for Samsara?
Would love to have others KISSU MY ASS in multiplayer

>>1048219

What happened?

Where the hell's digger?

>>1048221
For one he still hasn't restarted the server with the patch, and he forgot the BFG Stay command

AT LAST

PIRATE DOOM IS DONE

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=707611#p707611
http://www.confrariadacosta.com.br/piratedoom/PirateDoom.zip

I swear, if this thing doesn't win a Cacoward...

>>1048340
why won't it load for me?

>>1048357

What are you using? Try loading it with no addons or extra stuff at all

Well, that was a fun timekiller.

>>1048357
Update your G/ZDoom m8

Well, I hate to ruin the way you all see PSX Doom, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QoI57YXK2do#t=36

DAAAAAANNNNNNNYYYYYYY

>>1048358
>>1048363
I'm using the 1.2 version of Zandronum and any other wad runs fine

>>1048374

>Zandronum

Ahhh, there you go. Get GZDoom, it should run it fine

>>1048365

Holy shit

>>1048112
>M_ULTRA

you're probably right, you can even see the doom difficulties in there

>>1048365
But what did Danny win?

>>1048360
So you beat that map after all

>>1048410
Almost ate it with the boss. But I managed to spear my way to victory.

>>1048417
So wanna have another go?
I dont want to play alone.

arse i got 2/3 through kusok map02 and died in the plasma gun corridor when the teleporter went off. damn you alice!! haha only joking. was expecting something to come out of the lift at the far end so i ran back to the start only to be surrounded by teleporting monsters, and died.

oh well it was a great 36 minutes of careful exploration. i got two secrets, a partial invis by the red door and a soulsphere i didn't need in the sewer system. i think i missed an early plasma gun though as the map was otherwise giving me a lot of ammunition for a gun i didn't have...

(obviously trying to do UVmax without savegames—incidentally the map giving you a shotgun in the first room is in my opinion an almost certain sign that you're meant to do it from a pistol start)

i will beat this map. but not today.

One day, I will make the best doom wad ever.

Just wait.

>>1048420
Digger needs to get his shit together.

>>1048452
me too
i've already got 5 maps done
only 27 more needed

on the other hand i've had 5 and only 5 maps done for about 8 years so don't hold your breath

>>1048452
good luck
i am planning on replacing every in game model with a 40k version.
I want to play this so bad already

>>1048430
>i think i missed an early plasma gun though as the map was otherwise giving me a lot of ammunition

I didn't find a plasma secret, but there is a BFG secret. Problem is, surviving after you get the BFG is probably harder than anything else in the level if you're playing without saves...

>>1048459
Are they good at least?

>>1048340
Awesome.

>>1048474
haha, well, obviously i would like to think so!

>>1048430
there is a megasphere secret too
hint: it's in the room before the two teleporters that bring chaingunners
and a blue armor in the boxes room
hint on the sewers secret? i didn't get much further, fucking 3spooky5me revenants

It's that time of the night again, folks.

Server: /vr/ samsara invasion blah blah blah
Password: vidya

>>1048548
Im trying to get in but my internet begs to differ.

>>1047894
Not at all, what the fuck is supposed to be?

>>1048454
>>1048276
>>1048219

I offered to make another server but was told it wasn't in good form.

>>1048534
it's kind of hard to describe but i will try without giving too much away

there is a slightly misaligned wall texture in one of the passages in the sewer slime maze that is otherwise relatively featureless and leads to a dead end. it's very hard to spot unless you have the light goggles.

however it is visible on the automap (especially in prboom which draws closed doors differently to ceiling height changes, unlike zdoom which seems to have no option for this)

>>1048464
wow you're not kidding! nice picture on the wall though

I hate this shit.

>>1048454
I do.

I just wish the Best Ever server wad list wasn't so convuluted. Thank Hall for Ctrl + F. That, and I need to save the command I use to set it up. Ugh. I always have to re-lookup the wads and pk3's.

That said, I'll go ahead and get a new server going, patched, and working.

>>1048627
What is it? Looks like babby's first amateur wad, someone's probably going to call me out for not recognizing something classic though.

Oh look, a server, with patches! And less screw-ups! GO 2 IT.

Server: /vr/ Samsara Invasion with the same maps you love and hate.

Pass: vidya

>>1048340
this is gold

>>1048703
Icarus map12.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?id=5191

>>1048715
Ah, alright, thanks. I guess I can't be too hard on something from '96.

If you had to rank all of the Doom II monsters by their killing priority (i.e., how big a threat they are, and how much you should focus on dispatching them compared to other monsters), what would your list look like? Obviously things like location, cover, how many of a certain type of monster are around, etc. should factor in, but generally I think I'd rank it as so:

Cyberdemon
Arch-vile
Spider Mastermind
Revenant
Pain Elemental
Baron of Hell
Mancubus
Hell Knight
Chaingunner
Cacodemon
Lost Soul
Shotgun Guy
Imp
Zombieman

>>1048753
any hitscanners should ALWAYS have top priority

>>1048753
>how big a threat they are, and how much you should focus on dispatching them compared to other monsters

Eh, these are often two completely different metrics. Cyberdemons are definitely near the top for "threat to me" but I almost never give them top priority as a target. They take longer to kill and they can kill a LOT of other monsters if I can start infighting.

One of the reasons Doom is still fun to play is because the interplay of the monsters and the setups the mapper create can drastically change the threat/priority rankings.

But, as a general rule for what to kill first, for me it's something like:

Arch-Vile
.
.
Pain Elemental
Revenant
Mancubus
Chaingunner
Sargeant

Everything else is more or less equal or on a case-by-case basis. Barons marching in can be the worst in tight spaces, stray lost souls can be a surprisingly huge pain in open areas, etc. etc.

pic absolutely not related, lol

>>1048753
Chaingunner
Shotgunner
Archvile
Rifleguy
Pain elemental
Revenant
Lost soul
Pinky
Spiderbot
Caco
Imp
Baron
Knight
Spiderboss
Cyberdemon

>>1048758
Also, pinkies and lost souls should be high priority, since their whole purposes is to get in your way and make it hard to maneuver.

>>1048778
Because bald women are sexy.

Do not respond to shitposters, in fact, hide this post as well.

>>1048753
Pain Elemental
Arch-Vile
Chaingunner
Revenant
Shotgun Guy
Zombieman
Spider Demon
Everything else in order of how close it is to me

>>1048778
>Why am I so bald?
>I possess an imp-like appearance

>>1048778
Forgot to mention, this list obviously changes depending on the environment. Distance-closers/trappers take higher priority if it's a tight space, though that's inevitable since they're going to be in your face anyway.

>>1048753
Doomguy
Chaingunner
Shotgunner
Pain Elemental
ArchVile
Pistol faggot
Imp
Everything else indiscriminately

>>1046361
Probably because
1) they already knew Doom.
2) Doom has such an active community that they can be guaranteed players for making almost anything remotely interesting.

>>1046395
Oh god, what the fuck.

>>1046273
>Yeah, anything before 1997 is pretty much unplayable nowadays.

....But 1995 and 1996 spawned some of the greatest wads in the classic era. If you simply can't enjoy them because you've been spoilt by the detail/difficulty/features of modern wads, then I'd be surprised if you even enjoy the iwads in themselves. Hell, its a wonder you even play Doom if thats your attitude.

>>1047078
If he was playing keyboard only, and with dosbox, then I can understand.

Doom is only seemingly easier to us since modern source ports we typically use allow for more modern screen resolutions and controls with uncapped framerate.

>>1048887
You know you could rebind controls in vanilla, right? You could even set up WASD+mouse.

>>1048882
Jesus, curb your autism. Different people like different things, and that comment is over a day old.

>MAN AND A HALF: THE HELL WAS THAT SCROTON

see

http://youtu.be/K-TxDO1xwOE

>>1048902
But not with mouselook, i assume?

>>1048930

looks like it's time to upgrade your toaster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGCY44UsB-A
OH MY GOD THIS IS AWESOME

>>1048918
>Different people like different things

Theres a difference between simply liking different things, and shitting on pre-97 wads as unplayable.

I'm fine with people who prefer zdoom, and I'm fine with people who prefer classic. But I'm not fine when one side shits on the other like its a fact.

>>1048930
Seriously, how do you manage to have a nice big screen like that and have a computer that chokes on Doom?

>>1048753

Varies on map-size, environment and monster placement, but usually:

Arch-vile
Chaingunner
Revenant
Zombie sergeant
Pain Elemental
Mancubus
Pinky
Lost Soul
Zombieman
Cacodemon
Spider Mastermind
Baron of Hell
Hell Knight
Cyberdemon
Imp

>>1048967
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gutCFMc5khY

>>1049053
epic.

>>1048753
My priority goes in this order:

Archvile
Spider Mastermind
Pain Elemental
Chaingunner
Shotgun guy
Lost Soul
Zombieman
Revenant
Cyberdemon
Baron of Hell
Hellknight
Mancubus
Cacodemon
Imp

SItuation pending, of course.

>>1048753
My priority goes in this order:

Archvile
Spider Mastermind
Pain Elemental
Chaingunner
Shotgun guy
Lost Soul
Zombieman
Revenant
Cyberdemon
Baron of Hell
Hellknight
Mancubus
Cacodemon
Imp

Situation pending, of course.

>>1048932
Technically speaking, with mouselook. It's just horizontal only.

>>1048464
okay it turns out there's a way to completely trivialise it (i was >>1048619)

>>1049375
does anyone ever use the term "mouselook" to mean "turning" though? i think not. not in Doom anyway.

>>1049383
Most often I see mouselook used to mean turning and freelook used to mean what you're thinking. This debate will never be resolved.

>>1049053
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gutCFMc5khY
Now you're just being a dickhead

Anon working on >>1047079 here.

So I have finally decided I'll be doing 3 huge-ass maps.
The one I'm working on at the moment is called Adramelech. It'll feature mostly Chaingunners/Revenants/Mancubi/Cacodemons/Imps and some Cyberdemons (I already have an idea how the final showdown will play). These maps will be designed to be pretty long to complete.

The second one is called Belial. It'll take place in some sort of meat processing plant; a huge factory with flesh everywhere, huge machines and pools of blood. This one will rely more on hitscanners, probably with hordes of shotgun dudes/chaingunners. It will also use Hell Knights/Barons, Arachnotrons and probably several Spiderdemons.

The last one is called Legion and will take place in an entirely different place, some sort of brown castle with wooden walkways over a black void. It'll also feature fleshy bits and will rely more on classic, non-cybernetic demons. There will be no former human enemies in this one and it will also feature the monster I hate the most; the Arch-Vile.

>>1049429
haha the lost soul on the right is annoyed at the one in front of it. get out of my way already

>>1049429

Keep in mind that some people like to test and balance their maps by following the pistol-start criteria. It's your decision to take that route or not

>>1047079
>>1049429
Shit, this sounds like it's gonna be radical. Good luck man, looking forward to playing it.

>>1049402
>Most often I see mouselook used to mean turning
where are you seeing this? nobody on doomworld or in the doom channels on oftc uses it this way. in fact i've never seen mouselook used to mean turning outside of these threads on /vr/

>>1049465
It's still /looking/ with the /mouse/.

>>1049429
>Playing an old wad
>Some asshole thought it would be funny to put Arch-Viles inside of hollow pillars randomly throughout the map

Dicks. I loved it.

>>1049469
first of all, you didn't answer the question.

secondly, it's not looking with the mouse, it's turning with the mouse. when you move the mouse your whole body turns, you're not just looking left and right.

see i can play the insufferable pedant game too, it's no fun for anyone.

i claim that the only people using mouselook to mean turning are pedants and people looking for arguments on anonymous image boards. i claim further that the vast majority of doom players who use the term mouselook use it to mean looking up and down, something the original game didn't have. there is no need for a term other than "using the mouse" for something the game had from day one.

Mouselook means holding down a button to look up and down with the mouse. Freelook is being able to look up and down without touching any buttons or keys. Because freelook is the default nowadays people tend to refer to it simply as mouselook and that is okay, though technically incorrect. Anybody who refers to mouse turning as mouselook is stupid and ugly.

If you've recently played a pWAD or a mod, post your thoughts using this

I have recently played DoTims for the 10th time. But still can't decide about the wad is utter shit or it's something that had been made by a genius.
What do do you think about it?

>>1049575
thank you, i wasn't actually aware of the difference between mouselook and freelook. that makes a lot of sense.

i need to screenshot this post or something. thank you very much!

I hate when people use "Arena Shooter" to describe Doom, Duke3D, Shadow Warrior, etc.

It perfectly sums up Quake and Unreal Tournament, since multiplayer was the main appeal of those two. But Doom, Heretic, Duke, SW, Blood, etc have quite the single-player following that never quite took off with the Quakes and Unreal series as much.

>>1049823
especially if you consider that most doom servers arent even arena dm.

>>1048430
hah survived it this time. stood at other end of hall and spammed all my rockets.

i have the bfg (>>1049381) but haven't used it since when i got it

>>1048534
i got the megasphere thanks to your hint - i thought there was something around there but i guess i never noticed the little door being triggered - but i don't know about a blue armour in the boxes room (you mean that dark place full of crates in the south past the chaingunner teleporters you mentioned?)

>>1049838
wait a second

ARGH

>>1049838
>but i don't know about a blue armour in the boxes room (you mean that dark place full of crates in the south past the chaingunner teleporters you mentioned?)
never mind, i got it - was in the one place i didn't check

Is strife any good?
Is there any good port I should look into?

>>1049863
that was an awkward place for one of those

if i die now i'm going to be so annoyed

>>1049040

It's a netbook hooked up to a monitor, and monitors are much cheaper than computers.

>>1049882
it seems the last monster is the archvile you hear waking up right at the start

nice symmetry

>>1049869
>Is strife any good?
It's not breath-taking or anything but it's a good run.
>is there any good port I should look into?
To play Strife? I've used Skulltag.

>>1049925
So zandronum should do the trick?
I dont exactly know the difference between skulltag and zandro.

>>1049917
would have been under an hour if i hadn't gone back for 4 armour thingies (whatever you call them) on the other hand i have to include the 36 original minutes plus all the times i restarted and died in the BFG trap )before i found the proper way).

anyway that was a lot of fun and i enjoyed posting about it here with you too. ggs.

>>1048340
I like it.

>>1049935
It runs on the as same engine as Doom so anything that could play Doom also could play Strife.

i was thinking it would be fun to replay doom without relying on saves, but instead using lives, restarting the level whenyou die and restarting the chapter when game over, is there a mod for something like this?

>>1049975

Survival mode in Zandronum kinda fits what you're looking for. Not sure if it acts the same if you choose that gameplay and play it in offline mode.

>>1049975
Why not just pistolstart every level and not save?
I guess you could do the lives thing, but I don't see the point.

>>1050001
I assume he means when he dies with an extra life he can pick up the same level from where he left off. With enemies dead and such. I dunno. New life every 500 kills? Or 1000? Hard to say what would be fair.

Newfag here, I just tried playing DOOM for the first time and got my ass handed to me as I expected, however my biggest gripe with the game were the controls and some rooms were pitch black for me (Worse than DOOM 3 even, maybe it's got something to do with my monitor?).

What is a good control scheme to use and how to solve the darkness problem (if it's not intended I guess)

It doesnt matter how many times I play the Doom Comic Slideshow video, the voice just doesnt sound insane enough.

I mean, his voice fits quite well, but he has no enthusiasm and he sounds completely sane.

I want someone to read Doomguss voice who is so insane, who screams and yells like an pain elemental giving birth to 3 Lost Souls at once while literally crying blood of joy, because ripping and tearing is incredibly satisfying. He mus breath heavy and grunt brutally, like the Zombieman looking for its prey. He should also die of rage and brutality while trying to record his voice pronouncing every Doom Comic word like a serial killer on meth, Speed and Spoonfedding at once.

Jesus, give me someone who is this mad and fuckin brutal. I would try to do this, but my Laptop crashed and my phone sucks

Is there any good weapon mods out there besides brutal doom, russian overkill and project msx?

So I was thinking about samsara survival, what happened yesterday when terminus lost one of his lives while being the last player remaining, and what it means is possible for a doomguy player.

What I'm referring to is what is possible in every game of survival invasion; if there is only one player remaining and they die, and the respawn happens to be located away from where the monsters were facing when the player died, then the player is respawned with none or very few monsters active.

Normally this is just kind of funny to look at and maybe gives the player a moment to gather ammo before firing and alerting all the monsters again.

However for a player playing doomguy the situation is very different. Because the fist does not alert monsters in samsara, and the berserk fist deals 120-240 damage (instead of the 20-200 in vanilla doom) per hit it means that it is very possible for a careful doom player to solo any amount of monsters by attacking them one at a time provided they are all in the same wave.

Just thought it was interesting and wanted to point it out.

>>1050030
Some rooms in Knee Deep were meant to be really dark, but overall you shouldn't be having that problem. Press F11 to adjust the gamma.

What port are you using? Just go with horizontal mouse look and autoaim, don't make the mistake of playing it like a modern FPS, it wasn't designed that way.

>>1050024
you'd just need a point counter
5 for a zombie / nazi
10 for an imp
15 for a shotgun zombie
25 for an arachnotron
50 for an hell knight
75 for a chaingunner
100 for a baron
500 for a revenant
750 for a spider mastermind
1000 for a cyberdemon
bonuses:
pistol start: *1.5 to all
punch kill: *2 on that monster

3 lives, first 1up at 2.000 then every 5.000, one "hero point", you earn another one every 20.000 that you can trade for a mid-level savepoint or an extra live

i guess you can adjust it depending on the map (and yes, i totally pulled it out of my ass)

What's the difference between PWAD and Megawad?

>>1050030
Welcome to Doom.
>darkness
Are you using OpenGL?
>controls
WASD + mouse should be fine

>>1050095

A megawad just refers to a pwad that contains 32 maps, like an iwad. However they are not iwads as they still require an iwad to be played.

>>1050095

A pwad is an external wad loaded along an iwad.
A megawad is a wad with a LOT of content.

Not all pwads are megawads, but all megawads are pwads.

>>1050034

>Thanks to the comic, everyone thinks Doomguy is mental, like in the comic

Not that I'm complaining, since it's from a certain point understandable. I wonder how would Doomguy look with the mind of a 7-year Doomworld veteran, I think he would be looking for wall misalignments, monster variety and stuff like that, not taking into account that he might know all the mapping tricks concerning traps.

He would be a bored, impassive Doomguy, that's for sure.

>>1050046

Have you tried WildWeasel's last mod? It's called Accessories to Murder or something like that

>>1050095

>pWAD

A WAD containing extra, user made maps, they might be just one, five, an entire episode, or...

>Megawad

A 32-level replacement; or at least, that was the original conception of said term, now sometimes a 10-level pwad with new monsters, music and whatnot is called a megawad.

>>1050105
What is it called when a wad just contains a lot of maps? Like 24 or so?

>>1050115

It would still be a megawad.
32 is not a required number.

>>1050092
>Are you using OpenGL?
Yep. gzdoom
>WASD + mouse should be fine
Is it okay to play DOOM using WASD, isn't it a bit heretical? I mean I want to experience DOOM like it was meant to be experienced if that makes any sense.

>>1050117
What about 8, new music and 1 new monster?

>>1050108
>A pwad is an external wad loaded along an iwad.

Yeah that's what I said

>A megawad is a wad with a LOT of content.

Specifically maps though; you wouldn't call RTC-3057 a megawad, even though it contains a lot of custom textures, sprites and music. And 32 seems to be the commonly accepted cutoff for map number, to the point where stuff that has 29 or so maps is said to be almost a megawad.

>>1050118
If you want to do that, check out Chocolate Doom as it'll probably be the closest thing you'll get to the "like it was meant to be" without having to use DOSBox or straight up DOS.

>>1050117

see

>>1050125,

the commonly accepted number is 32.

Stuff that has "a LOT of content" but it's mostly textures, sprites, sounds and music would generally be called a TC, except in the rare case that something replaces everything but with something very similar to the original assets, in which case I'm not certain if it's still called a TC or not.

>>1050118
Doom had keyboard + mouse controls. Arrow keys though I think. Chocolate doom it if you want to play it as it was.

>>1048340
Oh man I love it!

>>1050127
>>1050135
Thanks I'll look into it.

Just out of curiosity: what control scheme do you people use?

>>1049963
Alright thanks

>>1050125
>>1050131
>>1050119
>>1050117
>>1050115
>>1050112
>>1050108

You silly Americans and your imperial "a mile is how fast the king's horse can run in a minute"/"this is how many levels id software put in doom 2" measurement system.

Here in the EU we entertain no such folly; our naming system is concise and straightforward.

A wad with 5 levels or less is simply called a pwad. A pwad that contains at least 6 new levels but no more than 15 is called a decawad, a wad with at least 16 but no more than 25 is a dudecawad, a wad with at least 26 but no more than 35 is a tridecawad, and so forth. All hub levels are counted separately for the purposes of naming.

As for Conversions the naming is similar but the amounts are not rounded. A wad which replaces at least 10% of the game assets is called a decicon (con is a shortened version of conversion), one which replaces at least 20% of the game assests is a dudecicon, and so forth until 100% of the game assets are replaced at which point it's either called a "conversion" or an iwad, depending upon whether it requires another wad to run.

So for instance something could be described as a decicon tridecawad hub, and you would know immediately that it is a hub-style pwad containing 26-35 levels with 10-19% of the game assets replaced with player-created ones. Much better I think.

>>1050151
Mouse and keyboard. Sometimes with freelook, sometimes without. Depending on what I'm playing.

>>1050160

>>1050160
>increments of 5
>not 10
Imposter.

>>1050065
Your ass must be a pretty good place.

>>1050151
WASD + mouse with freelook, though sometimes I load up Chocolate Doom and go pure keyboard.

Does Chocolate Doom have TIME SUCKS in it? I'm assuming as such since it's meant to be "as 1993 as possible", but...

>>1050160

>>1050160

And to think you actually wrote that shit, in an attempt to stir the pot and bait everyone

Report and move along

>>1050160
this is one of the best posts I've ever read on here

>>1050160

Here in the Queens' country we call them all by their proper name, "Screamin' Demon Jumpin' Scarin' Rippin' Tearin' Rooty Tooty Point and Shooty Enthusiast-Crafted Gentlemen's Electronic Game Boards."

>>1050184
>I'm a humorless nigger

>>1050160
hahaha

another data point: the /idgames archive states that a megawad has at least 15 levels

>The 'megawads' directory contains files that contain a large
>scale replacement of 15 or more levels, but which don't
>qualify for the themes/ directory. DM-only megawads are in
>the 'deathmatch/megawads' directory.

-- http://www.gamers.org/pub/idgames/levels/doom2/ - levels/doom states something similar

______________
[i usually assume it means 32 (or 30 without secrets) but you don't care what i think]

>>1050175
>TIME SUCKS

Holy shit I never even knew this was a thing.

It probably does. Chocolate doesn't even remove the arbitrary size limitations of the original exe.

>>1050184

It's a joke, ya dingus.

>>1050160
Your European methods feel unwieldy for casual conversation, and seem only suited to message boards. ("How many levels did this replace again... I can't remember if 40% of the assets were changed or 60%...")

I propose a simpler naming convention.

A wad containing less than 16 new maps is called a pwad, and one containing 16 or more is a megawad.

A wad containing any number of new assets is called a partial conversion. One containing over or near half new assets would be a conversion, and one that replaces all assets is a total conversion (some vanilla textures that would be redundant to recreate may be acceptable in this classification).

That leaves you with simpler terms like "partial conversion megawad" and "conversion pwad", and gives you some leeway for lax conversation.

>>1050175
>>1050206

IF my memory serves me right, SUCKS exists as a texture in Doom2.wad so I assume it must display in ChocoDoom once you take more than 1 hour to finish a level

>>1050195

>>1050175
>TIME SUCKS
I don't get it.

>>1050216

leave Doom running in MAP01 for more than an hour and hit the exit switch. Below your time a "SUCKS" will display.

>>1050209

But then how do you order them in any kind of meaningful way? How could you easily convert them into other measurement forms? Or determine molarity?

Preposterous!

>>1050206
Actually, ZDoom has it too. They even let you configure how much time it takes using "sucktime".

>>1050220
It does? I was under the impression /every/ sourceport removed it.

>>1050212
this is correct

one of the most unbelieveable things i've ever seen is the "I've never..." thread on Doomworld where a staggering number of people claimed to have never had a "time sucks". how have you people never taken over an hour* to finish a level?!

___________
* unless using prboom in which case it's 100 hours, which is more understandable that you've never seen one

>>1050219
>Or determine molarity?
play with brutal doom and count the teeth at the end of the level!

thanks, thankyou folks, i'll be here all week

>>1050223
>how have you people never taken over an hour* to finish a level?!
How have you ever taken an hour to finish a level?

I know that there is a "easier" version of the Chillax wad.

But I can't remember the name.

Welp.

>>1050221
http://zdoom.org/wiki/MAPINFO/Map_definition#SuckTime

>>1050223
>>1050223

>where a staggering number of people claimed to have never had a "time sucks"
>Doomworld

Bunch of lying hypocrite bastards. Old one-level wads like VRack2 tend to take more than an hour in the first try. And they know it.

Just because demos of it under 25mins exist, doesn't mean you'll follow that same exact route and find the secrets in it like they do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwvba6SdcCY

Also, whoever tried to run Deus Vult the way it was intended (MAP05) know that the combined map is fuckhuge, even a fucking pro-doomer did a run that lasts 1 fucking hour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMD3Ycaq0SE

>>1050221
you can even get one in PrBoom+ if you wait long enough!*

________________
* or hexedit a savegame

>>1050226
there are plenty of maps that take well over an hour to finish, especially if you like to get 100%. admittedly none from the IWADs (except maybe TNT) but i'm thinking of things like MM28 or HR24 which both took way over an hour the first time i played them.

(there are obviously bigger things made for source ports but we're talking about "time sucks" in vanilla)

>>1050219
That's the idea. These measurements aren't for conversion, or molarity, they're for common conversation.

And molarity pertains to physical objects in 3 dimensional space.

>>1049053
>post this on people's Facebook status!

>>1050229
chillax is a modified phmlspd, is that what you're trying to think of?

>>1050095
Megawad usually refers to a mapset the replaces most or all levels. I'd say 22-25 maps would be the minimum, but most megawads tend to be 30-32.

>>1050112
>now sometimes a 10-level pwad with new monsters, music and whatnot is called a megawad.

I've never seen any wad with less than 20 levels get called a megawad anywhere, and I've been dooming since the mid-90's

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Megawad
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Megawad
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Megawad

>>1049835
And with that, Doom by default didnt have any dm maps. It was possible to dm in the sp maps, sure, but only a small few of them actually play well as dm maps

>>1050292
>I've been dooming since the mid-90's
in that case you must be aware of /idgames' definition. >>1050205

>>1050302
>http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Megawad
I really don't understand why it even lists episode replacements. They don't even qualify by their definition.

>>1050303
>Doom by default didnt have any dm maps
>mentions maps that you could play as DM maps
I guess those magically don't count.

>>1050308
Yes, I'm aware of the 15 map definition. 5 map difference from what I said, but its still isn't 10 like the other guy said.

>>1050314
They werent designed with DM in mind.
I mean, we could dm in pol.wad but that doesnt make it a DM map now does it?

>>1050314
Funny thing is, they weren't made specifically for dm.

>>1050312

>doomwiki.org

thanks for linking to the superior version

>>1050325
Then I forgot to sage. I have the dumb

>>1050316
It's still only a 5 map difference though. Saging because I think my naming convention >>1050209 is still the best (and I think this subject is silly)

>>1050325
>Saging

I guess you forgot?

>>1049631
so many hours in mspaint you have no idea

post wads you guys
srsly u guisz

>>1050325
>It's still only a 5 map difference though

Thing is, though, is that 10 is only one third of the games maps. And only slightly over a quarter, in Ult doom's case. Calling that amount of maps a megawad is absurd because of this.

>>1050169
thanks, i guess^^
oh and i just realized some doom prototypes had a score part in the HUD that could probably be used

>>1050325
your naming convention is hardly "yours"! it's been around forever

>>1050343
I just thought that making doom more arcade-ish could be interesting.

I just noticed that NO ONE has the Dwango5Map01 music in youtube, only remixes and shit

>>1050343
It's an idea they carried over from Wolfenstein 3D, that they scrapped early on.

The soulsphere was originally supposed to give you an extra life, instead of (or in addition to?) giving health.

>>1050359
That'd almost make more sense, given it's a /soul/sphere.

>innirNra the
Silly captcha, the NRA don't have souls.

Is there a DOOM 64 wad?

>>1050392
There's a TC.

>>1050364
it always confused me when you pick one up the game says "supercharge!", like it's saying "you are supercharged" or some such

>>1050397
having said that the doom wiki claims it's *called* a supercharge http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Soulsphere

http://www.afadoomer.com/wolf3d/default.php

Speaking of Wolfenstein, has anyone played the ZDoom TC? It's pretty faithful to Vanilla Wolfenstein, and has all the levels from Wolfenstein 3D, Spear of Destiny, and the Spear of Destiny expansions.

>>1050421
I think we had a server for that a while back.

Wolfenstein's a bore though.

>>1050428
This.

Wolfenstein was just a lame cash-in. It was actually in development at the same time as Doom, and Id knew nobody would give a shit about Wolfenstein once Doom came out, so they released a fuckton of shovelware expansions and sequels within a two year period.

Why are there so many WADs that play like a Serious Sam game? As in you're trapped in a room with a shit ton of enemies coming from every side to kill you.

>>1050447
It's fairly easy to make, and there's definitely a market for it.

>>1050447
>good question
>Why are there so many WADs that play like a Serious Sam game?
>better question
>Why are there so few Serious Sam custom maps that play like DOOM?

>>1050471
Because Serious Sam is an almost entirely different game.

>>1050495
in map design, definitely

In game design, how?

>>1050517
It's deliberately designed for that sort of linear, arena-y gameplay.

I'm not at all saying SS is /bad/ mind you, it's just not Doom.

>>1050532
also AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKLOPKLOPKLOPKLOPKLOPKLOPKLOPKLOP

>>1049949
haha all right now see the difference when you know where you're going

both pistol starts, uv max, no saves

>>1050552
>106% Kills
Why was that never fixed?

>>1050542

>>1050440
Funded Doom. I could give a shit.

Also it wasn't too bad. The bosses were fine, but the levels were far too large for what they were. Would've been better with some tighter level design.

>>1050560
It's fixed in ports, but I prefer the over-percentage. It's annoying to never be able to 100% the icon of sin...

All it means is you killed every monster placed on the map and then some, which is more fairly represented by going over.

>>1049935
Zandronum is basically Skulltag 2.0 with all the shitty Quake3 ripoff stuff made optional instead of mandatory.

Z& is objectively better in every way since you can manually load up Skulltag's content anyway

Not to go off on you, but why do some people keep their copies of Skulltag? I know some do, and even still play on its master server. Is there any reason why?

>>1050568
>Funded Doom.
Wasn't Id doing fine when they made Doom?
>Also it wasn't too bad.
Yes it was.
>The bosses were fine,
They're completely forgettable aside from Hitler.
>but the levels were far too large for what they were.
Yes.

Is Space Pirate going to come out anytime soon? He said it'd probably be out before the 7th.

>>1050560
>>1050574
yeah i just play until prboom's live monsters counter says 0. then the kill percentage doesn't matter (but needs to be maintained correctly for demo sync. yes seriously, because if you change the timings of the intermission screen multi-level demos will desync)

>>1050581
>objectively

Stop.

>>1050592
What does skulltag have that Z& doesn't? Aside from some compatibility issues with older wads.

>>1050592
I looked into it, seems like hes right though.
Zandro have everyting skulltag had and more.

Thats whats called objectively better

>>1050592
Stop having a kneejerk reaction to the word "objectively," there ARE appropriate uses for it and this is one of them.

A piece of software can be objectively superior to another by measure of features, resource requirements, user-friendliness, compatibility with other similar software, etc.

Try telling a professional programmer that it's only his -opinion- that Python is superior to Java, or that Fedoracore Linux is superior to Tonka Toy Windows 8.

>>1050592
I'm that guy. I'm not going to start something, but it's facts. It's literally a more updated Skulltag with the Skulltag stuff as an addon. I don't see how Skulltag is ahead of Zandronum in any single way.

Quit your arbitrary contrarian attitude.

>>1050616
>Linux
>superior to anything aside from a brick

>>1050581
I'm glad someone else realized that Skulltag is just a poorfag version of Quake.

>go into Doom 2 co-op server
>it's full of l33t esports retards blowing through every level in five seconds by jumping over stuff and rocketjumping

Source ports might have made Doom more accessible to modern gamers, but they've robbed it of its soul.

Hello I am Kinsie and I literally think that people who like Brutal Doom should be put into camps and burned in ovens

>>1050631
gr8 b8 m8.

>>1050623
How is it the poorfag version when you can literally play Quake 3 for free?

>>1050638
Remember when Quake Live didn't exist before 2010?

man fuck eye.wad
what's the name for Hell awakened wad? I can't find it in best ever

>>1050631
Bosh ovens, i bet?

>>1050623
i think the real issue there is the people who are running servers with jumping and new school physics, on classic maps that aren't made for jumping and new school physics

>>1050614
Not necessarily, more isn't always better friend.

>>1050692
If its more optional stuff, yea it is.

>>1050643
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=16637

>>1050631

I know I'm probably being hooked up, but post proof in your tumblr wall

>>1050631
>>1050646
>>1050714
simply epic

>>1050542

>trying to pull the "AAAAAAAA" stuff
>in /doom/

How cute

>>1050730
he was talking about Serious Sam mon

How come no servers do NeoDoom anymore? I really like playing it with in co-op with BrutalDoom

>>1050734

>he was talking about Serious Sam

Sherlock pls

>>1050740
well of course i was sherlock because i was the poster of the AAAAA stuff
also /doom/ is fans of all old school FPS, not just doom

>>1050709
thanks mate

Any word on space pirate yet? I am waiting in anticipation.