/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10441032
N64 core isn't finished anon. I'm sure you know this and its bait because only a retard would pay $500 for a $350 device.

>>10441032
It’s hardware emulation. The N64 core isn’t finished. Only bullshit Analogue marketing talk says it’s supposed to be a 1:1 recreation. I paid $350 and it the single best retro gaming purchase I have ever made. Any other questions just let me know bro!

>>10441032
>Did I spend 500 dollars
No, I don't believe you did

>>10441032
>Did I spend 500 dollars
No, you did not. Not even the retards on this board would spend money that frivolously on something they don't even know the capabilities of lol

>Turok 2 works 1 week later
>Why can't this play Dreamcast???

>>10441069
>Not even the retards on this board would spend money that frivolously on something they don't even know the capabilities of lol
Multiple Anons bought the Analogue Pocket and Dock. Anons are stupid, shallow beings that don't always research before purchase.

>>10441303
>Multiple Anons bought the Analogue Pocket
The pocket isn't bad, though. It's an alrig-
>and Dock.

to be fair, the N64 couldn't really handle Turok 2 either.

>>10441981
neither could your mom*
*I call my dick Turok 2

>>10441032
This is clearly another bait thread.

Evidence:
>only way to know for sure why Turok 2 works or not is if you're following development of the core and reading other people's progress reports
>personal experience with the core requires deliberately downloading the core from the test builds channel, it is not part of update_all (although, I'm gonna leave telling info out of this post)
>update_n64 also has to be added manually

Feel free to keep making these threads though, any publicity is good publicity.

>>10442215
There's so much disingenious bullshit from haters in MiSTer threads, like what are they trying to gain from it?

>>10442276
They're people with really low morale and they need these virtual (You)'s.

>>10441032
Because it's not very good hardware replication.

>>10442276
It's called shit-smearing. After the console wars died post-2013, these low-lifes need something else to complain about. Doesn't change the fact that RetroArch crashes a metric fuck-ton on my Nvidia Shield TV, while the MiSTer offers a flawless retro gaming experience that will only get better over time. PS1 will improve, Saturn will improve, and N64 will improve.

>>10442551
What do you mean? I bought this entire thing as a pre-built kit, installed all the cores to it and have it hooked into my crt and just now people are telling me this?

>>10442719
The cores aren't as accurate as the community likes to pretend. They CAN be potentially electrically indistinguishable from the original machines, but few if any are. Maybe the NES and SNES are, I'm not sure. The PS1 most certainly is not and the N64 literally can't be because the FPGA isn't big enough.

>>10442730
So should I return this peice of shit? I specifically heard that n64 was working by various youtubers, I buy this fucking garbage raspberry pi knockoff because everybody says it's accurate to the circut level, and it can't even put out the same performance as a pi4b? Can the pi4b put out an analog signal or is there an add on that can? Why do people shill this so hard

>>10442147
My dick is named Turok 3... A-Are you my father?

>>10441050
>Instant damage control

Just buy an android TV or SBC for 40 and call it a day lmao

>>10442746
Anon there are 100% actual literal product shills on all sorts of boards, Hyundai shit was shilled RELENTLESSLY on /o/ for example.
Also yeah man get real hardware and flashcarts or just wait x years until they actually get it working, you should be able to flip it just fine

>>10442746
It's good as far as the end user is concerned. You won't be able to tell its not 100% accurate. But the community doesn't like admitting that it isn't which does make it a lie of omission when the emulation vs FPGA arguments come up. The issue has nothing to do with the MiSTer or FPGA. It's entirely about the cores themselves. Theoretically they can be improved but there are like 5 people working on them.

>>10442767
Which ones are worth getting that have analog output? Composite in particular, I want to run a nes emulator through my vcr to get RF. I dont understand why people have such hard ons for component since it wasn't what 99% of us were using anyways unless you were rich.

>>10441032
>Current year
>People still bitching about N64 emulation
Just buy the real thing or use a Wii to inject games.

>>10442782
My n64 works fine I just dont want to deal with the eventual heartache of it breaking. I'm old enough that I don't really want my kids touching it either since its from when I was a kid. I bought this thinking it would be a good solution and the metal case was the seller even with the bumped up price considering the time savings as well. I've also heard the wii doesn't have 100% n64 compatibility placing it in the same tier as this trash. Is mupen really the best there is?

>>10442597
Imagine trying to talk shit about a free open source project.
It's kind of funny when you think about it, they made up in their head that there are shills for a free project anyone can contribute to. They also made up that its $500 because they think 3rd party sellers selling assembled units is some how some official store for these.

So glad I'm not brown.

>>10442782
I urge you to hit up your local FGC locals and ask around for a MiSTer setup. That's how I got a chance to check it out. The emulation of N64 on MiSTer is close to hardware perfect with the exception of graphical glitches due to incomplete implementation of the TLB and RDP.

>>10441032
It can't play turok 2 because it's more accurate the original hardware. Turok 2 relied on bugs in the original hardware to work.

>>10442778
Raspberry Pi or an old PC with Custom AMD drivers, I've tried other options and they've sucked

>>10441032
It can’t even do the Commodore 64. What did you expect

>>10442897
>I urge you to hit up your local FGC locals and ask around for a MiSTer setup
They all prefer dreamcast and arcade boards not mister.

>>10441032
>If this is hardware replication,
-It's not. It's an emulator.
-It's no more accurate than free ones you can download.
-It doesn't have less input lag
-It requires an internet connection and updates to fix the game compatibility issues it has (i saw Alien Soldier crash on a matthewmatosis stream once after he had just spent an hour regurgitating horse shit he heard frank cifaldi say about how superior FPGA's are)

None of the claims they say about these things are true at all.
If you don't believe me, read Edge magazine's multi-page expose on them from a few years back.

They're an expensive meme for idiots.

>>10442778
-PC with a $15 AMD card
-CRT Emudriver
-Cheap transcoder

Done. You can emulate everything on a 240p CRT and you can use shaders to get a composite image.

>>10442778
>I dont understand why people have such hard ons for component since it wasn't what 99% of us were using anyways unless you were rich.
Because that's what i saw in screenshots (i read british mags and they all used RGB screenshots).
The image quality was fucking outstanding and all i wanted the same setup.
Likewise when i went to arcades they all used RGB monitors and it was extremely noticeable how much better the image quality was.
That's why i want component, to get decent image quality.

>>10442778
It is, however, what people were looking at in arcades. Well RGB, not component, but same difference. So it's not like people never set their eyes on an RGB/component image until the 2000s.

>>10443101
I only see Dreamcast because the PS2 guy won't be there. Otherwise, the only other consoles seen are for modern vidya. The supergun guys bring both a MiSTer and PCBs for 3S. There is only one locals in the state that refuses to replace his PCBs with a MiSTer and rightfully so because the gimmick of the owner's spot is that he offers real candy cabs with original PCBs.

>>10441032
On the miniscule off chance this isn't bait, you are the dumbest cunt that has ever existed.

>>10441056
>it the single best retro gaming purchase I have ever made
Why?

>>10443373
He's not entirely wrong for being confused. If you venture into the MiSTer community and start asking about hardware accuracy you'll either get lies or people will just yell at you for asking. Say the phrase "transistor-level accuracy" and you won't get a clear answer but they'll go right back to pretending that's what it is when you're done asking questions.

>>10443376
Not him, but when I calculated the prices for a Genesis, NES, PC Engine, NeoGeo, and their Flashcart or multi-game solutions, I ended up trying other solutions to save money such as the LaserActive (the unit I got was way below market value but required recapping and I would rather flip the unit while selling the Genesis PAC separately). Ran into a lot of incompatibilities with clone consoles and cartridges (which I was lucky enough to sell at exactly the same price I paid plus shipping). Have not had any issues with the MiSTer for the consoles I've been wanting to play except for Micro Machines on the Genesis core having bad video synching issues over the analog signal.

>>10443394
Did you evaluate the cost of a PC?

>>10443557
Did you evaluate the cost of your time baiting for (You)'s?

>>10443250
>It's no more accurate than free ones you can download.
Show me a PS1 software emulator that passes as many hardware tests as the FPGA core does. Show me the gate level megadrive and neo geo software emulators made entirely from decapped schematics. Show me the fork of MAME that has CPS 1&2 running at the correct speed or all the other arcade cores with improvements that MAME dev still haven’t implemented.

>I saw Alien Soldier crash on a matthewmatosis stream once
On a core that no longer exists becuase an entirely decapped solution was created lmao.

>>10443379
> If you venture into the MiSTer community and start asking about hardware accuracy you'll either get lies or people will just yell at you for asking.
Let me know what core your are interested in and I will tell you where it’s at, no yelling.

>>10443394
Lul

>>10443621
One advantage over a dedicated PC, though, is a PC is going to take time to setup, install emulators, install a launcher, do configuration, etc. Mister is more plug and play, so it has that going for it.

>>10443637
Synthetic hardware tests or whether a core is made from decapped schematics ultimately don't matter. Playability matters. More PS1 games are playable on a PC running a good PS1 emulator than on a Mister with a PS1 core. Same thing with N64.

>>10442597
>comparing Mister to a bottom-of-the-barrel ARMshit device to make it look good
nice strawman

>>10443621
He asked a completely valid question. Even a 10-year old mid-range PC plays more N64 and PS1 games than Mister.

>>10443667
>spend $350 because emulation on PC takes too long to set up
Is this the latest cope from Misterfaggots? I can download an N64 emulator, set it up to work with a controller, download a ROM and play it in under 5 minutes on a fresh Debian install.

>>10443652
>>10443667
>>10443682
here's the (You) you're working so hard for.

>>10443678
>Synthetic hardware tests or whether a core is made from decapped schematics ultimately don't matter.
We get it, you're a casual. MiSter isnt for you.
>More PS1 games are playable on a PC running a good PS1 emulator than on a Mister
Show me the compatability lists, prove it.
>Same thing with N64.
No shit, the core isnt finished.
>comparing Mister to a bottom-of-the-barrel ARMshit device to make it look good
It looks good compared to the best available software emulators on PC too, but you're a casual so don't care anyway.
>Even a 10-year old mid-range PC plays more N64 and PS1 games than Mister.
An inaccurate software emaultor can hack it's way to compatability, thats no measure of accuracy or quality.

>>10443685
here's your (you) too

Mister is not emulation, it's a bootleg console.
The only difference between the cores in it vs a chink Nintendo-on-a-Chip from AliExpress is that the Mister can also get software updates to maybe slightly improve its compatibility.

>>10443692
>Mister is not emulation, it's a bootleg console.
Sounds good to me, was that supposed to be a negative?
>The only difference between the cores in it vs a chink Nintendo-on-a-Chip from AliExpress is that the Mister can also get software updates to maybe slightly improve its compatibility.
Sounds good to me, is that supposed to be a negative?

Big fan of mine and will continue to recommend it to my friends. Currently playing RE3 on the PS1 core.

I honestly don't give a shit about the FPGA side of the Mister. It's just the most convenient, no nonsense, easy to use emulation box I've ever encountered for living room use. Raspberry pi, Nvidia shield, laptop with a HDMI cable, Steam deck docked, ALL of them bow to the Mister. The very low input latency (Yes, I do feel it) is a nice bonus and I like being able to use my old controllers with snac adaptors. Shame DE-10s are pricey theae days but I do not regret my purchase at all. I play more games on the mister than any other system. It's very telling that all the seething is always coming from people who don't even own or have never even played the fucking thing.

>>10443692
Oh my god, you must be fucking retarded and delusional among other things. The 10 out of 99,999 games a console clone can run will always feel better than on an emulator. Why? because it's cloning the hardware without an OS layer. There is no input delay. What the fuck are you and any other "muh software emu" spewers thinking or even knowledgeable about?

>>10443684
Nice try.

>>10441032
Mister will go the way of the dodo when this baby arrives.

>>10443685
>Show me the compatability lists, prove it.
It's impossible to find a reasonably complete and up-to-date compatibility list for every software emulator in existence, but it wasn't hard to find a game that's broken on the Mister core but completely playable on PC using emulation.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues/252
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dSwdbaSDJgU&t=1351
Now the ball is in your court. Find a game that's playable on the Mister core but unplayable using software emulation. And don't forget that there are multiple emulators available on PC, so even if a game is broken on one of them, others might work perfectly.
>No shit, the core isnt finished.
You retard, the core will never be "finished" because Mister fPGA doesn't have enough logic gates for every N64 chip. It's not a matter of time, the Mister is too weak for accurate hardware N64 emulation. In fact, any cores above 16-bit systems use hacks and approximations just like a software emulator and have a lot of original hardware functionality cut.
>An inaccurate software emaultor can hack it's way to compatability, thats no measure of accuracy or quality.
Just like Mister cores for 5th gen systems.

>>10443735
Source: trust me bro

I have no doubt the mister project will move to a more powerful FPGA someday, but I'm still unconvinced by the Mars.

>>10443735
You mean the DE-10, not MiSTer, that's just the framework for runnign open source cores in. The DE-10 is half the price to get up and running and won't become obsolete just becuase a better FPGA coms along, that's like saying everyone stopped buying a Pi becuase better emulators are available on PC. Any advantages of MARS like Dreamcast are still a long way away, there's very little reason to get on board day one.

>>10443746
>It's impossible to find a reasonably complete and up-to-date compatibility list for every software emulator in existence.
Exactly, you can't prove it so it's a pointless claim to make. Duckstation completely removed the bug tracker on github because the dev is a loon but before it did it was full of games that wouldn't boot. Mednafen has a bug list with a bunch of audio and cd timing based issues, I have no doubt if I booted them on the MiSter core then they wouldn't have the same issues, but that still wouldnt prove that it is more or less compatible.
>Mister fPGA doesn't have enough logic gates for every N64 chip.
What won't fit? What part of the N64's hardware is being implemented incorrectly? Never mind the fact that compromises were always going to happen with an N64 core which the dev made no secret of, no one expected 5th gen to be perfect, getting it on the DE-10 at all is a bonus.

>>10443770
If you really wanna start arguing, there's no way to make an FPGA core for PS1 both 100% accurate and 100% compatible because there's one really shitty game that noone cares about which only works on a specific hardware revision
Unfortunately that game requires a later revision console, meanwhile a bunch of other games have minor graphical glitches on the later revisions due to Sony fixing some GPU hardware bugs

>>10443746
>You retard, the core will never be "finished" because Mister fPGA doesn't have enough logic gates for every N64 chip

Citation?

>>10443791
Not that anon but Nintendo already made an official single chip N64 with the iQue, and all the design files for it leaked in the gigaleaks. So you can just directly compare them.

>>10443682
>Is this the latest cope from Misterfaggots?
I'm not a mister fag but I was bein unironic. I have a PC connected to my PC running Arch and I installed RetroArch and it was a bit of messing around, but I have it almost good except there's screen tearing and I'd like a nicer frontend than what RetroArch provides out of the box. I know it's all relatively simple but I'm pretty time poor. I can still play emulators from my windows laptop easily and so that's fine, but it is an advantage for mister that it's more plug and play than a PC if you want a dedicated emulation machine.

>>10441069
I bought all the mini consoles.

>>10443830
Which one of the mini consoles cost $500?

Imagine spending 500$ on playing crap like Turok 2.
And then it doesn't even work.

>>10443787
That's not an insurmountable problem since you can have multiple cores that each replicate a specific console revision. Nobody bothers to do this because it'd be mostly pointless but in some cases it might be warranted. Like an OG SNES vs. a 1-chip where you can actually tell the difference sometimes.

>>10443832
>500$
$350. And why would you buy it to play a game that is known to not work yet due to the core not being finished? If your going to troll try harder than that please!

>>10443752
>The DE-10 is half the price to get up and running
It's really mostly the price to get up and running. A bare DE-10 with a single ram stick is 90% of what you need. It's a misunderstanding that a MiSTer costs $500. You don't need the entire thing. You can get analog through the DE-10's HDMI port with direct video. There's no need for the rest of the stack if you don't want to spend the money.

>>10443640
Really just the big ones. NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1, Saturn and N64. Obviously Saturn and N64 aren't done yet and there hasn't be a claim of perfection in those cases but I'm including them for completion's sake. And if there are any other truly accurate cores I didn't list I'd be interested to hear.

>>10443640
>Let me know what core your are interested in and I will tell you where it’s at, no yelling.
Is anyone making fictional cores? Like, someone could make a 2d graphics powerhouse that could push thousands of sprites with no flicker and dozens of backgrounds. Or someone could make a hybrid, like, imagine if you had the SNES PPU with the MegaDrive CPU.

>>10443865
There are so many things that could be done with FPGA that's way more interesting than what it's currently being used for. Imagine being able to virtually build a retro PC from discreet components? You start with a motherboard and then pick from a list of available CPUs, GPUs, soundcards, etc.

>>10443871
That sounds based as hell. Like you have a virtual PC shop utility and you want a Sound Blaster or a Roland MT-32 or whatever and it assembles the PC for you as a new FPGA config.

>>10443856
Megadrive and Neo Geo cores are made entirely from decapped chip information, as such those are about as accurate as you could hope for. PC Engine got a couple of decapped chips last year and CPS1 + CPS2 hardware have DMA timings that are vastly improved over MAME, meaning games like Super Turbo run at the correct speed now, lots of arcade games have fixes to graphic issues adn timings that have not made their way back to MAME yet. PS1 passes more hardare tests than software emulators, especially on the CPU but I can't speak for the saturn as that is still in beta and I don't touch those cores.

NES was based on an older core which Kintrix and others have got into great shape over the past couple of years, with MDFourier tuned audio and some really interesting palette options that I havent seen elsewhere. GitHub shows any game issues being down to bad ROMs or not using the right header, it's a very solid core.

SNES was made primarilly from open source documentation, when the core was first released the dev didnt even have a SNES and had never played on one! But then since release he got real hardware and tidied it up further in to what is again a very solid core, to be expected given the high quality of knolwegde on the console. GitHub shows most of the issues being with ROM hacks that don''t play nice, just like they would on real hardware and MSU-1 not being as well implemented as it could be. There are some HDMA tests that could be better but they are no worse than bSNES and casue no known game issues.

The GBA has some some new real hardware tests written since the FPGA core was released so once the N64 core is stable he plans to re-write the core with the new information, software emulators will start using that stuff too. On the PS1 he also plans to write proper MDEC tests because his and software emulation is showing a little posterization and slight black crush on FMV's and MDEC generated backgrounds.

>>10442276
I don’t think they hate it at all
It’s more of a situation where they hate the users because of how they talk on here
Then there’s the other side just hate anything that costs more money than they’re willing to pay

>>10443871
Someone made a demo running on fictional FPGA system back in 2011. This is the only FPGA demo I could find (actually, I found another one but that one was just a text scroller).

https://youtu.be/h42neZVvoMY

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>>10443893
Thanks. That's good info.

>>10443885
Exactly. You build your rig however you want and if something isn't to your liking for a specific game you just hop into the menu and swap a component and it'd be just like upgrading a real PC. And as more parts get added to your options continue to expand.

>>10443770
There's functions on the N64 which no games used ever, so those won't be on the core to save space. Other than thar nk compromises.

>>10441032
>Isn't this supposed to be a 1 to 1 replication of original hardware?
It's hardware emulation, it has the exact same accuracy flaws as software emulation because no one outside of Nintendo or SGI truly knows all the specifics of N64 hardware. There are some emulator inaccuracies that can be solved through a hardware implementation (PS2's completely unique floating point implementation comes to mind) but they're working with the same documentation as everyone else.

>>10443971
>There's functions on the N64 which no games used ever, so those won't be on the core to save space.
Saving space or save time by not implementing something that won't be used? Probably a bit of both. Either way it doesn't matter, not even worth bringing up unless it was something that effects actually playing games.

>>10442276
I live to upset and troll Mister fags, I intentionally play dumb and ask bad faith questions on here to do so, and I will continue to

>>10444019
>it has the exact same accuracy flaws as software emulation
Mazamars has reverse engineered the hardware and written a bunch of new tests that this core will benefit from, it wont have the exact same accuracy flaws as existing software emulators, Ares is the only one moving forward in the same manner and the hit to CPU requirements is massive.

>>10443640
x68000, magnavox oddyssey, intelliivison, cps3, jaguar, pc-98, fm towns

>>10441032
Buying into FPGA over software emulation is kind of like abandoning your fancy Ferrari you just got over one of those “hoverboards”

>>10444036
Yeah FPGA does have a real advantage in instances where accuracy would be way too expensive for current CPUs in software, which is why I mentioned the PS2's floating point implementation

>>10444106
Imagine thing software emualtion is the Ferrari lol

MiSTer has a 1:1 NeoGeo core. With the prices of real NeoGeo hardware, JUST THAT makes it worth the price tag.

>>10444023
Mostly saving space, since the option to include the full feature set will be there for future, more powerful FPGAs. That's what Robert said. Some of the more costly memory operations are only used by things like the homebrew Linux port which, yeah, nobody cares

>>10443893
Your explanation is in depth but it's not really addressing the core question of whether these cores are accurate duplicates of the original. We can talk MORE accurate or LESS accurate all we want in comparison to other options like software emulators but in terms of how the cores compare to the original systems, are they actually reproducing the same electrical circuit? Sounds like you're saying Mega Drive and Neo Geo are doing exactly that. Cool. But the others all seem to be different degrees of "not EXACTLY but..."

>>10444019
You don't need Nintendo or SGI. You do, however, need to decap the chips and scan them with an electron microscope. That's ideally how EVERY core would be made but it's an expensive process.

>>10444163
Yes, the truth is past the 16bit stuff it's not truly accurate implementations. Misterfags will seethe, whinge, and lie through their teeth to tell you it is but it won't be and never will be because there is not fully documented breakdowns of the hardware available to the public. It is and always will be emulation. Hardware level Emulation, but Emulation with a capital fucking E. You are Emulating with a Mister past a certain level of complexity.

>>10444163
>But the others all seem to be different degrees of "not EXACTLY but..."
Correct, which is what I tried to put accross. However just because something isn't decapped (yet) doesn't mean you can't develop a core that acts functionally the same as real hardware (or current knowledge allows), which is good enough for me and what I expected for what the MiSTer supports. Decapping still requires you to understand what you are looking at too, which for MD and NeoGeo happened becuase those people are massively knowledgeable about the hardware.

The scene is still relatively young, we are just seeing the first attemps at putting these consoles into FPGA. More hardware engineers will come along and more people are getting involved in chip decapping etc. Expecting fully decapped chip core info at this stage of the project is unrealistic, there's just far too few people doing it and whilst that might be the end goal or ideal scenario for FPGA emaultion it's too much to expect that from everything now.

>>10444187
>Misterfags will seethe, whinge, and lie through their teeth to tell you it is
No they won't. Anyone paying even the slightest attention knows that compomises had to be made to get that generation of consoles working on the DE-10.

>It is and always will be emulation.
We know, it's a point made in literally every single thread by people with a MiSter and by people without.

>>10444223
And I'll make sure to post it in every thread going forward until the heat death of the universe

>>10444224
You do that. Tell people what they already know, a very constructive use of your time.

>>10444187
I still don't think it's emulation even if it's inaccurate. It's just an inaccurate clone. That's what we used to call NOACs back in the day before FPGA came into vogue.

>>10444187
Eh, as long as it is 100% latency and timing accurate I don't care. Can't do that with software emulation.

>>10444238
>>10444242
>>10444260
>its not emulation
>ok it is but I don't care

every thread

>>10441032
I spend 500 bucks on junk all the time, it's literally nothing. I can afford it because I have a job. Shit, that's what I spent just renting furniture last week.

>>10444262
>two people say it's emulation and don't care
>one person thinks it isn't emulation
>dumb fuck tries to imply they are changing their opinion even though they didn't

what causes this?

>>10444317
Same, but now I have a house filled with junk. I should really stop.

>>10444224
But there will be no "heat death" of the universe, so I guess you'll just keep repeating it to people who don't give a shit for all time. You will never have a MiSTer, and you will never be a real woman.

>>10441032
Here you go, faggot OP
Function that turok 2 needed just got added. Have fun.

>>10444262
I personally never had any issues calling MiSTer hardware emulation tho, no need to lump me up to reinforce your (bad) strawman argument

>>10444432
But it's not a literal N64 so MiSTer is bad

>>10444506
I'm personally boxing my N64 and selling my OSSC. MiSTer is better. Sucks to be poor I guess

>>10444531
It does suck but I bought my De10-Nano when they cost half as much as they do now so I get to play N64 with usable sticks and without the emulation shitting itself like Mupen.

>>10444531
>using emulators instead of original hardware
>not poor
pick one

>>10444712
>Not owning everything and using the best options
>not poor

>>10444832
>not owning nothing
>and being happy
:)

>>10444163
What's your problem dude? Mister is magically more accurate than original hardware. Thousands of zoombies couldn't possibly be wrong. Made by brilliant experienced people who are totally not just doing it to play nintendo on their daddys TV
>when the core was first released the dev didnt even have a SNES and had never played on one!
>are they actually reproducing the same electrical circuit
Whatever that means in your head. Of course not.

>>10443865
>Is anyone making fictional cores?
yeah its called the mars project

>>10444160
The mister itself is cheaper than a NG flash cart.

>>10444106
The irony of this is FGPA is actually the ferrari, and software emulation fans are like busriders from /o/ shitting up a ferrari thread by saying that supras are both faster and more reliable than ferraris, so only an idiot would spend so much money on a ferrari.

>>10446068
>FGPA is actually the ferrari
What is real hardware then? A fighter Jet? Get the fuck out of here comparing FGPA with a Ferrari.

>>10441032
Yes you wasted money on junk. This is why I own an original N64. I have the option to play on CRT TV or use my Kaico HD adapter(combined with the mClassic) to play on my HDTV. $500 is too much money to spend on a boxed emulator.

>>10446089
Hahaha the software cuck shits his pants like a jew when his own tactics are thrown back at him.

>>10446110
>the 40 year old wahoomer demands the premier pokemans experience

>>10441050
>>10441056
>>10441062
>>10441069
>>10442215
>>10443846
>Shills say it's $350
>$615 on the official MiSTer website.

Why do MiSTer shills lie? We all know it's over $600!

>>10446134

>>10446115
I don't play Pokemon. I mainly bought the N64 for the wrestling games, including modded versions of WWF No Mercy.

>>10446142
$615

>>10446142
The D-10 Nano isn't a complete MiSTer. It's only part of it. It would be like if I only bought the mother board for my gaming PC, while forgetting about the casing, power supply, graphics card, hard drive, CPU unit, etc...

>>10446147
Mister is a project that enables FPGA implementations of retro platform on a DE10-Nano. A DE10-nano with an OTG USB hub is all you need to have a "mister", although the RAM module is required for many cores. $250.

What you posted is spoonfeeding for consoomers.

>>10446169
What a load of bullshit, you clearly are too stupid to be part of the mister community please leave.

>>10446169
The DE-10 is all you need. (Well, you pretty much need a RAM stick but that's cheap). Everything else is pure quality of life. Nothing necessary to play the games at all.

>>10443865
In ChatGPT I like coming up with scenarios where a fantasy arcade/console hybrid core (somewhat like the NeoGeo AES/MVS) is made and the type of games I'd like to see developed on it.

>It's basically a combination of the CPS-III, Capcom-Sony ZN-1/2 and Sega STV
>The SDK provides modern tools for easier adoption and allowing porting indie games to
>It is designed for 15kHz displays in order to make it accessible to people on consumer and arcade CRTs
>Allows for any XInput and DirectInput controller giving people unlimited options for controllers and peripherals

>>10446134
>>10446142
>>10446147
>>10446169
>>10446182
>>10446186
https://pastebin.com/uvMs1MKa

>>10446182
What I posted exposes the real price if the MiSTer. You shills are spewing bullshit with touting "$250" or "$350" as the price. Anyone can find the real price by going directly to the MiSTer website.

>>10446210
And yet you cannot refute that all Mister functionality is available for $250. There is no "mister" website.

>>10446169
>It would be like if I only bought the mother board for my gaming PC
It's more like buying a PC in parts and assembling it yourself compared with buying a prebuilt PC, except with a mister there are less parts to assemble.

>>10446186
>>10446192
Nope. You need the other parts and the casing to complete the MiSTer.

>>10446213
Liar! The MiSTer website is MiSTerAddOns dot com.

>>10446216
No you don't you lying little faggot cunt. I had a de10 and hub for a long time and it ran mister just fine. I later bought a ram module and analog card for additional functionality but it worked fine without it.

>>10446220

This is the mister website.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Wiki_MiSTer/wiki

Anything else is for retards and suckers, you aren't a retarded sucker are you?

>>10446210
You're fucking retarded if you think MiSTerAddons is the official store. PorkchopExpress is only one of many people offering pre-built kits and daughter boards to save you the trouble of having to do it yourself. The inflated expense if because he values his time in putting a MiSTer kit together so your lazy ass doesn't have to. I'm laughing so hard right now I'm in tears. So you really like to come off as an informed troll but you're making yourself look very ignorant of the topic.

I bet you're too stupid to build legos and wish they came assembled for you.

>>10446220

>>10446210
Get a load of this consoomer.

>>10446197
Unfortunately, a Neo Geo MVS // AES style platform will never be made again. Arcade manufacturers learned their lesson when they realized porting games to consoles in the 90s killed their arcade profits. These days, Modern Arcades will not carry games that have a console release. Arcades demand games that are exclusive to the arcades only. They've threatened to cancel Business contracts with companies that release to consoles. Konami hasn't released a DDR game for consoles since...the PS3. Well over 14 years ago.

>>10446241
That is only a little bit inaccurate to say as Nesica Live and I forgot the other one have many of the games that were in recent compilations or are actual ports.

>>10446232
>thinks his time isn't worth anything.
This is where your argument falls apart. If you want to discuss how much a Mister truly costs, then you need to discuss the amount of time you invest into putting together components yourself. Spending hours or days putting it all together isn't really saving you anything. It's called opportunity cost. Even if you aren't using money, a price must be paid somewhere.

>>10446246
Most arcades in America refuse to carry games that need online service or an active online connection.

>>10446268
You don't need to put together any components. All you need is a de10-nano, an OTG hub and a RAM module foor $250 total and you can use any Mister core perfectly.

Now compare this with a gaming PC where you have to buy:
CPU
GPU
MOBO
PSU
case
K+M
monitor
RAM
HDD
Windows
Total cost $4000

Then put it all together. Then spend a few days installing software and patching windows. And only then can you begin installing emulators where you have to setup every emulator and tune runahed and display modes which takes about six months. No thanks!

>>10446283
>Now compare this with a gaming PC where you have to buy:
>CPU
>GPU
>MOBO
>PSU
>case
>K+M
>monitor
>RAM
>HDD
>Windows
>Total cost $4000

What? You don't need a $4000 dollar PC to emulate retro games. You could probably buy an old Dell shit box for $100 and run them fine.

>>10446272
I think traditional arcades in North America have less market share than even a Japanese-oriented arcade chain like Round1. Round1 is almost all service games with a few old school arcades just in case. I don't want to consider Dave & Buster's an arcade because they bank on redemption games and any arcades they do have are either service arcades and few of the D&B chains even carry old school arcade games.

>>10446295
Good luck running modern emulators on mom's dumpster-dive dell.

>>10446295
I have a Dell Optiplex 7010 with a GT730 and it's ok for what it does, but even over a PC CRT, I cannot get the correct input timings that I do on the MiSTer. This is important for me as I play on real cabinets at my local barcade. I think PCs dedicated to emulating are perfectly fine for arcades that only need a wrapper since the hardware is x86 based anyway or if the MiSTer doesn't have a functional core for. Other than that, you cannot go wrong with a MiSTer for arcade and consoles (not to disregard PC, but none of them are seamless to get arcade games going.

>PC

>>10446220
I can confirm. Shills will deny it, but MiSTers are sold on their official website misteraddons.com

>>10446283
Dude, you can buy a refurbished PC to run retro games with for $50. The only reason to building a gaming PC, is if you wanted to play modern games.

>>10446337
>dude you can totally steal granny's beige box and play zsnes on it

PC nigs keep moving the goalposts. Face it software emulation is the ghetto option for poorfags who can't even afford $250 for a Mister FPGA.

>>10446309
>Good luck running modern emulators on mom's dumpster-dive dell.
They can run everything a Mister can. And we all know a Mister maxes out at N64

>buy a $300 to $600 Mister!
>gets more expensive each year for no reason
>still can't deliver on original promises
Calling people poor or NEETs because they refuse to buy an utterly unnecessary luxury item that's overpriced by more than 100% and has become more expensive a year after release for literally no reason is pretty lame too. I don't care how much money you have, a bad buy is a bad buy.

>>10446373
Only costs $250, surely you can afford two hours of salary for this?

>>10446345
>stuttery bsnes
>w-w-wahoo-oo

>>10446373
You're clearly mad because MiSTer offers something that software emulators can't recreate. Is it because you need run-ahead to reduce input delay which needs to be tuned per game? Is it the fact that you have to manually set the video timing because a game is not displaying correctly? Something about software emulation clearly isn't satisfying you that the MiSTer potentially can and you're so mad you want to hide it by shitposting against it.

>>10446373
>$300 to $600
at least you stopped saying it was $600 every time

>>10446392
>$200
>luxury

>>10446423
ok so now that every other argument has been stretched to it's limits, now we're at the point where it's a "luxury"?

>>10446425

Sorry, >>10446423 was meant for >>10446373

>>10446423
>$200
>luxury
If you save $20k per year, $200 is 1% of your total savings for one year. Yeah, one $200 purchase isn't luxury, but it's not like you can buy $200 items every day. On the other hand, if you can only save $20k a year you probably are poor, but just saying that $200 isn't nothing. For reasons already stated, it's probably very worth it compared with getting a dedicated PC for emulators (unless a good enough PC miraculously appears on your doorstep). But if someone already has a dedicated PC for emulators, buying a mister as well just for the timing benefits and purported accuracy improvements seems like a waste of money unless you are hardcore into accurate timing. In conclusion, the fuss about accurate timing on its own isn't all that compelling, but the proposition of a relatively cheap plug and play emulation box, that is also highly accurate, gives it a hand up over other options.

>>10446383
>Only costs $250, surely you can afford two hours of salary for this?
Mister Devs are literally begging for money on patreon and other donation websites. Don't you think it's rather poor taste to brag about money and people being poor? Shame on you.

>>10446465
I patreon, do you?

>>10446458
>>10446465
Wasn't one mister dev begging for like $1500 in donations so he could have surgery?

>>10446484
I give my money to lolcows.

>>10446220
>unironically shilling for misteraddons

What is it about FPGA that instantly turns /vr/ /v/-tier? Most of the board is fine but the second I see an FPGA thread it's like I'm really browsing /v/

>>10446695
Poverty.

>>10446169
The central CPU unit?

>>10446458
Remember it has to be a dedicated PC that can't do Dreamcast to be a fair comparison. Well personally that actually doesn't come into the equation because if I'm going to have a dedicated emulation PC it's for CRTEmudriver or something and any 6th gen+ system I don't have real hardware for doesn't need 15Khz support but regardless.

>>10446423
>>10446383
>>10446425
>poorfags! Hundreds of dollars is easy money

...Meanwhile the Mister devs beg for money...

>>10446147
>pre-configured
damn, idk. save yourself $400 and put it together yourself?

The calibre of mister users since fifth gen started landing is really low.

>>10443871
>magine being able to virtually build a retro PC from discreet components
That's basically what a lot of FPGA dev is, if the VHDL is already available for the various components one can integrate them using a virtual circuit. Several cores contain alternate silicon that you can swap between which is great on the PCXT/Tandy core and the c64 core.

>>10443865
Not to that level but there are fantasy systems like zxnext and the mega65 which are pretty cool and easy to develop on.

>>10444187
The accuracy is really down to some edge cases. The prior genesis core was very accurate but it took the decap to get to the real edge case buggy behaviour.

Many of the computer cores are also spot-on.

>>10446065
And the original hardware is only 100% accurate. Far less than the mister.
>>10446695
>What is it about that instantly turns /vr/ /v/-tier?
Newchildren like (You)
>>10446885
>Several cores contain alternate silicon
Several core brain worms produced that word salad

>>10446345
>They can run everything a Mister can.
Just really, reallly, really slowly lol. Here's your gate level MegaDrive emulator in software on a modern PC, completely unplayable.

>>10447059
what are the advantages of gate level mega drive emulation?

>>10447075
It’s a wire by wire 1:1 recreation of the MegaDrive hardware, no approximations, no guess work, no assumptions of accuracy. No chance of edge case bugs that keep popping up years and years after release, everything just works as it should. But not remotely feasable to run on the best desktop CPU’s at full speed, easy for an FPGA.

>>10447107
I already know what it does. Can you tell me what it fixes?

>>10447117
Probably sates the autism

>>10442782
This. Get a refurbished N64 and an Everdrive cart. every game, ready to go.

>>10443667
You dont need a 'dedicated' PC when things like Batocera exists.

>>10447117
On the old core PSG channels don't play back at the correct volume or in edge cases didn't trigger at all sometime at the wrong speed, this has been seen in games on software emaultion too. This was don to inaccuracies in multiple chips.The MDFourier tuned audio is better than anything in software, so that's every single game now having fixed audio. It fixes the timings of every single game in the library because you are no longer working on the previous development methods that ammounted to assumptions.

It's like asking what does bSNES fix compared to SNES9x, its all about the timings and the last step of attention to detail that makes every game "fixed" compared to running it on a less accurate emulator.

>>10447173
What the fuck are you going on about? Are the PSG channels in the room with us right now? I grew up with a mega drive and I cannot tell a difference between it and picodrive sound or visual wise. All the "improvements" of mistr are things that nobody noticed to begin with, meaning everybody who actually plays games will be perfectly happy with traditional emulation, and people who want to coom over concepts they made up in their head such as "gate level emulation" can keep justifying this 500 dollar waste of cash.

>>10447117 >>10447075 here i'm not >>10447231

>>10447231
>500 dollar
$350
>picodrive
That’s a turd even for software emulation, I swear if I told you to use blast em instead you would whine about that too lmao.

When does the simpsons go public? It’s still not public.

>>10447075
1. It's more accurate than original hardware. It was 100% accurate years ago and has only become more accurate with each upgrade.
2. It's incredibly easy to bullshit about. Just parrot another shill or throw together random words to make only yourself think you appear smart. Transistor level. Wire by wire
3. The list goes on, ???, profit, even the glutenfreefags get sick of your shit

>>10446695
Shills, liars, truth stretchers, fags in denial, the usual, these threads reflect the community

>>10447304
>throw together random words
I’m sorry you aren’t informed or smart enough to understand the subject.

>>10447327
Sorry that you have to string together a bunch of bullshit to justify (you)r 500 dollar purchase to the world

>>10441032
Why do they sell an emulator that cant do filters for 500 bucks when emulators are free?

>>10447506
So you can tell people on 4channel.org that they're poor for not buying one.

>>10447480
It answered an question and isn't a justification of anything.
>500 dollar
350 dollar
>>10447506
>Why do they sell an emulator
You aren't buying an emaultor.
>that cant do filters
it can do filters, you really don't have even the slightest clue abou this stuff do you?
>emulators are free?
so are FPGA emulators, it's all open source
>>10447513
Money isnt the problem, it's an almost laughable level of ignorance.

>>10447526
He doesn't have an actual point. Like all the schizos here his intense autism compels him to ruin one extremely specific topic by posting the same thing 50 times every day.

>>10447526
>You aren't buying an emaultor.
Well you are right, I'm not buying this emulator, since they are free.

>>10447553
Exactly, software and hardware emulators are both free, not sure why you felt the need to repeat that but whatever.

>>10447574
I felt the need to repeat it because you don't seem to understand that dropping 500 bucks on an emulator is dumb, but I guess you just don't learn.

>>10447583
>500 bucks
360 bucks, talk about not learning. How do I go about buying an emulator, what’s the site? Do they accept PayPal?

>>10447601
I thought it was 350? Now it's 360?
You really are retarded.

>>10447613
So you know it’s 350 but kept writing 500? But sure, I’m the one with cognitive issues.

>>10447656
?
I'm just using your made up numbers against you.

>>10446423
Its a fucking box for playing 30 year old video games. It could cost $20 and it would still be a luxury.

Why spend $1,200 on a MiSTer when the PC that your stepdad owns is literally free?

>>10446486
99% of Americans are genuine poorfags the second you need medical intervention.

>>10447719
My MiSter build cost $350, so did a shit load of other people’s, imagine being triggered by that of all things.

>>10446772
you're god damn retarded. I haven't paid a single cent and can download his test builds for free.

this is getting stale. what's the next fake console war? TIC-80 vs Pico-8?

Mister seems faggy. I use retroarch, that shit is so cash

>>10446392
It takes less than 30 seconds to calibrate a game to have 1 frame of input lag on retroarch. On mister games run at a minimum of 2 frames, sometimes 3 or 4. Seems inferior to me

>>10447815
Here's a bomb:

This database uses MiSTer as the benchmark for testing input delay on controllers.
https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency

>>10441032
It's telling you to play good N63 FPS like Perfect Dark

>>10447820
Okay? I run all of my games at 1 frame of input lag on all of my various controllers. Run ahead makes the play control feel so tight its unreal. 1 frame is a real game changer, it's faster than the original consoles.

>>10441032
crawl back to your containment thread please. faggot

>>10447842
Now that I've given you ammo, which display and controller are you using?

>>10447815
>On mister games run at a minimum of 2 frames
Two scanlines of latency from the scaler, your GPU will always buffer a frame.

>>10447727
>My MiSter build cost $350, so did a shit load of other people’s, imagine being triggered by that of all things.
Now do that same build today and include shipping and taxes.

>>10447872
Someone already did the heavy lifting and made a pastebin. You're probably too busy looking for another (You) to have seen it though.
https://pastebin.com/uvMs1MKa

>>10447849
I use an 8bitdo neo geo(bluetooth), a hori hayabusa pro noir, and a dual shock 4 over bluetooth. Used to have a hori fighting commander ps4 but one of the buttons got mushy so I replaced it with the hayabusa stick. I use these all on an ips panel, not even a 1ms one, but I still end up with only 1 frame of lag.

>>10447884
Do you have a point of reference to feel out the difference? or do you just trust your gut?

>>10447870
If my GPU adds an extra frame then that's the only one that's there. It's really easy to test how much lag there is in retroarch, its 1 frame.

>>10447884
>bluetooth
Which of course is renowned for it’s low, non variable input latency.

>>10447893
In retroarch if you press the k key on the keyboard it pauses the emulation while still accepting inputs. You can the hold the jump button on the controllers while pressing k to advance the emulation frame by frame. The jump will come out on the first possible frame. Most of my games at first will have 3 frames of lag(two frames on original hardware plus one more from the emulation). I then add 2 frame of runahead, perform the test again and the jump will come out on the first frame.

>>10447901
My point is, that it doesnt matter if bluetooth adds a few ms of lag, the run ahead feature still gets the lag down to 1 frame.

>>10447872
That was what I paid in May, including shipping, no extra taxes on the DE-10 to my location.

What’s with this hardware price obsession? It’s never ending.

>>10447907
So you have the software side, you don't think the hardware side will affect anything in the chain?

>>10447910
>the run ahead feature still gets the lag down to 1 frame.
Run ahead gets the input lag from the games logic down to 1 frame, all the other sources of PC latency are still there. Input, OS, GPU lag is still the same and it isn’t 1 frame. You are probably playing with 2-3 frames.

Love how the mister and retroarch make normalfags seethe

>>10447910
>bluetooth adds 1 frame of lag
>runahead removes 1 frame of lag
Great, how about the rest

>>10447945
Runahead can remove more than 1 frame of lag. I have mine set to 2-4 depending on the game.

>>10447930
>You are probably playing with 2-3 frames.
Idk man, the shit feels ridiculously crisp and responsive to me. I demonstrated how I tested the lag, and you're over here saying
>probably

>>10447953
Yes, but that still won’t leave you with a 1 frame of input lag. You do know that pausing the emulator and using frame advance is only telling you how many frames of lag the game has, not how many you have in total?

>>10447914
As far as the MiSTer goes, the DE-10 Nano itself does not introduce any additional delay in miliseconds. Somewhere down the line between the button actuating and the action happening on the screen, there is a delay happening which you can only mitigate.

The biggest thing you can do is have a controller with imperceptible delay.

Method 1:
>making sure your controller's encoder has a very low delay
Reference this database and choose your controllers according to your budget and needs:
https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency

Method 2:
>using SNAC which bypasses the Linux layer and interfaces directly with the FPGA
>Otherwise known as experiencing the original delay as original hardware

With Method 1, all emulators that rely on the OS in any way to interface with a USB device will add frames on top of the delay that comes with the encoder.

The other thing you can do is focus on getting a display with the least amount of delay. I simply choose a CRT for MiSTer and call it a day. My PC gaming is done on a 144hz 1.75ms display and modern games are designed to take into account varying delay so it's ok.

>>10447965
Good thing you're anonymous and nobody will ever know you're trying to convince yourself despite all of this information. Have a good day.

>>10447996
Have a good day misterfag. I'm glad I could help you rationalize blowing a bunch of money for a slightly worse experience than retroarch that cant play nearly as many games ^_^

>>10447979
Your entire post makes me think of audiophiles posting about their gold plated optical cables and specialized wall socket covers. Is latency really such a big deal?
I've played a lot of vidya on various devices. Original hardware on a CRT TV, PC games on a PC CRT, ZSNES emulation on a shitty early 2000's PC LCD screen, upscalers on fancy modern OLED TVs, wireless and wired controllers of every price range and quality etc. And not once have I thought "Damn, if only I didn't have so much fucking latency."

>>10447880
Posting a bunch of links without prices to ebay and Amazon...and saying just go look for yourself is not an answer.

>>10447913
>What’s with this hardware price obsession? It’s never ending.
Because for the Mister to be a feasible and practical option, it needs to cheaper than just using a modern console or a cheap computer running software Emulation.

>>10448021
It depends, but it's definitely not placebo. If you don't ever notice it, who cares, don't go down the rabbit hole. It's usually important when you play on real hardware at local tournaments (or for fun like me) so you want to recreate the environment at home in case you don't have the real hardware. [some shill shit, but] This is why the MiSTer is important. It preserves and recreates that environment in terms of delay and video timings for much cheaper than seeking real hardware.

As far as Audiophile shit goes, an mp3 will sound better through WASAPI or ASIO than through DirectSound. All you need is a respectable brand of audio equipment but it certainly does not need to cost in the $1k+ range unless you're working on music yourself. Just don't buy garbage chinese e-waste.

>>10448021
I doubt most people in this thread can detect 1ms of latency. It's similar to the CRT fags in the CRT general complaining about LCD lag, but havent even used an modern esports gaming monitor that has a 1ms response time. Their minds are stuck in 2004.

>>10441050
>It's not emulation!
>They just gotta work on making more games compatible... like emulators... but it's not the same...

>>10448059
>Because for the Mister to be a feasible and practical option, it needs to cheaper than just using a modern console or a cheap computer running software Emulation.
This. The magic number is $299, and it has to be fully assembled ready to go. No putting it "together yourself" nonsense that some people cope post here.

I only care about the Mister being a dedicated portable retro gaming box. Nothing else. Something I can bring to friends homes, or my local gaming tournaments. Then plug it in and play immediately. I don't always want to use,or bring my laptop for emulating retro games. It's a pain. Or bringing my increasingly rare arcade boards to gaming events and using a supergun.

If Mister goes beyond the price of me just buying a dedicated entry level laptop, then it's simply not a good solution for me. And I'm not a poorfag either. I have money, but I was taught to be financially responsible, and weigh my purchases carefully.

>>10448095
>I only care about the Mister being a dedicated portable retro gaming box. Nothing else.
It’s your lucky day, that’s what it is!

>>10448095
>This. The magic number is $299, and it has to be fully assembled ready to go. No putting it "together yourself" nonsense that some people cope post here.
The MiSTer is an open source project. There are no designated factories printing out SDRAMS and Analog IO boards just for the MiSTer. Everything you see on sale for the MiSTer is sourced from different places. You're paying more money so that you don't have to get the gerber files for each daughter-board you want, find out that PCB shops require you to order a minimum in bulk, and then have to solder the missing terminals yourself. So if it's not a solution for you, just buy a Dell Optiplex and sort it out on there. There are also micro form factor PCs you can buy if you need a wallet sized device.

>>10448134
>There are no designated factories printing out SDRAMS and Analog IO boards just for the MiSTer
You just don't shop at the right places

>>10448159
I paid way less than that because I bought each piece and put it together myself. Which puts into question what you said about being taught to be "financially responsible".

>>10448159
Damn, your currency sucks

>>10446134
So this dumb faggot doesn’t know how to order directly from a manufacturer and goes through a third party that marks up the price double, whhhhheeeeeeeeewwww lad - better not even get started with this device. You clearly are retarded

>>10448095
>I don't always want to use,or bring my laptop for emulating retro games. It's a pain.
>just buying a dedicated entry level laptop
Instead of going through mental gymnastics to justify not buying something you don't want, you could just not buy one and also not tell us.

>>10446772
lol, is “begging” for money when you make over 3k a month for something you would do anyways for free but people will throw money at you simply for doing what you are passionate about? Your mom is begging for my cock

>>10446142

>>10448168
>Which puts into question what you said about being taught to be "financially responsible".
If the Mister doesn't offer a financial advantage to me, then why would I bother investing time into assembling it? It's still over $300 dollars either way. Whether it's $600 dollars buying it fully assembled...or $400 dollars putting it together myself, it's still more than I would like to pay for such a product. Did you not read my post at all?

>>10448323
ok, bub, go ahead and justify why the price of a pre-built kit is out of your price range but putting it together for cheaper is still too expensive.

>open the stupid ass pastebin that's being spammed
>wanted to estimate total price
>ebay pushed the order through
Please tell me there is a way to cancel a purchase on eBay. Never had to cancel before and I had the sdram in the cart.

>>10448350
Stop replying to me unless you can price out a full Mister for less than $299

This is a mister. It is functionally capable to do everything most people would want a Mister to do. It costs $250.

>>10448415
1. Where to buy

2. It has no case. It's naked.

>>10447820
>this database uses (not a controller) as the benchmark for input delay on controllers
Possibly ESL retard or super retard. There's only a MiSTer database because it can be used as a convenient controller interface in an Arduino testing setup and its userbase is more worried about the lag of chinc SNES controller clones and shit than fighting game players.

>>10448414
>stop reminding me I'm poor

>>10448468
Stop wasting valuable thread space if that's the best reply you got.

>>10448476
ironic

>>10448528
Do you think you are clever or something?

>>10448428
It comes with a top cover, what more do you need? Just put it in a cardboard box or wrap it up in christmas paper.

>>10447327
>I'm mad you nailed it
Indeed. I can hear your veins popping from here.

>>10448575
>Just put it in a cardboard box or wrap it up in christmas paper.
Have some standards anon.

>>10448649
How about yourself stop moving the goalposts cunt.

>>10448575
>put it in a cardboard box
I'm pretty sure anon wants a real case.

>>10448665
This isn't an exercise in how GHETTO you can make your Mister setup. Otherwise we should just wrap it in a ball of electrical tape and call It a day.

>>10448803
Easy enough to make one. https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/basics/case/

>>10448803
Next you'll tell me he wants a power switch instead of yanking the dc cable out to turn it off.

>>10448824
Well you're not talking about a mister any more then, you're talking about what it costs for all the bells and whistles to be spoonfed to you.

>>10448831
Since when is having a case considered "bells and whistles" ? Unbelievable.

>it's now worth 4x what it cost
Not my problem.

>>10448830
How dare you demand a power button you peasant!

>>10448852
I still run a naked sammich since 2020

>>10448476
>Valuable thread space
>MISTER fpga thread

>>10448830
I never turn mine off, what for?

>>10449438
it's about $20 a year to run it 24/7/365

>>10449467
>no power switch
>20 dollars a year to run

Sorry mistr coping fags, but you've gotta calculate that yearly draw into the cost of the console itself. So if you play it for 5 years there's another 100 bucks. Plus tax and shipping? Way more than 500 dollars. My raspberry pi costs like 3 dollars a year to run.

>>10449535
Why do you salty, diabetic old boomers feel the need to misrepresent the MiSTer project to such an extent?. It's an ENTHUSIAST platform for ENTHUSIASTS. It's like throwing shit at a Lamborghini because you say you don't need more than your old 1999 Corolla. Yes, both things have wheels and both will drive you to Wal-Mart just fine, but they are for completely different markets.

I am still unsure on what the mister mascot even is.

>>10449608
The angry cat diskun?

>>10449565
A Lamborghini is a status symbol not an enthusiast platform you dumb shit.

>>10449608
>>10449612
I can't remember but the cat is based on the designer's cat I think. So it's more of a self reference that caught on.

>>10449608
It's mister kun.

>>10449682
Should be called Mr. Mister

>>10448852
It comes with a case that does the job, you may not like it but it does.

>>10449535
>You've gotta calculate that yearly draw into the cost of the console itself.
If the cost of the power button and its installation is expensive enough, it may be more cost effective to leave it running 24/7.

>>10449717
That's not a case. Just stop.

>>10441032
>he fell for the mister scam

>>10449612
>>10449673
No. I am not talking about the cat.

>>10448081
This is my problem with Mister. How the fuck do they know when a core is "done"? New bugs are found in cores all the time, so clearly they're not perfect at present, but even if I accept that it's possible for an FPGA to be 100% accurate how the hell would anyone know that we've reached that point?


How can anyone claim that Mister cores are more accurate than an emulator when you don't even know how different they are compared to the original hardware?

>>10449785
A public core is almost indistiguishable from real hardware right up until someone discovers an obscure bug.

>>10449565
No enthusiast who plays to win would ever buy that shit.

>>10449785
They have to decap the chips to reconstruct the HDL, or somehow get the original HDL. You can on some level forget about the games in that scenario because if you reconstruct the chip by visual examination then anything designed to run on it will "just work." I'm way oversimplifying but the point is that you'll know when its done because you have something physically there to compare it to. Which is way more accurate than chasing down bugs one at a time in released software. Given the age of these systems you do run into problems because of different, now obsolete manufacturing methodologies that end up affecting how the original chips functioned but as a general rule if the chip has been decapped the core is done.

>>10449785
>New bugs are found in cores all the time
This is not entirely true. The vast majority of "bugs" reported are either due to garbage downloads from romz sites, or morons reporting broken behaviour that the original platforms also exhibited.

>>10449804
For some implementations it is reasonable to black box the design from the documentation. Does it matter if vtech laser is accurate to every undocumented glitch if all the software works perfectly?

>>10449802
What the hell is an enthusiast that plays to win?
Why does a row of street fighter arcade machines have to do with anything?

>>10450017
I'm picturing a montage of some fedora practicing his hadouken spam to shoryuken trap for hours every day after getting his shit pushed in by Zangief trap spams.

Soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX_fK6P34dA

>>10450074
That is great and nostalgic and all and I remember those days but it’s been decades.
There’s no point in the comparison.

Just a psyop to get zoomers to pay the gatekeeper tax (it's working lol). I will look at these funny scanlines and chuckle before liquidating the once-free collection on ebay to go into my crypto wallet whence I shall dump on them again at the top of the next bull run is what I'd say if I were the kind of faggot that gives two shits about anything but the mustard plug that God intended.

>>10449785
>How can anyone claim that Mister cores are more accurate than an emulator when you don't even know how different they are compared to the original hardware?
Because the hardware engineers that have come into the scene thanks to MiSTer are working on this stuff using logic analysers and oscilliscopes and are writting a bunch of new tests for real hardware. So these tests and measurements tell you what real hardware is doing in a way that wasn't really possible until now, so it's much easier to know how you stack up against the real thing, other emulators and what your implementation needs to improve.

at the end of the day its just emulation

>>10441032
can we just ban mister threads already?

>>10446147
Holy shit, $615? Not fucking worth it. I'm better off building another awesome Gaming PC (pic related) than buying this piece of shit emulator box(MiSTer). Thanks for saving me $615!

>>10446147
Hey, gold bricks are expensive

>>10449717
That's too exposed. Cockroaches can crawl into it.

>>10450010
I mean, sure, if game compatibility is all that matters. Which if we're being pragmatic, is true. But there could always be some edge case where the core is inaccurate and you'd never know because no retail game is affected by that fringe inaccuracy. Is that something worth pursuing? Probably not but homebrew is a thing so it's conceivable that a new game shows up that works on MiSTer/original hardware but not the other.

>>10449565
Actually the gaming PC is a Lamborghini that can play both retro & modern games. The MiSTer has no real value, it's just a station wagon with new parts installed. The new parts could run on solar or electric, but no one wants to drive a station wagon.

>>10450714
>I have a hard time minding my own business in threads I have no interest in, can you mind it for me?

>>10449565
Every mister thread is like watching the goalposts shift in real time.
>it's hardware replication!
>Ok it's not exactly but it is closer than software emulation!
>Ok even though every core is based off the work done by software emulation it's still better!
>Ok well so what it can't play ALL the games for psx/n64, that was a given from the start! There's still no lag!
>Ok so I stopped using a modern TV and started using a crt because the lcd has inherent lag!
>It's actually not 500 dollars because I can use my brother's student ID to get some money off! Nevermind the cost of extra ram, snac adapters, a controller, a case, kitchen appliance tier power draw, and the cost of getting av out of this device to begin with!

Face it nerds, this thing is a massive peice of shit skilled to you by your favorite e celebrity and is eclipsed by emulation and original hardware. Mistr is ironically the worst way to play in every aspect. These two are the hardest pushers of this bullshit and before any mister sister comes in here and says oh but we never said it was hardware replication, watch their first video on the shitster, it's fucking hilarious in retrospect.

>>10451171
lol no

>>10451193
Is there any actual difference you can objectively point out when playing games?
Checkmate faggot

>>10451256
Yes. Stay mad.

>>10451171
All the anti-MiSTer fags did was change the topic around when their bullshit was debunked. Get the fuck out of here.

>>10451171
>>It's actually not 500 dollars because I can use my brother's student ID to get some money off! Nevermind the cost of extra ram, snac adapters, a controller, a case, kitchen appliance tier power draw, and the cost of getting av out of this device to begin with!

This is the funniest part. Mister fans were saying to just use the Mister without a case. Just naked and components exposed. All to save money.

This is like saying you should your CRT monitor without a case. Or your desktop without a case. Sure you could, but that's stupid to leave it exposed.

Why can't Misterfags simply admit:

"Yes the Mister is a little pricey at around $500 to $600 with all the components added in. It's not for everyone. It's a niche luxury product meant for enthusiasts who want a product with no lag, or who want a portable retro gaming box. It's not fully developed yet, and weaker than software Emulation in some respects, but many of us are hopeful about its future. So we're supporting this project early on. "

At least that I can respect. Instead of this BS of claiming it's cheap! And it's not expensive! And it's better than emulating! You only Need $199!
I mean come on you can't have it all.

>>10450714

>>10451405
Maybe stop being a fag farter and then we can talk

>>10451396
So you just want someone to validate your retarded expectations?

Come on, man.

>>10451256
yeah. everythread I challenge you fags to upload video of chrono sprinting back and forth at the mil lenial fair and finally someone did in the last thread and the truth was exposec to all. higan, bsnes, aeres, even snes9x (albeit less so) stutters like a motherfucker in every fucking game while mister does not. and its not just snes emulators either. and there is not a thing you can do to completely remove it.

>>10451396
>ust use the Mister without a case. Just naked and components exposed.

It works fine like that I used mine for more than six months like that until I got around to making a case. Now it's a free country and you can screech that you must have a case and get upset that you feel the need to pay someone else to do it for you, but it does not invalidate the fact the de10 is designed to work perfectly just how it comes out of the box.

>>10451697
Software emulation is just shit. It is basically only good enough for prototyping in this new age of FPGA implementation.

Imagine being so poor that you make a $20 case the reason you put up with lag.

>>10451697
That's not what happened schizo

>>10451790
I believe him.

>>10451697
I remember this. I think it's great that everyone has every option available at all levels of accessibility because that is how everyone can play something. But to outright think one is superior to the other, even when there are black and white discrepancies is dumb. So if one artifact that doesn't happen on console and it is significant enough to wonder how well the other solutions fare, why do people have to turn it into an argument? I'm glad you asked people to run that experiment.

>>10450698
It's not emulation. Emulation is for poorfags. Mister is just better.

>>10442719
You are trolling.

>>10451697
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
500 dollars so chrono trigger doesn't lag doing something you don't have to do lmfao. It's like if you were to play mario and jump 50 times in a row before even moving in 1-1- and on the 49th jump there was a stutter on bsnes and not a stutter on mister. That's how fucking stupid your little gay ass test was. Show us a real world case scenario where a player who is just normally playing through the game would notice. Protip? You can't. Enjoy running back and forth from one side of the screen to the other for no reason other than to say you can, you sure got me there.

>>10451885
Here it is, the last guy on vr grasping onto the hardware replication lie till the end of time

>>10451319
It wasn't debunked. The MiSTer really does cost $615. $115 more than the $500 claim, and $365 more than the $250 claim.

>>10451885
Poorfags buy a MiSTer. Rich Chads buy original hardware.

>>10451904
But FPGA legitimately is hardware-based emulation. There is no virtualized environment wrapped in an operating system layer in FPGA. Software emulation entirely relies on the operating system to use the hardware resources.

>>10451946
You don't know anything about programming. You are just spouting buzzwords you heard. You don't know specifics.

>>10451952
Besides trying to call me out, can you point out anything wrong I said?

This is the state of the tribal mentality we have in this thread.

>>10451961
So why can't your shitty hardware replicating device play the entire psx and n64 library? Because it doesn't replicate the hardware

>>10451908
$3000 prebuilt PCs are being sold but saying it's the only option for PC gaming is disingenuous.

>>10451961
>can you point out anything wrong I said?

You didn't say anything. Just buzzwords strung together

>virtualized environment wrapped in an operating system

Lmao.

>>10451998
Not to mention Mister devs are using research and solutions discovered from software emulator development. Kek

>>10451998
there goes that tribal mentality again. what is your real pain? you're trying so hard to shit smear a solution you don't care about.

this whole thread comes off like a bunch of middle-aged republicans shitting up a democratic social media page.

>>10452052
just like christians trying to claim dinosaur bones are fake.

just like flat earthers arguing the earth is pizza.
(mmm pizza now I made myself hungry)

>>10452060
Just drop it. They're clearly trying to get one up on a seemingly vulnerable community. They have no goal to actually learn from these thread. They are just racking up (You)'s and more copy-pasta to spam in the next thread.

>>10452052
>>10452060
Will you poltards go back? This isn't a discussion about politics.

So it's basically an emulator box with (supposedly) less lag? That's it?

This what hundreds of dollars gets me? Is this really necessary?

Surely emulation can fix whatever issues you people have. Just go on the emulator forums tell the devs your issues with the emulator. They will get around to fixing it.

>>10452150
Surely you could just stop being poor.

>>10451805
>I think it's great that everyone has every option available at all levels of accessibility because that is how everyone can play something.
This is the end of the conversation. The fact is that there isn't one option to rule them all because they all have costs and benefits. If you have a potato laptop and want to turn it into a portable emulation machine, you can do that. It won't be the most accurate way to play these games but it will get the job done. Meanwhile if you're rocking a CRT and want to use original light guns, a MiSTer allows you to do that. What the best option is for someone depends on what exactly it is they want to do. Clearly MiSTer has advantages over software emulation. But there are also disadvantages, like the price of the DE-10.

>>10452174
>But there are also disadvantages, like the price of the DE-10.
500 dollars, if memory serves me right when I priced everything out last. I'd rather build a emulation pc for that desu, at least it can play every psx game

>>10451961
There's a guy running around these MiSTer threads who likes to tell people they're wrong without posting any kind of rationale for it just to troll and attempt a derail. If you ask him to elaborate he dodges and acts like it was some major burn against you. Ignore him.

>>10452180
The DE-10 was never $500.

>>10452189
That's why I said priced everything out last. The everything part is pretty important

>>10452192
You don't need "everything else."

>>10452198
I sure as hell am not going to use it without a case or power button

>>10452205
your needs does not reflect my needs.

>>10452002
Saying that the DE-10 is all you need is disingenuous. It's like saying I only need the Sega Genesis guts to play games with it. With the case, power supply, AV cable & controller, the Sega Genesis becomes a useless hunk of junk. You need the case for protection, you need the power supply for power, you need the AV cables to connect to a TV and you need the controller to play the games with. So no, a DE-10 is not enough to become a MiSTer, you need all the other parts to make it function & the case to protect it. An incomplete MiSTer is just a motherboard. May as well play a Gameboy without it's case. Not a good aesthetic.

>>10452307
The de-10 comes with all those things.

>>10443915
You may as well buy and actual PC Engine and Evercard for that price.

>>10452312
No it doesnt. Why lie?

>>10452312
Not true, the DE-10 is sold for $245 on MiSTerAddOns. No case, no other parts.

What's the point of buying these over priced emu-boxes when you could literally just buy the original consoles?

>>10452337
Agreed. Heck, even emulating on PC is a better option than a MiSTer.

>>10452337
>just buy the original consoles?
Well, that means buying an upscaler, buying a flash cart per console, and having multiple consoles in the place of a single mister.

>>10452406
I see. You buy them if you're a lazy trendster instead of liking these games. You may as well just hook a computer to your tv and play that way on an emulator.

>>10452307
>intentionally misconstruing the other side's argument for 8 sentences
Man I can't compete with that I concede

>>10452332
>buying from scalpers
Sucker.

>>10452435
its bait

>>10452406
It's actually fun buying upscalers, flash carts and having multiple consoles. Although I only ever need 1 flash cart(N64). I use my console minis to play SNES, Genesis, NES, PC Engine/Turbo Grafx 16, and PS1 games. I buy upscalers/hdmi converters for my Gamecube, Xbox, Dreamcast, Saturn, and N64, since my CRT TV went to shit. I love capturing gameplay on my capture card. So yeah, it's fun to have all these things and play them on an HDTV.

>>10452435
But you said it's only $250 to buy a MiSTer and that you only need a DE-10. $245 is below scapers prices. Nice try.

>>10452463
I think it's fun too. There are many options to suit many different people.

>>10452568
Agreed.

>>10442276
its just one sad man who also posts all the anti nintendo shit, its a mental illness where any attention, even negative, is better than the nothing they get every day, very troon like behavior actually

>>10441032
Holy shit what a dumb mutha fucker you are. Should have never gave you niggas money.

>>10452406
>buying an upscaler

Why are the mister fags so oblivious to scaler induced and lcd induced input latency.
>"no input lag"(citation needed)
>oh let me hook it up to a scaler and an lcd tv

Lmao. At that point pc emulation absolutely is better because you don't have to push it through more latency adding devices. Also you have run ahead. It's like every point these mistr sisters make it gets beaten to the dirt with cold hard facts. If you hook it up to a modern panel than stop going on about no latency. If you hook it up to a crt stop going on about muh 350 dollars LOL. They lose either way and will certainly continue moving the goalposts. Still nobody can show me a single instance where gameplay is affected minus some niche thing that nobody would actually do in the game. Sorry but I'm not running left and right in the chrono trigger starting town over and over to show the one flaw you found with bsnes, have sex dude.

>>10452693
You can go now.

>>10452641
Anti-Nintendo? Not sure about the others but I'm pro-Nintendo and Anti-MiSTer. Try again shill.

>>10452724
I forgot to attach this to my comment.

>>10452724
>>10452727

>>10452710
We "ran some tests" with "code" and now the "inaccuracies" are "fixed". Please check out our patreon when you get the chance

Until methodologies are disclosed and physical evidence is presented, this literally means jack shit. Also even if you believe this bullshit, it's still not even close to original hardware. So what's even the fucking point

>>10452738
Thanks for pre-moving the goalpost

>>10452693
>because you don't have to push it through more latency adding devices
A good upscaler should add less than a frame of lag. Mister doesn't need an upscaler because it can already output 480p. Old consoles that output 240p need an upscaler to run on a flatscreen (well a flatscreen might have composite inputs but its internal upscaler will be horrible). So you need an upscaler for them or you need a CRT.

>>10452760
lol i can hear his teefs gnashing

>>10452775
An HDTV is still going to need to upscale 480p, basic scan doublers are for 1) TVs that flat out can't handle 240p, and 2) TVs that have very slow deinterlacing because they're trying to make SDTV not look like ass and you'd rather have something slower and uglier for playing games. The fancy upscalers that go to 1080p or 4K are to get around slow and/or low quality TV upscalers.

>>10441032
>falling for the FPGA false-advertisements
its just a different type of emulation, anon. nothing about it is a "1 to 1 replication of original hardware". These assholes sold you a shiny $500 box on the lie that their product is inherently more accurate than emulation because they wrote their code in Verilog instead of C.

>>10452641
Remember trying to discuss mini consoles and every discussion was flooded by
>get an rpi

>>10452813
500 is chump change.

>>10452205
Don't then. misteraddons is just the thing for consoomers.

I'm got mine before all the tendie retards started driving up the costs buying from scalpers.

>>10452797
That's right, so mister won't need an upscaler unless the TV's internal upscaler is poor.

>>10452947
Mister gets a quality low-latency output on any display which is nice. Really a solid just werx solution.

>>10452901
Doesn't make MiSTer worthy of $500.

>>10451049
the jannies are supposed to clean up shill threads like this

>>10452760
I didn't move the goalpost, I have always known the trash was never 100% accurate so it makes no fucking sense to bust out FIVE HUNDRED dollars (500! That's right I said it!) On this peice of shit. Either get original hardware and get 100% accuracy, or don't and emulate instead because you as the player aren't going to notice it. But don't sit here and peach the superiority of a fpga "solution" that cannot 100% the hardware, and then blindly wave around some random ass test with no information on how it was conducted aside from "trust me bro". It's bullshit and disingenuous and it makes idiots like op go out and spend money they never should have. If the device can ever truly 1 to 1 original hardware I will buy one, but until then fuck off with this crap. Even crazier is telling me chrono trigger has a stutter when this thing can't even emulate all the ps1 games. Like yeah I'll take some random stutter that I nor anyone else will trigger over not having the entire psx library available. So emulation on pc has wider compatability, can play way more than snes at 100%, can have better latency than original hardware and it doesn't cost 500 dollars. The mistr can easily output to a crt. That's it, there's nothing more to add to the mistr side because everything else is better on pc/ raspberry pi (LOL).

>>10453017
My gaming PC cost $3k, I guess you found yours in the street?

>>10453032
I bet you use a Bluetooth controller.

>>10453049
You can build a pc that will emulate up to and including ps2/ gamecube/ xbox for less than 150 dollars all in easy. If you shop around and wait you may be able to squeeze in at 100 dollars.

>>10453053
Ok kid.

>>10453049
You overpaid for a prebuilt. Lol

>>10453053
Once again it boils down to settling for less because you are poor. I got mine when 5th gen wasn't even on the horizon and it has been worth every penny. I packed away all the rotting plastic for the final time, stopped fucking around with emulator settings for hours and just played games. Maybe your time is cheap, but my MiSTer paid for itself within a month and I got zero lag FOR FREE.

Byuu is so beautiful and androgynous. I would love to have sex with him.

It's somewhat obvious that he didn't actually kill himself.
It's just that he just couldn't handle all the free hate he was receiving for no reason. He's a pure soul.

>>10452731
A custom original Gameboy. A Carby HDMI Gamecube converter, a Nintendo 64 and a Gamecube controller...nice!

>>10453069
I love old computers but they take up so much space. It's nice to be able to play appleii or commodore without having all that shit. Plus mister works perfectly with all my retro displays including mono screen.

>>10453069
Wow, I can see the cope, seeth, and shilling all at once. You're trying to justify your $615 purchase of an emulation box by attacking consoles that come in plastic shells. Funny thing...my model 1 Sega Genesis is 33-years-old and shows no signs of ROT!

I didn't pay 615, mine cost me 170 all in 4 years ago. It's not my fault that you missed the boat. And I don't need to attack consoles, time does that for me FOR FREE

>>10453089
Geez pal lighten up, we can all afford both, right?

Just want to say this is the worst thread I've ever seen on this board and people really need to stop taking such low-tier bait.

>>10452731
>tendie

>>10453168
Thanks for your contribution FAG!

>>10446486
iirc, this is the same faggot calling himself a mame dev when all he was doing was just cleaninng up code like a pajeet, he wasnt actually coding anything

>>10446465
Most of the mister core developers are guys making $200K a year at their electronic engineering jobs. Jotego works for some sound EE company or something. The patreons they have are to encourage them to use more of their free time to work on these things, not as a real method of income.

>>10443002
>It can't play turok 2 because it's more accurate the original hardware. Turok 2 relied on bugs in the original hardware to work.

No, no it' not. One of the first tweets Robert ever made when he started work on the N64 core was that it will not be able to hit 100% accuracy because the FPGA on the MiSTer is just simply not capable of it. And you're trying to argue that it's somehow 110%+ accurate compared to the original hardware?

It's not like Nintendo grabbed some off-the-shelf CPU and GPU to shove into the N64 but the revision they chose had a bug, and the core is based on the original off-the-shelf specs of those parts, the N64's CPU and GPU were custom. The only specs you can design the core over are the ones used in the N64.

>>10443750
>I have no doubt the mister project will move to a more powerful FPGA someday, but I'm still unconvinced by the Mars.

Same here, I am seeing many red flags that I have seen from various hardware projects, and not even all gaming-related projects, that went belly up when all their promises just ended up being smoke and mirrors. The 3D Printing scene was especially rife with stuff like that about 8-12 years ago. I would love it is it's all real and Mars delivers everything it promises, but right now there are too many red flags that are exactly like previous failures I have seen to trust it.

>>10443787
>because there's one really shitty game that noone cares about which only works on a specific hardware revision

And that game is?

>Unfortunately that game requires a later revision console, meanwhile a bunch of other games have minor graphical glitches on the later revisions due to Sony fixing some GPU hardware bugs

... and those games are?

Mind actually listing any of these games?

>>10443871
>Imagine being able to virtually build a retro PC from discreet components? You start with a motherboard and then pick from a list of available CPUs, GPUs, soundcards, etc.

The MiSTer supports a 486, that's about it's limit

>>10453449
Mister could do better than the ao486 core, just no one cares enough to do it and probably isn't worth the effort. Someone has already replicated a pentium computer on a comparable fpga chip.

>>10446241
That's nonsense. It's more because most "arcades" these days are just ticket redemption style games, the arcade games themselves being ports of mobile games like Angry Birds or Fruit Ninja, or have very unique control setups that would be pretty much impossible to replicate on a console on the standard controller, and in some cases not even feasible with a custom controller (Jubeat, Nostalgia, MaiMai, etc). Sadly, those are rare to see outside of Japan. For others, they DO come out on consoles (such as Cruis'n Exotica).

In the case of DDR, pretty safe to say the reason is because far more casual dancing "games" like Let's Dance have usurped ones that require a custom controller like DDR. In 2023 it's a much harder sell to go "Oh, you have to buy this minimum 35x35 inch mat (but there are much larger and heavier ones) to play the game and it just records a few places you step your feet on" over "Oh, you just have to hold a controller or smartphone in your hand so it's motion trackers can track your movement, and you have a much wider range of movement than a DDR pad" to most console modern players.

>>10446383
Who the fuck is making $125 an hour these days?

>>10453670
Befriend your boss who gets government contracts.

>>10453670
It's LARP. Nobody making that kind of money posts like that. Retards online are either shit broke or mega rich billionaires. Normie professionals with solid careers aren't shitposting a MiSTer thread on /vr/.

>>10454004
Billionaires aren't posting on MiSTer threads. You're more likely to attract professionals with solid careers on this thread than billionaires or millionaires.

>>10454038
those kind of faggots stick to places like reddit and discord where they can show off all their shit and get thumbs ups and reacts

4chan mostly has retarded emulator shitters like you see in this thread with the occasional enthusiast

>>10449931
>garbage downloads from romz sites
This has literally never happened, ever.

>>10454081
>he doesnt know about goodset roms
ngmi

>>10454082
I used to be a supplier & dumper for MODE7 and if you think I'm impressed by redump basedfaggots cataloging CRC values you are sadly mistaken. Go back to your gay "preservationist" projects, people here just want to play video games. There are no "garbage downloads", only people obsessing over checksum mismatches and crying when their cycle accurate memulator doesn't pass synthetic accuracy benchmarks

>>10454130
i dont know what the fuck you just wrote but if you're implying bad dumps don't exist, you are a retard

>>10454082
>goodset
he doesn't know about no-intro roms

>>10454149
>went over your head
woo lad

>>10454143
I know you just admitted that you didn't understand what I was saying but the point is bad dumps have never been an issue with emulation, because in 99% of cases they were just overdumps with a different checksums.
The problem have only ever been spergs like you, obsessing over >muh historical preservation and >muh cycle accurate emulation.
I have played literally (not figuratively) every gbc and gba dump that has ever been scene-released and I can count on one hand the amount of times that a redump made a meaningful difference when playing the ROM.

>>10454158
Retard I'm an oldfag and it has more to do with bad dumps with bad header files or even worse a lot of early SNES dumps even had trainers put on them like Breath of Fire 2, if you think people using these bad dumps never caused false bug reports, just take an intentional death.