/vr/ - Retro Games

I want to get good at this series, but it may be one of the absolute hardest out there.

>>10440493
It's only hard because of the random enemies and because on most gamepads it's "false verticals: the game". If there was a mod to add the r button diagonal cast from Shun it'd be easy

>game has a hundred levels
>you're automatically sent to the last level after 30 mins of playing

Dropped

>>10440493
It's only particularly difficult if you want to speedrun it. If you just want to be competent and be able to clear all the levels, it's quite forgiving outside of a couple bullshit ones.
Here's a short video showing off some tech that will make a lot of the levels easier (and more fun!). It's Shun, but everything in this can be done in the original as well.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mqgjraxzGfU

>>10440558
It doesn't even have half that, you stupid shitposter.

>>10440487
It's just janky garbage. The most fun grapple mechanics are still Spider-Man 2 and Zelda TP's double hookshot

>>10440648
I'm a ninja rope fan myself. Honorable mention to early Quake mods

>>10440487
>no one talks about this game
People talk about it all the time, way more than the original rope platformer Bionic Commando, despite it getting a reboot. Somehow Bionic Commando is completely forgotten while this "hidden gem" is being "discovered" by a new youtuber every week

>>10440487
>it's fucking garbage
It's a "hidden gem" on the SNES, you expected something different?

>>10440487
The best game on the super nintendo, /vr/ being full of casual nintendo fans makes it more difficult to discuss the game than it is to play it.

>>10440783
Bionic Commando has a stiff grappling hook that works nothing like Umihara.

>>10440487
>>10440493
There are some factors. It’s one of those games that legit takes time to git gud at. You have to understand the physics and how they work but eventually you’ll be skipping through entire sections swinging like Spider-Man.

When you get to Shin you basically need to play the DS version as it has the best physics and all the other versions of shin have some issues. It’s a super difficult game but one of the most rewarding platformers to git gud at and it stays good all the way up to rebirth… which was mediocre at best.

>>10441202
Never said it did. They're both rope based platformers how much more of a similarity do you need

>>10441176
You just know you're dealing with the biggest poser when they say this shit is the best at anything. Definitely hasn't played the game in years and only knows about it because of a Japanese TV show.

auster-tier falseflag thread

>>10440487
I like this game. It would have been fun to combo it with some sort of weapon.

Also what is wrong with nippos, they make games and movies with women doing things that they simply aren't interested in IRL. Are they intentionally trying to make all the single raised boys trannies?

>>10440648
>westo-shit
>lock n key 'mechanic' with no free styling at all

>>10440487
Got more games released then metroid

>>10441472
I don't watch e celebs, umihara kawase is better than donkey kong. You have bad taste and a mental disorder.

>I'M... A LITTLE ZOOMER... AND... I HAD A BAD TIME!!! SOMEONE MUST PAY!!!!!!! VR MUST PAY FOR MAKING ME HAVE A BAD TIME WITH THIS VIDEO GAME!!!!

>>10440487
They're good games, but you need to watch random japanese youtube accounts to get a feel for higher level strats. Learning how to do certain moves is requires and is poorly explains outside of Japanese strategy guides. Start with Shun. It's the most well thought out in the series. Stuff like F56 and the harder to get to door on F27 will test how much you know about the physics.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs4ao2wl606dkAG6IcYBayw

>>10443815
High level play is exciting, what's great is the game does require skill this good for 100% completion, and earlier stages become fun to blitz thru. There's a few fan sites like kawasefan if the nintendo centric community on /vr/ is too abrasive.

>>10443792
>>10443815
>>10445017
It's field 52 in particular that made me angry enough to make this thread.
>go left, grab the gravity platform, pull it down
>get on top of it
>jump+ diagonal rope to the edge so the platform can rise a bit
This is fucking annoying because you get caught on the corner and risk getting trapped on the wrong side of the falling platform as it rises up, but whatever
>drop back on the platform when it reaches your feet, rope jump vertical to latch onto the upper ceiling
The upper ceiling is offscreen and you can barely make it with tight timing
>reel in so you're just below the ink clouds, but close enough that you can grab the ledge
This is where I got mad. The momentum from jumping to reach the ceiling with your hook makes you bounce up and down like crazy, and you can't wait for the momentum to end because the rising gravity platform hits your feet, falls again, and bounces you into the ink clouds. Because the gravity platform is narrow and ink clouds (unlike other stuns) disable your ability to cast your line, this is unavoidable death. THEN, once you're up there, you have to hook the octopus and run back onto the gravity platform, because octopuses only stun when they're falling, which I wouldn't even have fucking known without the guide. THEN you have to cast a hook on a high diagonal WHILE AVOIDING THE INFINITE DOUBLE FISH, which spawn in if you take too long to reach them. It's fucking retarded.

>>10445096
AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

>>10445231
Super backsling ftw. But I had to use save states for the final level, I could get there reliably but wasted too many tries on the backsling or trying to climb. Gonna do it again without states.

>>10445331

>>10445498
This is nonsense. I've watched a video and cannot replicate the move. Why the FUCK do the walkthrough people never show inputs? I have no idea when they're reeling vs just swinging.

>>10440742
I wish there was a game that just copied the rope mechanics from Worms and made a whole game around it but at the same time I wish every other Worms server online didn't just play shopper and WxW nonstop

>>10445798
I give up, fuck this shit. This level is impossible on snes, they must have fixed it for the DS rerelaese. I can't proc a ledge grab on the glass block whereas the guys in the videos can. I refuse to believe this can be done on the original version.

Great physics, great moveset, great level design, overall just great gameplay. However I really don't like the bosses at all and just overall how the game is structured and how unforgiving it is.
I have a feeling people just use save states until they git gud at particular levels and then attempt a normal run.
And particularly having to deal with that timed toadpole boss constantly is just a pain in the ass.

>>10445827
I zoomed in on the video. He jumps SLIGHTLY left instead of right when he first hooks onto the moving blocks. Why? I don't fucking know. But it works. Fuck this game.

>>10440487
Sadism is fun though

>>10445812
Teeworlds is pretty close but there's no bending or bouncing physics

>>10445842
Here's a hack I found to skip the bosses.
https://kawasefan.net/forum/index.php?topic=114
Check it out.

>>10445812
I was thinking that the Worms ninja rope plus the smooth, fast running platforming of N would make a really satisfying combination

>>10445096
>>10445231
>>10445798
Shun anon again. I might be too late, but I made a video a few years back where I show my inputs while I go through this route.

https://youtu.be/ah4xEfE1T4Q?si=2zCtf0qB61Lvj1Ac

If you haven't already, you should check out Shun. Its level design teaches you the moveset better than the original. This Japanese guy's channel has some great Sayonara and Shun tips (and also Fresh, but we don't talk aboit Fresh).

https://www.youtube.com/@choldhc3083/videos

>>10445995
Thank you my man. Really appreciate it

>>10445995
Damn, an old timey fan forum of niche interest. Feels wholesome to just see some of these communities still stick around.