/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10395328
OP here:
sauce = brandish pc-98
this image is metal orange

many different games
all of them
i play RGB
yes but its getting more kiked every year.
Seems the retro gayming pandemic has made its way to my corner of the globe
300km.
But it was very worth it.

I got the Sony KV-20FS12 the other day. I'm surprised it didn't have S-video with it, but then I saw you could mod rgb mod it so that's a nice option. I do find it funny how the back has mono video input while the front has stereo in its cute little tray area.

>>10395812
To add to OP's questions:
I tried F-Zero on N64 for the first time and was surprised how well the car controls in that game with how precise it is. The N64 stick truly is a gift that man spat in the face of.
I would say Anything from PS2 below benefit from CRTs. Playing Spyro 2 on my JVC I'Art in S-video made it feel like I was playing on an HD tv. The colors were very vibrant and popped in that flat screens fail to emulate.
Honestly I haven't played much dither heavy games, but I would say RRT4 looks great. I feel the s-video might make it "too clear" to see the dithering, but still.
I can get them for free if they are dropped of at my work, which is a blue moon type of situation.
I won't drive more than 10 miles radius around my house since the traffic is so bad outside of it.
I've made them understand and it is a fun hobby to get a TV and try it out to see how it looks.

>nothing because i've been ironsighted on fixing my room setup permanently
>everything pre gen 6
>everything sega basically because only sega utilized dithering to a fucking massive extent but off sega i'd say 3D PS1 games since that utilized dithering and certain patterns to achieve color blending and other fun techniques that look pretty on CRT's
>no
>not applicable yet, wanted to go 2 hours but couldnt unfortunately
>no but i got my main CRT thanks to a family friend that actually does

>what ya playing lately?
been on a late 90s/early 00s kick lately
>what titles do you think benefit the most from CRT?
Rhythm games and games that rely on timing like Legend of Drgaoon
>what are some of your favorite games/levels that make of dithering/blending?
SVC Chaos
>can you even find a CRT in your local area without wasting $200+?
They're free you just need to look around more
>how far have you driven to pick up a literal vintage television?
2 hours
>do you think people understand your compulsory hunt/hobby/neuroticism kek
No but that's okay. Trying to explain it online is impossible since you can't understand what makes a CRT great unless you actually use it. People IRL don't really care about retro games on a serious level like that, and if they do, they are most likely playing ports on model consoles or emulating, so they see CRTs as "those old big heavy tvs"

Whats the easiest way as a burgerboy to get a PAL signal working on a ntsc tv? Replacing the internal board? Is there a signal converter box available? Just manning up and importing a euro set?


In other news, walking home from work last week, i found a big ass Trinitron just sitting in a shopping cart waiting for me. It does have a little damage on the outter glare protection glass though. Is there any real way to replace those? Will i get ass blasted by radiation if i take it off?

>>10395328
>what ya playing lately?
Ar ee free on da Wee
>what titles do you think benefit the most from CRT?
most Mega Drive games probably, they rely a lot on blending and dithering due to limited color pallette so the nearest neighbor pixel art is not very good-looking
>what are some of your favorite games/levels that make of dithering/blending?
dunno, probably Aquatic Ruins Zone in Sonic 2
>can you even find a CRT in your local area without wasting $200+?
no prob, the most I've paid for a set was around 50$ and it was a PVM
>how far have you driven to pick up a literal vintage television?
something under 20km, I only use public transport though
>>10396080
why would you want a PAL signal anyway?

>>10395328
>what ya playing lately?
Played some Street Fighter Zero 3 with my friend earlier. Didn't take any photos unfortunately, so have a shitty pic of when I last played AC0.
>what titles do you think benefit the most from CRT?
2D pixel art games. CRT makes a lot of difference, especially the clear scrolling.
>what are some of your favorite games/levels that make of dithering/blending?
Dithering is one of the things that give PS1 games that unique look. I like it crisp, unblended via RGB, personally. Anon posted a great pic of Dino Crisis a while ago, should've saved it.
>can you even find a CRT in your local area without wasting $200+?
Lots of cheap CRTs here, from absolute shitboxes, through vintage sets, to top Sony models. All for no more than 25€.
>how far have you driven to pick up a literal vintage television?
My grandma still has one at her place. A real vintage set, black and white, RF only with some ancient connector. Haven't brought it over, but it's 17km from here. As for buying a nice TV, I got two great sets from sellers in my neighborhood. A few hundred meters or so.

>>10395812
Does that one has Component on teh back?

>>10396532
No, just two composite slots. Which is fine by me honestly since composite looks nice. I am a bit sad it didn't have s-video as it is a late set, but it looks like it is the cheaper model in terms of out of the box connecters. That said, it can be modded to enable s-video, component and RGB from what I have seen.

>>10396114
To play PAL games in the correct speed/non-blurry mess.

>>10395328
>>what ya playing lately?
a lot of misterfpga, so a little of everything
lately i've been using a pvm in tate for arcade pcb
>>what titles do you think benefit the most from CRT?
anything that uses the blending\shading
PIC FUCKIN RELATED BITCHES!!!!
>>what are some of your favorite games/levels that make of dithering/blending?
PIC FUCKING RELATED BITCHES
ok, seriously though- the pc98 has plenty of boob shading that benefits from crt blur
>>can you even find a CRT in your local area without wasting $200+?
NO. (california)
>>how far have you driven to pick up a literal vintage television?
4 hours round trip
but it was for a recapped\refurb\modded one
>>do you think people understand your compulsory hunt/hobby/neuroticism kek
sadly no, i've had plenty of women make snide comments
but if i find another crt with rgb\component for a good size\price
you bet your sweet ass im buying that shieeeet

Guys, I love CRTs.

>>10396720
>i've had plenty of women make snide comments
what were the snide comments exactly? I wanna hear the latest femoid ramblings.

>>10395328
>what ya playing lately?
nothing on a CRT :/
>what titles do you think benefit the most from CRT?
fast action games
>what are some of your favorite games/levels that make of dithering/blending?
castlevania 3 has some nice dithering that shows texture
>can you even find a CRT in your local area without wasting $200+?
yes, but also plenty of people who "know what they have" until they knock down the price when no one buys
>how far have you driven to pick up a literal vintage television?
68mi (109km)
>do you think people understand your compulsory hunt/hobby/neuroticism kek
i've explained at length to the point where nobody asks anymore

>>10397041
Me too

>Sony pvm
>HAS supergun [cga]>rgb>scart2svideo
I wish I could capture how wonderful this setup is
I still can't believe it

Game: nebulas ray
Developer: namco
Ported systems: none motherfuckers good luck

>>10397970
Brings a tear to my eye
Solid day off bros

>>10397970
>>10397974

>>10397970
when will you learn to take good pics anon

>>10396683
Late 90s PAL trinitrons can handle NTSC composite and RGB input just fine. Does it not work the other way around in burgerland? I'd imagine there is a need for the RGB->Ypbpr conversion, but nothing more?

Should I try my luck with mortality and finally get around to buying and putting in new calibration strips on my Wega?

>>10398363
i need a different phone or maybe a different app
i have an iphone 14pro but it refuses to take good video/photos of crt
most of the video is rolling shutter artifacts

my other moto razr 2023 has a camera that is even worse kek

with the light on
the composition is better but now you cant see the detail of the crt

>>10398385
burgerland? its a pain in the ass
if you use a flat panel gaming monitor PAL is no problem
even the retrotink 2xpro will upscale it properly

you want PAL signal on a NTSC region crt?
unless you have a set that specifically supports PAL you are fucked
there are PAL>NTSC converters but i havent tried them myself
bums me out bc i want to play speccy shit on a small crt (i have a zx-81 timex sinclair)

converting PAL rf to ntsc is too much chasing the whale for me sadly
emulation on a pc over hdmi and then downscaling is the best i can do

sony pvm, pelco monitors, and various sony vcr DO support pal signal though

>>10398421
how bad is it anon?
most of the time these threads have the linearity grid test up and it looks literally fine
if you wouldnt notice it as a child then leave it be

>>10398492
Surely at least some US models are known and verified to support PAL?

>>10398492
The ZX +2, one of the models(there are two colors), supposedly is the model to go for as far as playing games on an ntsc set.

Found a cool site listing Japanese Trinitrons with the PlayStation Multi AV in and multisync monitors from various manufacturers.
http://rgbcharmer.kt.fc2.com/rgb-kankyou-koutiku-rgb-monitor.htm

fellas, how impossible is CRT repair? I keep hearing about how dangerous it is to repair CRTs, and that basically only like 2 people on the planet even have it as a business, and even they don't want to do it, so does that mean whenever a CRT dies, it's permanently fatal? how do you make it safer? what is it that makes it so deadly?

>>10397046
lady 1:
>"your box tv kills me..."
lady 2:
>"you have such a cute house but its filled with junk.."
lady 3:
>"this walk-in closet reminds me of Helga from hey arnold lol"
lady 4:
actually comes over at 4am and plays snes for 5 hours with me, smokes weed; never talks to me again
she lived a bit far & had a lot going on though
personal issues

>>10400152
>lady 1:
>>"your box tv kills me..
Good. Irradiate that bitch.

>>10400126
The problem is when a flyback or the actual tube dies, no one is making them anymore and finding replacements is difficult

usually problems are fixed by
>replacing capacitors
>replacing the flyback
>replacing the tube

geometry can be fixed with magnetic strips
crt repair isnt difficult, if u dont touch the anode you're fine, at least for most crts, the problem is replacement parts are no longer made and you need to scavenge them from compatible models or find new old stock which is becoming very very scarce

>>10400197
oh also 'necking' the tube completely fucks it

>>10400197
Depressing :(

Is there anything that we can do?

>>10400224
other than what anon has suggest
nothing other than try to replicate it through the the dreaded *gasp* shaders

>>10400224
Its not that depressing considering the tube doesnt really die ever and the flyback rarely fails.
With some technical know how keeping a crt operational is very possible

Can someone give me some info on whether or not I should go with ps2 composite + crt VS. ps2 component + plasma?

>>10400351
>tube doesnt really die ever and the flyback rarely fails.
Tell that to arcade CRT owners.

>>10400719
crt tubes get HARD fucked though
the runtime alone is enough to fuck any panel

much less one with a delicate phosphor coating

>>10400701
i think it depends on the game honestly
however if you dont already have a plasma then go composite
theyre not cheap anon

>>10400176
she was hot though, VERY hot
lady 5:
>is this what you do in here? hang out with all these old computers?
lady 6:
*holding sega dreamcast lightgun with autofire*
house of the dead 2 playing loudly
>ok this is fuckin sweet
real gaymer grils:
>do u have blah blah?
>i wanna play blahblahblah :3
the one i showed kolibri to on a 14" crt & sega tower of power
>these are incredible graphics for sega
*verifies its actually coming from the system by plucking yellow composite jack out

>>10400719
they are prove of that.
Ran for decades on the same game, tons of burn in usually and yet during gameplay they usually still look decent enough.
Are you running your crt from sun up to sun down?
no?
then there is no need to worry at all

>>10401660
>prove of that
lol
I don't understand your point, are you suggesting CRT's never go bad if you just don't run them long? I've had 3 friends in just the last 2 years have issues, one with a 12" PVM that the caps got weak it wouldn't power on and had to re-cap the chassis.
Another with a Blast City cabinet where the flyback was dead and couldn't replacee it, his only option is some shitty chinese flyback that doesn't get the picture right.
And another with some old PC crt that no longer powers on and he barely used it

Not sure what the fuck you're trying to say but it sounds really stupid if you mean CRTs dont go back unless you use them often.

>>10401660
>prove of that
lol
I don't understand your point, are you suggesting CRT's never go bad if you just don't run them long? I've had 3 friends in just the last 2 years have issues, one with a 12" PVM that the caps got weak it wouldn't power on and had to re-cap the chassis.
Another with a Blast City cabinet where the flyback was dead and couldn't replace it, his only option is some shitty chinese flyback that doesn't get the picture right.
And another with some old PC crt that no longer powers on and he barely used it

Not sure what the fuck you're trying to say but it sounds really stupid if you mean CRTs dont go bad unless you use them often.

>>10401895
this isn't reddit. own your mistakes and amend your posts instead of trying to edit after the fact little pissbaby
Fuck you, butthead!

>>10401897
i have a couple crt that are dying sadly
i will miss the vga monitor
i was using a nice scanline generator with it and feeding hdmi/vga signals
being able to adjust picture size/dimensions is underrated

no service menu required
got it cheap as shit too
old lady posted it as a "computer tv"
she just wanted it gone

>>10401897
I was talking about the CRT itself.
Caps will go bad with time and most crts are gonna need a recap sooner or later thats just the nature of capacitors.
The crt as in the picture will not go bad ever if its not used.
Maybe in 50 years air will start making its way inside and destroy it

Does anyone here have any experience with the JVC TM2100E?
There's barely any info about this monitor online and to make matters worse, the service manual for some bizzare doesn't list half the damn capacitors on the board.
Never had this much trouble setting up geometry, linearity etc

Forgot I took this picture a lifetime ago, dunno what the fuck that effect is but it looks rad
>>10395328
>what ya playing lately?
the original ratchet & clank trilogy, might be my favourite action games on the platform
>what titles do you think benefit the most from CRT?
the most? probably detailed pixel art and very early full 3D games, so pretty much the fifth generation of consoles in particular, from symphony of the night to the original metal gear solid
>what are some of your favorite games/levels that make of dithering/blending?
would have to think about that for a few minutes to give a meaningful answer that isn't obvious
>can you even find a CRT in your local area without wasting $200+?
yes
>how far have you driven to pick up a literal vintage television?
less than 2km

>>10395328
>what ya playing lately?
Pic is PC Engine version of Steam Heart's, but I've also been playing Snatcher on Sega CD. Had friends over a few weeks ago and we played Elevator Action Returns on the Saturn.
>what titles do you think benefit the most from CRT?
Everything
>what are some of your favorite games/levels that make of dithering/blending?
Anything from Genesis and Saturn
>can you even find a CRT in your local area without wasting $200+?
Everything in my area is either free or up to $100
>how far have you driven to pick up a literal vintage television?
I've driven two hours, one hour out and one back to pick up this Zenith at some sketchy cabin off a dirt road. Sound on it is weak, but other than that, a free 1980s TV with stereo sound, Composite, S-video and AV-out, it was an instant pick-up.
>do you think people understand your compulsory hunt/hobby/neuroticism kek
A few of my friends think I'm nuts but they understand once the video games come out.

>>10402534
Forgot image

>>10402540
coomer trash

>>10402540
good ass taste

>>10402540
Nincel detected

>>10402547
>>10402597
More where that came from

>>10402640
Now I don't even want to make fun of you anymore. That's just sad. Hope you get the help you need.

For a europoor, is it possible to hook up RF output of NTSC/NTSC-J game consoles to a PVM? PAL RF signals are ez pz, the cheapest VCR pulled from a trash can can do it. How would one even go about finding a device with NTSC tuner and composite out in Europe?

>>10403364
yatangaki

>>10402419
>dunno what the fuck that effect is but it looks rad
Astigmatism

>>10403364
There are multisystem VCRs that support both PAL and NTSC. Not exactly sure how popular they were back then.

>>10403402
I actually own one of these, but unfortunately NTSC playback is only for the tapes, specs for the antenna input are PAL/SECAM. I'm also not sure whether it applies some signal conversion or just properly decodes the signal into RGB, I never had any NTSC tapes.

>>10395328
Posted on another thread
Good game

>>10402540
steam hearts was cute, CUTE!
im going to emulate the pc-98 version soon

>>10403408
>>10403364
there are pal>ntsc converters for av
use an rf modulator then feed the signal to the converter

a sony pvm will likely support pal / ntsc
check around for pelco monitors
mine only does composite/s-video but supports both regions

>>10403613
Many, or even most PAL TVs made in the 90s and 00s will support NTSC signal via composite and RGB. So that's not an issue at all. The problem is finding a cheap tuner to convert RF NTSC into composite in PAL land. I've seen some people selling VCRs imported from the US, but those would be annoying due to their bulkiness and the need for a step down transformer.

>>10403865
>step down transformer
kek i forgot how unsafe your outlets are
little timmy probably fries himself often in bongland

HOW DO U DO FELLOW KIDS???

>>10403959
I've come to realize that pc98 is just like boomer porno mags, but for gen x

>>10403963
i just like the novelty of it
the taboo bootlegs
the spritework etc

im not like a coomer thats hardcore into it or whatever
no one is fapping to bubble bath babes on nes
i just like checking out the forbidden softwarez

>>10403987
Exactly, boomer dads just sat and drank scotch. Looked at the beautiful photo layouts and read the articles and interviews. Id imagine you also sip on a nice beverage, a crisp mountain dew perhaps?

>>10403908
Are you serious nigga? It's your virgin electronics that get fried to death after getting plugged into a chad euro outlet. It's not something that happens to people

>>10404046
your ac and washer\dryer use 240volts
ever been shocked by that type of outlet?
it fucking sucks kek

you stick your finger in a lightsocket you laugh a bit and say wow that scared me
you get hit with a hot 240volt current you are fucking pissed and could die

>>10404030
distilled water only
sometimes organic tea or strong coffee

i miss print media but realistically
if i were to repurchase and pile it i would feel like im hoarding garbage

ITS FOR MUH GAMES MOM

>>10404052
Wait til you hit the three phase

>>10404062
That's a sleek monitor. So, if you buy used porno mags, you're also buying every guy who was touching himself while flipping pages, nasty jizz finger stained pages. Worse than coke dollars. Those pages are fragile, good luck cleaning them. They are trash at this point.
>Buy a box of "vintage" hustler from a yardsale
>pages stuck together
>40 year old Jizz dust floating in the air, wafting in your nose, stinging your eyes like you're a cheap pink eye slut
No thanks

> Whatcha been playin’?
Been playing a lotta Mega Man on my Famicom. I got bored around 5 and took a break with Gunstar Heroes.
> What games benefit most from a CRT?
PS1/Saturn Games. The natural blurring and color bleed make the low res textures look a little nicer and I don’t notice compression on FMVs as much when playing on a consumer set.
> Can you still find one for cheap?
Yeah I got this 27 inch zenith for like 10 bucks like 6 months ago on craigslist
> how for have you driven for one
>10 miles lol

>>10404052
You don't get to shit on our electrical system and outlets when yours do pic related all the time. Talk about dangerous.

How do (You) feel about playing games in composite only? I'm a bit annoyed that I have two s-video crts and the majority or composite only, but I'm just glad to have what I have. I feel component might be a tad overrated, but I'm use to composite and s-video at this point.

>>10404471
I'd go to RF if I could.

>>10404471
I'm coming around to composite again. It's like the grass is always greener.

>>10395328
my most recent CRT pickup was a free 13" 2006 era toshiba with built in DVD discarded outside of a thrift store a few weeks ago. had a dirty DVD lens so they just threw it out.
strapped it to my motorcycle and prayed i could get it home without it falling off.
went back later in the week and found they were selling the remote for it for $2, lol

>>10395328
my most recent CRT pickup was a free 13" 2006 era toshiba with built in DVD discarded outside of a thrift store a few weeks ago. had a dirty DVD lens so they just threw it out.
strapped it to my motorcycle and prayed i could get it home without it falling off.
went back later in the week and found they were selling the remote for it for $2, lol

>>10404594
I got that same TV a few months ago. It's very cute.

>>10404219
KEKKED

>>10404604
For >>10404603
It's okay. Android, or at least my S20fe 5g, rotates my photos for some reason too.

>>10404387
Sorry to tell you this my European friend, but they do not do this.

>>10404609
lmao, the worst thing is I email them to my pc first, the images look fine on my desktop and then i upload them and they rotate cuz of the metadata

>>10404079
i know youre shitposting but
those disney crt can technically be a sleeper pick
>post sony trinitron patent expiration
>late manufacturer date
>clearly has large speakers
i have a couple of these and like them
also the channel and volume show princess graphics/pixelart

>>10404079
>>10404617
When i was camping out in the garden center of a Walmart waiting for the Wii midnight launch, there were a bunch of guys also waiting and playing Gears of War on one of these, set up on top of bags of mulch.

>>10404471
I use composite up to 5th gen and RGB for arcade and 6th gen on the same set
Looks great to me
It’s tight here >>10403416

>>10404674
Sadly I only have one component CRT. I would only use component for the PS2 I suppose, but still. I would like to have at least one more component set like my I'Art. I would also say that s-video is very good for PS1 and N64, but might be a bit much for dither heavy games like Silent Hill.

>>10404737
Can you not use everything on a component set?
Why is that “sadly” ?

>>10404756
Sadly in that I only have one CRT with component. So if anything happen to it I would be without a component CRT.

>>10404764
Oh, is that what you mean
Better start learning how to solder then

>>10395812
I got one of these RGB modded recently and they really do look fantastic. PS2 looked so sharp I could have sworn it was progressive scan.HAMGHS

>>10404767
I know how to use a soldering iron
But I still refuse to work on CRT
It's just not worth it to me

>>10404471
I don't do it. RGB all the way.

>>10404603
BLESSED Ristar + CRT player

>>10405178
its 100% safe lol.
I am an absolute idiot who touches shit while its turned on to figure out problems and the worst thats ever happened to me was a mildly painfull shock and tripping the breaker.
Electricity cant actually kill you unless you have a weak heart, aslong as you dont do really stupid shit like touch High voltage with wet hands or something

>>10404617
absolutely not sleeper picks.
Mitsubishi was the only company that made use of the trinitron patent after it expired anyways and the last ditch crts are usually bad in quality.
they are low end TVs the reason they seem sharp is because they are small and small TVs are generally slightly sharper

>>10406218
>because they are small and small TVs are generally slightly sharper
I don’t know about that, smaller TVs generally have lower tvl and look a lot blurrier, bigger TVs tend to be sharper but have worse convergence and geometry

>>10402660
I'm doing great actually, I just like pretty anime girls. What's your problem?

>>10407290
Because those types of games were targeted at coomers, it carries a certain connotation, especially now when the games aren't even new anymore, when somebody's playing them. Maybe that's not you, but you'd be the exception. Glad you're doing well.

>>10407304
Anon, steam hearts is a shooter
the only one that needs to seek help here is you

>>10407316
Maybe I do

>>10407147
i should have clarified, they seem sharper due to the small size.

>>10407304
>muh coomer boogeyman
anon, pls;
i doubt anyone is actually fapping to steam hearts
its vanilla as shit on pce-cd and saturn
those types of oddball pce video disks
"girls of hawaii" and shit like that is more for the novelty of it than actual porn use

its just cute anime girls
its not meant to be serious
divine sealing on genesis is similar (worse)

>>10406218
so for $5 its NOT a sleeper pick?
the picture tube is pretty good irl anon

Should I buy a retrotink for an old Sony bravia plasma? yes I do have a CRT tv

>>10407601
u rite, my b

Who's using IRC on their CRT through their Dreamcast?

>>10408260
Nobody, which is why you're talking to yourself

>>10407603
no its absolutely not.
The tube is not great, its small and low end features.
just an average cheap 2000s TV.
I mean come on this is literally a novelty TV for children not some hidden gem or something

Hi /vr/oomers. This is gonna be an odd question but I have some questions about CRT projectors.
>What's the absolute shortest distance you can use one?
>How difficult is it to get one to work with a HTPC?

My dream is putting one behind a canopy and playing games/anime/shitposting in bed, essentially turning it into a pod when I want to but I have space concerns.

It's not gonna work is it?

>>10408915
canopy bed with headphones I mean.

a tiny LCD projector sadly seems more realistic.

>>10408260
Dude that's sick as fuck man. Inspired.

why is my crt's screen faintly glowing in the dark even though it hasn't been on in weeks

I read online that you can tell the difference between 50ohm and 75ohm BNC connectors by if the plastic around the center follows the metal to the end or not.

When I search shops for 75ohm connectors thought some say they are 75 but have the plastic encased around all the internal metal which is supposed to be 50ohm only.

Is it just chinks selling scam bnc connectors or what?

>>10411040
It's going to blow up

>>10395328
One of mine came from the side of the road, and the other one was $5 at a yard sale at some local church, brand new, still in the box. Nothing Trinitron-y but just some classic Panasonics like I grew up with.

>>10395328
Just got a Toshiba 20af45 to go with my Sega Saturn and PS2, and quickly realized I have no idea what I am doing.
I'm getting Insurrection Industries S Video Cables for my Saturn soon so I can do better than fucking composite, but am wondering if anyone here has any tips for settings and the like, both in the standard settings and service mode shit

>>10411652
These are the settings it came with

>>10411040
Does it do this unplugged? If so then the phosphors are just absorbing energy when its exposed to light.

>>10411652
Optimal settings will vary between tubes and you would ideally use test patterns for this. Don't touch the service unless you know exactly what you are doing.

>>10411925
yeah, it's unplugged. it must be from the lights then. i wouldn't have thought the phosphors would react to light but i guess they do.

>>10411652
>>10411671
You need a dark room. Turn off the lights, bring up the 240p test suite, go to the color ramp pattern and:
Brightness to 0, then go up until you can differentiate between the darkest levels (it stops crushing blacks). You'll have to find a compromise between perfect blacks and avoiding black crush.
Similarly with contrast, try to find a point where you can differentiate between the highest levels and it's bright enough for your viewing environment.
Color and tint have no use in RGB, though composite and S-Video will be affected. There are ways to properly calibrate this (one method involves the SMPTE pattern and a blue filter/"blue gun only" option if your TV has it), but the shortest way is just eyeballing it against a known good display. Launch an emulator or a video (that you can get on the CRT) on an OLED or something and compare.
There is a pattern for sharpness in the suite, too. You generally want to avoid ringing artifacts around edges.
For service menu options, the only one I'd check if I were you is the geometry while looking at the grid and linearity pattern. Be sure to write down/take pics of all the settings before you mess with them. NEVER use factory reset. It won't help you if you fuck up, many of the settings were pre-calibrated coming out of the factory, and this will reset them to default values, which you definitely don't want to do.

>>10407290
KoF 99

>>10412342
>flash warning, seizure warning

>>10412342
>>10412359

>what ya playing lately?
Polished off a Mega Man 9 run last night. I'm at the tail end of a LttP Randomizer playthrough, just gotta go kill Ganon.

>what titles do you think benefit the most from CRT?
I mostly play 32 bit & earlier 2D games on it. 3D games I'm usually happy upscaling the resolution.

>what are some of your favorite games/levels that make of dithering/blending?

The first game I played on my current set was Sonic 3 & Knuckles, I found the backgrounds in Mushroom Hill & Sandopolis to be legitimately jaw dropping

>can you even find a CRT in your local area without wasting $200+?
I was fortunate enough to receive my set for free from my father in law, but I've been seeing plenty of sub-$100 sets. I keep an eye on listings because I still want to get a PC monitor.

>how far have you driven to pick up a literal vintage television?
I would drive 2+ hours, make a day of it. Plenty of good hiking in my st
ate, it would be a good excuse to hit a new trail.

>do you think people understand your compulsory hunt/hobby/neuroticism kek
My wife's line is 'I'm just happy you're happy'. I have a few friends that I talk about this shit with but I know most people don't care that much. My daughter refers to the games I've been playing on the Wii as my 'potato games', but she's been showing interest in Gimmick and Ys I-II lately

>>10412342
>>10412359
>>10412414

>>10395328
I've been playing Saturn games. Played some Sonic Jam, Akumajyoh Doracura X (extended hack), Daytona CCE. Want to mod the tracks from the original Daytona USA release into CCE tho. The music just isn't as good.

>>10411983
Does it have a static charge still?

>>10412359

I preferred the boob jiggle in KOF 94 -95

>>10412450
>she's been showing interest in Gimmick and Ys I-II lately
fucking nice, which version of ys specifically?
keep up the good upbringing, anon

>>10412580
TurboGrafx for this one

>>10412597
based
i'd like to check out the saturn version one day as well, looks really good
wonder why it never came out for the playstation
http://tk-nz.game.coocan.jp/ysmusic/screen/Shot_Ys2_1.html

>>10412629
The Saturn version isn't quiiite as good as the TurboGrafx or Chronicles versions imo, but it's still a lot of fun and I love the look. As a bonus, the first game has a (machine translated) English version of Xanadu 1 on the disc as well

So probably stupid question. I picked up a flat screen phillips that has composite and s-video. I never had anything back then that had s-video so which should I be running?

>>10413168
???
If you have S-Video then take advantage of it. Just get some good cables and you'll have a much better experience than composite. Not quite RGB yet, but still a huge improvement.

>>10413184
Just ordered some cables thanks. I'm just using component right now so should be a big step up. Just wanted to double check before I bought them.

>>10413224
>component
I'm sure you mean composite, the yellow RCA jack. Component usually means YPbPr: green, blue and red jacks that give you quality on par with RGB, though it's not available out of the box on consoles older than the PS2.

>>10413286
Yea I had that backwards I have component composite and S video on my tv. I'm currently using composite since its what I had cables for.

>>10413292
Oh, in that case definitely use component if available. It's natively supported on everything from the PS2 onwards. There are standalone transcoders and even special cables that have them built in to convert RGB to YPbPr and get the best possible quality.
That said, the single biggest upgrade is definitely from composite to S-Video. Component is still worth it though.

>>10413373
>There are standalone transcoders and even special cables that have them built in to convert RGB to YPbPr and get the best possible quality.
For older consoles, I mean.

>>10413373
>>10413378
Thanks for the info I've got an s-video cable ordered for my ps1/ps2 and I'll grab a component cable for it later and also picked up a component cable for my dreamcast.

>Have an old Phillips CRT that I use for my set-up
>On day, the TV decides to turn on by itself
>Since I can't find a guide on how to fix this I just unplug the television and plug it back in when I want to play something
>Now it's starting to turn off when I'm in the middle of playing something
What the fuck should I do? I can't find any guides that solve my issue and I don't want to replace it.

>>10413789
>Poltergeists
You need to sage your house

>>10413795
how does on sagee???
help????

>>10413805
Go get some white sage, preferably have it given to you, but it's fine if you harvest it or buy it yourself. Then you need to open all th doors and windows in your house and burn the sage(smudge) throught the house. It's good to think positively or use banishingsvifvyiu prefer, to rid the house of unwanted energies/entities. Afterwards, you should be ok and celebrate your success by playing haunting starting polterguy on genesis

I own 5 PVMs and they are all multi-standard (PAL & NTSC) and they all support RGB
>PVM-2950Q (27” - 600Lines)
>PVM-2730Q (25” - 420Lines) [picrel]
>PVM-20L5 (20” - 800Lines - HD)
>PVM-8045Q (8” - 450Lines)
>PVM-5041 (5” - 250Lines)
And btw, i got them for dirt cheap

>>10413789
IR sensor picking up interference, failing power button microswitch, bad caps, unstable voltage, or loose solder joints

>>10413968
my first question would be, does it turn off after being on for a typical amount of time (or is it random), and when it does can you immediately turn it back on or will it shut off again until it "cools down"?

>>10413937
b a s e d

i rolled the dice on my pvm
it was nearby on ebay
"powered on, untested"
its basically my perfect tate monitor 140usd delivered
no RGB though i have to use an rgb to s-video box first but its worth it,
nice jump in picture quality (lagless analog)

>>10413937
How'd you get them for cheap?

>>10412495
nope

>>10414079
10 yrs ago, when retro collecting wasn’t as mainstream as it is now and before kikes infiltrated it and inflated the prices

>>10414290
Then I wouldn’t worry about it

>>10414353
i remember giving my friend shit for paying $200 for a 20L5, I got mine for $50 in 2010, I still cant believe retards are paying $3000+ for them now

>>10414627
r/crtgayming :
>hi xey/xim/ just scored this 1 inch pvm (same size as my wife’s she/her girlfriend’ penis) for 9000$ that i borrowed from my wife’s she/her girlfriend which is in monochrome only and has no sound and has only RF, cant wait to play fortnite

>>10412276
Cool thing I discovered about calibrating color balance (color/tint) is that since not every console adheres strictly to the ntsc standard for color video, to be as accurate as possible you need to work out the color/tint settings for each console. And if you run both composite and s-video on the same console, you'll likely need different color settings for each input method.

Nobody tells you this and I don't know why

>>10415249
What are you even talking about mate?
There is no colour settings for NTSC or PAL, these are frequencies
You calibrate with RGB unless your set cannot do that

>>10414867
I don't get why people buy 8/9 inch PVMs. The prices for those are still high, and what can you really play on a postcard sized screen? I would buy one for curiosity's sake, if the cost was $10 or something

>>10414078
Based as well

I took the risk of buying an Olympus OEV203 (a Sony PVM, just the logo is different) and having it shipped on a pallet. I only knew it powered on, and of course "I don't have photos of that haha". But the price was great, and I think it has really low hours, manufactured in 2003 and there was barely any dust inside

>>10395328
Bros how do I diagnose this? Do I remove the back and check for sparks in the flyback?
https://files.catbox.moe/xcupib.mp4

>>10415492
Could be the anode or the flyback (hopefully not the latter)
Probably needs cleaning and some dielectric grease

>>10415526
Thanks I'll check it out

>>10415305
What do you think the saturation/color and tint/hue settings do? Why do you think PAL TVs only have saturation/color? Why didn't you read the person I was quoting I think it's abundantly clear what I'm talking about.

>>10415305
>You calibrate with RGB unless your set cannot do that
This is true, but for composite NTSC/PAL there's also the adjustment in the user menu. While using RGB, the saturation and tint controls do nothing (may even be greyed out) as you already get the complete color signal directly and there's no room for error anywhere.
But for composite, the TV doesn't know what "true" colors look like as the signal can get easily distorted in various ways. That's why you can adjust the saturation (chrominance signal amplitude) and tint (chrominance phase correction, this isn't needed for PAL and the control does nothing if you feed the TV a PAL/SECAM signal since it was designed specifically to address issues like this).
Ideally you'd calibrate the colors using the SMPTE bars pattern and a blue filter (or even better, a colorimeter), adjusting the drive/bias of each gun. But even then some adjustment for NTSC might be needed, just because composite is shit, and as anon mentioned, the signal's quirks may vary between sources and signal chains.

>>10415419
I grew up playing my NES/TG16 on a shitty 14" color crt and never thought about it much as a kid. But you're right, 9" is so stupidly small I don't know why they bother outside of novelty and novelty is not worth $1k+

>>10415492
Is the picture zooming in and out? Its such a short clip hard to tell, but if it is, sounds like you're flyback is dying.

>>10415569
That is where all the high voltage is
So don’t go just randomly poking around

>>10415613
Yes the picture zooms in and out and there's an electric clicking sound

>>10415620
Definitely the flyback.

>>10415576
You wouldn't touch drive/bias on an SMPTE pattern. You want a series of grey screens in increasing brightness for that. You're really just meant to adjust user controls like brightness/contrast and color/tint on an SMPTE pattern. A blue check makes setting color/tint really easy but there's no need to involve a colorimeter.

>>10415623
Well shit, thanks

>>10415629
You're right, got my shit mixed up for a bit there.

100% retard noob here. Where would I start as far as learning the ins and outs of CRTs on a technical level so that I may repair them in the future? Such as learning all the terminology you fellows are using and so forth.

>>10417356
basic understanding of electronics & their components will help

i would suggest repairing \ recapping other (safer) electronics before attempting to service a CRT anon

>>10417372
that’s my pic! I took that.
Glad to see it becoming famous

>>10417356
Retro Tech on youtube has a shitload of decent CRT repair videos to start familiarizing yourself with basics

Any repair beyond a service menu that involves opening up a CRT shell is at least at a moderate difficulty level, if you're lucky you will only need to adjust potentiometers (knobs basically) for geometry, more advanced repairs are a huge pain in the ass due to complex diagnostics, the sheer amount of variables and fineness of adjustments required and the general danger involved. I would probably only bother to physically repair a CRT if it's a rare or cherished model

>>10417372
>>10417490
i saved them all kek

I need some advice on this one. Its kind of hard to get to show up in pictures but I'm getting like light trails that go to the right side of the screen from anything bright. Like white spots on dark screens its super noticeable.

>>10417703
are the magnets \ speakers nearby?
the unshielded speakers will cause discolorations\fuckups & alignment weirdness

even from "far" away
my guitar amps were 7 feet away and still caused interference

>>10417708
It has built in speakers on both sides and I've moved the tv around a couple of times so I don't think its the speakers in my living room doing it.

>>10417685
That mug on the right, i drank water in it just a few hours ago

>>10417731
i thought i had a messed up crt
i moved it to a DIFFERENT room (kitchen)
and the issues i was having went away
magnets can reach pretty far they have a field of energy around them

my amp was about 8 feet away and still cause alignment\discoloring
i rolled it a few feet away while the crt was powered on and sure enough issue gone
it was weird

vid somewhat related
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fgLf_dcZy9Q

>>10417795
I only picked this one up last week but the last crt I had in the same spot didn't have any issues. Also it has the same problem when facing the opposite direction it still goes the same way so don't think its a magnetic field the only thing on that side of it is a bookshelf and a closet. The closest thing to it with magnets are on the opposite side of the issue.

>>10417703
HE'S THE ONE FOR ME
Lower the brightness, I can tell you have it set too high. Look at the not-really-black bars on the top and bottom. You shouldn't be able to see any scanlines on blacks, yet there they are.
Go all the way down and then up a few ticks until the TV stops crushing shadow detail to black. It's always a compromise, but this way you'll get near perfect blacks and get rid of the ghosting.

>>10417703
>>10417832
Forgot to mention, you could also lower the contrast after adjusting the brightness. It affects the bright elements on screen, so lowering it might help, too.

>>10417832
That was it. I had the brightness at default setting still and I fucked with all the other settings except for it. Brought it down from 50/100 to 38/100 and it looks clean as fuck now thanks.

>>10417703
Do they have shape?
Raise the brightness high to see if it’s more noticeable

>>10417965
They go to the top and bottom edges of whatever the bright thing is and its way more noticeable at brighter levels.

>>10417969
yeah but just lowering brightness might be a temporary fix until it becomes more of a problem
I wonder if the geometry is panned too far to that side

>>10417703
FYI this is called streaking and it's caused by some bad component.

b a t t e r y P O W E R E D

>>10418113
apocalypse proof

>>10418113
>>10418121
>what ya playing lately?
have everdrives for nes, snes, genesis, and master system
>what titles do you think benefit the most from CRT?
anything with underwater levels or transparent clothes
>what are some of your favorite games/levels that make of dithering/blending?
fighting vipers sega saturn (anything that uses a mesh)
>can you even find a CRT in your local area without wasting $200+?
NO :c
>how far have you driven to pick up a literal vintage television?
i usually try thriftstores\mailorder
>do you think people understand your compulsory hunt/hobby/neuroticism kek?
no :c
but most of my stuff is closeted

>>10418152
>>10418121
>>10418113

I was driving with my mom the other day and saw a tv on the side of the road. I flinched and cringed, my instinct to pick it up being dulled by the presence of my mother and needing to explain to her one too many times why i need to pull over and pick up that old filth television set.

Was in a semi rural area, if it can wait a week i will be back for it.

>>10418260
>a week outside
leave it for the dumpster team

>>10418260
lmao
i picked up a graffiti'd CRT on the urban sidewalk while I was out travelling with my boss for work cuz it was a flattube with component that i was looking for. didnt care what he thought I was taking that shit home

>>10417980
Theres a good chance its the geometry the image definitely seems more to the right overall and the top right corner likes to fluctuate in size slightly. I bought it from a small mom and pop electronics store and the guy said he goes through them all but if I had any issues to take it back and he'd replace anything.

>>10418348
I'm wondering if what you're seeing is just the light reflecting because the horizontal size is too large
should be able to shift it a little or make it a tad smaller

>>10418152
I don't understand the image. What batteries?

>>10418373
solar cell smartphone 2amp charger (portable)
this is will power any modern hdmi system on a chip (hyperkin have av out+hdmi)

the crt uses D cell batteries
the hdmi>av uses usb off the same brick as the consoles

ps1 classic mini, genesis mini, etc
or you can use hyperkin systems & real everdrives\carts

modularity & resistance to future global conflicts was the endgoal
if the power goes out i will still be gaymen

>>10418361
I'll have to take a look and see how to get into the service menu to mess with it. Its a phillips 20pt6441

newcrtfag
what do you do after getting a crt? mine has a tiny buzz and someone on /g/ told me to check caps but i dont want to rekt myself opening it up

>>10418763
is it comically loud
is it a whine or subtle buzz
it was normal to have SOME operation noise even in the 90s anon

if its a vga monitor try feeding it a lower resolution and see if it indeed does still make the buzzzzzz

>>10418763
Bad components often sound more like a hiss
If it sounds like this it’s normal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r6fzAa9ylU

>>10418763
Open it up and blow off the dust at the very least. Just don't touch the components inside

>>10418763
if you have never opened one dont open it
some of the smaller consumer crt are plastic shells and wont go back together if broken open
they are not meant to be user serviceable+were disposable
when a "tube went out" the tv was tossed for a different one we had several die growing up

I have a NEC FE991SB Diamondtron with full vertical collapse, along with some dell Trinitron that's experiencing the early signs.
is this a standard cap failure or a sign or something more complicated?

>>10419184
Replace the caps and see if it fixes it

>>10418939
when you know nothing shutting up is better then talking.
I have NEVER seen a crt that wasnt servicable, even the small 5$ B/W gag crts can be openend and put back together.

>>10402640
>>10402597
what is this boobs game

kira kira

Playing PS2 for a bit using my component cables while I wait for all my Saturn shit to arrive
Picture seems a bit lopsided/tilted, any help?

>>10420129
Especially apparent on the right side

>>10420134
TV is the same as here >>10411652
Still have -2 clue what I am doing, so I want to make sure I don't do anything retarded before I go into the service menu

>>10420151
Trying to not be retarded and doing a perhaps ok job, noticing a slight curve at the top

>>10420151
The fuck is parabola and why is it 31

What's the consensus on svideo vs component? Component should be theoretically better, right? I've seen opinions that champion svideo. I've been shopping cables and svideo is cheaper so maybe that's just a plebeian cope?

>>10420627

>>10420627
To me S-Video is kind of pointless if you have component, my TV has everything but RGB and I only use composite and component. S-Video is too sharp for 240p to me and not as good for 6th gen. I might try it for 480i PS1 games like Tekken.

>>10419558
steamhearts still

>>10419306
>inexperienced
>dangerous components
your life is worth more than a 5$ vintage crt anon

>>10420627
i use s-video almost exclusively
although i transition back to composite for games i want "to blur properly"

i dont have RGB or Ypbpr
for arcade boards i use a chain that goes CGA>RGB-scart>s-video
looks spicy

>>10420703
Why do you need to go CGA?
Can’t you go directly from RGB jamma?

>>10420734
i was under the impression that CGA is the signal type that is sent directly from the pcb to the original arcade monitor

a cga connection is RGB+sync values pulled directly from the jamma edge

the supergun pulls cga and pushes out an NTSC usable (within reason) rbg+sync signal


another way to do this ON THE CHEAP (with most boards that have a normal sync-rate)
is get a genesis2 hyperkin hdmi cable
it has a 4:3 \ 16:9 switch so you can get a mostly decent image on a modern flat-panel gaymen monitor for 29$

i haven't found a cheaper way
and the retrotink 2x pro+rgb2comp daisy chain doesn't always work with all monitors \boards


so to clarify
i am not CONVERTING rgb to CGA then back to RGB-scart
CGA, in this instance, simply refers to the raw jamma edge-output

>>10420683
Yes, I know. Theory and practice often differ.

>>10420684
The TV I have available to me has one component and one svideo, so if there isn't that much visible difference between YPB and SV then it makes it so I don't need a switcher (or to manually switch them...) in order to have both my PS3 and SNES hooked up at once. Since I have to buy the cable, I want to cheap out on it and it looks like that'll be just as good.

>>10420703
composite colors are just too gross IMO.

>>10420743
>Yes, I know
Then you should know the main differences are in colour and minor sharpness increase

>>10420743
>composite colors
recap your systems properly
you will lose most of that rainbow band on white \ light colors

composite is how i remember it
i used RF most of my life kek

>>10420781
doesn't that affect jailbars more than rainbow banding?

>>10420789
i think it depends on the system
for the neogeo aes the "jailbar" fix
literally doesn't even involve recapping the system kek
just a few cut traces
i think it depends on system and model type

>>10420798
well that's more to do with noise on the composite line no?

date night with the gf

>>10420823
and does "she" have a benis?????

>>10420823
his hair is cute

>>10420781
I grew up with the RF for most of my childhood too, but I am no longer a child. I am cursed with the knowledge that composite will be an inferior picture in all respects to a $10 cable that is easily available and applicable to my circumstances.

>>10420690
is the sega saturn version the same?

>>10395328
Hi everyone, retard here.

What's the cheapest/easiest way to hook a PVM up to a computer through RGB? Found out the sync is different AFTER I hooked it up and I'm stumped.

I found this solution which I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIT9Mm_iN9w

Coincidentally I have a Radeon
R9 290 in the PC I want to hook it up to so it should work well but i'd rather not fork out for the extron.

Any advice would be appreciated.

>>10421902
does your crt work with component? I have a sapphire radeon HD3650 which has component via the din connector it works pretty well, they are fairly cheap, only thing is you need to find the correct cable i bought 3 different ones before i got one that worked with component properly kek. the cable that woked had the three wired coming out of the din in a horizontal line, another one i got they were arranged in a triangle that didn't work properly it didn't have any red on the screen

>>10422040
It's a newer card so the analog output would have to be through DVI > VGA > some sort of signal converter > RGB or Component (preferably RGB)

This is as far as I'm aware with my limited research and expertise

>>10422064
yeah i mentioned it because i meant you should buy the card kek, its the cheapest method i found without fucking around with crt emudriver, your r9 290 may support rgb over dvi using crt emudriver also

>>10422069
Ah, okay. Tempting option.

>your r9 290 may support rgb over dvi using crt emudriver also
It probably does, happy coincidence, so I might still go the extron route.

>>10420823
jelly ngl

>>10420693
meme.
Gonna fix a crt power cable right now, they are not dangerous.
Also i dont really care if I die working on a crt, would be a good death and kinda funny finding my corpse lying ontop of a TV

>>10422795
>die from CRT shock
>they just put the CRT in the coffin with you cuz no one wants to pay for disposal

>>10422802
>$3000 RARE RETRO GAMING COFFIN L@@K!
>MUST BRING 6 PALLBEARERS TO MOVE OUT OF BASEMENT

>>10422802
You bet your ass my spirit is going to be trapped in that phosphor cage to haunt the next retro gaymer reddit guy that pays $100 bucks for it.

>>10422802
>throw CRT into coffin pit
>breaks the casket
>electrifies you back to life
>proceed to rampage funeral guests for throwing your CRT into your grave like retards

>>10422040
I've looked into the din stuff before, don't these only output 480i?

>>10424775
>become superhero

>>10424793
*FLCL MUSIC PLAYS LOUDLY*

>>10424789
yeah 480i

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

source:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousCRTMasterRace/wiki/misconceptions/

Do not reply to the misconceptions autist

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
>factually incorrect, or scanline generation software wouldn't exist
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
>wrong.
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
>wrong, when viewed dead-on at 12o'clock it is not detectable on a properly working set (60hz)
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
>weak eyes, weak mind, weak body, weakling
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
>wrong, a unit in need of servicing\repair will make noises however
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
>it will not magically shock you, and was designed with safeguards to protect children\normies
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
>wrong, i set mine each time i start gaming with 240p test suite and it looks fine
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
>turn off the lights, turn down the lights, turn down the brightness a bit
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
>HOLY LOL,LMAO EVEN
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
>its not "good" for it, but one fuckup isn't going to break your systems
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
>wrong
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
>shill detected, plenty of great sets for cheap are still out there if you are patient anonkun
- Curved CRTs are worse than flat
>usually wrong but i do have both here at the house
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
>weakling, lift weights, get strong

source:
>leddit

>>10427626
Truly only the strongest shall persevere

>>10424793
I wish I wish a nigga would leave a working s-video CRT on my doorstep. I have a lot of composite only units and like 5 CRT monitors.

>>10427626
>>10427663
>HUEG CRT