/vr/ - Retro Games

It was just their time, arcades actually being popular and widespread allowed them to flourish with variety since developers had to try and stand out, also just the time of general coolness...comic books, action movies and scifi that hadn't been neutered yet all influenced things, martial arts craze being a thing and not boring "but practical" MMA. It was a perfect storm of things that allowed for cooler aesthetics, and fighting games specifically to take off and mutate.

>>10383812
I'm not all that into new media (movies or video games) but I have often wondered how much of an effect UFC has had on all that. Going back and watching JCVD double jump kick KO 30 bad guys or using Ryu to shoryuken a wrestler 3 times his size into the stratosphere, I can still kinda lose myself in these experiences but sometimes I get those nagging thoughts about how if anyone knew basic takedowns and BJJ they would dominate these scenes and thus make them boring. I do miss the 90s when I wasn't really aware of this stuff.

>>10383801
Everything has a peak. Only outliers exist these days, mostly Mugen setups. I enjoyed TvSNK on Wii, but after that idk. Check out bloody roar if you haven't already.

>>10383852
Yeah I miss it, when a shitty McDojo in your neighborhood felt like something legitimate to a dumb kid. I don't really have a problem placing that kind of martial arts media in the realm of fiction/fantasy and enjoying it just as much, just like I still love fictional ninjas despite everything we thought about them being pretty much a fabrication, but I do miss the overall romanticism and mystique and just general sense of "cool" there used to be surrounding martial arts, that sadly is simply in the past

>once upon a time, there was a world without Instagram or social media in general
>people went out without looking at celphone screens all the time
Has to be bullshit, right? Someone implanted those memories in me

>>10383801
The genre was still relatively new after the success of Street Fighter 2. It was also simple enough to understand what made the genre good so you got a ton of memorable attempts at developers trying to make their own iconic fighting game putting their own spin on the genre.

Pre-rendered graphics were a terrible idea and always looked like hogwash.

>>10384067
Funny you mention this because I was looking at the gif here >>10383985 and it got me thinking how it looks like one of those fake games you would see in a movie or tv show. I have seen anons mention this before and I also have noticed how movies and tv shows will sometimes do this.

Never got into fighting games period, more of a test of patience and frustration than anything else.

>>10384095
>thing that parodies something real looks like the thing its parodying
I hate people who didn't grow up in the 90s, I truly do

>>10383812
Fighting games were influenced by a whole lot of things from action and kung fu movies to Hokuto no Ken and Dragon Ball to pro wrestling to manga and comic books to early MMA, like Pancrase and UWFi. It all flourished, cross polinated and grew up until gaming evolved to the point when big, story heavy cinematic games became the new norm and popularity of arcades and short arcade like experiences waned. Add to that the Japan economy decline and you get the current situation: only established franchises that are guaranteed to sell are getting new games.

Will we ever go back?

>>10383801
Because innovation and creativity stalled in the 2000s and all of the truly talented people left the industry or became washed up hacks

Everyone was into fighting games and it was the flagship genre for a while. Street fighter and Mortal Kombat were at peak popularity and everyone was playing that shit.
>>10385790
Probably not, because dumb shit and people being more into fartnite than anything.

>>10384067
Pre-render fags wearing maximum nostalgia glasses will kick and scream at this while chaning "soul" over and over, but its the god honest truth

>>10385819
It's sad to me how shortlived the reign of beat em ups was before fighting games completely replaced them. I liked those more

>>10385826
We all know what you really want to say is "I can't play something that doesn't look like my anime desu kawaii" and that's why nobody takes your opinion seriously

>>10383801
gore fighters were still novel and entertaining despite being shovelware

>>10385826
They could have made a DKC fighter

>>10384067
The console versions looked like shit but there was nothing wrong with it when they had arcade quality

This is why: https://www.polygon.com/a/street-fighter-2-oral-history/chapter-2

YOKO SHIMOMURA:

Chun-Li has big thighs, right? So back in the day, I asked Akiman, "Why does she have such big thighs?" And he started shouting and went off and was like, "I can't believe you don't understand the appeal." And he started explaining the attraction. And you know, I'm a woman and I asked the question but it kind of got awkward when he started explaining his fetishes. I mean, he has really strong feelings toward his creations. There's a reason for everything being the way that it is. When I heard that, I thought maybe that's something that everybody thinks, but everybody doesn't go out telling everybody. But he just told me.

>>10387184
>But he just told me
Kek

>>10387184
Basadoman

>>10383985
It's annoying because I was born in the early 90s and remember this world, but it all feels like a pipe dream since I was a kid the whole time. Smart phones became a thing in high school so I can't even tell if it was just growing up or smart phones combined that made me realize the massive social retardation.

Because it's easy to remember only the good ones 30 years later and forget about all the total crap ones that existed, meanwhile we are seeing both the good and the crap modern games with no filtering out the bad ones through time.

>Plug GameShark into Killer Instinct cart and try to see if I can random guess some codes
>This screen appears and makes me think I got caught cheating and was going to get in trouble
>Start panicking and crying like a bitch, turn the game off and hide under the covers from the police till I fall asleep and wake up before dinner
I was a retarded kid

>>10383801
Fighting games are best when they're 2d. Especially with sprite art.

>>10387706
Different genres. VF3-4 and Tekken 3 with their 80 moves per character and all the positioning options offer a completely different experience from something like Super Turbo or KoF98 but they're just as good. And then there are fighting games which are crap regardless of being 2D or 3D.

>>10385828
Same. Sometimes I imagine an alternate universe where Street Fighter II never happened and today we have beat em up autists and the beat em up community.

>>10383889
romanticism and mystique is largely marketing. people still love martial arts just as much if not more due to ease of access. if you saw a bruce lee performance at his peak you would spend months searching for very little available media. now you can spend 1 hour looking and the next 200 playing as him in games, watching his entire filmography, read entire essays, watch interviews and learn the ins and outs of Jeet Kune Do from collected literature.

>>10383852
"anyone in these movies would lose to a gun/knife/strong wrestling takedown" is pure cynicism. working overtime to try and pick apart scenes is antithetical to the idea of Jackie Chan spinning on a desk chair with a mop and incapacitating 15 guys. its theatre, and he was a chinese theatre performer with a strong traditional kung fu upbringing. You dont watch hero movies, scoff and say the hero shouldve just been shot unless youve got some personality defects or some other such neuroses.

TLDR; "Wrestling isnt real ya know" is a you problem and not the dude flabbergasted by the leap frog Shining Wizard he just saw

>>10388036
Bro calm down

>>10387478
jaded. social retardation isnt caused by "muh smartphone". 90s era it was the gameboy, before that comic books, before that standing around doing jack shit.

this fantasy where the world was better and everybody spoke to each other all the time, replaced by one where neighbours dont say hi because they stroll out to their cars staring at a phone is bullshit and teenage airheads hanging around the house/outside doing absolutely jack shit is not a new invention. it sounds like a dog describing what his humans do. unless youre looking at every single person's screen you cant tell if theyre playing videogames, reading the news, watching media, a performance, viewing art, talking with absent friends, learning new information or just wasting time waiting for another activity to begin

im almost on the opposite end of the spectrum to "phone bad" because i dont understand how you can be aware of all the possibilities inherent in a cellphone and bitch about people not engaging with the fuckin concrete, random pedestrians or traffic. dont be a fuckin boomer

>>10388040
shut the fuck up, i barely paid attention to what i wrote because im watching shit on a 2nd monitor, dont press yourself because someone bothered to try and have a discussion and shitposted a long reply off the cuff you fuckin numbskull lmao

>>10388045
Oh you're on the spectrum alright.

>>10388052
bitch im comcast, move on somewhere before i bust a 4 syllable word and fuck with your brain stem. imagine getting your peach fuzz ruffled because someone went autismo about their interest on an imageboard about interests. You got any more one liners you been saving up for the past 2 years or do you want to tell me an anecdote about something you enjoyed as a child and how different it is now or your thoughts on it you basic bitch piece a shit?

Jannies, clean it up. Damn always wanted to say that.

>>10388045
>it sounds like a dog describing what his humans do.
I lol'd. I think you are right anon. I remember seeing photos of people from the 50s or somewhere abouts on a bus and they were all staring into a magazine not talking to each other.

>>10383801
Fulgore looks so fucking cool desu senpai

>>10388045
>nooooo stop disliking the world post-social media boom!
you couldn't interact and like/comment everybody's lives by reading magazines.
I'm not saying the world was worse or better or whatever but pretending that reading a newspaper is the same as using the internet with a spartphone is like pretending smoke signals is the same as talking on the phone.

>>10389453
>I'm not saying the world was worse or better or whatever
It was better. Halloween this year, absolutely zero trick or treaters in a dense suburban area. When I was a kid it was the most freeing night of the year, you went out alone with your friends and you saw everyone you knew from school.

>>10384067
Yet, modern games are still trying to catch up.

>>10390447
They're not, they went to a different direction. The last game that tried for that 90s pre-rendered look was Doom 3.

>>10388036
>romanticism and mystique is largely marketing.
No it's not. You wouldn't get it if you never lived in a world where people thought karate, tae kwon do, and ninjutsu were really valid things that made you a killing machine and that there was a real mysterious element to Eastern practices.

You can't go back to the days of saving money for ninja weapons at the flea market with your friends because you thought it was real, because a kid today will just look up a video about ninjas on youtube.

>>10390841
>The last game that tried for that 90s pre-rendered look was Doom 3.
that would be Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts

>>10383801
3D killed the fighting genre.

>>10391381
How?

>Why
90s genre, 4:3 aspect ratio etc.

>>10389959
In general I think the modern world is better if you're a jaded adult. More, faster access to information and things.
But for kids, yeah, it sucks. Modern life for kids is basically being a mini-adult. Their toys are smartphones or tablets and their imagination and aspirations are dictated by e-celebs instead of cartoon or comic heroes.

>>10392102
>More, faster access to information and things.
I don't even think this makes things better. Over reliance on googling instead of thinking, instant gratification, etc has made everybody much dumber and annoying to talk to but also much more pretentious and acting like know it alls simultaneously

>>10390841
That's rendered in real time, it's not going for "pre-rendered" anything. If you had said REmake then I'd agree.

>pre-rendered graphics look bad!
Not really if you're using an SD display.

>>10394170
I said "pre-rendered look" not literally pre-rendered, but this should clear from the context of the message that I replied to. Don't be stupid.

>>10395405
Nta, but you have shit for brains.

>>10395415
nta but you're retarded

>>10395405
What's the difference between a "pre-rendered look" and the graphics "literally being pre-rendered"?

>>10395531
90's pre-rendered graphics had certain "plastic" look and some mid-00s games with real-time 3d graphics came close to emulating that look using materials, normal mapping and lighting techniques. Doom 3 among them. Less polygons and not as complex lighting model but still close. Later, when physics based rendering became de facto standard, real-time graphics started to look very different.

>>10387184

>>10387489
mirin' pecs. Routine?

>>10389959
You can thank the governments inventing stories about poison candy and pedophiles around every corner. Fearful, timid people are much easier to corral and keep track of.

>>10390851
>>10390841
I think you mean Dragon Quest Heroes 2

>>10383812
So much this. Sincerely FPBP.

>>10395852
why is king k rool there

>>10396985
That's the Dragon Warrior

pretty much any kind of fighting game got made back then

>>10399579

>>10387478
I made a post like this on /pol/ once. Early 90’s babies aka late millennials had a very strange culture shock. We were born into an analog world and were teenagers in a digital world. Our most golden and fuzzy memories are of a completely different environment.
As someone in your same position, you were maturing as well as noticing the effect smartphones had on normalfags. In 2007 I dated the first girl to buy an iPhone with her own money and I immediately knew that retarded bitch was going to use it to oversocialize herself into a stump and that’s exactly what she, and then everybody did.

>>10390841
It seems that way because doom 3 didn't have gamma correction, and early cgi renders didn't either.

>>10383801
Games made after 2012 are just boring and uninspired

I think people got bored of it and everyone went back to the bar or work. That or they hired a bunch of people that dnt care about their job

Only good new games are sports, simulators, sword fighting or those survival ones

>>10385826
That Is indeed the gods honest opinion of someone else that you have adopted as your own. Disagree.

>>10400620
>Games made after 2012 are just boring and uninspired
can say this about any form of media really, sadly

>>10383801
i can't stand how DLC ridden modern fighters are. half the rosters end up being content you have to pay for later and it's just a turn off. i get fighting games were always a scam and the original strategy was to rob you of your quarters but it was still funner, i don't care. also online sucks, playing next to someone is always a better experience.

>>10403520
DLC is trash I don't think anybody could earnestly defend it. Even people who act vehemently against fighting games having any single player content whatsoever would be asses to deny that unlockable characters are just better than having to pay for them

Excuse me excuse me

I'll never forget that son of a b**** named... I think his name was Adam.

Probably about 4 years older than me.

He Had a Nintendo 64 before me.

Dude straight whipped the ever loving f*** out of me on killer instinct 64.

Which was a total disgrace because I owned killer instinct on SNES.
I blame the controler. Dude was a sob for that. All I got to say.


But I know my high school will never forget how I whipped every last single one of them in a game a Street fighter 2 on the SNES.

We all get you win some lose some but holy f***

No excuse for that.

Excuse me. You can continue

>>10403804
you've been excused

>>10403564
DLC is fine IMO in the very very rare circumstances where it's used how it used to be before the internet, with expansion packs. "DLC" still existed well before the internet, just that back then instead of downloading something you would get a floppy/cd of additional content for the base game. But because this was a one-shot physical purchase usually this content would be substantial, not the bullshit $1-to-$5-per-costume microtransaction nonsense we have these days. Every now and then though we do get a major DLC package that is an actual substantial bit of content even for fighting games (which is a lot better than having to re-buy the entire game to get this content in the old days), but most nickle-and-dime you for everything piecemeal instead of making it a full reasonably priced expansion pack.

>>10383801
1.- People around your age were the target audience
2.-Games were not popular enough to be used as propaganda.
3.-Education was not as trash as it is today, so your average college graduate that became a dev would be a more 'complete' upon graduation than a millenial or zoomer.
4.-the NPC status quo wasn't being politically correct, it was being cool.

>>10405423
1.-
assuming you are now over 18. 20 or 30?

I'm still surprised to see that no Killer Instinct has been released in Japan.

So yes on SFC there were better fighting games.
But on N64, what was better?

>>10383985
>Fulgore
>Full Gore
Holy shit...

>>10383985
Killer instinct? the best shit ever! even is better than MK1

>>10406319
I don't think they were too concerned with that all things considered

>>10388045
You weren't there and you will never get to experience what it was like. Seethe harder faggot.

>>10407745
Yeah they had WAR GODS

>>10406319
Fighter's Destiny