/vr/ - Retro Games

hori and sega brand are always good
also, i heard konami made their own which were high quality but good luck finding it

http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/116087/konami-stick-appreciation

Capcom is selling an arcade stick with Sanwa parts right now for just over 100 bucks.. They're 360 or PS native though so I don't know if you have to fuck with them to make em work on PC?

>>1039852
Nah, PS3 sticks work by default on PC. Dunno about 360 ones though.

>>1039862
Seems like some do, some don't by default. MS tried to control the market with their own branded 360/PC compatible controller and everyone else just released drivers so their controllers would work on PC.

Datel arcade stick is a good startup.
It's cheep, supports PC/PS3/360 and easy to mod

>>1039862
360 peripherals work on windows vista/7/8 natively. Wireless controllers require an adapter though

>>1039583
As long as the parts are made by Sanwa, Seimitsu, or IL you'll be good.

>>1039583
They're all pretty decent as long as you get a joystick which uses microswitches instead of rubber pads.

>>1039583

Just buy a Mad Catz TE or a HRAP. They're cheap enough, and meet the standard for competitive play.

>>1039583
It depends on the type of game you're wanting to play.

Shmups or fighters?

>>1040084

>TE
>Cheap

Choose one, these things go for 150+ dollars.

There is no such thing as a cheap, QUALITY fightstick.

>>1039852

Wired 360 sticks work out of the box in Windows. iirc they even work under recent versions of Linux.

>>1040079

I'd be surprised to see IL parts in a portable fight stick. That's some huge shit meant to be mounted in 3/4" wood.

>>1040260
depends on what you mean by cheap. i got my hori v3 for 70 bucks.

I mainly use a HORI Tekken 5 stick for 360 and pic related for retro/emulation

>>1040087
shmups are THE game genre.

>>1040395
I'm honestly shocked at how much that thing is worth now. I got it for $20 at Gamestop years ago and never liked it. It's big, bulky, and just feels really hollow and cheap. I feel like the stick would always ignore certain inputs but it's been ages since I've actually used it.

>>1040358
IL parts have been put into arcade sticks for years. The legendary MAS sticks use them.

>>1040260

You can easily find used TE sticks for under around $100.

And hey, I'm selling a HRAP EX right now for $100 shipped if anyone is interested.

please, please, please, please stop calling them fightsticks.

>>1040438

That's exactly what I'm talking about right there. Look at that thing.

It's not am easily portable fight stick, it's more the bulk of an arcade control panel.

>>1040408
There's a couple of them on ebay for around $20 now. Where have you seen people paying a lot for them?

>>1040448
It's only maybe 20% bigger than a HRAP or TE. It just looks boxy.

And a lot of fighting gamers still prefer huge arcade sticks. They sit on the floor with the stick in front of them, providing very good stability. Little sticks are murder on your back when you try this with them.

>>1040454

The smaller Japanese-based sticks generally go on your lap or a table, not the floor.

The controller you posted is over twice the height of a TE, AND they sacrificed all the left forearm support to cut down the width (and still wound up bulkier than a TE). There's just no way around the bulk. IL parts are huge and require lots of clearance.

They also have terrible throw/engagement and unresponsive plungers but that's another issue entirely.

>>1040438
Happ and IL are the same, yes?

>>1040514

No, but they use the same designs and are generally cross-compatible.

>>1040438
Anyone else own one of these?

>>1040514
They are similar, but typically the IL part is finer quality.

>>1040498
So what's your point?

OP asked about arcade sticks, you said you didn't think anyone had ever made a stick using IL parts, and I told you people have been doing it for nearly 20 years.

I'm not here to debate which one is better or worse. But I will caution you not to be overzealous about the whole "American" parts vs Japanese thing. Slagcoin has a lot of fancy info and statistics, but the author is hugely biased in favor of Japan. In practice and real gameplay there are many situations where many competitive gamers prefer the big sticks. Notably in MVC2 and Super Turbo.

At the moment I'm ordering in a Madcatz WWE Brawlstick. Meant to be identical to the SF4 equivalent, and I'm ordering in some Sanwa parts to replace the lower quality stock ones.

I have the 6 button genesis stick, the super advantage, and a soul caliber IV stick (for ps3) I got from good will for $3.

So /vr/, what's the best arcade stick I can buy in stores and not online?

Really glad this thread is here.

Is £105 a good deal for the Qanba Q4? Willing to splash out a little.

>>1042860
Actually sod that, it's from a dodgy site. The second best I can find is £120.

>>1042860
Highly reccomend the Qanba q4. It also comes dual modded, so you can play it on just about anything

I recently picked up a Combat King arcade stick with SFIV artwork. It's a Chinese-made $60 joystick with cheap stock parts, but it's built so that it can be easily modded with whatever buttons and/or stick you can get to fit in there. This counts as /vr/-related because it's able to connect to a PlayStation so I can use it for Metal Slug X. My primary purpose for this stick, however, is playing PS2 re-released of Neo Geo games.

Of course, it also has a USB port for my PC. I don't know if this is from the manufacturer or the sellers, but every time I see a Combat King stick for sale, it's always advertised to come with a DVD with a bunch of arcade ROMs and a compatible emulator> I've been making sure to get use out of that.

>Professional
lol yeah right

>>1042887
£120 is pretty expensive, though. That's the equivalent of around $180 from what I know.

>>1042923
Some of these models come with Sanwa parts, more expensive inevitably. Part of me wouldn't mind that PS compatibility, Gradius 5 and Gaiden would be neato on a stick.

>>1041584
Same here, got a Brawlstick off Amazon and ordered parts from Focusattack. Durable as hell and way cheaper than a TE.

Never bought an arcade stick before but I'm looking around.
I then stumbled across this
http://shop.capcom.com/store/capcomus/en_US/pd/ThemeID.1944700/productID.247063600/Street-Fighter-X-Tekken-Arcade-FightStick-PRO-Line.html
Is it worth buying?

>>1042948
Believe it or not, but I actually like the cheap parts. I'd rather have an octagonal gate for the stick, but hearing and feeling all of the microswitch clicks in the stick and buttons is actually helpful for a fighting game novice like myself. I've been playing mostly one-player matches, so it's not like I have to worry about 2P hearing my stick rolls.

>>1042860
Did a 180 and settled on the damn Brawl stick. I didn't realise just how easy it was to change the parts, so I couldn't see the point in paying such an amount.

>>1043021
I don't give a shit about the buttons, really, it's just the four-way sticks that I don't care for, but those are easily replaced.

Now which stick would you guys say is best for shmups?

My Qanba Q4 has been magnificent for all the time i've owned it, though the spring is finally starting to weaken a bit.

On a related noteI'm looking for a place in the NYC/CT area where I can pick up a large number of miscellaneous arcade stick replacement parts.

>>1039583
I picked these bad boys up today for $10 each. I like the sega stick much better, the snes stick has a retarded button layout.

>>1043382
I have those sticks they are nice.

>>1043382
oh nostalgia. I have one of those SNES Super Advantage controllers. I think someone gave it to me for my birthday when I was a kid. Kicked everyones ass in Street Fighter II with that.

Still got in tucked away safely in a drawer beside my SNES mouse and copy of mario paint.

>>1043382
I hear the Sega Sticks are actually really good, especially for their age; and that the base is actually pretty hefty and has overall good construction.

How good would you say it is? Does the stick make clicky sounds and do the buttons feel too plasticy?

>>1043492
overall I say the sega stick kicks ass, it's really good and actually improved my ability to play zero wing.

I wanna hear about this if anything. It seems like it might be worth the price.

What do you guys think of the NeoGeo X stick? I was thinking of getting one to play STGs with. It's ~$50 on Amazon.

Probably the best one I've ever used. I'm a huge Saturnfag though. I like the one for the Dreamcast as well, but the Saturn has a much better selection of games for the stick with all its fighters, shmups, etc.

>>1043740
it's fucking awesome. I bought a refurb they had of it for $69 that was just used for trade shows and I got the xbox 1 adapter for ~$20, I use it with the full 3-rar MAMEDOX package from theisozone and not only have I yet to find a game in that pack that doesn't work, the stick is fucking baller. Buttons have that springy bounce well kept arcades have.

I plan on getting one of their tanksticks when I build a MAME cabinet one day, and will probably mod another cheap xbox 1 (you can get em for like $50 now) and use my adapter in it and just set it up to boot right to MAMEDOX.

>>1043774
I think I'm sold. Everything on this says it's great. Thanks for feed back.

>>1043774
Nice, I may buy one as I have 2 softmodded xboxs (one with a 80gb hard drive for coinops 5) I might just stick that xbox in a cabinet one day.

>>1043774

Got a few of those myself. I like the half-bat sticks and you can easily upgrade the buttons/stick or remove them and put them into your own projects,

I am currently building an Coinops cabinet using an Xbox, X-arcade duo, xbox adapter and 36 inch monitor.

Should be very heavy...

Finally ordered Sanwa/Seimitsu parts for my Tatsunoko vs Capcom stick.

>>1045320
I just typed this a bit ago :). (I need more funds before I go through with this) Coinops is the best!

>>1043072
>Now which stick would you guys say is best for shmups?

Seconding this question. I've heard that the Seimitsu LS-40-01 is great but I'd like some more opinions.

Also interested to hear thoughts on buttons for shmups. Reading around some forums the concensus seems to be that it's personal preference but Sanwa buttons are more sensitive so if you like to rest your fingers on the buttons and don't want to use bombs by accident maybe Seimitsu buttons would be better. Any thoughts from anons who play shmups with a stick?

>>1045295
Awesome, glad I could help. An old Neo-Geo collector bro I used to hang with recommended them to me years ago. I love how solid the entire unit is too, it has some weight to it, it feels like it was cut from the same stuff good vinyl coated cabinets are, that particle wood stuff.

>>1045310
That sounds like a great idea, especially since you already have it all set up with a seemingly shitload of games. Can't beat $50 price range for under the hood.

>>1045320
Oh shit, you got a nice family of sticks. Agreed on the half bat, I feel like it's kinder on the inside of my knuckles, especially with fighters and shmups. How's the trackball? Considering getting the tankstick with it, Haven't played a good old golf arcade in a long ass time, I'd love adding something like that if they got it as on point as the rest of their gear.

>>1043072
>Now which stick would you guys say is best for shmups?

Good question...

Part of you answer is wither or not you're devoting all your game play to a single game or genre of games.

Personally, for shmups I literally 'claw' the joystick to drag around my ship/plane/jet/tank across the screen. I find the ball style works perfect for that.

As for fighters/platformers, I like to use the bat style. Especially of I have to tap the stick to get a certain result (Half jump or Hadoken).

For MAME or emulation, I find that the Half Bat sorta splits the difference between the two.

Fortunately, if a stick is not to your liking, you can generally change them by removing a clip on the bottom and replacing it with a style you enjoy. Many places will even sell you custom colors and transparencies of ball/stick, too.

>>1043774
Is the back case removable and can you swap out parts on the X-Arcade sticks?

>>1045603

I also have a Hanaho Hotrod SE that came with real Happs buttons and stick (Sadly, Hanaho was sued into oblivion by Capcom and is no more).

This is an early/ugly attempt at a cabinet w/ 32" TV

>>1045635

X-arcade controls can be opened (6 screws that hold the rubber feet) and you'll need a butter knife to pry the square panel out. Not a lot of room inside for trackballs...

>>1045603

X-Arcade trackballs have 3 buttons and a 'horizonal X' disable button (To help you shoot straight in either bowling or gold games).

It's a three inch benson trackball with real bearings that you can repair.

...and if functions perfectly as a mouse!

>>1045673

>Gold Games?!?

Golf games, dammit!

>>1045629
the top of the stick doesnt even matter

>>1045693

So you're the one that bought one of these?

Good luck marathoning that.

>>1045629
>>1045727
Having a ball or bat matters much less than the microswitches, deadzone/engagement distances, strenght of spring etc, especially if you are talking about joystick's suitability to a certain genre (like shmups vs. fighting).
Also, you can write posts without raping the enter key.

>>1045635
More curious if I could replace parts if they wore out or change between shorter/taller sticks. Thanks for the info. Leaning towards ordering one for my MAME cabinet.

>>1043382
That 6 button Sega stick looks so good.
I've had the 3 button version since I was a kid, but it gets relegated for a 6-button controller on most games.

My sticks. I haven't had the ps3 stick for that long, Found it at the toy section of goodwill for $3. I couldn't believe it was in the toy section. Also, does anyone know what parts hori used in th stick? (Soul caliber IV ps3 stick M/N UHP3-40)?

>>1039583
If you're looking for a stick get a qanba Q4

>>1039583

Please add some good ones to:

http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Controllers#Arcade_Sticks

Anyone know if the Tatsunoko vs Capcom Stick is any good? Considering picking one up for VC usage, I used to see them everywhere, not so much recently. If it turns out they're not super shitty, I might get one.

I figured any prebuilt stick for $50 was gonna be shittastic. Anyone know?

>>1043740

Dunno if X-Arcade fixed the issues, but posts on SRK say that these stick have issues with dropping inputs.

Then again, SRK is pretty intense about this stuff so take that with a grain of salt

>>1051138

Capcom store is selling them new for $40 + shipping. They're standard SE sticks, with Wii PCB obviously.

http://shop.capcom.com/store/capcomus/en_US/pd/productID.170803600/sac.true

>>1051138

Also, SRK has a decent page for checking sticks out that was last updated mid-July.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/137321/what-stick-controller-should-i-buy-read-the-guide-on-pg-1-before-posting

It's a decent starting place but do your research

>>1051267
This guide is okay, just be careful because DarkSakul has his head up his ass.

>on a budget: Brawlstick then mod it
>$100 range: Madcatz TE stick

For general emulation, there's no real reason to consider anything else, unless you need a dualmod for current gen systems, such as the Qanba joysticks or if you prefer American sticks, such as the HAPP

Hori is pretty shit imo now that Madcatz stepped up their game in the past few years and I can't believe people actually consider the X-Arcade but that's just me

If you are buying a PS3 TE stick, just make sure it's a newer model. I have the SFxT version, which works on all PCs, not just Intel mobo based

>>1040260
top lel

I bought mine new direct for C$90 and $10 shipping from Gameshark. Just wait for a promo during any fighting game tournament, there's always one.

>>1051298
It's any stick after (and including) the Chun-li TE-S that work on PC for the PS3 sticks.

I own one of the original PS3 TEs. They only work on PCs with UHCI support, so I bought a DOA4 360 Hori stick so that I could play on PC consistently. It's functional, but Hori parts feel like cheap toys once you've played with Sanwas.

This arrived yesterday! Swapped in Sanwa JLF and buttons. This is mostly just for Tekken, though. I have some Seimitsu bits here ready to swap into a second hand xbox brawlstick I snagged from ebay, which I'm gonna wire to work with Mega Drive, SNES, PS1/2 etc by adaptor boxes and a vga cable

Really enjoyed my practice mode session on this last night, though. I still suck but it feels great and increases the potential for precision doing god fists and whatnot

Haven't decided on the art for either of them yet

>>1043072
Just received my Brawlstick as well. My predicted was right - I don't mind the buttons, they register easily and are a lot of fun to mash. The joystick is utter arse. If you let go, you have to wait for it to return to the center, which means for the time that it is returning to the center, it's still registering input! The four-way plate is quite awful as well.

However, I still have a lot of peace in mind, as if I had spend £100+ on a stick with a joystick I didn't like then I would've been utterly gutted.

>>1043492
>>1043492
Honestly, they're actually very decent. They are why I wanted a stick in the first place.

The stick, while pretty much a piece of plastic glued onto a d-pad, lack quite a lot of responsiveness but has a very short throw, so it doesn't really matter that much. I also really like the button, as while they aren't microswitched, they are pretty punchy.

If you want full clickiness then you should look for the JP versions, which actually have microswitched joysticks.

>>1045409
Do you(or anyone) know the difference between the models with "-01" and those without? I'm just wondering what the price difference between them is for.

>>1045629
While I just meant the stick rather than the top, I do appreciate this. I'm likely to play a ton of shmups, next to no fighting games and a smattering of everything else.

Just a stock mad catz TE fightstick. Replaced the UMVC3 artwork with this dodonpachi one I put together.

>try to order a seimitsu stick off of lizard lick immediately before they fell off the face of the earth
>never got my money back
lizard lick can suck my lizard dick

>>1052105
That looks nice, goes great with the yellow plastic

>>1039583
I bought that stick to shove in a cabinet I was making my brother. It was cheap, and worked damn well. Buttons aren't as punchy as I would've hoped really, but all in all it was great for the price...

I'm only leaving this here, for people that can do more than clicking F5
http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/introduction.html

>>1051138
I have had one for about 18 months. It's my first and only stick so I can'tdo any comparisons, but the default parts get worse over time. The joystick was pretty sketchy right from the beginning, but some buttons got really unresponsive. The corners of the artwork/decal are also starting to peel off.

It would have probably be in better condition if I actually used it regularly and/or stored it in a proper place (instead of keeping it on top of my PC that's on the floor in a room that hasn't been cleaned at all during my stay (two years)), but my new parts are in the mail (ie. >>1045371) so I don't really care.

>>1052067
>the difference between the models with "-01" and those without?
Apparently, "The Seimitsu LS-40-01 joystick is very similar to the LS-40. This model of the joystick has its microswitches soldered to a PCB and connects via a 5-pin cable. "
The LS 32 has a different mounting plate than LS 32-01 (the latter being compatible with MadCatz's SFIV SE / Brawl / Tatsunoko sticks).

>>1051138

Good to pick up as a starter stick if you can get it cheap, but the components have very little longevity and a goofy feel. You'll want to swap it all out if you plan on playing seriously.

Still have an arcade stick for Dreamcast. That's how I play Soul Calibur. Holla.

I ran into a problem while installing Sanwa OBSF-30 on my Tatsunoko vs Capcom stick (which is supposedly the same as other low budget MadCatz sticks). The little tabs in the picture are much bigger than in the default knockoff-buttons so they get stuck at that point, leaving them unsnapped and about 5 mm higher than supposed. After sanding all four tabs I managed to fit two buttons in, but aren't these buttons advertised everywhere as the perfect buttons for modding a SFIV / Brawl stick?
Should I just use superhuman strength to force them through or have I missed something important?

>>1053747
I fitted the same buttons into a WWE brawl stick 2 days ago and they went in fine. They tended to get stuck out a bit on one side and I had to press pretty hard to pop them in. When they went in all the way they made a metallic pinging sound, shit was weird

Because I play both modern fighters and old arcade classics on my pc, I splurged when I bought my stick.

Hori Fighting Edge, it glows!

>>1052931
the only difference between -01 models and non -01 models is that the -01 models use the 5 pin harness to hook up (Up Down Left Right + GND), whereas the none 01 models have tabbed microswitches.

Generally speaking you want the -01 model. It's a drop in replacement for a retail arcade stick, and less wiring for a custom.

>>1043740
I got one and i hate it. Very glad I upgraded to a TE stick. joystick presses quite often don't register, octagonal gate isn't my favourite, stick is very clicky and requires more force than is comfortable to move, it's also a pain in the arse to reassign the keys and if you want it to be compatible with other systems you'll need to shell out for a separate (and proprietary) adapter. Avoid.

Does anyone triple mod their sticks with an i-pac for PC and a PS360 or original MadCatz PCBs for current-gen SHMUPS etc.?

Since MAME has the raw_input api, does this make USB with an i-pac faster or PS/2 connection?

>>1053851
Sounds like you vibrated the microswitch like a Jew's harp

I use this sexy beast.

>>1055435

Why?

>>1055435
I've been eying that one for a few months here, how's it play?

girls fart

Thought i might post this here.
I picked up an NES Advantage that doesnt work.
The buttons dont register and the turbo LEDs dont light up. Are there any common things i should check? any cleaning? Anything in particular that is prone to going wrong?

>>1055435
wow! look at that.
i wanna do a line of coke off of that!

>>1058223
Every time I hear someone call something a "fighting stick" now I'm going to think of them as a degenerate