/vr/ - Retro Games

Iridion 2 on GBA impressed me a lot with its backgrounds feeling of 3D depth.

>>10393581
I think it's really hard to say for PS2. Something like ferrari challenge looks super realistic and clean, GT4 does as well, SotC is insane with its technology, ZoE2 moves like butter and looks like god, god of war 2 is sure to drop some jaws, valkyrie profile 2 is restrained but has a mad style rich in detail.

For Xbox I think games like Carve, DOUBLE STEAL, and Scrapland are stunners, as well as Amped 2, I think psychonauts is some stinky cheese man looking shit but the detail is hard to deny in it.

>>10393604
For both consoles, they only had like 6 games each that could do 720/1080, so if that's all we care about, that narrows the list considerably quick.

Probably a scrub choice but I'll name Ecco the Dolphin for Dreamcast. The fact that PS2 version was only *slightly* better in terms of graphics says something.

>>10393620
Ecco is amazing
Shame we never got the sequel that was in the works

Tigger's Honey Hunt is unironically the best-looking N64 game. They really nailed the storybook feel with excellent art direction that plays right into the strengths of the hardware.

>>10393651
Sin & Punishment would like a word. Or World Driver.

>>10393581
There's nothing good about this. It's all a bunch of flat nothingness and invisible walls. No detailed physics, no advanced AI or pathfinding, no large amount of entities, nothing that would dent the CPU. JRPG's should never be considered as the most impressive thing for any console.

>>10393651
Maybe if you're a fucking retarded PlayStation fag that only wanks to textures and tiny limited environments. Meanwhile in reality, Perfect Dark is the best N64 game.

>>10393581
I don't know about most, but:

Mr. Gimmick for NES
Kirby's Dream Land 3 for SNES
Auto Modellista has a great style
Sonic 3D Blast on Genesis deserves some credit.
Half-Life 2 on Xbox. Yes it's muddy, but pretty impressive all things considered.
Peace Walker on PSP

Someone show me their best C64 game. No Post-end of life.

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>>10393747
What's so special about Kirby's Dream Land 3 except sophisticated art style? I mean, sure it's a great game, looks good but it doesn't push system to its limits. Kirby Super Star, on other hand, does.

>>10393651
OoT, MM, GE, PD, Wave Race, and Conker are

>>10393759
Yeah that's true. Conker basically is a PS2 game on the N64.

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>>10393663
>Meanwhile in reality, Perfect Dark is the best N64 game.
LOL

>>10393764
>uses a modded screenshot
vro .,.

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>>10393604
Yeah I'd bet on GoW2 just because of how late it came out and how huge of a budget it had. Hard to beat it in terms of graphics

>>10393581
solaris atari, batman return of joker fc, seiken 3 sfc, alien soldier md, vagrant story ps1, sin and punishment n64, seiya monogatari pc engine, nanatsu monogatari saturn, conker live and reloaded xbox, silent hill 3 ps2

>>10393784
I think this guy is actually right. For every platform.

>>10393581
I always thought this game was more detailed than DQVIII and it tends to have a lot more models on screen at once...

>>10393772
I still prefer 007. The environments look more real and comfier and the real faces are cool and definitely better than random pixel mesh like in other games that gen

>>10394247
>realistic faces
Weren't a bunch of them Rare staff?

>>10393776
It doesn't even look good.

>>10393663
Saga is a lot more impressive and authentic than the generic fantasy shit in FF games at least. I hate how all the buildings in FF12 look like perfectly square shoe boxes and everything is brown

>>10393759
Conker couldn't even be ported to ps2 it was that advanced. 360 was the first console capable of porting it.

>>10393764
>HD textures
Completely ruins the aesthetics of the original textures. Literally the only time I've seen unofficial HD textures that were good is with the RE4 project

REmake, RE0 and RE4

>>10394320
>Literally the only time I've seen unofficial HD textures that were good is with the RE4 project

Resident Evil 4 HD Project uses the real-life texture sources and original source files

>>10393581
>PS2
Gow, SOTC, Resident Evil 4 and especially GTA SA despite the great artistic direction most of these JRPG's were souped up ps1 games

>>10394324
Anon, I said unofficial HD textures

>>10393772
she looks like that chick in single white female

>>10394324
I don't think later versions of RE4 look as good as the original GC version, maybe the wii version?

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>>10394320
Nice cope

>>10394452
I genuinely can't tell if this is ironic or not

>>10394452
God that bottom one is so gross what the fuck

>>10394452
The bottom one is atrocious.

>>10393772
Best at what? It looks and runs like shit. Without an expansion pack it's barely even a game. Goldeneye completely mogs it.

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>>10393771
>n64tards are posting emulated footage again
Do they even play on their console?

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>>10394524
>better is actually = le worse

Conker L&R on Xbox

>>10394640
I unironically prefer the original

>>10394640
There’s a lot of impressive Xbox games, I’d say it’s a tie between this, Halo 2, and Riddick for highest fidelity.

Conker is indeed the best looking N64 game though, it’s a technical marvel.

Riddick is insane on the xbox. Could easily be mistaken as a 360/PS3 game.

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>>10393604
Ps2 is easy it was the Transformers game, They basically pulled off Halo graphics (as promised by Killzone)

>>10394654
That says more about how shitty 7th gen was

Breath of Fire 3 and 4 for 2d on ps1

Cell shading ps1

Silent Hill ps1

Conker Remake Live & Reloaded looks like a 360 game they should have made Remakes of Banjo Kazooie too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNG6hOKno88

Virtua Fighter 4 ps2

Valkyrie profile 2

Final Fantasy 12
Ps2

Tronne bonne ps1

Mega Man Legends

Phantasy Star 4 genesis

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>>10394452
>unironically using and defending fan made HD Texture pack

Are you from 2010?

>>10394827
That's VF5 pic

Oasis genesis

>>10394859
Its not

>>10394821
Fear Effect doesn't do any actual real time cel shading. The "Cel Shading" is actually just part of the texture and never moves

The Zelda Oracle games for the GBC

>>10394894
Yes it is. It's Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown more specifically, released on PS3 and 360 in 2012

>>10394832
Is this suppose to look good?

>>10394642
All that extra detail kills conker. Probably looks better for the stages.

>>10394527
It was quoting the other poster you fucking moron.

>>10394926
Wrong game

>>10394640
It's an amazing looking game, genuinely looks like a 360 game at moments.
But the original Conker is way better. Just look how good he looks here
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>>10395075
If I agree with you why are you so mad? Who hurt you?

>>10394857
If bottom was official you would be the first to defend it

>>10393790
i can confirm they are correct. on saturn i would add vampire savior and star ocean on snes. but thats about equal to seiken densetsu 3.

>>10395232
also, rendering ranger r2 on snes.

>>10394918
Nah it's 4 Evo being emulated

>>10395292
4 evo has a completely different HUD

>>10395303
Works on my machine

>>10394832
This is just a case of very good textures. More of an artistic achievement than an overall graphical one

>>10395332
Jibberish hair splitting.
The end result is the only thing that matters

PC Engine - either Legend of Xanadu II or Nexzr. Fatal fury special is also another one

the visuals in Sapphire are extremely overrated

if pc engine hucard, probably bomberman 94, then air zonk

>>10393651
I gotta hand it to you anon, game looks so much better than zelda it's almost sad

>>10394821
I remember this bullshot. The backgrounds on PS1 were crusty as fuck and I hate the PS2 title got cancelled.
It could have been kino.

>>10395292
it says virtua fighter 5 showdown on the floor of the stage in the first pic. kys.

>>10393581
Another world for 386. Not sure I'm down with the remake. The intro backgrounds got all fucked up

Famicom - Metal Slader Glory (1991)

>>10394452
Looking good

>>10393581
Best graphics on the MD definitely goes to The Lost World: Jurassic Park

>>10393581
Xenosaga 3 was a stellar game in visuals, sound, gameplay, and story. But for PS2 it was definitely Valkyrie Profile 2.

>>10396809
Damn, that's like a PS1 game, straight up.
I would say Saturn, but ironically it doesn't remind as much of how Saturns renders their 2D styles.

Gamecube: Metroid Prime 1+2

>>10393613
Art style beats resolution nearly every time.

>>10397380
I agree, I just didn't know what they were asking for, since usually it implies technical limits, even if I don't care about them.

>>10393651
Why the fuck is Tigger hunting for honey, that's Pooh's thing.

>>10393651
What happens is that this may not be the most advanced game on N64, but it looks good, even when scaled to a higher internal resolution. It's like Megaman Legends.
There's nothing particularly advanced in ML, far from it, but it looks great to this day.

Meanwhile Conker and Perfect Dark may be technically impressive, but they look like shit nowadays. Blurry pre-rendered textures, blocky and ugly segmented models, garish colors, overdone reflection maps.

>>10397507
I disagree with conker. Maybe not on a emulator at 4k but it looks nice at crt res.

>>10397507
Conker? Really? I think it still looks great even in emulation with 2* upscale

>>10394848
Absolutely. MML and it's superior had SUCH design talent to make something so good out of such limitations. There are several fantastic visuals on the ps1 that pushed the hardware to the very limit but the winner has to go to the game that made magic after it hit the limit.

>>10396526
I don't think anyone will contest that here on /vr/

>>10396331
That picture is Duckstation, dumb ass

>>10393627
great game, but Id go with shenmue

For the PS1 I'd say a tie between Breath of Fire 4 and Vagrant Story. BOF4 has some of the best sprite art ever made and the shit they pull off in Vagrant Story's cutscenes looks like magic.

>>10399297
FF8 or FF9 would do better if that were the criteria.

>>10395212
I shit on all remakes except one

>>10393747
I'd say Batman Return of the Joker tops Mr. Gimmick. It's close to Shovel Knight territory where it looks like a modern game imitating the NES as opposed to being authentically on the NES.

>>10399650
Those pillars that look like they're on a different layer than the rest of the background... I wonder how they did that.

>>10399665
A shit ton of scanline shenanigans. Basically using bank switching to cycle which graphics are in memory at very specific times so as each scanline is being drawn it's drawing the graphics with a slightly different position.

https://youtu.be/wt73KPS_23w?si=v5VqxXrHZ8rHji_J
Here's a good video explaining the concept.

>>10399756
I haven't watched that video but in that Ninja Gaiden picture, and every other NES game I can think of, each background part is on a different X axis. In that pic above the pillars look like they overlap with the sky AND with the plants behind, as if there were several bg layers like on SNES. And those pillars can't possibly be sprites either (the torch and the crate probably are though)

>>10399885
oh actually I just remembered another example; but I always assumed the sun was made of sprites (maybe it's not then?)

>>10399885
It's just as I described. The pillars and trees are all on the same layer. It's an optical illusion because as the game draws each scanline it changes the graphics ever so slightly. Do this with perfect timing and it appears as if there's more than one background layer.

>>10393604
Before saying this I want to say “best looking” and “highest fidelity” are two different things.

As far as what OG Xbox game had the highest fidelity, then I’d give that to Riddick. I don’t think any game pushed the Xbox to its limit quite like it, not even Doom 3 or Half Life 2. It was a next gen game on a current gen console, black magic was used to create it and it took advantage of every single feature the Xbox could use.

>>10399887
While every enemy on the screen flashes. What a shit example.

>>10394926
That looks like a plastic bag carried by the wind.

>>10396809
Beyond Oasis looks better

I remember when Mario 64 and the opening of FF7 blew my socks off as a kid. It's been 26 years and nothing gave me that feeling again. Graphics are improving don't get me wrong but I react to it like a frog in a sauce pan slowly being heated up - with apathy. I want a another huge leap like 2D-3D but doubt I'll live long enough to see it

>>10400248
Riddick is an interesting game and it has great art as well as solid technical chops, it does however have a significant shortcoming - to maintain performance the game actually uses dynamic resolution scaling with a bilinear filter. It's pretty easy to notice when the game becomes super soft and simultaneously chunky looking, it stays fluid and fun but seeing it dip to what looks like 240p with an n64-tier amount of blur is really harsh at times.

Riddick is a great looking game but in the pursuit of high tech and solid performance they were very aggressive in some scenes to the detriment of the overall image composition.

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>>10394452
>>10394634
why

>>10400336
That is true, a pretty early example of dynamic resolution scaling too.
In fairness, although you could notice it, it wasn’t too jarring in 2004 on your tube tv.
When Riddick was firing on all cylinders though, it was a sight to behold. I was sincerely shocked at how good it looked. Dynamic res scaling or not, I would have to say it has higher fidelity and more graphical features than any other Xbox title. I would say only Halo 2 or Doom 3 were it’s only competition and Riddick slightly edges them out.

I hope Digital Foundry Retro does a video on it one of these days, I need full autistic analysis.

>>10393581
Driver 3 GBA
Mgs2 PS2
Conker n64
Terracon PS1
Doom SNES
Elite nes
resident evil(unreleased) gbc
Dk 94 gb
Frontier elite Atari st
Pd saga Saturn
Half life dc
Twilight princess gc
Splinter cell xbox
Panorama cotton genesis
Yars revenge 2600
Airheart apple ii

>>10393604
Moves like butter? Butter doesn't move. Are you stupid or just dumb?

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>>10401029
see
>>10401036
where is your god now?

>>10401005
>Twilight princess gc
RE4 is more impressive visually IMO. Sure TP has bigger environments but you could also say the same of GTA:SA on PS2
Also, MGS2 looks good but I think SH3 is more impressive

>>10401005
Half Life never actually officially released. It’s also not the most impressive looking Dreamcast game. I’d probably give that to Soul Calibur.

Best Graphics on GameCube is definitely not twilight princess. It’s not even the best looking adventure game, that would maybe be Starfox Adventures.
I’d say the Rogue Squadron games probably made the most of GameCube’s hardware. I’d also say Metroid Prime is more graphically impressive than Twilight Princess.

Splinter Cell on Xbox is easily the best port, but Riddick/Halo 2/Doom 3 beat it.

Other than that you can make an argument for every one of your other choices for being highest fidelity.

>>10397507
The only reason you think it looks like shit now is because N64 games don’t scale well
They still look great at 240p on a CRT

>>10400275
There's never going to be leaps in graphical tech like we had going from super nintendo to n64 or again going from saturn to dreamcast. It's all diminishing returns now.

>>10401005
Garbage list

>>10393581
>generic stay on the path jap game
lol, lmao.

>>10400971
>I hope Digital Foundry Retro does a video on it one of these days, I need full autistic analysis.
It would be great, I'd like it if they just started covering old games again. New ones are boring as hell. Also Dark Athena for its delicious looking water

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>>10401005
Anyone saying anything for N64 other than World Driver Championship is objectively wrong.

>>10394857
bottom would actually be pretty cool, they stopped making digitized 2d games right when vidya resolution and storage got to a point where it wouldn't look like shit.

>>10402247
I already said that
>>10393656
You're welcome

>>10402265
Actually almost vomited reading this

I don't care what year I play it, I don't care about how generally crap and muddy the N64 graphics are, but WAVE RACE 64 will always be the graphically best N64 game. I can not get over those waves. Every time I'm blown away.

It's got to be the launch title I've played the most on any console.

>>10403252
There's nothing crap or muddy about them. They're glorious. Wave Race (64) is eternal.