/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10386495
I mean it got a lot of games so I'd say it caught on fairly decently. You don't just try to make more marketable non hentai versions of your hentai game franchise because there was no appeal. Sometimes franchises just die off for a lot of reasons.

>>10386495
From which youtube did you obtain that opinion?

>>10386513
Is there any obvious example of an originally eroge franchise breaking into mainstream and shedding its adult past, besides Fate?

>>10386610
Utawarerumono. Tears to Tiara. I'm sure there's others. Demonbane?

>>10386495
variable geo was big but never made the jump to 3d and died like most series

>>10386612
Utawarerumono is the only one of those even close to mainstream. I guess Tears to Tiara is somewhat noteworthy for its direct sequel being straight to console like Utawarerumono but that's kind of just the way Aquaplus operates now, the last things in the To Heart franchise are the Dungeon Travelers games too. A large percentage of high selling plot focused eroge from the late 90s until recently had console ports and/or TV anime adaptions.

My dick is sore – I don’t need another reason to jack off, again, yet I am being reminded of this series.

>>10386495
You can just use the word “good” for things you like, no need to be a meme nigger.

>>10386761
>meme nigger
You could just call him a redditor.

>2D fetish game on computer that mostly appealed to Anna Miller otaku in Japan didn't reach same success that fancy looking 3D fightan' game reached in Japan and overseas
It really is a mystery

>>10386846
>In June 2022, parent corporation Imuraya announced that the last active Anna Miller's restaurant in Japan, located in Takanawa, would close on August 31, 2022. The restaurant, which opened in 1983, was the 11th of 25 restaurants in the chain.[4] As a result of the closure, the restaurant in Hawaii now serves as the last Anna Miller’s location in the world.[5]
grim

>>10386850
Well, on the bright side, don't need to learn Japanese to enjoy the last Anna Miller's, but Hawaii is still a pricey trip. Hopefully the wait staff isn't ugly.

>>10386495
What the fuck is ludo? I have been interested in these games because I love the work of Takahiro Kimura. From a fightanfag perspective the games look good too for having a bit more going on than typical SF clones without devolving into airdasher anime fighter faggotry

>>10386907
>From a fightanfag perspective the games look good too for having a bit more going on than typical SF clones without devolving into airdasher anime fighter faggotry

Pretty solid depending on which one you pick. The PS1 one, Advanced VG 2 is really good.

>>10386495
The OVA is surprisingly good and the best part of the series. It also goes out of its way to not have the teenager compete to avoid the chance of her going nude.

>>10386495
Too expensive

>>10386495
It still had a fair run of games, even getting a reboot. I guess it was on platforms which did not have worldwide appeal or had other strong games in the same genre so the market may have been a bit saturated.

They should reboot the franchise as a 3D game like DOA but instead of the forced gimmick that the loser has to strip, just make realistic clothing damage. DOA is weak now because it turned into a microtransaction hellscape so a new Variable Geo could steal it's marketshare.

>>10386772
Calling everyone reddit is something reddit fags do to false flag as actual 4chan users. Like how the biggest closet homosexuals are the most anti-gay.

>>10386854
It’s Hawaii, so the girls are either 10/10 or dumpster tier slam pigs. Their pie is pretty good, though I prefer Ted’s Bakery for my Oahu pie needs.

>>10386610
Didn't Nanoha start as the little sister in an eroge of a different name?

>>10387556
That one's also amusing for transitioning from hetero to yuri

>>10386907
>What the fuck is ludo?
It's short for Ludonarrative in most cases and it basically is about how gameplay and story interact. If you've ever heard the phrase "ludonarrative dissonance", it's talking about how what you can do in the game can contradict what the game is saying to the player. If the player-character is going to make a disastrous, plot-important mistake because he’s been deceived, but the player themself is never deceived, then that’s cheating. It makes the plot seem flimsy, the protagonist lunkheaded

>>10387568
Or a more obvious example, if the game says you need to hurry up and do something urgent in the plot, but there's no actual time limit in-game and you can go do a million sidequests with no consequence, that's ludonarrative dissonance.

I don't know if I'd say VG's story holds together all that well. The gimmick is flimsy because it hinges on a bizarre agreement to strip after a loss as opposed to anything directly related to the fighting. It's no different than those strip Mahjong games. There's nothing connecting point A to point B.

>>10387581
It makes more sense in the original where basically you fight and the loser effectively gets raped. You'd ask, "who would sign up for that", and the answer is people who want the ultimate prize and don't think they'd ever lose.

>>10387583
After seeing Squid Game it makes more sense, sure. But the stakes still seem...odd. A game like Mortal Kombat works because you're beating the shit out of each other anyway so in the end if someone dies then you understand why and how that happened. But in VG it's like "okay, you lost. Take off your clothes now." Or like you said, some random mooks show up and rape the loser. The fact that it's all public too ends up making it feel more comical than anything because of how ludicrous it is. I'm not a big fan of the way games like Senran Kagura handle their clothing damage but something like that would at least make sense for VG. Maybe if the tournament was designed where winning is based on stripping your opponent, specifically as a way of LIMITING the danger that would happen from a bare knuckle brawl until someone can't move.

>>10386610
You want to count Action Taimanin?

>>10387583
I thought it depends on the level of the bout as per the tranime. I forget if the tranime gets into the specific rules.

>>10387598
>The fact that it's all public too ends up making it feel more comical than anything because of how ludicrous it is.

Eh. Makes it easier to brush off as a gag rather than dwelling on the actual serious ramifications of it all. If anything I'd actually like to see something akin to a "fatality" system where you can get a chance to initiate the actual porn situation. Maybe even have it be something based on the stage a la Eternal Champions where every stage has a unique gimmick for how the loser gets raped. In fact building on that you could even have a sort of good/bad morality where you get different endings based on how many people you cause to get raped and your character growing more and more desensitized to it. Sort of like Hibiki in last blade 2 where the first kill horrifies her but by the fourth she's basically a murder machine.

>they were big this they were big that
Yeah here's the thing they were PORN games that never left Japan

>>10386495
I actually prefer Advanced VG2 on PS1 over any of the Asuka 120% games.

>>10386612
>>10387616
Shows what a fake gamer I am, I've never heard of any of these franchises.

>>10388169
Are the Asuka games any good?

>>10386907
There was a thread about this just some weeks ago (thread/10274213)
Basically the first games where just vessels for the porn. The SNES version is Ranma fighter tier, so ignore it. Until the PSX/Saturn version which was actually playable, and then the 2nd PSX game which was polished quite a bit.
Advanced VG 2, was on the cusp of becoming more like an air-dasher, some characters have some neat air button paths. I'd say it's playable and just a bit less crazy than Guilty Gear (1) which came around that same time (I'm pretty sure a 3rd game would have ended up looking a LOT like Guilty Gear).
Oh and don't forget VG Max for PC from the guys that went on to work on Under Night Exe.

>>10387581
It's a super extreme all or nothing bet. If you lose, you bring shame to the establishment you represent and get exposed/raped in front of everyone. If you win, and you win it all, the glory of being the best, the title of Goddess. It makes sense in a hentai world I guess.

>>10388178
Maybe too young? Utawarerumono and Demonbane both got anime adaptations in 2006 and back then it was significant. Not huge, but a decent following, with people checking the anime and the games where they came from, at least from what I remember seeing.
Taimanin has been trucking along for a long time, recieving games, people doing doujins, and now a relevant gacha game.
Utwawarerumono has been getting a steady stream of games and anime, now a 2022 version too. I remember it even getting an Azur Lane collab in Japan that wasn't brought to Global version.

>>10386495
>Why did Variable Geo never catch on?
Because TGL doesn't really give a shit about the franchise, that's why.

>>10386846
>2D fetish game on computer
Do we really forget they made a sort of reboot on consoles to appeal to mainstream audience, not just hopeless coomers behind their PC-98s? Too bad they went back to PC hentai after AVG2, a move which killed the series.

>>10386927
>The OVA is surprisingly good and the best part of the series.
The second PS1 game is the best. OVA has good animations and fighting scenes, but I wonder why didn't they hire the same VAs as in the games, who were mostly well-known at the time.

>>10387250
>They should reboot the franchise as a 3D game like DOA but instead of the forced gimmick that the loser has to strip, just make realistic clothing damage.
THIS. This anon fuckin' gets it, but TGL is too dumb to notice it. They sleep on a gold mine and do nothing about it. On top of a 3D reboot, they should bring back the original cast, not any of this bullshit like in V.G. Neo. And hire an artist who could imitate Kimura's style as best as he can.

>>10387581
>I don't know if I'd say VG's story holds together all that well.
It's a fighting game lol. Those usually don't have great stories. Mortal Kombat, for example? It's a mash-up of Asian action movie tropes as an excuse to ludicrously violent fighting, that's all.

>>10388169
Based, though Asuka 120% are good too.

>>10388230
>VG Max for PC from the guys that went on to work on Under Night Exe.
Still can't get that one running on my Win7 machine, goddamn.

>>10388028
Ultra Strip Fighter 4 has the rape mechanics you’re looking for.

>>10388209
Yes, but only two of them, one on the PSX that has the small dot on the box and the one on Saturn that the devs uploaded their own romhack patch for free back in 98. I can’t remember the names right now since I’d have to go look at my roms.

>>10388230
It's a super extreme all or nothing bet. If you lose, you bring shame to the establishment you represent and get exposed/raped in front of everyone. If you win, and you win it all, the glory of being the best, the title of Goddess. It makes sense in a hentai world I guess.
Doesn't the anime say there are different tiers? Some are strip, some are masturbate, some are rape?
>>10388270
Keyed Ishida. His stuff is super SOVL.

>>10386927
>It also goes out of its way to not have the teenager compete to avoid the chance of her going nude.
You mean Manami, right? That's too bad because one of the things about anime I really hate are catgirls, and Manami is not an exception. She makes a great punching bag in the practice mode - hearing her "nya" in pain as her little annoying butt is getting combo'd is soothing for me.

>>10388230
>some characters have some neat air button paths.
Yeah, Chiho and her triple air combo that's abused to hell and back by the AI in AVG2. I never performed that move myself and didn't see anyone do it either. As someone put it: "Chiho is a ninja, trained from birth in the ways of having bullshit custom combo supers."

>>10388293
>His stuff is super SOVL.
With a taste like this, he's truly a man of culture. One of the last people to put "art" in "deviantArt".

>>10386495
>>10386513
Also Tōkidenshō Angel Eyes and The Fallen Angels

>>10388209
>>10388169
Asuka %120 > V.G.

>>10388846
Yeah, gameplay-wise these are better, plus do not have the legacy of starting out as eroge. I don't really dig the art style in Asuka 120% series though.

>>10388846
>>10388920
When SNES port happened?

Erina activated my love of bunny girls

>>10388230
>no sniffu pantsu in 5th gen versions
Drop-a-roo.

>>10388920
not just gameplay but ost as well
https://youtu.be/2avLnqgXJ74?si=DnpJGklaAepeIQy3&t=672
https://youtu.be/mBNFTFnykbo?si=EETDyYTROCDFrvEj&t=749
https://youtu.be/KCdbbWPzu1g?si=Q0cNoPUNPFHz4oaF&t=647
https://youtu.be/-FaO18kmR8E?si=KddWTAeEtStrc7ov&t=710
https://youtu.be/JsKGoMd60eA?si=Zeno-g7RPGtBVV4E&t=796

>>10389263
Mine was Oolong-Bulma.

>>10389248
>When SNES port happened?
In 1995, between the PS1 and Saturn ports.

>>10389329
I see. Well seifuku densetsu pretty fighter worth some time.

>>10388230
>Basically the first games where just vessels for the porn.
They never really got away from this. There was some half-hearted attempts later on to make something decent but in the end it never got any better than those Bandai DBZ games or like was said above, Ranma. Sure, that's good enough for a licensed anime tie-in, but it's nowhere close when it comes to existing in the larger landscape of fighting games. The best VG game still feels cheaper than middling cash-ins like Mortal Kombat Trilogy. For the series to work it needs to take itself seriously as a fighting game first and THEN pepper in the ecchi gimmick. The reason DOA worked out so well is that the game is legitimately fun to play and feels like it belongs on equal footing as Tekken or Street Fighter.

>>10389950
I haven't gone back to play all of them but modern DoA is on the licensed junk tier for me and my impression is that they haven't changed in approach or execution that much. Like Fighting Vipers is a less serious version of VF that I would consider around the level of Tekken but DoA is a couple steps below that as a VF derivative.

>>10390093
Man I miss Fighting Vipers

>>10390093
you need to actually play DoA anon
not the modern tiddy simulator games
DoA++, DoA 1/2 hardcore, etc
theyre excellent i would say theyre better than tekken

>>10390103
Butt attack FTW Tamao from AVG2 also can do it. Also hidden Pepsiman.

>>10390105
Truth told I've always held Tekken to be highly overrated. Not bad, but if it were up to me it would not be such a cornerstone of the FGC but namco has the money so they get to decide.

>>10390105
I don't even like Tekken that much but holds (and the resulting way strings work) and stage hazards are poo outside of a casual mashing context.

>>10390160
Holds at least keep the fight going. Tekken is just about who can get off their single practices 10 hit combo string the first. If you get nailed in Tekken just call it a round.

>>10390114
Tekken ended up fucking DOA by adding bikinis to all the characters. And since Tekken's character design is generally better and more interesting than DOA, it stole it's thunder. Tekken women are arguably hotter. Come to think of it, that's another area where VG could stand out. Guilty Gear and Dragon Ball Z are doing that thing where they make the game look like real hand drawn anime. Imagine VG going in that direction? Picture playing a game that actually looks convincingly like >>10386495

>>10386495
is because murrican hate sex and because of that variable geo didn't catch up.
>get millions on sponsorship to participate in a tournament.
>rules are you have to be a waitress of any tournament sponsors.
>the winning gets as price 10 billions dollars plus a house on any place in the world.
>loser gets raped by the audience and is streamed on TV on pay per view.
>all the girls end up raped by the 2nd game even yuka.
even if you don't mention it on the censored psx games,is still part of the core.

>>10390435
tekken is shit and most females on current release look like men's so no thank you.
DOA is still better,the only way VG has to win all over them is doing it with all the core elements untouched and uncensored in other words after the fight you chose how the girl is raped.
what killed VG is the faggots thinking that censored versions are the best when they are the worse.

>>10390435
>Tekken women are arguably hotter.
Not with those man hands.

It was way too Japanese.
Westerners can't relate to maids. They however can relate to bouncing tits. 3D was all the rage back then and Dead or Alive was in the right place at the right time to catch the interest of anime fans.

>>10390728
>Westerners can't relate to maids.
There were very few maids. The theme was WAITRESS. And we have those in the west.

>>10389263
Erina is best girl. Post more.

>>10390767
Except an American version would be in a Waffle House.

>>10390728
>>10390767
>Check wikipedia page
>No mention of western release outside of OVA getting released in west
Ok, there's the answer.

>>10391023
Or you know, Hooters. Don't pretend like America doesn't know a thing or two about a thing or two when it comes to putting waitresses in skimpy costumes.

>>10390607
>in other words after the fight you chose how the girl is raped.
I think that lacks imagination. You could get so much more creative with it. For example, you know how a lot of 3D games used to have ring outs? The gimmick is that VG fights are super public, right? Well what if there's an audience? If you knock the loser out of the ring it works like a stage fatality in Mortal Kombat except instead of dying the loser is thrown to the crowd? And depending on the stage and circumstances, different things happen to her. You can get real fetishy with it.

>>10391054
Its funny because Hooters is so old school it hardly registers as risque anymore. They're dressed like they're going to the gym in the 1980s. Even the name of the restaurant has entered Dad joke territory.

>Not gaming on Sogna games

>>10390185
>Tekken is just about who can get off their single practices 10 hit combo string the first
>using 10 hitters in Tekken unironically
WTF did I just read?

>>10391128
That he specified 10 hits probably means he's a Smash idiot who never played a real fighting game but had to fight Kazuya and assumes that's what Tekken is like. They can't handle actual fighting games.

>>10390435
>Tekken ended up fucking DOA by adding bikinis to all the characters. And since Tekken's character design is generally better and more interesting than DOA, it stole it's thunder.
This. DoA made a big mistake betting on coomer bait characters and not improving on the other aspects. Once other franchises started adding coomer bait to their roster it was over. Especially when DoA designs were still looking like generic Honey Select presets while Tekken got the Soulcalibur character designers behind it.

>>10386638
>never made the jump to 3d
Thank goodness.

>>10391063
>You can get real fetishy with it.
>Yuka ringing out into a crowd and getting stripped and tickle tortured.

>>10391063
I think some version of this happens to Kaede. For some reason she keeps falling into giant vats of white cream (?) when losing.
It's like her stage/restaurant has an entrance, crowd area, tables/chairs, giant vat where they happen to keep industrial amounts of white cream, cash register, bar, etc, but she keeps getting ring-out at the vat of white cream and thus always proc that end.

>>10391270
>zoom zoom
DOA is still better then tekken.
Tekken is the route when you want to learn real martial arts,when you want to have fun you go DOA.
What ruined DOA was current gamers being a bunch of faggots and trying to please them along feminists which was a big mistake and ruined DOA name,gameplay wise is quite addictive and attractive girls with sexy clothes make it better.

>>10392080
You're a retard if you think that. The truth is much simpler: they were just greedy. They locked all the good stuff behind a paywall because they knew that's what people actually wanted. It ended up biting them in the ass.

>>10390103
Honey > Blaze the real cat/Rouge the fake cat

>>10392080
>Tekken is the route when you want to learn real martial arts,when you want to have fun you go DOA.
I always thought that DoA was a weird middle point between mostly realistic VF and mostly fantasy Tekken. DoA may be even closer to VF.

>Yuka is born on the same month and day as you
Holy shit…

If they made a Variable Geo dream match game and include the OVA-only characters, how would Damian play like?

>>10388270
If TGL had cared, I think they would also consider an arcade release of AVG2 to get into the coin-op market, since that market was still very relevant in Japan.
>And hire an artist who could imitate Kimura's style as best as he can.
Ryu Shishiyama (@kakuto01)?

>>10392089
not really doa6 is the worse and the reason team ninja left american market.
>make female chars less attractive.
>putt clothes that aren't sexy on paywall
>zoomies are too dumb to play the game and unlock costumes.
>disable clothes damage feature.
and you get why doa5 keeps selling even today along all the dlc.

>>10392554
The clothing damage stopped specifically because of all the DLC costumes. They didn't want to have to do all that work. Again, DLC ruins everything. You end up losing because they want to exploit a few more whales.

All the fanservice games went to mobile games that charge for gems in gacha rolls or outright charge. They know what they're selling and can get away with it until Tim Apple cracks down.

>>10392561
Clothes damage was removed from 6,is only available on 5 (ps4 version) and applies to all costumes included DLC.
Well is the classic go woke go broke.

DOA went so woke they convinced the Atelier developers to also go mobile.

>>10392726
Why are you repeating back to me my exact point? They removed it because they wanted to sell more costumes and adding clothing damage would complicate that. What ended up happening was they thought they could cheap out in DOA6 and people would keep buying thousands of dollars worth of costumes but nobody bit after DOA5. This has nothing to do with woke. It's entirely greed. It's cheaper and easier to make costumes when you aren't dealing with collision meshes and additional fabric physics required for clothing damage. And the faster you can make costumes, the more you can sell. It was a cynical financial move.

>>10390607
>what killed VG is the faggots thinking that censored versions are the best when they are the worse.
Then go play your PC-98 jank that's just a poor excuse for you to coom. Some people ITT really need to have sex.

>>10392434
>an arcade release of AVG2 to get into the coin-op market
I highly doubt this would happen, even buying arcade hardware from other companies could cost them a lot, let alone developing arcade hardware of their own. Capcom, Konami (not the greatest at fightans, I know) and Midway were veterans of arcade game development, so it was much easier for them to push their games to both home market and the coin-ops.

>Ryu Shishiyama (@kakuto01)?
YES! That guy, I forgot his Twitter handle, but I remember stumbling on his account several moths ago and I was convinced these are works by The Man himself, not a fan of his. The eyes and general lineart look like a carbon copy of Kimura's style.

>>10392434
>>10392824
>Ryu Shishiyama (@kakuto01)
I'm sometimes more impressed by great copiers than I am the original artists just because of how many subtle idiosyncrasies that have to be preserved in order to successfully fool people. There's an artist who goes by Blue The Bone who does pitch perfect imitations of 80s anime. You could easily be fooled into thinking you're looking at a screenshot from an anime from the late 80s or early 90s that you didn't know existed. She even does animation.

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/bluethebone/

Would love to see this in video game form ala Cuphead.

>>10392950
>She even does animation.
Oh, I didn't know that's a gal...
>https://www.furaffinity.net
Uhhh... I've... got some questions...

>>10392726
Did they add costume damage to the whole costume roster? Last I heard, it was only the Senran Kagura collab costumes, but I only have the 360 version.

>>10393354
There was Senran Kagura and Keijo that were used as anime tie ins.

>>10389263

>>10394054
Where did you got this?

>>10393354
It was for all doa5 DLC but only for ps4 version.
>ps4 version new engine with clothes damage.
>xbox (any) old engine no clothes damage.
>PC is just a port of xbox version so use old engine.
This is why doa fans hate 6 (if kof XV added the clothes damage back kinda weird they removed it)

>>10393403
Keijo was for DOAX

>>10394631
Xbone also has it.

>>10387250
Nah a modern fighter that plays like the console versions but on PC with humiliation/strip scenes would easily draw in a dedicated coomer audience. Just make censored console ports too.

>>10396338
I think you can find quasi-mainstream success today if you play it right. If it were adapted into a DOA clone but with nudity and were willing to cut the actual rape, that could legitimately work as a "real" game.

>>10386495
Well the name is shit for one thing.

>>10397515
It's no dumber than "Tekken" or "Toshinden" or "Soul Calibur."

>>10397535
>"Tekken
Iron Fist
>"Toshinden"
Legend of Fighting God
>"Soul Calibur"
Soul + Excalibur
All three are perfectly good names

>>10387568
>>10386907
>think "ludonarrative" is some weebshit term
>find out its actually a phrase coined by the designer of Splinter Cell

Based?

I keep habitually clicking on this thread because of booba.

>>10398075

>>10398138
Does Yuka wear a bra? I swear in some pics with clothing damage she has nothing under that top, in others she seems to have a bra.

>>10397515
That's typical Engrish-y title for you, many manga/anime/games have got retarded titles that's two or three completely unrelated English words slapped together.

>>10397774
Well, this. If V.G. would stand for "Virgin Goddess", then it would make more sense than "Variable Geo".

>>10398075
Same, but for Yuka.

>>10398160
She doesn't, most artworks depict her with nipples protruding from her outfit.

>>10397535
>>10397774
Technically the title is officially "Soulcalibur", one word.

>>10398280
That's a retcon. They were separate words until Soulcalibur III.

>>10397774
>"Soul Calibur"
>Soul + Excalibur
You can't do that shit. Sure, the Japanese names, fine. But by this rationale any random combination of words can pass. It makes Variable Geo perfectly rational.

Variable + Geo! "Inconsistent World!" See! Perfectly reasonable! Guilty Gear and BlazBlue are also equally stupid.

>>10399239
Why do zoomies lie about such easily verifiable things?

Which titles should I play from this series? Where should I start from?

>>10400420
Just play AVG 2 on PSX unless you know Jap, then you could care about the story of 1.

>>10400338
They were inconsistent. "Soul Calibur" was absolutely used.

>>10398258
>virgin goddess
Above all else

>>10386495
What her tats doin

>>10391323
Every stage would have a theme and the ringout punishment would match. A bouncy castle party stage would be surrounded by a ball pit and the victim would be tickle tortured by all the party goers. A gothic castle would have a bunch of BDSM gear and falling off gets you bent over a pommel horse, ball gagged, and spanked. A rowdy underground fight club has a cage match and if you get thrown hard enough into the cage you break through and fall into the crowd where they swarm her. You see the loser's bare legs rhythmically flailing as members of the crowd thrust in her.

I'm sure a lot of different ideas could be put together.

>>10400989
That's for posting evidence that >>10399239
is full of shit. Hope that clears it all up.

>>10386495
I need a webm or gif of this bounce.

>>10386495
VG never catched it on because the 90's weren't the 2000's when taimanin asagi happened, and VG was Taimanin of its time.

And all girls including yuka getting raped is canon

>>10401805
*lesbian rape

>>10401805
Is Valis the Taimanin of the 80s then, because they all got canonically raped as well

>>10402620
Nope.

This type of fighting game will never be made again

>>10392143
Yeah because IIRC, DOA1 ran on the Sega Model 2 board and the staff was influenced by how VF2 played

>>10401805
Even the lesbian?

>>10402841
Yeah per the Hentai OVA, on which yuka getting laid and raped later was cut

>>10402886
I super-powered Martial arts can't beat the cock.

>>10402895
it sucks that VG died out without a H-OVA series remake

>>10403143
>VG died out without a H-OVA series remake
Are you sure about that?

>>10401437
"Soulcalibur" WAS a retcon. You can see right on the box it says "SoulCalibur" and "Soul Calibur." There is nowhere you see "Soulcalibur."

>>10403276
None of the games have ever officially been formatted as Soulcalibur, you only see that because it's the style guide for third parties to render SOULCALIBUR. SoulCalibur even just comes from the C being bigger in most of the logos, that English Dreamcast cover seems like the only place someone fucked up and didn't all caps it.

I would worry about this about as whether people actually capitalize the S in PlayStation.

>>10402703
You can't just say nope without giving a better example.

>>10403276
>They were separate words until Soulcalibur III.
>You can see right on the box it says "Soul Calibur."
>This post IS a cope. You can see right in the post where it says "cope" and "cope"
Why do zoomies cope about such easily verifiable things?

>>10403164
Neo anon, not the original off the PC98 games that had more ecchi and lighter OVA.

>>10403307
Yes but >>10403363
is being weirdly territorial about it.

>>10403363
Let's play a game called find all the Soul Caliburs to prove what a fucking retard you are.

>>10403393
>is being weirdly factual about it.
>>10403404
>Let's play a game called cope to prove what a coping retard I am
You bullshited. You got called out. Move on with your so-called life aspie.

>>10397920
And he made it up for the sole purpose of shitting on Bioshock for being shallow. It just keeps getting more based.

>>10390767
Our waitresses dont dress like frilly maids though.

>>10386495
Did she ever show those magnificent tits?

>>10403685
Yes. Her nipples are brown

>>10388178
You just dont devour anime slop as a habit.

>>10403692
Prove it

>>10403660
"Soul Calibur II is the most realistic 3D game ever created!"
See, this is called proof. Try it some time.

>>10403692
That's more of a consequence of the limited color palette.

I keep mixing this game up with Viper. They seem like the same characters.

funnily enough rebirth is the only game this doesn't happen. she still gets "goo'd" but no in the traditional way.

>>10403928
Not really, there are other nipples in the game that are clearly much pinker than hers. If her nipples are supposed to be pink then they're a really dark pink.

>>10403739
Sadpanda has all the CG rips

>>10403940
Was it the same character designer for Akira there or did they just ape Yuka hard?

>>10403891
>That's a retcon. They were separate words until Soulcalibur III.
Keep on coping. The power of autism compels you.
>>10400989

>>10404625
NTA but at this point evidence is pointing to separate words being the norm and the combined words was uncommon at best. It really does look like a typo on the Soul Calibur spine. I'm going to ask you both nicely to let it be though and not shit up the coomer thread.

>>10403685
If you mean within the OVA episodes themselves, the answer is no

>>10404695
The OVA is legitimately good because it feels like a traditional fighting game anime adaptation, just with an ecchi premise. It's even animated just as nicely as other mainstream OVAs.

>>10403164
This, however, is fucking trash. In fact, comparing the two back to back is a good way to figure out where lewd anime started going wrong.

>>10403940
>>10404273
Yep, Yuka and Akira are by Kimura. Fun fact is they're both exactly the same height and weight.

>>10404967
I never want to hear anyone bitch about Akira Toriyama recycling his designs again.

>>10403940
Takahiro Kimura as a very prolific character designer in his time ;_; f

>>10403404
>>10403891
>Namco America
>America
not canon

>>10404981
At least Kimura's characters are much more appealing.

>>10404967

>>10405471
They got camel spider between the leg?

>>10404682
At this point, and all points before, facts prove that the claim
>That's a retcon. They were separate words until Soulcalibur III.
is false. But for some reason some faggots just can't stop coping about it. All they ever needed to do is stop coping and no one would give a shit. But they just can't stop. The power of autism compels them.

>>10405680
Dude are you for real right now? He's trying to mediate and you respond like that?

>>10386495
No 3D games.

>>10405880
What would it even play like? The EX Series?

>>10406641
Maybe?

>>10387536
You are a subhuman redditor
Kill yourself

>>10405857
>He's trying to cope and you respond like that?
>>10405680
>All they ever needed to do is stop coping and no one would give a shit. But they just can't stop. The power of autism compels them.

>>10404695
You do see a jobber's tits in episode 1 of the 1996 OVA though.
>>10404787
It also speaks about the state of the franchise at that point - the series switched to visual novels, the default eroge genre, after V.G. MAX. Not to mention that Neo was basically a second reboot - Rebirth was the first with mostly the same cast but different storyline and (less soulful) art direction.

>>10407386
You see plenty of nipples in the OVA, but Yuka's are not among them which was the original question.

>>10407301
At this point you're just shitting up a thread and you know it.

>>10386495
>Why did Variable Geo never catch on?
Cuz it was Japan-only and even for 2D fighting games standards it wasn't as impressive looking as Capcom and SNK 2D fighting games.

>>10405471
I fucking love these threads.

>>10386495
With the girls getting raped, did any of them get pissed on?

My purple megane computer nerd wife

>>10391546
I like this kind of thing because part of what makes a gimmick like this work is that it's fun. Something stupid and outlandish that just keeps happening to the same girl despite it's specificity. She gets owned in the same way over and over again no matter how unlikely.

>>10392950
You don't hire foreigner, because no matter how nice the drawing is, you can usually tell it's faux anime
And a lot of these artists would probably shit itself in a real environment where they don't 100% control how they make the content

>>10410281
Long time no see, Kaori anon...

>>10410624
>you can usually tell it's faux anime
Post one you can't. lol.

>>10392950
You might also appreciate Dee Liteyears. They also imitate 80s anime styles.
https://twitter.com/DeeLiteyears

>>10410128
Not on the First OVA anon, only Neo Sequel
And no Yuka getting dicked, just her purple hair clone

>>10405471
Based Frenchie

>>10386495
thinly veiled VG thread
I like your style Hitman

>>10386495
more bait for frenchie

>>10388270
I love 90s anime artwork
>pic related has potential as a 4chan banner

>>10390783
>>10390783

>>10411134
Ok then, you can pretty much always tell
Faux anime has been getting much better in recent years, some artist style are fantastic, quite the different from back then, when western made art was banned (still is, but loads do gets posted anyways) and it was banned for a reason
But... You can still tell

>>10390783

>>10410281
when your wife lost

>>10411304

>>10386495
But to answer your question OP it's because of 2D to 3D transition. To me, if Variable Geo took the Rumble Roses style approach mixed with some tekken style controls.

>>10411364
Nah they needed to go full Rival Schools/SFEX

>>10411425
That's actually pretty good. The team up attacks were sweet.

>>10410624
At this point most anime is "faux" anime if that's the standard. Half the time it's animated in Korea. A "real" environment is the problem, of course. The industry is notoriously shitty to work in compared to the 80s and 90s.

>>10411425
That'd be perfect except the people behind VG likely didn't have the vision or more likely, the skillset, to do something like that. It's frustrating because I can see it in my head. Like >>10401018 said, there are a lot of ways to make it interesting while also being a good game. It's just that there's no interest in it from the people who could make it happen. Who even owns VG these days? It's one of those dormant franchises that probably got gobbled up by some company that doesn't even know they have it.

>>10411269

>>10386495
tell me of this series.

>>10402620
Valis X is not canon

>>10392950
This artist can't even deviate faces

>>10411858
are your feet balanced on her nipples?

>>10411264
The dub says she has fake tits and that makes me diamonds.
I love bimbos so much bros.

>>10412329
It's super rare for fictional characters to have fake tits. Considering you're drawing them however you want anyway most creators wouldn't go the extra step of adding that minor detail to the character's background. That alone makes her interesting.

>>10412463
It is a dub only change. That said it's not unheard of. One anime I know had a character who was super boastful about her huge tits but the other characters would call her out that they're just implants, and she'd get on the defensive every time.

>>10411549
>Who even owns VG these days? It's one of those dormant franchises that probably got gobbled up by some company that doesn't even know they have it.
Entergram *is* TGL, right down to them being the publisher on JP PSN for the PS1 Classics releases of AVG1 and AVG2 (and the Farland games): https://www.entergram.co.jp/product.html (click その他の配信中タイトル)
All they do is just visual novels nowadays though, often times just cleaning and consolizing other companies' shit and smut.

>>10412531
I like seeing "realistic" sluttiness in anime. Not the hyper exaggerated character archetype you get from Darkness in Konosuba but more down to Earth casual sluttiness. Throw in a cigarette and a cuck and I'm diamonds.

>>10413349
Yeah, so it sounds like if anything is going to happen they'll have to contract out an external studio to actually make the game. I doubt they have the ability to make a modern fighting game.

>>10398258
the name virgin goddess doesn't make sense at all taking into account.
>several of the participants are returning fighters.
>if defeated get raped by audience and streamed live.
that kind of shit is to appeal to fat virgin murrican slobs and nothing else since they are kinda
>if is not virgin is a slut and ruin the game/anime.
take into account he name of queen's blade rurou no senshi that got translated as the exiled virgin leina yet we all know that reina got fucked by a snake and who knows what else during all her travel so the title exiled virgin was made to appeal to those virgin fats.
The variable geo made sense since is practically "changing world" and seeing how that world was messed up.

>>10403312
Fine, it called dead or alive: beach edition

>>10411154
>Archie-style Miku
Disgusting burgers art…
>>10392950
I don’t use furshit

>>10413359
>I like seeing "realistic" sluttiness in anime. Not the hyper exaggerated character archetype you get from Darkness in Konosuba but more down to Earth casual sluttiness.
Explain

>>10390105
Itagaki, is that you? How's those sexual harrassment lawsuits going?

>>10414746
He can't because Darkness is a hyper masochist not a slut.

>>10414803
You mean the false ones that fuck him over because no evidence or due process just she said, believe women, and le tuff e nuff japanese court system?, imagine if shit like that happens today..............................

douchebag

When is hiromoot going to let me pick an option specifically for absolute dogshit ESL posts on the report form

>>10414859
Oh and btw, the guy who replaced him Itagaki ended up ruining the franchise with Dimensions, and i HIGHLY doubt Itagaki would have came up with Marie Rose.

The only reason he still greenlight the Extreme games afterwards was due to demand by the fans in japan, but then the totalitarians of the west went after them, and now the latest game threw all away while of course focusing on predatory DLC practices.

I think there's a reason why if anything japan has now extremely harsh anti defamation laws, they are tired of false allegations out of emotional vendettas or bloodsports.

>>10414864
he aint in charge no more, so good luck

>>10414874
>the guy who replaced Itagaki

god dammit typo, ''him'', meant to take that one out

>>10414864
Never

As much as I loved Variable Geo, it came and went. I'd much rather a new series be made and one that doesn't repeat the mistakes of all of the female fighting series made since then.

In other words deciding the series' trajectory from the start and putting in a real amount of effort into its characters and their stories. Like for example, something as simple as releasing for PC exclusively means not being pushed around by console maker's politics, a trap that everyone who tries to make these games repeatedly fall into.

Too often with an all female fighter the stories are either really shallow (Aigle in Rumble Roses: "She steals goats!") or just mishandled out of pure greed, like Japan's tendency to turn everything into a gacha.

>>10415827
>releasing for PC exclusively
If you want to doom it from the start, sure.

>>10415827
>In other words deciding the series' trajectory from the start and putting in a real amount of effort into its characters and their stories. Like for example, something as simple as releasing for PC exclusively means not being pushed around by console maker's politics, a trap that everyone who tries to make these games repeatedly fall into.
It's really only Sony you have to worry about. Sony is today what Nintendo was in the 90s. Nintendo and MS don't really give much of a shit. The real issue is Japan. VG was pre-CERO. It's a different world over there today. It's very hard to sell a game with nudity now if you're a Japanese publisher. They even had to censor God of War over there because CERO apparently has actual force of law so games rated Z have to be put behind glass and shit like a porn mag. Right now Japan falls somewhere in between America and Australia. Every Mortal Kombat game got released in Japan right up until CERO and then they just stopped because there'd be no point. That disincentivizes a game like VG from even existing because you'd effectively be asking a Japanese developer to make a game they can't easily sell in their home territory.

>>10416374
Go back to /v/ and grow a brain while you're at it.

>>10416374
Cant CERO go fuck itself? What would ever take to the japs to stop being pussies and get rid of it?

>>10416385
What the fuck? I can't even pretend to know what I wrote there that you have a problem with. You legit have to be more specific for me to fight you on this.

>>10416393
It's very hard to walk back stuff that was created under the rationale of protecting the children. Anyone who suggests it will be met with resistance because what monster doesn't want to protect kids, right? It leads to Helen Lovejoys being in control.

>>10411134
Ramia-Yana looks like authentic anime but is actually made some dude in France.

>>10416849
The French are bizarrely good at fake anime.

>>10416637
CERO should be revamped and restructured, if not replaced. Too many post Gen-X Japanese are at worst in a state of Hikikomori, which is somewhat similar to the "Bai-Lan" trend growing in many areas of Mainland China and Hong Kong, or at best slightly phased by such tools doing numbskull things under false guises.

>>10415939
Sales and success have more to do with expectations than number. A mid budget game can ride it's niche fairly well. This is how a lot of games used to be before budgets and audiences ballooned out of control. And if you're just doing it as a hobby and don't care about money more the better.

>>10416915
Can you go into more detail? CERO definitely should be restructured but I don't see how that relates to the second part of your statement.

>>10415827
nothing wrong with all female cast,thing is gamers now are too fags or too prudes so will complain at anything if it doesn't fall under their ideals.
take as an example VG what was the name some called it Virgin Goddess yet almost none of them was virgin so everyone started crying out same as the age of the characters,rumble roses same issues because is too lewd for them and doesn't follow their ideas yet if you check the games is quite good and the best wrestling game of all time the ecchi moves is the cherry on top same as VG.
If some take the ESRB or CERO advice as something legal they should kill themselves,since is not even a law or something is an advice of recommended age yet you can buy them without issue (i remember when i bought my first eroge when i was 13 i was scared because of the R-18 yet no issue and kept going to buy more)

>>10416374
The change with Sony is that they started enforcing content policies from a western perspective similar to Microsoft and Nintendo of America after a breast expansion dungeon crawler managed to make it into the news in a country that mattered.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43414617

Japanese anime and games tend to get by on technicalities around their own content laws. The hot spring scene is just girls having a bath, which is something people do, you're the pervert. You're massaging the girl and when you touch her breasts or between her legs you're just "teasing" her and can't go any further after she calls you a pervert. The character lusting after all the other female characters is a girl herself so it's just playing around. Also you're a minor in Japan until age 20 so what does it matter the age of the high school girl characters, you know what you're getting.

>>10417047
>nothing wrong with all female cast,thing is gamers now are too fags or too prudes
Just look at what happened to Skull Girls.

>>10416849
Anything can be "authentic anime" these days. You can even identify as an "authentic anime" and call the police when someone says you're crazy. But the claim was about "anime from the late 80s or early 90s" And that doesn't looks like that.

>>10417392
Says a lot for how shit that game is when the only good designs are the dudes.

>>10417742
lol dis nigga thinks beowulf's design is good

>>10416374
>>10416385
>>10417127
Anon…not like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnynNWM-ps8&si=miuM_Md-BMSQN8nM

>>10417742
>>10417817
>dudes add in
Funny because feminist are reason it happened despite wishing lore

>>10417742
Them even adding dudes at all was sort of the sign of bigger problems

>>10414878
Any more info on this? First I'm hearing of it.

>>10417983
He got fired for sexual harassment not long after Ninja Gaiden 2. They also never payed him bonus money for DOA 4, which is why DOAX and NG2 were so jank, he was phoning it in until he got paid.

The guy who made Ninja Gaiden Sigma is the one in charge now, I think.

>>10418130
Thought we were talking about Hiroyuki of 4chan.

>>10417127
Sony was always like this though. People just forget because it wasn't as politically charged a topic back in 2002 so when the PS2 version of BMXXX was censored compared to the GCN and Xbox everyone just shrugged and moved on with their lives. Point being, nothing really changed. There were waaay more tiddy games on Saturn than on PS1, even in Japan.

One thing that did happen was people got wise to the internal hypocrisy of which games got approved and which didn't. Sony has no problem with bare tits if God of War is any indication. But bare ANIME tits seems to cross the line. And it seems to come down to money. If you're a AAA game then you can do whatever the fuck you want but if you're a niche title that has a less respected fanbase, you can go fuck yourself. At least that seems to be the message. It's almost like they're making a statement on which fanbases they think deserve fanservice. And if a game sells 40 copies because it's an anime dating sim, there's no economic incentive to give them a longer leash.

>>10418130
Wrong guy, you fucking newfag.

Do people play this series on fightcade?

>>10418970
Not me. Sure saw one.

>>10417392
Before the color: https://nichegamer.com/skullgirls-valentine-gets-redesign-remove-crosses/

After get delisted: https://nichegamer.com/skullgirls-allegedly-delisted-on-xbox-360/

>>10386495
What game is this?

>>10419509
It's an OVA based on Variable Geo.

>>10418504
Anime games just come back around to what exactly their content is. Mostly school age girls stated to be under age 18 being depicted in content that can be considered sexual. The Japanese rating people just let things slip through under the guise of jokes or very literal "It's not intercourse between a man and a woman so it's not sexual"

>>10418970
Fightcade now supports PS1 thru DuckStation, so yes, they are people who netplay AVG2.
AVG1 for PS1 and Super VG (since Fightcade supports SNES) can also be netplayed.

>>10420152
if it isn't pc engine version or saturn version what is the point.

>>10420152
>Fightcade now supports PS1 thru DuckStation
Did an update happened that i'm not aware of? Let's time i checked the ps1 section was empty.
>>10420162
You can play the Pc engine on fightcade too.

>>10420218
*last time.

>>10418917
>>10418142
And in Itagaki's case, there was no real proof, just she said she said bullshit, and at the time, japan had a similar, believe all women, you are guilty the moment an accusation lays on you, good luck fighting that, we wont let you, attitude, which was far beyond totalitarian, its only with the raise of hololive and the incident of their stars getting slander as pedos by commifornians that japan adopted harshers anti slander laws, but everyone who got defamed before still got fucked.

>>10420039
It's funny how arbitrary it all is. A lot of games, DOA included, just type "18" where it says a character's age despite it being obvious bullshit. Yet people rely on this implausible deniability to determine what a game's rating should be or whether to approve it at all. As if any of this is real. Trying to hash it out in your own head will give you a migraine because the logic trips over itself.

>>10401018
What I would love is if the clothing damage played into the mechanics. Imagine a game where if your character loses a shoe she then walks around with a gait and stumbles, making it harder to play. If she loses her top she might try to cover up, making her less able to fight. Other characters won't care and will happily fight nude but a shy character will then become more difficult to use because of the embarrassment. Or even just subtle things like if your far from your opponent her neutral stance will relax and she'll try to cover herself but if you close in it's then go time and she's all business. If a shirt or pants tear in a way that leaves them draping on her in a way that restricts her punches and kicks there can be a command that will let you rip them off completely to free up your ability to fight. All of this could be tailored to the character's personality so no two characters handle the nudity in exactly the same way.

>>10420581
It's arbitrary but they pretty much run based on the idea the characters would be considered people in the eyes of an opportunistic lawyer or politician. In those cases "age of consent" doesn't matter but 18 U.S.C.1466A instead.

>>10420039
>The Japanese rating people just let things slip through under the guise of jokes
This happens in America, too. Family Guy gets away with ABSURD things involving a literal baby. One episode had Stewie make himself pregnant and go to the doctor where he doesn't know what an appropriate age is so he starts saying numbers and Brian has to tell him to keep going up. It's beyond the pale of good taste but it's also hilarious.

at least we got avg2 as a game worth playing still.
like yeah it wasn't higher res nor crazy good graphically, but its a good game to end on.

3d vg would be too difficult/experimental and any new game in general would be in poor taste after the artist's death imo.

>>10420290
Itagaki's "don't give a fuck" attitude and him making games with sexual themes likely made the accusations seem more real back then.

>>10420851
They hated him for being a real nigga.

>>10419872
I see. Is the OVA and the game any good?

>>10420039
They really did miss an opportunity to call it 'Oppai-rates!', huh.

>>10420824
>any new game in general would be in poor taste after the artist's death imo.
When he was alive new Variable Geo games by other artists would be released and he wasn't opposed to them. He had already moved on to other projects.

Virtue signaling Kimura while not knowing anything about his work is just plain ignorant. "We really need to honor this guy...That I know little about."

Shut up.

>>10421543
It's ridiculous as even what very, very little I've read from the guy suggests he'd have been thrilled that people were still enjoying/jerking it to his characters

>>10419509
Read the fucking OP post you monumental sped. I swear you morons keep discovering new and impressive ways to be retarded.

>>10402620
I love Valis.

>>10403312
> better example
La Blue Girl would be the late 80s Taimanin.

the VG rips at hitomi are incomplete

>>10420617
So, like Bra and Panties matches in Here Comes the Pain?

>>10420039
I keep forgetting to buy this, psvita had a ton of silly stuff.

>>10411248
Great breadettes taste: https://nitter.net/MisterDigifox/status/1719799299465170988#m

>>10421418
The OVA is pretty ok

>>10386605
your mom's

>>10420851
He presented himself like a thug you'd beat up in a Yakuza game so that probably didn't earn him the benefit of the doubt.

>>10426206
I don't know what this is responding to but a VG revival needs to have a middle aged mom. 45 years old and still rocks it. Bonus points if she has a daughter who is also participating.

>>10427850
Jokes on you. Anon is only interested in my 86yo moms "youtube" (onlygrans). Sick fuck. But her youngest daughter is 46. She's my sister and all, but have no problem saying she's hot. She used to do MMA up until a few years ago. lmao when /vr/ coomers have fapped over everyone in my family.

>>10422152
>>10403312
Also Cutie Honey. Ecchi show for all age.

>>10422152
>Taimanin
Since you mentioned that the VG Revival should be directed by Murakami Teruaki.

>>10386495
Great tits

>>10388230
Only played VG Max and the SNES port.
God I love VG Max, but the SNES port was terrible because of the clunky mechanic.
>>10388270
>Still can't get that one running on my Win7 machine
Do you use laptop? I tried it on my laptop with Win7 long time ago but I think the game requires numpads to play or something. The last time I played it when I still have a PC.

>>10388270
>>10431927
You could try this to play in windowed mode:

In the "System" folder of VGMax, create a text file named "CommandVGM.txt" and add these lines:
ScreenMode Window
KeyBordOffset TRUE

KeyBordOffset TRUE is to use arrow keys instead of numpad.

>>10431982
Nice, I'll keep that in mind.

>>10431927
>SNES port
But much gameplay than nowadays.

>>10432324
I barely play fighting games, not my taste. The last fighting was Melty Blood AA CC. Never touch SF3 or later.

>>10401018
>A rowdy underground fight club has a cage match and if you get thrown hard enough into the cage you break through and fall into the crowd where they swarm her. You see the loser's bare legs rhythmically flailing as members of the crowd thrust in her.
>>10422657
>So, like Bra and Panties matches in Here Comes the Pain?

So this makes me think that limiting it to a traditional fighting game is the wrong way to go. Blurring the lines of fighting game and wrestling game opens the door to a lot more creativity. I'm picturing something more like Power Stone or Ehrgeiz. Especially since this would allow for audience participation. The fact that it's a spectator sport in-universe and the obvious allure of the girls stripping down, means that random bystanders will have a horse in the race and try to "get access" to the girls. So they'll throw items in, weapons, even directly attacking. If you get too close to a danger area you may get dogpiled in the middle of the match.

>>10427850
>The newest VG star is a 40+ MILF/Cougar who's fighting her restaurant
>Ironically, she first got the joint by street fighting in some very sketchy underground circuits
>Using a combination of styles, above & below, the board she strives to prove she can hang with the young girls
>Unbeknownst to her, her daughter also enters the ring, to help her loving mother who sacrificed so much. But she conceals her identity in a mask.

>>10432361
Try at least 2nd Impact, Strike & Alpha 3