/vr/ - Retro Games

I was 12 hours in never got so far playthrough right at the end and I lost all my ps1 games (don't work on my ps3 anymore).
fml
I have to redo everything on a psp as its the only console I have that plays it properly

>>10377604
DuckStation works perfect for me. And I have a low-end laptop from 2018

>>10377604
>lost all my ps1 games
If your PS3 works you can copy the save to PSP
https://www.guidingtech.com/18799/share-save-files-psone-classics-ps3-psp/

it's quite outdated

Agree on the level of detail. I'm still genuinely impressed at seeing characters' breath in the outdoor environments. The way it weaves player instructions with narrative cutscenes is pretty cool, too. Having a sort of convoluted plot with a wide array of different characters, it sort of makes me think it was designed to be a "social" game, but instead of like the first Zelda where people were meant to talk about what to do and where to go, they wanted people to talk about the plot details and themes.

>>10377592
I'm glad the series is being enjoyed by new people, but the Master Collection was a big letdown. The games deserve much better. I just want to see MGS4 finally come out of PS3 jail.

>>10377630
what!?
bro you just saved me so much time, thank you!

its fun when youre 12

>>10377592
The problem is the core gameplay. It's simply kind of ass outside of the VR missions. Once you've played MGS enough to remember all the gimmicks and all the story beats, you're left with nothing but pure gameplay and it's not that good frankly. Not even in boss fights. Only the VR stuff is good.

>>10378467
1 and 2 have some of the best gameplay ever besides classic Resident Evil. Every single area is carefully crafted for the gameplay, and to have multiple ways to solve every situation as well as tons of challenges to take on once you have beaten it.

Game is amazing I can't wait to play the Saturn version too

>>10378467
The gameplay is great

>>10377592
I played the game on PS1 shortly after release and the little details - like being able to use Snake's cigarette smoke to reveal the hidden trip lasers if you don't have the thermal goggles - just seemed to set it apart from any other game at that time.

>>10377592
I own the PC & Gamecube version of MGS1. I own the Xbox 360 version of MGS2 & MGS3. I don't think I'll be owning the Master Collection.

>>10378467
Played it for the first time this year and felt this way about the gameplay. The kind of game I probably would have beaten 20 times as a kid, but only want to play once now. The story and atmosphere were awesome, though.
Is the car sequence at the end the first turret level in a 3d action game?

>>10377592
Great game, but it's not a 3rd person shooter so I don't know why you're making that comparsion

>>10378534
>>10378541
The gameplay is looking at a radar and avoiding dots. The radar usually gives you more information than the zoomed in camera view they went with for cinematic reasons. MGS1 is a game that's only fun due to gimmicks that it throws your way basically every 10 minutes. But gimmicks are only fun once, that's why they're gimmicks. So MGS1 leaves a strong first impression but the more you play it the more you realize it kind of sucks. I'm telling you this as a lifelong MGS fan.
MGS2 on the other hand has solid stealth gameplay, the AI is fun to play around with.

>>10378815
>3rd person perspective
>You shoot people
I think it's a 3rd person shooter, anon.

>>10377592
played it for the first time about a year ago, it's real solid yeah i gotta agree. do you guys know any good settings for pcsx2 for the sequels? tried 2 but it's laggy

I don't think Metal Gear gameplay got good until 2. I never really feel like I'm having fun doing stealth in this one.

>>10379091
ok dumb

>>10377592
it's called game design, it used to be done before graf-x took over.

>>10377592
>first time in 2010
>Back then
>13 years ago
>like it's such a long time passed
You child.

>>10377592
You should play Tenchu 1&2 next. They are insanely impressive stealth games for the ps1 era.
then just stop after 2. Every game after is mediocre.

>>10379274
Nah the actual game part gets better as the series goes, but the atmosphere and aesthetic get significantly worse. The later games are worth playing.

I have a theory MGS1 basically appeals to people who like the fantasy of being a secret agent, but don't really like stealth games.
The mechanics are all so simple. You just shoot the guy dead, and then their body disappears, and that's all there is to it.

>>10379121
>back in the good old days when no one cared about graphics!
The single most ignorant opinion you can have on retro games. There it is.

>>10379305
I disagree. I’ve been playing through the series and was shocked with how clunky 3 felt compared to the first 2. The combat was never anything to write home about, but in 3 it’s way worse. Really, everything feels more clunky which surprised me considering how everyone usually praises Wrath of Heaven. About the only thing I like more is the level design, but even then it can be really nonsensical. So far the first game is my favorite.

>>10379363
Fair, maybe I'm just remembering 3 wrong. I just remember 1 having some weirdness with hit detection on the grappling hook and two having some weird issue with enemies disappearing and making it impossible to get the highest rank or something. I should probably go through the series again myself.

>>10379393
Oh they definitely have those issues, 3 just had them worse in some areas which genuinely surprised me. Like, the hit detection is way worse in 3 and the enemies just aren’t fun at all to fight like they could be in 1 and 2. 2 has the worst grappling hook, but 3’s doesn’t feel as good as 1’s.

1’s ost is also king and might be one of my favorite vidya ost’s ever. Wrath of Heaven still isn’t a necessarily bad game, but 1 and 2 just set such a high standard that I was expecting to be blown away by 3 and found it quite a bit more disappointing than the previous entries.

I think MGS1 is almost like an adventure game with certain predetermined solutions in mind with punishing consequences for failure but multiple routes. It's served well by its simplicity since it involves relatively little waiting or guesswork compared to its sequels. Even the "waiting" parts in these games generally entails using your scope and carefully surveying your environment, so it isn't like you put the controller down.

>>10377592
yeah i still really like it too. i actually think i like it more the older it gets.

>>10378467
It doesn't have a lot of replay value, ok. But I'm fine with that. It's a one-time experience, but God is it a great experience.

>>10378852
The gameplay is VERY rudimentary, bro. They had to make it work AND be interesting somehow, this in an era when they had no idea how to make it properly work. What they managed to pull was almost a miracle imho

>>10379121
That hit harder than it looked like it would.

>>10379274
Gotcha. Will do.

>>10379330
I like stealth games. Have played almost all Splinter Cell games.

>>10379674
This so fucking much. It ages like wine. As other games become more and more outdated, MGS1's virtues stand apart more clearly

I hated the camera angles so much I never played MGS or RE, the movement in the latter was not my cup of tea back then. Splinter Cell was the first game in this genre that I really picked up, I don't know why.

Can i play Goldeneye now?

>>10377592
Truly a masterpiece of gaming. I must have completed this game at least ten times as a child. Even Metal Gear Solid 2 felt like a let-down to me at the time, compared to this.

>>10379274
Tenchu and MGS are in my top 5 easily.

>>10378852
No... The camera is 'zoomed in' so you don't unnaturally see everything and it isn't too easy. The environments are also usually smaller than later games. There are no gimmicks, since every weapon and item has a core use and secondary uses to figure out. There are multiple ways to sneak through areas using different methods, and tons of ways to impose challenges to make for tons of replay value. It's pretty much perfect in terms of gameplay. If it's not for you and you prefer 2, that's fine, I prefer 2 as well but 1 is still an amazing game.

>>10380547
Same here. It takes a second to sort of “get” Tenchu, but when you do you really feel like a ninja. It’s weird how fast the game can feel at times too. Wrap all that up in a 10/10 atmosphere and ost and you have a really amazing game.

Why did auster stop doing the /ogg/ threads?

>>10380721
>Wrap all that up in a 10/10 atmosphere and ost and you have a really amazing game.
You cannot understate how important atmosphere and sound design is in a game. Definitely 10/10 for both, agreed.

>>10377952
>I just want to see MGS4 finally come out of PS3 jail.

Why? It’s not retro firstmost, secondly it’s a horrible game and all but a giant “fucj you” to the hardcore fans.

>>10381153
Hardcore fan here. I love MGS4.

>>10381293
I only played it once but liked it as well. Had the strong impression it gets way better on harder difficulties where the bosses are more of a challenge and you have to figure out the items and weapons more.

>>10381317
>Had the strong impression it gets way better on harder difficulties
You’d be correct. First time I played MGS4 I was horribly let down from a gameplay standpoint as you could just blast through it on normal difficulty. Going for hard difficulty right off the bat is the way to play it though. You actually have to use all the mechanics and study the levels and the best routes to take to get through them. It makes a game that could be beaten in under an hour stretch to quite a bit longer than that.

Fun Game!

>>10377607
this

>>10377592
I first played and beat this during Christmas 1998 with Lambs dark rum and eggnog. I was 17. Hands down one of the best solo gaming experiences I've had even to date.

>>10382963

>>10383007
Aw man, this is why I love this place. Thank (you).

This thread made me suddenly realize that I’ve never played the OG’s. How have they aged, and more importantly, are they fun?

I think I might play 1, 2, Ghost Babel, and Solid in a row just for the heck of it. Any general tips for the classics?

>>10383452
MG2 is legitimately a great game even today, by comparison MG1 is a bit dated but still pretty solid mechanically. 2 did everything better, including the story

>>10383479
Gotcha. So 1 will be more for the history and to appreciate the improvements in 2.

Just play metal gear guys. All or any of them.

Could I get some tips or even a video showing how I should be playing MGS? I feel like I’m getting caught constantly and just having to trial and error my way through it. I had the same issue with 2.

>>10384594
Honestly, just take your time. Watch the guards movements carefully. Learn how to run up behind guards, then stop moving completely. This is a lot easier using a d-pad rather than an analogue stick. You have stop your movement so you can go directly into a choke-hold. Learn the rage of your choke-hold so you know what distance you can approach from. You don't want to run into guards from behind.
Once you get comfortable with that, you can do a little trick to "increase" your choke-hold range; run up behind the guard, punch him ONCE from behind. His model will deflect BACKWARD towards you even though you hit him from the back. Immediately after connect the punch, press the choke-hold button, and you will grab the guard. The "punch-grab" is useful because you can do your choke-hold using a punch's range. The choke-hold is the best way to kill/stun guards quickly.
Ultimately the best confrontation is no confrontation at all. Sneaking past guards, rather than eliminating them is almost always the faster easier option.

>>10384703
>Sneaking past guards, rather than eliminating them is almost always the faster easier option

Gotcha, so far that’s what I’ve been doing as the chokehold, even when I do it successfully, just tends to land me in a worse situation. So ghosting is the best method for MGS?

>>10377630
>own both a PS3 and psp
>completely unaware of the fact that you can cross-save PS1 game data

well at least you eventually found out like 15 years after the fact

>>10384594
>>10384703
Also consider having 2 save files per-run. One file where you can be as sloppy as like just to troubleshoot and explore all the possibilities in an area. This is your "fun" file.
The 2nd file is your "serious" file where you apply the experience you learned from the "fun" file and try to get the best possible outcome in one go.

>>10384710
>So ghosting is the best method for MGS?
Yeah. Indeed the game keeps track of your time and your kill-count. At the end of the game you get ranked on your performance. To get the best rank you need to have the shortest time with the least amount of deaths.

>>10381153
>secondly it’s a horrible game and all but a giant “fucj you” to the hardcore fans

>>10384713
That’s a “solid” idea. Figure I’ll play through all the games my vita will emulate, so I’ll be able to play all the way to Peace Walker though I’ll have to skip Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake unless retroarch will handle it. Gonna play em in sort of a weird order though.

>>10384714
I sort of brute forced my way through the series a while back, but never really had fun till 4 and V, but since then I’ve grown to appreciate /vr/ much, much more.

>>10379274
The PS2 games blow 2 out of the water.
But yeah, 1 is probably the best in the series.

>>10384730
Glad I could help and good luck. MG is my favorite franchise. One of it's strengths is that there are multiple ways to approach each game and all are valid. Lot's of good replay value. Small details you miss you discover on your next run.

>>10378467
This
Story is ass, and there isn't enough of actual stealth game play in the main game