/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10370132
I'm not big on platformers, but I will say that the Treasure games on Genesis like Dynamite Headdy and McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure are at least a hundred times better than sonic. Even the Alex Kidd games on Master System mog Sonic the Hedgehog

>>10370132
Try the first Master System game
>>10370136
Castle of Illusion is the best Genesis game

Ever notice that you never see Shigeru Miyamoto and Bernie Stolar in the same room together? Makes you wonder

>>10370132
Well anon, if you don't like Sonic, there's always Golden Axe, Altered Beast, Streets of Rage, NiGHTS Into Dreams, etc... They make more than one game. Maybe check out Ristar or Vectorman for a change.

If nothing else I'm glad you at least tried them, though. Most people wouldn't touch a game older than 2010.

>>10370154
Rofl

>>10370132
Try Dynamite Headdy or Gunstar Heroes. Technically by Treasure but both games are owned by SEGA. Gunstar also has a sequel on GBA

>>10370132
Ok zoomer please tell me more about how Sonic was never good by projecting the popular opinions about the shoddy 3D games back onto the original 2D games.

I know it's bait but OP was filtered by fucking Marble Zone.

>>10370157
>Vectorman
Yeah, throw Chaotix in as well to make OP give up on trying out Sega games altogether

>>10370136
Well I haven't played those Treasure games specifically, but the ones I've played have been all good games at least (Alien Soldier, Gunstar Heroes, Sin and Punishment)

>>10370150
I don't know I've played Sonic 1, 2 and 3K on genesis and they were all the same kind of bad. What makes the MS version better?

>>10370157
Funny thing is, I very much liked Nights and it's from the same dev.
And I finished all of them, I got 7 chaos emerald in 3 also to play the last level

>>10370162
I'm 30 but I've never played them when I was a child. To me nostalgia has nothing to do with quality. Crash 2 was my first game but it's by no means better than Mario 64 which I've played when I already was an adult.
Never played a 3D sonic

>>10370164
I finished it in one sitting. The game punishes you only by making the experience frustrating, not by making you stuck.

>>10370165
Lol

>>10370178
The SMS games are completely different, iirc most of them are by Ancient (Yuzo Koshiro's team). They tend to have more puzzle platforming and more challenge. There is also no 3K on SMS, but Game Gear does have Triple Trouble. You may also like Sonic CD or Sonic R if you haven't played them yet

>>10370164
Back when I didn't understand Sonic and hated it, Marble Zone was my favorite because it was the least Sonic to me.

>>10370178
>Marble zone
>punitive
filtered

>>10370132
>it's not possible to like this franchise unironically
it is, but only if it was a part of your childhood. i hate sonic just as much as the next guy but lets not pretend like we dont all love the retarded vidya we grew up with.

>>10370132
Skip the first you dumb fuck

>>10370178
>The game punishes you only by making the experience frustrating, not by making you stuck.

This sounds like optimal game design. anyone with a brain will begin playing in a way that isn't frustrating, anyone with learning problems will just keep trying to shove a square peg in a round hole get filtered.

even if you're bad, since sonic doesn't kill you, a determined novice can begin improving their play immediately as soon as they exit hitstun. I'd rather a game accommodate those users instead of those who get offended and drop the game in a huff.

>>10370178
>What makes the MS version better?
It's more like a traditional platformer. It's kinda similar to Mario Land 1 but miles better. Has great art style and the music is by fucking Yuzo Koshiro so you know it's amazing. Oh and the bosses are actually pretty interesting and challenging

>>10370386
He played the other Genesis games anon, just not CD or Chaotix

>>10370178
>Crash 2 was my first game but it's by no means better than Mario 64 which I've played when I already was an adult.
This still sounds like Mario nostalgia.

>>10370428
To me it's bad design, because you don't have to learn anything, the game lets you play anyway and you finish the game playing like shit because you can't do otherwise unless you memorize the levels and their hazards. This doesn't incentivize skillful play as you don't have to improve to finish the game (the goal)

>>10370508
I have 0 nostalgia for Mario, the games are just good.

>>10370494
I'll give it a try

>>10370526
>I have 0 nostalgia for Mario, the games are just good
Terrible taste

>>10370530
If you don't like Mario your taste is either curated by /v/ or you don't like platformers in general

If you don't like classic sonic you have no soul

>>10370536
They were way better platformers back then.
Sorry i don't have basic bitch taste.

You already made this thread
>>10338134

>>10370132
Mario Land is good and so is Sonic and you know that auster.

>>10370164
I believe it too, Marble Zone fucking sucks.

>>10370132
marketing from the barbie guy rotted the brains of many. it will taught as a case study several years from now.

>>10370543
You are a zoomer retard who is not able to appreciate the classics, fuck off back to Fortnite. I bet you think Dragon Quest is 'basic bitch taste' too. Literal monkey

>People actually replying to a bot thread
I am disappointed in all of you.

Don't let it happen again. You're better than this.

>>10370150
>>10370494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_-dVeFTZsE

>>10370717
Says the retard who gets filtered by classic sonic

Hardcore gamers hate Nintendo and love Sega.

>>10370132
Wrong. I enjoy & play the Sonic games way more than any Mario game. The last best Mario game was Super Mario World. I loved Super Mario 64, but the replay factor is low, I prefer Sonic Adventure. The best things Sonic has over Mario are better visuals & better music.

>>10370132
I know this is probably bait, we have a "Sonic was never good/is fundamentally bad" thread pretty much every week now, to be honest there's one still up aside from this one (>>10338134) still... I feel that it's always important to consider that, among all of the bait threads, sometimes it really is just someone being honest and wanting to talk to people about what they think, then so be it.

What did you dislike about the series? I can see your experience was negative, but what were the reasons for it? I often hear people complain that you get punished for going fast and stuff, that you can't see far ahead and you get hit a lot, is it your case? If you didn't like the original trilogy, then I guess Sonic really isn't for you, and that's fine, though the 8-Bit titles are worth a shot still.

>>10371081
Those criticism are more or less what I think too. If it becomes much better on subsequent playthroughs, I still struggle to find a reason to replay a game I just played and hated.
I'll try to explain myself better: the character feels bad to control. Stopping every 5 steps to spin dash is tiresome. Pressing down to roll into things doesn't work most of the time since the hazards in the game are not always defenseless enemies (I'd say almost never actually), the camera is too close and you WILL bump into things. If it's an enemy, you lose your rings and retrieve some, nothing happened except you just got frustrated at the shit level design. If it's a wall, or an obstacle, you have all the time in the world to adjust to the situation and go through it. It's like you are just walking through the level, you are not overcoming anything, it's just a nuisance. The game is unironically slow as hell, one of the slowest platformers I've played. There's no flow.
Some other minor things include the special stages which are unfair as all fuck in Sonic 1 and 2 (3 is fine), water levels are obnoxious and exacerbate the problems I wrote above, the character design are some of the cringiest I've ever seen (Hyper Sonic, really? what the fuck is this Goku Blanco?), last stage + boss of Sonic 2 were frustrating as hell, and the first fight against metal sonic was pure trial and error. I guess there's more but that's what comes to mind now.
I like the music and some of the environments though (especially in Sonic 3K), but the game is just not good in my eyes. Every Mario I've played was better and incentivates more skilful play by just being a good game, not by promising one with an abysmal and frustrating first time through it

>>10371127
It really does become more fun and exhilirating the more you play, since you know more of the level design and also get a better feel for Sonic and his control... but still, me and a lot of other people that love Sonic did so the 1st time we've played, and it only got better the more we did, if you hated your 1st playthroughs I don't know if simply playing more will change your mind here.

Not every video game is for everyone no matter how popular it is, and that's fine really, though of course people can change their minds too. I don't think Sonic controls bad, though that's personal taste, I know, but he's very responsive, the main difficulty people have at first is that he carries a lot of momentum, but you'll get used to it, it's a matter of trying to not stop, keep the flow going.

You don't have to constantly stop to spin dash, it's a neat skill, especially when Sonic's already on a stand still for whatever reason, but if you're already moving then just keep going, Sonic builds up speed quite easily and the spin dash is mostly for short bursts since he loses speed quickly too. Of course pressing down to roll doesn't work all of the time, there'd be no challenge otherwise, but it works most of the time, and it builds up speed when rolling down slopes, so it's part of the fun. Early on you'll bump into walls often and stop, interrupting the flow, but even then you'll still have tons of exhilirating parts to have fun with, it's just that you only get to have non stop flow and speed if you get really good at it, just like any other video game out there really.

Sonic was made by SEGA, who are known for their arcade roots, Sonic follows an arcade philosophy of trial and error, getting better and going a little further each time, etc...

If that's not your thing, then Sonic won't be either, but for people that enjoy that arcade style, Sonic's as good as it gets. It's a shame you didn't enjoy it, but it is what it is I suppose.

Anyways, cheers!

>>10370773
I'm not OP you retarded ape, I'm a fan of most /vr/ Sonic games

nintendo kids have zero adaptability. everything that doesn't play like the games they grew up with confuses them greatly.

>>10371172
I tend to agree with this sentiment more and more. It seems their complaints always boil down to
>"this ain't don't doesn't play like mayrios, this is objectively a bad game, because it's not a 1:1 clone of my maryrio games!"
You can pretty much replace Mario with any Nintendo franchise. It's getting tiresome. Even starfox gets praised like it's some godsend by nintendrones, luckily /vr/ zoomers are getting privy to PC space sims and starfox is being brought into the mix and praised accordingly.

>>10370150
>Castle of Illusion is the best Genesis game
ENTER.

>>10370784
Fair & accurate.

>>10370132
I am very high functioning autistic (I have a job and a girlfriend) and there is something about Sonic. Never really played any of the games or consumed any of the media, but something about Sonic is mesmerizing. He seems to live rent free in my head for some reason. What dark magic did they use to fuck over retards and make them obsessed with this franchise? Is he a glowie psyop?

>>10371127
You don't have to do the special stages if you don't want to. I usually skip them in Sonic 2 and 3K. I'll agree with you about Death Egg Zone in Sonic 2, mainly since it's the one stage where you get zero rings, even once you know what you're doing the final boss seems to take forever. Definitely give CD a try, people who don't like Sonic 2 usually tend to prefer it. The final boss is a cakewalk in comparison but that does not make it bad imo. I also prefer the Special Stages in CD, even got 100% in that game one time.

There is also a Neo Geo Pocket game called Sonic Pocket Adventure that retains the elements from the Genesis games but sort of remixes them in a handheld demake of sorts. You might also like the Sonic Advance games. 2 in particular is a lot faster if you just want more speed, but it is very challenging. So even though I am a rabid Sonic fan, we aren't that different, anon. If you like NiGHTS you might also like Sonic R, but I will say it's meant to be played like a racing game (it even has dedicated accel and sharp turn buttons), not a platformer.

>>10370136
>Even the Alex Kidd games on Master System mog Sonic the Hedgehog
I genuinely don't understand how someone can have a hateboner for Sonic games while believing Alex Kidd was ever good.

sonic 1 is good but flawed. the lack of spin dash and level quality is all over the place. great music though (better than 2)
sonic 2 gets closer with spin dash, more consistent levels with speed and fun platforming sections. ending of the game is really weak though
sonic 3 & knuckles is of course as close to perfection as it could be. it blows open beautiful levels with varied palettes, varied sections, all kinds of new level mechanics, a simple but engaging story, and the best endings in any sonic game ever

>>10370132
This but also with Dragon Warrior.

If you can't appreciate games on their own merit you're a poser

CD is the only sonic game

> daily Sonic thread on /vr/

You fly boys crack me up

>>10370132

It's funner if you understand the map design. Most maps usually revolve around the top of the map being best and the lowest point of the map being shit with less rings, lives and more hazards.

Sega is a jobber console was never good like Xbox

>>10370132
Genesis's Sonic games are all together head to head with Super Mario World and that's what matters to me. I wish you could have all 16bit levels thrown over a world map and frankly, it'd be a draw

>>10370164
this sums up what's this thread about

>>10371685
because not everyone is sega vs nintendo some people have organic opinions

>>10370526
If you grew up during any point in the 90s or early 2000s you probably have at least second hand nostalgia for Mario. That shit was everywhere.

>>10370526
You are an absolute and utter retard in every possible sense of the word.

>>10370132

This sperg again? Holy fuck, at least wait three days before making the same thread again, you goddam zoomer fuck.

This guy talks about bad design, but the only thing badly designed here is this low quality thread.

>>10372261
What does that have to do with what I said

>>10372986
and what did you say except that you don't like Alex Kidd?

>>10370132
Sonic is poorfag shitware, not even a 5/10. If Sonic 2 wasn't packaged with the Genny no one would have played it.

>>10370494
stfu autist retard

>>10370526
>This doesn't incentivize skillful play as you don't have to improve to finish the game (the goal)

the goal is to have fun, actually! if you're just here to consume the content then yeah you can do that, but you'll have a bad time if you don't try to learn or adapt. you'll just be getting hit over and over.

Like, if your point is "the game gives me the freedom to have fun and i'm willingly not taking it because i only care about reaching the credits" then i fail to see how that's the games fault. you only want the credits, you'll see them credits. it's giving you what you're ordering.

>>10373693
Woah didn't your whore mother teach you any manners before she was raped and killed?

I'm a pretty big Segafag but I have never liked 2D Sonic and never will, although the Dreamcast games kick ass