/vr/ - Retro Games

Nobody cares about this strip mahjong machine.

I knew of the Saturn, but I never saw it. It was like a legend or myth. Along with the 32X and Sega CD, it was this weird world of Sega shit that wasn't Genesis.

>>10347604
This, I read about it in magazines but never saw one.

I had one, never knew at the time it was a rarity. however I did think of it as "the console with barely any good games" and although I had hopes, things never got better for it in its lifespan. if Sega had not fucked around with the 32X, and instead put handful more NiGHTS quality games on the system, it would be worth owning.

>>10347628
>never knew at the time it was a rarity.
It wasn't really a "rarity". It just wasn't popular with casuals.
One thing I don't think gets brought up enough on /vr/ is how a system can get sold more than once.
By the year 2000 you could buy a Saturn for $30 at Funcoland.
For a gamer that's an incredible steal. And the games were almost all 99 cents to ten dollars at the time.
If you were an upper teenager or adult who had a passion for gaming you surely would have bought one in this time period (I did, as well as two of my friends).
If it exists, I would love to see what the used sales numbers from Funcoland in the very late 90s and early 2000s looked like.

I'm just amazed by how wrong so many popular opinions about the games are. I'm playing panzer saga and the graphics look like shit. Don't get me wrong I'm having a good time but everything is so blurry. And then the first two games are really addictive but they're both insultingly short. Okay the first one came out early, fine. It's lots of fun. But by 2, I would have been pissed if I payed full price for such a short game. Could have at least copy and pasted the levels from 1 onto it as a bonus.

>>10347665
What you're experiencing is the way magazines reviewed the games when they were released. Muddy graphics and short length.

>>10347591
>you are not a real 90s gamer
Thats the playstation market. (Previous) non gamers.

>>10347665
What? Panzer Dragoon looks good for a 96 game.

>>10347704
I'm bitching about saga specifically

>/vr/ - Perpetual Sega Cope and Daily Zelda Hate General

>>10347714
I which jannies would do their "job" when it came to these threads.

>>10347717
*wish
Fuck my autocorrect.

>>10347591
My cousin had one. I only ever played the NiGHTS demo and Street Fighter (I think Alpha) on it until a few years ago when I finally started emulating it. He also had Genesis, Game Gear, and eventually a Dreamcast. The SEGA side interests me a lot more than the "obscure" Japanese side... Same with basically every other console (maybe barring TurboGrafx)

>>10347714
As if SEGA wasn't constantly shat on in this board, Sonic probably being the main victim with threads about it's a fundamentally flawed concept being a constant now... it really is simple, if you're a Nintendo fan, /vr/ feels like a Nintendo hate board, if you're a Sony or SEGA fan, you feel that /vr/ is a Nintendo fan board... people here will just always hate what's popular and beloved because a "popular franchise is actually awful" thread always gets traction, it's just the way things are here nowadays...

>>10347714
This thread is necessary to inform the recent crop of casuals and posers coming to this board that their claims of "I never even heard of the saturn until the late 2000s" is revealing them as such. This is necessary gatekeeping.

>>10347591
Sega Saturn doesn't exist
>never seen IRL by anyone
>only ever mentioned in mags
>supposedly "popular in Japan" (never confirmed by anyone)
>no Sonic, Streets of Rage, Golden Axe or any known Sega IP on it

>half the games for it were either "canceled" or "never brought to the West" (how convenient)
>not a single well-known game
>barely "emulated" despite years have passed
>hardware specs are complete nonsense
>conveniently """replaced""" by Dreamcast
>makes you wonder why Kalinske kept supporting Genesis "ignoring" Saturn (because it didn't exist beyond Sega's internal docs)
if you believe in Saturn, maybe you also think Santa Claus is real

What is an ironic zoomer

basically no retailers had saturns and sega didnt advertise in magazines. it was a ghost machine very few knew about back then

>>10347740
Millennials who use words like based and stan.

>>10347724
I'll never stop joining in on shitting on Nintendo because of the constant Sonic hate threads that are obvious trolling but somehow left to fester, they do it to themselves. I have no pity for them.

Also, Castlevania and Mega Man are a plague now, it's funny to see cancerous hiveminds shift, because as Nintendo has drawn enough haters to even things, now the insufferable unchecked masses are more specific than console warriors, but company warriors for Capcom and Konami who shit on everything else. I've seen some of the most obnoxious posters be outed as devout fanboys for one of these two companies.

>>10347746
0/10 but still got me to reply

>>10347746
You are completely wrong.

>>10347748
But anon... What if I like ____all of them____

>>10347761
Real gamers play everything.

>>10347748
>I'll never stop joining in on shitting on Nintendo because of the constant Sonic hate threads that are obvious trolling but somehow left to fester, they do it to themselves. I have no pity for them.
I try to avoid it, despite being sure that the majority of the people that make these threads are Nintendo fans that still think we're in the 90's and have to pick a side instead of just enjoying all of the cool stuff we could've only dreamed of having back then... I feel that doing the same just keeps a cycle going that perpetuates threads of low quality and little actual discussion, but depending on my mood I give in and shitpost about Nintendo too.

>>10347747
>Millennials who use words like based and stan.
Not to be pedantic, but both of those things come from millennials. "based" became popular on this very website because of a meme rapper who the millennial hipsters of /mu/ liked ironically like 13 years ago, zoomers aren't old enough to even know this and just imitate it as it crept into the internet as a whole. And "stan" is from an Eminem song from like 1999. Not saying these aren't annoying overused terms, but if anything its zoomers who use these terms without knowing the context.

In 1997 I asked my parents for either a PlayStation or Saturn for Christmas. I didn't really care which one.
It's very surprising to me these years later that they didn't go with the Saturn even though it had a promise on the box that it came with three free games.
They got me the PlayStation and Tekken 2.
(I already got an N64 the prior year when I told them I wanted either that or a Nomad, so they went with the non-sega option twice in a row).

>>10347773
Quite ironic, isn't it?

>>10347773
I saw lil b live like a decade ago, feels like forever

>>10347591
I wanted one but was waiting for the price to drop and it was pretty normal to wait for the 3rd year to get a system but one day I go to the store and its just not there, I didn't particularly notice that much because in my mind and I think most the others the ps1 and saturn were so similar so there didn't seem to be much difference. To me the saturn was the ps1 but made by sega.

Not long after I got one cheap and then thought why didn't this take off after I played virtua on and nights so I thought the graphics were great and that the public made the wrong decision. I later brought Daytona and my first reaction was oh no, what is this.

I've come to really like daytona, the intro makes you think the game is slower than it actually is when you play it.

>>10347604
I never saw the 32x but in a free magazine I saw the neptune. I was certainly never under the impression this was supposed to compete with saturn and ps1 like so many people think today. It was an old system that could play some cool new games for people who hadn't brought one yet which was a lot of people.

>>10347723
In my experience the ps1 and saturn were about even before ps1 became popular with normies, for some reason in about mid 1997 a bunch of normies who never played games started buying the ps1 on mass. People who never had a sega or nintendo suddenly has a ps1.

>>10347593
ok, auster

>>10347802
>for some reason

Yeah it’s called a marketing blitz the magnitude of which had never been seen in the industry

What are some games that everyone says is amazing but in reality are either just okay or even perhaps shit?

>>10347802
I was thinking recently that even if I did get a Saturn half of the games I would have played would have been the same. Street Fighter, SOTN, Resident Evil, a bunch of JRPGs...

The first time I ever learned about the Saturn was in this issue of Gamepro from July 1994.
I was at my cousin's house and he had the issue.
I recall looking at it and just feeling... kinda nothing.
It reminded me of other systems that felt like vaporware to my ten year old brain.
Horrendously expensive and featuring weird FMV games I didn't feel any attraction to.
And games on CD's?
What even IS a "compact disc"?
How would that even work?

I flipped the page and looked for more information about Super Street Fighter II and Super Metroid.

Later of course I became familiar with the system and eventually purchased a used Model 1 with a bunch of games from Funcoland in December 2000.

>>10347861
Also the mention of the N64 here did not even register with me. Just felt like total fluff.
But by mid-1996 I was insanely hyped for the "Ultra 64".

>unironic zoomer
Yeah I wish I could have been insincerely born in 2000

>>10347591
>tfw you could purchase this with tons of disks for it for quite cheap in the early 2000's when everyone saw it as a waste of money
damn my parents had unprotected intercourse way too late... finally making my own money and everything costs a liver to get nowadays

>>10347591
Cope

spic here, bought one solely for the garou densetsu games back in the early 00s. Later sold it for weed.

>>10347665
Star Fox 64 was also really short, but easily one of the best games of the generation. Both SF and PD were excellent rail shooters

>>10347665
>I'm just amazed by how wrong so many popular opinions about the games are

>wrong

>opinion

>>10347861
Is there a video available of that Project Reality demo shown on here?

Bought one off a friends brothers friends brother in 2000 for 20 dollars. Came with 3 lightguns, action replay, extra controllers and about 15 games including MegaMan 8 and Albert Odyssey.

At the time, i really didn't care for it too much, but i probably would have enjoyed it more had i known back then that the action replay let me play Japanese stuff. Ive got a pretty sizable collection of games for it now and have played most of the big name titles on it, and i still dont really think its all that great. Its got interesting stuff, sure, but i dont see it as the overblown "hidden gem" machine that retro weebs claim it to be.

Its cool having some fighters on it that would have been the best available back in the day like Vampire Savior, and ive played some decent stuff like Willy Wombat, Three Dirty Dwarves, Psychic Assassin and Super Tempo. I still need to give Bulk Slash a try, but the number of "must plays" on it i have left is probably less then the number of fingers i have. I really want to like it since im a huge fan of the genesis and dreamcast and i like the ideas Sega wanted to prioritize the hardware with, but im just not feeling it.

Maybe if i had access to tons of the jap stuff for super cheap back when i first got the system and was just playing all this stuff blind for the first time, perhaps id have a greater fondness for it.

The Sega Saturn is home to one of the greatest games in the Super Robot Wars series - F/F Final. It was the final game developed by Winkysoft, and served as a grand epic finale to the old school SRW series. While the PS1 port exists, it pales in comparison to the Saturn version due to inferior music. While the fanbase loves Alpha and SRW64 on the N64, F/F Final is a pivotal part of the series and its natural home is on the Sega Saturn. It's a must-play for any robot anime fan or SRW enthusiast.

>>10347591
It was absolutely fukken incredible being able to play the good ports of X-Men COTA and Street Fighter zero, SEGA Rally at home. Such a great time. Every time i see those reason-why-saturn failed idiots i only feel pity for them.

https://youtu.be/Aoa5EaLwDtI

>>10347591
I was born in 89 and I only ever knew one person who had one, and no one really talked about it or thought it was special. I of course read about it sometimes in gaming magazines. I was essentially an IDORT my whole life but I never had a Saturn.

>>10348136
I think SF 64 is a perfect length for a game that designed to be beaten in one sitting every time you play it. I'm not like a Tendie or a furfag but I still consider it to be one of the best games of all time, I can't tell you how many times I've beaten it and I can still have fun doing it to this day if I pick it up again.

I got a satiator and a couple of controllers
it has some fantastic fighting games but you can get them for ps4 with less loading times

really jus want to play Policenaughts, snatcher and Heart of the Alien on it
it's a shame there aren't many great games on it, probably to do with square and sony
and also stupid 32x and sega CD eating into sega's marketing

I was the only kid who had one from the people I knew. 1996 or 1997.
It was hard to find games.
NiGHTS blew my mind and to this day I think it was a magical experience, I'm glad I got to experience that.
Saturn was probably more of an essential console in Japan.
I think 5th gen in general was weird.
4th gen was more important, and owning both a Super NES and a Mega Drive was the best childhood a kid could have.

>>10347591
It cost 400 bucks at the games were shitty virtua fighter and clockwork knight and bug so nobody cared. They came out with nights after mario 64 bodied the saturn, but that game suked too. There was like 1 good game on the saturn, tops. It was an abortion of a console on the level of CD-i. Japs only liked it for porn VNs.

>>10347591
I got like 3 of these in the early 2000's because they fucking sucked and you could get them from yardsales with dozens of games and accessories for like $20 tops. People who bought these things in the hayday of the system I genuinely feel bad for considering out of the 30 or so games I picked up for it I only kept about 4 of them and gave the rest away.
The system wasn't anything special and why they are held up with such high regards is beyond me.

>>10347604
I have physically seen one (1) in the wild and played NFS on it but I can't remember the state of games being carried for it, we went to one store that carried Japanese imports so I'm sure they kept selling Saturn stuff but fuck if I was paying attention.

>>10350782
>>10350804
the duality of man
(one man being from NA and the other probably not)

>>10347591
I'm not from US and Europe and I've only heard about this this like once. I've had Dreamcast that was largely unheard-of kind of thing here and neighbor kid told somebody that I have a Saturn. I remember thinking "wtf is Saturn, is he making up that stuff?"

I also didn't know about SNES until like 2004.

>>10350813
Canada and I mean I don't know if I ever actually saw a Dreamcast outside of the box aside from the demo unit I played Sonic Adventure on in a Blockbuster either. I have always regretted not buying one when they were being cleared out for like $90 but back then as a kid it was sort of like how was I even going to get games for it.

>>10347591
The majority of people were not aware of it or they didnt care
thats why it flopped

>>10350860
>The majority of people were not aware of it
If you were a video gamer in the 90s you were aware of it.

>>10350860
Everyone was aware of it. There were demo units in every store. Even fucking blockbuster.

>>10347591
My weeb step-cousin had a Saturn growing up, and while I didn’t get to see him a lot it was the only way I got to play it.
We used to stay up late, eating pizza, watching random anime, playing Sonic and light gun games. He was crazy about relatively obscure (in the US) consoles/video game accessories. Dude had a Neo geo, wonder swan, he got me into Japanese games on the GameCube with a freeloader.
Cody, if you see this I’m sorry I ruined our friendship and D&D group by being a colossal retard.

>>10351047
What did you do to ruin it I wonder

>>10351084
Not to derail the thread, but growing up I was a really awful person who fell in with a lot of dumbfuck people that encouraged me to do bad things.
Long story short I pushed people away through drug addiction and theft. Not from them, only ever from corporations and colleges. But they got roped into it because of my actions. It ruined/dissolved the entire friend group, everyone stopped talking. I truly hate who I used to be.

>>10351093
Oh that's pretty bad, don't worry too much. These things fall apart through many other ways anyway

>>10348568
I had a similar experience. Only knew one kid who had it and I only ever played it once and it was croc and that memory is forever burned in my brain because I thought it was so cool and he kept talking about how great the Sega Saturn was and how the PlayStation couldn't play croc and then I got croc on PlayStation and never talked to that kid again. Not on purpose, he just kind of disappeared into the background static... just like sega

>>10347730
very useful gatekeeping people with NO USERNAMES
dumbass

>>10351362
lack of gatekeeping destroys many boards. it's about establishing and maintaining a quality of poster, general knowledge, and decorum. 4chan of all places should be self policed, of course 4chan is garbage now anyway but can't blame people for trying to hold onto the glory days before zoomers aged up

>>10347591
not even gaming magazines in my country gave a single shit about shiturn

>>10347665
>I'm playing panzer saga and the graphics look like shit

yep, imagine some people here called that shit great graphics

>>10347665
>>10351531
It does look very blocky compared to Zwei, but it's not the worst graphics you could get in a 1998 rpg.

Fighting game players like Saturn, aka real gamers

>>10351529
Which country?

>>10347591
I bought a used Saturn in the late 90s with about 40 games, including the Virtua Cop 2 bundle with the lightgun, for next to nothing. Shit was very cash.

>>10352380
zimbabwe

>>10351383
i guess a retard like you wouldn't actually be able to understand, but you can't gatekeep anonymous forums without purity spiraling in every thread which leads to zero discussion about the topic. but if you want to selfpolice, we can start with /v/ larpers like yourself who use buzzwords like "zoomer".

>>10347591
>This is your brain on being a console peasant

>>10350860
You obviously weren't there, even in Europe there was good hype for the Saturn since the Mega Drive did sell more than the SNES in a lot of markets

>>10354724
The funniest shit is seeing zoomers pretending that computer games at the time were even slightly relevant, if you are actually a boomer then i'm sorry for you, poverty must have been tough, i'm sure that speccy was fun in its own way

>>10354724
PC gamers would be even MORE likely to know about the Saturn even if they didn't own one.
You're being a fucking retard with that post.

>>10355445
>pretending that computer games at the time were even slightly relevant,
If they weren't relevant then why did K-Mart have a giant selection of big box PC games that was the same size as the console games?

>>10355453
big boxes take up a lot of space

>>10353902
>zoomer is a buzzword
Topkek at this histrionic zoomer faggot

>>10355493
Yes they do.
They covered a whole aisle on both sides.
I'll see if I can find some photos.
It's something I've been meaning to find and post anyway.

>>10347591
Literally no one owned it here in Europe

>>10355523
I remember it. 3/4ths of the aisle was productivity software and there was a selection of games like the Sims, serious sam and quake 3 in a big tin as well as shovelware.

>>10355527
That is a later date than I am talking about. That sounds like 2001-2004.

I'm referring to 1994-1997. What I remember is oodles of various big box versions of Doom and Doom 2, Super Street Fighter II Turbo for PC, Mortal Kombat II and 3 for PC, Mech Warrior 2 and 3, NASCAR racing, some oddball sim-racing game that was probably GT Racing, flight simulators, all of the Star Wars X-wing and TIE Fighter games, and lots of WRPGs.

For a console kid like me at the time they were quite mysterious and alluring to browse during Christmas time when I lurked the electronics department while Mom and Dad shopped.

>>10347591
Only zoomers care about “real gamer cred” and the sharturn. Adult men are too busy having sex and earning income to care about either of those things

>>10355729
cope, casual