/vr/ - Retro Games

PS1 had a much wider net of appeal back in the day, so nowadays there's no "core" PS1 fans as they might like completely different games. It's very possible to have a PS1 JRPG fan and PS1 racing fan who both have ZERO games they like in common. This is impossible on N64 where the library was much thinner and most players had similar games back in the day, resulting in a vocal N64 core fanbase which can easily get along with each other.

a few reasons.
first, N64 sold less units in total; but there's more to the story. SM64 was still the best selling game of the gen despite the gap, and other N64 titles like MK64 and 007 sold on par with the biggest PSX hits. Moreover, in America the gap was even smaller, by 2001 PS was roughly at 28 mln units, vs N64's 17 mln—and the biggest N64 hits still sold more than the PS1 ones (picrel).
second, it's hard to deny that N64 had a huge lasting impact, pioneering a ton of things in 3D that set standard for years to come. the games aged very well, unlike a lot of PS1 titles that used tank controls, prerendered BGs. a ton of PS games simply lost their popularity with time—see Crash or Spyro that sold well but nearly vanished after 5th gen.
last, it's hard to deny that Nintendo simply has "cult" status. you can take this any way you want, but games like SM64 or OoT truly built a cult, far bigger than, say, Crash or THPS or Tomb Raider or even GT. some PS games achieved that—FF7, MGS, RE, maybe SotN—but not all that many, and they had their own issues (see: controls and pre-rendered BGs).

>>10328703
could just be an amerifag thing but every kid I knew growing up had an n64. A couple had both n64 and ps1 but we almost always played n64 because of the standard 4 player games and the fact that the first party titles were so damn good.
I grew to love ps1 as I got older, but n64 just has more solid games on it despite an embarrassingly small library

PS1fans are turbo normalfags outside of the jrpgfags, the weebs and the racing-autists, they have fond memories of the console but they usually dont care about videogames that much to participate in gaming circles.
N64fags (or nintendo fans in general) are usually nerds so its easier to find them talking about gaming, not to mention the console was probably the first many of these nerds played so of course they'll have a soft spot for it.

>>10328740
Are those sales circa 2001? Gran Turismo kept selling even further in 2000s.

You easily can pirate PS1 Games thats why the PS1 sell more the same with PS2

>>10328757
The numbers are from the NPD as of 2005. It's a bit common to have some discrepancy in sales since methodologies differ, some count shipped vs actually sold copies. maybe they also include greatest hits versions and stuff as 1 game, as well as bundles (if such exist).
regardless, GT was the best selling PS1 game and one of the best sellers of 5th gen overall. whether it sold slightly more or less is not that important (especially by 2006).

>>10328703
N64 has Mario, Zelda and pretty much every one of Nintendo's major IPs at the time with the sole exception of Metroid, for some reason, so in a lot of ways it was a 3D SNES... but with less support from 3rd parties, that all went to PS1, as a result of that the PS1 fanbase, which back then and still today with the PS5 is mostly composed of people that don't consider video games to be their main hobby, often would play and own very different stuff, since pretty much every genre had tons of options, with most starting out in this generation too, which means there was no earlier reputation to sit on, unlike the N64 where most genres had an established juggernaut that people gravitated towards, and smaller titles had to work for it a lot more. N64 is just closer to video game culture...

P.S. I was a PS1 kid, and rarely ever saw a N64 in person, which is a shame, anyways while many do consider the cartridges to have been a mistake, I mostly emulate N64 over PS1 now due to that, I mean, the ROM size for titles that are essentially the same can be way smaller, which is fantastic.

>>10328703
Everything on your social feed reflects your person, not global relevancy.
Nintendo fans are literal cultists for this brand.

>>10328703
Tendies don't like games, they like the Nintendo brand. They forced themselves to reject anything that wasn't made by Nintendo because of the lack of third parties. In a lot of cases, N64 was their first console, they didn't know any better. In other cases, they acted like characters from an Orwell novel in order to diminish any good memory from other companies. I don't know what's the saddest thing.
I had an N64 and because I was a brat I would also claim that my console is the greatest one and all that crap. But N64 wasn't my first console and I couldn't pretend that the amazing moments I experienced with Castlevania, Thunder Force, Street Fighter or Gradius meant nothing. I couldn't become a tendie.
And rejecting the rest of the industry hasn't made tendies any good. I still remember how sad and angry they acted years ago. They would react as if you had killed their parents if you ever dared to criticize a Nintendo game. To reject whole genres, to hate everything except for Nintendo because of misguided pride... that just wasn't healthy. This attitude affects even games in their own consoles. I wonder how many tendies actually had, for example, more fun with Illusion of Time or Secret of Mana than with Zelda ALTTP. Yet they would never admit it because third parties don't 'represent' them. Games like Goemon's great adventures were also ignored because of that.
We could also talk about the special treatment they receive from press. I bought Mario 64 and I was negatively surprised by the minuscule levels, the repetitive structure, the shitty and repetitive bosses... but I wouldn't have been surprised if magazines had told me about the good and bad things instead of claiming that it's perfect. Never before I had been more aware of reviewers being capable of acting like fanboys and lie through their teeths for the sake of their brand. That was basically propaganda. And I still like the game, but I don't want lies, console warriors and Ads.

>>10328703
Pretty sure I have seen this exact thread before either on here or /v/. Anyway, the answer is the same as before. Nintendo IP's are still very relevant, especially Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon. Nintendo still pushes N64 nostalgia hard, even having things like a Mario 64 skin in Odyssey.

While PlayStation as a brand is still popular, the came cannot be said of Crash, Spyro, PaRappa, Ape Escape, Castlevania, etc. or even PS2 IP's like Jak, Ratchet, and Sly. Sony basically couldn't give a rip about the PS1, PS2, probably the PS3, and definitely the PSP and Vita. tl;dr it's hard for anyone to care when Sony themselves doesn't put any effort into keeping these consoles or the games relevant (to say nothing of how they treated them when they should've been relevant, especially Vita)

>>10328703
For the same reason the internet seems overpopulated with trans people even though it's almost impossible to see one in person

I think you are selectively remembering but the n64 was nintendo, many ground breaking games that did it better than anyone else in their time like Mario 64, Mario Kart, Ocarin of Time, high quality trendsetters that everybody tried emulating for generations to come, that really can't be said of almost any ps1 game, FF7 doesn't have the legacy of Ocarina of Time, Crash nor Spyro have the legacy of Mario 64, MGS was popular but no one really emulates them either, Resident Evil, that style of game has been utterly abandoned and so on.
Short answer, the games had more impact on gaming.

Being on cartridges made the games feel more meaningful than CD based games.

>>10329152
>I bought Mario 64 and I was negatively surprised by the minuscule levels, the repetitive structure, the shitty and repetitive bosses
Nobody in 1996 thought this.

>>10329152
>I had an N64 and because I was a brat I would also claim that my console is the greatest one and all that crap.
I did this too. My friends would tell me alttp was the greatest game of all time and i would always scratch my head knowing it wasn't even as good as secret of mana or master system wonderboys. Looking back now it made no sense how I would abandon my old consoles.

>>10329176
My neighbours mother did. I recall getting into arguments with her over n64 vs psx. She was very critical about the lack of detail in Mario 64s graphics which is a bit funny considering Mario 64 held up as one of the best looking games due to its simplicity.

>>10329172
Mario 64 was clearly inspired by Jumping Flash, another platformer where you had to explore little 3d environments instead of following a linear path.
Ocarina of time was a copy of games like Goemon 64 or Tomb Raider, it didn't have a single original idea. Even the auto aiming was copied from Tomb Raider.
Mario Kart barely had any influence. They made a bunch of clones and that was all.

>>10328740
I wouldn't even call it cult status really. Mario just got a movie and both Zelda games on Switch were super popular. Even if Sony brought back Ape Escape or something on the other hand there's no guarantee it would sell very well, not like Mario and Zelda. Nintendo just established these flagship IP's as staples very early on and never broke away from it, Sony replaces them every gen and as a result the N64 is (maybe?) more fondly remembered nowadays.

There's also the huge impact four player multiplayer made. Nobody could forget those late nights staying up and playing Mario Party, Mario Kart, or Smash Bros. I mean I guess PS1 had Madden, but that wasn't an exclusive or anything.

>>10329152
It is a two-fold, maybe three-fold problem. Nintendo makes underpowered hardware and repels third-party developers, Nintendo fans only play first-party Nintendo games, Sony and MS make great hardware with great third-party games while making mediocre first-party games, Nintendo fans see this and ignore it because they are only looking at first-party stuff, the next gen is introduced, rinse and repeat.

If I can put myself in tendie mode for a second, it's probably confusing for them when they look at Sony or SEGA as a brand, because of how Nintendo handles things. Sony doesn't really make games, most of the good stuff on PS1 and other platforms was made by third-parties like Capcom, Namco, and Konami. SEGA has a lot of IP's, but the only one that's been consistently active is Sonic, and unlike Nintendo they don't have three or four other colorful platformer series outside of maybe Monkey Ball and a bunch of older titles that only got like one or two entries (Ristar, Vectorman, Clockwork Knight, Astal etc).

>>10329202
Mario 64 and Jumping Flash are not similar at all. Same with OoT and Goemon/Tomb Raider. You can make surface level comparisons between them but nothing significant.

>>10329184
What kind of weirdo gets into console wars arguments with a kid as an adult? That's so stupid that I actually believe you.

>>10328703
PS1 games are mostly forgettable, they were primarily focused on being cinematic and flashy by mid-late 90s standards and that hasn't held up at all. They sold well simply because they were the games everyone else was playing. This has been the Sony model since the beginning.

>>10328703
N64 more like n60 snore

>>10328748
>but n64 just has more solid games on it despite an embarrassingly small library
Nintendo went for quality, Sony went for quantity, people remember each console accordingly. Nintendo games are designed to be timeless, Sony games are designed to sell during that console's lifespan and then be forgotten.

>>10328703
Nintendo is basically a brand cult. Some people get off on being a "Nintendo fan" and I wouldn't doubt a lot of people who jerk off N64 never played shit aside from some vague childhood memories.

In the mid 00s, quirky shit and being a "dork" became really popular, you would find a million emo kids with bangs sporting Nintendo hoodies. How many were huge gamers and how many just wanted to pass off this quirky, dorky persona? I mention this, because that's really when I started to see what we call the modern "tendie" archetype, in the 90s I knew kids with N64, I knew kids with PSX, I knew kids with Dreamcast, but there wasn't quite a popular fetishism of the brand if that makes sense, like I knew nobody who was autistically obsessed with Mario even if they liked Mario

You can't really do that with Sega, or Sony, because they didn't have this quirky, innocent, childish appeal that N64 went balls deep into, appealing to quirky softbois and "not like the other girls" girls

>>10329202
You're deluded as fuck. It's not one feature that they are groundbreaking for, it's the whole package.
They did it better than anyone else, they were the cream of the crop. It took many years before any other platformer came close to the control and precision of Mario 64 for example, all other platformers of the time were awkward, clumsy, clunky, moves didn't flow well together or couldn't really be chained, they were floaty.
Super Mario 64 was simply superior to all platformers of its generation and if you weren't such a deluded jackass you would recognize quality over tiny little nitpicking.

>>10329242
>ah yes, nobody really liked street fighter and tekken, the real quality games were war gods and bio freaks

>>10329242
What Sony games even

MGS and FF7 are not Sony games. I would argue that PS1 had both quantity and quality, but you are right that little of that had to do with Sony games lol

>>10329253
>nobody really liked street fighter and tekken
People really liked the arcade versions, not the inferior console ports

>>10329253
>street fighter and tekken
Not Sony games. Exclusive in Tekken's case yes, but not made by Sony

as someone who autistically hunts down jp ps1 trash just to play it and loves the ps1 to death:

only on /vr/ can you find people preferring jumping flash to mario 64 lmao

>>10328703
When talking about PS1 games people talk about the games rather than the console. MGS1, Spyro, Tekken etc all have plenty of discussion on /v/ and /vr/. PS1 simply has too many games and too much variety for one thread.
When talking about N64 games it all tends to get lumped into one. Less threads about specific titles like Banjo and instead more threads in the style of "What are your favourite N64 games?"

because you play the newest Tekken
newest GT
newest Ape Escape
newest Wipeout
newest Crash
newest Crash Team Racing
newest FIFA
newest Metal Gear Solid
newest Madden
newest GTA
newest Final Fantasy
on the newest PlayStation

>>10329276
I'm pretty sure that Final Fantasy Vll Would be in le ps1 conversation, lel

>>10329263
>>10329264
It doesn't matter. Who made the games is irrelevant, they were on one console and not the other.

Do you really think people who had N64 or PSX strictly limited themselves to playing games made by Sony or Nintendo? Lol, the only N64 game not considered a kiddy game was Goldeneye

>>10329293
The "kiddy game" shit has always been dumb, since the only people who actually cared about that shit were kids who wanted to seem more mature. Adults play whatever they think is fun. Kids have always constituted the core GTA, CoD etc audience, the supposed "mature" games.

>>10328703
Part of it is the people who look back fondly on multiplayer games. Goldeneye and Mario Party were really memorable experiences of the time.
Whenever I tell someone I'm into retro games their response is usually, "Do you have an N64?"

>>10329202
How many Jumping Flash-likes exist compared to the collectathons that try to ripoff Mario 64's basic movement and mission-based design? Not even just platformers, but even the devs of THPS and GTA have cited SM64 as an inspiration.
>Ocarina of time was a copy of games like Goemon 64 or Tomb Raider
Again, they're really nothing alike. Goemon is a platformer with character switching and mech bosses. It's not a collectathon, but I'd compare it more with the Rareware platformers. Tomb Raider is tank control trash with dogshit lock-on and moon physics. No one makes games like that anymore, and people literally only remember it because they coomed to Lara.

>>10329295
>the only people who actually cared about that shit were kids who wanted to seem more mature
Or people that find them bland, soulless or too safe, and look for something that will give them stronger emotions.

>>10329284
And Bushido blade 2

>>10329304
I was replaying Halo 2 and when I got to the part at the beginning with the walkway moving up and down I thought, "wow, that's very Mario 64"
Mario 64 may not have invented everything but it sure did give textbook examples of techniques for implementing 3D games.

>>10329306
>Or people that find them bland, soulless or too safe
Absolutely none of which describes the core N64 titles outside of Goldeneye, which were utterly groundbreaking at the time

>>10329320
Only if you're extremely insulated from every other video game platform

>>10329235
Yeah, people didn't have fun with the multiplayers of Tekken or PES, or flying planes in Ace Combat, or racing cars in Gran Turismo, or solving puzzles in Alundra, or exploring the castle of SOTN, or messing with the guards in Metal Gear, or performing tricks in Tony Hawk, or solving missions in Driver, or climbing walls in Tenchu or...

>>10329320
Mario 64 has got to be the most artless, milquetoast game of all time. It pales in comparison to even early Mario titles, which has always been a somewhat boring and quite overrated series, but Mario 64 takes the cake in terms of being generic.

Sonic games got me excited with their flashy looks and jamming sounds, Crash Bandicoot frustrated me but kept us playing out of anger, Mario 64 and DK64 put me to sleep.

>>10329293
What he's saying is right though. Nintendo games are timeless, whereas Sony games aren't what made PS1 great, at all.

>>10329329
Tasing terrorists in syphon filter

>>10329332
You have very unusual taste.

>>10329332
Yeah, Mario 64 was just so boring and shitty that Sony made multiple attempts at creating a game that could rival it. Such a non-factor for the industry.

>>10329352
that's what brand loyalty does to a mfer, he's obligated to say stupid shit like that

>>10328703
>Normie/ JRPG FMV viewer
vs
>4 player 3-D world classics generator

The same with happen to the PS4 and 5.

Because quality over quantity.
Ps1 had a LOT of shovelware and JRPGs.
N64 had a lot of hard hitting games in all genres (aside from JRPGS, thankfully i dont like that shit)

Also, n64 niggas, the search for the perfect analog stick is over.

>>10328703
Nintendo games aged better than PS1 games.

>>10329407
>64 had a lot of hard hitting games in all genres
No it didn't. It didn't even have a single light gun game.

>>10329416
A light gun? You need a pretty heavy duty ass blaster for the noncetendie shitty floor. I'm surprised they didn't try to put a light gun in the n63 controller, e erything but the fucking kitchen sink and design quality

Playstation games went after realism, which does not age well. Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Driver, Medal of Honor, Gran Turismo, etc. those are all top PS1 games. but when people think about nostalgic playstation games, the first games that come up are Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Klonoa, etc. and those games are often not near the top of the list of best PS1 games like those games that focused on realism. so I think that's your answer, if Metal Gear Solid or Tomb Raider had a more timeless aesthetic they wouldn't have done as well at the time but they would be remembered more fondly today. imagine if MGS had graphics and setting like Megaman Legends, or Resident Evil was like Conker's Bad Fur Day, or Tomb Raider was like Dinosaur Planet. Any of those would have instantly replaced Crash as the Playstation "mascot" and would be compared against Sonic and Mario today. graphics may not matter, but aesthetic does.

>>10329263
Definitely not the case for Tekken. The games were very similar and the console greatly expanded on features

So N64 could be used with Joystick and Face buttons or d pad and face buttons, but... did any game ever make use of D pad and Joystick only.

>>10329518
>D pad and Joystick only.
Not that I know of. Some games used Dpad, analog stick and face buttons all in one.

>>10328703
just because something sells more it doesn't mean it's better. PS1 games aged very poorly and were never that good to begin with. Compare that to games like SM64, banjo kazooie, star fox 64, zelda OoT, perfect dark, conker, smash bros, and many others that are still a blast to play till this day. PS1 sold more because it has cheaper games and piracy. That's it.

>>10329202
based. Jumping Flash was actually a superior game.

>>10329263
Tekken 3 was the absolute best selling console fighting game until MKX 17 years later. I don't know about you but I saw a T3 arcade machine exactly once at a small town railway station. It was barely present in the arcades outside of Japan.

>>10328703
>I see so many posts talking about N64 games and N64 history, so much nostalgia for it, but then you see far less of that for the PS1 despite the fact that it sold far more.
You just answered your own question. N64 might not have made the biggest numbers, but people are STILL playing N64 games compared to PS1 games. It also helps that the vast majority of N64 games are still highly associated with the console, not to mention very, very few N64 games have gotten ports/remasters/remakes to other platforms, which only bolsters the nostalgia factor.

>>10328703
Currently on /vr/,
PS1: Tekken 3, two SotN threads, Final Fantasy 7, Resident Evil 2, Doom, Community Pom, SaGa Frontier, Digimon World, Harry Potter, Medal of Honor, Parasite Eve 2, Ape Escape, Vagrant Story - 14 threads.
N64: Supercross 2000 (barely counts, made as motorcross general), Majora's Mask, N64 Mini, Bomber Man 64 - only 4 threads.
PS1 utterly mogs N64 in popularity, OP is disproven, /thread

>>10329548
Which one generates more asshurt?

>>10329552
Floigan

>>10329548
the Majora's Mask thread has more replies than all those PS1 threads put together lol

>>10329548
PS1 has people talking about its games. N64 has this thread trying to justify the N64 itself. Small pp energy.

>>10329569
It's because it's one of the 5 games actually worth playing on it, so nintoddlers flock to it for Nintendie points Md drink the oot-aid

>>10329569
It actually has 2x less replies but that's not important. What's important is that it's 12 days old and still hasn't reached the bump limit. Grim.

>>10329548
Lmao. OP's in shambles.

>>10328703
Because N64 got the way more timeless games that still play well today (stick controls, fully 3D)

Especially if you mod them you can make them play like new AAA games

Most PS1 classics are overrated JRPG shit or games that simply have better sequels like MGS

>>10329407
>in all genres
some of these genre representatives feel like a bit of a stretch though. i like mario kart 64 and wave race, but they just don't have the same appeal as something like gran tourismo or daytona usa.
same for fighting games, smash bros just doesn't have the same appeal as something like tekken or virtua fighter. all the other n64 fighters seem to range from mediocre to bad.
unless you like the specific type of games nintendo or rare pumps out, you're kinda out of luck with the n64 library.
meanwhile, no matter what kind of games you like, you can find a good game you'll like on the ps1. even the saturn had a better variety of good games (at least, if you can read jp) than the n64.
theres no archetype of an average ps1 fan, as each one might've played very different games.
everyone with an n64 had basically the same set of games, so its easier to find like minded people.

tldr. everyone played the same games so it's easier to find people who liked the same games on the n64.

>people talking about ps1 games "aging badly"
has to do with when people played these games. the games that you played when you were 7 have more impact than if you played them when you were 27. this is why people talk about more colourful games when talking about systems they're nostalgic for, those are the games that they had and/or appealed to them as kids. not really anything to do with "aging well" or quality. i find that n64 games have aged just as poorly as ps1 games, graphics wise.
i played frogs n flies a lot more than yar's revenge as a kid, but that doesn't mean that frogs n flies was necessarily a better game.

Idk to me ps1 feels more popular due to emulators being able to fix the wonky texture warping and romhack english translations of le hidden gems

>>10328703
It's not, this board alone has more daily threads about various PS1 games. N64 has way less threads and they are always about Mario 64, OoT, MM and Banjo. N64 had only one prominent genre which is platformer/adventure. Everything else was much better on PS1: fighting games, racing games, rpgs, survival horrors etc. And then games like Tomb Raider and Spyro covered the only genres that N64 was known for.

When I look at the N64 library I have the same sense of dread that I feel when I think about Sega Genesis. Both have a half dozen really great and iconic first party titles, a couple of good second parties and that's basically it. 90% of third party games are western made shovelware from the time when really good and high budget western developers were focused on PC (id Software, Origin Systems, Blizzard, Bullfrog, Looking Glass Studios etc). 90's was still the japanese era of console gaming and the best japanese third party games were on SNES and PS1.

imagine hypothetically everyone in my year at school had ps1s instead of 64s, and let's say me and two other guys go around to a fourth guy's house for 2 hours after school. now what the fuck game have we been waiting all day to play?

>>10329895
>N64
>Genesis
They both have the same kind of fan who still tries to justify the choice their parents made 30 years ago during christmas shopping period. See: sega-16 forums. Growing up with only a Genesis or a N64 must've been grim. 2-3 good games per year and so many missed great gaming moments that others had.

>>10329235
Define cinematic.

>>10329507
>Playstation games went after realism

>>10329914
Gorgeous game.

>>10328703
>Why is it the N64 seems to be much more popular today than the PS1
It isn't. Nintrannies just happen to be very vocal and very annoying.

>>10329895
>>10329908
don't think they're really comparable. sure, a lot more good games were releasing on snes, but the mega drive had a lot more good games than the n64. it was also getting frequent releases, no real software droughts. mega drive kids had a constant stream of games to look forward to while n64 kids had to wait months between nintendo releases.

Simple answer: because Sony doesn't care. Look at PS1 Mini using PAL versions and PS Classics. NSO N64 looks like red carpet treatment in comparison

>>10329908
>growing up with genesis must have been grim
I grew up with SNES and loved playing Sonic and Aladdin when I would visit my mates.

>>10328703
Thanks to mods, Smash, Mario 64 and Zelda alone have more replay value than everything on the PS1

>>10329914
These are called JRPGs because they are .jpg games

>>10329975
mods are cool but why would i want to play the same game over and over again?

>>10329981
N64tards have only a handful games to play. Mods are made out of necessity

>>10329975
>Smash, Mario 64 and Zelda alone have more replay value
Only if you're really into bing bing wahoo. Who the fuck would play Smash 64 over Tekken 3? It ain't no Melee.

>>10329895
>>10329908
You're thinking of Saturn, not Genesis. Genesis had almost as many games as SNES, Saturn only got 258 games in North America.

This is a funny thread to read honestly. I like both consoles for different reasons

>>10328703
I know from my friends and me we have all had a n64. I asked my parents why and they told me it was a kids console. The ps 1 was more of a "grown up" consoles at least that's what i was told back then

>>10330001
i think they were referring to the quality of mega drive games vs snes. they might be similar sized libraries but the quality of the games themselves differ. don't think the difference is as drastic as those anons think though.
being a western saturn owner sounds like hell, all the cool games only being released across an ocean in a language you don't understand.

>>10328703
Naaaah that's not true, you can't compete with the PS1 library, FF7 alone is more discussed than 90% of N64 library.

>>10330032
I didn't even play FF7 and have no desire to but I prefer PS1 library over N64 leftovers.

>>10328703
N64 focused on multiplayer. PS1 was all about primitive 3D single-player action games and those games from that era have aged like milk.

>>10328703
PS1 focused on fast arcade gameplay. N64 was all about primitive slow 3D platformer games and those games from that era have aged like milk.

>>10330065
>N64 focused on multiplayer.
Did it? I don't think there was a single game made purely for multiplayer like Quake Arena or xbox PSO.

>>10330082
According to some people that game was Mario Party, though I still enjoyed playing it alone

>>10330082
The most competitive multiplayer console genre of the 5th gen, fighting games, was barely present on N64 either. Console shooters didn't become competitive until Xbox live. I think he meant "party games" which I'd agree with.

>>10330082
It had Madden, FIFA, NBA Jam, etc. This is also when they started with the endless Mario sports and party games which eventually eclipsed the actual platformers, somehow

>>10329981
>>10329985
>why would i want to play the same game over and over again?
Some of these games have yet to be topped to this day.

the reality is that people people dont play very many games and form their entire perspective off about 5-10.

>>10328740
Was Mario 64 a pack-in game? Does a pack-in game count as a sale?

>>10328703
Because it's better with the more timeless games

Gameplay-wise at least

>>10328703
Not true. There is far less N64 discussion here and most thrrads are just console warring unless it's OoT. N64 games just didn't age so well in general compared to PS1 titles.

Best console games of the 5th gen by genre
>platformer
Mario 64
>rpg
OoT
>action adventure
Banjo
>FPS
Perfect Dark
>racer
Fzero-X
>kart racer
Mario Kart 64
>3rd person shooter
jet force gemini
>survival horror
RE2 64
>fighting
MK Trilogy
>party game
Mario Party
>shmup
Star Fox 64
>sports
ISSS 64
Not mentioned, Smash Bros, Doom 64, Turok, wrestling games and probably more.
Basedstation incels will really pretend their mountain of wobbly looking pixelated shovelware is better.
Playstation was always a poverty console because of how rasy it was to pirate its shit games, thats the only reason it was popular. Imagine thinking poor people have any taste to.judge whats good or not, lmao.

>>10330198
... You know N64 has actual shmups, not just Star Fox

>ps 1 library

>list of shovelware
Do nontrannies really?

these are the only n64 games worth playing.
>mario 64
>ogre battle 64
>fzero x
>shiren 2
>sin and punishment

>>10330198
>>rpg
>OoT
>>racer
>Fzero-X
>>survival horror
>RE2 64
>>fighting
>MK Trilogy
>>shmup
>Star Fox 64
I refuse to believe this nigga is for real. Probably shitposting or falseflagging.

All this text yet nobody said nintendo because retro = nintendo

>>10330238
>I refuse to believe this nigga is for real. Probably shitposting or falseflagging.
Theres a few nuggets of truth in his post like best 5th gen kart racer and the wrestling games but everything else has to be a joke.

>>10330235
Mischief Makers, Rakuga Kids, Custom Robo, Bangai-O, Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth... It also got a Robopon game, Panel de Pon, and a Taisen Puzzle-dama game.

>>10330256
Oh cool a list of hidden gems
>One google search
Oh...Could you imagine inviting the boys over and firing up this weeb shit over WCW vs NWO Revenge?

>>10330260
Rofl

>>10330260
Good thing we're not pre-teens anymore, right?

>>10330238
Your reply would be more honest if you simply listed Playstation games that you think are better.

>>10330260
Well... There is 64 Oozumou...

>>10330272
>replying to obvious shitpost

>mfw N64 still makes spergs seethe, almost 3 decades later
based rokujyuuyon

>>10330198
>platformer
actually yeah, probably Mario 64
>RPG
FF7 (PS1) or Grandia (Saturn)
>action adventure
vague to the point of uselessness
>FPS
Doom (on everything to varying degrees of playability) or at least pick the actually good N64 fps: Goldeneye
>Racer
Gran Tourismo (PS1) or Ridge Racer Type 4 (PS1)
>kart racer
yeah, Mario Kart 64 fits for this oddly specific genre. i liked Diddy Kong Racing a bit more though
>3rd person shooter
don't really play those much, maybe Syphon Filter (PS1)
>survival horror
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
Virtua Fighter 2 (Saturn) or Street Fighter Alpha 2 (PS1/Saturn) etc, so many good fighting games and none of them made it to the N64. at least choose the actually good N64 fighter: Super Smash Bros
>party game
as much as i want to put Saturn Bomberman here, yeah Mario Party fits better
>shmup
Batsugun (Saturn)
>sports
Steep Slope Sliders (Saturn)

sorry for the amount of Saturn on this list, its the 5th gen console who's library i'm most familiar with.
the N64 excels at a few very specific genres and flops at others. trying to claim otherwise is a cope.
>Imagine thinking poor people have any taste
the rich notoriously have awful taste.
i trust a pirate's opinion on games more because if they don't like it, they can move on to the next one. they don't have to make up weird copes to deal with the fact they spent 60$ on a mediocre game.

>>10330348
>good N64 fighter: Super Smash Bros
lmao what

>>10330076
>PS1 focused on fast arcade gameplay.

This is the opposite of reality.

>>10330353
better than mortal kombat at least

>>10330348
1080 snowboarding is better than steep slope sliders. Best Saturn sport game is DecAthlete

>>10330348
>Virtua Fighter 2 (Saturn) or Street Fighter Alpha 2 (PS1/Saturn)
Mad respect fot Alpha 2 but you seem to buy into 'VF2 = le goat' meme. It was the greatest but only for a short time when it was new. It really is SF2 World Warrior of 3D fighters rather than Super Turbo equivalent. VF as a series became truly deep (but somewhat broken) with VF3 and then both deep and balanced with VF4. VF4 is the real goat. VF2 was good against Tekken 1-2 and maybe even DoA1 but it was outclassed both by VF3 and Tekken 3 which added a ton of depth and strategy to the genre. I'm still sad that picrel wasn't made.

>>10330417
>It really is SF2 World Warrior of 3D fighters rather than Super Turbo equivalent.
I don't care if Super Turbo is your favourite version I still really like World Warrior.

>>10330426
That's fair

>>10330198
>platformer Mario 64
Crash Bandicoot or Spyro or Rayman would also be good answers, but Mario 64 is certainly one of the big ones.
>rpg OOT
Not an RPG, N64 severely lacks rpgs, tactical games, action rpgs...
>action adventure Banjo
Collectathon. I would personally choose Alundra. Except for Zelda, N64 is barren in terms of adventures. Or narrative games. Or graphical adventures.
>FPS Perfect Dark
Moves like a Power Point presentation. I prefer the ports of Doom or Doom 64, even if they play like old games. It's clear that N64 had the more popular fps for console, with Medal of Honor being the only important one exclusive for the PSX, they just never personally appealed to me.
>racer Fzero-X
Ugly and barren. Prefer RR4 or Wave Race 64. If you're looking for realistic car games, N64 is not an option.
>Kart Racer Mario Kart 64
As a one player game is a mess. Very fun as a multi player and a good answer, but Crash Team Racing would also be a good choice.
>3rd person shooter jet force gemini
Metal Gear Solid is much better.
>Survival Horror RE2 64
The only one it got and it wasn't even an exclusive or better than the PSX version. If you like survival horrors, N64 wasn't an option.
>fighting MK Trilogy
Look for the most popular fighting games for the PSX, pick a random one, and you already have a better choice.
>party game Mario Party
Maybe. Don't know, I don't care about them. If I gave the genre a chance I would pick a game that doesn't feature Mario characters, not because I dislike them, but because I'm tired of them. But that's a personal choice.
>shmup Star Fox 64
If you're interested in the 3d ones it's certainly a good choice, although Ace Combat or Panzer Dragoon Zwei would also be good options. If you're looking for 2d shmups, that play vastly different, N64 is not an option.
>sports ISSS 64
Pes is better.

Friendly reminder that even the Sega Saturn outsold the N64 in Japan.
This proves that only slop eaters (aka americans) can “digest” this grotesque console called N64.

>>10330348
I will say this. No way anyone would choose Steep Slope Sliders over Tony Hawk lol

>>10330514
Yeah but N64 have more million seller games in Japan than Saturn.
I like both consoles, anyway.

N64 now looks like comfy retro
PS1 just looks like shit

>>10328703
99% of that is Americans, literally the only region the 64 did well in, and even then it was still 2nd place. So American success + underdog 2nd place status + Nintendo cultism = people dick riding something until the end of time.
>>10329162
Pretty much this.

>>10330545
nigga... PS1 version of Populous is comfy af.

>>10330551
>Nintendo cultism
you keep saying this, as if other companies didn't have cultism too.
Sega cultism is a thing even nowadays, even if it's not as big as in the 90s, and Sony cultism is also a thing (Sony fans even got voted as worst fanbase on /v/ multiple times due to their incessant shitposting against everyone, not just Nintendo).
Here on /vr/, Sony fans also lash out against the Saturn.
I do agree that brand fanboys are annoying though, in general, but so are the anti-brand people. Like how some of you think that you can't like Nintendo or else it means you ONLY like Nintendo and nothing else. You are as annoying as the nintendo fanboys.
I grew up an idort, sega-nintendo during 4th gen (both home systems and handhelds) and sega-sony-nintendo on 5th gen. Call the cops.

>>10329763
>overrated JRPG shit
JRPGs are probably one of the best-aged genres since they really haven't innovated in 30 years, so it depends if you like menu simulators in the first place.
>>10329873
N64 had better shooters and to this day is probably the best 4 player couch gaming consoles. I don't disagree that the ps1 had way more variety though. Sticking with cartridges and scaring away third party devs like square and capcom really fucked over N64's library, even if the physical games will outlast PS1 discs.

>>10330671
>JRPGs are probably one of the best-aged genres since they really haven't innovated in 30 years, so it depends if you like menu simulators in the first place.

You're out of the loop. Haven't you seen all the zooming threads that complain about turned based combat and random encounters?

>>10328703
N64 had fewer games so N64 owners have a much larger overlap in terms of the games they played and owned, allowing for a richer feeling of nostalgia. Basically everyone with an N64 had Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, Goldeneye, Mario Kart etc

>>10330708
Why do people post n64 had a rich library but never say that about the 32x,

>>10329161
>Pretty sure I have seen this exact thread before either on here or /v/.
you must be new here.
/vr/ is by nature the exact same 20ish threads over and over and over again because the board is so limited on what we can talk about and the mods are incredibly autistic about it.
Sad thing is I really prefer /vr/'s opinion over /v/'s so I would love to ask around about non-/vr/ shit and get good takes.
but alas, we cannot

>>10328703
Youtube. American Nintendo fans have always been extremely active on the internet, funny because Nintendo's lack of interest in it, and things like Youtube which gave them a huge voice was quickly latched on to extol the greatness of Quest 64, Banjo Kazooty and Beetle 6 minute lap time. Without anyone to say "nah these other games did great things too" they let a narrative spread.

>>10328703
Nintendo 64's are rarer and that's gaining it more interest. It's games are more unique than PlayStation's. It's also made by Nintendo which is way bigger and more interesting in the gaming world than Sony is today.

N64 3D games might not look like much but they play better than almost anything on the PS1, the gameplay was really its strongest point, there's nothing like Star Fox 64 and Wave Race 64.

>>10330801
>there's nothing like Star Fox 64 and Wave Race 64.
There is

Maybe Sony is not as good as Sega or Nintendo

I just associate ps1 with lowclass mongoloids playing nothing but fifa while n64 was more exotic

>>10330708
>N64 owners have a much larger overlap in terms of the games they played
Sad truth. Massive library and variety really were a problem for us psx owners. There was so many games good games to try and play...
None of us played the same games. We just showed our progress and skills in our favorite single player games at the time and after that we started playing fighting, sports or racing games.
Such good days.

>>10329352
Not really, N64 was largely considered the boring, little kids console while it was current. It was later retconned into being the best ever by infantile Adventure Time fan softbois

>>10329386
>muh influence
Irrelevant argument in music, film, and gaming too. Something being the first of its kind doesn't make it the best.

N64 only had little kid mascot games, and not even good ones. The SNES was the last good Nintendo console period, because Gaycube was also horrible for the same reasons N64 was.

PC made your shitty consoles irrelevant

>>10330862
>The SNES was the last good Nintendo console
If someone says SM64 is their favorite platformer, you know they don't play enough games. Same applies to OOT and adventure games. These games have superiors from the 16 bit era that real gamers know are better. And let's not even start on the tards who think Smash is a fighting game that can go toe to toe with Street Fighter and the rest, it's not one at all.

>>10330870
Name a better 3D platformer

Sony is dying lol

>>10330868
Wrong generation, kid.

>>10330880
It's true
Doom alone mogged all ps1 games

>>10330879
I fucking hate sony. I don't want a PS5 at all anymore. There's zero reason to have one. I don't even want the Xbox Series X that I already have. It doesn't get used. This is the worst console generation ever.

>>10330868
PCs were barely functional for gaming until like 2001.

>>10330874
Any of them. Even c list games like Klonoa were more fun. And in any case, if platformers were your main thing in this generation of gaming, you're retarded. Platformers belonged to the 8 and 16 bit eras, they were passe at this time, and we saw in the next generation they desperately tried to keep them going and make them edgy, and the genre just died completely.

Let's all agree to ban Sony consoles on /vr/.
Nothing of value will be lost

>>10330894
I HECKIN LOVE MOVIE GAMES

>>10330893
Wrong, they just weren't playing the same games that consoles could till about the Xbox / PS2 generation.

>>10330902
I don't enjoy JRPGs but they have more depth than OOT. A child can play OOT, and OOT is entirely inferior to LTTP and LA. Back in the day of this era, my favorite genre was fighting games, and N64 had zero. N64 had zero games for most genres, which is why it's a shit console.

Smash is not a fighting game.

>>10328703
I'll give my own list of reasons, though may be replicating some of what's said before and I admit I haven't read all the previous posts.

1) Selling more units is hardly a mark of quality, as can be seen from what music, movies, etc. sell the most. Not taking anything away from the PS1, but the N64 has many games of exceptionally high quality. Nothing on ps1 can hold a candle to goldeneye or perfect dark, and these games are still a ton of fun to play today.

2) A main reason why the PS1 sold so much was due to reasons that are not relevant today: 1) PS1s breaking down and having to be replaced 2) people buying PS1 consoles just so they could pirate every game. which was trivial to do for most ps1 games during its generation, 3) the console itself and games cost significantly less than the N64 and its games.

3) The convenience factor of the PS1 games and piracy has in some senses now flipped - now it's the degrading ps1 discs that can be scratched over time that are inconvenient while the N64 carts can be popped in and out without a problem. Now for games you want to pirate you literally have an 8gb sd card in a flashcart that contain every n64 game you can think of, while with playstation it's a lot more cumbersome, you're dealling with possibly terrabytes of data just to play ps1 games, you can get smaller "ripped" ones but you have to consider then what you are missing.

4) There's more of a legacy and continuation with Nintendo IPs and fanbases. You have Final Fantasy and Tomb Raider and Crash and Spyro, but those franchises went downhill massively over the years while NIntendo's are always strong.

Frankly, N64 is just better.

>>10330954
>Nothing on ps1 can hold a candle to golde...
stopped reading right there

Revisionist Nintendo haters severely downplay how popular the N64 was, especially among hardcore gamers. People who bought a Playstation to play Sports and Tony Hawk just aren't going to be passionate about it 30 year later.

>>10331028
What about people who bought PS1 to play Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Tekken, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy?

>>10331035
A lot of those games do have vocal followings today. I'm just clarifying that the N64 wasn't some sort of Saturn level flop.

>>10330894
Klonoa is a very average game. Mario 64 is significantly better than it. Link to the Past is one of the weaker old Zelda titles.

>>10331040
The Saturn didn't flop in Japan. The Nintendo 64 did. The Japanese don't give a shit about the N64. Which is sad. There's like maybe 4 Japan exclusive N64 games.

>>10331040
That's true, but Tony Hawk is not even in top 20 of best selling PS1 games.

>>10331056
>There's like maybe 4 Japan exclusive N64 games.
You know fuck-all about the N64

>>10331028
The Saturn and Playstation came out a year before N64. It was only Nintendo fans who bought into the Ultra64 bullshots who waited. Tony Hawk was also released towards the end of 5th gen. Unless you were super poor or too young, that wasn't a reason to buy a console. You already had one at that point.

>>10331056
>The Saturn didn't flop in Japan. The Nintendo 64 did.
Saturn sold 6 mil consoles in Japan, N64 sold 5.54 mil. Looks pretty much even.

>>10331064
>You know fuck-all about the N64
LMFAO
Prove me wrong then.

>>10331068
>You already had one at that point.
Well, yeah, the SNES, which was peaking in 1994-1995...

>>10331079
Just go to the Wikipedia list and sort by NA release date. There are almost 100 JP exclusive games.

>>10331084
Japan didn't even get half the games released for the N64 as the United States did. Maybe at least look at your source first before you post some obvious BullShit.

>>10331058
Who gives a fuck about Tony Hawk

You're being disingenuous and lying through your teeth, trying to act like all PSX had was normie/casual games like Tony Hawk. When really, all the "real gamer" games were also on the PSX. N64 only had kiddy shit and party games.

It's true to this day as well, people who are into fighters, rpgs, action games, etc are still more the "hardcore gamer" crowd than people who just play the yearly Mario and Zelda and nothing else.

>>10331092
Not what you said.

>>10331093
The funny thing with the JRPG hate ITT, is that what is the go-to argument for the superiority of the SNES? The fact that it had all the JRPGs lol. I don't doubt some people ITT are such deluded N64 fanboys/zoomers that they don't even recognize the superiority of the SNES to the N64, but I'm sure some are just lying tendies who do regurgitate the SNES is best because of JRPGs argument, while also switching tactics when it comes to arguing in favor of the N64 vs. Playstation. Fact of the matter is, a lot of what made SNES good moved onto the Playstation. As stated, the N64 just lacked genre variety to a ridiculous degree and obviously lacked third party support, and a great console that does not make. N64 is essentially a niche console for Nintendo fanboys in love with their IPs, not a console that is going to please the more broad and experienced gamer.

>>10331093
No I'm not, you over reacting tard. I'm saying that the reason the PSX was massively successful - its appeal to new markets that never played video games before, means that a lot of the people who purchased one and played it aren't going to give a shit 30 years later.

>>10328703
Gee, it's like N64 games have aged better than PS1 games

>>10330954
If you had and N64 and wanted to play fighting games, jrpgs, tactical games, action rpgs, 2d action games, shooteumps, cinematic games, beateumps, car games, rythm games, strategy games, infiltration games, light gun shooter games, survival horrors... you were fucked.
If you had a Nes, or a Mega Drive, or a Snes, and hoped to keep buying all the series that you loved from multiple companies for your N64 instead of being often forced to buy nothing but games from two or three companies, that will often don't even particularly appeal to you, but you will still buy them anyway because there's nothing more available... you're fucked.
If you have an N64 and want a varied library in order to be frequently surprised by new innovative aesthetics, new characters, new musical styles, new ways of understanding video games... instead of dealing with the homogenized and repetitive library of the N64, you're fucked.
If you have an N64 and want games that will make you laugh, that will make you feel fear, that will make you feel alone, that will make you feel the protagonist of a big epic adventure... instead of having nothing but ultra safe games aimed at normies about secret agents and jumping plush toys... you're fucked. And thank God at the very least we had Konami and Treasure making games with wackiness or horror elements instead of always looking for the broadest appeal, but it wasn't enough.

>>10330076
>PS1 focused on fast arcade gameplay
That's Saturn, you fucking zoomer. The only arcade games PS1 focused at were the Namco ones.

>>10331117
>I'm saying that the reason the PSX was massively successful - its appeal to new markets that never played video games before
That's not the reason. The reason was that it was fairly cheap. Also, it had a lot of franchises people already into gaming were wanting to keep playing such as Final Fantasy, Mega Man, Castlevania, Street Fighter, etc.

All the big games from the last gen ended up on PSX and not on N64, all N64 had was the Nintendo IPs that believe it or not, many people didn't care as much about Mario and Zelda more than those other series even back on SNES.

>>10328703
1. /vr/ is a North American populated place, and this just so happens to be the only major region where PS1 didn't win by a landslide, just by this comfortable advantage instead.
2. /vr/ has always been more of a Nintendo fans' board than anything else, sure we have SEGA or Sony fans too, but most people here grew up in households that had a Nintendo.
3. /vr/ is obviously browsed by people that have retro video games as a major hobby, while Sony always had a more general consumer base, and that's still true today with PS5.

>>10331153
People who had gaming as a major hobby chose the PSX, which had all the hardcore gamer titles. Not the N64, which didn't have anything of the sort other than Goldeneye.

Even Smash didn't become a "serious" gamer thing until Melee, in the N64 days it wasn't taken seriously.

>>10331182
PS1 was normalfag tier and ruined gaming

>>10331182
Hardcore gamers where idorts, they owned multiple consoles

>>10331183
If you prefer Mario, Zelda, and Smash to Mega Man, Castlevania, and Street Fighter.....you are the normalfag quite frankly.

Normalfags aren't just dudebros, there are also the redditor type normalfags who love infantile shit. Mario is every bit as normalfag as Call of Duty, it's just the opposite side of the coin, it's not dudebros but soibois.

This is why people make fun of Sony fans

based ultra 64

this is Auster's new angle. I guess he finally had enough of Floigan and Croc.

>>10331262
I feel bad for him. Imagine living your life wanting to make a company from Japan to become unpopular with video game fans, only for it to be an impossible goal to achieve.

>>10331207
there are no gamers who prefer mario and zelda to mega man and castlevania, those are called "fake geeks"

>>10330198
>light gun games

>JRPG

>2D fighter

>3D fighter

>fishing bass games

>rything games

>rally games

>f1 games

>arcade racing games

>sim racing games

>football games

>third person adventure games

SNES was the last time real gamers cared about a Nintendo console. Since then, it's only brand loyalists who make Nintendo their personality and Pokemon fans.

It's time to take your meds

>>10331447
Off the top of my head:
>JRPG
Paper Mario
>2D Fighter
KI Gold
>fishing bass games
Bass Hunter 64
>rally games
Top Gear Rally
>arcade racing games
Rush
>football games
NFL Blitz
>third person adventure games
Shadowman

Pretty sure the genres I didn't respond to have some selections too, but I can't remember their names.

>>10331470
Nobody who's really into JRPGs is playing Paper Mario over Final Fantasy and the rest of the real ones. And nobody who's really into fighting games is choosing a console just because of Mortal Kombat or KI, when PSX also had Mortal Kombat......but also had Street Fighter, Marvel fighters and the Vs. series, Tekken, a couple SNK titles, and many more. It's just not even a competition.

>>10331478
Okay? The PS1 has nothing to do with my post. I'm just saying that the N64 had options in the genres you listed. Also, Paper Mario is top tier.

Only 3rd worlders like the ps1

>>10331478
Actually, I see now that you were responding to a N64 console warrior originally. That's a valid point that the PS1 has a more complete library and is better for fighting games and RPGs.

N64 is a childrens toy. You could be a nerd who was into shit like X-Men and horror films, or you could be a nerd who was uncool by even nerd standards......aka someone big into fucking Mario lmao. Being an older kid into Mario was like being an older kid into Pokemon or Care Bears.

>>10328703
Cartridges.

Cartridges were passed down through the years to small children who would not be trusted with CDs.

>>10330417
i tried VF3 but couldn't quite figure out when to evade. after a couple 100 yen i went back to the VF2 cab. I'll give VF4 a shot though.
neither of those got 5th gen ports though.
>>10330521
yeah, i think my brain broke for that bit. tony hawk is much better. maybe it was Saturn cope happening in real time.

>>10331509
I don't understand why people go on about this. You're presumably a grown adult, not an older kid. It doesn't matter how "edgy" or "mature" the console you own is. No one cares anymore. In fact, no one even knows what consoles you own unless you make a big deal of it. Are you still scared about getting bullied or something?

>>10329161
Castlevania is not a remotely representative PS1 game, and as it happens Gran Turismo and FFVII are pretty fucking relevant. But Gran Turismo players do not even remotely occupy the same social spaces as bing wahoo enthusiasts, so to this day you'd think GT7 sold about 50,000 copies based on how much attention it gets on /v/ while the actual number is several million.

Anyone arguing about le timeless classics is actually really coming at it backwards. The N64 is memorable because it's so fucking unavoidably mid to late 90s, with a retarded controller nobody would ever copy, almost every game relying on Gouraud shaded 3D graphics, specifically 4 player multiplayer instead of 2 or the much larger number possible with LAN and internet later, etc.. PS1 games overlap with other generations and other consoles heavily between 2D scrollers and RPGs that could have been on the SNES, weird CD FMV shit like previous gen add-ons, the boomer shooter kind of early PC 3D that heavily relies on sprites, and cinematic games that could be on the PS2 but for messy textures and wobbly polygons, but the N64 almost exclusively specializes in "low def" polygonal full 3D that is tightly associated with 1996-1999. When someone tells you to imagine a PS1 game there's a range of answers, if you say "looks like an N64 game" everyone knows exactly what the fuck that means.

>>10331519
It's just a fact of the matter. 00s babies will never understand, but only people who actually lived through the 90s have valid opinions about this.

In the edgelord era, childish innocent things were not cool. It became cool later with the rise of soiboi culture, but in the late 90s? Nintendo wasn't seen as cool anymore, culture had shifted and people wanted more mature and gritty games.

>Tranny janny protecting the thread
Sage

cutesy aesthetics were a mid to late 90s thing but the late 80s-early 90s favored more gritty styles. the 00s saw that come back.

Like half its library is timeless classics

The system was cheap used during the 6th and 7th gen so it was a popular pick for poorfags and broke college kids who couldn't afford a PS2 Xbox 360. No matter what games were coming out, someone, somewhere nearby was probably still talking about Mario Kart 64 or Zelda, you couldn't escape N64 discussion.

The Wii Virtual Console refreshed everyone's memory of the N64, as well as introducing its timeless classics to younger kids who never had one.

>>10330793
This is the answer to the thread.

>>10331513
I'm genuinely really glad that at least one of the major consoles from the 5th generation went w/ cartridges over CDs, N64s ROM sizes are WAAAY smaller than Saturn and PS1, this helps me out a bit whenever I want to play a multiplatform title from that era, that came out on N64, there were fewer than I would've liked, sadly, but when they made an N64 version, I often download that ROM over the PS1 or Saturn one, it just takes up pretty much no space on my HDD, which is quite useful.

>Protecting low quality console war threads
This board is doomed.

>>10331529
it's like a Mega Drive. you also probably have an image of those games in your head (ie. edgy side scroller or beat em up with fart can music).

n64 is still the GOAT multiplayer console, but it's slim pickings if you're a single player gamer

if you're playing on hardware it's also way more reliable. PS1s you have to replace lasers or use PSIO and earlier revisions of the hardware were flaky. N64s are extremely dependable and rarely have malfunctions.

>Threadsitting

>>10331549
Cute wasn't cool in the late 90s. This was the era of Marilyn Manson and the Attitude era.

Why do you think they tried to make everything so edgy in ads to trick people? Spyro ads would have you believe it was a really edgy game, they had no confidence in cute stuff cause they knew it was out of fashion.

Such high quality threads.
>>10331174
>>10329409
>>10330737
>>10330651
>>10330498
>>10330252
>>10329758

>>10331541
No doubt, but that was almost 30 years ago. It shouldn't be a consideration anymore when evaluating the quality of the N64 nowadays.

>Must...protect...the thread...!

>>10328703
>Why is it the N64 seems to be much more popular today than the PS1 despite the fact that the PS1 sold far more units?
Nintenfags.

>>10331629
It doesn't matter, this thread was made just to be a console war thread and that's all it is. There is no objectivity from N64 fans, so why not throw cheap shots as well? You'll never find an N64 fanboy admit CTR was a better game than Mario Kart even though it is, these threads aren't about objectivity or real discussion, they're about pitting personal nostalgias against one another.

>>10330793
>Croc is as good as Banjo
Retard.
>but they sold the same and there is no such thing as quality
It's amazing how many times your retarded ass has posted your own twitter screencap under the assumption that quality is directly related to sales and not an independent thing in of itself.
By your retarded logic Guitar Hero games are not talked about highly these days only because people haven't been convinced to remember them fondly. No one gives a shit about those games nowadays and there is nothing to talk about with them, there is no story or interesting thing to talk about, which is what youtubers do, try to tell an entertaining story.
Not all games are created equal and not all stories are interesting, you would know this if you weren't a retarded autismo.

>>10331753
Nobody told you to reply to the voices inside your head.

>>10329903
Nobody can answer this?

>>10331753
I don't know what weirdo tendie circles you run in, but more people these days talk about Guitar Hero than Banjo lol. those games were some of the most widespread normie games of their time while nobody other than the N64 nostalgia demographic cares about Banjo or even knows what it is. Banjo is not an icon like Sonic, Mario, or even Crash's level.

>>10331753
kek, you are making me wet how much you destroyed that guy.

PSX is like The Dark Knight, loved by people who know what they're talking about and hated on only by special (ed) snowflakes. N64 is like Iron Man, mediocre but propped up as an all time great only because of the brand it's attached to.

>>10331753
Autistic screeching in text form, right here.
Still 3 million copies, gayboy.

>>10330793
I think it's a good point. Tendies praise Nintendo games and nothing but Nintendo games, and they also speak about nothing but Nintendo.
I'm glad to see these days people who aren't shy about praising games that tendies despised because they dared compete against theirs.

>>10331753
>retarded ass retard youtuber retard autismo
It must be tiring constantly defending average Nintendo games.

>>10328703
>Why is it the N64 seems to be much more popular today than the PS1 despite the fact that the PS1 sold far more units?

My theory is that for that console generation, the N64 users were younger, on average, so their memories/nostalgia tend to be stronger.

>responding multiple times to the same post to fake consensus

>>10330664
Don't care and didn't ask for your analysis on brand loyalty (which is retarded), but Nintendo fans have their own pejoratives (Nintoddlers, Nintendrones, etc.) for a reason.
>I grew up an idort, sega-nintendo during 4th gen (both home systems and handhelds) and sega-sony-nintendo on 5th gen.
Wonderful, if only everyone was a rich boss hog nigger like you.

No wonder everyone hates snoyfags

Have you ever seen a tendie do anything but try to blame everything on supposed Sega or Playstation fans

Auster troon thread

>>10329184
>Neighbors mom
God I need to sex a hot milf rn

Genesis and PS1 kids grew up to be chads that make high six figures with trophy wives. Nintendo is a death cult full of sweaty 40 year old year old neckbeards that are terminally online.

Genesis and PS1 kids grew up to be chads that make high six figures with trophy wives. Nintendo is a death cult full of sweaty 40 year old neckbeards that are terminally online.

>>10332037
Nope.

>>10329873
>N64 has way less threads and they are always about Mario 64, OoT, MM and Banjo
this true. this is all niggas on here talk about. It's rarely talking about game. It's just saying that they're the best games ever or why they're not.

>>10329407
>he search for the perfect analog stick is over
wut? I hate playing n64 games with no fuckins sensibility, tell me more

Imagine If the controller has all the pressure levels

This thread is proof that the anti nintendo/n64 is a janny.
Imagine doing this for free, sad.

>>10329518
Robotron 64 iirc

You will find that NES and SNES fans are much more similar to the average gamer, and many of their favorite games were not Nintendo games, but also Capcom, Konami, Square, etc etc.

N64 is where you truly get the "tendie", and part of why they are so incredibly defensive is quite possibly due to being insecure about having almost nothing but Nintendo IPs. Mario and Zelda have to be their "god" because there isn't much else.

>still samefagging

>>10330198
>mp1
not true but at least you didnt say 3

>>10332057
why is this so true

>>10329202
>Mario 64 was clearly inspired by Jumping Flash
Which retarded youtube faggot fed you this shit opinion?

>>10328703
Literally multiple GOAT-tier games because of gameplay and game design and not because of writing and twists or some shit. And all the ports of these games suck

>>10332387
You image sums up oot perfectly. A giant empty field.

>>10329152
Stop projecting with that mindset anon.....
Also go play games

>>10328703
I think the reason everyone is forgetting is:
Availability.

What is available.
The PS1 was way way more popular here in Europe, especially because of Fifa Bros but people also loved Resident Evil and MGS. But then the ps2 came and people moved on.

Meanwhile Nintendo is STILL PUSHING N64 games to this very day. That's why there is awareness for it.
Here BUY this Mario bundle for the switch with 3 roms on it, one being Mario 64.
Here but our online subscription and you'll get N64 roms.

So n64 is around and people can enjoy those games AGAIN and new generations can play those games too.

While Sony doesn't push their old ps1 games. How can you play them? Use an emulator and pirate roms. That already makes the head of any normie explode and they simply won't do it because that means like 5 seconds researching something and roms are evil piracy and so on. Customers always take the easiest way for them.

Long story short: Nintendo pushes n64 even today. Sony couldn't care less about ps1.

>>10332097
NES maybe. SNES?
>Mario
>Zelda
>Donkey Kong
>Metroid
It's always these games and nothing else. If we are talking when Nintendo and her fans became insular, it's clearly the SNES.

>>10330862
Mario 64 got glowing reviews from critics and gamers. Whatever public opinion of the N64 as a whole is, you objectively have unusual taste if you don't like it.

>>10333000
Everyone in Japan returned Mario 64 one week after beating it.

>>10328725
>>10328703
yeah this is the exact reason, you see this exact same phenomenon with other poorly-selling consoles like the Dreamcast, Gamecube, and Xbox.

If you had an N64 you probably had Mario Zelda
If you had a Dreamcast you probably had Sonic Adventure
if you had a Gamecube you probably had Melee
if you had an Xbox you definitely had Halo

>>10330862
retarded /v/ tier post, Gaycube? What are we, 7 years old?

>>10333021
And you're 27 defending the gaycube.

>>10333014
All those poor selling console games are better than PS2s god of wars and devil may crys.

>>10329260
Even then they simply just have not aged well. I mean just look at final fantasy 7 it's got to be one of the worst looking retro games out there. All of those square soft PS1 games are some of the most abysmal looking lame games.

This is not the case for N64. It does not matter how small the library is people play the top N64 games on the same level as MMOs. It's astonishing what the N64 pulled off and the PlayStation 1 is just not even remotely in the same category.

I think it's one of the most cut and dry arguments in the gaming community.

>>10333024
the fact that you think 27 is old means you're too young for this board. go back.

>>10333042
NTA but 27 is more than a decade too old to be playing Mario.

>>10333026
I wish I could say ff7 is a better game than oot but it's a fucking jrpg. Were it not for that fact than it'd be light years ahead of ocarina.

Play Resident Evil 2 on psx and then n64 then get back to us on what console is worth a damn.

>>10333042
Go back where? Gaycube had nothing worth playing but smash. Sunshine sucked. Fludd sucked. It had no racers that compared to Outrun 2006. Gaycube was the weakest out of all the other consoles also.

Sage

It's posts like >10329152 that make me wonder why the tranny janny was banning that one anon for speaking out against the thread quality. I'm starting to think the Mods really do protect console/flamewar threads because they're little shit stirrers themselves.

>>10333185
I keep telling you people: They want a resurgence of old /v/ before it became cancer and they're using /vr/ as their template. Once the idea of 7th gen being retro enters their retarded minds it's all over for this board.

>>10332994
I was kid back then. Maybe things were a little different in America, but most popular SNES games back then were Mario and Street Fighter 2. SF2 was huge, it was far more popular, iconic and beloved among kids than Zelda or Metroid. When kids weren't sending drawings of Sonic or Mario, it was Street Fighter 2. Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest also had better global sales than Zelda or Metroid, and were once again hugely popular games, even if it was mainly in Japan. Mortal Kombat 2 was huge, especially in America. To a lesser degree, Chrono Trigger was also big and in Europe had that aura of legendary missing game. Mega Man X or Super Castlevania IV were hugely beloved and made big numbers by the standards of the time. Super Ghouls’n Ghosts also sold more than one million. We have no reason to believe that licensed games from Disney, TMNT or Dragon Ball didn't sell well either. DKC came later and it was certainly huge, but by the time the novelty of the graphics died, they were acknowledged as conventional platformers. Very good ones, yeah, but no one was clamoring for DKC for the N64, it wouldn't be that different from Mario 64.
So yeah, Nintendo was always big, but they weren't alone. Because of the heavy competition coming from Mega Drive and Sonic’s popularity, it’s possible that some users were already giving special treatment to first party games. Sonyers started doing the same after PS3, when their console was facing very strong competition for the first time. I hate this kind of hypocrisy, but it’s not surprising. But the tendies from today, who are brutal and hateful of other companies, didn’t exist in the same way they exist today.

>>10333229
>>10332994
Continuation:
As a big company and owners of the console, Nintendo could heavily promote their games through press and media... but except for Mario, SNES users weren't SO ridiculously defensive of Nintendo. I remember a friend telling me he wished he had bought Secret of Mana instead of DKC or another one who disliked Zelda because he preferred action games and platformers. You cannot expect this honesty from tendies these days.
This revisionist narrative must come from three places:
>Tendies who started with N64 and never gave a fair chance to games from other companies when they got into retro.
>Tendies who had NES or SNES but will only recommend Nintendo games because of console wars, even if they secretly liked Illusion of Time more than Zelda ALTTP or were bored by Super Metroid.
>Journalists that will give special treatment to Nintendo game to avoid being lynched, out of ignorance about its library or because of being tendies themselves.
We could also make a distinction between tendies and people that actually love video games and bought a SNES or a NES just because it had multiple cool games from multiple genres and companies. A lot of them moved from SNES to PSX, considered by some as the actual successor of SNES.

>TENDIES TENDIES TENDIES
Go back to /v/ with this horseshit buzzword.

>>10332994
>NES maybe. SNES?
>>Mario
>>Zelda
>>Donkey Kong
>>Metroid
>It's always these games and nothing else

I think you'll find there are quite some other beloved games from the SNES, some that have about 20 threads on this board every damn day, such as MMX, Street Fighter, Castlevania, Contra, and Final Fantasy.
>>10333235
>don't make fun of us even when we're proving you right!

>>10333014
PS1 had many popular games played by everyone though, MGS, Gran turismo, Final fantasy, Resident Evil, Tekken, Tony Hawk, Spyro etc
>>10333025
cope

>>10333383
see >>10333383
Sage

based 64

>>10333235
Agreed, this board gets hard to participate in when it's just retards throwing around the phrase of the week at each other.

>>10333606
but at least we got to discuss 6th gen on /vr/! worth it!.... right?

>>10333608
Like I said: It's just the Mods' way of inching ever so closer into transforming /vr/ into old /v/ before it became cancer. How that'll play out I'm not entirely sure on. Probably how it already is:
>Very few threads with broad/niche topics/vidya that only appeals to autists
>Drowned out by low quality/easily accessible topics/vidya anyone and their mother can join
This board is doomed.

Hmm. Wonder why the posts blaming "tendies" for things weren't deleted. Breach of power from a console-waring warrior?

Archives exist. You can't cover this up.

Hope whatever hardships in life are brought onto you get worse, /vr/annie.

>>10329763
This. PS1 is for the weebs.

>>10328703
It was shocking to me when I learned the PS1 sold so much. I grew up with the N64 and assumed everyone else did, especially since the 00s and early 10s were filled with Nintendo content

>>10333606
We could just say the longer sentence, Nintendo games are childish and infantile. It has the same exact connotation as saying "tendie", would it offend you less?

>>10330076
>PS1 focused on fast arcade gameplay
Anon, there's a reason most people think of JRPGs when they look back on the PS1.
N64 was the most capable platform of the gen for 3D action games.

>>10334378
>N64 was the most capable platform of the gen for 3D action games.
And yet it had none of the good fighting games of the decade.

>>10334378
>N64 was the most capable platform of the gen for 3D action games.
N64 games had worse framerate usually. Not good for fast paced games. Also none of the notable shmups or fighting games were on the platform.

>>10330348
Doom on PSX is a neat port, but it's not anywhere close to Perfect Dark, and Perfect Dark pretty easily beats out Goldeneye by improving on basically everything in that game.

>>10334440
>and Perfect Dark pretty easily beats out Goldeneye by improving on basically everything in that game.

>>10334440
Perfect Dark beats Goldeneye at being a framerate hog. Also being sandwiched between Half-Life and Halo releases didn't help.

because it had starfox 64 and the early internet memed it

>>10328703
i don't know but be glad it's like that because somewhere out there some goodwill is still selling a ps1 for 5 bucks

>>10334463
I swear that's a pasta, or there's an retard who repeatedly writes that, actually thinking it sounds plausible

>>10328703
Because most (not all) 3D PS1 games actually objectively age like shit. Largely because of the controls and lack of control stick but also because the PS1 can hardly even do real 3D, that's why almost no game has a decent camera AI and you have shit like Breath of Fire 4 villages that are pure torture to navigate with the camera

Zelda OoT or MM are COMPLETELY unthinkable on PS1. Not even remotely possible

>>10336467
Because that was worth the bump.

What's the go-to n64 emulator today? Does it support navigating the interface (changing roms etc) with a gamepad?

>>10336467
PSX could have moved Zelda OOT or MM just fine. They would probably be forced to change some things, but it's not as if you wouldn't be forced to change things if you tried to adapt games from PSX to N64, because of PSX having its own strengths.
N64 also had a very serious problem with framerate in general, with a lot of their games moving like slideshows, including the ones you mentioned. PSX games have generally aged better because of having better framerate and also having more 2d games, more games with painted backgrounds or prerendered graphics and just more styles in general. And in a lot of genres, you aren't just going to find anything worthwhile for the Nintendo 64.
Breath of Fire 4 towns are a little hard to navigate because the game always uses and isometric perspective. But in Xenogears, for example, you can freely rotate the camera.
And the narrative also comes from tendies being a cult and talking about nothing but nintendo and constantly trying to impose their ideas to other people. And even then, after years of constant propaganda, I don't really have the impression that non-tendies are really that interested in N64s library except for Mario, Zelda and maybe Golden Eye.

>>10337721
>PSX could have moved Zelda OOT or MM just fine
Because of big open areas the ground textures would be all warped up unless the polygons are subdivided which is more taxing on the poly budget. The textures are very simple on N64 though, the best solution would probably be using untextured goraud shaded ground and fade in some details near the player model.
>I don't really have the impression that non-tendies are really that interested in N64s library except for Mario, Zelda and maybe Golden Eye.
As a non-tendie I would also add some other stuff like Fighter's Destiny, Mario Kart, Golf, Tennis, Treasure games, WCW/nWo Revenge, Virtual Pro Wrestling 2, Ogre Battle 64 and maybe Castlevania LoD. Not much but at least not 3do or Jaguar level of bad.

>>10337785
>Because of big open areas the ground textures would be all warped up unless the polygons are subdivided which is more taxing on the poly budget
PS1 (not X) is more powerful than the N64 so more polygons is no problem. Comparing polycounts to what is on the N64 makes the N64 look last generation. Even launch titles figured out the big, flat square polygon n64 games did in abundance and there was no warping.

>>10337796
>PS1 (not X) is more powerful than the N64
It is but not by much. N64 could reach PS1 polycounts with special microcode and disabling some stuff like Z buffer but not many games used this.

>>10337796
How many times are you going to delusionally proclaim the Playstation could run OoT only to get BTFO every time?

>>10337835
>It is but not by much
It is and universally so

>>10337841
more polygons than the entirety of hyrule field

>>10337842
Ahh the abandoned one room techdemo. The staple of console war shitposting.

>>10337843
wouldn't be remotely demanding for PS1 (not X)

>>10328740
> sold less machines
> but sold more titles
anyone that passed yr 4 maths knows this list is fucking horseshit

> you can take this any way you want
>>10328772
>as of 2005

yet another amazing thread where nintentoddlers just lie about everything.

>>10337796
always remember: this board is full of delusional child sex offenders that will reinvent history to make it seem like their garbage console for obese toddlers was actually good.

>>10337848
In your deluded mind only.

>>10337785
>As a non-tendie I would also add some other stuff like Mario Kart, Golf, Tennis
Nobody's falling for it.
>>10337841
>delusionally
That looks better than Zelda. Far smoother framerate and crisper texturing.

>>10337852
You really don't handle getting cornered very well, maybe just accept you're wrong and move on at this point. You always get btfo every time. It gets boring reposting ancient content just because you're a senile literally 48 year old man with no job.

>>10337856
PS1 simply couldn't handle these high fidelity trees consisting of 5 polygons, it's simply impossible. Only with the power of SGI's shit graphics chip could this be achieved in 1998.

>>10328703
Ps1 was a movie game console
The moment you remove the "wow" factor of seeing a 240p crushed jpeg on your tv screen they have nothing but maybe nostalgia for it
The ones who didn't rely on that like Crash and Spyro were still below what the peak of N64 could offer

>>10337862
This but unironically. You simply don't see large scale environments on Playstation like that.

>>10337858
I am increasingly convinced consoles like the N64, GameCube, SNES, melt people's brains. There are no fans of these consoles that are simply normal people.

>>10337868
Even the fans are way more interested in discussing the PS1 at this point, this thread is proof.

>>10337867
Vigilante 8? It has bigger visible distance than the N64 version.

>>10337868
Why did you sneak SNES, aka PS0 in there?

>>10337904
The PlayStation was the SNES but good.

>>10328703
N64 was a mario game console
The moment you remove the "wow" factor of seeing a 240p mario face on your tv screen they have nothing but maybe nostalgia for it
The ones who didn't rely on that like Zelda and Banjo were still below what the peak of PS1 could offer

>>10337915
Playstation has too many "cinematic" games to be better.

N64 was too powerful

>>10337923
I'll take the "cinematic" PlayStation over slowdowns ruining every single action game and RPG Maker tier shit on the SNES, thanks.

>>10337930
>RPG Maker
Another failed meme that will never catch on.

>>10337915
C'mon, both were good.
>>10337923
Which ones?

>>10337938
MGS, FF7, Silent Hill. Resident Evil is cinematic but it also has good gameplay so it's not like it was impossible to be cinematic and not sacrifice gameplay in the process. It's just most developers did.

>>10337949
>MGS, FF7, Silent Hill
Remove all of these and PS1 library still has a lot to offer. On the other hand half of N64 library is Midway shovelware.

>>10328703
Timeless fun and soul

>thread filled with snoys seething
i'm shocked

>>10338408
>snoys
This zoomer got lost on his way to /v/

>>10337850
if you weren't an obsessed snoynigger and learned to read, you'd see that the numbers favor PS1. in America, it didn't have a single game that sold over 4 mln copies; but it had way over 50 games that sold a million or more, when n64 had just 28. so it's almost like having twice as many million sellers implies it sold 2x more units. curious.
which goes to prove what everyone has been saying for years. N64 was all about 3-5 big games, and it was all downhill from there, to the point even hardcore tendies can't name good games for it beyond muh Mischief Makers. on the other hand, PS1 had far more in terms of quantity (though maybe not as much in terms of quality), and it appealed to larger crowd than just core nintendo auditory.
now go make #571241th butthurt thread about N64. your dumb seething never stops being entertaining, N64 has kept snoys obsessed for 20 years

>>10328703
>Unique controller
>local multiplayer focus, gives it more modern relevance
>the games are actually exclusive (Many of PS1's games are on PC and better there)
>Series on N64 are still going today, very few PS exclusives are still getting entries
>PS1 owners were all playing different games, N64 has so few with a such a spread out release schedule most people are nostalgic for the same games

Hope this clears it up for you.

>>10338564
>op still replies to himself

>Consolewar garbage
Parsley

When you went to a kid who owned a PS1's house, you just sat and watched him play. When you went to an N64 household, you and two others played with him.

>>10338782
Because that was worth the bump.

>>10338589
I'm not OP but I am a depressed sad sack on 4channel so I suppose I'm not that different from OP.

>>10338857
And a retard for thinking that was worth a bump. I don't remember asking how you felt. Go to a therapist.

>>10338867
I think you're mean to random people online because you're powerless in your own life and need to lash out at someone without facing consequences and for that I forgive you.

>>10338871
Cate cat, but I didn't ask.

>>10328703
>Why is it the N64 seems to be much more popular today than the PS1 despite the fact that the PS1 sold far more units?
Even if it's not more popular, it's actually remarkable how even it is despite what you point out

N64 and PS1 also have the same number of games in the top 10 highest ranked game that generation even though the PS1 has like 10 times more games

>>10337923
That's bullshit to begin with, PSX has countless no cinematic games. And there's nothing wrong with being cinematic either. Who decided that all games should follow the same formula?
And why wouldn't you accuse a game like Zelda OOT, with very slow cinematic scenes, low difficulty, auto aim stolen from Tomb Raider, simple puzzles and filled to the brim with automatisms, of being a cinematic game?
But yeah, I know how you work, if it isn't available on N64, it's instantly not worthy. Call it cinematics, call it loads of genres, call it all video game companies in the world except for Nintendo and Rare (although you also stopped caring about Rare as long as they were bough by Microsoft...)

>>10328703
because nintendo soicuck bugmen are a loud minority and are rewriting gaming history and try to pretend that the N64 and Gamecube were relevant.

>>10330771
It’s a fair trade if you ask me. /v/ is such a jungle of abject retardation that I can see why the mods strictly enforce the topic-driven gatekeeping. Some of those morons do tend to spill over to this board once in a while, but it’s nowhere as bad as it could be.

>>10328703
The PS1 was popular because of RPGs
A lot of people now don’t like old school RPG’s

>>10338782
>kids who played baby games like mario party and mario tennis
cringelord and infantile, stuck in young childhood

>kids who played street fighter and twisted metal
normal cool kids developing normally

>>10328703
I'll pose it again: WHAT PS1 GAMES would you be excited all day to go to your friend's house after school with to play in 4 player split screen?
They just don't exist

>>10339179
you're replying to auster anon

>>10339331
twisted metal > mario faggot

>>10339298
There is only 5 RPGs in the top 50 best selling PS1 games.

i dont care what any contrary zoomer fags say, nothing compared to seeing mario 64 running in the store for the first time, nothing. None of your weebshit, normie sports shit. PS1 was the start of gameerrrs culturree and let all the normies in, it was a cancer that was never cured.

>>10339331
five top n64 games are worth fifty top pissstation, they will never understand. I tried showing my normie friends the original smash brothers and they wouldnt even play it, dicks.

>>10339115
>we have gran turismo at home
>0 licensed cars and the controls are shit but we don't know better

>>10338554
theres this one sad sack who always makes anti nintendo posts and threads on here, and his post stick out like a blind cobblers thumb, its hilarious how mad he is. I wonder what happened to make somebody so obsessed with such a trivial thing

>>10339851
>he didn't play Soulcalibur and Tekken like all the others
Why can't you just be normal?

>>10339864
Nintendo consoles are not conducive to having a normal mind. There are no normal fans of the N64, GameCube, SNES. They are all raving lunatics who refuse to touch anything except for they're precious Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, and will loudly disparge anything outside of that realm. It seems like such a sad existence to those of us who actually like video games.

>>10339331
CTR and Twisted Metal

Fuck sissy tennis and the inferior racing game of Moblio Shart.

>>10339845
>REAL gamers and REAL nerds were all about Mario
No, just weirdos who refused to grow up. That wasn't en vogue until the late 00s and 2010s, so funny you blame zoomers. Adventure Time fans/Nintendo fanboys came into fashion the time zoomers were coming of age.

>>10331541
that was still the case in the 6th and 7th gen. I remember people mocking you for not like COD or Battlefield and playing "baby" games like Mario.

>>10331615
sure the 90s was edgy but it wasn't as gritty as after GTA 3 and specially the brown and bloom era of gaming.

>>10333075
>Were it not for that fact than it'd be light years ahead of ocarina.

Please explain this to me. I mean in terms of thing like story complexity and character development, obviously it beats it there, but other than those strengths where does it best OoT. Like, normally you'd be able to argue in terms of things like atmosphere, cinematography etc. but you're going up against fucking OoT, which is where it absolutely slaughters its competition. Then going into actual gameplay mechanics and interactivity it's just a cake walk for OoT with the only exceptions being maybe the Neibilheim mansion puzzles and other stuff involved with the optional side characters.

>>10331182
>Even Smash didn't become a "serious" gamer thing until Melee, in the N64 days it wasn't taken seriously.

That's not even because Smash on the 64 wasn't a great game, it just wasn't as appreciated as it could have been competitively at the time, and then once people played Melee more they naturally played that. There is nothing 'unserious' about Smash 64, it's a refined, well balanced game that holds up perfectly fine, it's just that Melee is that much better.

>>10328703
it was only popular in usa, and every english webzone is full of americans

>>10339851

>>10328703
It really isn't
Their fans are loud
Most good games from that time were on ps1

>>10340373
I was at a MTG shop playing Street Fighter and noticed a Smash tournament going on. There was so much high pitch screaming and out of control behaviour which I never encountered with the Street fighter or tekken boys. Why are Smash fans like this? I wonder if a Goldeneye tournament would attract the same kind of players.

>>10328703
Because everyone and their mom had a PS1 and played it as a kid, not everyone had an N64 and definitely didn't have Saturn back in the day. Now people want to play those games they "missed out" on.
Also PS1 emulation was pretty much perfect over a decade ago while N64 and other early 3D consoles had shitty emus for a long time until semi recently.

>>10340828
with literally 1 exception n64 emulation has been fine since the mid 2000s. Said exception is for a great game but an unknown one that even self admitted giga n64 fans hate.

>>10340503
I know that you're baiting but I'll bite. No, Goldeneye was not a typical tendie game. It just happened to be on a tendie console. Smash is a game that the likes of Chris chan play.

>>10340856
Smash is a perfectly fine game, if you just play it normally as a party game like intended instead of pretending it's a competitive fighter.

>>10340862
>just play it normally as a party game
With friends. Online community - never fucking ever.

>>10340872
I never even played the newer ones.
Only the N64 one. Great to play with rl friends or siblings because even the most casual player can get into it.

>>10340831
Im my experience it was iffy with most titles but good enough where as around 2013-ish I recall it being mostly great with as you said few exceptions. Granted I didn't have an amazing computer back then.
PS1 emulation I recall being good even as far back as 06 with most of the good games being playable.

>>10340856
>I know that you're baiting but I'll bite.
I'm not. A few card shops in Sydney had arcade machines or consoles set up.
>>10340862
>I never even played the newer ones.
>if you just play it normally as a party game like intended instead of pretending it's a competitive fighter.
Its fun either way you play it I just wouldn't recommend playing with people you don't know at these competitive events. Both gamecube and N64 Smash bros games are fun.

>>10340881
>PS1 emulation I recall being good even as far back as 06 with most of the good games being playable.
I remember using ePSXe in 2000 to play RE2 because I couldn't find the PC version. It was almost perfect.

>>10340881
>Im my experience it was iffy with most titles but good enough where as around 2013
Man I played through mario 64 with a keyboard on windows xp in 2005 and it ran without any major problems. Problem is n64 dweens consider the lack of a noise transparency a travesty that renders the game unplayable, or a sound crackle here and there. Nah, shit was fine, even on my athlon xp 1700+ with a ti4200. It's all posturing from pretentious weirdos who call ocarina the greatest game of all time and think that if the texture filtering is off the whole thing is unplayable.

>>10340948
haha yeah, imagine caring about your hobby.

>>10341071
I don't really believe most n64 enthusiasts care about the hobby. I think they've ran out of things to talk about and now hyperfixate on minor flaws and project it onto their perceived competition.

>>10329914
What game is this?

>>10337623
retroarch

>>10341082
>and now hyperfixate on minor flaws
Most people who are genuinely passionate about a hobby will be detail oriented. It's okay, you don't care about retro gaming as much as they do. You just want to play the games by any means necessary, and that's fine.

>>10341268
Legend of Mana. Beautiful art, great music, combat is okay but really easy to break. Dreamlike setting and story.
Worth a playthrough.

>>10341614
I'm convinced of the opposite, dissuading people from emulating games just because mario's transparency for a 15 second power up is rendered incorrectly is likely a scheme to inflate real hardware importance and priority. Ultimately fueling the market for overpriced N64 games. It seems to have worked well on you.

>>10341625
>dissuading people from emulating games
As someone who always prefers playing on original hardware with a CRT, I think emulation is a great tool for casual players who just want to play their favorite game from their childhood or something. I can't attest to the boogeyman you're speaking of, but it doesn't apply to me at least.
>Ultimately fueling the market for overpriced N64 games. It seems to have worked well on you.
I find it ironic how there are people now who genuinely behave elitist about not being elite. It's a fascinating paradox.

>>10341636
>I think emulation is a great tool for casual players
Clearly you're at a conflict here, I'm saying joe shmoe won't care about mario not being the right kind of see through. Its been this way for almost 20 years, it hasn't really mattered at any point it wasn't the right kind of see through. Obtuse preservationists (pirates) claiming it's all dogshit as we have in this very thread drives away joe shmoe into nostalgic memories and not picking up the games in the first place.
>the rest
Don't like it when it comes back to you, huh? Don't try it next time.

>>10341673
>I'm saying joe shmoe won't care about mario not being the right kind of see through
This is essentially what I said in my post, except more condescending.

>>10341617
Thanks anon, sounds good, will check it out.

I wish they would have kept the Ultra 64 branding, it just sounded so much cooler

Was the N64 CPU actually 64bit?

>>10341801
would the stick been better internally?

>>10341839
No, the RAM bus was only 9-bit so the CPU was constrained to that as well. Similarly, the SNES CPU was only 8-bit. The first time Nintendo had a real 32-bit processor was with the GameCube, and even then, it was a very simple design without the SIMD parallel processing capabilities of it's competitors.
>Lateral thinking with withered technology

>>10342436
so basically we didn't get 64bit processors on console until PS4/XBONE?

>>10340948
Any game should be preserved and emulated properly. An emulator that can have Mario play "fine" with just a few hiccups won't be able to have certain games play at all. This isn't just a Nintendo thing, this applies to any system.

>>10342442
The guy you are responding too is a dumbass. The snes cpu was 16bit and the n64 has a 64bit cpu, regardless of bussize or performance.
He is either retarded or trolling.

>>10342537
the first 64bit CPU was from AMD. the archiecture is literally called amd64.

It's really pretty fascinating when you think about it that the N64 had a 64-bit cpu long before desktop PCs had it and even in the 6th generation the gamecube was the only console with a true 64-bit cpu - the PS2 had 2 32-bit ones and the xbox had a 32-bit one due to being based off pc hardware.

Nintendo was so far ahead of the curve and then something went a bit strange. I think the original Wii was a great punt that turned out very well, but using it and the DS as this precedent that they now have to have some weird thing every generation and be behind the other two technologically doesn't sit right with me.

>>10342576
Unless you need more than 4gb of ram then 64 bit general purpose registers are only occasionally useful. n64 did not need a 64bit cpu, it just happened to have one because one was available at a good price.

As for PCs not having 64bit cpus. You can't just swap out the cpu in a standard platform.

N64 is for babies

>>10328703
Nintendo fanboys are VERY vocal about their bootlicking

>>10328703
Because the loading times on many PS1 games are long enough to make and eat a sandwich every time it needs to load. This generation is kind of terrible, but there are lots of good games.

Because it got the best games, albeit not many

>>10345904
People who like all the genres and companies that didn't get a proper representation in N64 will certainly disagree with you, and not everyone will want to pretend they never cared about them.
We also have those who could have been disappointed by Mario 64 because of its repetitive gameplay, bad cameras, shitty simplistic bosses, mediocre and repetitive soundtrack, little variety of enemies, repetitive textures... with Zelda OOT because of its atrocious framerate, excessive automatisms, desertic map, mediocre and easy puzzles, easy battles, ugly npcs... A lot of people becomes incapable of seeing the flaws of a game as soon as the Nintendo logo appears, but there might be exceptions.
Given how hateful, sad and angry N64 users always acted, given how poor the sales of Game Cube were in contrast with the spectacular sales of PSXs successor, it's transparently obvious that owning a Nintendo 64 was a miserable experience for a huge percentage of its users.

>>10345961
I have no intent of defending Nintendo nor the 64 itself, but Mario 64 is still one of the few 3D platformers that was specifically aimed to be a platformer: with great controls and a ton of depth to movement, and every stage and mission being built around specifically that and attempting to do as much as possible with it, which is why it had bad bosses, a basic soundtrack and a lot of stock images used as basis for textures. Enemy variety is one of the things it does right: almost every stage has specific enemies that can be associated specifically with that stage, and even ones that are recycled get used in unique and new ways through the varied stage layouts. It is not perfect, but very few 3D platformers have aimed to do what it did rather than just having flashy presentation to hide how basic they are mechanically.

>>10328703
Tendies

>>10329243
Back in the day there absolutely was a subset of 'gamers' who made which console they had their entire identity, but it wasn't Nintendo. It was SEGA. Go read some ancient gaming forum posts from around Y2K and you'll see constant consolewar flame bait posts, with almost all of it coming from SEGA fanboys. Calling the N64 a kiddy toy and the PS1 a cheap cash-in from a company with no connection to gaming. Saying the Saturn and later Dreamcast were gonna revolutionise the industry and kill all the competition.
The rise of the Nintendrone didn't happen until the mid-late 00s when the millennials who grew up during the Genesis vs SNES and N64 vs PS1 days first started to hit their teens and early adult years. It was nostalgiafagging.

>>10330023
The Genesis was basically the Sonic Machine. Nobody was buying it for anything else. Sonic outsold every other non-Sonic Genesis game at a ratio of like 5:1. The take rate between Genesis consoles and Sonic was nearly 1:1.
People like to point to all the arcade ports or the rushed US launch as to why the Saturn failed, but I think it was mainly them not capitalising on the huge momentum of Sonic. Nintendo delivers Mario 64 and revolutionises the industry, and SEGA stands their with their dick in their hands and sharts out some sprite-based isometric Sonic game and whatever the fuck Nights Into Dreams was supposed to be.

>>10331069
>>10331056
They both flopped compared to the PS1. Mid 90s was the height of popularity for JRPGs in Japan, and the lack of options for those on both consoles is what killed them. The only reason the Saturn didn't do worse there is because of all the 1:1 arcade ports, which Japanese gamers had massive hard-ons for for some reason.

>>10338564
>unique controller
Zoomer spotted. The original PSX gamepad/DualShock was also unique when it was new.

>>10346135
>The original PSX gamepad/DualShock was also unique when it was new.
Not really. The original PS1 was just a SNES controller with handles and 2x L/R buttons. The DualShock was released directly in response to the N64 controller and the rumble pak.

>>10346065
>The rise of the Nintendrone didn't happen until the mid-late 00s
Nah, they were the first.
https://youtu.be/T_MOqHyCUEc?t=144
why try to whitewash this? It's literally documented. Everyone does it, Nintendo are the most guilty of it and the most active. Having this weird grudge against sega who hasn't had a console in the market for 20 years is just reeking of arrested development.

Either accept what you are or grow up.

>>10346242
PS1 had rumble first

>>10346248
No, that isn't correct. The Rumble Pak was launched on April 27, 1997. The DualShock was launched on November 20, 1997.

>>10346252
Dual Analog was launched on April 25, 1997 and Tobal 2 was released on the same day with rumble feature support.

>>10346253
>Dual Analog was launched on April 25, 1997
Fair enough. At first I was under the impression that the Dual Analog controller didn't have a rumble feature, because the multiple I own don't rumble. Turns out that was just the North American and international versions. The Japanese version did in fact have rumble.

>>10328703
Most PS1 games are unplayable today and JRPGs have no replayability