/vr/ - Retro Games

It was a FF title, but in the end, it wasn't. So, granted that the conversation is even real it is pretty funny to imagine some fat nerd trying to sound smart by saying Secret of Mana is his favourite Final Fantasy, you're both right and wrong at the same time and in the end I am the bigger nerd.

>>10327580
Where is the chocobo? I beat this game back in the day and still have it. I traded dkc for it and to this day i still regret that trade.

>>10327629
I don't think there are any in SoM, but there are some in FFA/MQ and Legend of Mana. Some moogles, too.

>>10327580
next you'll say Persona is a SMT game

>>10327580
Even if it IS a FF game, this being your favorite makes you retarded.

>>10327580
You are too fucking stupid for oxygen. SoM is to Final Fantasy, as Devil May Cry is to Resident Evil.

>>10327580
Well now you're a double retard.

>>10327629
>I traded dkc for it
I am so sorry that happened to you.

>>10327580

It doesn't have "Final Fantasy" in its name and it doesn't feel like Final Fantasy. I don't think one moogle town qualifies it as being part of another series. At most you could call it a "game in the Final Fantasy Gaiden series".

>>10327658
It literally is.

>>10327910
No it isn't. It's like what Puyo is to Madou Monogatari.

>>10328363
>It doesn't have "Final Fantasy" in its name
The name of the game is Seiken Densetsu 2. It's clearly a part of the Seiken Densetsu series. The first Seiken Densetsu has Final Fantasy in the title, so the Seiken Densetsu series is clearly a part of the Final Fantasy series.
>At most you could call it a "game in the Final Fantasy Gaiden series".
So you agree, it's a part of the Final Fantasy series.

>>10329343
No it's like what panzer dragoon is to starfox

>>10327580
I also have to admit the whole thing sounds kind of funny lol. You probably should've just said Final Fantasy Adventure in the first place lol, then you could've explained how it's related to Mana and why you prefer the SNES game

>>10329354

A "series" is linear. It isn't two lines that diverge from a branching point. "Final Fantasy Gaiden" or whatever is one series, Final Fantasy is another. That's the most natural way to look at it, I claim. You could of course just sort all games with "Final Fantasy" anywhere in their titles by release date and call them one series if you really wanted. That's super awkward, but you could do it. Maybe also lump in stuff like Mystic Quest, Dissidia, FF Legend, all of it. There's some ambiguity here.

Personally, I'd go as far as saying that games like FF X-2 and the FF13 sequels are part of the main Final Fantasy family (again, I wouldn't call it a series, because it repeatedly splits into branches), and no further than that. I wouldn't include all the other stuff. But I wouldn't call the annoying fat guy in the weird shirt a retard for disagreeing, either. He's got a point.

>>10327580
>Do people really not know it's a Final Fantasy game?
Are you being retarded on purpose? It's a Seiken Densetsu game (spirit sword legend), they completely dropped the Final Fantasy title after the first game and it's been Seiken Densetsu ever since (Mana in the West)

>>10327580
>There are literally chocobo in this series, among other things.
Also it's worth mentioning they remade this game under the name Sword of Mana on GBA and retroactively added allusions to other Mana games, guess what they took out? The chocobo and everything that even hinted at being related to Final Fantasy, that is to say barely anything at all which is why they stopped pretending right after the first game that it had anything to do with Final Fantasy, Ishii wanted to make something completely different and was forced to attach FF to the first game. As soon as he had the opportunity to rid that needless stain on the series he did just that and now Mana/Seiken Densetsu which these days has more in common with SaGa than anything has always been considered its own series apart from FF.
OP trying to be a smart ass and accidentally making himself out to just be a regular dumbass

>>10327580
Is Chocobo Racing a Final Fantasy game? Ehrgeiz? They are related yes, but they are more spin-offs, sort of like what Yoshi and Wario are to Mario. Admittedly I do not know much about FF and Mana, but if it were me, I would've just said "I prefer the Mana games" something or other. Or Chocobo Racing in my case lol

>>10330194
>Is Chocobo Racing a Final Fantasy game?
Yes
>Ehrgeiz
No, the FF7 characters were guests, it would be akin to saying Kingdom Hearts is an FF game.
Which is similar to Mana's situation, it was initially coerced into being a "spin off" but Mana is not a spin off, not even the case like Yoshi or Wario, Mana had to earn it's independence and is it's own series that has no relation to FF nor does it use any of it's tropes, rather it invented it's own world, characters and tropes
>dwarf named Watt who forges weapons, a Seiken Densetsu main stay instead of using an archetypal Cid
>City named Wendel and Jadd
>Elemental Spirits are always used to channel magic, no black or white magic tree.
>A Great Spirit Tree instead of Crystals
>Fluffy Dragon Mount
>Little Cactus that appears in multiple games
>Planting seeds that spit out armor and weapons
>Candy and Chocolate instead of potions
>Rabites instead of Goblins or DQ Slimes
To name a few Mana tropes, it actively goes out it's way to NOT be FF or part of it's series.

>>10327580
I didn't know that I barely knew Seiken Densetsu 3 was a sequel to SoM. SD3 really should of come out in the west it would of given people something other than Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy 6 to talk about during the gameboy advance era of handheld gaming.

Maybe your talkie liked one of the known final fantasy games instead. Shit happens.

>>10330220
>SD3 really should of come out in the west

>>10327580
By that logic the Mario games are actually Donkey Kong game (I did follow that logic for my autistlist, but that's more a convenience thing)
It's like calling Falcom's weebrpg series Dragon Slayer games because the first 2 legend of heroes used the title. Spin-offs are called that because they spin off the original series to become their own thing.
However the real truth is that every game ever made is part of the tennis for two saga. And what a saga it is, I still haven't gone through all of it.

not your fucking blog

>>10330239
>By that logic the Mario games are actually Donkey Kong game
Is Super Mario World 2 a Mario game?

>>10330413
no it's just a reskinned Super Doki Doki Panic

>>10327658
You're not gonna believe this

>>10327580
My god, people like you are hopelessly retarded, my heart goes out to the someone for having to interact with your kind.
>picrel

>>10330413
No, it's a Donkey Kong game as it still carriest the Donkey Kong Super Mario World title.

>>10330507
So the correct title should be Donkey Kong Super Mario Advance 3 Super Mario World 2: Yoshis Island?

>>10330519
Yoshi's Story is my favourite Donkey Kong game

>>10330519
You're forgetting the number and the extra Advance after Donkey Kong

>>10330220
>should of

>>10327580
>Do people really not know it's a Final Fantasy game?
It's not. You're literally retarded.

>>10330797
nigger it has moogles.

>>10330239
no. mario isnt in dk, thats jumpman. he isnt even a plumber.

>>10330217
retard, there are goblins.

>>10330171
look at this retard going with a remake/reboot as cannon.

>>10329458
>A "series" is linear. It isn't two lines that diverge from a branching point.
Awful take, there are multiple series that go against what you say here
>Pic Related
>Drakengard/Nier
>Dark Forces/Jedi Knight
>Caesar/Pharaoh

>>10332228
Forgot pic

>>10332228
>Awful take,

Go back to Twitter.

>>10327658
Persona 4 is one of the few Megami Tensei games where a reincarnation of a goddess takes place and is very plot-important. Think how many Shin Megami Tensei games can claim that.

This is the best saga game and it's not even close.

>>10327580
SECRET OF MANA IS A GUIDE GAME, MOST JRPGS ARE, BUT THIS IS TOO

>>10332162
That's been retconned ages ago bro, even the retcon is /vr/. keep up with the Donkey Kong lore.

>>10327658
It'd be like saying The Fonz is a Fraiser character.

>>10332170
>Nuh uh
You have no argument.

>>10332163
Not the starting enemies you ignoramus.

>>10332156
Moogles also show up in Kingdom Hearts you retard

>>10332228
If you named a drakengard game as your favorite nier game, you would also be an insufferable cunt.

>>10330171
Ah yes, the game that killed the series.

>>10327580
Good bait. You'll get 400 replies arguing if it's FF or not and nobody is going to point out how it's irrelevant because SoM, even if a FF, is not the best by any reasonable measure. Great game. But would be 4th or 5th best FF at best.

>>10332682
>Ah yes, the game that killed the series.
Citation needed, there were mana games that came out after this game, they weren't very good but besides the point. Not sure how you could even make a claim when the game got a full on fucking remake not that long ago

Post your shirt OP I have literally never seen anyone wearing a FF shirt in public. Like 10 years ago I used the victory fanfare from 7 as my ringtone and somebody was like dude I love zelda!

>>10327580
>and I was wearing a Final Fantasy shirt (because I'm a man-baby) and they pivoted the conversation to games and asked what my favorite Final Fantasy was
> I hate exposing myself as an autist
That person was trying to be nice and throw you a bone, and you fucked it up

>>10329414
>Hesshit Sonic
Not retro cunt

>>10333307
cope

>>10327580
>my favorite Final Fantasy was and I said Secret of Mana
that's just racist

>>10327580
Extremely low quality bait.

>>10327580
He was right
Cope faggot

>>10330171
The chocobo appears right after the ending, faggot. Go play the game before writing your schizowall.

stealth harvest moon thread?

>>10327580
actually it's your favorite dragon quest anon

>>10327593
>you're both right and wrong at the same time

The best kind of right!

>>10334180
>Fujewrama

>>10334012
That's literally a secret and a cameo you fucking retard, the original game had a mecha chocobo mount which is not in the game. Actually play the game before you open your dumbass mouth

>>10332556
literally in the very first dungeon you mongoloid

>>10332558
which is a final fantasy game you tripple retard +1

>>10332552
I dont argue with retards, I point and laugh at them

>>10332868
>dude I love zelda!
and? your point? final fantasy is a zelda game.

>>10334274
You are fucking stupid

>What constitutes as a Final Fantasy game according to autists ITT
>uhhh moogles? chocobo? yep it's Final Fantasy
In SaGa Frontier, the Mana Beast from Secret of Mana appears as a normal enemy, does this make SaGa Frontier an mana game?
Could it be that a bunch of different unrelated games can have playful cameos without actually being related to that series? No clearly this means they are in the same series

>>10330778
ESLs fuck that one up a lot because the ['ve] is mnemonic with "of".

>>10334293
>that fucked up image
The absolute fucking state of SaGafags.

>>10334286
look at this. you see who that is on the bottom left? thats fucking Figment. do you know who fucking Figment is asshole? he is a Disney character.

case closed

>>10334303
>zoomer doesn't know early 2000s image quality looks like
Why are you here?

>>10334308
Did you think your 233x216 image was worthwhile, jew boy?

BEHOLD, A FINAL FANTASY GAME

>>10334317
The ride never ends, it was all FF

Kill kikes.

>>10327580
TOP KEK
How fucked up do you look that some stranger calls you a retard mid conversation and leaves?

Not considered Final Fantasy by Square? Not Final Fantasy

>>10334350
The jews murdered JFK, bombed the USS Liberty, and bombed the Twin Towers.

>>10334350
thats not according to square, thats according to squeenix. square died a long time ago

>>10334301
You mean Donkey Kong universe.

>>10334295
With your input you continually make these forums a better place.

>>10327580
That's like saying Megaman Battle Network is your favorite Megaman X game.

>>10332682
It didn't though, Dawn of Mana killed the series with how terrible it was. Sword of Mana is a decent game, not as intuitive and responsive as Final Fantasy Adventures but much more charming.

>>10329338
it's goddess reincarnation but not TRUE goddess reincarnation

>>10327580
I bet you also think Kingdom Hearts is a Final Fantasy game.