/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
AD MORTEM FINAL CUT
See https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10230372/#10235841

WAD BOORU (open for submissions)
http://clovr.xyz/wadsup/

FORE/VR/ ALONE (beta 3)
https://files.catbox.moe/u9smv4.zip

=== WHEN IT'S DONE ===
A SERIOUS CASE OF /vr/
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9611263/#9611406

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9941667/#9941720

=== NEWS ===
[10-6] First Quake 2 Remaster Deathmatch Jam is out
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/quake-2-remaster-deathmatch-map-jam-2023

[10-3]Quake 2 Remaster updated (check Steam)

[10-1] DBP62: Haunting Hollow is out now!
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3364/haunting-hollow

[9-30] Ion Fury: Aftershock release announced for October 2, 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c49Zj6E_u98

[9-30] Kingpin: Reloaded release announced for December 5, 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP9U_0znTCQ

[9-30] Wrath: Aeon of Ruin release announced for February 27, 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLMKbLI-nRA

[9-30] MARROW, a fan-made Blood episode, released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/marrow

[9-28] The Force Engine 1.09.5 released, featuring new graphical features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh5O53fM-pk

[9-27] Venturous, an Indiana Jones-style partial conversion released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=78218

[9-25] GZDoom 4.11 released, supporting DSDHacked and new ZSCript features
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1245363#p1245363

[9-21] Naku-Naru 2 released
https://joblez.itch.io/naku-naru-2-yoru-no-sei

[9-20] GZChaos 1.0 released
https://kevansevans.itch.io/gzchaos

[9-18] Doom Mac sourcecode
https://archive.org/details/doom-mac-source

[9-15] Doom Retro 5.0 released
https://github.com/bradharding/doomretro/releases/tag/v5.0

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

AD MORTEM UPDATES (see newspost webm as well as these posts):
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10291040/#10296407
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10291040/#10293182

What's the best soundfont to play the original IWADs in?

>>10304876
Take your pick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFWBqUK4G_Q

>>10304876
I'm a big fan of 1MGM.SF2.
People might prefer a Roland soundfont for Doom, but since I played Heretic and Hexen before Doom and I had a SB card in the early 00's, I use this one almost exclusively.

>>10304829
Most anons will be fine using Raze now that they fixed the physics issue with explosions.
>>10304861
Added this to the chart and tweaked a bit of the layout.
>>10304872
Blood is starved of good mods, but the big four would be Death Wish, Eviction, 500ml of /vr/, and Marrow.

>>10304861
I couldn't get NBGDX to run.

>>10304893
It needs to be used with a newer version of JDK. If any anons know more about it beyond being an alterative to BuildGDX I'll revise.

>>10304895
I stuck it in the JDK-21 bin folder and it won't run. Am brainlet.

>>10304892
>Death Wish, Eviction, 500ml of /vr/, and Marrow.
French Meat 2 is also pretty good.

>>10304917
Forgot about that one, it's great.
>>10304916
I'll swap the order in the chart then to imply BuildGDX preferred over NuBuildGDX.

>>10304920
Added a must play mod list, all of them should work on all of the ports listed (except for Eviction).

>>10304876
RLNDGM.SF2

Somehow I unintentionally managed to cheese this section by exiting it quickly via the way I came from before the scripted doors trapped me inside, the ammounts of monsters spawning inside this chamber dipped the game down to single-digit FPS if I dared to look at their general direction.
I wanted to use all of my leftover Multi-Grenades for mopping up everything that didn't autogib itself when the monsters ran out of teleporting space, but the TomeOfPower-boosted MGs appatently create a custom particle effect that doesn't exist yet - causing a CTD whenever they do explode immediately on impact with mobs and don't get allowed to scatter into bomblets.

>>10304727
>>10304740
You'll see more of that: Atari, Apogee, Black Isle Studios... Despite all odds, brands hold as much (if not more) nostalgic value as games themselves. Legal technicality, current reputation and employees matter only when it's convenient for the conversation. Like how people still grieve over Raven and fall for Apogee's gaslighting,
Would've mentioned Interplay too, but I believe it's still the same legal entity from way back in a day unlike aforementioned examples of new or different parties who bought the brand.
Perhaps one day, people will stop falling for "authentic company" meme.

GOOD MORNING MOTHERFUCKERS, IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN: SCREENSHOT SATURDAY! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? Maps, mods, sprites? Now's a good time to post that shit! Or maybe later because I always post this shit too early in the morning because I'll be damned if I let someone else post this while I sleep.

>>10305195
Been working on making some models for the shoulder cannons I got planned. I still don't have much idea on what the hell I'm doing with 3D modeling though.

>>10305203
>I still don't have much idea on what the hell I'm doing with 3D modeling though.
You're doing soulful low poly models.

>>10305204
Sometimes my topology gets fucked up really bad though, and I have no idea about how to make any of this efficiently.
It doesn't matter too much right now seeing as I just pose them and paint over them to make sprites, but it's still something I'd like to get better at.

kek

>>10305135
>>10305137
Ngl, those guns looks very good to be made by AI.

>>10304935
Haven't added the mods section yet, won't have tim to for the next week or so and by then I'll already have forgotten this even exists, so if someone else wants to add one, go ahead.

>>10305230
>>10298519
And here's something for my kart bros. This isn't intended to be added to the OP, it's just a how 2 play guide that's fancier than a text post.

>>10305230
Neat, glad to have helped out. The mod list is pretty much what every anon repeats when a visitor comes in to ask about what mod to play that isn't DW.

Gonna try to get Whodunit going tonight. Like mentioned last bread, it'll be around 8PM EST. Not much to say except for video games.

>>10304958
Cute K⟡†

>>10305195
This week I've been finishing up a map. I wanted to start an Ad Mortem map, but feel burnt out.

>Blood in OP
>500ml of /vr/
>still no shadow warrior /vr/ project

You rook rike stupids anons! Shadow Warrior is still the best build game. Duke Nukem doesn't even nuke shit, Caleb is a ripoff gunslinger with neighter horse nor six shooter. Meanwhile Lo Wang has everything you expect from an asian badass and then some!

Play with your wang and maybe consider a Shadow Warrior project!

>>10305137
>UFO2-styled retro-FPS never ever
(π_π)

>>10305276
>ro ro ro your boat, gentle down the stream
>the sword is a personal weapon
>you no mess with lo wang
>banzai!
Fucking love Shadow Warrior! Sadly never got the mapping love it deserved, as is the problem with basicly every Build game because the engine is one giant piece of shit, stitched together with spit and ducktape.

>>10305301
> Sadly never got the mapping love it deserved, as is the problem with basicly every Build game because the engine is one giant piece of shit, stitched together with spit and ducktape.

Filtered

>>10304958
>mod with fast crawling insane marines
Same mod yeah. I then tried running it through the 25th Unit and it was revealed that they’re actually wounded berzerkers.

>>10305238
Oh yeah, and for anyone that cares, any preferred flavor of WhoDunIt? I've actually never really got the chance to try the original, and I know there's updated versions like WDI: Reloaded, WDI: Max, and a bunch of other patched versions in the TSPG downloads, so if anyone wants anything other than vanilla, lemme know.

Replaying the ultimate doom and doom 2 and realizing how superior the levels in the former are. I could count the good ones from doom 2 on the fingers of one hand

>>10305305
By an engine? Sorry anon, build ain't as easy as drawing some lines in Doombuilder. Try it ones and you'll understand.

Still it's fascinating how many build games there were back in the day.

>>10305305
The shit they’re pulling off in AMC Squad melts my mind and I haven’t even finished the first episode.

>>10305332
Underhalls, The Gantlet, Dead Simple, The Inmost Dens, The Chasm.
Gave you enough for a hand.

>>10305339
I always hoped for something that impressive for Shadow Warrior. Like a Shanghai Shootout in the spirit of a Woo movie.

>>10305349
It's interesting how much Romero likes the levels everyone else considers to be terrible. Chasm is one of his favorites, and Downtown directly inspired Industrial Zone.

>>10305276
And still no Half-Life /vr/!

>>10305367
I'm not a fan of Downtown, but I will die on the hill to defend Chasm. It's so fucking memorable exactly because of the reasons people bring up against it. It might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I certainly enjoy it every time.

Then again, I think Sandy is underrated as a mapper and a person anyway. Man doesn't deserve all the shit people give him. He was very much creative in his design and we can thank him for bringing Cthulu to the mainstream (in a good way). Good guy, love him.

>>10305367
Downtown is just Containment Zone with verticality and everyone loves Containment Zone. People have dumb opinions.

>>10305371
I think the problem with a Half-Life project would be that the game's strongest piece isn't it's combat. The thing that makes Half-Life so good is the enviroment, the atmosphere and the setpieces.
Sure, you remember surface tension for it's action, but also for it's setpiece. Same with On a rail or even Xen. I don't know if we would get a cohesive project together. That's why most Half-Life mods are done by a smaller group or single person, so everyone knows the full picture of what you wish to achieve.

>>10305367
All of these are good because they have unique challenges. If there were no levels like these in Doom II there would be little more to it than new monsters

>>10305406
Think about it. Maybe then we would view Doom 2 no more favorable than Spear of Destiny. What a world that would be.

>>10305305
If an engine filters out the majority of mappers, then it's no good engine.

>>10305301
The problem is not that the engine sucks, it's that IT IS TWO THOUSAND TWENTY THREE OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST AND THERE IS STILL NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY DOOM BUILDER LIKE IN TERMS OF MAP EDITORS!!!

>>10305510
There will never be a "Doom builder like" for Build games, it's just not how Build games work. Litterally get good.
But at least it filters out the shitters, imagine if doomers knew they would have to shade every and each surface manually and manually do texture sizing and panning, they'd flip out!

>playing through DBP62
>get to map02
>"oh fuck, Cathode Ray Sunshine by Dark Tranquillity?? I love Cathode Ray Sunshine by Dark Tranquillity"
>"what other tracks does this wad have?"
>checks readme.txt
>music lists:
>>MAP02: MAP13 (D_DOOM2) from onsl3_.wad

>>10305537
>2023
>listening to Dark Tranquillity

>>10305557
Lol for the trend chaser. I listened DT on 2003 and I still listen DT on 2023.

>>10305398
Yes, but TWHL Tower proves that you still can stitch together a bunch of absolutely different maps and it would be cool (that Half-Life "abridged" map was awesome).

>>10305595
I also listened to DT in 03, but eventually I couldn't stand the keyboard anymore.
Other Gothenburg band know how to tone it down instead of making it the most prominent instrument.
DT is in fact one of the very, very few bands I actually stopped listening to. Weird.

>Half Life 25th anniversary
You will do something, right?

>>10305796
I'll ride the tramway in my city in celebration

>>10300931
Okay he does one thing more than taking 1 more rocket to die - upon dying there's a chance that he'll turn into a Lost Soul, not unlike how the Skull Wizards in the DrakeMod almost always turned into a pair of spiders when killed without being gibbed.

>>10305796
Big date! Gonna finish the Horse Bestiality mod for it!

>>10305796
no

>>10305537
I still don't know wtf "sd.wad" is that they credit for DBP29's slowed down Gryphon track from Tyrian

>>10305796
I’m probably just going to play more Q2. I might check out my latest HL save and make some webms if something vaguely interesting happens.

>>10305837
DBP needs to take notes from /vr/ projects when it comes to crediting. I know you post here, matador. Get this message to your fuckbuddies.

>>10305796
Might play some Aftershock or other games in case I don't pick up the expansion.

>>10304868
Which sourceports can run Marrow?

>>10305901
Don't shoot the fuel tanks inside the ISS

Does anyone have the complete Serious Sam kill count picture? With all entries and DLCs included

>>10306261
Here you go. I don't think this takes Siberian Mayhem into consideration.

>>10305828
please stop

>>10305529
>it's just not how Build games work
He obviously doesn't mean the same exact tools, he means the same level of utility. That is something that you can do regardless of the engine.

>>10306218
This? Sorry but it was always too late my poor ears what the fuck

>>10305529
>imagine if doomers knew they would have to shade every and each surface manually and manually do texture sizing and panning, they'd flip out!
you can do every single one of theses things in doom with udmf you dense fuck

>>10305276
I'd be down for a shadow
warrior project, it's a shame there are no custom campaigns for it. If a few other anons are interested we should make it happen. Just need to come up with a snazzy title.

>>10305301
Quite a few anons picked up Build for the first time during 500ml, mapedit / mapster is a bit harder than db, but anyone familiar with doom mapping should be able to learn it.

WhoDunIt server is up, using the old vanilla WAD
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/v-z/whodunit
IP: 164.152.111.147:10666
Password: penis
Name: Booty Lickers Incorporated

>>10306193
I think they all can or at least the big ones can: FS, Nblood, GDX, Raze. It worked fine with the latest version of Notblood.

>>10306597

>>10306592
You don't "just need to come up with a snazzy title," there needs to be someone willing to commit to leading the project, organizing everything, compiling people's maps into a complete package, playtesting, offering advice with the editor, and actually knowing his way around the engine. Naturally, it should be the people who suggest these things in the first place like this dumbshit >>10305276 who decided to prance in here and start lamenting everyone for making maps that aren't for his favowite game, but as always, he won't do anything because his mapping resume consists of jack and shit and he has zero leadership skills to speak of. That doesn't even get into how niche of an interest Shadow Warrior has as a game, how small of a turnout a project like that would even get. Need I remind you that 500ml of /vr/ is 6 maps and 4 of them are by the project lead? That's 3 unique contributors. (Technically, there was a 4th contributor, but what matters is results, and because his map got canned, it may as well not exist.)
/vr/ isn't a project dispenser. You can't just say "there should be a Quake project, and it should be called Violent Rumble!" and then have everyone posting simultaneously stop what they're doing to make one. You get the ball rolling by being a leader and putting in actual, substantial WORK - which none of you have done. I'm not AGAINST the idea of a Shadow Warrior project, don't get me wrong - I'm only letting you know that you people constantly saying "there should be an X project" are just a bunch of pussies who do nothing and want other people to make your wishes come true for you, and until you change this part of who you are, there will be none of these projects - especially not Shadow Warrior.

>>10306597
Had a good run of WhoDunIt, relatively. Now switched over to regular co-op, with Preacher loaded
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/p-r/preacher

got the smoke and knife binds mixed up

94p never

AVP Classic Gold's marine campaign was really interesting. It went away from the arena based levels and even removed weapons coming with you between levels for a more intense and action experience. I saved ammo like a derp a lot of the time, when it costed me a lot of valuable time in retries. The way that enemies just come out of nowhere and you have to use your motion sensors to find them also adds to the tension and unique experience: there's only two real "arenas" to fight enemies in, the rest are narrow halls and you gotta be careful with your aim and detection.
It can get bullshit but that really does further the tension of the campaign. This isn't SH level of horror of "it's scary on an aesthetic/informational level but the gameplay itself is fine", but rather actually scary because you fear getting jumped by a face hugger or an alien.
Critique: it could have used some more varied environments. The plants were cool. I saw the predator had jungles and the alien had ruins, I would have loved to see that as the Marine. The pulse rifle is way too good and I never needed to use other guns, I think the later aliens should have come earlier to force me to use my weapons. Your speed should have been lowered: I often dodge aliens, which is kinda ridiculous in both story and tone, because you're clearly not meant to bunny hop from them. Your walk should be your run, but give you more ways to deal with enemies approaching you.
Other than that, it's pretty fun, and if I have time I wanna make some levels for the Marine.

>>10306728
>You don't just need to come up with a snazzy title
Yeah, you also need to be able to make a title graphic, but then that's it. That's all you need to do.

>>10306728
I was the project lead for 500ml and I'm willing to do the same for a shadow warrior project. The 4th mapper you spoke of was lunchlunch but his hdd died and lost the map unfortunately. I know the turnout for 500ml was small but people seemed to like the end product.

So there is lot of good news
Phoenix is at nightdive discord and he said there it never was a beef inbetween him paril or even Q2 community in general over the old weapon ports from Generations Arena, plus all the models will be open source for backport once 1.0 is out, which wont take too long.

Also Q3A models can be backported to Q2 now you still need md2 tools for it alongside a bones to vertex conversion

>>10306770
Now THAT is what I like to hear. I was watching 500ml closely in the discord, so I'm pretty well versed in the details, and I can tell you're more of a leader than the average joe here, so if you say you're willing to lead a Shadow Warrior project, then we might just be getting one after all.

>>10306798
Glad to hear that people wanting to do a mapping project has finally met your standard of approval. It's what people want most in life, right after you dragging your fat hairy nuts across their nans' faces. Both are an absolute blessing to be strove for.

>>10305195
Let's see if I can get this off-project waifu map finished before the project technically completes.

>>10306806
>People wanting to do a mapping project
People wanting other people to do a mapping project for them*
>Your standard of approval
Literally anything at all.
>Both are an absolute blessing to be strove for.
I know.

>>10306750

>>10306597
>>10306745
And closed. Thanks again for those that showed up. WhoDunIt was interesting, although I think I'd definitely try the fan continuations in the future if I were to touch it again, and Preacher was just good all around. The more occult/religious theming of Hell works well for October, and those Cyberdemons got at least one good spook outta me, and everyone's entitled to one good scare for Halloween.

Plus the default skin being the cultist has really got me in the mood for some Blood. Might do some ZBloody Hell in the near future, unless anyone's got WADs like those pegged for actual Halloween sessions.

>>10304873
>AD MORTEM
more like FAG MORTEM lol

>>10305195
I am working on making this map more Hideous Destructor compliant. Right now, you only almost die from a super fun water slide ride.

>>10306837
>People wanting other people to do a mapping project for them*
See, that's why we rely on you, anon. Others would just see the multiple people voicing interest in a mapping project, with the one you replied to even being interested enough to say they're ready to get things going as soon as they decide on a name, and they'd probably just wish them luck, but you on the other hand were wise enough to take offense to that.

We at the /vr/™ discussion and mapping conglomerate have extremely limited resources, with tight margins for each year, and something as irresponsible as voicing interest in a mapping project without submitting a design doc with attached project lead is a waste of our very limited /vr/™ post reservoir. That creates a hole that threatens to destroy our entire quarterly report, and forces other /vr/™ anons to either cover the slack or leave it unfulfilled and risk a devastating blow to both our fiscal establishment and public reputation.

God speed, anon, and god bless the nuts you drag over everything. We just couldn't do it without (You)

>>10306770
I've been thinking of making my own maps for some time but I'm a bit of a brainlet. The editor looks arcane and I wouldn't know what makes a map good if it slapped me in the face.
Any chance you have a list of resources for using the build engine map editor and single player map design?

>>10306980
It depends on what game you want to map for, Xmapedit for Blood and Mapster32 for Duke, SW and IF. The hotkeys between editors are basically the same but Blood uses a unique (and better) scripting system for sector actions and whatnot. Here are the keybinds, keep in mind you pan the 2d grid with right mouse.
http://www.baitd.bloodgame.ru/files/bme_ilmhb/subpages/MAPEDIT_KEYS.htm

and some tutorials, check out davox designs video on IF mapping as well, very helpful.

https://blood-wiki.org/index.php?title=MapEdit

https://youtu.be/NZzVRKzNWGc?si=5hJHnqgZEgPF0QEu

>>10307023
Forgot to mention I printed / wrote down the keybinds while learning the editor, it really helped me out.

>>10306987

So is 94 protons still getting cockblocked or what?

>>10307080
I assure you anon, I'm still working on the unnecessary sprite edit for the plasma rifle. Please wait warmly.

>>10304993
You should probably report that to Qmaster, the head of Mjolnir, anon.

>>10305195
I started a speedmap for VR2 but work has been cockblocking me like never before. Just got off an 11 hour shift and my body is begging me to sleep so I'll do that.

>>10306882

oh i get it. it's like because he walks into funeral service, he says open for business because that place is about to have a lot of new clients
ha..ha.. that's so funny, haaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

>>10307125

>>10307125
Congratulations, Anon! You finally got a sense of humor.

>>10307125
In my first playthrough i though Caleb was gravekeeper and first level is his house

>>10307125
I'm proud of you, anon.

>>10307125

>>10305195
Ingore vertex wobble clipping.

>>10305195
>>10307274
Other skin.

>>10306346
yep i found that one on goggle, but it's missing all DLCs and spinoffs

>>10305195
Tried to make a doom font

>>10307291
Try changing text color within notepad?

>>10307291
Have you tried changing text color?

>>10307016
Be the change you want to see.

>spend a good 20+ minutes trying to find out why my teleport closet isn't working
>double check the IDs on the linedefs and sectors
>verify sound propagation both in-editor and in-game
>triple check it's not because of where the walk trigger for the floor is
>readjust all the sectors over and over to see if they're too big/close to walk out
And then it turns out I gave them IDs but forgot to give them the teleport trigger

God I hate being retarded

>>10307308
>>10307327
Yeah, but seems like all font colors just breaks it

>>10306193
>>10306614
i guess that FS should be the easier to setup, since the mapset is packaged specifically for it
the other source ports all have their quirks with how the ini should be loaded and where the ogg files should be placed

>>10306807
Doodle completed, now to spend 500 years thinking about how to add gameplay.

>>10307472

>>10307291
Huh, interesting. Never thought of doing something like this. Might be a good excuse for doing something worthwhile by doing the same for Quake since I'm too lazy to get into pixel art or mapping/modding.

>>10306526
If your computer was an ancient piece of shit (and it wasn't the KexQ2 port you're using) this would just result in a GZ_getspace_oferflow error if not a plain CTD
>Loki's cat kept meowing at a secret I already obtained, but since I was in the wrong spot when the glass wall shattered it didn't registered as discorevered - no clue what else could I miss there for the other one I had omitted...
I think that these giant levels of Ep.4 are supposed to be ran via ShotgunStart - I already did so with the secret level to make it acually challenging

>doom slaughterfest
more like dumb slog-cringefest lol

>>10307274
>>10307279
>play Quake
>turn corner and see this
>my PP explode
>????
>die
wtf anon, how is this fair?

>>10305135
>>10305137
Both of these visual themes look really cool

>>10307274
>bouncing breasts
Ted Backman is proud of you, anon.

>implying that even so with much shit plastered onto it, I'd ever NOT recognize the Quake2's Upper Palace doors from a mile away

>>10307274
>>10307279
This somehow reminded me that MadFox made an Alexis Sincaire model for his Freeport City Dam last year, but she's missing a custom head gib - so please don't do the same mistake

>>10307701
Skill issue.
>>10307875
Thanks, though I'll likely have to tone it down a bit since MDL wobble makes them clip through the dress, and it's only going to get worse as I add more animations that increase the largest bounding box (and thus vertex grid size). No way to preview that in Blender unfortunately.
Also I was very much inspired by Paul Steed (rest in tits) and a recommend anyone getting into early-3D game modeling read his book, which is still very applicable to Blender and game modeling in general: https://ricardocasarino.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/paul-steed-wordware-modeling-character-in-3ds-max-2002.pdf
>>10307996
A gibbed head will probably be the last thing I get to, but I'll make sure to do it. I'll probably forgo the typical Quake 1 thing of the gibbed head having more detail than the normal model though, since I'm already pushing well beyond a typical Quake 1 level of detail.

HL2 beta was leaked 20 years ago

Anyone know what's the best way of playing Quake on Win2000? I'm thinking GLQuake, but I don't have any music with it.

>>10308226
Quakespasm.

>>10308087
GET YOUR FREE TVS!

>>10308226
>GLQuake
Ewww... Why not just good-old WinQuake with Daemon Tools 3.47 for music?

>>10307875
Not to talk about Paul Steed.

>>10308226
Quakespasm, then go and copy the musix tracks into the music folder in the id1 folder.

>>10307279
>>10307274
Lovely work. After messing around with mdl.exe I think it's time to try Blender myself.
>>10307991
I plan on going back to this. The third episode was good and I was loving e4m1. I'm still having fun tinkering with all this Q2 stuff.

>>10304870
The All-Ghosts Forest released, a vanilla-compatible horror wad.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/140641-the-all-ghosts-forest-rc1-a-vanilla-compatible-horror-map/

>>10308405
Is it actual horror or ghoul forest "horror"?

>>10308405
What is this? A flashlight? A fleshlight?

>>10308408
>inspired by the Ghoul's Forest serie and other popular spooky wads
not looking good

Which console shooters are worth playing?

>>10308481
Powerslave (Saturn), Medal of Honor and Underground, 3D0 version of Wolfenstein 3D, Turok 1/2/3

>>10308498
Seconding both MoH.
Also I really love The World Is Not Enough on PS1 but most people prefer N64 version and even more people prefer GoldenEye.

>>10308498
Alien Trilogy PSX

>>10308535
Oh yeah I forgot that one

>>10308538
Is the .dll for this just what's used for the Reckoning or does it do something new?

>>10308389
I am having bad performance problems in E4M4 that forces me to beat a map bigger than TerShib2 without reloading, because trying to load a save on that level always results in an SZ_getspace_index_overflow error sooner or later, additionaly corrupting all other saves done on that map
>no wonder these maps lag so badly when looking at open spaces, not only they have the place where you're going to fully modelled on the level as eyecandy, but they also show you a to-scale mockup of the prior 2 levels you went through beforehand to boot...
no wonder this project took a whole decade to get done

>>10308570
I don't know.

>>10308412
That can be a little bit of fun for a short bit. GvH was kind of cool, too.

>>10308481
Goldeneye 007
Doom 64
Duke Nukem 64
Powerslave
Zero Tolerance (if just for a bit)

>>10308594
E4M1 crashes VKQuake for me on any load attempt. I'm using Ironwail for now but it acts wacky so I might look into testing other ports.
>>10308607
Cool. It might be compatible with the 25th Unit then.
>"Twin Towers" map
>all released on April 22 2001
It's cursed too? Nice.
>>10308481
>>10308716
It's not first person but Duke Nukem Zero Hour is really good.

It's SUNDAY NIGHT SHITSHOW time once again!
Fast monster Mayhem18 Purple version this time.

Name: "[TSPG] Sunday Night Shitshow 04: Purple time!"
Password: "paleofwater"

This session was supposed to be Preacher, but I just noticed that it was already played.

>>10308793
You could play it again, it was played way too late last time

>>10308740
Try forcing it to run in sv_protocol 666 instead of 999, be advised that entire chunks of the map might fail to render properly (as seen here)

>>10308716
you forgot Perfect Dark

>>10308594
What project is this? That looks insane

I started playing Peril, the first few maps were pretty fun mostly for novelty/exploration but the amount of wide open space is starting to drag (just played the one with the tech towers and the pirate ship), how does the rest of it hold up? It's crazy that this mod has like 40 levels

duke nukem is so fucking good, i'm glad i gave it a second chance after not liking it the first time i played through it. might have to do with the fact that i'm playing on eduke this time, instead of the 20th anniversary edition (might just be me being retarded but for some reason the movement feels perfect on eduke while i remember it being shitty on 20th anniversary edition), dunno if any anon has experienced the same thing

>>10308997
Mjolnir

>>10308740
>Ironwail
Did the main build of Ironwail ever fix the crash from mj4m4 (IIRC) having an oversized model, or do you still have to use the version it ships with?

>>10309036
>how does the rest of it hold up?
Pretty much the same. Gargantuan maps, lots of dead space, cool set pieces scattered around. Really seems like it needed an editor to come through and hack 2/3 of it out to just leave the good bits. Also no plot payoff in the end, it just restarts.

So after yesterday's discussion, whou would be up for a Shadow Warrior mapping project? I guess I have to work myself into mapster32 first, but I'm surely not the only one.
2 questions, please don't be mad at me. First, any recommended resources besides what the other anon linked?
Second, does mapster 32 support Linux?

>>10309139
Title suggestion: "Wang and Bang with /vr/" or "Who /vr/ant some wang".

>>10309149
>Wang and Bang with /vr/
Might send the wrong message considering SW's deathmatch mode is called "Wangbang"

https://youtu.be/hkTpJb1QOPk

I am completely clueless when it comes to 6DoF shooters and flight games, what does the "Release Pitch Lock" option mean in D1X-Rebirth?

>>10309149
/vr/ goes to shanghai
/vr/ipper paradise

GGs, that last map was pure ASS.
>>10308805
Guess I'll host that next sunday then.

>>10309149
We could try get it out by Christmas and call it something like "/vr/s chinese christmas" or "/vr/ wishes a wangy christmas"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gQ4mfaw-qo

>>10304892
What exactly does accuracy means here?
For comparison, is GZDOOM considered accurate for Doom?

>Quake 2 remaster finally fixes the iconic Kex jitter if you enable VSync
holy shit lads

Is there any 40K themed total conversion wad?

>>10309197
ggs

>>10309091
That's too bad, I've really liked some of the setpieces and exploration, especially on the first map, I kept thinking "younger me would've played the shit out of this for ages", but it worked better with that highly vertical futuristic city and all the flying transports than it does with a samey multistory cave. I guess I'll keep the rest of the playthrough super casual but man it'd be cool to see some of these more fleshed out and detailed.

>>10309281
Boltgun

>>10309360
That's more of an arena shooter, it's really what I expected.

Is there any map pack that works with the re release of Quake 2? Beause I finished all the campaigns

>>10308607
Yeah it seems to work fine. I want to play this first though.
>>10309281
There's some "Death Korps vs Cultists" themes with Trenchfoot. It's not Doom but there's a 40k themed level in Violent Rumble that's amazing.

>>10309376
>Trenchfoot
I've been waiting for so very long...

>>10309376
I've seen that mod looks good. Looks like it has been inspired by the Siege of Vraks

>>10308793
>This session was supposed to be Preacher
whoops

>>10309249
/vr/ doesn't even know. They use it as flimsy excuse to bitch about any emulator or port they didn't use when they were 12

>>10309149
Bich Nga

>>10309459
Forgot pic. There are more funny names like this. Remember Captain Sum Ting Wong?

>>10308405
>Vanilla Compatible
>doesn't work with Zandronum
How?

>>10309487
>doesn't work with Zandronum
>works with skulltag (with "minor bugs")
That's a real headscratcher

>>10309443
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1010750/discussions/0/1644292444647662838/

>>10309249
>>10309443
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1010750/discussions/0/1644292444647662838/
I’m not sure exactly what >>10304892 means by “accuracy” but this is a big list of differences between vanilla. I don’t recall it being updated since then.

>>10309249
Accuracy is a short term meaning for anything that would differ from the original game logic. Kex uses floating point throughout it's internal logic, such as collision, hitscanning, sector movements, etc. One example that greatly differs is the spray can damage - the weapon relies on the fixed point inaccuracy for clipmove(). It's also why it doesn't support original demo playback as that would require faithfully recreating the gameloop logic down to random seed entropy and use of fixed point math.
Ranking accuracy would be as following for all blood ports.
NotBlood/BuildGDX/NBlood>Raze>Fresh Supply
NotBlood allows the ability to play in vanilla mode, which is game tick accurate to the original 1.21 release. BuildGDX offers the same vanilla mode feature as well, while NBlood locks this mode to demo playback only. Raze did have demo playback support but they dropped it when they revamped the input system across all of their supported build games, but it still is based on NBlood.
>How do you know if NotBlood is even demo accurate?
Run NotBlood with the argument -validate and it'll process 11 hours of demos, and compare the random seed, health and position of player with results extracted from 1.21 DOS binary. I use this to confirm upstream commits and test if they've broken demo compatibility (it has happened a few times).

>>10309463
on to something here

>>10309369
This: https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/defensive-measures1
And a map by quakewulf called debase
I'm not aware of anything else.

>>10309592
NTA but maybe Sum Ting /vr/y Wong

>>10309621
I love this one.

>>10309369
Anything that is entirely vanilla (i.e., no custom gamex86.dll) will run fine, and just require the lighting recompiled with something that supports lit warps (latest Arghrad is best, ericw's tools tend to make things really bright).
Model replacements can get a bit fucky, since Q2R fiddles with them on its own. Juggernaut, for example, has issues with its replacements.

>>10309621
can't be topped

>>10309645
So I'm guessing that Zaero doesn't work

>>10309249
Clarified accuracy and custom mod support as both were vague terms anyway.

>>10308481
Duke Nukem Advance
Doom 64
Doom PSX

Of course, I used emulation and source ports with upscaled graphics and custom controls so that might not count, but they were better that way.

>>10309249
>is GZDOOM considered accurate for Doom?
Nah it's not, especially not at it's default values for shit.

>>10309624
>>10309668
glad to be of service, anons

>>10309680
No, because it's got a custom gamex86 so would need to be rebuilt on the re-release's source code. In theory it's not too hard since it's mostly just C->C++, but it does require effort put in.
At least the Zaero source is still available.

>>10309682
So if i want to play with Blood mods, i go with NotBlood?

Just re-replyan
>>10294036
>>10298538

>>10309696
Yes. DESU any of the ports listed will be fine unless you're playing Eviction (the only mod to use custom scripting atm)

>>10309139
Mapster 32 actually has quite a few different keybinds compared to mapedit, I erroneously assumed they would be near identical.

https://wiki.eduke32.com/wiki/Build/Mapster32_Keyboard_Commands

along with that, here's some documentation for the ST1 sprite scripting and mapster32 SW script set, since swmapster apparently has problems.

http://www.jonhunt.com/redneck/sw/spritags.html#Hitag%2092

https://swforum05.proboards.com/thread/153/sw-mapping-mapster32

this site also has some good information and user maps / campaigns

http://swcentral.weebly.com/build-editor-information.html

I'm pretty sure you can run mapster in wine but I haven't tried it. Planning on making a mapping kit zip by tommorow as well. There's also a shit ton of empty tiles for sprite and texture sets, just zip them up and put it on catbox or something.

>>10309621
>Sum Ting /vr/y Wong

Outstanding title

>>10309705
Very well. Thank you, anon.

>>10305230
NTA but I added a mod list and updated the tree. If any anons have more mod suggestions I'll add them.

>>10305796
I'll make a hl map for quake

>>10305796
Maybe host some Sven.

>>10309796
How's that gonna work?

>>10309803
a normal map called some stupid scientific shit

Have you guys tried this mod?

https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/md5-arachnid-for-quake-2-remastered

>>10309074
Duke E1 is a "lightning in the bottle" thing, imagine playing it in 95 straight after Doom2 and Heretic.

>>10309443
You act as if it's difficult.

GzDoom isn't strictly 100% accurate, as it doesn't run demos, and it uses true RNG instead of the pRNG, but in terms of actually playing, the difference RNG and pRNG is impossibly subtle, GzDoom approximates all the values and monster behavior very well.

The main differences is that by default, GzDoom has freelook on, and uses full monster-player collision (as in monsters and players can move above and below each other freely when the room is there, like in Heretic), and that GzDoom uses a more precise hit detection. The better hit detection means that player melee works MUCH better, like your fist and saw actually connecting properly to big monster hitboxes, instead of like vanilla where it won't, and only kind of barely works on fatsos, arachnos, cybers, and spiders, if you wiggle your mouse left and right. The better hit detection also gives you slightly better BFG functionality in limited circumstances, like being able to oneshot the spider (though very rarely).

There's also some vanilla mapping tricks which won't work properly in GzDoom, but not that many, and they're not used that often.

>>10309878
Oh right, the better hit detection means that mancubus fireballs won't occasionally slip through solid walls, as they sometimes do in vanilla.

>>10309459
>>10309463
I like this.

>>10309621
Ok, that's even better than Bich Nga. Maybe Bich Nga could be a level?

>>10308481
>>10308716
>Doom 64
Quake 2 64 is surprisingly solid too.

>>10309186
I love seeing neat-looking custom Infantry-manned rocket turrets like this one

>>10309174
been a while since I played it, but it had the option to softly stick you to the nearest surface, that's probably it. it tries to keep the view direction parallel to the "ground", kinda like how Quake behaves on slopes without mouselook.

>>10309823
>guns are no longer God-knows what but actual Railguns
Neat stuff by itself, but now you realize that the old janky model could now be hypothetically repurposed as a custom Arachnid variant using either an Akimbo Phlanax or a dual-RL's by the next wannabe Milous/A.soldier_of_light

>>10304868
>playing blood for the first time in a decade
>finally get to the end of level 2
>hah i better make sure i get all the secrets
>decide to run down the train tracks
>this is a really fucking long tunnel
>what the fuck? its circling the whole map
>TRAIN WHISTLE

>>10310014
classic prank

what are the best doom/retro fps irc channels?

>>10309036
Is the animu portrait part of that mod, or were you feeling extra weeby today?

>>10310173
That's part of it.

>>10309795
who tf cares about demo playback in blod?

Shotgun or Machine-Gun?

>>10310213
Then Raze is for you anon!

>>10310217
I like the chaingun's flexibility and DPS, but the shotgun is also a safe bet, as shells are usually more common.

>>10310217
You mean for Cacos specifically? For me it's the chain gun. I've always found shotgunning them annoying

>>10310228
Yeah, Cacos specifically

Isn't it fucked up and unfair that Heretic is a good game with good levels and yet it gets almost no attention?

What are some Metroidvania-like WADs?

How many of you have played hundreds of WADs but never completed the original IWADs?

>>10310210
Does she talk/yell in japanese when getting harmed?

>>10310235
Equally just as wierd in how only Hexen and Withchaven aside from it are the only games I know of that can count as "fantasy FPS"

My House
https://youtu.be/zp4G6fd3aJ0?si=eJ-0erv9IoHXv6xq

>>10310329
Gone Homo did it better

>>10310269
quake 1 is pretty much a fantasy fps most of the time

>>10309074
>dunno if any anon has experienced the same thing
I know what you mean. The mouse control in the World Tour edition feels bad, and I never finished the levels as a result, but I played original as a kid and already tested out source ports. It's weird to me that they totally fucked up the controls and that the fan-made ports, which are years older and free, are better. Fot example, aside from the shitty mouse control, if you decide to turn off vertical mouse look to play the game how it originally came, you can turn off mouse-look.. but there is no toggle for slope-tilting, leaving you blind on slopes!

>>10309962
This has a real cute one in it. This set is starting to become a favorite and I only pulled it from a list in this “Quake 2 Superpack” I grabbed, feels great.
>>10310217
If I’m messing around the original episodes and he’s getting in my face, I’ll bully him with a chaingun stunlock. Otherwise yeah, I’ll save ammo for everything else and feed him shells.
>>10309689
>>10310235
>heretic needed
It’s great with some solid improvements to the formula. It at least feels more relevant than poor old Descent.

Did you guys know that Lost Souls only have 105 tics of memory?

>>10310398
I forgot from decino's monster behavior video, is that different from the other monsters?

How many of you have played hundreds of WADs but never completed the original IWADs?

>>10310245
>>10310413
Is this the same post?
I’ve completed all the iwads but never the Master Levels fwiw

>>10310413
I only have a handful of PWADs in which I've actually completed each map. I've never played E4 of Ultimate Doom, and I haven't beaten the last couple maps of Doom II, let alone most of TNT or Plutonia.
I have a problem completing shit... Except Quake, I fucking love that game so God damn much. I replay a different episode like once a week at least.

>>10310413
I finished Plutonia this year

>>10310413
Anyone who is like this needs to get off his high horse and check his priorities and taste.

>>10310413
I didn't grow up with Final Doom, so I've never finished TNT and I only did a full playthrough of Plutonia last year with Hideous Destructor.

>>10310413
Still never finished TNT.
>>10309795
Nice. Later this week I'll try adding some pictures akin to the doom infographic with some short descriptions.

>>10310345
Maybe if you run it thru AD or Drake or /vr/

>>10308065
Are those ladies pure eyecandy, or will they try to kill you?

>>10308087
Still feels like yesterday...

>>10309281
There's one for Doom but it's late 90s stuff and not very good.

>>10308412
>and other popular spooky wads
i'm already so tired of it.

>>10310217
My go to is
>Rockets when they are bunched up
>SSG when I need to clear out some for space or kill them quickly
>Chaingun when fighting 2+ that are lined up. This stuns the front Caco and uses him as a shield for the other attacks

>>10310413
TNT is bad

>>10310413
I can't finish doom 2, it blows

>>10310526
I literally cannot play any Doom(2) mod/WAD that doesn't allow you to jump - I blame Hexen for that since it was my first game using iDtech1

>>10310670
you don't need to jump

>>10310670
So like, all of them?

>>10302846
I have little if any lingering memories of playing CoS, Q2 maps utilizing the vanilla content felt strangely bland to me compared to simmillar fare with Q1 for some reason
>this guy was looking much better when he had that sky-blue paintjob, despite how you could almost taste those stretched pixels

>>10310682
I know but I just want to, and it honestly should've been a thing by default so that people wouldn't brush-off Doom2 as a "mission pack sequel"
>>10310715
All but Zrift and that Quake2 TC

>>10304870
I might make a map later if I have time, would it be OK for me to add a texture?

>>10310615
Np - one last thing I forgot was to swap links [7] and [8].

>>10310623
>Maybe if you run it thru AD or Drake or /vr/
Friendship ended with Drake now Keep is my best friend. Seriously though I’m going to say it again like a broken record: Playing Tronyn’s other work before Mjolnir was perfect. That guy loves the “fantasy Quake”.
>Sinclair WITHOUT ugly mug and is pretty
That’s also a big relief. I was expecting the worst from the thumbnail.
>>10310738
It might try it after Forces of Evil. 1964 and Earth were very good and memorable. Pure vanilla maps are ripe for testing through expansion changes and gameplay mods.
>>10310754
>brush-off 2 as a "mission pack sequel"
There’s no “brushing off” how influential 2’s additions were otherwise.

Just beat Thy Flesh Consumed for the first time. Always used to think this was some ultra hardcore trial of endurance but it's actually really tame. Some of the best maps of the series though for sure

Do you play WADs with mouselook and jumping?

>>10310810
It's just the first two maps that are a nasty surprise if you're coming in on UV fresh out of Inferno.

What are some essentials WADs for someone who's new to DOOM mods?

>>10310813
Define what you mean by “mouselook”: Full mouselook for both x and y, or just horizontal mouselook with the y-axis as movement?

>>10310820
Go to Doomworld and look at the Cacowards pages and choose what you like. There's also that recommendation chart that people used to post

>>10310820
Custom WADs are pretty diverse, as a good examples of completely different directions I can suggest Extermination Day, REKKR and Ancient Aliens.

>>10310820
For me, Going Down and Pirate Doom is what got me into Doom mdos

>>10310813
I don't jump but I don't disable it either. freelook.
I wish GZ and Eternity had the option to allow freelook while forcing autoaim, like DSDA or Nugget.

>>10310265
No, she uses the Q2 female SFX.

>>10310901
You can play with the autoaim enabled while full mouselooking in Gzdoom. Do Nugget and DSDA have even stricter freelook+autoaim options?

>>10310813
Used to play with freelook but stopped, jump if the wad requires it.

>>10310912
>Do Nugget and DSDA have even stricter freelook+autoaim options?
yeah. if there are no targets in the autoaim range, the weapons shoot forward. as they should - to avoid breaking shootable switch secrets, icon of sin fights, and the (admittedly rare) "snipers with high ground" encounters

>>10310912
It just tilts the camera in those ports, the bullets don't go upward because you are looking up.

>>10310623
>Are those ladies pure eyecandy, or will they try to kill you?
They will very much try to kill you with their daggers if close enough, and probably have a kick attack as well.
The goth one will summon enemies, teleport behind the player for sneaky stabbing, and drain health (potentially of other monsters) to heal herself.
The blonde one will toss flames at the player, resurrect dead enemies, and occasionally run at blinding speed in a circle around the player - leaving a trail of flames that start small enough to jump over but grow very tall after couple seconds.

>>10310930
>>10310936
That sounds like the best “freelook autoaim” feature for Doom I’ve ever heard of. I’m glad I got into Nugget recently.

Sorting thru the contents of the various model files of CodeRed made me realize something about an innate feature the Quake(2) engine barely used to any serious extent - you can theoreticly make entities composed of multiple models stitched together (Armagon most famously), and then just force them to jettison with a mid-animation skin change to simulate realistic gibbing a'la how LithTech does it, or "strategic dismemberment" simillar to Chasm's biggest selling point (also I'm pretty sure that's exactly how does the SiN's SMG recoiling slide works in order to not make the v_weap model turn into a jittery mess at lower resolutions), so why does anyone need to use UE4 for their retro FPS project again?
(other than not being autistic enough to use GZdoom for everything?)

>>10310813
Mouselook is a must even if it's a pure placebo, also I wish that more games allowed you to aim your gun independently from what you're looking at (like it is possible in CyClones and Tresspasser)

>>10310803
>There’s no “brushing off” how influential 2’s additions were otherwise.
I only played both Dooms to completion back-to-back on the GBA (in adittion to that one GBA Duke Nukem game and some 2 other FPS games made for it I don't remember the names of) over the span of one lazy summer about 20 years ago, so there's a big chance I have no idea how much Doom2 has expanded upon D1
Whoah, you gave me so many (you)s by relpying to all of my posts

>>10310994
>Back at the Front
Another one added to the “play” list.
I hope you aren’t getting irritated at me doing this but you keep showing off fun looking maps…
>>10311015
>also I wish that more games allowed you to aim your gun independently from what you're looking at (like it is possible in CyClones and Tresspasser)
This has been making some kind of comeback with some of the more “realistic” modern shooters. I first was aware of it being a comeback trend when I played Underhell: In a span of 15 minutes I went from hating to loving it.
System Shock was the first to do this, wasn’t it? It would really suit HD and HD-likes.
>so there's a big chance I have no idea how much Doom2 has expanded upon D1
I like to think it plugged all the holes. In Doom there was no enemy between a caco and baron of hell: Hellknights, archviles, mancubi, arachnotrons, all these guys are great and then you have the boner bros and chaingunners. It also added the super shotgun so there wasn’t a giant gap of effectiveness between the chaingun and rocket launcher.
>spoiler
Noice here’s another.

>>10310947
>resurrect dead enemies
I am having flashbacks to The Altar of Storms and I am happy that the Mjolnir's Fallen Angels can't do that yet (but they totally should as all they do ATM is just be ammo sponges - or in the case of the transparent ones, be the Quoth's Nightgaunt on steroids once in a while)

>>10311015
>so why does anyone need to use UE4 for their retro FPS project again?
The average Joe hasn't enough intelligence to learn how to use any other tool that Unreal or Unity.
Doing maps for both Doom and Quake is now a walk in the park when using the adequate editor

>>10310413
never played plutonia before, i just pretend that I did.

>>10310820
Aliens: Eradication TC. It fucking rules. I'm a bit biased because I'm a massive fan of Alien/Aliens, but the gameplay is legitimately gud. My very favorite Doom mod.
Also, Ashes 2063

>>10311208
Is that one 'THE' Aliens mod which was infamously canned by 20th Century Fox?

>>10311015
>so why does anyone need to use UE4 for their retro FPS project again?
>(other than not being autistic enough to use GZdoom for everything?)
You just work with the tools you're most familiar with, it's that simple.
Even if you're a complete newbie who is learning his ways in game development, you're more likely to look in the direction of Unreal Engine/Unity/Godot/etc because it would be more practical for person's (dare I say it) career in the long run.

>>10310947
I've got a great idea for you! You could make that Tank/Iron Maidens easter egg reference in your mod: those pretty women hugging a Shambler!

>>10311254
That was Aliens TC for Quake

>>10311313
I actually want to do something like that, I'm just worried about running out of animation frames because I have multiple extra idle options (sitting, lying seductively, praying, etc.) and their transitions to running. 256 frames is max for MDL.

>>10310813
Sure, I don't usually use jumping unless it's intended by the map or TC or I've got the bullshit like the softlock in Nirvana but I don't get caught up over that crap.

Often the people who obsess over mouselook are playing with shit like infinite monster height disabled and that can be as big a change to how a map was intended to be played, especially for vanilla ones.

>>10304870
I finished my map for Ad Mortem : https://files.catbox.moe/x52f5l.zip

Title : Keranen Barracks
Music : Silence
Author : joe-ilya

>>10311375
I don't even think there's an option to disable infinite height in DSDA (unlike jumping).
with things like free-aim or zdoom invisibility, there are actual obvious changes to how the encounters play out, and it's very easy to establish intent.
what's useful about infinite height? getting exploded by cyb rockets fired at off-screen caco clouds? getting softlocked by unreachable enemies below a ledge?

>>10311489
>I don't even think there's an option to disable infinite height in DSDA (unlike jumping).
Not a surprise since it's intended for speedrunning.
>what's useful about infinite height? getting exploded by cyb rockets fired at off-screen caco clouds? getting softlocked by unreachable enemies below a ledge?
Prior to source ports and crap, maps were designed with it as a fact of mapping, suddenly it becomes easy to skip encounters by just jumping over some mobs or running under a caco horde.

>>10310664
DOOM 2 really is a slog compared to DOOM, a lot of Sandy levels, Archviles, Revenants and Pain Elementals are annoying. The Super Shotgun carries DOOM 2

>>10311542
Doom was a lot of Sandy levels after E1 too.

>>10310413
I finished vanilla DOOM 1, 2 and No Rest for The Living before attempting to mod anything. No way in hell I'm gonna do that for Heretic but sometime I'll get around to TNT and Plutonia, I just need to find the time.
>>10311542
DOOM 2 is much less of a slog than 1, mostly because of the super shotgun that makes pain elementals so much less annoying and the higher enemy variety, even if one of those new enemies is the fucking pain elements. I hate them.

>>10310813
Yes.

>>10310813

>>10310813
never jumps or crouches, sometimes freelook depending on the wad

>>10309036
>recolored Nagatoro

Why.

>>10310813
Yes and I open WADs in SLADE and re-enable crouching and jumping if they're disabled. But I don't sequence break with them.

>>10311670
I re-enable them in them in slade and then I edit the maps to require jumping and ducking to progress.

>>10311670
>re-enable crouching and jumping if they're disabled
in GZ you can simply put sv_freelook 2; sv_jump 2; sv_crouch 2 into your autoexec
unless we're talking some advanced zscript fuckery or something

>>10311670

>>10310413
I can replay every other IWAD from start to finish any day of the week, but by the time I reach Stronghold in TNT, I drop that shit faster than a ticking bomb and don't pick it up until I conveniently forget why I hated it.

You are on a ship!
"Marine.........hey......." The voices are back but ignore them,
concentrate.........A ship.
You remember planetfall upon Stroggos.........the fire fight....
screams and burning skin. A base, huge gates....Tanks.

Oh yeah, Tanks.....loads of the mothers. Huge stomping hydraulic
feet, organic fright masks ripped from the bodys of the fallen.
And then a ship........You were captured.....
You are in a holding cell.....You may be mad.....

>>10311619
>DOOM 2 is much less of a slog than 1, mostly because of the super shotgun that makes pain elementals so much less annoying
Yeah I hated fighting the pain elementals in doom 1

>>10311936
KEK
I meant the lost souls. My bad.

>>10311929
Which readme is this from?
>>10311936
>PSX Doom has a chaingunner and pelemental in map01
Brutal

>>10311958
Map pack name?

>>10311958
Castles of Stroggos 3

>>10312210

>>10312175
Forces of Evil, the third one in particular. All three maps were good.
>>10311773
>>10312210
This is pretty fun. First level is strong at the start.
I always think of MDK when running through halls like this.

>>10310235
Hexen II from what little I played is also a great game, I just don't have the time to finish it among all the other shit I want to do, but the point stands that I nary hear a thing about it.

>>10310803
I love Tronyn's Drake works. I'm saddened they didn't give players the option for the Keep devkit to have the shotguns function as they do in Drake, but otherwise I just really REALLY hope Tronyn redoes all his maps for id1 and otherwise for Keep with the next Mjolnir update(s).

>>10311542
Reninder that Sandy Petersen's first DOOM map was E2M6, and that Sandy's first DOOM map had a fake exit

>>10312327
>Reninder that Sandy Petersen's first DOOM map was E2M6
Man that's wild. Here I am worrying sick about adding detail to my maps.

>>10312332

>>10312336

Looks like Blood: Dead on Arrival got purged from Moddb, I wonder what happened.

How active is the Quake modding scene compared to Doom's?

>>10312359
Smaller but still more content than you can play in your life

>>10312359
Not very, and most of the mods being made don't really stretch vanilla QuakeC limitations. Imagine Doom modding minus anything made specifically for GZDoom, except maybe even more sparse.
Everyone just wants to map for vanilla (or Copper) I guess.

>>10312345
moddb has files from like 2005 so I imagine it was a developer thing

>>10312359
Both mapping and modding are smaller, it's patently ridiculous to compare Quake's to Doom's.

>>10312378
Yeah the only other time something has vanished was with that Spongebob wad.

>>10312327
I'm replaying Ultimate Doom, and after just finishing E2, I get the Sandy hate a lot more now. It's pretty fukken rough, and I can only imagine the disappointment if I had played it for the first time after buying Doom because of how solid E1 is.
Why the FUCK does he love Pinkies so much???
I still like a lot of his Doom 2 and Quake maps tho.

>>10312437
>Why the FUCK does he love Pinkies so much???
Lack of any other non-flying meaty mob without resorting to barons.

>>10312437
Shores of Hell is the best episode.

sus

>>10311339
Why not just make a duplicate model with the same skins just for the easter egg animations, maybe even also give them wine cups optionally?

>>10312339
>>10312336
>>10312332
Yuri Davidov's Q2 maps are the epitome of "short but sweet"
Be wary to also play his Space Odysseys mapset in one sitting

has any of the blood source ports adopted the oakisland cheat or is it still exclusive to fresh supply?

Spent the last 2 days making my first ever doom map.
It's a lot of fun :)

>>10309620
i simply did a quick arghrad on that one, it has some lightning issues but just open console and add flashlight

>>10312210
This one and the second chapter needs to be ported ASAP for Q2R

Can someone please decompile the DLL file and rebuild the code from scratch

>>10312437
>I can only imagine the disappointment if I had played it for the first time after buying Doom
I think you missed the part where Doom is one of the most successful games of all time. Having played the game as a deeply impressionable child, Sandy levels like e2m2 are the ones I remember the most vividly, aside from Romero's

Sum Ting /vr/y Wong, a /vr/ Shadow Warrior Project!
Let's be better than 92 Protons of never!

>>10309713
Gave some ressources for Mapster32!

Replies to this for people who would be willing to map.

>>10312893
>Let's be better than 92 Protons of never!
2023 has been a rough year for /vr/ mapping.

>>10312893
>>10309713
In case you use mapster32, note that even with the scripts the scale of the view is still off. Shadow Warrior uses a scale that is about 40% bigger than Duke Nukem 3D, so if you use mapster32 for it the scale in 3D mode is off. Remember that and make sure you test your map when starting it to get the right feel from the start.

>>10312905
Are there even alternatives if it comes to Shadow Warrior mapping?
>>10312904
It sure has.

>>10312904
and a strong warning about the dangers of scope creep.

>>10312792
Is it done? If so, post it! If not, keep at it, and let us know when you finish!

>>10312893
Anon, leave that after the Quake 2 Remastered project
Its time mainly now that the remaster is out and to show everyone that /vr/ can pull Violent Rumble quality even on Q2R

>>10309463
https://youtu.be/CaOkTKfxu44?si=ztGYEdFRsNus0Rso

>>10312904
Yeah, we went from having one of the best years for /vr/ mapping to one of the worst. A certain horsefucker replacing captain mozzarella doesn't help.

>>10312904
Been a mediocre year for mapping in general. Across /vr/, doom in general, and personally.
Some of that is probably just my outlook.

>>10313103
I haven't been participating in any community projects because I have my own wad to work on.

>>10313090
You know shit's bad when we're getting landed with the Doomer Board rejects.

>>10313071
Im in to play a /vr/ Quake 2 project if the anons here does it, in fact it is possible to export Doom wad into .map or obj thanks to GZDoom builder

>>10312943
No custom enemies, no new weapons, just some enjoyable maps made by /vr/.
>>10313071
Not everyone here even cares about Q2 or Q2R. For years Q2 got treated with the same level of "ehh" that Doom 3 gets.

>>10313105
That's reasonable. I participated in one but it was a struggle to make anything playable. All my other projects are non-doom related. 2022 was a pretty good year though.
I'll just take a break from Doom mapping for a bit.

>>10313113
>no one cares for Q2
Q2R killed that false meme

>>10313113
>Not everyone here even cares about Q2 or Q2R. For years Q2 got treated with the same level of "ehh" that Doom 3 gets.
It really isn't that good of a game, some people are just so starved for something to play that they got onto that bandwagon.

>>10313113
Both games are pleb filters

>>10313117
Never said no one. Stop whining Q2 fanboy. It's a simple fact that Q1 is way more popular around here. And even Q1 isn't even at half the popularity of Doom. So yes, me stating that not everyone here cares for Q2 and Q2R is even generous.

>>10313113
>Not everyone here even cares about Q2 or Q2R.
To be fair we are comparing a Q2 project to a Shadow Warrior one, probably the least popular of the three big Build games. That being said, some of the 500ml people were peaking around in here a few days ago and did express some interest in working on one. I think all the people interested in Q2 mapping are in some discord. There’s also a couple here still working on their Violent Rumble content.
>>10313117
This is now avoidable if you’re off the ground when they’re doing it.

>>10313134
Dunno why we aren't making a redneck rampage map set desu

>>10313123
No one was starved to play and this meme was always perpetrated by certain individuals at Quake 1 Community who lives on console war mentality, who got too much power in less than a few years and started to dictate the rules.
Said people even went on to shit on Dusk, PD and Build engine games for years.

And now the Q2R engine and toolset eclipses Q1 as it is of now.
It is ridiculous that due to a few people, an entire community is still divided bickering over X games because they want it.
On which i praise the Doom Community for that and keeping the house united even with source port bickering thanks to Graf.

>>10313130
One of these people being (you)

>>10313139
I would install Redneck Rides Again if that happens, as long as there is a motorcycle only map.

>nooooo stop talking about Q2

Sigil 2 is coming

>>10313139
At least compared to the other three: It has my least favorite weapons and enemies. It’s probably better than Tekwar but I’ve never played that so I can’t say.

>>10313185
Thst secret level looks amazing he showed on his Twitch site.

>>10313139
because it's shit.

>>10313228
Tekwar at least gives you a decent illusion that it might get good at some point if you just keep going - even though that's absolutely false. Redneck Rampage is presents itself as the slogfest that is truly is very early on.

>>10313143
Again, never said that Q2 was shit, nor did I say no one cares. But it is a fact that it is not everyone's favorite around here. Feel free to enjoy it all you want, but it might prove difficult to get a full project together. I for one never touched trenchbroom or it's q2 equivalent.
>>10313134
>probably the least popular of the three big Build games
It's funny how things have shifted in the last 6 or so years. Before that, Blood was the fondly remembered but often forgotten one among the three. Today, everyone's all about blood and shitting on Duke 3D. Shadow Warrior is stable in it's "mid" reputation. And for some (like me), it has always been the best because it captures this "Big Trouble in Little China" meets John Woo feeling perfectly.

>>10313237
HAHAHAHAHAHA RIIIIIIIIIIGHT...

>>10313303
>t's funny how things have shifted in the last 6 or so years. Before that, Blood was the fondly remembered but often forgotten one among the three. Today, everyone's all about blood and shitting on Duke 3D
Some people get their opinions from youtubers.

>>10313185
So what?

>>10313237
Watching Romero motivated me to make maps at higher pace. And also hurt me because he doesn't use advanced tools.

>>10313238
Oh anon...
I DISAGREE!

>>10313309
meant for >>10313185

You will make a HL map on November and you will like it.

>>10313313
Sad times we live in. Thinking for yourself takes to much effort.

>>10313329
I'll make a Half Life map when Trenchbroom gets primitives, prefabs, vertex rotation and scaling, and rotation randomizing. I'm too spoiled by the 3D workspace to go back to JACK, even with its niche features that making detail work much easier.

>>10313117
>Quake2 is decent when you un-fuck it up from the state it was originally shat out the door by Timmy Wallets for a rushed holiday release
I knew that for a fact when I discovered the Lazarus mod on PlanetQuake 20 years ago, I was expecting this to be common knowledge here?

>>10313130
>And even Q1 isn't even at half the popularity of Doom.
NTA but this mentality is a one-way path to accept CoD and Halo as the best FPS games in existance (and we all know how incorrect such a bold statement is)

I LOVE QUAKE 2!!

>>10313345
>rotation randomizing
what does that do?

>>10313369
Like copy/pasting foliage and clutter around but having them turned in random directions so it seems more organic.

This is why no one likes the quake fanbase