/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10290007
The decision to make the second game almost entirely about rural japanese villages surely turned some people off but it has a great atmosphere

>>10290020
It's so cozy

>>10290020
Even as a kid I liked the aesthetic and atmosphere of Gen 2 more than any other gen. Probably helps that I've always loved autumn and GSC have very autumn-y vibes.

>>10290054
Shiny chikorita is autumn themed also. Perfect combination

>>10290060
And in crystal using the odd egg shiny rng, you can breed a shiny chikorita fairly quick.

>>10290020
It's a nice contrast to how Kanto and Gen1 was all cities and urban development with almost no nature left.

>>10290007
Same.

also
>when your game has so much soul it's in the title of the game

>>10290090
Damn that does look comfy

>>10290063
Im going for the shiny chikorita hatched October 1st.

>zoom likes overwhelmingly popular thing
wow. this place needs to bring back the containment board for pokemaggots.

>>10290090
Unfathomably comfy. I can't imagine how comfy it must have been to play HG/SS as a kid.

>>10290054
>>10290060
>>10290083
The color palette, the music, everything is so, so cozy. So autumn-y. It gives Gen II a nostalgia feeling that not even Gen I has

>>10290813
You can't even talk about gen 2 like this in /vp/. It's a cesspool of pokefuckers and pedophiles. This is the only place to safely talk about pokemon.

>>10290020
>>10290054
>dat Bellsprout worshipping temple
k i n o.
There's a legit mythical atmosphere to the gen if you pay attention. Just consider that you have Ho-Oh as a legendary (and Lugia, Xatu, etc.). There's an understated mythical Zen motif to your journey that contrasts to gen I where it is exclusively biological, hence the legendaries being instead Mew/Mewtwo which are relevant due to their dna (I understand this is an obvious choice for a game about monsters, but still).

>>10291223
So Gen I is modern Japan, while Gen II is traditional Japan? Maybe you could say that?

>>10290060
>>10290764
I fucking got it. After about 70 or so eggs. Happy October first everyone!

>>10290007
Gen II has the nicest music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH8Lb1Lk-1M&list=PL2uxd6YWj7PKk4LnkWZEyqpcvnXmv8Iuf&index=47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tlYuqMpKTo&list=PL2uxd6YWj7PKk4LnkWZEyqpcvnXmv8Iuf&index=41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_ZoaAtajiU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmtSAl68peU&list=PL2uxd6YWj7PKk4LnkWZEyqpcvnXmv8Iuf&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbffVF79imM&list=PL2uxd6YWj7PKk4LnkWZEyqpcvnXmv8Iuf&index=99
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAE41t-VLIo&list=PL2uxd6YWj7PKk4LnkWZEyqpcvnXmv8Iuf&index=101

>>10291569
Congrats! Hmm.. what shall we name it? Chiktober?!

>>10290007
I should replay Gen 2 sometime

>>10291996
Sure I can do that.

>>10291213
You say that like there is anyone else still playing Pokémon.

>>10291996

>>10292152
All hail shiny Chiktober, king of the spooky month of Johtober!

>>10292179
Oh, time for Johtoberfest.

I agree completely. I loved Gen 1 but it always felt a little rough around the edges despite being so revolutionary. Gen 2 though is a near perfect game in my mind. I was in college af the time with many long train rides and it was pure wonder. I still have the Goldenrod music in my head.

>>10292207
>>10292179
What a great way to start off johtober!

>>10292237
Goldenrod is fantastic. This game's OST is just so good

>>10292425
My heart broke when I heard how HG/SS ruined that song.

>>10292179
So I decided to shiny breed all three starters. But Im wondering if I should give chiktober an everstone or should I let them all evolve? I'd be lit to beat the E4 with thee unevolved shiny starters but I'm not sure.

>>10290007
I haven’t played Gen 2 in about 20 years.

Should I fire up Crystal in an emulator? Or should I give the DS remake a shot instead?

>>10293289
Crystal, easily. The remakes add too much bullshit and ruin the 8-bit charm.

For me, its Ecruteak at night.

>>10290007
Gen 2 is the best, but I love classic Pokemon in general. Growing up playing those games led me to move to Kanto.

It's a little hard to see today, but I can see Mt Silver from my balcony.

I’ve tried so hard and got so far… it’s time to complete my gen 2 Pokedex.

>>10293368
You are pretty far

>>10293289
Just play both. Crystal first, then go for HG/SS

>>10293314
Damn. So cozy

>>10293321
Awesome

>>10293289
If you have a 3ds/2ds I recommend crystal. You get an odd egg that hatches into either a tyrogue, igglybuff, magby, shmoochum, elekid, pichu or a cleffa. I recommend the pichu because you don't get mareep in crystal which only leaves chinchou as a viable electric type until very late game. Though I'm using chinchou this playthrough (never used it before) and I like it so far. Cute, cuts the weaknesses too.

This thread disgusts me

>>10293368
Unless you have a save backup thingamajig or it's on an everdrive... you will lose your save game. Just get a 2ds, battery never dies(in rom), can send your mon to bank/home/gen7/8/9. Wish there was a way to send gen 1/2 to pokemon ranch. But pelago is nice and violet/scarlet has the best interactive Pokemon camping mechanic, but why can't there just be a fucking universal ranch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VToyayJ4u2k

>>10293506
gen 2 is an addition to gen 1, not a yearly gen 1 clone

>>10293518
if you add a turd to the mona lisa the painting gets worse, you don't get to be like "it's the same painting but with more content so it's even better!"

>>10293524
16 badges
pokemon stadium 2

>>10293510
>you will lose your save game
Imagine not knowing how to change a fucking battery.
It's 2023, the original batteries all died years ago. If he's playing it now and it saves then that means it's got a new battery so he's set for a decade. If he wants to keep his save, there's a million ways to dump it.

>>10293510
You assume I didn't solder a new battery in it

>>10293512
Honestly, the remakes fucked up New Bark Town's music very bad. The og was unbelievably nostalgic and emotional. The new one sounds kinda meh

>>10293545
Did you get a new Duracell or a cheap pack of ten from China?

This thread, of course, would be incomplete without this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XjouKSkSeM

I used to stop playing at the National Park with headphones just to listen to this music. I didn't completely grasp the concept of nostalgia back then.

And, unlike New Bark Town's, they didn't fuck this one up in the remakes, it actually sounds pretty good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxhyvwJRdDA

>>10293524
No that’s not the same thing. Itd be more like if da Vinci painted the Mona Lisa 2 with bigger tots and a prettier face.

>>10293518
They're used to gen 3+ being incredibly formulaic, so they don't know what to do when gen 2 deviates slightly from what they think the "formula" is (replacing all the mons or something).

gen poo needs to stop trying to lump itself with genwon

Lugia was literally a Shudo invention for the movie that was later shoehorned into the game. Sugimori admitted they were conditioned by merch and the anime when designing the gen 2 pokemon.
Izushi said they added all the baby pokemon to appeal to more female players.

""""Red""""'s ace pokemon is a fucking unevolved pikachu because of pokemon yellow which is directly based on the trashnime

there are only 151 pokemon

>>10293582
There’s like 1000 Pokémon, shit for brains. Nobody cares about your head canon “der ownli Juan horndrud foftea poopoomoons” retardation. Sure, it sucks how the franchise went, but you need to face reality anon. WAKE UP STOP IT

>>10293494
Lanturn carried me hard into my last Crystal run. It's a fine substitute for Ampharos.

>>10293616
You know a generation is babyish when this was their interpretation of a ram and an anglerfish

>"I see. Most Pokemon in Gold & Silver were of the cute variety, but this time…”
>Sugimori: “Indeed, there were a lot of kiddy designs, and some fans were starting to say Pokemon had become too babyish, so one theme for Ruby & Sapphire was returning to the coolness of monsters.
>“In your previous interview at the time of Gold & Silver (February 2000 issue), you said when you were designing Pokemon, you had to consider merchandising, and that created some constraints.”
>Sugimori: “Rather than constraints, I’d say we were careful about a lot of things. Like we’d say ‘if we don’t make a Pokemon this way, they’ll be difficult to animate in the TV show.’ We didn’t really think about those kinds of things this time, which might be bad for the anime staff and independent artists.”

>>10293557
Whatever generic battery with tabs that came up on ebay. I shan't be FUDed, it'll last long enough for me.

>>10293626
>MFW I don't give a shit about the designs as they're all just data code with a GIF attached

>>10293637
>MFW I don't give a shit about the defining feature of this game at its most core level
ok bro

>>10293635
Hey anon, you can get battery holders for dirty cheap. You solder those in and then you can use a standard battery that doesn't have tabs. Then the next time you need a battery you won't have to break out the iron and you can use a quality Panasonic battery.

What you have should be fine but I would recommend eventually dumping your save file and installing a battery holder.

>>10293648
I might do that whenever these die. If I have it in me for another run

>>10293664
You don't want to dump your save? It's like a token of your hard work

I'm working on a playthrough of Crystal at the moment. I just reached Asagi City (whatever that one was in English).

So far my team is:
>Bayleef
>Crobat
>Slowpoke
>Growlithe
>Porygon
>Magnemite

I traded in Porygon from Red version now that the time capsule is available.

>>10291228
Gen I is post-war urbanization Tokyo, Gen 2 is post-war urbanization Kyoto/Yokohama. Of course Tokyo absolutely exploded in urbanization after the war while the more rural areas like Kyoto lagged behind.

>>10291223
Fun fact, the Sprout Tower is actually based on Japanese taoism. The petals of the Bellflower (which is what Violet city is named in Japanese) is the taoist symbol representing the 5 traditional Chinese elements, and the Bell itself represents the center or enlightenment. That's also why the Tin Tower in Ecruteak is called the Bell Tower in Japanese and why you do the event there with the Clear Bell.

>>10293719
You've got that wrong. It's pre-urbanized post-war Tokyo.

>>10292152
Were you using a shiny ditto or something?

>>10293750
Of course. It was a one day challenge. I don't think it's plausible to try and breed a shiny in a day unless I was using a shiny parent. Still it was close, took me the whole fucking day.

>>10293717
It’s olivine city

>>10293703
I'll probably keep some of the Pokemon in Stadium but the save, not after I'm done with it. I'm ok with letting go of it after I finish the Pokedex.

>>10293787
Thanks anon.
>>10293814
Get a printer and print your certificate for completing the Pokedex.

>>10293787
NTA but I'm gonna take a minute to bitch about how absolutely fucking worthless the English name translations of the Gen 2 cities are.
New BARK Town for a city whose roof palette is green
Azalea Town for a city whose roof palette is BROWN and is directly named after Cypress wood in Japanese
Olivine for a city named after a blue color (Asagi-iro)
Ecruteak and Cianwood are both just entirely wrong on multiple fronts
It's really frustrating because I feel it buries the lead a bit on some of the cultural references specific to Japan, like Enju City being named after pagoda tree wood. The Gen 1 names are significantly more memorable and better fits for the original names even if they aren't always perfect translations.

>>10293828
That seems to be quite the oversight. Hmmmm well I feel indifferent about this new information, but I have no childhood nostalgia for gen 2 so idk. It’s definitely stupid though

is there a way to play/purchase this game officially from the 3DS store anymore? fucking nutendo being the retards they are have a tendency to gut their own history a lot for the last decade and it means i get to miss out on actually owning these games now. stupid pricks.

>>10290054
Autumnal*
You know English, speak it properly.

>>10293828
Go on Twitter and complain to Nob. You guys bitched and complained when I said I was playing in Japanese but I was specifically trying to avoid localized garbage like this and story changes.

>>10293837
You can use vc injected roms and pksm you can get them to bank. You can trade with an r4 card and battle and whatever else. It’s all there. I use a combination of vc injection, e shop purchases, r4 card and real carts.

>>10293823
>Get a printer and print your certificate for completing the Pokedex.
Isn't the printer paper getting exceedingly rare now?

>>10293719
The kansai* region hasn't lagged behind the kanto region at all in reality. Osaka, Kobe, and Nagoya are all just as modern and urbanised as Tokyo. Kobe actually has a bit of a reputation of being liberal and cosmopolitan compared to the rest of the country. The thing they were going for is because Kyoto is the historical capital of Japan, and escaped a lot of the ravages of WW2 (unlike Tokyo which got firebombed and lost a lot of its historic architecture) so to the Japanese the whole region feels like a connection to their ancestral past, whereas the kanto region represents modernity and the future.
The actual 'rural hick' part of Japan is Tohoku, which from what I remember has a lower population density than Hokkaido. It's where the majority of their farmland and remaining wilderness is.

>>10293909
so i have to hack my fucking 3DS just to play these games ""officially""? that fucking gay. how fucking amazing. thank you nintendo for caring about your legacy, stupid cunts.

>>10293915
The official stuff, sure. Just get a roll of themal paper. You might have to chop it in half or something to get the right size, but thermal paper rolls are still widely used today.

>>10293917
Hacking a 3ds doesn’t stop you from anything anymore.

>>10293917
The game was for sale for years. Why did you wait until after they closed the eShop before deciding to play?

Just play on a Game Boy.

>>10292152
All right /vr/os, it’s on, like Pokémon. Day one of johtober shiny chikorita. Day 2 shiny cyndaquil. Tomorrow I’ll have the shiny totodile. I’m honestly having a great time with this. Happy johtober ya faggots

>>10294149

>>10290090
I know this will ruffle some feathers but HGSS was one of the only times I enjoyed a remake just as much as the original. It's like they really did care about making a good product.
Then they never tried again. I mean ok they tried again with B2W2 and SV if we're being honest, but for the most part pokemon after that was just a machine churning out PRODUCT

>>10292237
>I loved Gen 1 but it always felt a little rough around the edges despite being so revolutionary.
Because it's held together with duct tape, of course it's rough around the edges.

>>10294180
SV is an objective downgrade from LA, was a broken mess at launch

>>10294185
Oh no I agree, it was so broken it's impossible to overlook it. But it felt like they did actually try to do something different, they actually put in some goddamn effort. Sadly, effort doesn't change that they can't code for shit and the game was blatantly unfinished

>>10294149
>>10294151
I'm looking at it, I don't see what's shiny. Is it kinda purple?

>>10292237
>revolutionary
It's a bog standard JRPG that's hard-carried by the monster designs. The only thing it 'revolutionised' was in predatory marketing towards children. The reason you needed two games to fill the pokedex was to FOMObait kids into double-dipping.
In terms of gameplay it's not even that advanced, there are NES games that had more meat to them.

>>10294197
>The reason you needed two games to fill the pokedex was to FOMObait kids into double-dipping.
Anon...you're supposed to trade with your friend who has the other version. The only thing that's predatory is requiring you to buy a link cable, something later games remedied after wi-fi was a thing.

>>10294187
Well again, they just took Legends Arceus and watered it down. And they somehow managed to make it look even more like a GameCube game

>>10294201
You know damn well a LOT of people bought both games. They would even sell double-packs with both games together, if you forgot.

>>10294201
no, he's not wrong. As a die-hard fan of the series, looking back on it and seeing its effects longterm, they knew what they were doing.
Its design philosophy is a lot more predatory than people realise, and ties into the tech evolution in ways that clearly baits kids into indulging into.
Its a great game, sure, but I think we can all drop this facade that this shit was good for the mentally healthy and began an epidemic of addictive compulsions with games. Pokemania was a thing, after all.

>inb4 i get called pearl clutcher, bible thumper, redneck etc despite living nowhere near the US.

>>10294190
Basically, not as cool as chikorita or totodile but the purple is also autumn/Halloween themed as is totodile green. I’m starting to think it was all on purpose…

>>10294207
Ok sure a lot of kids did it anyway, but you never had to.
>They would even sell double-packs with both games together, if you forgot.
Never saw them personally so I wasn't aware of that.

>>10294215
See I disagree, for me the compulsion to buy both versions had nothing to do with catching em all and more to do with the fact that I want to play the story again but I can't without deleting my save because the game only had 1 file. Later in life I kinda stopped caring about that and would reset all the time.

>>10294225
It was the sly intent. It's the same FOMO modern game devs use to goad people into buying into gacha mechanics. Pokemon is literally based on the gachapon machines that would spit out mystery prizes that was popular in Japan back in the day, pokeballs are directly inspired by the look of the capsules they'd use.

>>10294241
>Pokemon is literally based on the gachapon machines that would spit out mystery prizes
It's based on insect collecting. It's normal for boys in Japan to catch insects, and it's especially normal to get kabutomushi or kuwagata and make them fight each other. During development they thought about having Pokemon be obtained buy purchasing them at shops, but that idea was scrapped. The PokeBalls are left over from this idea.
>that was popular in Japan back in the day
Back in the day???

>>10294340
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gashapon
Dumbarse

>>10294514
They're still extremely popular today, dumbass.

>>10294550
And it was back in the day, too. Stop defelxting; my POINT was that Pokemon was directly inspired by that sort of marketing scheme. I love pokemon, but I'm under no pretence that they didn't basically design it to be crack for 8 year olds. I dunno if you remember, but adults were saying exactly that back in the day. That it was marketed towards kids in a predatory way.

>>10293828
That's a natural problem related to cultural differences. Dragon Ball is also crawling with inside jokes that only the Japanese get

>>10294567
And now we are all pokecrack addicts.

>>10294567
No they didn't. Game Freak was just a small studio and got lucky with a good concept. Much of the game itself was inspired by a certain other Game Boy game (this is even noted in the biography book about Satoshi Tajiri). They weren't making crack.
>>10294659
Basically every game, anime or whatever has to be changed in translation because much of it either won't make sense in the other language, or the context is heavily dependent on things that don't exist in the other markets/language spheres. This is especially true for comedy. And in the cast of stuff targeted at kids like Pokemon, a lot of stuff also gets changed in translation due to cultural differences surrounding what kids are allowed to be exposed to.
>>10294731
Are you also a pokeporn addict?

>>10294762
> Are you also a pokeporn addict?
No, I’m a shiny hunter. In some ways it’s worse…;(

>>10294762
I still miss Nob, though. The TPC localizers feel so much more soulless.

>>10294762
>bro they were small that means they are good. Big studio = automatically evil, small studio = automatically good! Always punch up, class war now
Yawn

>>10293837
Just hack your 3DS. Even better, you can use a patched ROM that fixes all the game bugs, and still keep the new wireless trade feature.

she cute

>>10290821
>>10290090
I don't know why but Pokemon games will always be something I associate/play in the autumn. I guess maybe some of the games came out in autumn so they'd be on shelves for the Christmas rush?

>>10293506
Gen 2 has my favorite pokedex desu i love all of them so much

>>10294957
Eh. Nine generations of Pokemon and they're all the same to me design-wise.

>>10295059
interesting, since there have been new designers with their own style since then, and sugimori himself has admitted to changing design philosophy over the years

>>10294821
>the the

>>10294821
Nob was the best, but I would still prefer to play the original unlocalized version.
>>10294854
That's not at all what I said, retard.

>>10295069
What does Sugimori even do anymore, if anything?

>>10290090
>>10290007
Is Crystal the best version or does it fuck something up or has a bad start (like expecting you played the other versions already)?

Want to give Pokémon a chance. Crystal seems like the complete edition

>>10295172
The consensus itt seems to be that Crystal is the most complete version. Personally I dont care for the legendary dogs and prefer the Pokemons in Gold and Silver. So I usually go with Gold version.

>>10295172
Crystal is easily the definitive version of the Gen 2 games, but the games do expect you to have played the Gen 1 games prior to them.

>>10295172
The only thing keeping it from being the definitive version is that it lacks Mareep.

>>10295195
why do you do this in every gen 2 thread

>>10295172
had it in my head for a long time g/s was the way to go but i did a triple run recently and played them all. i can say i was a fool, crystal is for sure the definitive version. only thing i didn't like was no ampharos. but hey, that's what trading is for.
>>10295197
it's a cool mon

>>10295186
>but the games do expect you to have played the Gen 1 games prior to them.
How so?

>>10295212
Gen 2 is unique in that it was designed to be more like a sequel to Gen 1 whereas the later gens are more standalone. It's set in a neighboring region to that of Gen 1 and takes place several years after the events that took place there. The story regularly calls back to those events, and one of the endgame battles has a lot more weight to it if you've played Gen 1 first.

>>10295221
This, plus there's Pokemon you can only get by trading with Gen1, namely the three starters, the fossils, and the legendary Pokemon.

>>10295224
how many people actually bothered going for a full pokedex?

>>10295230
The ones who were lucky enough to come into owning a second Game Boy. In any case, between ROM hacks and PkHeX, there's no excuse for not getting the full 251.

>>10295172
It gives a legendary mon a bit too easily, but animation and other bonuses tend to make it worth it.

>>10295221
Yeah, Gen 2 is really just "Pokemon 2". Hence why Rocket are still the bad guys, it's a continuation of the events of gen 1, most of the pokemon are from gen 1, etc.

>>10293626
Plenty of cool mons made it.

The cute new mons fit in just fine and the original 151 got awesome new sprites this same gen.

This gen is so full of cute mons? Who cares The babies don't even battle they just play into the gotchapon/stamp collecting aspect.

Why even get hung up on something like that when they did such amazing justice to so many gen 1 pokémon. Nidoking, Charizard, Aerodactyl, look the meanest they ever have in their sprites this gen. goes on and on.

>>10290007
Gen II ranks as one of the best sequels period in my opinion. being able to trade with other kids between both generations was a lot of fun. i remember going to the airport and meeting people to trade with it was fucking everywhere.

>>10295103
It's the subtext of what you said, either you're too stupid to understand your own words or are too bad-faith to acknowledge them.

>>10295172
It's the first game to have forced legendaries, something all future games would have. Gold and Silver have all the legendaries be optional like in RBY. Crystal also is missing the Vulpix, Mankey, Mareep, Girafarig, and Remoraid lines. (This can be fixed with romhacks, obviously)

The upgraded graphics (more unique tilesets) and various other upgrades make it the best of the three overall.

>>10295772
>It's the first game to have forced legendaries, something all future games would have.
You can actually skip the Suicune encounter completely. It's optional, but you're likely to run into it in a casual playthrough. Crystal was actually the first game directed by Masuda, so it's not surprising that he tried to make a legendary more important. He went all in with R/S/E since he directed that game from the start, and did the same with the rest of the games after that.
>Crystal also is missing the Vulpix, Mankey, Mareep, Girafarig, and Remoraid lines.
This is true, but also true of every single mainline pokemon game with multiple versions, each one has exclusive and missing pokemon to encourage trading with people who have the other versions.

>>10290020
This blew my mind. Never saw it like this and it frames the game properly

>>10295932
How do you skip it? Eusine is on a mandatory route.

I know every other game has regional exclusives, I was just stating which ones were excluded from Crystal; the anon asking might have one of the missing ones as his favourites.

>>10295541
>Gen II ranks as one of the best sequels period in my opinion
Agreed

>>10295939
As far as I know, after Team Rocket is wiped out for good, you're free to move right on to the last gym without having to fight Suicune. The only downside is that you can't get Ho-oh until all three Beasts are captured.

>>10295939
>How do you skip it? Eusine is on a mandatory route.
Oh, do you mean just seeing it in-game at all? I thought you meant battling it, specifically.
>I know every other game has regional exclusives, I was just stating which ones were excluded from Crystal; the anon asking might have one of the missing ones as his favourites.
I got the impression that the anon who asked that doesn't know much about Pokemon since he mentioned giving the series a try so I just wanted to clarify that to him.

>>10295951
Nah I meant having the legendary be a mandatory story element. In RBY, the only legendaries that get mentioned are Mew and Mewtwo, with Mew being treated like a mythological thing that probably doesn't exist and Mewtwo only being mentioned in books in the Pokemon Mansion you don't have to read. And you can only get Mewtwo after beating the E4, and Mew was never available in the west because it was a Japanese event exclusive.

>>10295972
>and Mew was never available in the west because it was a Japanese event exclusive.
Mew was given away in events all over the West back then. There are even ROM dumps of some of the event cartridges that were used back then so you can get yourself an official one to this day.

>>10295983
I was thinking of celebi, my bad
Still, it wasn't something you could just get. For 99.9% of kids it was just some mystery pokemon that didn't exist or was just created for the movie.

>>10295995
They gave away Celebi in the West too but it was less distributed than Mew was and for some reason they just gave you a Celebi directly, so you didn't get to see the in-game event. I guess they might have been waiting for an anime/movie tie-in that never came. Thankfully we can finally do the event officially in the VC release, and it's easy to mod into a hack to work the same way.

>>10293510
Not that Anon, but if I install the Pokemon Crystal .cia (presumably it's a .cia) onto my 3DS, can I still transfer the Pokemon to Pokemon bank/home/etc?

>>10296594
Iirc it should be no different than owning the game. Just don't try and send illegal pokemon or it won't work

I feel like the ages of 5-8 is peak age to love Pokemon I was 6 when we got red and blue at 2000 then 2001 I got gold and my brother got silver. Day and night cycle blew my mind as a kid I also played every day to listen to the radio feature as a kid and I love the broadcasters saying everything different on different days, playing different music and catching bugs at different days. Also battling with my brother with link wire cables and trading pokemon.... we need to go back to older technology. This and Majora's mask are my go to games to complete yearly.

>>10296594
You should be fine. Bank's hack-checks are very easy to fool in older generations because it checks for far less variables. So long as nothing is glaringly-obviously fake, you should be just fine.

>>10295995
>>10296004
I'm pretty sure the GS Ball event is still in Crystal too, just not the way to obtain it.
I vaguely remember using that Monster Brain thing to give myself the GS Ball and triggering the event. But it could have been some weird fever dream.

>>10293781
Nice, lucky find. Back in the time it was my dream to find a shiny ditto.

>>10295541
I really agree with you. I think gen 2 was just amazing. Kids literally don't know how good pokemon players had it from gen 1-2. There were so many aspects to it even outside of the games like the shitty internet websites with rumors, missingngo cheat, the anime, all this uncertainty about what would happen, just the general support and new things coming to the franchise all the time in such a short period. It was amazing. I think that's why when people try to say now that gen 5 was somehow the best they just don't understand at all what it was really like.

>>10296798
In terms of gameplay, Pokemon really isn't that advanced even back then. What made it such a smash success is the monster design, the tie-in anime and TCG (for about two years collecting the cards was a HUGE deal for kids, spending a dollar for a pack in the hopes you'd get something rare was the precursor to modern loot crates), and the fact the games were designed to encourage you to interact with your friends. The other GB RPGs were basically home console RPGs you could fit in your pocket, whereas Pokemon was designed to take advantage of that mobility.

>>10296792
Oddly enough there's a 1/128 chance you will run into a ditto with shiny genes, which means breeding it will give you a 1/64-1/128 chance of hatching a shiny. But that was only recently figured out.

>>10296916
Not 1/8000? I guess I can just run in circles in the grass in front of the Daycare then, those odds aren't too autistic.

>>10296947
But here's the catch... you can't breed dityos, you can only use the shiny gene ditto to breed other pokemon shinies. Best way to get a shiny ditto is to teach the obligatory shiny gyrados mimic (which can only be done in gen 1), mimicking a dittos transform, then having the ditto tranfrom into the shu y gurados twice. This is a glitch where if you transform twice it pastes the other Pokemons stats onto the pokemon using transform. This turning ditto shiny.

>>10296954
>teach the obligatory shiny gyrados mimic (which can only be done in gen 1)
Fuck me. I guess I'll have to grind the grass at the daycare then... but now I remember I can use arbitrary code execution to turn any pokemon shiny... but that's less fun.

>>10296798
This, bro. It was a very special thing to experience

>>10294151
Holy FUCK I remember why I stopped shiny hunting. Double over odds. 157 eggs to get this little fucking Florida nigger. I don’t know how retards do full odds, so much time wasted. I’m never doing this again, happy johtober faggots

>>10297569
Just kidding, I’m going to do this every johtober, because I hate myself

>>10293907
Nob got to localize the main screen text, but not proper nouns/item names/attack names/mon names.
By the time he DID start to get input on all of the above things, he had checked out mentally and started inserting inane memes from message boards he frequented.

>>10291569
>>10292152
>>10294149
>>10294151
>>10297569
Keep us posted. Show them in the party, in action and when they evolve.

Also, show their final evolutions in the hall of fame

>>10294197
Can you name me another RPG released in North America at the time with both a roster of potential party members that large as well as a competitive multiplayer aspect? Which NES rpg is more meaty? Suikoden and Persona come a little close but that's the same year. I think you only see it as bog standard because you mostly grew up in a world where games started being influenced by it. At the time as someone who had been playing a lot of RPGs it was pretty groundbreaking.

>>10290020
It's not based around "rural Japanese villages", it's just the Western half of Honshu. It's more rural, but there's still big cities like Osaka (Goldenrod), Kyoto (Ecruteak), and Kobe (Olivine)

>>10290020
>>10298183
I didn't realize they were that specific to Japan. Have any of the Pokémon games ventured into the areas that are Hiroshima or Nagasaki? That could lead to interesting opportunities.

>>10297912
I got this I drank too much after the last shiny, but I got this. Ima post a feast thing something great cool

I got a legit event Mew that I still have to this day. But getting my grandpa to drive 2+ hours for a Mew was a monumental ordeal that I didn't bother trying again for Celebi. Maybe if Pokemania hadn't died down as much by then...

I don't get Gen2 jackoffers other than nostalgia because it was your first game.

Game is unbalanced shit and Pokemon selection is somehow weaker than Gen 1, leaving you less decent options for your campaign despite having more Pokemon, all because they were so utterly stupid in both designing new mons and where they placed mons in the game.

People who say "Gen 2 best gen" are without a doubt, all people who started with it. Because it's just not as enjoyable of a playthrough as Gen 1.
>graphics werent as good!
>competitive meta!
Doesn't matter.

>>10298171
>but that's the same year.
Nah, 1996 NA release for both, unless that's what you meant...

>>10290007
Same. Gen 2 was peak. Gen 1 proto stages and pre-anime stuff were kino. Pokemon lost its way by gen 3 but really went off the rails somewhere after gen 5. I want my cool creepy cute nuclear fallout pocket monsters.

>>10298641
A few weeks ago I decided to check out what's going on with Pokemon. It's totally different, it's looks like a Digimon offshoot nowadays

>>10298590
i think people who's dicks are hard for g/s/c just haven't replayed them and are operating on nostalgia fuel

>>10298658
I have replayed them more than once after becoming an adult. Pure sovl

>>10298656
Right. Pokemon has lost the urban legend appeal. The series was more interesting when it was the real world but with anomalous creatures. Now it's just another King Solomon goetia summoner.

>>10298667
>urban legend appeal
Totally, bro. The lack of Internet back then made it a much more localized experience somehow. It's like every local group experimented it in a different way and have their own personal recollection of it.

>Now it's just another King Solomon goetia summoner.
Haha true

>>10298590
Honestly for its time it was an almost perfect game. As the software advanced in complexity the gestalt that made the series appealing was lost. GSC's main and only problem (that can be reasonably addressed) is that it's too easy.

Its second main problem is the poor availability and movepools of certain mons. But it was still leagues better than gen 1 in that regard.

I didn't really enjoy gen 3 because there was never anything I really wanted to use. Nothing comparable to Ampharos. Hell I'd take shitmons like Aipom over gen 3 mons; just wish it had its evolution sooner.

>>10298662
you mean, you like color graphics more than og gameboy ones? cause gen 1 has way more soul

>>10298667
pokemon lost its original vibe already in gen 2 anyway, gen 1 had that soft scifi/urban vibe with an atmosphere of biological experimentation that lended a kid friendly darkness but one nonetheless, gen 2 abandoned this feeling for generic japanese rustic shit and egyptian ruins you see in nearly any jrpg

>>10298681
I honestly don't get into this Gen I v. Gen II debate. The main reason being Gen II was my childhood generation, so I'm naturally very inclined to pick it. But I played Gen I during the pandemic and it was so worth it. The inner child inside me felt so relieved to finally be able to do it

But Gen II expanded on virtually every concept Gen I had. Also it's VERY soulful because it was supposed to be the end to the series. The whole games have this extremely especial and nostalgic feeling, it kinda feels like the games are saying "goodbye" to you

To these two, I would add FireRed and LeafGreen as the objectively definitive Pokemon experiences, and these form my personal Holy Trinity of Pokemon

>>10298681
I had thought Gen2's vibe was Johto being respectful of nature and history while Kanto doubled-down even harder in destroying it.
>Viridian Forest is razed to stumps
>Various caves have collapsed from all the wear and abuse
>Pokemon Tower's graves has been desecrated to make room for a new radio tower
And then the Cinnabar volcano's eruption emphasizes that when you keep taking from nature, it eventually starts taking back.

>>10298671
>But it was still leagues better than gen 1 in that regard
In Gen 1 you can get basically every cool or worthwhile Pokemon before the end of the game. Not the case in Gen 2. It's a gimped ass game when it comes to Pokemon, you know, the only reason you play these games.

The only Pokemon in Gen 2 may as well be the starter and which new Eveelution you choose, because the rest are irrelevant or just ones you had in Gen 1.

>>10298695
>>Pokemon Tower's graves has been desecrated to make room for a new radio tower
As I said here -> >>10291228 , Kanto feels like modern Japan. Johto feels like traditional Japan

>>10298692
>it kinda feels like the games are saying "goodbye" to you
... Like that old childhood friend who parted ways with you, never to be seen again. "Goodbye, friend, it was nice to play with you"

Fuck this made me emotional now

>>10298681
I don't know why you insist on antagonizing gen II, I appreciate what gen I did and think both were good, we ought to UNITE and hate on latter nu-gens.

I don't go around complaining about how gen I is barebones af, well I try not to. You don't get cool special events like getting the egg, cooler bag, RADIO, planting stuff and then getting the berries later. There's cool story events like going back to Kanto which makes the overworld twice as big.

On the other hand, II could have more variety in mons, which is noticeable on replays. Having the shiny Gyarados is also a staple. Even then it is not a deal breaker, you can choose a different starter for one. I changed from using water mons in a playthrough to grass mons in another. Getting to evolve Tyranitar is also cool even if it's a lategamemon.

>the only reason you play these games.
That though is the most braindead take someone could have, assuming everyone plays the game with so many things to do for a single thing.

>>10298697
You could get one of 3 really cool starters that rival the originals in the impression they leave; you could get a Ghastly, Bellsprout, Dunsparce, and a Geodude before the first gym (and several others); you can get a potential Magmar, Electabuzz, Jynx, etc. before gym 2; Wooper and Mareep were cool. Yes a lot of the good and interesting gen 2 mons were locked up late game and that is a serious flaw. But I don't think it's a big deal since the game is easy to mod and now trade with others online via VC or other methods.

Personally I'm fond of those romhacks that fix its issues and add crossgen evolutions. You don't have accessible modding in later gens.

Also you have to consider the fact these games aren't meant to be solo. Ideally you should have friends or siblings with cool monsters who will be happy to trade you and give you a leg up. Sadly that's not how everyone plays it; nor is it always feasible. As for it breaking the game, not really since there are badge reqs.

>>10299094
Also RBY didn't have wild Growlithes before the first gym. You might not want to give credit for the selection of gen 1 mons but they were often ones you couldn't develop early-mid game in gen 1.

>>10298692
>FireRed and LeafGreen
I ***hated*** these games.

>>10298692
for me, i grew up with both gen 1 and 2 so i can't have one without the other. and it goes into the design philosophy of gen 2 anyway, as it is a true sequel unlike other gens where it was always a fresh start.

>>10298720
>You don't get cool special events like getting the egg
shitty pokemon who cares
>cooler bag
sure
>RADIO
useless gimmick entertaining only during the first playthrough as a young kid, it serves no real purpose upon a replay
>planting stuff and then getting the berries later
useless busywork, just buy healing items, it's why you win prize money
>There's cool story events like going back to Kanto which makes the overworld twice as big.
kanto in gen 2 sucks and just wastes your time pretty much padding out the game
>II could have more variety in mons
you mean a lot of mons you won't get to use since they're way late in the game, and quite a lot of pretty shit new mons anyway among them, only a few of the new gen 2 mons are very desireable at all, hell there are a lot of throw away single evolutions in that gen in particular like smeargle and deliberd, or complete wasted potential/failed opportunities like ariados and ledian

i dunno, gen 2 just never stops being underwhelming to me. i thank it for dark types and that's it. i definitely prefer gen 1 for the sheer soul, original vision of the series, and nostalgia, and prefer gen 3 for being the actual polished gameplay experience people claim gen 2 is even if i dislike the story elements gen 3 started, gen 2 to me feels very sloppy and half hearted

and really, as much as i feel like gen 3 was the start of it feeling disconnected as a whole, you could say the roots of that were in gen 2, specifically the element of deifying legendary pokemon and making them more connected to the plot. i think gen 2s legendaries were more fleshed out in terms of their relevance to the world, but that takes away a bit of the mysterious feeling surrounding them, as i feel is the case as goind forward legendaries are all literal godlike beings with books of lore, which is meant to make them feel more special but ultimately makes them feel less

>>10299276
your opinion (the tamagochi element is cool and it's a raising game tho)
your opinion
your opinion
only someone with the most zoomer-like cynical "I'm playing this just to hate on it" mindset looks at more overworld with gym leaders and say it's padding
not my fault you played with dumb expectations and prepared to hate on it.

You're making gen 2 look good all by yourself. objectively you pointed out one flaw it has over gen 1, while dismissing the 99 cool stuff. the rest is your opinion on how you think one has soul the other doesn't or whatever. like any retro game I can't force you to like it, I can only say why someone might like it.
Your posts are braindead. I could say the same about gen 1; it has less soul, nostalgia, whatever. I can't believe I wasted my time replying to the post.

>>10291925
For me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPfaVO0gPoI

>>10298669
That’s not just true for Pokémon but for inside jokes, lingo, etc…

>>10299190
This. Gen I and II are pure soul

>>10299104
I ***loved*** and still love these games hahaha

>>10299372
Pure kino

I get that it can hurt replays, but I never thought that having Gen 2 Pokemon showing up later in the game was a flaw. It adds to the surprise and mystery. It's not like nowadays where each region has their own Pokemon. The games were stating that Pokemon were STILL being discovered, so even from a lore standpoint there's no reason why there can't be a Houndour or Murkrow in Kanto. I think a lot of the complaints are from people who started with later gens and only know that every region has its own new Pokemon. They don't get that GSC is basically RBY2.

>>10298171
Dragon Quest Monsters, hell DQ in general. Pokemon is just a simplified version of Dq3

>>10290083
>Gen1 was all cities and urban development with almost no nature left
What I've read is that Gen 1 was supposed to be how its designer remembered irl Kanto before it got super urbanized into what it is now, so it's funny to see someone saying it's too urbanized.

>>10298252
Gen 3 is based on Kyushu, Slateport is its equivalent of Nagasaki. If Gen 2 had a rural vibe, I'd say Gen 3 had a vacation-y vibe given all the water and beaches in the game (there's a large one near aforementioned Slateport), plus its designer said he based Hoenn on Kyushu because he used to vacation there a lot as a child. By the way, if you decide to play Gen 3, please play the originals on the GBA instead of the soulless 3DS remakes, but you already knew that since you're on /vr/.

>>10291925
For me, it's https://youtu.be/NEtZW4BLWoQ?si=UgXhyyyyLTv4LuWB

>>10293717
Can you actually read Japanese, or you memorized the game's translation from playing it for so long?

>>10296004
>I guess they might have been waiting for an anime/movie tie-in that never came
Pokemon 4Ever was the Celebi movie and it came out within Crystal's timeframe. I don't know what /vp/ thinks of it, but IMO it's the worst Pokemon movie, which is pretty bad since the bar wasn't very high to begin with.

>>10297651
Not like current games quoting modern memes like "My body is ready" is any better.

>>10300081
2000 is the best, though the first one definitely is neck and neck with it. 3 and 4 are forgettable (4 is gorgeous to look at, though, because of the fantastical forest setting), and 5 is probably the most aesthetically pleasing of the original series movies.

>>10295172
Absolutely.
The revised encounter rates alone are worth it, being able to use the exclusive jhoto mons throughout your journey as opposed to getting them end game and create a complete viable decent team by the first gym + other Kanto mons, the early route poliwag ended up being my ace later in the game.
The immediate counter point "waaaah no mareep" is balanced by odd egg pichu/elekid. Ampharos doesn't even learn t-bolt untill the game corner move tutor and everything in the game can spam thunder punch/ice punch for more than enough coverage. Buenas password is underrated for farming rare candies if play the game daily enough.

Unrelated: a lot of the revised sprites/colours are due to the hardware limitations of G/S being on the original GB carts vs crystal being the only mainline game on an actual gameboy *colour* cart.

>You also get the peak of KINO areas

>>10299757
nah, the point of pokemon is to use them on your team. despite what terminal autists think, most people just played the campaign of pokemon and didn't care about competitive meta, the multiplayer they experienced was just linking up with a friend or two and using your favorites that you felt proud for beating the game with and grown attached to, so late game...or POST game pokemon were basically useless, you weren't going to train up a brand new pokemon to level 50+ at the final stretch of the game.

just because of how pokemon games work, pokemon placement is important. any pokemon you want to show off or intend to be really used should really come around halfway through, or not much later then that. late game mons should be left for intentional rarities/thuper thpecial pokemon people who wanna fill the dex can go for, and strong fully evolved pokemon for people who might need to catch up because they made some shitty choice earlier or missed a mon

>>10299315
>only someone with the most zoomer-like cynical "I'm playing this just to hate on it" mindset looks at more overworld with gym leaders and say it's padding
nah kanto in gen 2 was significantly worse and less developed, it's a ghost town and feels literally dead and the gym battles are just weak and you steamroll them, it's literally padding....there to stretch out the game, they didn't do it well

also, you wanna know something funny? the gen 2 gym leaders themselves were very underwhelming, it wasn't a step up from gen 1 at all. they're forgettable and they mostly used gen 1 pokemon themselves, really illustrating that issue with gen 2.

>>10300574
How can you levy this as as criticism right after saying this?
>...the multiplayer they experienced was just linking up with a friend or two and using your favorites that you felt proud for beating the game with and grown attached to, so late game...or POST game pokemon were basically useless, you weren't going to train up a brand new pokemon to level 50+ at the final stretch of the game.

The post game was a great way to level up late game pokemon while still making active progress on your journey. A single gym leader is mid level 30's and the rest are all level 40+. Most trainers are in the mid 30's and most wild pokemon are in the high 20's. That's plenty of onramp for late game pokemon to be trained up to level 50's while still having new additions added to the team that come from Kanto itself. The game even has you fight the elite 4 a second time before facing off against Red and climbing up Mt Silver (also full of level 40's pokemon). You could probably raise several level 25 wild caught pokemon to level 50 by the time you've ran through Kanto... which was probably the point.

>the gen 2 gym leaders themselves were very underwhelming, it wasn't a step up from gen 1 at all. they're forgettable and they mostly used gen 1 pokemon themselves, really illustrating that issue with gen 2.
As that other anon pointed out, this doesn't make much sense unless you have a post gen 3 lens. Why would gen II gym leaders having gen I pokemon be a bad thing otherwise? Why would the second game showcasing pokemon we already love be a bad thing? Fighting against a Gengar was cool, Fighting against a Scyther was cool, Fighting against a Poliwrath and Primape was cool, all that shit was cool because they were some of the less showcased gen I pokemon (as far as the games were concerned) getting time to shine.

I keep mistaking the OP image for a screenshot of Eversong Woods and thinking this is a WoW thread.

That's all I have to contribute. I like Donphan.

>>10300865
that all might work if kanto in gen 2 wasn't a half assed cakewalk. it does not feel like a true second part of the game like you're trying to paint it as, anyone who's played it knows it feels like a tacked on post-game segment, which is what it is.

>As that other anon pointed out, this doesn't make much sense unless you have a post gen 3 lens. Why would gen II gym leaders having gen I pokemon be a bad thing otherwise?
nah this is bullshit, very clever of gen 2 fags trying to position themselves as like super original "we dun need that gen 3" types, even though, they're not the original, gen 1 is the only original.

in fact, i'd say it's only a plus if you started with gen 2 and missed out on gen 1. so yeah if that's the case, it probably was very cool to see all the pokemon you knew of but never played with in a game before. but if you played gen 1, you wanted gen 2 for the new pokemon, you already beat gen 1 likely multiple times over like i did, already had your favorites burned into your brain, had all the toys and cards etc. it was a new game with new pokemon, and you got excited for new pokemon especially the new types, and gen 2 was somewhat of a let down in that regard. a sprinkling of old pokemon wouldn't be a bad thing, but gen 2 gym leaders literally use a MAJORITY of gen 1 pokemon

>>10300970
>that all might work if kanto in gen 2 wasn't a half assed cakewalk. it does not feel like a true second part of the game like you're trying to paint it as, anyone who's played it knows it feels like a tacked on post-game segment, which is what it is.
Nobody felt this way until recently when it became cool to shit on the older gens.

>nah this is bullshit, very clever of gen 2 fags trying to position themselves as like super original "we dun need that gen 3" types, even though, they're not the original, gen 1 is the only original.
Nobody is saying that gen II us "superior" it's a very different experience. It's a far more open and forgiving game with daily activity elements. Kanto is built like a one way trip and Jhoto is built like a region you regularly navigate all around. The issue being brought up here is the notion that Gen II is "supposed" to be an entirely new journey when its more like a different take on the Gen I journey, and the criticisms people have when booking at the game through that lens...a lens they only have because gen III and gen IV(ish) and gen GV and so on are exactly that.

>but if you played gen 1, you wanted gen 2 for the new pokemon
This is the exact frame of mind I'm talking about, your issues are that gen II wasn't the kind of game you were expecting. It sounds like you wanted a BW experience (which is w/e) but gen II isn't that, and its in no way trying to be that which makes the problem you and not the games lol.

You can call gen II shit, but you have to do it on the games terms otherwise you're just being a dipshit. A criticism like saying "the daily activities are shallow, get old quickly, and don't provide much value over the duration of the playthrough because things like apricot balls aren't all that more effective than ultraballs" would be a valid criticism. Saying "gen II sucks because they didn't put new pokemon front and center because I wanted a game with all new pokemon" is gayness go play digimon faggot.

>>10300865
>Why would the second game showcasing pokemon we already love be a bad thing? Fighting against a Pidgey was cool, Fighting against a Kakuna and Metapod was cool, Fighting against a whole gym of Gastly and Haunter was cool, all that shit was cool

>>10290020
I loved it. I went to stay with my cousins one summer for a week or so and spent a lot of time playing it and listening to baseball games on a little portable radio I got from a yard sale. I spent all my oddjob money on that game and AAs.

>>10301031
These exact same criticisms can be levied against gen I, you have geodude, staryu, tengela, koffing, voltorb as gym leader pokemon. How can you knock Ecruteaks gym coming off the back of Pokemon tower? Lt surge in Gen I has a voltorb, pikachu and raichu. His gym trainers have pikachu, magnimite, and voltorb. It's literally the same shit.

>>10301105
NTA, but
>How can you knock Ecruteaks gym coming off the back of Pokemon tower?
Pokemon Tower wasn't a gym and had more variety
>rival battle
>cubone
>marowak
>Team Rocket

>Lt surge in Gen I has a voltorb, pikachu and raichu. His gym trainers have pikachu, magnimite, and voltorb. It's literally the same shit.
>3 evolution lines are the same thing as a single one
Come on now.

>>10294219
Digging the purple Cyndy. Has a ghastly ghost-y color palette to it

>>10299372
I love how this fucker was in the very first episode of Pokemon and we just didn't realize it at the time

>>10300453
man i'm an idiot. i never realized that was a hole looking down on the floor below.

>>10301202
It was effectively lavender towns gym, or at least was equivalent to a route full of trainers with 1 pokemon. ghastly. There are 10+ Channeler's all of which have a single low 20's ghastly iirc. I'm just not seeing how someone can complain about a gym being boring because of repeated pokemon encounters, when Gen I has an entire section which is basically that.

>>3 evolution lines are the same thing as a single one
I wasn't exactly sure what that anon's contention was, so I listed that as an example of Surge's team being comprised mostly of pokemon we already saw in his trainers.

>>10301234
Man, that was such a mindfuck. When I finally realized it years later, I was shocked

Random question. I remember reading that there was supposed to be a special event in HG/SS where you could meet and/or battle Giovanni in the Sevii Islands in the house where it says there's a draft coming from behind a bookshelf or something. I guess the idea is that he was hiding out there in a hidden room. Was that true, or was that a Mew-under-the-truck thing?

>>10290020
>surely turned some people off but it has a great atmosphere
What? Everyone I knew back in the early 2000s loved gen 2.

>>10301469
Same here

>>10301407
It was true, but it sounds like the details got mixed-up. What happened is that you meet Celebi and briefly go back in time to see Giovanni leaving Silver after his loss to Red, then jump forward to a cave in Tohjo Falls at the time of Team Rocket's invasion of the radio tower and find Giovanni, who is getting ready to return to being the boss but calls it off after you defeat him in a battle.

Gen 1, with its art, felt like a pocket-sized RPG. The weird new gameplay, the squared off characters, Kaiju and giant animals, all of the concept art looks like a dubiously rural-futuristic Dragon Quest
Gen 2, following Pokemon's success and mass awareness and appeal, is the first and most experimental 'Pokemon' game. Trading between Gens was immediately this 'how the fuck are they doing that' caveman-meets-cowboy moment for most people, and the art is this weird, lost in time 'what if a game had more budget than it needed and they put it all into fleshing out the ambiance'. the West went with lore bibles and character drama, Japan was right at this peak post-anime boom where they really wanted to be themselves in all of the best ways.
Then after that Pokemon decided they could just do anything and make money, so they may as well do everything all at once, shifting back into edgier, anime-poster style designs and way more striking colors with environmental design and art that swung between agnostic and flanderized of the real world. Gen 3, 4 and 5 remind me of Arcade games like The Simpsons, very stark and high energy.

>>10301527
Interesting take

I used to work at a Motel in a popular college town whose main road is three parking lots deep with stayhomes and duplexes and modern 5-highs, apartments behind apartments behind Starbucks.


He showed me some pictures of when the Motel opened 40 years ago, the road almost looked like a forest despite having popular businesses between them, same energy but the environment was just so different. Gives off the same energy as 3D remakes of Vermillion City, street, building, fence, woods, woods all sides, little bubbles of civilization rather than little bubbles of nature.

>>10296790
I have one that's specifically for G/S and it can alter just about anything in the game. Anyways, I scrolled the item list and couldn't find the ball.
Could be that I have an older version of the monster brain or something, dunno.

>>10294151
I love the original shiny cyndaquil. I'm mad they fucked up the colors in later gens.

What was the first gen 2 shiny you guys ever found? Doesn't matter if you caught or or killed, it, I wanna know. Besides the Red Gyarados, everyone knows about that.

>>10302062
I think it was ditto.

>>10302062
literally never found one ever

>>10302062
I can't remember that far back but the more recent shiny I found was a Zubat.

>>10301234
>>10301405
It doesn't help that the immediate next episode has Ash talk to Professor Oak about and the exchange is
>Ash: [points to a carving that looks like Articuno] I saw a pokemon that looked like that one :D
>Oak: No you fucking didn't

>>10302062
The only shiny I found legitimately was a shiny Seedot in Ruby. I had a shiny Suicune and Raikou that a kid down the road Gameshark'd for me.

>>10302062
A shiny Voltorb in Gold.

>>10302275
>Arcanine was at one point going to be a Legendary alongside the Birds
Early Pokemon just gave no fucks.

>>10302583
kek

>>10302275
They did a pretty good job

>>10302062
Hmmm if I'm not mistaken, it was a shiny Geodude. For some odd reason, I've been very good at finding shiny Geodudes over the years lmao

>>10301086
Kino

for me it's gen 3
silver was nice but the jump in quality with emerald was so good
emerald filled me with good feelings while silver felt a bit off
i was never able to enjoy my gb that much, the sound and visuals just creeped me out

>>10302062
Only ever found a shiny spinda in Emerald in about 2015.

This thread turned out to be a lot better than I expected. The negativity and flame wars were kept relatively checked, and we mostly just shared fond memories and discussed a nostalgic game of our childhood

How I miss when the internet was like this haha

>>10302583
>going to be
About that...

>>10301019
>Nobody felt this way until recently when it became cool to shit on the older gens.
i felt this way when i was 11 in 1999. give me a break with this "nobody can criticize my nostalgia" bullshit

gen 2 faggots are not gen 1, your haughty attitude trying to lump yourself in with what i am, an original pokemon kid, it nauseating. gen 2 doesn't get clout from gen 1, it's not gen 1, it's gen 2. you can keep saying "you must have started with gen 3" over and over, but the fact of the matter is i started with gen 1, and YOU started with gen 2

>>10303883
>but the fact of the matter is i started with gen 1, and YOU started with gen 2
Fantastic, I think you deserve a medal for it

>>10303883
Red version was my first version though, honestly I don't know anyone who started with gen 2, it's either gen 1, or came in later with gen III. I never asserted you started with gen III you schizo. I'm saying your contemporary lens is shadowing your criticisms. But you sound like a spergy 13 yr old so if I had to guess at this point your first game was let's go Pikachu.

>>10303883
But anon gen 2 was FLAWLESS and KINO and nobody ever at the time of its release disliked ANYTHING about it AT ALL. You're just underaged ban for slandering PERFECT gen 2.

>>10302062
Shiny Weedle in the Bug Catching Contest.
I accidentally ran instead of throwing a ball.

>>10304330
>I accidentally ran instead of throwing a ball.
Many such cases

>>10303697
Didn't remember that. But it's still not technically a legendary

>>10304041
There is a section of people who definitely started with Gen 2 in terms of their first game, and especially Pokemon Crystal, because it came out in 2001. The younger end of Millennials aka Millenioomers are this bunch, and it's where so much Gen 2 and Crystal ball washing tends to come from.

>>10306128
Exactly. Crystal was my first game, but mostly because my parenst didn't give me gifts easily. It took me years of asking before I finally had my GBC, and I only had Crystal because I traded another game for it with a friend

>>10290007
I love Noctowl but it is so disappointing. Then of course, in the nu gens they give an owl starter, and of course they have to make it a furry

>>10307008
Noctowl's good enough for an in-game team.
It learns Hypnosis, can set up Reflect, and gets access to Nightmare before the third badge.

>>10290090
just wanted to say this gif (and above art in the thread) is what got me to start playing HG as the first pokemon game i intend to finish, and its been pretty nice

>>10307084
I'm telling you, the atmosphere is just something different. It gets you hooked on immediately

the remakes would've been good if they didn't ruin the music. I can't stomach the new music in the remakes.

>>10307094
>Goldenrod in the original is a relaxing and memorable melody
>HGSS ruins it by giving it the pitch of a infant with a sore throat about to start wailing at the top of its lungs
Lots of overwrought remixes in general that may have worked standalone but have way too much buildup to work in-game. The GB Sounds item would have been a neat way to fix it, except you get it way too late and it doesn't even reflect the Gameboy soundfont accurately.

>>10307094
Some of the new music is good, though

>>10307134
Yeah, Goldenrod was a lot better in the OG

PS: thread is 1 week old

>>10303883
>what i am, an original pokemon kid

Are you guys ready for TPCI to ruin another old Pokemon game again next year?
Another Johto remake is in the works.

>>10293506
Thread is full of women nigga

>>10308840
HG/SS are not bad, don't be such a purist. I welcome the news.

>>10293529
>pokemon stadium 2

>>10308846
Why do you talk like you're trying to be a "ghetto thug dawg g"

>>10295152
Apparently he's just working on the Pokemon Masters EX gacha, the same said with the old model makers for the games.

>>10298656
>it's looks like a Digimon offshoot nowadays
It's only catching up to nu-Digimon, now that Ash is finally gone.

>>10308858
Stupid ho

started a new crystal clear save in honor of johtober

>>10308847
It's not bad, but definitely not perfect

>>10308873
>crystal clear
COCKSLAYER PRESENT

>>10308873
Is Crystal Clear still full of bla- i mean Okinawans and bad ocs?

>>10308870
Indeed

>>10308876
It has its downs, but it's good overall

>>10308880
still gets me

>>10308882
npc palettes are randomized but ya it do have some originals
the battle tutor moves, compatibility with vanilla games, and fleshing out the map for all the legendaries make up for it for me though, since some of these movesets are dangerously based in stadium2

>>10308876
How is that censored? Simply changing context ≠ censorship

>>10308840
I'm actually expecting Let's Go-styled remakes for Johto since the previous games already retconned Archer in and teased his plans for Team Rocket in the post-game.

>>10308902
I want Legends Celebi/Unown

>>10308876
Jaime pull up the original Japanese

>>1030887
>Goes from openly taunting the Rockets about having fun without him to lecturing them on fair play
Sounds rich, coming from the guy who moments prior blasted a grunt with a Hyper Beam so hard that he still has PTSD from it.

>>10308968
I wonder if a Hyper Beam could kill someone irl

>>10290007
Best Gen of all.

>>10290020
>surely turned some people off
Who? The 10 year old kids who played a localised copy of the game didn't even know what that is.

>>10309059
Wtf is a hyper beam in real life. I get ice beam, fire punch, hypnosis, hell even psychic and dragon rage make sense, but wtf is a hyper beam?

>>10302275
I always thought that was Entei

>>10309435
Hyper beam is just normal energy power instead of elemental or a specific magical source like dragon. Think of it like a hadoken

>>10309513
It's a Kamehameha, unless shin akuma is doing it.

>>10298590
People didn't care about balance back then. They played for fun because the game was fun.

>>10298656
Don't talk about digimon that way. Digimon deserves better.

>>10298681
>gen 1 had that soft scifi/urban vibe with an atmosphere of biological experimentation that lended a kid friendly darkness but one nonetheless, gen 2 abandoned this feeling for generic japanese rustic shit and egyptian ruins you see in nearly any jrpg
This pained me. The vibe of Gen 1 would never be followed up on again.

>>10309560
Digimon digidid it to their digiselves. I enjoyed the first world game though, I miss metabots more desu.

>>10309432
Yeah nobody gave a fuck about or even paid attention to the settings of the Pokemon games until Gen 5. Even that was just a footnote, basically. As far as we knew the games took place in their own little worlds and we had no idea the regions corresponded to certain areas of Japan.
>inb4 hurrr I knew

>>10309603
>As far as we knew the games took place in their own little worlds and we had no idea the regions corresponded to certain areas of Japan.
You must have been a really low IQ kid from a low IQ family if you couldn't tell the game with ancient Japanese buildings all over the place was Japanese.

Don't ever assume everybody else was as stupid as you were as a child again.

>>10290007
Gen 1 is better. 2 was the beginning of the end.

>>10309612
He's got a point, though. Many people didn't really know it. These people were not affected by it

Personally, I loved both settings

>>10309612
The buildings weren't recognizable as Japanese until HGSS, because the graphics simply weren't there. The kimono girls were the only obviously Japanese part of gen 2, with the towers and so on just seeming like generically mysterious and exotic places that could just have well been from China or India. Remember, stuff like the South American inspiration of the Natu line and the Ruins of Alph muddled things a fair bit.

>>10309627
MANY people prefer the overall scifi tone of Gen 1 to the mystical Japanese/ancient world tone of Gen 2

>>10309603
>Yeah nobody gave a fuck about or even paid attention to the settings of the Pokemon games until Gen 5.
I recall a lot of butthurt(still is) with how much water segments were in gen 3. The underwater parts I thought were actually really crazy. They reminded me of those old black and white movies of people underwater(picrel). Put me in a different zone.

>>10299097
>Also RBY didn't have wild Growlithes before the first gym.
No, but you could evolve it fully before beating the Elite 4. So, Growlithe much better in Gen 1 even if it comes a little later. Still comes at a fair enough time to train and use, unlike the Gen 2 mons locked in the post game.

>>10309629
>MANY people
Nice way of saying "I prefer" lmao

>>10309784
>arbok
damn, never used one in a playthrough before, was it any good?

>>10309628
>im ignorant: the post

>>10290090
I know it'll never happen but my wish is if GSC ever gets remade, instead of a remake they just rework and enhance HG/SS to play on a single screen. Something like this on a big screen would be so beautiful to run through.

>>10310538
No, Tanaka-san, most people don’t think “ah! wakayama desu ne” whenever they see a town where they make charcoal.

>>10310276
It was okay, it served me well enough for the purposes of beating the game.

>wahhh out of the 100 new pokemon there’s like four you cant get until postgame
When this is the biggest criticism levied at the game it means they did a lot of shit right. The people with a need to critique everything can only hyperfocus on this one minor issue and blow its importance way out of proportion.

>>10310860
>Tons of preevolutions
>Literal wtf nothing pokemon that take forever to evolve into lackluster shitmon
>Basically 0 fire pokemon and one of the coolest fucking gen 2 fire mon is in fucking Kanto? Why? Wtf?
Really there's not a lot of choice till your basically done with the game. In a way it makes it a bit tougher, but also sucks knowing you'll never play with houndoom on new playthroughs, unless you trade him from another game. This isn't a problem in gen 1. There's tons of pokemon to create teams with before you beat the elite 4, nearly all of them except like Mewtwo, basically.

>>10310886
I think a big part of it is wether you really consider kanto postgame or the second half of the game. I dont know anyone who actually stops a playthrough after beating the elite 4, everyone knows Red is the last boss.

Don’t care for the prevos but they dont last long, and for the main campaign even a shitmon can usually do pretty well.

There are enough pokemon to customize your own team, I don’t get how you can say there aren’t.

>>10310919
>I think a big part of it is wether you really consider kanto postgame or the second half of the game. I dont know anyone who actually stops a playthrough after beating the elite 4, everyone knows Red is the last boss
That's an interesting discussion. Formally, it's postgame, and it was intended as such. However, materially speaking, it basically functions as a second half of the campaign, and, as you said, virtually everyone considers Red the final boss of the game

>>10310276
>BST in the low 400s
It'll get through a SP run, but so will anything. It's an absolute jobber of a pokemon, clearly designed to be a 'basic mook' enemy.

>>10310950
It's obvious that Kanto was intended to be a 'NG+', and the reason they hid a few of the new pokemon in Kanto was to give the region something new, because otherwise it would've just felt like playing RBY again. Anyone that thinks Hondour, Slugma, and Murkrow should've been in Johto is an idiot who can't understand that a Kanto with nothing new would've been boring as sin.

>>10311032
You're a fucking idiot. They shouldn't have put murkrow or houndour in Kanto. They should've just made a few more pokemon so it offsets the balance and offsets the amount of baby mons. It would t have been hard. You're defending the laziness of game freak, because why? Because you have no actual rebuttal to the criticism. Just saying we are stupid for having criticism. You pedantic lumox.

>>10311041
>putting new pokemon in the late game is laziness
Lol
>they should have just made more new pokemon
Why, so you could bitch about them being in Kanto too?

Like I said, anyone who criticises that decision is a moron and probably a comptard.

>>10311045
If there were more pokemon I. Johto to choose from, no it would be fine. That's the criticism there's not enough variety in the the Maine game. Keep on putting words on my mouth and calling me stupid, while you completely miss the point. Fucking shit for brains

>>10311058
>more pokemon in johto
It's literally 3 pokemon, of which only two have any real use. Only a tiny handful of the original 151 are also exclusive to Kanto, and again are there to give you a reason to want to explore the region rather than just stay in Johto.
I will call you want you are, nincompoop.

so i grew up with gen 1 and gen 2 then stopped playing. is anything past gen 2 worth a try?

>>10311072
Again, that's not the point that "it's only 3 pokemon" it's that there's not enough variety in Johto, which makes houndour and murkrow a tease. Like I said before if there was even 5 more Pokemon in Johto that gave different typings and team variety, the houndour murkrow argument wouldn't even be a thing. Do you understand what I am saying?

>>10311078
Gen 3 is actually really good, I personally think the pokemon designs are great and the music is comfy. Definitely id recommended emerald for a playthrough.

>>10311084
There are more available species in Johto than there are in Kanto in RBY. You are moaning about the game not getting powercrept two generations sooner, kek

>>10311098
They has a great selection of pokemon throught the whole thing. Nearly half of Johto map(not even kidding) is filled with sentrets and bellsprouts and ledybas and bullshit. There's like 5 good pokemon to use that are actually from Johto, that you haven't already played with multiple times in rby.

>>10311098
>Power creep
All I'm asking for is an electric and a fire type or something to offset there near non existence. There's chinchou and mareep and crystal doesn't even have mareep, wtf is that shit?

>>10311109
Kinda like how half of Kanto's routes are Rattatas, Pidgeys, and Spearows?

Remember: Gen 2 is a direct sequel to Gen 1 and was supposed to be the bookend on the franchise. The G2 pokemon were meant to fill the gaps that G1 pokemon left, you are supposed to mainly use G1 pokemon with G2 pokemon serving as their additions.
You are a zoomer dolt wondering why the game isn't like Gen 3 onwards in design.

>>10311126
>Non existence
You get nearly every G1 electric and fire (just not the legendaries) combined with the new G2 ones.

>>10311136
Ive already played with every g1 electric type multiple times in gen1! Rby doesn't have a problem of populating it's spaces with a variety of pokemon. Gen 3 also, doesn't rely heavily on previous gen pokemon(although there is a nice BALANCE thrown in for good measure). No other gen does this, not gen 4 or 5, just gen 2. I like gen 2, I'm allowed to criticize the things I like and this is a good criticism.

>>10311130
Gen 1 didn't have the same problem. It's a valid criticism and all you can do is call me names, well nanny janny BOO BOO stick your head in POO POO, sweaty.

>>10295172
if you're completely knew to Pokemon I'd suggest Emerald. I say this as a huge gen2fag.

>>10311141
See >>10311130
Gen 2 is literally meant to be Gen1.5. That's why half the main characters are from Kanto, and is why Kanto is even in the game to begin with. Stop acting like a zoomer angry that every regional dex isn't exclusively new Pokémon.

>>10311147
>didn't have the same problem
It did if you look back on it with hindset. Johto FACTUALLY has more pokemon available than Gen 1 Kanto does. this is an indisputable fact. You just subjectively don't like the pokemon they chose to populate routes with, and would rather have every single Kantomon available before the E4. Which is why I have the grounds to call you a retard; because you can't put it together that this would've made the Kanto half of the game a complete bore because there would be nothing new to see or use.

>>10298590
Gen 3 and 4 have dogshit mon availability as well.
>2 fire types in Platnium
>Emerald has two E4 members with NFE mons

>>10311151
I'm not just going to accept your head canon of "it's gen 1.5 it's not a real gen", then you turn around and herald it as the greatest generation. You people make me sick. You can spout out all the damage control fanatical headcanon you want. My criticism is still valid. They could have added just 5 more Pokemon of different typings that are good early-mid game viable and we wouldn't be here. But they didn't, that's all this is a criticism and you can't even come up with anything but "it's not a real gen" and "you're just dumb". Nice. And again, no rby didn't have to rely on a previous generations pokemon to fill in the blanks, because they made too many baby pokemon and unowns.

>>10311157
Yeah ok I concede on that point

>>10311162
Only the gen 4 though. Gen 3 is riddled with new mon of varying types

>>10311160
>"that's just headcanon!"
>proceeds to have a melty
Kek

>just add 5 more early route mons
Johto has more early route mons than Kanto. End of.
I'm calling you stupid because you refuse to acknowledge any facts I present to you; you just cover your ears and screech "LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU"

>>10311165
Johto has mostly rby early Mon in half of its map, go choke on a goat

>>10311169
Because it's Gen 1.5 by design and was meant to be the 'Definitive Pokemon Game' rather than the first in a long line of new generations. Now cry more about being outed as a zoomer who doesn't understand the history and intent of the franchise.

>>10311172
"Because it's gen 1.5" that's not a good answer, you're just explaining away the disparity through your headcanon. Why is it so hard to admit this simple criticism is true. Most everybody sees it, accepts it and continues to enjoy gen 2.

>>10311179
It is a good answer, you just don't like it. The games were meant to replace RBY, which is why they rely on the RBY pokedex so heavily. This is a factual observation based on statements by the development staff, who explicitly said that they had no intention to make more games after GSC. They do this well, and the pokemon distribution is based around this. Gen 2 is not Gen 5, stop asking why it isn't like Gen 5. Johto has a greater pokemon variety than Gen 1 Kanto. End of.
>Most everybody accepts this criticism
Now THIS is headcanon.

>>10311187
That still doesn't excuse the disparity. Just a few more mons would've made a significant difference in Johto. Go look at a map of encounters yourself, they're all the same for damn near every route. So many pidgeys and rattatas and caterpies. It's literally retarded.

>>10311163

>>10311187
It's not headcany, e etybofy asks why at least houndour is in Kanto and not Johto, cause it's a dumb decision. Even people now are still asking that question, just Google it. There's links going back to the games release asking that question.

>>10311203
Walrien and glalie are gen 3 Mon...?

>>10311215
NVM.. kek I see what they did. Little rascals

>>10311215
they could've easily added shellder, lapras, seel, etc. to really spice up those water/dive areas. Hard to argue Gen 3's availability is better than 2's when 90% of the endgame is the same 3 mons.

>>10311032
A. Kanto is seen as a post game because it basically functions as such. Everything is dead in Kanto, there are no features to the towns and the gym battles are an afterthought that hardly do anything. It's just a gutted, dead and soulless romp through Kanto. It would be fine if Kanto felt like it was an eventful place, but it feels like what it is....the padding before Red.

B. as for the Pokemon, nah that's just dumb. What they should have done was showcase the new Pokemon in the main game of Johto, and have Kanto Pokemon in Kanto who aren't available in Johto as a bonus. That would actually give Kanto more nostalgic value, and you know, just make actual sense.

>>10311221
I see your point, but at least you have the whole beginning of the game with tons of pokemon to choose from and build your team with. Emerald had a completely different focus for endgame content, while I like battle frontier, there's no way it's better than going back to Kanto.

>>10311195
>disparity
There isn't any disparity. You have more variety than in Gen 1. No amount of seething changes this. There are precisely 4 gen2 pokemon (not counting legendaries) that aren't available before the E4. 4 out of something like 60 new lines.

>>10311209
>everybody asks why Houndour wasn't in Johto
No, only idiots ask that and only over the last decade or so. I already explained why it's not in Johto; so that Kanto has new pokemon to find that aren't just Gen 1 pokemon. You decided you didn't like that answer and ignored it.
The people asking this question are the zoomers (you) who grew up playing Gen 3-5 now going back to play the games everyone considers the best in the franchise, and who are angry that Gen 2 isn't like Gen 3-5.

>>10311232
>Kanto is dead
Other than all the gym leaders getting backstory and interactions that the franchise wouldn't see again until what, gen 6? Try not clicking through the dialogue without reading it next time you play.
>that's just dumb
It isn't. If there was nothing new to find in Kanto, you'd be sitting here bitching about how the region is exactly the same as it was in Gen 1 with no additions.
>and have bonus Kanto mons in Kanto as nostalgiabait for the people who played Gen 1
This exists. There's roughly 20 Kanto lines exclusive to Kanto in Gen 2. Honest question: have you ever even played GSC?

>>10311241
There's not enough variety guy, no other gen has this problem, even with gen1 pokemon, Johto is lacking. You can cope all you want, doesn't change the fact.

To conclude: Gen II was pure sovl and kino

>>10308898
>since some of these movesets are dangerously based in stadium2
That sounds cheap. Not sure if it's fair ot not since the Stadium games can also be cheap though.

>>10309628
>this is your brain raised on 4Kids

>>10311769
It adds viable movesets to midtier pokes (like boltbeam magneton) so they can actually see use rather than everything snorlax/exeggutor/marowak/skarmory/whatever

these games were never hard, all it does is add some welcomed variety

you could pkhex anything you wanted anyway, but at least these make sense (like some additions that pokes get in later gens anyway)

>>10290007
Trying to keep in theme with johtober, Hades is cynaquil, gojira is totodile and chiktober is of course the star of this event. But shiny totodile line is a dead ringer for Godzilla just look at this little cutie. Reminds me of those old baby Godzilla movies

>>10311203
This and the berry glitch were fixed in the later revision.

>>10313743
>Spheal team six
That's good stuff

>>10311232
>padding
If battling gym leaders in Pokemon is "padding", then...what isn't? The whole game is padding? I'm starting to think that's just your favorite buzzword...
>It would be fine if Kanto felt like it was an eventful place
Your complaint is like if you got a big cake. Then you say, "yeah well the cake could've been 3x as big!". Everyone understands it wasn't feasible to literally have the content of two or games. I don't see you applying these stupid standards to gen 1. It's also curious how all the things done to give life to Johto are "gimmicks", yet somehow for Kanto you needed more to it.
If you hate Kanto that much, you have postgame abilities like Fly at that point in the game, so it's fine to blaze through it.
>B.
It would've been fine to me if they spread two more mons or whatever, like the other anon said it's kind of hyperfocusing. I too would've liked if the game was 3x as big like you envision.

>>10314648
The point is simply that Gen 2 Kanto was clearly tacked on, and doesn't feel like a true "second part of the game", and feels more like a post game segment. It feels that way cause it doesn't feel fully fleshed out like the rest of the game, or how Kanto was in Gen 1.

Obviously, it's understood why this is, but it doesn't change that it is how it is. It is just a bit disingenuous I think to act like the Kanto portion is really justification for the late game mons being stuck there, since it really does just feel like a post game, not the true second half of the actual campaign as if it was a full huge 2 part game, which you also note, is not the case.

>>10293717
>>10293907
i really admire your sheer autism. im too lazy to learn japanese, but ive gotten super autistic about localization lately and its been fucking with my ability to enjoy certain games.

>>10299315
How are you going to call other people children when your first Pokémon game was from Gen 2?

>>10311203
In OR/AS, she has two Glalie, two Froslass, and a Walrein. They essentially doubled-down harder on how much of a repetitive joke her team is.

>>10314860
I feel you, but Red is the final boss. I think most people don't think of Lance as the final boss

>>10314962
Jesus, man, Gen II is literally the second oldest lmao

>>10309612
You're a revisionist idiot. The most Japanese place in GSC was Ecruteak, which in the originals looked like picrel. i.e. basically a generic RPG town. It wasn't like looking at Wutai in FF7 with clear pre-rendered art made to look like ancient Japan. Which would have still been processed by a 10 year old in the year 2000 (without Wikipedia or access to much anime) as "Asia".

>>10302062
Shiny Tentacool in Silver. Caught it too :)

>>10290007
>>10290020
Are there any other jrpgs that have that comfy fall / rural atmosphere?

>>10315502
there were monks straight up in the tower

>>10290007
I'm not sure if I prefer gen 2 or 3. I think gen 3 has the edge for me but gen 2 might objectively be a better package.
There was really something special about it, the soundtrack felt almost sad, the world had more villages with these weird roofs (I had no idea it was supposed to be japanese as a kid) and all the mysterious, legendary things happening : sprout tower, the burnt tower which had legendary beasts sleeping inside, Ho-oH, the unknowns and their ruins...so fucking cool.
Gen 3 felt more like a vacation to the sea which was also really sweet, lots of green and blue pokemon, lots of water, the regi mystery, groudon and kyogre were cool, and rayquaza in the tower was sick too. Music was amazing, it really felt like an adventure.
I'm not sure why but gen 4 had nothing interesting to me, even as a kid. Same with gen 5 which is where I stopped.

>>10315502
>(without Wikipedia or access to much anime)
>or access to much anime
>the year 2000

lol.....found the zoomer, 2000 probably had to be like, the major anime takeoff year, not to mention it already existing on american tv before that anyway, including a show called you know....pokemon. you can tell you're a zoomer because you also act flabergasted that people in the 90s knew about anything at all without internet, clearly, you lived your entire life with a smartphone and have no connection to culture from back then

>>10296004
>anime tie in that never came

I'm still mad about that GS ball in the anime

>>10315837
I’d say 97 was when the real anime invasion happened, by the 2001 it was unavoidable. Meta bots, digimon, Pokémon, Akira, dbz, toonami. I don’t think people remember how popular digimon was too. It seems like a blip on the radar but it contended with Pokémon in its hay day. I remember having a digivice and the anime theme song is still burned into my brain
>”digimon digital monsters, digimon are the champions, change into digital champions toooooo save the digital (world)”

>>10315848
Ohh yeah and the animatrix was so fucking lit, I guess that came a bit later though

>>10315848
digimon absolutely rivaled pokemon at the time, it was never quite as big, and since then it has fallen off in relevance, but i knew multiple people who were digimon kids and not pokemon kids and that was mainly just due to the anime, not necessarily the games or v pets. the real underdog monster anime was monster rancher, i felt like the only kid who was into that in my area

>>10315674
The Unown ruins were the coolest shit. The radio signals, Natu in the grass. I always wonder what the original intent of them at the time were. (Gen 4 had them be related to Arcues in an insane cut event that still exists in the game data but I doubt it was planned like that originally.) I remember the Spaceworld demo had the ruins be near some museum in real life.

Gen 3's Regi stuff gave me similar feelings of wonder and supernaturalmystery and I love that feeling so much.

>>10315674
>>10315868
I think the Unown might be based on this, look how many symbols look like Unown eyes and have squiggly line Unown bodies. It was an ancient Japanese thing and I think the Spaceworld demo's real life equivalent was a Jomon museum.

https://woshiteworld.wordpress.com/category/mikasahumi/
https://woshiteworld.wordpress.com/2016/01/02/wosite-basics/

People thought Jomon artifacts were ayy lmaos too so there's that, plus shit like Clefairy

>>10315868
In french they were named Zarbi (the word Bizarre which means strange, but reversed) and it was the funniest shit. There were quite a lot of funny puns in the french TL.
>>10315883
Does look like it. The dot in the middle was probably what inspired them to make eye like creatures out of it. Interesting stuff
I really should play the spaceworld demo. I have it around and gen 2 has so much mystic around it, the demo must have tons of cool stuff that never made it to the actual release

>>10315861
>Monster rancher
Only thing I remember about monster rancher is the eye and the pixie girl. Their were a bunch beyblade, yugioh. I loved beyblade and yugioh. I still play worldwide edition on gba. You ever have those beyblade toys. LET IT RIIIP. Those things were actually heavy metal tops that tucked shit up.

>>10315896
>the word Bizarre which means strange
Anon, it's the same word in English.

>>10315837
Even without anime specifically it's pretty preposterous to think Japan was some alien planet nobody knew anything about until recent times lmfao

Karate and ninjas were two of the coolest things in pop culture period during the 80s and 90s and it permeated all forms of entertainment. Kung Fu movies were also popular even before that, and some less interested people may have lumped all Asian shit together which I remember being more of a thing, but people knew what Asia and Asian things were and looked like lol

>>10315896
I loved going through all the beta Pokemon. Beta Celebi looked like the Native American fertility god Kokopelli which explains why it brings eggs back from the future. But they changed its design so much you can't really see it now.

I'm playing Fire Red for the first time and enjoying it.
I remember playing Blue, Yellow and Gold on release and loving them, got Sapphire too but didn't care much about it.

>>10315916
it's the team with the bang, our gang
its the one thats gonna win

LETS BEYYYYYYYYBLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADE

>>10315502
Even back then, I got it that it was supposed to depict a traditional Japanese setting, though. The monks, the kimono girls gave it away

>>10315837
>>10315848
>>10315967
Yup. Especially with the anime mania, but also videogames, Japan was already doing a fantastic job in exporting its culture to the rest of the world. I grew up in the 90's, and Japan was the culture to exhert the highest amount of influence in me

>>10315848
Indeed. Not to mention those cheesy Tokusatsus that had been a hit since the 80's.

>>10315861
Hey, I enjoyed Monster Rancher too haha

>>10315605
Just like any other Buddhist country. It felt oriental, but pretty much nobody in the west was familiar enough with Japan in the early 00s to be able to identify Johto as Kansai unless they went there for business or something.

>>10315837
>>10315848
Pretty sure it was more like 2002 or so when the spread of broadband internet allowed for people to download anime with ease. The late 90s-turn of the millennium had anime making a grand entrance on American airwaves, but it was heavily localized, with the advent of fansubs allowing people to finally see Japanese culture unfiltered.

>>10315837
>>10315848
Fun fact: You know that famous image of the Time Magazine with Poliwhirl front and center on the cover, asking "Is Pokemon BAD for kids?" After the article about Pokemon is done, the immediate next article is talking about this hot new thing called anime.

>>10317721

>>10317724

>>10317707
I think around 2003 I remember everyone being into dbz and my highschool had an anime club. People knew about stuff like akira but I had no idea where to watch it - all I knew was the stuff on adult swim and cartoon network. Once we got better internet over the next couple years I watched it online.

>>10315837
>Dragonball
is chinese
>Digimon
is set on digital land??
>Pokemon
Pokemon is Pokemon. I don't get what point that you're making. Everyone knows Kanto from Pokemon is set on Kanto from Pokemon. What are you trying to say?

>>10315605
True, but monks can be Tibetan, Zen, Hare Krishna, etc.

>>10315837
I'm 33. I was on dial up longer than most, until around 2006. I know many Americans all had cable in like 2003, but I still knew shitloads of people on dial up.

>>10317032
Yeah, but you can also just look at one city, see the kimono girls and monks and just be like "that's the Asian themed town" without thinking the entire game world is specifically Japan.

>>10317707
>>10317727
In the late 90's and 2000-2001, anime was already pretty big in the world. It hadn't reached its apex yet, but I remember it being a big deal. Pokemon was from that time. Everybody already enjoyed DBZ.

>>10317781
>Yeah, but you can also just look at one city, see the kimono girls and monks and just be like "that's the Asian themed town" without thinking the entire game world is specifically Japan.
At the time, Asia was basically equal to Japan. Japanese culture became hyper dimensioned to the point it became synonymous with Asian culture

>>10318116
wut? Just look at Chun-Li, traditional China is pretty big. And monks are very Zen Buddhism, no one would look at a monk and think of Japan Buddhism first.

>>10317781
Oh I see you're just autistic

>well, i didn't have cable and never watched anime in the early 00s, so that means all of america never did either

>well, the point was that the atmosphere of gen 2 is different than gen 1, but lets hyper focus on pedantic details that don't matter

Also, even if you didn't have cable I'm pretty sure shit like Sailor Moon, Pokemon, Cardcaptors, Monster Rancher, and Dragonball was already airing by then on network television

>>10302062
never found any shinies in Gen 2, despite searching for hours as a kid after finding out they were a thing. I did finally encounter one in the wild in SoulSilver though a shiny fucking Magikarp in Dragon's Den

>>10318482
Exact same story for me except I headbutted a tree in SS and got a shiny female Combee

>>10318459
If you're the same person way above that started this, then damn, you're fucking unbearable. Good work.

>>10319898
I'm sure you find it unbearable to be called out on disingenuous bullshit and straight up lying a lot

>>10319905
About what? What of any of that is a lie?

>>10318116
Yeah, but it was very "oh, look, slant eyes, japanese"

>>10319912
>nobody knew what japan was!
>people only knew what japan is because of anime!
>anime was very rare in the early 00s!
Every single implication is a lie. And all because you can't handle a little valid criticism of Gen 2? Ridiculously autistic behavior.

>>10290007
Wow, 2 weeks in, and the thread is alive lmao

>>10320973
It's johtober. Happy Friday the 13th anon.

>>10290007
It's beautiful, both versions. And the music, too. It's really pretty at about 5PM.
Too bad the balance is really weird, the game unexpectedly throws level 50+ trainers at you at the middle of the game, but afterward Kanto is so incredibly low-leveled and easy in comparison. Never got that.

>>10322131
I'd mention the battles are really slow and tedious too, but that's only a problem with the DS version.

>>10302019
Same with the evolutions. GBA had no trading from previous games, but if it did, could you just imagine importing in your awesome purple Typholosion into RSE and watching it become a stupid brownish raisin color? I'd be pretty pissed off.

>>10322131
>It's really pretty at about 5PM.
So, so, so cozy and comfy

>>10293368
fuck yenma
fuck dunspace
fuck evolving tyranitar

>>10322143
Lmao no I can't even imagine

>>10297912
Haven’t played much but I already evolved cyndaquil. Will record totodile, here’s chiktober for your box.

check this shit out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inMbtwmVlKQ

>>10324736
I saw this a while ago. So far nobody knows if he's going to release it as a diy project or even to sell. It's been a year iirc since hes given any serious answers. I could be wrong though, it was a while ago. Id love it though. I have jap gold, us silver and red and blue, plus jap emerald/us emerald and jap ruby.

>>10324637
Off to the races /vr/o’s

>>10324749
I get the impression the dude is a uni student,
and he showed off his custom pcb with ports and all,
but let's think critically:
>who the fuck is making dmg/cgb/agb port parts in 2023?
>agb sp ceased production nearly 20 years ago

>>10324789
You don’t need any of that though. All you would need is a rpi and a gba link cable and a gb/gbc link cable. No ports necessary because you’d be repurposing the link cables by soldering them directly to the pcb. I’m sure you can save the port connectors if you like, they can always be reused or reattached if you wanted to desolate everything.

>>10324803
Desolder*

>>10324803
>if you wanted to desolate everything
fucking sleep deprivation made me kek

i'm sure there are even less cables out in the wild;
the best hypothetical approximation being 0.5 x handhelds sold.

You already have a board for this. Go to it.

>>10324828
this is not a pokefucker or pokegirl femdom thread, so it doesn't belong on /vp/

>>10324828
dude, we're talking about a retro game in the retro board. why don't you go to another board instead if you don't like retro games? would you start hating SMB1 if it got a board? are you trolling?
seriously, answer me. why are you in this board?

>>10324637
>>10324757
Looking awesome. I want to see the complete evolved trio

>>10324930
This kek

>>10290060
beautiful

>>10292580
at least you get the classic ost in the game
not sure why more remakes don't do that