/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10308105
they were just ripping off zelda, then with battle net they were just ripping off pokemon

Megaman never sold well as a franchise, in fact this is why they went in all sorts of directions starting with the X1. Even then, it played third fiddle to Resident Evil and Street Fighter.

All the money was funnelled towards Resident Evil. Mega Man was yesterday's world at that point.

>>10308114
MML1 came out before OoT though
>>10308115
It was still making profit, the games were cheap as fuck to make

>>10308138
>It was still making profit, the games were cheap as fuck to make
That's the impression I get. The games are very fun and polished, but they often recycled the same graphics and engines.

How many people really even like this franchise? Like actually play and enjoy the games? How many of them have ever bought one?

>>10308138
>MML1 came out before OoT though
Ohh no no no, you can't just trigger the oot cultists like that. They have nintenditis, it's very easily irritated. Luckily I brought a few gallons of oot-aid straight from jonestown, we should be alright.

>>10308281
I came in pretty late into the series, at MM9's release really, and since then I'm beaten more than 50 MM games, bought 9,10, 11 and Legacy Collection 1 and 2 for classic

>>10308281
I've beaten literally all Mega Man platformers except for the DOS ones. Also all three Legends games. I fucking adore this series. Bought Legacy Collection 1 on PC and Switch, also 11

>>10308281
lots of people, more than have ever played a zelda game that isnt breath of the wild

>>10308284
Mega Man cultists are the worst, along with Castlevania cultists and Tekken cultists. I've realized the real cancers.

>>10308349
Can you elaborate? Looking at the sales figures, botw alone has sold almost the same as the whole megaman franchise. Previous titles add up to a lot more.

>>10308350
>Mega man cultists
Uhh, we’ll that can’t really work because they all hate different parts of the mega man series. You see what I’m saying? Oot cultists works because it’s one game. No other Zelda game has fans like oot fans. Now if you said sonic fans, we’ll that’s different, because they’re all just fucking bat shit insane anyways. Tekken is the same as mega man, too much division in the fan base, same with castlevania. I recommend you read a book called ‘word power made easy’, perhaps then you can also use words correctly.

>>10308350
This but zelda

>tfw a Zelda, Mega Man and Classicvania cultist

>>10308368
Nah, you only think that because you aren't as familiar with those fanbases. Sonic's fanbase is incredibly segmented between the different eras, comics, and cartoons.

Thing is, Sonic fans aren't an annoying nuisance on this board.

>>10308489
>sonic fans arent annoying on /vr/
What? Kek, ok bud.
Wtf did the Tekken people ever do to /vr/? Same with castlevania. I rarely see Tekken threads like I see snk or street fighter threads filled with rabid esl’s. Every part of the sonic fandom is equally demented, Chris Chan is a perfect example of this. And so is australiakun

>>10308350
>Mega Man cultists
What do they do, other than discussing retarded shit the rest of us couldn't care less about like those two degenerates and their sex fanfiction from a while back?

>>10308489
>Sonic fans aren't an annoying nuisance on this board

>>10308489
>Sonic fans aren't an annoying nuisance on this board
You should try engaging with them once. Even if Sonic haters somehow wouldn't be able to post, these threads would still be the worst. I love /vr/ Sonics but it's practically impossible to discuss these games here unless it's something relatively obscure like the Master System/Game Gear titles

>>10308510
Sonic autism is a meme, Mega Man autism is what people claim it is. Yeah, Sonic had some of the notable lolcows of late 00s internet. But Mega Man has 12 threads a day that all get 300 replies full of fanfiction drivel treating the basic kiddy anime story like high philosophical art and jerking off over crappy B tier shovelware games. That's really what it comes down to, Mega Man is the most massively overrated and overjerked franchise that's been able to slip by criticism because it isn't home grown by Nintendo or Sega, so contrarians feel like it's "theirs" and will refuse to be objective about its quality

Tekken fags shit up every thread they appear in and have a habit of trying to turn every fighting game thread into a Tekken thread. It might even just be one autist, but it's enough for me to damn Tekken.

>>10308510
No one cares about Tekken except Tekken fans now.

>>10308281
only got into the series a couple years ago but i really like it. beat 1 through 11 including &forte, x1 through x6, and zero 1. and i bought 11 during the summer sale after pirating it
>>10308465
same but also metroid

>>10308529
So you just hate mega man? The “deep lore” is better than sonic by a million times. Sonic lore is so ass fucked into oblivion at least mega man still has cohesion in its plot line. You shit on mega man fanatics while trying to defend sonic cultists, like you have a leg to stand on, but in reality it’s a mole hill you’re dying on.

>>10308541
he's been shitting up mega man threads for about a week now because he doesn't have anything better to do, don't bother

>>10308105
Inafune got too big for his britches so they destroyed his baby.

>>10308529
>Sonic autism is a meme
Peep these threads nigga
>>/vr/image/VMQS8Ps/a/DDoJ6QKnv5yQ

>>10308529
>But Mega Man has 12 threads a day that all get 300 replies
>Mega Man is the most massively overrated and overjerked franchise
The world you live in, do you guys have Legends 3 and X9 there?

>>10308138
>It was still making profit, the games were cheap as fuck to make
and who the fuck are you to say that? Capcom accountant? do you have any numbers to back that up?
the fact that they stopped trying means MM stopped being profitable.

>>10308120
/thread
Really. Even Street Fighter today can only dream of getting a fraction of a Resident Evil's game budget.

>>10308465
This sounds like a Third Man joke

>>10308105
it didn't sell much and never really transitioned to 3D all that well. PS2 raised the budgets for games, and they couldn't reuse same sprites anymore. the franchise was put against the wall, it was both 2D and not big enough to warrant investment. all while RE, Monster Hunter, DMC, Onimusha etc. were selling far, far better. GBA / DS was its last resort.
look at the pic. here's a simple truth: in Japan, Battle Network series sold more than the rest of MM series combined. that means MM1-8, MMX1-8, the GB games, MMZ, MML, all the reissues, and so on.
(1/3)

>>10308105
it didn't sell much and never really transitioned to 3D all that well. PS2 raised the budgets for games, and they couldn't reuse same sprites anymore. the franchise was put against the wall, it was both 2D and not big enough to warrant investment. all while RE, Monster Hunter, DMC, Onimusha etc. were selling far, far better. GBA / DS was its last resort.
look at the pic. here's a simple truth: in Japan, Battle Network series sold more than the rest of MM series combined. that means MM1-8, MMX1-8, the GB games, MMZ, MML, all the reissues, and so on. only X1/X2 and 3/4 were remotely close to MMBN in popularity.
(1/3)

>>10308657
>>10308105
(2/3)
on PSX / PS2, no MM game sold more than 1 mln worldwide, which is pretty poor considering far less famous franchises achieved that. there are 3 Greatest Hits MM games: MMX4, MML and MM8. that means the rest didn't sell well at all; the bar for Greatest Hits was set fairly low.
and if you checked the UK mags…

>>10308663
>>10308657
>>10308105
…yeah.

>>10308663
>>10308670
Reminder that game journalists have always been useless.

on a side note, I still dream that MMX would get a DMC-like followup, where you just get a cool slasher with Zero and TPS with X. it's a game that should have existed, but alas the absolute state of the franchise would only allow mobile games at this point.

>>10308682
>only allow mobile games at this point
Japanese OLD MEN only see mobile games as the solution to infinite yen. That's all they will ever make forever. Our favorite companies have given up and they have all went 100% mobile.

>>10308673
This. what a horrible, bland review with absolutely no info how the game actually plays it just sounds like this
>”I’m a fat sad bong who don’t loik seein happy things, it’s got too much colour, an as a bri’ish mole person I only live in bogs where it rains slick slime an everything is putrid coloured, like me soul, an me speccy”

>>10308281
me, megaman and castlevania are my two favorite franchises of all time

>>10308465
anon my brother

>>10308670
This will never not be genuinely embarrassing to read, holy shit.

>>10308715
How? Most Mega Man games are shovelware trash. It's entirely the most overrated.

>>10308738
>Most Mega Man games are shovelware trash
All classic games are good, half of the X games are good, all Zero+ZX games are good except ZXA, all Legends games are good

>>10308745
>All classic games are good
All classic games are bad, objectively. They all have poorly designed shit and elements of jank, they were made by amateurs and released one after another in a quantity over quality fashion. They have objective, terrible flaws that make them shit.
>a game is good where you can beat a boss by pausing, no cap!
No, it's trash

>>10308738
>Most Mega Man games are shovelware trash
by what measure? there is so much variety within the series and spinoffs this comes off as really retarded.

>>10308738
Just because a youtuber told you that, doesn't make it entirely true.

>>10308747
>one after another in a quantity over quality fashion
But enough about your brothers and sisters

>>10308747
>They have objective, terrible flaws that make them shit.
Okay, why not mention them? I'm sure you've played them and can actually go into detail about their flaws.

>>10308749
It's literally shovelware, half assed games put out in mass quantity, they couldn't bother perfecting one game instead of spewing out 100 low grade ones

>>10308757
okay i'm disengaging if you are going to talk to me like that

>>10308757
Dude, why are you on every single megaman thread? Repeating the same words over and over again.

Someone got mad that his abhorrent posts were deleted.

>>10308768
Autism. That's why.

>>10308756
This. What is bad in the level design and whatnot?

>>10308756
>why not mention them?
Because he's a retard with no actual arguments.

>>10308760
>>10308768
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>>10308770
>>10308773
>you cant criticize my overrated game series

None of you assmad fanboys are going to be objective, blind loyalty and corporate worship is all you know. I already mentioned how you can cheese Yellow Dipshit by literally pausing the game, you defend a game so utterly broken? And they all have some jank like that. Laughable.

>>10308783
Your favorite game is shit

>>10308783
Please list other problems besides the Yellow Devil cheese strat that was only in the first game, which is pretty fucking unstable. I don't even like the first game all that much. But the first game doesn't count for an entire series.

>>10308783
nice work proving them right

>>10308808
I could never in good faith call a game "good" when it has unprofessionally designed shit like this. It didn't age well.

>>10308817
That's it? A single boss?

>>10308114
Legends is before Cockarina and Legends 2 plays more like a 3D MegaMan instead of an adventure/exploration game.

>>10308821
A game can't be good if it has a shit part. A game is the sum of all its parts, you can't neglect the garbage aspects from the overall rating like MM fans do with every game.

>>10308817
>>10308826
Your mom

>>10308817
>actually getting filtered by Boobeam Trap so hard that you write off the entire game out of buttmad
>99% chance you were playing on the american "normal" mode as well
Anti-MM2fags are my favorite.

>>10308826
Yeah, a sum of all its parts. A single failure doesn't result in a completely ruined project.
Your arguments are really weak and they're more nitpicks that you're making into a huge issue. I'm not even a "cultist" like you were boogeymanning about earlier, all of the games have problems (Overpowered charge shot in 5, fucked up Buster sounds in 6/overpowered jetpack/fucked up sliding), but I still enjoy them because each game overall is great.

>>10308826
never own a car

>>10308838
>all of the games have problems (Overpowered charge shot in 5, fucked up Buster sounds in 6/overpowered jetpack/fucked up sliding), but I still enjoy them because each game overall is great.
Right and wrong. They all have problems, and that's why they're not great. Enjoy them all you want, but they're not "greatest games" for their time on any objective list. They're B-tier at best.

>>10308783
>NOOOO, UR FIRST GAME IN A FRANCHISE MADE BY DEVS STILL INEXPERIENCED ON THE HARDWARE MADE ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO ISNT ALLOWED TO HAVE A GLITCH I FOUND OUT ABOUT IN 2003 WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE INTERNET!!!!

>>10308826
>My son has a birth mark. Time for a post-term abortion.

>>10308281
I did you fucking faggot.

>>10308670
>Brits seething over colors
Lol, lmao

>>10308114
And yet both games ended up being extremely unique, especially battle net

>>10308281
Mega Man is one of the most popular retro franchises you brown zoomy. There's a reason he's in smash bros

10308281
only a tourist would make a post this retarded
don't even deserve a (you)

>>10308281
mega man legends 1 is great. mega man 2 and mega man 8 are great. that's about it.

>>10308783
>going to be objective
You made the claim that the games are bad. The burden of proof is entirely on you.
Until you're capable of actually making an argument to your claim we'll keep calling you a stupid faggot and call your opinion shit.

>>10309185
and 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, &forte, 9, 10, 11, x1, x2, x3, x4, zero 1, and a good deal more that i haven't played yet

>>10308817
Uhhoh we have sonic 3 levels of rage quit

>>10308749
lmao is that an AI parody of the granite countertop Anon who owns literally everything ever?

>>10309254
He owns everything besides a PC
Legit autist

>>10308105
Because Mega Trans Legends dogshit were the worst games in the series and the best was a MM2 rehash in 2008

>>10308657
I will never forgive the Japs for letting the legends series die like that

>>10309270
>everything besides a PC
lol
lmao

>>10309284
Put it together faggot

>>10309291
He wanted to show off his retro components obviously. Though if wants to be able to brag on /vr/ he should buy a Gravis UltraSound since they're stupidly expensive now

>>10309254
it's actually a vinyl countertop it's not real granite

>>10308105
Probably because there's at least 10 of them already. They're not good as Mario so why keep releasing so many.

Would rather see 10 different releases of a bunch of other games rather than this one

>>10308281
Always thought this was odd. I didn't see it being played that often. Only knew one spoiled kid that was obsessed with it. Not too many others brought it up unless they were the type to play everything

It's an ok game but I didn't understand why they needed so many of it. Probably some billionaire put a bunch of stock in it

>>10308783
Wow....A NES game being glitchy, no fucking hell, you retard

>>10308848
Everything has problems, the thing is how big those problems are

Think of it this way.
Regardless of budget for tech, you pay employees.
Paying employees to work on a Megaman game for 9-12 months gets you a game that sells a million at most (rough figures)
Paying employees to work on RE, SF, or whatever gets you several times that.
Say a group of employees get paid 1 million a year to make games.
If you make Megaman games for 5 years, they might make as much as one RE game, but you spent 5 times as much time and money for employees, so the investment is just not worth it considering their options.
It's sad, because I love these games, and others from other companies which cut back on smaller titles, but it's the right decision for the company and the job security of employees and the economy of their country.

>>10308105
Presumably because despite the effort it didn't reflect in sales so they went back to play it safe and inevitably left the franchise to die because they played it safe.
Personally I blame the box art. MM1 and 2's box art looks like some chinese knockoff.

>>10309874
Just to add to this, this is a pattern we often see with other old franchises, making the jump to 3D, maybe the game isn't very well received or it doesn't sell well, goes back to basics and sooner or later just dies off.

>>10308281
Me. I bought these

>>10308281
I have all 3. They are easily in the top 5 games of the psx-ps2 era

>>10309874
The Japanese box art actually wasn't terrible. They just have shit taste in games.

>>10309956
Shit taste, cringe photo.

>>10309808
>YOU HAVE TO PRETEND THE GLITCH DOESNT MATTER CAUSE ITS OLD
Shit is still shit

@10309583
>I didn't see it being played that often.
it's always been (slightly) more obscure franchise than sonic/mario. yeah, 100% of everyone played Sonic or Mario. It's also known for being (slightly) harder so it'd filter more people.
It's like saying you don't see many Alunda or (random franchise) players. It's not the #1 top franchise but it's known enough that some buy it despite not being sold with the console. If you know someone who played it so I don't get the surprise.
@10308281
this is some bizarre bait and I don't get what's it trying to achieve. You're trying to prove people talking about the megaman games somehow didn't play it? Despite you yourself playing it? How would they even know the games then? My head hurts.

>>10308105
Mega Man Legends just didn't sell that well. The sales were okay at best. These games weren't critically received well when it came out.

Now, ppl always acted as if they loved Mega Man Legends the whole time.

>>10309956
You don't even have the demo disc?

>>10308114
Pokemon wishes it was half as fun as Battle Network.

>>10310607
i guess that's why pokemon is a famous game series enjoyed by many, and battle network is not

>>10310825
>sold millions of copies
>not famous or enjoyed by many

>>10308817
Just farm energy pellets, this small bump in the road doesn't compare to the bad moments in 1 and 3.

>>10308670
UK and USA gamers hating anime is so funny when everywhere else it was beloved

>>10309280
I don't think Westerners cared that much either.
I really feel like in the West, people greatly exaggerate how successful Mega Man series really was. I guess that's because the series was so famous in NES / early SNES era, and kept getting new games so you might think it was big.

>>10311762
Legends sold better in both US and EU but yea no where close to a million copies

>>10312962
Legends 2 did even worse but by that time the ps1 was already obsolete as the ps2 was about to launch

>>10310534
>Now, ppl always acted as if they loved Mega Man Legends the whole time.
I did. Megaman64 was one of my favorite games growing up

>>10312962
400k in US is decent, but still nowhere near the hits of that era. Even games like 2Xtreme or Fighting Force that have barely 1/10th of MML fame managed to sell over 1 mln units (and this is probably all in the West).
MML2 was warranted, but it sold even worse (picrel). So where that left Capcom? Would they go for MML3?
I think if they made it for PSX on same engine and reusing same assets, then it wouldn't be out of question. but PS2 raised the budgets 3-5 times for games. They also couldn't get away with basic controls anymore, it needed a big gameplay refinement for the PS2 era, plus probably some CGI, bigger environments to look worth buying, and so on.
so they'd need a big investment for an underperforming series, that sold worse than the 2D Mega Man games (!). even the fucking X5 / X6 sold better than MML2.
When they saw that they'd have to compete with far more impressive 3D games in 6th gen, I guess Capcom said "fuck it" and pulled the plug on the series. especially after MMBN basically outdid the rest of the franchise.

>>10308749
DOP is the best in the series, suprised they only made 4 games. Pufp Play is a hidden treasure on the Mega Drive, easily the best euro platformer.

>>10308783
How would you feel if it criticize your overrated superhero comic?

>>10310825
Because Pokemon is driven on merch and the anime while BN is just the most part of the Mega Man series
Why do you think they admitted Gen 2 designed sucked because they made everything cute and easier to animate?

>>10313208
Not him but BN has a massive merch + anime campaign going for it.

>>10313208
>Why do you think they admitted Gen 2 designed sucked because they made everything cute and easier to animate?
This quote did a number on the fence riders of the pokemon fandom

>>10312962
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>>10313027
>VGshartz
Either pull data from official trackers and fiscal year reports, or fuck off.
Next you'll tell me Star Fox Assault was a million seller (it wasn't)

>>10313212
BN isn't driven by merch and Mega Man always had animated spinoffs.
Speaking of, i wished retooled Super Adventure Rockman into an animated movie than CYOA cutscenes.

>>10313213
Oh it did, the spammer /vp/tard claiming it mistranslated then getting btfo was more hilarious.

>>10313208
*most successful part

It sold 900k

>>10313229
>>10313216

>>10308114
>having a trading feature and anime means it's le ripping off Pokeymanz
Found the Season 1-4 anipoke watcher

>>10313216
Just take the bullet and admit Legends fucking failed.