/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10275294
>>10275294
With that much alcohol even an old fat black and white tv from the 50s would look like pvm. You have beer goggles on my freind. Picrel looks like ass, which is how you’re going to feel tomorrow

>>10275294
I have maybe the same monitor (SyncMaster 763MB) but its way too warm in terms of color temperature and everything has a yellow tint. No real options for color in the menu either. Anyone know if theres some kind of secret menu or dial to change this?

Waterfalls, bitch!

>>10275636

>>10275298
This monitor is ALOT better then any PVM in terms of resolution, the photo just isnt good.
If you think a PVM is sharper then even a low end PC monitor boy do I have a 400$ worn out studio monitor to sell to you

>>10275723
The point isn’t just to be sharp dumbass
People use them to play their real consoles
240p and 480i are subpar on PC monitors for non PC retro gaming

>>10275742
Good thing that Doom is a PC game then huh?

>>10275750
>If you think a PVM is sharper then even a low end PC monitor boy do I have a 400$ worn out studio monitor to sell to you

>>10275832
you compared the two in the first place with this idiotic post >>10275298

>>10275843
he's saying it's a shit photo
It literally makes it look like you have super eagle texture smoothing shit

>>10275846
Sexo

CRT chads, it might be over...

>>10275554
>Anyone know if theres some kind of secret menu or dial to change this?
You will be in a world of pain if you decide to go down this path.
Look for "Samsung Softjig calibration"

>>10276989
Thank christ. I'm tired of expensive, heavy, aging equipment to achieve the look I want for my games.

>>10275294

>>10275294
I found a 75e SamTron at my work today? I already have a SyncMaster, Compac 19", Sony Triniton and two Dell Monitors. So I'm wonder if it is worth taking, as I read that the quality on SamTroms is bad.

>>10276989
yeah no

>>10277947
SamTrons/Samsungs only get good starting on the 19" models.

>>10278028
This one was 17" I believe.

>>10277006
Thanks. I'll look into this.

>>10277631
wasn't there some safety hazard with karaoke machines?

>>10279183
No clue. But if i turn the volume all the way up the monitor starts going spastic.

>>10279183
found it in the archives. it was that craig and other brand picture tubes were fragile

>>10279498
That was my craig I found at goodwill for $7. The speaker on it was L O U D and I would had kept it for the novelty. However, like you probably saw, someone mentioned that they are not regulated as TVs so if it does blow up then you are getting a pipe bomb of plastic and glass to the face.

Lads. 25" Philips, mid 90s, supports PAL and NTSC, RGB and S-Video. Original remote, found the manual and service manual online. Got it cheap on eBay of all places. It was cheap because a) he put the title as "For Sale" and didn't even list it as a TV, and b) it's "faulty" (it isn't, it just needs degaussing because he's not used it for ages). Picking it up at the weekend.
Good deal for (equivalent of) $30?

>>10279702
>it isn't, it just needs degaussing because he's not used it for ages
You do realize that every TV has an internal degaussing coil, right? An external degauss won't fix what I assume is a color purity issue.

>>10279702
>>10279714
Internal TV degaussing coils are typically weak. You can try to degauss it by turning it on then off and waiting 20 minutes before turning it on again. Repeat this process a few times and if the color purity doesn't improve you will have to use an external degausser. If that still doesn't fix the issue then the yoke might have shifted.

>>10279714
Yes, of course I realise that. Do you have a point?

>>10279521
How the fuck did they get away with giving it an external video input then?

>>10280091
China

What games really shine on a crt?

Found someone selling these CRT monitors which one/s would be worth it? They are selling the lot for 300$

>>10280403
None of them are anything special and an average of $37 seems a little high but I guess it's not entirely egregious if they are all in decent condition.

>>10280431
Thanks, another option I Can get is a 20in 1995 Mitsubishi Diamond scan 20 plus for 70. Is this a better deal?

Remember to tip your movers well. Those 300lb triniton xbrs are a bitch to get in and out of the living room.

>>10280554
Possibly. Mitsubishi made great monitors but this one is from 1995 so the max resolution might be limited. Then again 20in monitors were uncommon in '95 wich makes me think this was a top end monitor for the time. I can't find any information for this specific monitor but apparently some diamond scan monitors from that time are capable of 15KHz. Perhaps the model number from the nameplate on the back would turn up something.

>>10275294
Level looks like it's episode one computer labs.

The seller has this video with the description showing it's higher resolution capabilities. Seems like it's worth it. I'm a newfag wanting to get into CRT. So all advise given to me has been helpful thanks.

>>10280705
>interlace
Expect the max progressive resolution to be half that although that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Ask the seller for the model number on the back although I would probably get it anyway if it puts out a good picture as it looks like a cool monitor to add to the collection. Worst case scenario it would be perfect for PC games from the era.

>>10280286
Retro games anon, all of them

>>10280705
For high resolution avoid.
That thing can do like 1024p at best as a pre Diamondtron mitsubishi

>>10280705
>>10281089
I found the video and if a commenter is to be believed the horizontal scan range is 30 - 130KHz. He has another video of the same monitor where he is pushing 1800 x 1320p. Prime mode might be 1024 x 768 or possibly 1280x1024 but should look passable at higher resolutions. The monitor I am posting from has a prime mode of 1024 x 768 but I am pushing it to 1600 x 1200 interlaced while exceeding the spec'd horizontal scan of 70KHz as much as the automatic cutoff will allow and it looks acceptable. That Mitsubishi monitor from 1995 appears to be more capable than my Mitsubishi monitor from 2003.

Is it okay to leave my 40 inch sony triniton on all the time? It has a Screensaver.

>>10281170
The phosphors will fade quicker and the filaments will wear out quicker.

>>10281167
it might be a bit better then your 03 since its bigger and your 70khz mitsubishi is the lowest of the low end they made in 03.
Doesnt even have a Diamondtron tube.
You need to decide if its worth it for yourself.
I can tell you right now 130khz is bullshit that Mitsubishi is probably around 65khz maybe 75khz so not much more then the one you have currently.
Does not compare to later models for high resolution at all

>>10281313
You're probably right about the scan rate. Looking at the 20M specs he mentioned he seems to have gotten his numbers crossed. Oddly enough I can't find any information on the 20 plus, not even on Mitsubishi's website on the wayback machine. It's as if the monitor doesn't exist. For what it's worth I was able to locate pics related for the 20H dated 12/96.

>>10281537

The Raspberri Pi 5 is losing composite video out by default and losing the headphone jack too. I still keep a ps3 around to watch videos on my CRTs but maybe I should buy a Pi 4 in case it dies. Or is there anything else that works well for this?

>>10282230
a DVD player or VCR?

>>10282239
My mom threw away all my tapes in the early 2000s and I threw away all my DVDs like ten years ago. Nothing of value was lost.

>>10282249
filtered.
Having a physical collection is worth it

>>10282258
VHS tapes are slowly degrading over time and all of them are worse quality than they were 20 years ago and DVDs are just an inconvenient form of digital media.

>>10282274
what im gonna say to that is eh.
It depends how they were stored.
The VHS tape itself doesnt really degrade unless it gets moldy or flakey, which again storage.
What you are talking about is the contents on the tape dissapearing to the magnetic interference, but if you store tapes away from speakers TVs and other things containing electromagnets you can halt that aswell.
I have recorded a fresh tape with new content and the quality was not significantly better then old prerecorded VHS media.
>tldr
As long as VHS tapes arent stored near magnets or grow mold theyll be just fine.
Id be more worried about the VCRs, VCRs are bitches long term and I dont think they are making new ones

>>10282319
I was under the impression that even when stored correctly over long time frames the tapes become degraded.
>Id be more worried about the VCRs
Aren't they quite simple machines? Even if they all died surely some guy would start making them in his garage? At any rate they were made as recently as the 2010s so they won't be that hard to source even down the line.

>>10282230
Just use an RGB hat and then break out composite from that

>>10282328
I pre ordered the pi 5 mostly to have a portable way to use with my Sindens and this is more of a secondary use case. The loss of the headphone jack is going to be the bigger problem I think.

>>10275294
what was the best 15 inch sony trinitron?

when i bought my old pc the princenton monitor was delayed so the store gave me a sony trinitron for 2 weeks. When the princenton monitor arrived i was dissapointed. The sony was amazing.

>>10282327
they keep better then DVDs in most cases.
>arent VCRs simple
they are more complicated then a CRT in some aspects.
tons of moving parts, belts that can go bad etc.
The tape gets partially ripped out of the VHS cassete and spun around alot of parts inside the machine and the VHS drum spins aswell.
All of this stuff can and does wear out of a long period of them.
Even when not in use belts degrade, but thats easy enough to fix if you know what you are doing
>remanufacturing VCRs
Even audio casette players are such utter shit quality nowadays, a new VCR would probably be awfull even if there was a market for it

>>10282274
All of my childhood tapes still work, even the ones recorded on crappy broadcast RF. I only had 2 moldy tapes, and they were stored under heavy humidity.
Even if the plastic shell itself or the spindles break, it's possible to transfer the tape itself into another shell. If the tape tears or is cut, you can easily use adhesive tape and it will playback fine for the most part.

That's why VHS tapes are virtually indestructible and very robust, so there's no such thing as "getting worse as time goes on", unlike discs, that often get scratched.

americans are retarded as always

>>10282550
>That's why VHS tapes are virtually indestructible and very robust, so there's no such thing as "getting worse as time goes on", unlike discs, that often get scratched.
i have over 10 disney boxed VHS and all of the ones i had growing up work fine but my wife has more than i do and when we checked out her tapes awhile back they strobed like a motherfucker. i wouldn't sign my name next to anything considering it's all going to be smashed to dust eventually.

>>10283147
We are all gonna die everything decays nothing lasts forever.
But for preservation it doesnt get much better then magnetic tape, which is why its still in use today for archiving and storing large files that dont need to be accessed often

I FINALLY FUCKING HAVE ONE!!!

>>10283304
ONE OF US ONE OF US

>>10283304
And I found it for free next to my garbage bin, it feels so good bros.

>>10283304
Congrats

>>10275636

>>10283304
>>10283323
I love that I'Art TV so much. I'm trying to get a second one if I see one.

is putting an anti-glare film on a CRT blasthemy? I luv me CRT but having to dim the lights in my room because the ceiling light catches the screen is getting pretty old.

>>10283304
Where can I get a replacement front door though? And also where should I get a remote? There are remotes specifically for this model on eBay but they’re all from China.

just bought my first crt today
am i ever gonna get used to the high pitched ringing?

>>10283565
Uhh how loud is it?

>>10283532
MAKE IT OUT OF WOOD!!!

>>10283579
not very loud, just audible enough to hear faintly and annoy you

>>10283532
3D print
Sand down and then paint

>>10283532
Be a Chad and put duct tape over it.

>>10283586
If it’s more like a hiss then it’s a capacitor
If it sounds like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur0J4uxZ-ko then you either get used to it or deal with it

>>10283791
not sure how i'd deal with it but getting used to it sounds plausible

>>10283838
just turn up the volume to drown it out

>>10283586
The sound is highly directional, mostly comes out the back, and can reflect off surfaces. Try putting something soft like a pillow behind the the TV in the vicinity of the flyback. If that doesn't work then either get another TV with better potting or just learn to live with it.

>>10283934
>The sound is highly directional
?

>>10283867
>>10283934
Realistically, if it's barely noticeable, can a constant ring fuck up your ears?

>>10284071
nah unless its above a certain dB threshold

>>10283375
>filename
this makes me feel a certain type of way
not sad, but longing, for a time\place that is long gone
i wish i appreciated those times more
i wish i slowed down and let it soak in
i wish i fought harder to cling to those memories

>>10279702
post model number bitch
i need an rgb arcade monitor and even pelco toaster pos ones are hundreds now

post it
do it faggot

>>10283532
You're probably shit out of luck for the door.

For a replacement remote the website ElectronicAdventure has been pretty good to me, they should be able to find you the OEM or at least a compatible remote

>>10275294
poggers

>>10284484
damn that's a big PS1 controller

>>10284485
entire thing runs off small batteries
my peers = "black and white tv?! what will you do with that grandpa?"
tetris one of the top selling games of all fucking time, gameboy port was black and white. all the gen 1-2 pokemon games (also insanely high sales) playable in black and white.

i might not be watching the news on it,
but i love this little thrift store tv
i got it literally NiB for 15$

>>10284484
smol

>>10284526
>>10284484
verification not required.

>>10282230
composite will still be available on the board just wont have a jack for it
>We’ve removed the four-pole composite video and analogue audio jack from the board. Composite video, now generated by RP1, is still available from a pair of 0.1”-spaced pads on the bottom edge of the board.

>>10283304
おめでとう弟さん!

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

source:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousCRTMasterRace/wiki/misconceptions/

>>10284634
>This page will attempt to dispel some misinformation about CRT-based displays.
Why do you never post the headline to this link you keep linking?

>>10282365
>>10275294
does anyone alive and into pcs from 1996 to 2000 know?

>>10284642
that's just a fancy way of saying it lists facts about CRTs

>>10281089
>>10281167
I was the original anon who made the post. Thanks for interesting with all the info both of you dumped. Just been searching around and I found a better deal a 2000, dell M991 for 50$ gonna pick it up Sunday.

Never heard of Medion, specs look interesting. Can anyone make any comment on this monitor?

>>10285901
what kind of comment?

>>10284525
The only pvm i own is in black and white and thats exactly what it's pretty much used for, game boy stuff.

>>10286170
Opinion, instincts, any informed statement that reviews this monitor.

What are the cheapest component cables I can get for Genesis (model 2) that actually work? I keep seeing shit about the Retrovision HD cables but no way am I paying $80+

>>10284634
Illiterate redditor detected

>>10284645
dis·pel
/dəˈspel/
verb
make (a doubt, feeling, or belief) disappear.

mis·con·cep·tion
/ˌmiskənˈsepSH(ə)n/
noun
a view or opinion that is incorrect because based on faulty thinking or understanding.

Illiterate redditor detected

>>10284645
>misinformation is facts
No, you're just illiterate

>>10285901
It's most definitely a rebadge but I don't know of what. Most probably a shadow mask CRT. Specs make it look respectable but "professional" is probably overselling it. If the condition is good and the price is right I would get it.

>>10284634
Why would you compare an CRT to an LCD of all technologies?
LCD blacks are terrible in any light.

This has to be bait. And I fell for it.

>>10284484
ITA ??

>>10285901
I have that monitor.
Its a decent enough little monitor

>>10286537
missed information is knowledge you didn't get and need to see again

Is 60i equivalent to 30p in video? Interlacing just splits a frame up into 2 frames, right? So a game running at 60i would be outputting 30 whole frames per second, just with half a frame on each refresh?

>>10283791
>can hear this clear as day in video form
>have never heard it from my CRT
Do certain CRTs just not emit the noise or something?

>>10287908
with interlacing one frame is made of two fields, so 60 fields per second means 30 complete frames. usually you'd call that 30i. it gets a little complicated though because game consoles like the gamecube can generate 60 fps and only output one interlaced field per frame, so you only get half of any frame.

>>10287908
Interlaced video is 2 fields per frame. Progressive video is one field per frame. So 60i is 60 fields per second or 30 frames per second.

>>10288015
Interesting. So on a CRT if you're playing a 60fps Gamecube game in 480i, are you effectively only getting 30 full frames per second?

>>10288075
you're getting 60 fields but they are from different frames. so really you're getting no full frames.

>>10287908
>>10288015
>>10288041
>>10288075
>>10288171
Adding some notes of my own, goofiness like this is where 480i might still have a place. Take for example Resident Evil 4 on the Gamecube/PS2.
>Game has a 480p mode
>Game runs at 30 fps
>Interlacing video arguably creates an antialiasing effect
>Progressive scan removes that effect
Not sure if that would hold necessarily true for RE4 though specifically because it's running at 30 fps. Someone else please add some context if I'm understanding it right.

Is there an easy fix if I have no equipment for these horizontal lines that slowly shift across my tv? It's the set I had since a kid, would be sad to throw it away. The image is also incredibly blurry and pale looking

>>10288493
Should've taken a clearer pic. Look in the top left corner. Those rigid lines are all across the screen

>>10288493
Those look like retrace lines, you probably need to replace capacitors

>>10288649
alternatively, your G2 could be too high, how bright is your screen?

>>10275294
Fellas I just found a Sony WEGA KV-20FS120 for 20 American dollars at an estate sale

>>10288359
30 frames interlaced is just like broadcast tv. i think 480i vs 480p would look pretty comparable but 480p wouldn't have interlacing artifacts. 480i might have better motion clarity but they're probably about the same

>>10288649
Is that an easy fix? I have no electrical experience, tools besides screwdrivers, and I've never had to open up and discharge a set before.

>>10288779
The G2 is, however should only be done if the image is too bright
It’s just a little adjustment knob on the fly back usually

I need tips for fixing red push on my Sony CRT.
If I turn off AXPL all the reds/yellow/browns look desaturated and wrong, consequentially making greens look really preeminent.
Leaving it on is not an option as it makes everything feel like it has a red tint to it, also increases the color bleeding.

Anyone has tips on what I should adjust? Exact model is a KV27FV15, AA-2W chassis, if it helps. Pic isn't mine.

Can I connect a Mister directly to an Apple Multiple Scan 15AV monitor? It seems to have a VGA outlet, but most documentation I find refers to it having some proprietary Apple outlet?
>>10288997
Might be an issue on the board. Have you checked the caps?

>>10288997
Probably disable the push and then recalibrate colours
Otherwise it might be just capacitors

>too fragile to be shipped, you have to go to the owner's house and talk to them like a man instead of hiding behind a computer screen
>heavy, requires you to have a car to take it home, filters cyclists and poor people
>says fuck you to your desk space, big size forces you to set it on the floor or some furniture and play some feet away from a couch, the way god intended
CRTs are unfathomably based

>>10289014
from what i can tell it uses an apple connector, not vga. but you might be able to use a passive converter

>>10289164
>heavy, requires you to have a car to take it home, filters cyclists and poor people

Fucking weakling cope. You carry that fucker like a man the couple blocks back to your house from where you found it or you swipe a hobos shopping cart if its still to much for you to handle.

>>10289164
>careful packaging
>cargo bikes
>small sets
it can be done

>>10289018
>recalibrate colours
That's the problem, I can't recalibrate them right. Always feels off.

>>10289014
>caps
No, the TV is alright. It's expected behavior from this set. I was just wondering how people recalibrate their sets after turning the red push off. I actually found forum posts from 2001 of people complaining about the same issue.

>>10289170
I mean, it looks exactly like a VGA port? Even the manual for the monitor doesn't mention what type of connector it has, piece of shit

>>10289225
It just looks like an upside down VGA port.

>>10289225
Did you even try?

>>10289278
>>10289281
I'm currently trying to decide between a Hamburger or the MSS for the Mister, so I thought I'd order parts needed to make a converter from mouser while I'm at it.
I haven't tried yet no, lol.
I'm going to lug the monitor down from the attic, open it up, inspect and dust it off. It hasn't been powered on since '97 or so.

>>10289214
Do you have access to the 240p test suite pattern? Pull up a gray ramp and turn down your red drive/gain until everything looks neutral.

>>10290165
I tried that (leaving red push on and then decreasing RCUT), but it messes with the white balance.

I'm starting to think there's really nothing I can do without a proper colorimeter. It's a shame because this TV has pretty good geometry for a flat tube and perfect convergence.

>>10290247
RCUT will mostly affect the darker shades, RGAIN or RBIAS will affect the lighter shades. Might have to go back and forth between the two to get it to look normal. If that doesn't work then I'm not sure. I've calibrated with a colorimeter before and honestly just eyeballing it with a grayscale is good enough most of the time, so don't sweat that.

>>10290253
I tried, this was the best result I got:
RDRV 22 -> 30
GDRV 27 -> 19
BDRV 24 -> 24
RCUT 12 -> 10
GCUT 5 -> 2
BCUT 6 -> 6

Still eventually went back to stock + red push on. Was playing Wind Waker and Link's hair looking greenish was bothering the hell out of me.

When I switch to my composite-only Philips set the colors look way better, and I never did a single adjustment to it.

>>10290282
Did you try a tint adjustment afterwards? As long as white looks white and gray looks gray you should have your red drive/cut tuned in, then pull up an SMPTE color bar pattern to get your tint right. It helps if you have a blue filter but you can just eyeball it pretty well, you're just aiming to make the circled bars look like they have the same intensity (equally bright). If it's not a tint thing and your white also looks red then I'm not sure.

>>10288967
The set certainly isn't significantly brighter than before. The colours are just super washed out

>>10284352
Fine, then, you silly bitch.
Philips 25PT4523. And I was right, five minutes with a fridge magnet and all the colour purity issues went. This thing is insanely bright, seems like it's been barely used. Definitely needs a recap, though, and a proper calibration. One of those annoying ones where you need a special remote, but you can also bridge two points on the board, so I'll add a switch when I do the recap.

>>10290594

>>10290607

>>10290292
Thanks for the tips, anon. Spent a few hours calibrating it just now, tint wasn't really the problem.

Still feels somewhat wrong, but looks closer to what the picture should look, I think.
I used Resident Evil for the GC to adjust the cut right, using a gameplay on my phone as reference.

Green and oranges still look a bit wrong, probably need to mess with the blue color to get the balance right, but whatever. I spent way too much time on this. Might also just be a limitation of this set. Hopefully one day I'll just get a better TV and won't have to deal with this. For now it's a "pick your poison" situation.

Final adjustments:
RDRV 22 -> 26
GDRV 27 -> 22
BDRV 24 -> 24
RCUT 12 -> 10
GCUT 5 -> 5
BCUT 6 -> 6

>>10291147
That pic looks pretty good to me, Anon. It could very well be a limitation of the set. I know when I calibrated mine I couldn't get the secondary colors (cyan, magenta, and yellow) to match up to what I was targeting, no matter what I tried. As long as you've got red, green, and blue looking ok, I'd just pick a color temperature in the OSD if it has it (usually Standard, Warm, and Cool) according to preference and stick with it. With CRTs, a lot of it is just the art of learning when to call it "good enough" and just play some games, since by their nature you can never get them "perfect" anyway.

got a cheap 21 inch trinitron

it's awesome but the image is misaligned. the right side is below the left side by a couple of pixels. service menu didn't improved it

>>10291246
The neck is tilted most likely
You can either deal with it or rotate the whole neck of your crt

>>10291246
If it's a small amount the service menu should be able to correct it. You could also just live it. One or two degrees of tilt is normal and considered within spec. You could also try facing the tube in a different direction.

>>10283304
>newer model flat boy
grats. post upcloses.

>haven't played retro vidya or touched my CRT in ~4 years
>find interest again
>remember that the sync on my TV is broken
>"i wonder if PVMs are less retarded now?"
>check listings
>still $800-$2000 for anything past 8in and not broken

>>10291714
no shit retard, that's never going down unless the new retrostinks create the next big retro gamer grift trend. I know someone that *might* pass down a nice CRT to me if he decides to go full LCD with his.

>>10291717
how much longer are manchildren going to continually spend mortgage payments on these shelf princess displays that were ewaste 8 years ago? i just want to play gran turismo without dot crawl.

>>10291720
unironically 2 more weeks, trust mike chi's plan.
>mfw i actually bought a fucking multiformat like a dumbass but at least i'm in your boat and not buying any of it anymore just a CRT

>>10291724
>he thinks the 4K is going to be cheap
Lol
>>10291720
Is it really that hard to find a CRT with component?

>>10291736
did i imply that, faggot? These people will pay anything for the latest fad tech.
and also to spit at your response to that anon, component CRT's aren't super hard to find but most "know what they have" and it often isn't cheap even local.

>>10291736
yes? the only ones with component that show up locally are the gigantic1000lb ones nobody wants or has space for.

>>10291741
OH and that shit too, i've actually coincidentally enough seen a few good deals on CRTs, and they were unfortunately fat ass rear projections no one wants, and the one that was right up my alley came with an entertainment center i don't need/want.
that monkey paw is hilarious and anger inducing.

>>10291743
not those, i mean the comically big real CRTs. picrel are the only two listings that have component here. there are 0 on the craig. if i extend the search to CA then several hundred more gigantic WEGAs show up too but no small ones.

from my casual browsing, those gigantic HDCRTs that people thought were super rare and amazing years ago will sit on FBM/craigslist for several months at a time and I'm pretty sure all of them just go to the recycler because they're such a pain in the ass to deal with. widescreen WEGAs and JVCs are a dime a dozen here while component sets in reasonable sizes are fucking unobtainium apparently.

>>10291754
ohh these wide porkers, yeah ive seen those too. no one buys em here either.

>>10291147
Heres something thats a little unintuitive:
If you decrease red bias/cut you have to increase red grain.
cut affects the grey balance and the white balance, so you need to set cut correctly so that greys are good and then you need to do the same for whites with drive.
Since the two options do affect each other you have to go back and forth between them

>>10290575
It IS too bright though, those bars on the top and bottom are supposed to be black, not gray.
"Brightness" in the settings is in fact the black level, set too high it makes blacks gray and washes out the colors. Too low will crush your blacks. Turn it down all the way and go up by a tick at a time until you find the compromise between "perfect" blacks and black crush.
"Contrast", on the other hand, is the max picture level, i.e. white. You should tune it so the TV doesn't blow out highlights and is bright enough for your viewing environment. It takes a bit of fiddling, but I guarantee your display will look much better if you tune these settings properly.

>>10291929
I think he should turn down G2 ever so slightly to remove those lines first

>>10291931
Yeah, you're right. That should come before any adjustment in the settings menu.

>>10291935
I would also say the focus needs messing with too
That looks very blurry

>>10291876
Yeah, I noticed that. Problem is that red cut was way off by default. This scene in SH3 looked completely reddish instead of yellow.

Other problem was that the green was creeping into skin tones and yellows, which is why I decreased the drive. This is probably because the green calibration was done considering the red push. GCUT was fine.

Help me understand SCART cables. Do any CRTs support them or are they only for PVMs? If I buy some originals and not reproduction cables will they only work with PAL consoles?

>>10292184
>or are they only for PVMs
PVM's do not use SCART cables, they use BNC
SCART was used by European TV's
>will they only work with PAL consoles?
you need to look up what consoles support RGB natively

>>10291964
its so dimm and blurry not even the TV repairman of the year could get it to produce a nice image

>>10292382
Reset all user settings to center position then adjust G2 until black is reasonably black or at least until the retrace lines disappear then a pinch more. Next adjust focus. Then adjust the user settings. Finally you may need to tweak G2 and focus a little more. If you can't get a decent picture after this you may have a tired tube.

>>10292215
>SCART was used by European TV's
So basically if you don't literally live in Europe the only use for SCART is via converters or devices like OSSC?

Has anyone here attempted the RGB/component mod to the pcbs in a set lacking those inputs?

finally got my hands on a set with component and s-video inputs. geometry could be better but it was free so i won't complain.

>>10292967
JVC is always a winner imo. Congrats!

>>10293072
yeah i'm super happy to have it, just waiting for my hd retrovision cables and adapters then i'll be set.

the tube itself was apparently in a nearly unused rv for its entire life so it barely has any use. came with remote too!

>>10291720
>is the same manchild he's mad about
literal sour grapes

>>10293213
>is posting about CRTs on the old video games board on 4chan
no shit retard

>>10292382
Change the knobs on the flyback, don’t worry, you don’t have to discharge it, you adjust while the set is on, turn them ever so slightly until it is sharper and the lines disappear
Then drop the brightness and raise the contrast
Then you can calibrate
Also look for bulging capacitors when you open it, if there are obvious ones, you’ll need to replace them

Anybody got a guide for modding a L8 (I think) chassis Philips set? Pic related is a 20PS40S301 I picked up from my neighbor’s lawn last Friday. Having 2 composite in and 1 out plus an S-Video in is nice but I’d like to see component on it.

>>10293415
Forgot picture

>>10291720
>I have a demand for this low-supply product that is expensive because of high demand and low supply, but everyone ELSE that is demanding this low-supply product is a manchild, not me

>>10289164
>you have to go to the owner's house and talk to them like a man instead of hiding behind a computer screen
lol what a retarded LARP. Didn't even bother reading the rest.

Composite is the only true way to play retro.

>>10292545
That and RGB for consoles
people use SCART switchers and then SCART breakout to BNC to the PVM
it's a lot less mess of cables too

Retired CAD Monitor has a new career as vidya monitor now.
incredibly sharp
>>10293462
what?
CRT TVs are a high supply low demand commodity.
99% of people dont want them.
You find them lying on the side of the road and in every ewaste center.
Only PVMs and shit like that is rareish because it was only used by studios so there were never that many to begin with

why practice on a CRT when the bar does Smash tournaments on a cheap powerpoint projector? shouldn't you be training with the lag?

>>10294482
better question why practice smash?

>>10294482
I thought they played on a CRT that was dual-outputted to a projector.
>>10294571
Smash autism is extreme. Friends of mine spent literal thousands of hours just practicing Melee.

Nothing is more fun then bringing a new CRT home and setting it up for the first time then calibrating it.

What would you guys say is the best console to set up geometry?
Yes, I'm aware there is no universal perfect adjustment but, some say stay from snes etc.

>>10293415
>>10293424
Try RGB modding, way more feasiable and reliable than component.

>>10295427
The one you want to play on, just fire up the 240p test suite and adjust it, not like your geometry is gonna fuck itself up when you hook up something else.
The only thing that could differ is the screen position, but you'll have to adjust that for each source you connect if you want to be that autistic. It would drive me crazy for sure.

>>10295687
You got a guide or any info at all on doing it?

>>10296090
Unless you have a broad idea, I wouldn’t attempt it

>Playing on a CRT makes SNES look better!
>You shouldn't use filters!

What should I do then? Buy an entire overpriced retro set off ebay just so I can play Final Fantasy 6?

>>10296781
That's not even a CRT filter, just some NTSC composite vomit.

>>10296781
play it however you want, just know that if you want that composite look, you can't beat a CRT
I recommend just looking on Facebook Marketplace

>>10296781
You can get a cheap consumer set on facebook marketplace.

You don't need a PVM and component/RGB cables although it is quite the experience.

>>10296795
>>10296794
I just checked FB marketplace. Anything good is $300+

Did I miss the CRT boat?

>>10296806
type in old television/tv instead of CRT
even tube tv

>>10296793
I asked for solutions not your opinion.

>>10296794
>>10296795
FB marketplace? I'll check it out, thanks.
Though retros aren't that popular in my country, most of my nation only recognizes playstation.

>>10296806
There's like one actual CRT and it doesn't have S-Video and it's $100.

>>10296812
where you at?
there are some other trading sites

>>10296806
It's getting bad.

I paid $150 a couple months back for a 32in flat tube trinitron with component and s-video. I felt like I was getting ripped off but the second I bought it every other option locally was $300+

>>10296812
marketplace, craigslist, pawn shops. you've got options boyo, disregard idiots telling you to spend egregious amounts over $50 online.

>>10296818
UAE, habibi

>>10296870
No thrift stores here, FB marketplace is the only thrift store probably

>>10296813
>>10296829
Meanwhile crts are actually worthless and get dumped in the trash everyday

Any recommended guides for configuring a CRT image? I don't mean service menus, just the intended level of brightness, colors and such?

What games tend to recommend as brightness seems unusually dark and I just want to double check.

>>10297313
Use 240p test suite for all calibration
You probably want contrast around the middle mostly and brightness just needs a black screen, you can pretty much see when the black turns grey

>>10297326
Thanks for the recommendation, will look up how to boot it off ps2.
I think my problem in general stems from the fact that I grew up with cranked brightness like a retard and then with smartphones and lcd monitors that just took over and anything slightly darker looks odd.

>>10297313
color you need either a test suite or if you have it a colorimeter.
contrast set that to whatever you want, but higher contrast will increase wear on the crt.
brightness should be set so that blacks are truly black and not grey.
For optimal sharpness you may want to open the crt and adjust focus

>>10297335
Should’ve been raising the contrast instead of the brightness
Do you have any other consoles?
PS2 and PS1 don’t have it

>>10297349
>adjust focus
Do this only very slightly only a fraction of a turn

>>10297349
Understood, thanks. It's one of the euro flat trinitrons, it has a setting for sharpness in the regular menu.
I've had it for 25 years and it still works well. It does tend to "reset" the settings to a default once every couple of months but its been doing that since I got it.

>>10297350
No other consoles, just ps1 and ps2?

>>10297356
Do you have any of the PS1 capcom fighters?
That should be a good way to test

>>10297368
Both consoles are modded, I can get whatever game. Care to give a few more hints at what exactly do you mean? Do they have some kind of in-built guide/setting?

>>10297370
Not at all
I was just thinking they are extremely colourful contrasting colours, especially the marvel ones

>>10297350
>PS2 and PS1 don’t have it
They do apparently

https://github.com/filipalac/240pTestSuite-PS1/releases/tag/19122020

>>10297393
Must be some sort of fan port
Go ahead I guess

>>10297356
sharpness and focus is not the same thing.
sharpness is some kind of image processing, focus is how tightly the electron beam is actually focused

>>10297313
>>10291929

Also, you can boot up a Mega Drive emulator on the PS2 and the MD version of the suite, it works and outputs a proper 240p signal. Though you're limited by the MD color palette, so you may want to opt for the SNES version or something, but I haven't checked it out.

Ion fury

>>10296806
What you do is spend hundreds on a CRT on ebay, and then just tell everyone you found it on the street.
In all seriousness, there are still decent deals to be had. Don't look for 'CRT' or anything like that, look for 'old TV', or just browse the TV category for ones near you. I got two CRTs off ebay for very little (as in way, way less than $100) because they were just listed as televisions.
Also look for broken sets. As anon above discovered, many people don't realise that CRTs can develop purity issues if you store them next to speakers or some other magnetic field. They look at the funny colors, think it's broken and put it on ebay as a way of just getting someone to move it. Blown fuses and diodes are also simple fixes and tend to manifest as the TV being completely dead, but avoid ones where the TV powers up but won't come out of standby, they can be serious repair jobs.

>>10298376
or simply find them on the street for real

>>10298376
that search term shit is exactly what i told my friend, don't bother searching CRT, only people still calling them their real name are nerds/people who "know what they have". just "old tv" or "television/tv" is enough.

>>10284606
check out "MC kids"
fun game

>>10298447
how to get bugs in your house for free

Why the hell are 13 inch WEGAs double the price of 27 inch WEGAs? Wouldn't the bigger one be more valued and sought-after?

>>10298994
People don't want giant 200 pound TVs anymore. A nice desk setup or portable is much more sought after

>>10299002
I'll admit, in some ways, a smaller TV WOULD be nice and more convenient to deal with, but I thought people would want bigger for better picture, or something. Look at people getting giant widescreen LED TVs. Also, I don't think a 27 inch TV is 200 lbs. That's probably what the 36 inch TVs are.

Hey anons. How often are you able to find a VGA monitor that has an easily-accessible widescreen mode? I know some later 480i Trinitrons have a widescreen option but the best I can do with a VGA monitor is adjust the vertical/horizontal squeeze to extreme levels. It really only matters when I'm trying newer consoles like the Switch and PS4, admittedly, but I'd like to see what anyone has to suggest. Thankfully the Xbox One can render OG Xbox games in 640x480 which transcodes very nicely for stuff like Ninja Gaiden Black.

>>10299005
It is a lot of weight. My brother and I dragged down a 170lb 32in sony trinitron.

It really is magnificent even next to my 19in pvm but its a lot.

>>10299145
I assume that it's a flatscreen if it's that heavy

>>10299002
its not that i dont want it
it wont fit in my lexus and no one will help me move something that big again kek

i regret abandoning my 360lb silver wega during the wii era
but there was no way i was getting out of that upstairs apartment alone
>>10298974
for FREE?!

>>10298974
Doesnt happen.

>>10299413
Unless the house they originally came from was roach infested.

>>10299224
>it wont fit in my lexus
Oh come on, there's surely a way. I got a 29" into my A4 sedan, had to put it on the front passenger seat, but it fit.
If that doesn't work maybe borrow a pickup from your dad or something.

>>10299456
I got a 30" widescreen into the back seat of my Pontiac.

>>10276989
It was over a long time ago
It’s life support now.
Each day there are less of them.

>>10275294
That CRT looks like shit. I should know as I used to own that model.

>>10299415
your gonna notice at the latest when you put it into your car.
No risk of that

>>10299531
its a very nice upmarket crt.
Flat shadow masks are somewhat rare aswell

>>10284071
No

>>10299465
>>10299456
anon its a is250 chicky sedan
with leather seats i was barely able to fit my 14" disney tv after it came in the mail

i might drive to the bay and get a mother fucking pvm unless you fags talk me out of it

>>10299413
>bugs live outside
>the tvs are all stored (poorly) outside
>there is a magic barrier protecting crt tech from bugs

anon i open every bit of kit i get in the mail and i find FUCKED UP shit in almost all of them

>>10284071
I assume you're talking about Tinnitus
no, just because it sounds the same, it won't cause it

>>10299589
so open it on your porch and clean it if you are worried?
Same with bedbugs.
I mean bedbugs dont exist here because I dont live in a filthy 3rd world country but you know what I mean right?

>>10299586
>is250
Based, I actually want to get one (2nd gen) to replace my Audi, but I'm sure that will mean no more transporting CRTs of any kind.

>>10299723
i dont want to jinx it but my brothers audi fuckin blew up within a year
>>10299614
anon bedbugs are my deepest fear
i wont even speak of them

Can someone help me with winDAS? I have a G220r, and last year when I got it I was able to get windas working easily, I had the serial wires into a USB TTL adaptor and the progam has no issues
A year and a half later I’m noticing a heavy green tint on the screen so I went to hook it back up to windas and nothing I try seems to get it to connect with the monitor
Is there some secret step that I forgot to do from last time that I’m forgetting now?

>>10299573
wtf somehow it looks better from this angle

>>10299906
it looks really good irl but my smartphone is 10 years old at this point so the image can be blurry
>>10299849
windas is 20 year old software that was shit even back then.
Id recommend reinstalling on a new computer and trying again.
I did everything right the first time I did it but it just wouldnt work no matter what.
Then I installed it on a different PC and it just worked.
One of the many reasons I hate that godforsaken program

>>10299586
I didn't realize Lexus made compact cars. You might be able to make it work if you take the door off.

>>10299586
pvms are memes but if its not too out of your trouble to pick up id say go for it

>>10283304
>>10291565
Bros... is it supposed to look like this?

>>10300716

>>10299990
>>10299849
does the monitor have to be connected to the host computer? I don’t have VGA on this desktop anymore but I’ve considered a DP/vga or hdmi/vga adaptor

>>10300729

Is it just the game or is it the CRT?

>>10300769
What exactly are you seeing? Some of the pictures look like they might be a bit green. Also, turn of VSM if you didn't already.

>>10300716
>>10300729
>>10300762
>>10300769
Hopefully it’s just colour calibration and not one of the guns dying

>>10300740
no it just needs to display some kind of input.
A sony technician would have hooked it up to a dedicated signal generator to properly calibrate it

>>10300716
>>10300769
get a remote and do color calibration

Is this any good? DKC2 running on wii composite to a RCA 20" T20063. Any way from get better picture quality?

>>10301063
that's composite baby
you want a sharper picture, use different cables

>>10301093
I only have white and yellow. Am I better off just using a shader?

>>10301103
you can do what you like

>>10300902
What should I do to calibrate the colors after I get a remote?
>>10300815
What's VSM?

>>10301165
It looks like you are lacking blue

>>10301165
Velocity Scan Modulation. It's supposed to make the picture look sharper but it creates distortions. It will be in the settings menu if your set has it.

If you are using component try a different input before you go trying to calibrate colors. I had to reflow the solder on the component jack of my I'Art otherwise it would have bad color intermittently.

>>10301103
>>10301063
it looks fine
if you can run s-video do that instead

>pic related somewhat
you know the deal looks like shit in photos/videos
mostly decent in real life
ran it for an hour or two
no smells, no excessive heat, no noise
think its save for my young niece?
if she unplugs it when not using it &
has an adult help her with mario paint?

>>10301742
*safe for a seven year old?
manufacture date is 2008

>fell for the pvm meme
$100 + shipping from 50 miles away
did i fuck up? (14")
i wanted something i could play tate shit on

>>10301748
Probably. There's a 50/50 chance it'll be destroyed during transport.
>50 miles
That's all? Should've picked it up in person.

How are TruTech CRT's? Reliable? Shit tube quality or are they good? A buddy might be bringing one over tomorrow so i wanna know some info beforehand.

>>10301881
Target brand. Probably serviceable if you have nothing better. Don't pay much for it.

>>10301906
>serviceable
all i want is the composite slot mask in picrel, nothing perfectly crystal clear with visible perfect lines or whatever.
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F6rbd6sg23vc51.png

>mfw realizing some crt's need the remote to change input and that's why some people ask stupid high prices when it's included

>>10301753
they ignore my messages
fedex will hardfuck it soon
its going back obv if it gets fucked up anon

>>10301913
>>10301881
i had a truetech for a hot minute
my roommates put it on the curb during a electronics recycling day
they had the wrong day and it got rained on
it worked fine other than the shittiest speakers on earth and no s-video/component

if its free or less than $40 grab it
prob a safer bet than a "quality" set that is 15+ years older

>>10302125
Literally just use a universal remote

>>10302125
its the dumbest engineering oversight of all time
there is no reason for the inputs not to be on the mf channel list
my sony i had as a kid had av/av2 below channel 2

a universal remote prob will work with bigger brands
but fags in the arcade threads were fucked when it came to obscure disney late 2000s crt

My friend got lucky af. He works at an electronics retailer (selling TVs) and you can leave your old equipment there when you buy something. The employees can take whatever they like before it gets recycled. And someone left him this beautiful KV-25X5K. We're going to pick it up and go test it in the evening, after his shift.
Should serve him well, it's a great model. Supports RGB, S-Video, 60Hz, even NTSC4.43 (so you probably don't even need to mod a PAL PS1 and still play NTSC games in color via composhit if you like). I've got the exact same one myself, it has a beautiful picture and pretty good sound. Mine was very lightly used, wonder how many hours this one clocks at. No remote, but we'll figure something out.

>>10302221
from what i understand the ps1 is still region locked at the bios level
maybe its a per game basis
but nice set anon
my pvm i ordered supports ntsc and pal
+has the appropriate shape to rotate for vertical stuff like i wanted
bidwars are usually around the 400-500$ mark
so i hope it pans out & i just got lucky

my favorite crt was from the wii era i had a bigass 400lb sony wega
i cant recommend them now of course
but mine had low hours and was my grandmas that she bought new
many late nights on that set with college friends

>>10302216
yeah it'd be around 30-40, but without the remote, im not thinking its worth it to deal with that oversight >>10302220
might just play the waiting game and pay the extra $30-50~ value for the samsung model i've been looking at since i got to try it out a week ago.
fucking replacement remote for the truetech is between 20 and $50, it's proprietary and none of the universals support it.

There might be a sylvania in my area that may be doable, and comes with the remote. SRT2313. Aren't they the more reliable ones? shit better priced than that truetech..
>mfw keeping myself up all night wondering were i went wrong with my RGB setup this past few years and deciding to go back to tradition

>>10302237
my truetech didnt have a remote or need one
i never got rid of it until i got a couple brand name sets with vhs players built in

i still feel bad wasting it in the rain &
i got it for free

>>10302229
>from what i understand the ps1 is still region locked at the bios level
Yeah, you still need a modchip to run games from a different region. I was referring to the color/oscillator mod.
The PS1's output signal is dependent on both the game and the console itself. Even with the modchip, a PAL console playing an NTSC game will output 240p/480i at 60Hz, with NTSC color encoding via composite. The problem is the color subcarrier frequency, it depends on the crystal oscillator that's installed inside. A PAL console has a crystal (and the freq division setup) for PAL, that is 4.43MHz subcarrier. Standard NTSC, on the other hand, requires a frequency of 3.58MHz.
So in this case, you'll get NTSC4.43, for which support is less common across the board (I think earlier model PS1s' output was some different out-of-spec NTSC, too). That's why people had a black-and-white picture with their PS1s playing NTSC games, even if their PAL TVs supported 60Hz and proper NTSC3.58.
There are several ways to go about it and the possibilities differ between mobo revisions. You can lift and short some pins to get the console to output PAL60 instead of NTSC4.43 (just change the encoding mode without changing the frequency), you can replace the oscillator to the NTSC one (kinda hard to source afaik) or you can install an additional crystal and do some soldering magic to make your PAL console into how the Net Yaroze was set up (proper automatic PAL and NTSC output).
Of course none of this matters if you use RGB, it just works because it doesn't need to encode anything, it sends the colors as is. And people were getting RGB cables back then to play NTSC region games in color.

>>10302125
Wii U gamepad just works

>>10302318
i am a fucking retard
i didnt even attempt to try this before buying a proprietary remote
i literally have the wiiU 20 feet away & powered on/standby
i had the system at launch and forgot it even had a tv tuner

>>10302318
>>10302439
who the fuck even has a wiiu

>>10302494
Tendies

>>10302494
Me

Can the green tint be fixed or is it the color tubes going bad?

>>10302892
calibrate colors calibrate colors calibrate colors.
Can the tube display white?
If yes its not the issue

>>10303134
Generally yes whites look white. My monitor doesn’t let me adjust colors at all beyond color temp (5000, 6300 and custom)

>>10302892

>>10303151
>ominous hidden messaging

>>10302892
you're asking about the color of the screen when it's turned off?

>>10303191
No the monitor is on right now but it’s a black background

>>10303220
Anothe pic. All the grays are greenish

>>10303272
you are the G200 anon right?
Told you this when your first got it aswell, you need to use windas on it.
You can only calibrate colors that way

>>10303294
Yeah I was posting a little while ago. Since windas isn’t working for me I wanted to see if this problem was even fixable. Now that I know it is I’ll have to figure out how to get windas working

Found a SyncMaster 794v on a FB Marketplace post. Is it good? I wanna know if it's worth shipping it to my city.

>>10282258
Anime name?

>>10303493
dragon half

Someone from /g/ told me to come here to ask crt related questions, so here I am. Recently I was offered a couple old tvs, but I don't really know that much about crt stuff so I'd like to hear your opinions before picking them up. First one is a Panasonic ct-f2955sw, which looks exactly like picrel, the other is a Sony wega kv-21fs140. Are they any good? I'm inclined to get the Panasonic one because it's bigger and seems to work just fine. Also, I was thinking of using an hdmi to component video converter or something (so I can use the tv as pc monitor), which one would you recommend? or do I just get a chink one?

>>10304219
I don’t think connecting to PC like that will get you good results
I believe there’s a display port method that’s supposedly better
Also both those TVs are good but they’re only as good as if you test them, some might have wear and over use
What do you plan to use them for?

>>10304219
theyre both comically large/heavy
as in 350-400lbs heavy
i only have experience with the wega
other posters said they have geometry issues
get whatever one has the most/best inputs you are gonna use
or hoard both if you can
if possible spam 240p test suite before commiting to buy

>>10304503
>as in 350-400lbs heavy
I doubt that very much
200lbs sure, but 400 is relegated to 40" sets

>>10304503
They don't weight anything close to that. 150 tops on the Panasonic and less than 70 for the Sony.

>>10304532
for the 38" sony it took 3 grown men to get it upstairs
i dont have the link to the wega manual but it was like 367lbs

>>10304532
my 32 zenith is over 100lbs
i rarely move it
but its a fucking meme
i was cranky as shit when i moved house
and that mf was the last/heaviest thing

>>10304545
>>10304551
The model number of the Panasonic implies a 29 inch TV. I can't find specs for that specific TV but a 32 flat tube Trinitron weighs 185lbs while a 27 inch weighs 111lbs. That 29 inch will not weigh more than 150lbs.

>>10304561
doable solo
just be careful anon

anyone ever use a 2000s lg flatron crt tv? there's a little one for sale im thinking about grabbing, component and svideo inputs.

Is there a specific order in which it's best to do geometry adjustments, especially on completely fucked up sets? Like set the size, position, then pinamp/cushion, linearity or something?

>>10305103
Not really
I guess just get it to fit the screen first

figured id ask here.
anyone have gvt timings to get 2048x1536 @ 80Hz or some other refresh rate? whenever i use the cvt automatic timings for that res it doesnt even look like its 2048. it looks like some horrible 1k res.
using a startech dp2vhahd20 btw

>>10305695
nvm its gtf. it seems you cant customize gtf but go to manual in the nvidia settings

>>10304469
>What do you plan to use them for?
Retro vidya and watching old movies/series. If I can get one hooked up to my pc, then I should be able to open any emulator/pc game and play vidya without the need for crt shaders, right? I'm probably only getting the Panasonic one (owner is selling it for less than $20 usd), and yeah it looks heavy, like 30-40 Kgs (sorry, we use the metric system here).
>>10304503
>if possible spam 240p test suite before commiting to buy
What is that? we only got to test the big one through RCA, guy had a tv box connected and played some yt videos on it. It looked fine for a crt, but the text was a bit blurry. The specs for the ct-27sl15 say it supports 480i, so I'll assume this one does as well. Here's a photo from the back: https://litter.catbox.moe/la5x2q.png

>>10305713
And here's one for both tvs. The Panasonic one looks bigger in person: https://litter.catbox.moe/z1bqtr.png

>>10301742
Don't worry anon, the TV won't catch fire when you're not looking. The worst that can happen is if she tries to lift it herself for whatever reason.

>>10302534
>>10302582
me and the other tendies
(i actually have 2 wii us)

>>10305843
it had the earquake mount preinstalled too kek

https://youtu.be/bvKXnY4ygxg

>>10286537
>Reddit
You need to go back

>>10307128
Great little Aussie ad

How safe would it be to blow a crt with one of those electronics safe vacuums without opening it? Getting my CRT in either monday or tuesday, i kinda wanna be extra safe and clean the fucker before i even bring it into the house, along with testing it with an outlet outside.

>>10307401
Just use a can of compressed air

>>10307696
thought i mentioned it already in my post but i didn't, i do have one of those esd vacuums.

>>10307401
Use a can of compressed air like anon suggested and do it with the tv on top of a table, be very careful not to hit the neckboard by accident, you can break the vacuum tube and turn the TV into actual e-waste in a matter of seconds.

Ask me how I know.

Hello gentlemen, the other day I found a CRT in a container which had its cable cut. Can I join it with another cut cable of stuff like microwaves, radios, etc and not make the CRT explode?

>>10307825
Why would it do that?
It’s just copper
Though make sure you use the right number of pins

>>10307825
It would be better to open up the TV and replace the whole cable instead.

>>10307825
Microwaves... and radios?? What the hell are you talking about?
Those cables have no standard color codes btw iirc and they're kinda sensitive to interference. They're a bit of a bitch to fix especially with no documentation and even with that it's really not a job for a dumbass.

>>10307867
Also I assume we're talking about vga.

My CRT monitor keeps fading in and out. Do I need to learn to repair these things...?

>>10307868
I don't have it here, but did a search and it's this 21'' Sanyo crt

>>10307882
Oh so we're talking about power? I guess you could just use radios and microwaves then lol sorry. It's most likely just two wires and it doesn't really even matter which way you solder them. Open it up and solder the new cable straight to the pcb for least janky setup.

>>10307825
>>10307882
The correct repair would be to replace the entire power cord.

>>10307985
Also, the correct way would be to ensure the cord is wired with the correct polarity. Reversing the polarity would theoretically present a shock hazard if there was any ungrounded metal.

>>10308140
>Also, the correct way would be to ensure the cord is wired with the correct polarity
Uhhhh power is AC anon.
that means alternating current.
the polarity switches 60 times a second

I hate playing Wii games because I want to post what I'm playing on my CRT but can't because not retro

>>10308906
just post who cares if its "strictly retro".
you could argue wii is retro at this point actually

>>10308720
Or 50, depending where he’s from
The thing he needs to make sure is if it has the earth pin

>>10308906
>>10308946
You could always play a Gamecube game on your Wii. I want to get a Wii with a proper HDMI mod and HDMI->VGA transcoder so I can run Nintendont and use the unlocked CPU feature to play Resident Evil 4 and the Gamecube MK's with 480p output, digital audio, and slightly more stable frame rate.

>>10308906
fuck 'em i use my wii to emulate tons of shit.

>>10308720
>>10308958
Polarity in this case refers to hot and neutral. Hot should be connected to hot and neutral should be connected to neutral. Electronics without a ground pin such as your TV ground through the neutral line. If the hot line is plugged into neutral any metal on the TV could pose a shock hazard. That's why plugs are polarized.

>>10309568
>That's why plugs are polarized.
Well, not in Europe, at least. All Class II equipment has a simple, two-pronged, non-polarized plug. I guess the appliances being double insulated was deemed enough protection.
Our sockets aren't polarized, either. I think there exists a standard that dictates which hole should be live and which neutral, but no one gives a shit and I'm sure there's at least one socket in each home that's wired wrong, so you can't rely on polarity in this case.

>>10309665
I think you all also don't bond neutral to earth and you use double throw switches. Also, I think you have GFCI on every circuit.

>>10302220
That arcade thread with the disney pixie tv was me...

>>10309568
is this a thing with CRT's?
surely they are insulated

>>10309758
i hope you got it sorted with jackofall universal remote
i ordered the oem remote after all
and when i said "fags" i meant it in an endearing way
everyone on 4chinz is a fag

>>10309817
It's a thing with a lot of things. On your TV exposed metal would be your input jacks. Neutral is bonded to ground at the main panel which makes neutral at near ground potential. If you were to connect hot to neutral in your TV (or any thing else) and you touched the metal bits while touching something else that has a good path to ground you could get shocked. On a power cord ribbed, grooved, or striped is neutral; smooth is hot. On the plug wide is neutral, narrow is hot.

I need to clean the crap out of my anode cap and re-grease the area. Never touched a CRT before. Gonna discharge later. Wish me luck.

>>10310295
Be careful not to clean too much. There is a black graphite coating on the back of the tube called aquadag. It is water soluble and important to the proper working of the CRT. Do not clean it off.

>>10310295
In fact if you are cleaning the area use either compressed air or nothing more the a SOFT bristle brush. The aquadag is easily removed.

Last week I connected my intel NUC to an old CRT I got for free from someone I know. Diablo looks perfect, just like in the 90s. I downloaded all of the retro games I have on GOG and now my retro PC game battlestation is finally ready.

>>10284403
East Clocktown. Home.

How does a high class CRT monitors like Mitsubishi 2070SB feel compared to OLED LG c2?

>>10310749
I'm stilled amazed at how fucking intricate crts are. It's like fucking black magic.

>>10312224
CRTs are a symbol of 20th century ingenuity.

>>10310673
>>10310749
so the compressed air thing isnt a meme? I seriously don't get it because compressed air is harmful on its own due to having wet particulants spraying out with it. I want to use my datavac but no one really gave me a straight answer on how i can do it safely.
so what im gathering here: If i use it, only aim it underneath the tube, don't let the air touch the tube at all just focus on the circuitboard like i wanted. right?

found this at a goodwill for a buck. 1986. still feels pretty good.

>>10312492
As long as your datavac is ESD safe it should be fine. Don't touch the aquadag with it and be careful around the tube in general, especially the neck where it is easily broken. I prefer the canned air as it is noncontact. Just keep a respectable distance and there won't be any meaningful moisture accumulation. Also, don't worry about a thin layer of dust on the back of the tube. It's harmless and you could do more harm than good by trying to make it perfectly clean. Additionally, I wouldn't remove the anode cap unless there is arcing that can't be solved by cleaning the area around it that lacks the aquadag.

>>10312607
thanks bud.
i was figuring all i needed to do was aim the vac properly with one of my extremely small, narrow attachments and focus only on the caps on the board, i just dont want that causing electrical arcing and smells. Last thing we need is fuckin dust smells. I'll keep in mind to avoid the tube.

>also i call it datavac because i forget the actual brand kek this one's no longer produced, theres new variants.

anyone else noticed a huge surge in PC CRT prices recently? i hadnt checked prices in a few years, but i had tons of peoples interested in my CRT listings and it turns out the prices have become like tenfold what htey used to be here in Spain

Most computer CRTs were listed for 5€ or up to 15€ as a "symbolic price", now the cheapest you could find would be 40€ on the MOST budget models, and ive seen regular CRTs at 100€. Its fucking nuts

>>10312713
i paid like $50 usd for the one im getting in today, 13 inch, thats literally the best price on ebay right now for a good condition crt, and shipping was $25. shipping from every other seller is something fucking insane like $100+.
they're definitely at their peak now for consumer models.

Is it possible to change the video connector connector in one of those budget CRTs that come with a preinstalled video cable you cant change?

i got one that has a really fucked up video connector missing pins, and with a few bent out of shape that i straightened, and the video signal is basically unusable
>>10312716
>and shipping was $25
Oh you guys ship them? here in spain everyone discards shipping as an option, we dont trust them to have any care and expect the CRT to be destroyed by the time it arrives

Now im assmad that the retarded commies at the PC charity im in threw away all the CRTs, we could have funded so much material for the organization selling them.. but they'd probably be against that too oh well

>>10312723
kek i mean its the same here but we can find reputable sellers that ship just fine, like the person i found.

>>10312713
probably some youtuber uploaded a vid or something.
dont worry theyll go back down again aswell.
seen it once or twice of the past years.

What's even the likelyhood that CRT's have bugs in them? What're your guys' experience with that?

>have you ever even bothered to check yours?

also while im at it, explain this shit "thin layer of graphite coating/dust" guys:
hosing down CRT's doesnt break them, why would dusting and moving air do more damage? honest question.
https://youtu.be/oQSq5J6_xWc?si=cvJuhGyySi3qTiIH

>>10283532
if it's an OEM remote go for it and just wait the month or whatever for shipping. if its not just buy a universal one or something, people werent autistic about keeping dumb shit for CRTs like they were for consoles until recently when it became a nerd thing.

>>10313118
The hose was aimed at the aquadag for only a brief moment. Personally I wouldn't do it. Even wiping with a dry cloth will remove a small amount. The tube itself is a capacitor with the aquadag being part of that capacitor. The aquadag also maintains a uniform electric field around the screen. If the aquadag is sufficiently compromised the electrons will not be properly accelerated toward the screen, the beam will not remain collimated, and the electrons will also not have a return path causing a charge to build up near the screen deflecting the beam. With every small layer you remove you lose a little bit of brightness and focus. If you are gentle enough it probably won't be noticeable if you do it just once. But why do it just once when you could do it not at all? Canned air from a reasonable distance won't hurt anything. Unless the back of the tube is caked in mud I wouldn't do anything more.

>>10313409
Honestly after enough searching online, it just seems like a bad idea to even try to dust these things for the risk of dislodging a cable or fucking up the aquadag, more people run into problems with cables.
Though how common are dust related failures? The one guy who helped me find a CRT had a crt flat out die on him one day, never even opened a CRT in his life, which is my concern.

>>10313534
Blow the loose dust out with canned air and call it good. Your concern is heat buildup from dust bunnies, don't worry about the fine layer of dust that remains. Unless you have a professional monitor that is heavily shielded there should be no reason to touch anything inside.

>>10311248
Nice, is that an older nuc with vga? Have you checked out the scanline look at 480p? It seems like my vga monitors are sharper at 480p even with the lesser resolution.

>>10314514
>It seems like my vga monitors are sharper at 480p even with the lesser resolution.
I think a lot of CRT's support resolutions higher than what their TVL should logically allow. As a result, the higher resolutions look a little fuzzy. On the other hand, playing them at resolutions lower than their TVL would allow means they're as sharp as they can be.
Now someone restate/correct what I've said to actually use proper terminology.

the thing youre not supposed to do worked both time
>shipped two crt to myself via ebay
>somewhat under market value
>not tested "powers on"
>sony pvm
it works


is it ok to leave it tate mode permanently?
i obv dont move it while its powered on
i cant find much info regarding tate mode other than faggy redditors threads

pretty happy with it
although if i wanted to split hairs
i think the blur looks "better" on my consumer sets
but i cant rotate those fat bastards

>>10314740
the line A display text was turned off in the settings after this photo guys
only thing i did was factory reset the display & hook my fenrir saturn up over s-video

>>10314740
As long as everything inside is supported, Tate mode should be fine

>>10314625
Replace TVL with dot pitch (or slot pitch for aperture grill).

>>10314740
>it works in tate
Excellent.
>>10314774
Thank you. It's been a long year and I'm pretty fried.

>>10314756
>14N5U
for $100 fuck it i guess
ive been rotating it back when im done
but i would like to setup some kind of permanent tate /bst/

>>10314851
hooking my arcade pcb collection to it soon

i dont have any non-shitty pictures of it running though

>>10314883

>>10275294
I have a 115khz SyncMaster that looks like rats ass, the tube being pretty much worn out. I'm thinking of giving it away, but seeing how fucking rare CRTs are getting, I really don't know.
Is there any reason to keep that monitor?
What do you think, Anon?

I've recently set up my retro station using a 20" TV I pulled out of the dumpster and an HP elitedesk mini PC.
The Intel iGPU can go as low as 480p 30hz, but not below that. It's working great with switch res.
Native 240p is not possible unfortunately

I heard that ATI cards support pretty low pixel clocks.
Does this also count for MXM cards that don't have any video connectors on their own?

>>10276989
Nah, there's still a few nieche CRT makers around.
And who knows. If there's enought demand, propably some chink somewhere will dust off his CRT making equipment or whatever

>>10314985
If it's worn beyond its useful life there is really no harm in trying a rejuvenator. Failing that it would be useful for parts.