/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10278101
Yes and you should have played it first

>>10278106
elaborate?

>>10278101
yes but it doesn't matter that you played black mesa first

>>10278101
maybe, not sure if you should have played it first

>>10278101
No. Black Mesa is superior in every way. Don't waste your time

>>10278116
Black Mesa missed the point of Xen and also made it way too long. In the OG game Xen is a quick scamper through a place that should not exist, it's like one of those dreams where you are falling; comparatively, BM made Xen very Earthly and it takes up 1/3 of the runtime

Gameplay is completely different. Black Mesa is basically "let's have Half Life 2 in Half Life 1" rather than sticking to the gameplay mechanics of 1

>>10278774
But you've missed one thing: Black Mesa is not Half-Life.

>>10278101
Yes.
>>10278790
This. HL1 is a lot more fast paced than HL2/Black Mesa.

>>10278786
I STILL HAVE THAT MUCH LEFT IN THE GAME?
WHY THE FUCK IS BLACK MESA SO LONG

>>10278101
yes because at least HL1 doesn't crash or glitch out every 2 mins.

>>10278786
While I agree with this sentiment, I still think that xen being so short is a cope for shit level design.

>>10279273
the devs fell for the xen bad meme so originally black mesa released without it
then they spent another year or so making their own version thats practically its own game

>>10279303
>another year
Did you mean to say "decade"?

>>10279297
works on my machine
:^)

>>10278101
The original is superior to Black Mesa, except the gun play. But you can get improved gun play for the original with the original game + Half-Life MMOD

>>10278101
when the fuck is that black ops campaign getting released.

>>10279560
the what

>>10278101
Yes, then play Opposing Force after. But not Blue Shift, BS is fucking boring

>>10279615
Blue Shift is worth one playthrough. It's not that bad.

>>10279302
Original Xen is fine. Most people complain about it because a truly 3D space is too much for them to wrap their heads around. Same thing with the Water Temple from OoT.

>>10279303
lel the free version of black mesa released when I was still in fucking high school. I think it only got finished when I was several years out of college.

>>10278101
once you go black, you never go back

>>10278101
I think both are worth playing. One thing that BM misses is the humor of the original. It isn't funny/goofy anymore.

>>10279564
assuming some sort of mod where you take the role of black ops in the original story like how blue shift and opposing force did security and marines.

>>10279615
blue shift is fine it takes like 20 minutes.

>>10279618
>>10279769
Yeah I guess it's fine for ONE playthrough, but after that one I can't imagine most people would ever want to play it again.

>>10278101
HL1 combat is unique because it feels like every fight is just about dumping massive firepower to wipe out whatever is in front of you. Drop into a room, 4 grunts, lob a few smg nades, switch to the shotgun and let off a few double blasts. It's fast, frantic, noisy and over in a few seconds. Other games aren't as gnarly with the damage you do.

>>10278101
yes, original is better and the game has aged great. i'll be honest i haven't played the black mesa remake, but there's no way anyone could do it better than the original. player movement is way better in 1.6 than source engine as well.

>>10279862
true, the combat is fun and is really about choosing the right gun for the situation since you can carry all of them at a time. also a big thing that's important is using cover and movement well and not just standing out.

>>10278116
You should have played it first.

Is the shitposter gone?

>>10280646
OP here, I'm still stuck on Xen, been here for a few hours and apparently I still have like 3 chapters left.
Don't remember a FPS as long as this one

>>10278101
the original is comically bad

>>10279615
king order is Blue Shift, Half-Life 1, then Opposing Force

>>10278101
Is worth if you are interested in playing the best game ever.

>>10278101
Just to see the differences if anything. If you don't mind lower fidelity graphics it still plays fine.

>>10278101
As someone who started playing the half-lifes last year, I prefer how much more boomer shooter-esque hl1 is compared to hl2/bm

>>10280778
>Blue Shift before base game
Yeah, nah. True order is HL1 > BS > Uplink > OF.

>>10282827
You forgot Decay.

>>10278101
i'm suprised that you played BM first since valve practically gives half life away while you had to pay for BM.

>>10279316
>been waiting since 2012 for it to come out
>they completely change what the game was going to be

>>10278790
All I needed to hear. I can't believe people kept track of this for over a decade. Who gives a fuck. Same people complaining when a 2d 4th gen game gets remade, probably.

>>10282827
BS is underwhelming after the first game, and it fits snugly first canonically. since Barney makes it out of the facility first and sees Gordon arrive to work, and later dragged to the trash compactor. if you dont play it before the first game then you're missing out on literal ludo kino

>>10278101
Yes it's the goat

>>10282995

>>10279302
>>10278786
>>10279623
honestly OG xen is pretty forgettable.

all i remember about it is the headcrab queen fight, the space baby fight at the end and maybe some alien factory in between that while everything else was a blur. i haven't played BM's xen but if i end up remembering more of it than the original then it's an improvement in my book.

>>10280778
>>10284585
based order & explanation but i'd probably tweak it as...

BS > HL1 > uplink > decay > OF

>>10282995
decay would be before opposing force since you can find cross or green's corpse in one of the places you can teleport to with the displacer and decay doesn't end with the whoever survived escaping the facility.

>>10278116
really? a "fan" remake instead of THE classic itself? and you need elaboration?

>>10282995

>>10278101
Fuck no. It's awful.

>>10278106
I played HL:Source first, is my experience forever tainted?

>>10286991
yes

>>10278101
It sucks

>>10286991
depends when you played it.
I did the same thing back in 2008 when it wasn't even remotely as busted as it is currently.

>>10278106
this

>>10278106
/thread

>>10278101
I played this one and it was so bad it convinced never to play of the other games in the series.

>>10286991
It's just the same game but way buggier and it has some MINOR adjustements to the gameplay and graphics. It also replaces the very good death animations with ragdolls.

You still played Half-Life, but like a Star Wars Special Edition version.

>>10278101
I'm a zoomie and I prefer this to Black Mesa. I think CC completely missed the point of Xen and made it even worse by ironically making it way too long and overdesigned. The whole game is weird and anachronistic because of the stupidly long dev time, like Duke Nukem Forever. Some of the music and sound design isn't as memorable/good as it was in the original game. And then there's the fucking shitty AI and weird weapon balancing in BM. I still think it is an amazing achievement, but it feels amateuristic and misses the point at times.

>>10290967
A lot of people seem to forget that half-life was really the first game where sound was an important factor in game design. The enemies would hear your squeaky footsteps to locate you. That’s why the original HL sound effects are so deeply etched into my brain. Just not the same without the crunchy compression and constant reverb.