/vr/ - Retro Games

just 2 more weeks and Mister emulation will be as good as computer emulation from 2010

>>10249210
>ock-uh-rina
retard

>>10249236
That's the right way to say it. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/ocarina

>>10249210
Never expected to see Ocarina running so early.

>>10249210
>What gives?
Accuracy.

>>10249236
There is zero etymological reasoning for it to be pronounced /oʊkəˈɹi:nə/

>>10249227
fpbp

When's the core going to get dithering? There's so much banding right now

MiSTer chads just keep winning.

>>10249210
Is it worth getting a mister if all you wanna play is arcade games on a crt?

>paying $600 on an emulation box
I could build a gaming PC for about $800 & it would be more powerful than a MiSTer.

PC Master Race > MiSTer Chuds

>>10249210
What compels him to do this

>>10251028
It's literally a placebo machine. Every console it can play at full speed has PC emulation that's so good it's indistinguishable from the real console. Try emulating N64 games on Ares and you'll see there's no reason to have an FPGA device

>>10251048
i think all that gaming with run ahead frames has fucked up your perception

>>10249210
Why not just buy an N64 console and a flashcart?

>>10251048
Agreed. Emulation on a gaming PC works smoothly. The parts are way more advanced than any parts the MiSTer could muster.

>>10251218
Shilling your overpriced meme machine won't fool the PC Master Race.

whats with the weird anti mister fudd every thread
its not 600 dollars and it works a hell of a lot smoother than regular emulators especially if you have a crt

>>10251309
I don't have a mister but if you want to play N64 and Saturn on a CRT then a mister is cheaper than buying both consoles + flashcarts

>>10251046
I hate this faggot faggot and his gay nasally voice so much.
What a fucking loser with all that shilling, honestly.

A DE-10 nano only costs like $200, that's less than a single flashcart. You could have a mister for the cost of a single modded (mainstream) console with flashcart. A neogeo with flashcart is going to be well past $1K and a Mister is now absolutely identical to a neogeo hardware.

>>10251021
considering the cost of arcade PCB
yes?

>>10251317
most people with money to "waste" on a mister prob have a pc anon
also you need a pc to set it up so...

>>10251021
This is the question I have. I could give a fuck about emulating game consoles, as I have them all modded/flashcarts. MAME sucks and my pc monitor isn't a CRT. Old computers would be cool too.

>>10251046
>caring about how redditors shit up their own site
The absolute state of /vr/

>>10251418
A modded wii is like $30 if you shop around, and probably 99% as accurate as this thing, plus plays the core n64 games, plus Gamecube and Wii games. If you're really going to commit to the hobby, I don't see why you'd choose this thing over real hardware.

>>10251454
Good thing I don't care about what frogposters think

>>10251462
Wiis are amazing but the VC N64 emulator can't do 240p. There's homebrew emulators but compatibility isn't as good. Furthermore, Saturn emulation on Wii is useless at the moment (though, since it can do full speed 32X emulation, it's not an impossibility).

>>10251046
>first the retron
>then the raspberry pi
>now mister
When's the next emulation shitbox people overpay for forcing them to cope by lying about how amazing it is on every retro gaming discussion forum?

>>10249320
who the fuck is able to read the stupid latin wikipedia things like that, doing it phonetically like the other anon makes more sense

>>10251028
All the power in the world cannot fix the shitty audio/video output hardware. PCs might be able to emulate with perfect accuracy internally, but they are incapable of bringing that accuracy into the real world.

>>10251563
There is zero phonetic reasoning for it to be pronounced /oʊkəˈɹi:nə/
Compare Honolulu

>>10251021
That is what I bought one for. It just works. The only problem is that it supports less games than mame but more are being added all the time.

>>10251561
you really think people are lying?
There's some delusional posters but this is really over the top

>>10251347
The poors get so mad about being poor. That's why they always make it about money.

>>10249236
Wait
How the fuck do you pronounce it?

>>10249236
Classic.

>>10251347
What's with the anti emulator fudd every thread?

>>10251021
>Is it worth getting a mister if all you wanna play is arcade games on a crt?
Not at all. Just run Mame on a computer and hook up a CRT screen. You can do that on an old computer.

Mister is for people who:

A). Have money to burn on those fully loaded pre-built Mister boxes that cost hundreds of dollars. ($500 to $600 or more)

Or

B.) enjoy tinkering with electronics and will take the cheaper route by building a Mister box themselves (but will still cost $200 to $300 dollars To do it)

>>10251437
Yeah, but that doesn't mean they own a gaming PC. For example I could easily buy a $100 refurbished PC & set up a MiSTer with it. Point being it's not expensive to own a PC, but it is expensive to buy parts to build a Gaming PC to run games like RE2 Remake or GTAV.

>>10251745
Actually the poors are more likely to buy a MiSTer than to own a Gaming PC & multiple consoles(including console minis). Unfortunately for you, I do own a Gaming PC & multiple consoles.

>>10251561
FPGA tech is pretty cool. I'm sorry if you don't see how it benefits retro vidya, and how it'll be important specially on the next few decades and beyond.

>>10252290
Unfortunately for you, I also own a gaming PC, multiple consoles AND a MiSTer. The idea that a 600 gorillion shekel system that requires technical knowledge to run being the only system someone owns is retarded. Just stop being poor.

>>10252950
There's zero reason to own a MiSTer if you own a Gaming PC & multiple consoles. Stop shilling, nobody is stupid enough to buy a useless emulation box.

>>10252335
Wake me in a few decades then

god I love my mister. these sour grapes fags just dont know

>>10249227
Fucking lol

>>10251048
I’m interested in a small dedicated low power all-in-one device. If it can do Saturn better than shit-tier yabause or mednaffe I’d be interested.

>>10251895
>enjoy tinkering with electronics
Wait, there are people on this board who don't enjoy that and just want to plug in Retroarch like it's Netflix or something?

>>10249210
>what gives
It's not accurate and the FPGA part of the FPGA does nothing. It's little different from playing on a Raspberry Pi at that point, since the point of the DE-10 is that it's an FPGA.

There is a legit N64 core that actually programs the FPGA to emulate an N64, that is the emulator that will never playably run N64 games. The reason it is being made is because of the chance that in the future, someone else will make a cheap FPGA better than the DE-10.

>>10253170
Translation:
>Why won't these Anti-MiSTer Chads buy our $600 emubox? :(

Answer: We got better options & we're not falling for your bullshit.

>>10249304
Italian speaker here. This is the 'correct' pronunciation:
O (as in Snow)
Ka (as in Carrot)
Ri (as in Recent)
Na (as in Nashville)

>>10253187
I think Saturn will be the killer app for MiSTer. Lots of obscure JP only games that will be nice to have a second look at.

>>10253352
That doesn't hold true even in Italian. By Italian speaker do you mean Moroccan refugee? Jesus

I can't understand why anyone would buy a MiSTer for $920 when you could just use my stepdad's old office pc FOR FREE.

>>10253352
>Italian speaker here
No one cares about your shit language or your shitty country. English has taken your word and made it their own which happens among all languages and comes with pronunciation changes.
>Na (as in Nashville)
You either don't know how to pronounce Nashville or you're shitposting

lol fucking fags saying to emulate on pc. pc is hands down the worse fucking way to emulate. if I was unable to use my mister I'd just use my anbernic 353p. it may not be as accurate as the shit my pc can run, but its a thousand times more enjoyable than a fucking pc.

>>10249236
Do you say the work occupation "oak-upation?" same deal, ock-arina, ock-upation

>>10253490
I don't have a step-dad tho, and my real dead has no old office pc

>>10253786
>>10253490
Oh wait you said "MY" step-dad. Where is he at? I'll pay him a visit

>>10253782
PC is the superior way to emulate. We got more console options to emulate too, unlike the MiSTer.

>>10253794
its shit

>>10253797
Nope. You can shill your FPGA trash all you want, but the MiSTer will never outperform a Gaming PC.

>>10251347
its annoying because they claim its just like the real thing and its not

>>10251418
its not identical. I want to make homebrew that changes the background colours to create a copper style gradient so just a "trust me bro" is not good enough for me, any tiny difference in timing will make the colour effect happen in the wrong place.

>>10253328
what the fuck do i care if you buy it or not? its just annoying to see the dumb anti-propaganda

>>10253490
Be sure to post this every thread and raise the number each time

>>10253806
pls stop shilling gaming pc, nobody want them any more after crypto and chip shortage fiasco plus zero good games have come out on pc in last 10 years and it emulation is laggy choppy cacka

>>10254005
when I am at my pc later I am going to edit the shekel comic strip and have the kid say "dad can I have $200 for a mister" and the jew say " $300 for a mister? why should I give you $600 for a mister? $1200 is too much to play old games" because making memes is all piece shits pc is good for today

>>10252335
>I'm sorry if you don't see how it benefits retro vidya
it will benefit retro gaming when i can buy an fpga nes. n64, and or snes console for sub 50 dollars. until then it's for people with money to burn on tech that will become much cheaper in the future

>>10254196
it already does that

>>10251462
A modded wii is literally the most ghetto emu option available, absolute trash. Anyone comparing a wii to a mister has absolutely no idea whatsoever.

>>10254196
>an fpga nes. n64, and or snes console
Why do you need one of each instead of all in one?

>>10249210
my guess would be someone actually qualified decided to start working on a core for it? you don't get progress unless someone actively works on it

>>10254414
he wants to continue using carts so he continue pretending he didnt waste thousands of dollars on useless plastic

is the de-10 nano ever going to drop in price?
kind of crazy people used to get these for a lot cheaper and since mister is only getting better, they're getting insane value out of their investment

>>10254548
There are cheaper options like the Sidi, which is basically a budget MIST. But a DE-10 nano was only $225 last time I looked cheaper for academic. Just get some dickhead with a student card to order one for you.

>>10253806
It outperforms it on efficiency you can have a core with extraordinary low level accuracy that wouldn't even run well on the best modern cpu, for 5 watts because of the nature of how fpga's work, it's also easier for developers to produce extremely accurate cores on an fpga so you get many more of them
doing the same in softwre requires a lot of jumping through hoops and efficiency compromises you have to try to extrapolate how a clock will play out rather than letting it do so naturally

I don’t care I run batocera on an AMD APU mini PC for a third of the price and it goes up to Wii U easily

>>10251563
>who the fuck is able to read the stupid latin wikipedia things like that
Hmm I don't know, perhaps someone who knows the first thing about language and pronunciation and feels entitled to correct somebody on it.

>Splatterhouse (arcade) core announced by Jotego
Oh yeah, it's comfy spooky time.

>>10254512
says the fag shilling mister threads

>>10255189
I can play that on my PC, PS4, PS3, Xbox 360 & Nintendo Switch right now. Lol

>>10255461
with input lag

>>10254548
The DE-10 is sold at a loss because of a subsidy provided by Intel. It will never drop in price, it's already cheap.

>>10249227
This. A used steam deck is going to be a better return on value for probably the decade. There are usb adapters and bluetooth controllers for nearly every console controller imaginable. Compatibility is near or at 100%, and even higher than native hardware when you factor in romhacks.

>>10255505
cool. enjoy playing with input lag and coping with runahead

j rejected that bullshit.

>>10255513
I have all medals in expert in Star Fox 64, beat Sin and Punishment on the hardest difficulty, all on deck.

I also have original hardware and a CRT if it actually was an issue.

eat shit

>>10255531
>I have all medals in expert in Star Fox 64, beat Sin and Punishment on the hardest difficulty, all on deck.
Congratulations on playing a console game on a 7 inch screen. Just as the devs inteded!

>>10255531
the only shit in this thread comes from you jealous mister-less faggots interrupting us fpgachads. go drink some retro-brite and die, post haste.

>>10255505
You paid more money for an inferior experience to the mister. I don't own either product, but you need to be quiet. Misters offer accuracy and low input lag. Steam deck's screen doesn't even support VRR, anyone looking for what the mister offers would rather pick a used office mini pc over your idea.

This is why these threads need to be purged of retards hating on it. You don't know what the device is even for and you're STILL talking. That's all you're telling everyone.

>>10255531
Based. Play real hardware for accuracy, and software emulation for enhancements like increased rendering resolution. There is no purpose for MiSTer to exist.

I have a mister, I have consoles, I have emulators. Mister on a CRT is undeniably better. Yes, you can perceive the lag differences, no emulation isn't perfect by any stretch, I run into games all the time that aren't working perfectly. Yes, most of the time I'm playing on the original console BUT mister is undeniably a better experience. I've been trying to 1cc final fight (I know a meme...) for years now and I always get farther on mister than I do with any of the emulated versions. They feel different.

>>10255540
>>10255549
>>10255551
A little triggered are we?

I'm not even hating on FPGA. One day, original hardware is going to either be dead or price prohibitive. You can get clean output out too. Lots of systems are handled really well, but the n64 isn't one of them, yet.

Unless you're a niche tech enthusiast, I think most people are better off with emulation, particularly those looking for support for 6th+ gen games.

I do agree you could just get a get a good pc, but the price point and convenience is hard to beat.

Pr4m0d has poor social skills.

>>10255634
>A little triggered are we?
I am literally shaking...

>>10255564
But what emulator has a mascot that appeals to the trans community?

>>10255482
Not noticeable, very non-existent, especially with the PC version.

>>10255634
No, and I don't care what you think. Stop shitting in these threads.

>>10255634
You should already have a good pc.

>>10255564
the point is that the "real" (ship of theseus) hardware will stop working one day and FPGA solutions preserve the experience as closely as possible in an open and accessible way

>>10255590
just play Cody or Haggard instead of Guy
literally the worst character in the game in every effective metric

>>10256035
Well I guess in 90 years when my Sega Saturn doesn't work anymore, I'll hop on the MiSTer hype train.

>>10255081
>third of the price

you paid $77 for your pc??

lol you are paying 100 times more per hour gaming on electricity

>>10255206
says the fag fagging faggotry

>>10255803
Exactly. I downloaded the PC version & it runs fine. Heck even MAME handles it perfectly. I had no idea that it exists on the PS4.

>>10249210
FGPA Everdrive>Steam Deck>>Aya Neo pro>>>Asus ROG Ally>KT-R1>Recalbox>>Retroid Pocket 3/3+>>Anbernic RG552>Ayn Loki>>Odroid>RP2S>Raspberry Pi>>Homebrewed and CFW-injected PS Vita>>Powkiddy A13>>Miyoo Mini +>Caanoo>Powkiddy X28>Lakka>Aya Neo regular>>Ayn Odin>>Powkiddy A12>Anbernic RG505>Powkiddy X18S>>Anbernic K101>Retroid Pocket 2/2+>>Anbernic 353X>Hacked and CFW injected 3DS>Miyoo Mini>Powkiddy RGB10MAX3>Lakka>Anbernic 351p>>>>Revo k101>Game Park 32>Powkiddy q80>Anbernic 353v>>Anbernic RG35XX>Powkiddy RK2023>CFW-injected PSP>Retroid pocket 1>Data Frog SF2000>Minisforum>Powkiddy RGB 30 Max>>Dingoo 330>>>Dingoo 320>Analouge Pocket>Dingoo 380>Powkiddy q80>Gamebox SP>Anbernic RG 405m>Powkiddy v90>Powkiddy q20>Bactocera>>Evercade>Coolboy rs-97+>BittBoy>Powkiddy RGB 20S>RG300X>Pirate multicart>>MiSTER>>Retroid Flip>Poly Mega>Powkiddy a66>>Coolboy rs-97

>>10257105
Too long; didn't read.

>>10256770
Yeah, I bought it not too long ago on the PS4 and it plays perfectly. So I got at least 7 versions of Splatterhouse. Two of them are unlockable via PS3/Xbox 360. Two of them are digital via PS4/MAME and 5 of them are physical(which includes the unlockables) via PC, Xbox 360, PS3 & the Switch. No need for me to own the inferior PC Engine/Turbo Grafx 16 versions.

>>10254108
Nta, but there's no way to shill PC's when there's many different brands behind it & you could build one yourself. In fact it's more fun to build one & pick out the coolest looking case. I was fucking done with consoles when I built mine.

>>10257419
>I was fucking done with consoles
And yet you still post on a board where 90% of the discussion is console games.

>>10257493
Yes & I still own many consoles. But I skipped out on the newer consoles since the designs of the new consoles will never be cooler than the design of the Dreamcast or Sega Genesis. Which is precisely why I built my own PC.

>>10255640
Elaborate

>>10256035
This is why I support and tip FPGA devs. My favourite systems are Commodore computers which all have custom silicon which is also known to be flakey. I really love the c16 which is notoriously flakey both the CPU and TED chips, and people are already turning to alternate FPGA solutions to keep them alive. Same with the c64.

>>10255505
Only an ultimate poorfaggot would even consider the residual value of a toy like steamdeck.

>>10257603
Another case of silly drama involving mister-devel guys and twitter arcade game fans throwing shit at each other and screaming some random crap about politics. Pr4m0d chose to publicly join the second camp in this holy war.

>>10257675
Got any links? That all sounds very amusing.

>>10257680
It's mostly on X, but pr4m0d's account is currently protected, so you can't read his tweets. He did actually remove his cores from the official repository and move them to atrac17's repository of arcade machine cores. So there's currently three big repositories you have to watch: the official one, Jotego's JTBIN and atrac17's Coin-Op Collection.

>>10257684
I found it all thanks, bunch of childish shit as expected. Luckily update_all grabs everything.

Big Saturn update today, making good progress

>>10249210
Unless it's decapped, it's just re-implementing software emulators in hardware, so I wouldn't expect mister to be unable to do anything that PC emulators can already do.

>>10258202
Funny because while you wait to play the Sega Saturn on a MiSTer, I can play mine on actual hardware on my CRT or HDTV, modded and all.

>>10258245
Very cool!

>>10258245
Happy for you bro.

>>10258249
>>10258259
Thanks

>>10249227
kek

>>10255505
How do I connect my steam deck to my crt as easily as the mister?

Can anyone with a jotego key share? I want to play simpsons :(

>>10258242
I don’t think you know how fogs works you can’t just reimplement whatever a software emulator does you goof troop. Maybe do research

>>10258245
but can you have sex with a girls?

>>10257183
>has words in the post
>UUUUGH TOO LONG: DIDN'T READ

>>10259015
>but can you have sex with a girls?
u think you're so fugging cool, but just you wait Mister will drop a girl sex core and then whom'll be laughing!
itwillbeme

>>10259039
PC98 core is already out I think

>>10259323
It is an unusable beta release and the author stopped working on it and moved on to fm towns. Mister sucks for Japanese PCs.

>>10259039
lol $600 when you can just get original hardware so much cheaper

>>10249210
Why would I spend $300 for this when I could spend over $1000 for the original consoles, flash cartridges, and hdmi mods?

>>10249210
>N64 is promised to be absolutely impossible on Mister for years
Sauce?

>>10259015
Already did & I'm currently in a relationship. But that has nothing to do with my Sega Saturn.

>>10259712https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/basics/faq/#when-is-an-n64-core-coming

>>10259712
>promised to be absolutely impossible
>Probably never
Why do zoom zooms have such a hard to understanding what words mean?

>>10259762
I can't believe the CEO of Mister said it was impossible and then built a core the next day. This is an outrage!

>>10259796
I'm more outraged he raised the price to $600

>>10259806
The old bundle that was $200 and included an official controller and carry case was good value but he just had to get greedy.

anyone know if the saturn core has working SNAC yet?

>>10258242
Fairly stupid take, but if it keeps you away from the community you can have it.

HELLO ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF MY NAME IS MISTER MISTER AND MY PROFITS ARE DOWN, I WILL BE INCREASING THE PRICE OF THE MISTER APPLIANCE TO $1000 STARTING IMMEDIATELY DUE TO INFLATION.

>>10259978
I'd still pay it. especially now that the genesis core has become even more 100% identical to actual hardware than it already was.

For economics, let's compare just one console: NeoGeo AES. NeoGeo core on Mister recently added some timing tweaks which improved accuracy on MIST, making this decapped core absolutely perfect. To play Neogeo on Mister will cost you $300 for a DE-10 nano, OTG hub, RAM and an 8bitdo Neogeo pad.

For comparison, just the flashcart for a Neogeo costs 560 euro. Then you need an AES which are fetching $1000 for a decent example.

So just from this single purchase you are miles ahead, the rest of Mister is free after that.

>>10249210
How is he able to get this to work? What compromises is he making, specifically?

>>10260308
https://imgur.com/a/GigOMNE

So the CPU won't be accurate to real hardware but speed will be made up for by using MiSter's DDR3. He's already using a lot of the FPGA's logic and that is before stuff like the VI filters (dithering, antialiasing, horizontal blend etc etc) have been added, he could run out of room then have to start cutting things back but he isnt quite at that stage yet. So the way I read it is dont expect 100% compatability and don't be surprised if some games can't hit their original framerates.

>>10260428
Thanks. Even if it's not completely accurate it's neat to have n64 as an option on Mister at all.

>>10260292
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm sold. I was holding out for 100% accuracy, but now that misters accuracy level is over 9k% I don't see any point in not just joining the cult and drinking the koolaid. Besides, upon attaining 9001% accuracy mister magically destroyed every neo geo in the world except AESs sold on ebay for $1k. So I need something now that all my systems are gone. Don't bother check your systems. Surely they are gone. The child profit speaks only the truth. Besides, even if I managed to put together a system that's not emulation there's no guarantee how long I'd be able to use it. It seems hardly a day goes by without misters greater than 100% accuracy becoming even more accurate. What will happen when it archives a gazillion % accuracy? Maybe it won't be content to just erasing original hardware from existence and will do the same to me. It's just not worth the risk.

>>10260730
why are you like this

>>10260730
>The child profit speaks only the truth.
I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn’t take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It’s clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother’s mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

>>10259978
Gee MiSTer, I'd much rather spend $1000 on anything other than MiSTer.

>>10260428
It's probably fair he's building this core for future affordable FPGA platforms, and Mister is good enough for MVP/prototype of what will be a long road.

>>10260743
Because it's impossible to have a serious conversation with a brainwashed cult member.

>>10249210
What's a MiSTer anyways and how does it differ from PC emulation to justify buying it? I'm not trolling, just legitimately out of touch on this...

>>10263126
MiSTer is a bunch of software that runs on an FPGA. In theory it results in a more accurate experience of a given machine than PC emulation due to it being a recreation of the hardware as opposed to a translation with numerous layers of software in between. An FPGA can avoid all the issues and workarounds of an emulator, they consume less power and come in a smaller package. They also make poor people super fucking mad.

>>10263356
>poor
its a particularly dumb strain of fomo. they have to desperately believe their retroarch freeware bullshit is is as good as it gets.

>>10263426
>>10263356
I don't get why it makes people seethe. I don't necessarily think it's better (I don't even have one) but it's certainly convenient and it's as future-proof as long as FPGA boards are still being produced. Side event setups at tournaments like EVO run on MiSTer boxes over even Superguns. You have a bunch of cores in one device so you don't have to change hardware around and it'll work the same way years and years from now while desktop operating systems get more and more complex and may introduce breaking changes that will rely on someone in the future addressing them. Whereas, again, the work on these cores is already being done now.

It looks good on my CRT simple as

>>10252290
to be fair, an excellent emulation machine can be much cheaper than a general gaming pc, unless you're trying to emulate ps360. for anything older, a cheap quad core or even dual core with a high clock speed is just as good as an 8-core. you only need 4gb ram for 6th gen, older arcade emulation. you may not need a graphics card at all, or you could get some $20 ancient ati card if you have no igpu or you want vga output without an adapter. I'm sure you could get a similar or less price than a mister for great pc emulation. Even a modest new CPU might be overkill. My 2012 machine can do 90% of the emulation at full speed that my 2018 machine does. With CRT or VRR monitor it's basically the same experience. If you're really getting that office PC, at most $100 of parts can make it pretty good for emulation.
This is not to throw shade on the mister. It's just not that cost effective.
Comparing it to a gaming pc isn't really fair. it's not like the mister can play current year pc games or do much else that a pc can.

>>10263843
It's definitely because of that one faggot who kept spamming this shit with the same image. I'll admit I stalled on a mister because of that guy.

>>10263126
You know those famiclone consoles from China that run a Nintendo-On-A-Chip?
It's exactly like that. But thanks to fancy FPGA technology you can get now get software updates on this shit to fix the broken stuff instead of just dealing with it.
Theoretically an FPGA system can be more accurate than software emulation due to not having to deal with OS overhead, latency and various x86 hardware quirks. But in practice they're far from perfect which is why they get software updates in the first place.

>>10260292
>Then you need an AES which are fetching $1000 for a decent example
Why the fuck would you buy one of those when an MVS is like 50 bucks?

>>10264171
$50 MVS?

>>10263126
I can honestly tell you straight up: MiSTer is not for you. Besides the obvious implication that you just want to play some marios, the fact that you can't even do the most basic reasearch on the subject and demand to be spoonfed shows you will only be a net negative to the project.

The last thing MiSTer project needs is another hungry mouth to feed while driving up the price of DE10 boards. I shudder to think how it's going to be when Mario64 lands.

Not Mister, but anyone seen this? Apparently some company called Tatsuju had an FPGA Saturn demoing at Tokyo Game Show

https://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1533163.html

>>10264359
basic single slot MVS boards are dirt cheap. Maybe not quite $50 though and you still need the appropriate power source and a supergun for video output, controller handling etc

>>10264365
Also looks Retron are dipping their toes into the FPGA pool

>>10259712
Everyone said SuperFX on SD2SNES was unlikely if not impossible but all it takes is some hero wizard to come along and prove everyone wrong

>>10264365
>>10264376
That's badass. I wish them luck though, I feel like after openFPGA became a thing, the idea of a "single-console FPGA device" got much more niche.

>>10264404
I can see the appeal, for people who may like to use original game media. Minis were also reasonably successful so there's a mainstream nostalgia market that mister would not appeal to.

>>10264026
That's me and I will continue to cull the herd of weaklings like you.

>>10264370
Plus still have to pay 600 for the flashcart.

>>10264365
>>10264376
Wow an FPGA system that looks like a console instead of a naked stack I have to buy RAM for and yank out of the wall to turn off, where will technology bring us next

Did they take a shortcut by using the leaked VHDL like Ultra HLE did back in the day?

Original hardware is never going to get cheaper, it is only going to increase in price as these systems fail and are lost or destroyed over time. For instance 15 million Ford model T cars were built yet here we are 100 years later where they are only kept running through enthusiasts and reproduction parts, with original parts being extremely scarce and valuable.

The same will happen with consumer electronics which is already being hoarded and failing just a few decades in. In time everyone will be thankful that projects like Mister exist to reproduce these systems and their components to a high accuracy.

i have bought all of the major systems since 1989 but i rather have a clean mister setup than a recreation of the AVGN gaming room in my home.

>>10264858
>projects like Mister exist to reproduce these systems and their components to a high accuracy.
which software emulators already do.

>>10264892
i remember having to mess with frame runahead back on my n64... not at all.

>>10264892
You clearly are a fool. This is a prime example of keeping a classic platform alive with FPGA.

https://hackaday.io/project/11460-fpgated

>>10264376
I'm definitely more likely to buy the Retron FPGA than this piece of trash this anon is shilling ---> >>10264576

>>10265095
That's good, Retron is made for consumers like yourself.

>>10264365
It’s just a MiSTer in a Saturn case running it’s core, check the small print.

>>10264393
>Everyone is stupid
Only 99.999% accurate

>>10265095
Well if it's anything like their previous Retron 5 console, they'll just be repackaging existing cores against their open source licence T&Cs.

>>10265095
No one cares what you spend your money on, telling us how retarded you are isn't going to change that.

The use case where FPGA makes a lot of sense is arcade games.
With more and more PCB hoarders spending small fortunes on hoarding a bunch of circuit boards they will never use, because they own just one or two cabs and swapping that shit in and out is exhausting, scarcity and landfills filled with hoarder's treasrure vaults of old pcb the only way to get a REAL frame perfect arcade exerpience will be some nigga putting a FPGA jamma box into his astro city cab.

>>10264359
Well it seems the price has gone up a bit since I last bought mine, they're now closer to 70 bucks with shipping.
But yes. You can indeed get an MVS board, mostly MV1ACH but other variants do pop up, for very very cheap on AliExpress.
Some sellers even have legit games but you gotta be more careful when buying those. Between 20 and 50 plus shipping per game.
In total I paid less than 200 for an MVS plus six legit games and a supergun, all from AliExpress back in 2021.

>>10264364
>I used MiSTer before it was cool!
lmao, could you be any more transparent about your real goals

>>10264364
what a sour sack, jesus, lighten up mate.

>>10265940
>>10266075
please dont respond to falsefaggers

>>10264365
I'm certainly buying this!

>>10264364
The price of the MiSTer simply isn't worth it. It's not like it's able to emulate Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube & Xbox.

>>10266307
implying i wanna play that trash fuck you kys

>>10266307
That's okay, MiSTer is for playing /vr/ games.

>>10266307
>le strawman goalpost mover

>>10266483
It's not trash, plenty of great games came from 6th gen. Keep seething over the fact that my PC can emulate those consoles & your little box can't.

>>10266573
Those are /vr/ consoles.

>>10266960
Not a goalpost, it exposes how worthless the MiSTer actually is.

>>10267142
Autistic screeching is not an argument.

>>10267313
Yet it's you MiSTer shills doing the screeching. Lol

>>10267142
have fun with frames runahead. youll never be a woman.

>>10267142
Nice anon, taking on the mister tranny's by yourself can be tough. Keep your chin up and your butthole puckered, these faggots are raging hard.

>>10267427
You are one sad fellow. I honestly feel bad for you and hope that one day you are living a life where $300 isn't an unattainable goal.

>>10267142
>Not a goalpost
immediately moves the goal post again, le sigh retard anon

>>10267483
>FF7 reaction image
antishills confirmed for shit taste

>>10267464
I haveno desire to be a "woman". I only desire to emulate all consoless on my PC. Can't do that with the under-powered, severely limited MiSTer.

>>10267483
Indeed.

>>10267524
$300 is easy to obtain because unlike you, I got a job. Hence how I was able to build my custom PC that can emulate most consoles.

>>10267529
What's retarded is paying $500 or $600 on an under powered emulation box that resembles a Power Supply Unit.

>>10251021
That's exactly what I got it for. I have real hardware for basically every console worth owning so there was no point in picking it up for anything but arcade. I got it because I HATE mame.

>>10267142
>Those are /vr/ consoles.
anti-misterfags proving themselves to be the cancer killing this board once again

Man I just love being able to play my old vidyas from a tiny silent box with a snappy interface, that plugs straight into my old CRT and just werks. I also love that it plugs into my old Amiga monitor and just werks. I also love that it plugs into any TV and that it works with any controller that I plug in. Shit's cash.

>>10267831
No, the cancer is you MiSTer shills being dumb enough to think it's a good idea to waste $600 on a device that emulates old game consoles. I could build a PC for the same price & still play classic games on an emulator.

>>10268171
>waste $600
I spend that per week on sushi.

>>10268171
Can you play gate level accurate NeoGeo and Megadrive emulation on your PC? How about correct DMA timings and CPU wait states on CPS1 and CP2 games and other arcade cores. All with zero input or audio latency. Your PC can do that right?

>>10268240
what does any of this nerd shit have to do with playing video games

>>10268254
>>10268171
>>10267715
>>10267483

>>10255551
>low input lag.
Can i hook it to 240hz monitor and run it at actual 240hz? Or is that thing still stuck with 60hz output?

>>10268254
It has everything to do with playing videogames you dimwit. You probably still use zsnes as you think it just fine lol.
>>10268285
It output the consoles originall refresh rate, whatever that may be. So no, you aren't stuck with a straight 60hz output.

>>10268320
It's obvious what the problems with ZSNES are if you just start playing kirby. if you have to read a book on digital circuits to know what's wrong with neo geo emulation, there's nothing wrong with it.

>>10249210
The N64s verilog leaked out in the 90s. Wouldn't surprise me if he's copy/pasting or at least heavily referencing it.

>>10268254
>what does nerd shit have to with videogames
unbelievable

>>10268340
NeoGeo software emulation doesn't even run at the correct speed, let alone display all the little quirks of original hardware like the FPGA core does. Stop commenting on things that you are cleuless about.

>>10268363
like...?

>>10268359
Nah, he's on discord going through the development, it's clear that leaked stuff isn't beign referenced.

>>10268364
I could spend my time to write it all out and you would tell me none of it matters, you're just here to shit on MiSter, not actually engage in good faith. Take care now!

>>10268375
it's amazing how misterfags crumble when you just ask them what's supposedly so good about the snake oil.

>>10268285
You can't even hook it to a 4K monitor.

>>10268378
one night in /vr/ and the tough guys tumble

>>10268378
Ok, so I already mentioned the lack of wait states and DMA access meanig the games run at the wrong speed, it also means when you get slowdown software emulation doesn't handle it accurately. Other shit is minor but still shows the difference, flickering pixels in stage backgrounds on Matrimelee, Super Sidekicks 4 and other many other games that don't show in MAME or FBN. Junk pixels in the overscan or in stage transitions or when you get sprite overload in multiple games that again don't show in software emulation. Sofware emulation is ok for the casual player (you) who doesn't really know or care how real hardware should run or look, but if you do care then MiSTer is demonstrably superior.

>>10268378
The mister is great for its I/O and size. If you’re interested in it that is the primary benefit. The accuracy is a bonus but anything past Genesis/Snes or greater cuts corners so it isn’t anymore accurate than Emulation. The I/O is pretty amazing though

>>10268414
>I/O
Referring to display output or something else?

>>10268369
sure thing, pal. He's totally not learning from it then pretending to do independent research.

>>10268412
I can live with not having offscreen graphical artifacts, but thanks anyway for providing some examples of inaccuracy.

>>10268425
All of the I/o and modularity. It’s a cool little device

>>10268224
You overpaid for Sushi then.

>>10268240
Yes. The right components built into the PC can & will run games more accurately. They don't call us the PC Master Race for nothing.

>>10268945
>You overpaid for Sushi then.
its not the Sushi, it's the plate

>>10268171
who's spending $600?

>>10269090
Damn, if only I liked fish

>>10269302
I paid 285 euros for my full setup three years ago and although prices have gone up since no way have they doubled, surely? I think people keep referring to that overpriced one on Misteraddons with the machined aluminium case and use that as 'proof' of how expensive it is.

>>10268240
Can you play the most basic arcade games like midnight resistance? How about warioware twisted or boktai the sun is in your hand on gba?

>>10269349
>Can you play the most basic arcade games like midnight resistance?
yes

>>10269305
forget the fish, the most deliscious parts require a taste for flowers

>>10268171
Who would want a wheezy beige box plugged into their vidya setup? Virgin tier cringe.

What would it take for MiSTeR to move to different hardware? It seems like the two things holding the project back is the fact that the chip it uses has shaky availability and the entire project could really use a boost in power. Saturn and N64 would be far easier and people could potentially look to PS2/GCN which I think would sell far more people on FPGA

Thinking of streaming some mister and modded retro console stuff. Think there would be any interest?

>>10269714
You're an idiot.

>>10249210
Same thing that happens with every singular, unified configuration. People figure out how to optimize their code to run better on the hardware, and extreme autism gets channeled into making projects like this work.

>>10251021
If you already have another device for emulating then no. Pi crap has long since had analog output to CRTs, and there's a million different devices for taking HDMI signals and putting them on the same.
A Wii also fills the same niche just fine.

>>10249227
Try 1999

>>10270025
A computer from 1999 couldn’t even run FF6 or Yoshis Island at full speed without glitches. Begone Zoomer

>>10270069
They could run Mario 64 just fine, though.

>>10270075
Hardly

>>10270076
Nope, go be a tryhard back on /v/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraHLE

>>10270078
https://youtu.be/NT2Bm4jygIo
Oh yeah “just fine”

>>10270086
>PCem
Not my problem.

>>10270086
>300MHz
There were faster Pentium II's in 1999, sorry that ur poor.

>>10270008
There's displaying on a CRT, and there's syncronised raster. They aren't the same thing.

>>10269714
MARS is trying to do this, but that ACTUALLY costs what the anti-MiSTer shills say a MiSTer costs.

>>10269714
>sell far more people on FPGA
thats a negative. we dont those types of morons in our great community. women and nogs always come soon after.

>>10270149
if it can ACTUALLY fix platforms with broken emulation like N64 and higher, then it might be worth something.

>>10270334
That's the difference with FPGA devs, they are actually digital hardware guys. It's one thing to nigger-rig a shitshow like mame, it's another thing altogether to implement HDL implementations as what you are trying to achieve naturally translates.

>>10270342
>It's one thing to nigger-rig a shitshow like mame...
That's what MiSTer cores are when you go beyond 2D platforms. Hence why a better FPGA is desirable.

>>10270641
So go buy one and start developing cores for it
https://www.digikey.co.uk/en/products/detail/efinix-inc/TI180J484C-DK/20524929

>>10270641
3D is when games got gay. No thanks.

>>10270684
I don't know VHDL. But cheers to anyone who tries.

>>10270641
Lack of knowledge on those 3D systems is a far bigger hurdle to get over than the size of the FPGA. The PS1 core dev said just to get the MDEC’s output accurate to real hardware would take at least six months of work, so had no desire to take it on. A better FPGA would help in some areas but you shouldn’t expect 3d systems to ever be as accurate as the 2d stuff or be significantly better than software emulation.

>>10270773
>you shouldn’t expect 3d systems to ever be as accurate as the 2d stuff or be significantly better than software emulation.
Why? It is all open source. If the Ps1 guy doesn't feel like doing the MDEC someone else will eventually. because the chips are done seperately there is no worrying about improving one thing breaking something else, if everything except the MDEC is implemented well and then the MDEC implementation improves it is just a straight upgrade.

>>10270787
Improved MDEC emulation wouldn’t require a better FPGA and would be implemented in software too so you it still wouldn’t be significantly better. The MDEC was just an example, all parts of the PS1 hardware could do with the same attention. Having more bram and being able to get away from using DDR3 would be of more benefit than a larger FPGA, would mean the GPU could run at the correct speed for starters.

>>10270830
>all parts of the PS1 hardware could do with the same attention.
There is no reason to assume they won't all get it over time. Because people can just work for a bit on one thing at a time once a functional core exists there is no reason not to think that people will decide to improve small components of cores.

>>10270858
And it still won’t be as accurate as the 2D stuff, the consoles are too complex and less well suited to running on an FPGA.

>>10270864
>things will get better
>no they will not
I'm glad we had this talk anon!

Why are there still no decent cases for this thing?

You have either buy the stack, some ugly 3D printed case or get an ITX conversion.

>>10271036
I like the stack.

>>10271036
The only time any single board computer ever has a case is if China decides to manufacture one. No exceptions.

>>10270878
That’s not what I said at all but whatever.

>>10271072
That looks ugly. My PC looks way better.

>>10271425
go away bill gates

Hell yeah, Bug is playable with the latest Saturn update!

>>10271469
Bill Gates would promote Xbox, not the PC. Also you've obviously never heard of Linux.

>>10271491
Bill Gates is no longer a member of Microsoft. He isn't even at the board of directors.

>>10271519
Did he resign due to Bug being ported to PC?

>>10271072
I fucking wish there was a way to connect floppy and CD drives

>>10271620
C64 drives can be connected.

>>10271036
The Ironclad lets you put it in any ITX case you want.

>>10271036
Still the best.

>>10271036
buy or build a box made out of plastic, metal, or wood. drill holes for cable mounts and fan. secure de10 to bottom of box.

>>10271763

>>10271767

>>10271771

another option, buy a bunch of cases made for pi's from amazon with free returns and see if you can make one work

>>10271773
>yeah I put my mister in a double wide trailer, got a heck of a swamp cooler, sewage drain, grey water out, fresh water in, electrical in. Just as good as any stick built house
The absolute state

>>10271789
you liberals with your chinese aluminum mister cuck sheds just hate freedom

>>10271820
I dont even have a mister, but I do have real consoles in my real house, hooked up to my real crt. The whole joke went over your head and you made it political, way to go, cuck.

>>10271773
>>10271789
Better, or worse? Certainly smaller.

>>10271917
Why is it a perfect rectangle. I want to see some interesting designs, not sega Saturns. Where’s the glass n64 shaped cases or the fish tank misters. Perfect for water cooling. Yours is pretty cool for what it is, I do t want to rain on your parade, it looks like you put a lot of thought into it, but I’d be cooler if it was a replica cigar box or like a Japanese transistor radio with ducking wood paneling, bitch

>>10271781
Good idea, a bit of Dremel work should rig one up.

>>10271926
I prefer to keep my MiSTer setup clean and hack up my original consoles to look like cigar boxes and other jank. My aim in life is to game on a potato?

I dunno, nothing about what you said appeals to me. The idea of a fishtank PC even, is not something i'm chasing. But that's just me :)

>>10271942
I want a floating fish tank mister, just a small one with like 15 skittle shrimp and an orchid rooted inside. The bottoms would be a filtration system that is also hooked up to tubes that cool the mister. Sustained in the eather by a drone plugged into a wall.

I have my MiSTer inside the head of my blow-up doll as a case. Gotta love that portability.

>>10271948

>>10271926
its not a fucking bong from 2007

>>10249227

>>10251021
Considering I wanted to get an MVS and then calculating the price of the games, multi-carts, or that NeoSD cart, the MiSTer is a steal. Adding onto that, I also don't have to go through the hassle of getting a supergun setup for Super Turbo either or any of the CPS games. We recently got a bunch of the Taito games too so I'm playing games I never knew existed like In The Hunt and Ninja Baseball.

>>10271036
3D print one

>>10271763
>>10271767
>>10271771
pretty neat actually but you should really put a heatsink on the FPGA if you want that fan to actually cool it

I always come to read through these threads to laugh

>MY PC CAN EMULATE THE GAME
sure, but call me when PC emulation has no input delay
>RUNAHEAD, BITCH!
Ok, so you don't mind playing the game using a method that makes it inaccurate. Cool.

>>10249210
I always think people claim something is impossible so that when they free up they can snatch the patreon bait. I'm just glad every core becomes free once it's ready for the public. Although, FPGAzumspass and srg release their cores for public testing as soon as they have something remotely playable. It's a great journey and I cannot wait until CPS3 is out!

>>10272131
genuine question, is the neo geo core really 1:1 with real hardware?
I was told the genesis core was cycle accurate but now it isn't when this new one was released?
How about SNES and NES? GB, GBC, GBA?
It's really hard to find proper accuracy data/comparisons. People just keep throwing out buzz words like "perfect" but I'm not seeing any actual empirical data to back it up.

Also, something I've been wondering about.
I know the PS1 has some imperceptible timing issues. Compared to PS2 BC, which do you guys think would be the most "accurate" representation of PS1 hardware?
I ask because until the mister came along, the PS2 was the only proper way to play PS1 over component without an adapter.

>>10272159
The average joe cannot pick out a pixel or frame discrepancy mid-gameplay. What they're really content with is the fact that there is no input delay and the game is behaving as it should on real hardware until someone points out there is something wrong.

>I was told the genesis core was cycle accurate but now it isn't when this new one was released?
What was 1:1 accurate was the sound because it was tested against MDFourier. There are some other cores with MDFourier tests as well if you're into sound analysis. Also, the majority of the cores are being developed by hobby people who have no financial stake and I wouldn't expect any advancements in accuracy as frequently. The way MiSTer and any FPGA solution works is that they are completely translating circuit functions into digital code which is then used to reconfigure the FPGA itself. This is extremely time consuming and the results will always vary.

If you're legitimately concerned about the accuracy of the current cores and cannot pick out discrepancies on software emulators, then you won't be able to tell on an FPGA emulator. You will benefit from the lack of input delay though.

>>10272156
There's no "input delay" when using a wired usb controller. I would know. PC Master Race wins again.

>>10272193
You've merely gotten used to it, boyo. If you ever get a chance to play real hardware or FPGA on a CRT you'll be like "WTF!".

>>10272195
I play on real hardware & on a CRT. Zero difference.

>>10272193
>>10272198
check your controller on this, enjoy. It doesn't just apply to the MiSTer only by the way.
https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency

>>10272159
If I can't tell the difference then it's perfect.

>>10272190
>The average joe cannot pick out a pixel or frame discrepancy mid-gameplay.
Do you think this is marketed towards the average joe?

>>10272159
Neogeo is a full decap job which recently had some detailed timing fixes.

>>10272159
iirc, "cycle accurate" is still indistinguishable from real hard. the difference is how they come to that result or something?
im not an exprt so i dunno why i even post

>>10272262
It's not marketed to anyone, mister is a free software project.

>>10271915
your consoles, house, and crt may be real, but your womanhood will never be

I have a real question. Who was the MiSTer Mini-ITX Ironclad Plus made for? All I see is needless spreading out of the MiSTer and bulking it up for no reason other than to make it fit inside any Mini-ITX case with zero apparent benefits.

>>10272152
I've seen dozens of tests on pi's. no heatsink plus fan is best, unless you find a way to affix it with actual thermal paste and apply pressure. thermal tape is a garbage conductor. you end up with 20 minutes of cooler temps followed by hours of hotter temps

>>10270773
What the fuck's the point of using an FPGA console if it's not going to achieve 100% accuracy? Might as well save some money and just emulate through software.

>>10272407
Ok then, go ahead.

>>10272463
I already do. I don't have the money for a MiSTER and if I did I'd have more important things to spend it on.

>>10272486
Isn't having options beautiful? sure, some decisions other people made don't align with what you would personally do, but you have the power to do whatever you want and nobody can do anything about it. I love options. Now just look at modern console babbies. They have to conform with whatever console they bought unless they can afford anything.

I'm playing this, it's decent.

>>10272486
Hey that's great that you can enjoy your life your way!

>>10272368
Source on that?

>>10272549
Is there a Steam core on Mister or did this get ported to some retro system?

>>10272561
Oops, posted in the wrong thread. Carry on.

>>10272561
A steam core would be good, though. And the absence of that is one reason why a PC with software emulation would beat mister if you wanted to also play steam games.

>>10272586
>beat mister
It would be a reason to own both. Stop being poor.

>>10272407
It's almost as though systems it can emulate perfectly were a priority and there's nothing they can do about the fact that the only affordable FPGA, the DE-10, is basically one of a kind and there's a limit to its processing abilities. Clearly anyone looking for an all in one emulation box would have zero use for a simple system that perfectly emulates certain systems but only emulates others okay.

>>10272629
So why even bother developing cores for systems the DE-10 doesn't have the processing power for? I can get half-assed N64 emulation out of an old PC or even a fucking Wii.

>>10272674
https://imgur.com/a/GigOMNE
tl;dr: he's developing a fully accurate CPU, then reducing it down to make games run at full speed on Mister. The idea is that when a more powerful FPGA board is affordable/accessible, there will be a fully accurate N64 core ready to go. In the meantime there will be a very playable N64 core to mess around with. According to him, even with the workarounds the CPU will still be more accurate than current software emulators.

>>10272674
Oh come on, Mister is much more accurate than N64 on Wii. And you're still avoiding what I just said. You buy it for accurate emulation on some systems and okay emulation on others. If you're only interested in accurate emulation then, I dunno, maybe you just ignore stuff like N64.

>>10272629
Because this project is not just for servicing vidya players. It is part of an ongoing ecosystem of projects to recreate systems on FGPA.

>>10272717
That's actually pretty solid reasoning. The one thing I'd be concerned about is if that next FPGA would be backwards compatible with the DE-10 or at least easy to port DE-10 software to.

>>10272726
>Oh come on, Mister is much more accurate than N64 on Wii.
Fair point.
>And you're still avoiding what I just said. You buy it for accurate emulation on some systems and okay emulation on others. If you're only interested in accurate emulation then, I dunno, maybe you just ignore stuff like N64.
Is there anything that the MiSTER can emulate more accurately than a secondhand PC? You can get "accurate emulation on some systems and okay emulation on others" with a PC, so I wonder if there's anything the MiSTER can do to justify the premium.

>>10272975
Mister builds on MIST which builds on minimig, as well as a ton of other projects. Once a device is described in HDL it is done.

>>10272975
>$300
>premium

Friend you are thinking purely in context of playing games, feel free to go about your life as if it did not exist.

>>10272975
>You can get "accurate emulation on some systems and okay emulation on others" with a PC
Not without significant investments in a good computer. If you don't already have a modern mid-level gaming PC, you might as well get an FPGA. Even then, FPGA doesn't have input delay.

>>10273010
Well what else can you do with a MiSTER besides play games?
>>10273024
>Not without significant investments in a good computer.
How significant are we talking? What would you define as a "modern mid-level gaming PC"?

>>10273043
I run the most accurate emulators for 2D consoles, Mednafen for Saturn/ PS1 and N64 Parallel plugins on an eight year old Skylake dual core i3 and a gtx 950. You could run them all on less too as I still have enough overhead for frame delay, run ahead, crt shaders, hard gpu sync, nvidia low latency mode, 1000hz controller polling etc etc. In other words, no you dont need a modern mid level gaming pc to run the best available software emulators. And a machine of that spec will also be good enough to play thousands of steam adn other PC games. But you won't be running gate level accurate cores like the miSTer has for NeoGeo or Megadrive, but to most people that won't matter, softtware is good enough for them which is fine.

However I still prefer playing on MiSTer for the systems it supports for the advantages that FPGA's offer and the general ease of use.

>>10272629
>It's almost as though systems anything can emulate perfectly were a priority
ftfy

>>10272975
For me, it's the plug & play nature of the Mister that makes it worth it. I can have multiple "systems" hooked up to my CRT and my HDTV simultaneously, with low lag, low fuss. It just werks.

>>10273273
Which systems are emulated "perfectly" in software? And do they on run on a Pi 2 seeing as apparently anything can run them?

>>10273332
Well you can't emulate SNES on a NES, so I guess not anything.

>>10249210
Why has no one bother to use/able the 128KB VRam mode for the Mega Drive (who has a unused CRam bus) and SNES (who also has a 256KB VRam mode) cores, the real hardware supports it so why has no one bothered putting in that function in MiSTer?

Imagine the homebrew that can come out of it, Mario Paint with 256 on screen colors for starters.

>>10273337
Does any homebrew exist that uses such a mode? Seems like a chicken and egg problem to me.

>>10273339
The Sega Tera Drive used the Mega Drive's 128KB VRam mode for a puzzle game and Mega Drive software development, M2 also used the Mega Drive's 128KB VRam mode for a few of their own projects as well.

The SNES however is limited to a VRam (128KB) ram expansion of Mega Man X.

https://www.mediafire.com/?aokk8ly2ba1ez5c
https://github.com/devinacker/bsnes-plus/issues/184

>>10273337
Does the new megadrive core support it?

>>10273393
No, not to my knowledge.

>>10273337
>Mario Paint with 256 on screen colors for starters.
WOW! That sounds AMAZING! That'd totally be worth spending more than the 2 minutes one person would spend fucking around with it to make!

>>10273732
If someone starts using the 128KB VRam mode of the SNES.

>>10273732
While I see your point I am compelled to point out that weird people have been playing Marion Paint for decades and will continue doing so until they are dead.

>>10273258
How well does Higan run for you on that setup?

>>10273258
I have a skylake i7. You do not have enough capacity to runahead PS1/Saturn. And mednafen has so much input lag there's no system out there that can runahead to the point it's playable like real hardware.
Mister has a dogshit PS1 core based on duckstation so don't think I'm shilling here. I just don't get people who are either wilfully lying or deluded enough to believe their poor man's emulation setup is somehow "perfect."
Emulators have been getting worse, not better, because all the talent retired a long time ago and now we just have autists grinding shitheap features that make everything run worse. Every time I be lazy and fire up an emulator it reminds me why I keep real hardware around.

>>10273814
>Emulators have been getting worse, not better, because all the talent retired a long time ago
What are you basing this on exactly?

>>10273772
No problem, there’s more than enough single thread performance on Slylake for that stuff. Although Higan kinda became redundant once bsnes was restarted, there’s no reason to use it.
>>10273814
True, I meant run ahead for the 2d systems only, thanks for the correction. I never found the stand alone of Mednafen to be too laggy when set up with the mednaffe frontend, found it to very playable. The MiSTer PS1 core has it’s GPU based on Duckstation and some of it’s MDEC, but the core doesn’t have as much black crush or posterization that Duckstation has in it’s FMV’s or backgrounds generated by it. It’s still better on the whole than software emulators and no one with a clue thinks it’s perfect, the dev has said exactly where it falls short, which was always going to be the case with getting it run on the DE-10.

>>10273737
If someone accidentally the entire vram?
>>10273739
>until they are dead.
The odds of this are nearly 50%

>>10249227
Don't samefag you loser.

>>10270149
>anti-MiSTer shills
Aren't shills. They're not shilling anything, try again shill.

>>10271072
Ugly as fuck. Thanks for convincing me not to own a MiSTer, mister.

>>10274208
Speak for yourself, the Raspberry Pi Foundation pays my bills.

>>10274208
You niggers come out like an army every time there's a MiSTer thread. Or maybe you're just one really autistic samefag. I don't know, but the fact that you retards use the same talking points every time makes me think you're the shills here.

>>10273258
I was about to say "THANK YOU" until you went back to MiSTER shilling with the last sentence of your first paragraph.

>>10273814
What's wrong with Duckstation? Are there better PS1 emulators on PC?

>>10274025
Real hardware can take the extra ram.
https://forums.nesdev.org/viewtopic.php?t=14465

>>10274208
What you are doing is shilling. You're upset that someone can have a good time with something they bought and you want them to buy what you bought instead, even though they have legitimate reasons for their purchase. You are one of the few people that can legitimately be called a shill here.

>>10273772
got a skylake i5 and higan doesnt even use 20% of my resources, it also doesnt provide smooth stutterless scrolling without adding v-tearing or audio glitches. same for mesen and mednafen.

mister however can somehow get my 42" panasonic plasma to run at the native refresh rate of every console I've tried so far using vsync_ adjust=2 without v-tearing or audio glitches, something no emulator I've ever tried has been able to do.

>>10274718
Can real hardware post a relevant reply?

>>10275326
No one has ever posted a video with the ram mod.

>>10274440
>is mister obviously retarded? no, everyone else is the same shill.

>>10265530
> swapping that shit in and out is exhausting,

you are obese & poor

>>10275635
>MiSTer owners are now the poor ones
Wasn't the main criticism that it was too expensive?

>>10275642
emulatorfags and real hardware fags are not the same group of people, retard.

>>10274956
Mister just werx. With software emulation you have to spend a month tuning the config then tune the runahead for every game.

>>10275334
>No it can not, and neither can I
How sad. Get well soon.

>>10275642
There's a difference between being too expensive & being overpriced. For example, buying a nice home for $300,000 is too expensive. Buying a MiSTer for $600 is overpriced, you may as well build a low end gaming PC for the same price.

>>10276265
A low end gaming PC can't do what the mister does. It's an entirely different form of emulation. It's like comparing apples to oranges. Sure they're both delicious but they're not the same thing despite the similarities.

>>10276270
They actually sell FPGA boards for gaming PC's. There's nothing a MiSTer can do, that the PC can't do.

>>10276274
Link me to some FPGA boards for gaming PCs and link me to some emulators that use those FPGAs to play games.

>>10276274
what would even be the point of that? just use a de10 nano and mister at that point

>>10276274
And none of them are suitable for the task of running MiSTer cores.

>>10276274
That would have to go through the OS and defeat the purpose of FPGA.

>>10276292
I have no idea what gaming shit that guy's talking about, but there are a lot of FPGA boards that are made to be installed in PCs. I also have no idea what you imagine you mean by being "suitable for the task of running MiSTer cores" but you can get something that's basically a DE10 nano on a card. If they're still making them. Shits pretty old and really only good for hobbyists now. Most boards used fro real shit are massively more advanced.

>>10276698
And do these cards have native video out or do they force you to go through the rest of the computer making them pointless for retro gaming?

>>10276707
So FPGAs aren't more accurate, then?

>>10276720
You are not here to actually discuss anything. Get a better hobby.

>>10276724
Actually playing video games is a good enough one for me.

>>10276274
Very true, but unfortunately the shills won't agree with you because it defeats the purpose of owning a MiSTer.

>>10276720
Correct

>>10249210
>Ps1 promised to be absolutely impossible on Nintendo Wii for years
>suddenly Wiistation is rebuild with lightrec progressing month by month with games working at full speed
>while having 240p, CDDA, lightgun with wiimote and CHD format support.
>Wii's are still cheap!

What gives

>>10276890
>lightgun with wiimote
that's actually pretty cool, thanks for the headsup

>>10276890
>lightgun with wiimote
I would rather play with a dpad.

>>10276707
I have no idea what you imagine "native video out" means. Do you mean the onboard HDMI mister has, which is pointless for retro gaming? If so, then yes, of course that's available on many cards. But again, pointless for retro gaming. If you mean anything else, then yes. The same part on a PCI card can do whatever the same part on a card with no PCI interface can. That should be obvious to even the zoomiest of zoomies.

>>10277070
So are there FPGA AIBs that provide analog video out? Genuine question.

>>10277103
Without knowing what "FPGA AIBs" means to you I can't say. In the context of FPGAs AIB generally refers to a feature that's available on some models. But it really doesn't have anything to do with video. So I suspect it means something different to you. But I won't hazard to guess what that is.

>>10276698
Exactly. I don't know why some of these MiSTer defenders claim PC can't have FPGA or MiSTer cores. Do they expect PC owners to buy the MiSTer itself on MiSTerAddOns?

>>10277837
Probably. They once bragged about how you could turn your PC into a MiSTer. All of a sudden they don't bring it up now.

>>10276698
Mister isn't a hardware platform, it's a project that happens to run on a de10 nano. Show me where mister or any other fpga project is implemented on a PC card FPGA.

>>10277837
What do you expect from people so insecure and desperate for validation that they'll pay for emulation just to feel superior and have something to never shut up about?

>>10278050
>le copeypasta
Yawn
>Mister isn't a hardware platform
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Hardware_MiSTer
>Show me where mister or any other fpga project is implemented on a PC card FPGA.
Are you saying that's what "suitable for the task of running MiSTer cores" in your head? Also, you're joking, right? What do you imagine all these cards are used for? Do you imagine that everyone in the world who has an FPGA development system only has it to feel superior and never shut up about it?

>>10276274
No, they don't sell affordable FPGAs for PC that can do what mister does.

>>10278242
>Do you imagine that everyone in the world who has an FPGA development system only has it to feel superior and never shut up about it?
LMAO amazing, this was pretty much exactly what I was thinking about your post before you said it yourself. All you're doing is bragging about nothing.

That guy is right, by the way, Mister isn't a hardware platform anymore than Retroarch is (which also at one point only worked on one platform).

>>10278316
>>10278242
>>10278050
It's sort of both, it has a hardware component and a software component. MARS is trying to be a separate hardware platform that can run MiSTer cores.

Everyone I know who has one swears by it, but I feel like I would get bored of a MiSTer. I will prob end up getting something like it in the long run, but I would rather just use a console and flash cart than pay all this money for emulation. Even if it's perfectly accurate, it's pretty pricey and introduces lag (very low but still detectable). Inevitably there will be an even more powerful follow up that you'll need to get to play DC or PS2 games so why bother -- I can go without playing Bonk another decade.

>>10278330
Starting from scratch, a good console modded for modern displays and a flash cart will cost as much as a mister.

>>10277858
I do remember that.

>>10278242
True.

>>10278286
If you can't afford FPGA boards for PC, you're either very poor or your job gives you only 2 hours a day for minimum wage.

>>10278330
how could you get bored of atari 2600/5200/7800, colleco, nes, snes, gb, gbc, super gb, gba, master system, genesis, 32x, segaCD, game gear, neo geo, neo geo cd, neo geo pocket/color, wonderswan, lynx, tgfx16, tgfx16 cd, psx, saturn, n64, and TONS of arcade boards?

>>10276890
Who cares, why would anyone wanna play PS1 on the WII?

>>10278330
>muh detectable lag
You can’t detect it.

>>10278375
>If you can't afford FPGA boards for PC, you're either very poor or your job gives you only 2 hours a day for minimum wage.
Post a suitable FPGA that is affordable and manufactured at scale. There aren't any, that was the point of the DE-10, it is an FPGA that was intentionally sold at a loss and manufactured at scale in order to give programmers more exposure to FPGAs.

>>10278330
If you use it with a CRT and original controller via SNAC, the lag is the same as og hardware. If you use it with a decent monitor that works with vsync_adjust=2, and a good usb controller, the lag is negligible. The lag comes from HDTVs that don't play nice with the odd refresh rates, and you have to use the framebuffer options that add 1-2 frames of lag.

>>10278316
>LMAO amazing, this was pretty much exactly what is actually going on in my broken brain
You don't need to be a psychologist to diagnose Mister Coper Disorder.
>>10278427
>Post a video of you jumping through the hoops my strawman is holding
NTA, but still lmfao at your cope. Gotta love how the ignorami ITT have gone from "it doesn't exist", to "oh, it does, b-b-but it doesn't work", to "ok it works, b-b-but it's to expensive" in less than 24 hours. I bet the mister devs couldn't make a core more accurate than 100% accurate that fast.

>>10278464
>You don't need to be a psychologist to diagnose Mister Coper Disorder.
You are mad because you got called out. You also don't know what a strawman is. Post an FPGA or shut the fuck up.

>>10278464
A PC FPGA card that is as powerful as the mister doesn't exist, doesn't work for the purpose we require of having analogue out and even so are very expensive. If that changes I will consider buying one so keep me posted.

>>10278330
>hates vidya
Go back to /v/.

>>10278464
Retard

>>10276698
Claiming that you can put an FPGA board in your PC and it will become a mister is as deluded as cutting off your dick and believing you will be a woman. YWNBAW

>>10278467
>>10278468
>>10278559
>>10278603
Wow, you're an angry little baby, aren't you. I'm assuming this is all samefag. There can't possibly be four people this stupid on the internet, right? Why are you even crying about an emulator box you can't afford? You understand that Mr MiSTer isn't going to give you a free MiSTer because you shill his stuff, right?
I'll just leave this here
https://www.terasic..(com.tw)/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&CategoryNo=13&List=Simple

Where did all of the schizo anti-mister posters come from? It's not even particularly expensive if you're a hobbyist looking for a low latency solution that can be easily hooked up to a variety of TVs.

>>10278692
You realize it's an open source project, right? There's nothing to shill for it.

>>10278924
It only takes one dedicated shitposter

>>10278427
So you're very poor? Got it. Must be tough living with your parents, not being able to afford or save up for an FPGA board to install on your PC.

>>10279009
Post an FPGA or shut the fuck up.

>>10279009
>Must be tough living with your parents
My parents are very nice people and I love them very much.

>>10279034
whats that like? my parents are cruel and speak little to me

>>10279228
It makes me feel guilty when I don't bother talking to them in a while but is otherwise pretty nice.

>>10278375
>If you can't afford FPGA boards for PC, you're either very poor or your job gives you only 2 hours a day for minimum wage.
that's fucking retarded, you're just trying to one up MiSTer fags with some dumbass reply. Of course no average joe can afford $1,000's on an FPGA. Most people who have access to these type of FPGAs work for a big company who pays for that shit.

>>10269090
Is that a boy? I've seen some flat XX chests but not that flat and 18+

Can we all just stop and think how fucking weird it is that people are so attached to the idea of modifying something initially sold as office equipment they can't even bear a thread existing that's about something else? Just think about it. In the 80s the PC was marketed as an alternative to typewriters and calculators, 40 years on its an open platform people are so attached to they're now lying about add-ons just to entertain the idea of turning a PC into a MiSTer out of pure spite. It's like taping a razor blade to a stapler just because someone invented scissors. Deranged.

>>10279242
can your parents pretend to be my parents, only sometimes when youre not using them? please...

>>10280850
This may have sounded cool in your head, but it only sounds like rambling without focus to the rest of us. Cut you post in half, and try again.

>>10280850
I'm convinced it's one extremely deranged faggot doing this.

>>10280850
mistercoper meltdown

Hey misterfans just a friendly reminder that if you like this project you could throw Sorgelig a bone, that dude is a champion heavy lifter.

>>10281071
Yes for someone who can't afford the $300 for a Mister obviously doesn't have a job so has nothing but time on his hands to seethe and dilate.

>>10249210
Too expensive when I can just emulate games inefficiently on my $700 cell phone. Maybe next time kiddo.

>>10255189
Hell yeah, wish someone would make uncensored versions of the sequels to make them align with the gore in arcades.

Waiting to see if dual ram takes off before getting a better case that doesn't have wires coming out of all ends.

>>10249210
I'm not paying $600 to $700 dollars for an emulation box. It's not cost efficient. It shouldn't cost more than modern consoles. If I am spending that amount of money then it needs to be multi-purpose like my PC or smartphone. Otherwise the most I will spend is modern console prices which are around $300. It better come fully assembled and ready to go out of the box like a proper finished product. I am not a beta tester.

>>10281394
Lucky that it only costs $300 then. you stupid cunt.

>>10281471
Then show me a complete Mister that I can hook up to my HDTV. No tinkering. No buying other things seperately. Complete and fully assembled.

What the fuck is wrong with all the PC fags in this thread? Just use the phone you already own, retards.

>>10281538
Mister isn't a product you stupid cunt.

>>10281394
>It better come fully assembled and ready to go out of the box like a proper finished product
Did your PC?

>>10281471
>$300
Liar. It's free software.

>>10281636
>Mister isn't a product you stupid cunt
If I'm paying money, then it's a product. Deal with it.

>>10281780
>Did your PC?
Yes it did. What a stupid and unrelated question