/vr/ - Retro Games

The artist's vision is complete bullshit because their opinion doesn't matter to me, nobody's does. The only person whose opinion about whether something is fun holds any importance to me is my own, so I'm going to play the games how I want.

>>10245708
game designers know more about good game design than most players. if you don't play the game the way they wanted, you won't broaden your own horizons and you'll have less of the fun that comes with the unfamiliar.

>>10245715
but if you're just going to make up pretend rules why not just play something better? like if you have to throw out the entire manual just to have fun with monopoly you would probably just be better suited to play somethingactually fun

>>10245716
Even this is bullshit though because a lot of it was tech constraints, time constraints, financial constraints, or their decisions were dictated by financial gain.

>>10245718
a lot of the quality of these things are unintended in the first place. removing those constraints can make for a worse game because the high quality they released at wasnt the intent.

>>10245718
And then you have cases like Sonic 3D Blast Director's Cut where the developer goes back and updates his own game into what he'd envisioned but didn't have time to polish, but /vr/ will still say QoL hacks are soulless

>>10245708
it's autism and desire for status. Don't try to understand it. They're fundamentally unreasonable/irrational and cut off from the mindset/experience/perspective they had as a child while desperately trying to reclaim it. Remember this everytime you here someone on /v/ or /vr/ bitching about people liking the wrong things or playing things the wrong way or being inauthentic/npc's/normalfags/secondaries/scrubs/reddit/whatever

It's just mental illness. That's all it's ever been and ever will

>>10245708
Anon this isn't rocket science. People want others to experience the joy of playing the game the original way it was released. Take Metal Slug for example. Retro gamers would recommend playing the game on an arcade cabinet if you can find one. Not on a console (with missing animations and features), nor on an emulator with cheats turned on like autofire and infinite credits. There is a joy in playing the game when there are stakes involved and with how the developer wanted you to play the game.

>>10245708
You can play however the fuck you want as long as you acknowledge its not the original intended version/experience.

Also im pretty sure you are just getting shook up by shitposting that you are taking as legit criticism. 99% of people, even if they have preferences, dont actually give a fuck how you play a bideo gay.

>>10245748
original vs. intended are not the same though

>>10245747
Autofire is not a cheat, and how the hell does a quarter matter if you are the one who owns the machine?

Much more relevant to the experience of a game than the technical minutia of how you play it is the community and atmosphere, which you will not be able to recreate. The next best alternative is to embrace the community/culture today (Japanese superplayers, western 1CC collectors, retro gaming fans, fightcade players, etc.) and these players almost universally emulate with enhancements like slowdown removal and autofire. Like 98% of original hardware collectors barely play on them.

>>10245747
>Take Metal Slug for example. Retro gamers would recommend playing the game on an arcade cabinet if you can find one. Not on a console (with missing animations and features), nor on an emulator with cheats turned on like autofire and infinite credits. There is a joy in playing the game when there are stakes involved and with how the developer wanted you to play the game.
Don't forget infinite ammo cheats, infinite hp, being able to summon any weapon cheat, and being able to summon any vehicle with infinite hp. It's not just infinite credits and autofire cheats.

>>10245708
Those aren't uncontroversial things. Removing slowdown or using romhacks can change the way a game plays, which isn't bad but there's a reason some are unhappy about it. I personally enjoy using emulation but without anything else, as it is rather convenient and also allows me to keep track of certain details, so I have no problem with what you do, but the reason why some ask others to specify whether they used things like autofire or not is because it does make a difference, and whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you. I do agree that a lot of people obsessed with original hardware are more interested in the hardware or the "feel" of the era, rather than the games themselves, but that's their problem. If you enjoy playing with autofire, feel free to do so.

Back in the day people played to have fun. Nobody cared about how you played the damn game, not with the likes of Nintendo Power and game tip hotlines at your disposal, unless you were personally challenged by some faggot kid who dared you to beat a tough game sooner than him.
And for some reason this board has garnered a bunch of "some faggot kid" kinda people for whatever reason. Probably never paid taxes in their lives to have a concept of what is really worth one's time, either.

>>10245775
Not really. I play emulation. But if I could own an original arcade cabinet, then I would. I live in a small apartment in New York so it's not happening any time soon.

>>10245748
>as long as you acknowledge
people playing how they want live rent-free in your head, baby boy

>>10245708
>i can't play the game like that, it's artificial difficulty
See what I did there kiddo?

>>10245759
Pic related is a Joust that was just repaired with a new tube in my local burger joint. It's about finding good arcades now, not ones you'd expect to find in laundromats or bus stations.

Quarters are self imposed difficulty. If you're a quarterwhore you can beat any games handily. In bed.

>>10245747
Yep. I take my nephew and niece to a local retro arcade when I babysit them. I want them to at least experience the original authentic thrill of the cabinets. No emulation or any extra cheats installed.

>>10245708
As always, its the vocal minority that have this view and are sure to shove that down everyone's throat whenever they get the opportunity.

Nothing to discuss here really.

>>10245708
because it ruins the game
just like they ruined star wars by adding so much shit on top of the originals instead of leaving them the fuck alone

slowdown is literally required for some titles
original hardware is literally required for some titles

emulation is a neat novelty and "good enough" for normies/morons or people who dont know better

but those old enough to remember the titles wont want to play a shitty pandoras box version of the game running at 132% speed


play however you want more power to ya
but ruining the experience doesnt appeal to me
or people who actually own arcade cabs

>>10245839
either bait or you are one dumb motherfucker who hasn't emulated a game in 20+ years.

>>10245847
already explained to you why removing the slowdown breaks bullet hell shmups in a different thread

instead of posting a rebuttal argument
You started seething and made your own thread

insulting my intelligence does not change the fact that you are wrong

>>10245859
I don't play shmups

>>10245860
start to git gud anon
there is still time in this life of sin

>>10245839
post your cabs then
post your pcb then
why do people come here to LARP??

>>10245859
Basically the only shmups designed around slowdown is CAVE who used shitty underpowered hardware (mostly to save money) and their games suffer long term because of it; there are sudden jerks into and out of slowdown, movement is inconsistent, and input lag skyrockets. It also makes accurate slowdown emulation very difficult (including console ports). And even then, many people play CAVE games no wait/no slowdown like SDOJ which most people emulate the 360 version with basically no slowdown and prefer that.

Aside from CAVE going full retard, there are basically no examples of games explicitly being designed around slowdown or being more enjoyable with slowdown.

>>10245869
metal slug 2
rail cart level on mega man X
just because you don't play video games doesnt mean everyone else doesnt

>>10245879
>metal slug 2
you mean the game that had massive slowdown due to a programming error and was literally remade the very next year just to address it?

fucking imbecile

>>10245884
>says metal slug X is the same as 2
>while calling other people names
the absolute state of this board
>>10245864
dont @ me

>>10245886
I didn't say it was the same you illiterate retard. I said it was remake, which it was, the game is 95% the same as 2.

And saying Mega Man is balanced around slowdown is equally idiotic, as the GameBoy games had tons of slowdown, while the NES games had moderate slowdown, and then on decent hardware, none of the newer Mega Man games have slowdown.

Just play the game however you want. No one's going to write headlines about you or line up at your door begging to see scanlines, etc.

>>10245839
>emulation is a neat novelty and "good enough" for normies/morons or people who dont know better
This message is sponsored by 90s console manufacturers

>>10245759
>The next best alternative is to embrace the community/culture today
Yeah, no. Fuck that shit, I enjoy video games because they are fun, not to feel like I have to associate with spergs in some gay ass "community".

>>10245896
i didnt say it was built/balanced around slowdown
i said it was there on original hardware
you can verify for yourself on your snes within 5 minutes

removing things that were in the original games FUCKS up the games
stop posting kek

if we're going to arbitrarily remove or change things; why stop there? add some flopping anime tiddies while youre at it
change the ost to be your favorite linkin park album

>>10245912
the gameplay-focused retro gaming community is pretty cool. the collecting focused retro gaming community is just fucking AIDS

>>10245907
ah yes, the huge underground black market of used 90s systems
sega nintendo and sony make so much money off ebay auctions

the delusion is simply too strong here
or the board is flooded with underage larps

>>10245915
the gameplay-focused retro gaming community are the people who shut up and play games. The people with something to say are not the ones playing games.

>>10245708
Why do you shit up the board?

>>10245708
Most people are actually not this annoying about it, but the problem is solved by just talking to other people who emulate. On /vr/ we have /hhg/, on /vg/ there's /emugen/, and outside of that there's modern compilation releases made by the developers themselves that go against this. Chances are though if it's a rare or obscure system though most people are probably emulating anyway outside of five people who just want to feel more important than everybody else because they spent money on an old console.

"How the devs intended it" is just what some people tell themselves to try and claim that their preference is "objectively better". It's bullshit. Most devs would just be happy people enjoyed their games no matter how; and for every example of "this looks only right on a CRT" you can find more examples of things that look wrong. For instance for tile based games, while it's easy to take CRT 4:3 stretching into account during dev for things like title screens, menus or cutscenes, it's not that easy to do the same for gameplay environments due to how tile-based games work. This is why CRTfags always use the Chrono Trigger moon (a cutscene) as an example, but wouldn't use gameplay elements in the same game. Other good eamples are ports of PC games like Duke Nukem 3D on PSX: they modified the title screen to take into account non-square pixels, but couldn't do the same for gameplay elements. So only the title screen looks "as intended".
This is why the fucking Game Boy, which came out in 1989, was so proud of its square pixels they even advertised it on the front of the console itself. CRTs were a burden.

As for savestates there is nothing wrong with cheating, cheats used to be a part of old games more than newer ones; the problem is people who won't admit to themselves that it is a cheat, especially self-proclaimed "super players" who "train" with savestates and tell themselves it's not cheating.

>>10246067
>while it's easy to take CRT 4:3 stretching into account during dev for things like title screens, menus or cutscenes, it's not that easy to do the same for gameplay environments due to how tile-based games work. This is why CRTfags always use the Chrono Trigger moon (a cutscene) as an example, but wouldn't use gameplay elements in the same game
That only applies for games/consoles with weird aspect ratios but you're right

>>10245708
It's ok to use save states and enjoy your shallow victory in a 40 year old game designed for children. We're not born equal, some people are good at video games and some have social skills

>>10245864
They (You) come here to larp because this is an 18+ board. You're literally larping as an adult by being here while underage. (You) also come here because you've been run out of everyplace else. Where else can (You) respond to a post with an unhinged trant demanding someone post whatever random shit you imagine supports the narrative in your vacuous head, without getting run out of town.

>>10246067
The notion that using save states for practice invalidates any future run you will ever have is probably one of the most retarded arguments I've seen on /vr/, and that's saying a lot

>>10246123
I do not get the cope around "artificial difficulty". Games have lose states, and the response is save states? Is that even a game anymore?

>>10245708
I guess I'm a big schizo because I go out of my way to use a CRT and original period-accurate controllers but play my games via emulation.

>>10245717
If there was an easy alternative I would be playing it.
This is it. This is all there is.

>>10245747
But the game was developed knowing there would be a console release...

>>10245708
To browse this website effectively you to filter out the dumb fuck autismos.

>>10245720
Nah.

>>10245785
nta it's not that at all, it's just that people then go online and comment on the games when they never even played them. We can tell you not to act stupid all you want, it's your decision whether to do so or not, that's very true.

>>10246214
Bro you can't post that on a blue board

>>10245839
Sunk cost fallacy

>>10245914
Nah

>>10245957
Stop projecting, plastic huffer

>>10246067
>>10246092

>>10246221
>ps2 games were secretly early 2000s PC games

>>10246067
"I couldn't get a PVM": The Post

>>10246189
We all make compromises, but as long as you mentally strive to keep it close to original then it's good.

>>10246195
>But the game was developed knowing there would be a console release...
The Neo Geo AES isn't a console. It's an arcade in a box. That's why it was insanely expensive during its first release. You couldn't even buy it at first. Only rent it from SNK.

>>10246237
Not only the AES version. The developers would have known Saturn and PlayStation ports down the road would be very likely.

Emulators are fine. Save states are not. I have both real hardware and a PC and I prefer emulating for convenience and sheer amount of choices. Note that real hardware faggots do it for the collecting not playing games. Save states are fucking lame tho

>>10246239
>Not only the AES version. The developers would have known Saturn and PlayStation ports down the road would be very likely.

The Neo Geo AES was designed and manufactured in 1989, and released 1990. Back then, that was the only console SNK cared about. No other system could handle Neo Geo games.

Sega Saturn and Playststion didn't come out until 1995. And in the 1995, SNK had their own console called the "Neo Geo CD". SNK didn't port any of their Metal Slug games to any of their competitors' systems...until it became clear the Neo Geo CD was a failure. Neo Geo CD sales weren't good like SNK had hoped. So the first port of Metal Slug didn't come to Saturn or Playstation until 2 years later in 1997. It was done reluctantly.

The Playstation port and Saturn ports weren't as good. They were stripped down versions of Metal Slug. SNK had to remove things, and lower the quality of the game. The ports were missing animations, and some several other effects because those the Playstation and Saturn couldn't handle Metal Slug at original quality. Unlike the Neo Geo CD which could.

>>10245708
People here definitely take it way too fucking far, but I guess it depends on what part of the game is being changed on a case by case basis.

I can't imagine something like emulating or not having scanlines really takes away from a core experience. But something like save states or even playing a remake possessing QoL can seriously affect the core balance of a game, better or worse. Let's say there's two people
>person 1 plays game in its original state, has a decent challenge but ultimately beats the game
>person 2 plays the game with cheats on, save states, blows through it easily
Now, either person could have any amount of fun playing either way, but they are fundamentally playing very differently. If Person 1 and 2 got into a conversation about the game, Person 2 would have to acknowledge the effect of the variables they were playing with. Otherwise Person 1 and 2 would be talking about basically two different games.

Like fuck, could you imagine Person 2 being like
>lmao this game isn't hard bro you guys are just bad
>but you played with cheats on

>>10246282
Agreed. Save states, hp cheats, autofire, infinite ammo, etc. These cheats definitely affect the balance of the game. Especially retro games. I don't hate people who use them, but some people do need to realize that these cheats changes the dynamics of the game.

>>10246292
I grew up playing games that gave you cheats as a rewrad for finishing the game/getting all collectibles so that's how I view them, just a thing to mess around with after a normal playthrough

We don't always know the intent of the game designers. If they've mentioned the ideal way to experience a game, then it's best to go with that. If they haven't, who knows what they think about it.

Even though 4chan ain't what it used to be, most people don't know what 4chan is, and some people have heard of it, but don't know what it's actually like. And /vr/ isn't as popular as other boards. Therefore, what we talk about on /vr/ is niche.

We are all autists.

And when you're "autistic" about something, you're passionate about it, and when you're passionate, you're a zealot. So anything someone does outside of what you consider good or right seems pretty much immoral to you. It's just human nature.

it's like reading a machine-translated book written in a foreign language. yeah, you can sort of understand it, but not really. kind of like how OP doesn't understand he's an faggot

>>10246302
Exactly. They were rewards for a job well done.

I always raise an eye to anons here getting upset that they can't play with autofire cheats, infinite credits, save states, etc. It's like they are demanding the game change everything just for them.

>>10245886
nice boxes faggot

>>10246221
this removes the soul

Why would I give a shit about authenticity or how the devs intended it when I pirate every single game I play anyways? Niggers tongue my anus.

>>10246221
>>10246224
What games?

>>10246413
Were talking about gameplay. Not how you acquired your game. You think anyone cares that you bought Xbox 360 from a second hand fleamarket?

>>10246413
>Why bother playing the games I'm hoarding?
Why indeed.

>>10245708
You're like the guy who buys an HD Walkman and fills it up with FLAC files and then listens to it on a pair of earbuds that he got at the dollar store. Of course people are going to call you a retard.

>>10246421
>>10246425
You two have no reading comprehension.

>>10246139
60 IQ ESL moment.

>>10246497
That's nice. You're better off downloading walkthrough videos.

>>10246565
Speak for yourself.

>>10246572
No one mentioned artificial difficulty anywhere in this thread. We are talking about save states as a practice tool for a game. Of course you don't use them for an actual clear.

>>10246579
nooooo! ur meant to replay the easy parts over and over before you get to practise the hard parts!

>>10246579
Ultimately you're the 60IQ retard if you can't make the obvious connection between the usage of save states and the worthless, usual accusations of "artificial difficulty". Choose your favourite variation of "get good", but just get good or change hobbies already.

>>10246579
I'm the one mentioning so-called "artificial difficulty" in relation to practicing with save states. Do you not know how conversations work?

Games have lose states, once you start avoiding them you're not playing the game anymore. I'm going to start calling save-state practice "artificial skill".

>>10246587
>>10246589
Neither of you have any clears, nor do you have any idea what you're talking about. Anything you type invalid and irrelevant if you don't have any clears as you lack the context and experience to even hold an opinion on this matter.

>>10246620
What am I getting for Christmas, Santa?

Seriously though Harmful Park is easy as fuck to clear, what an incredibly low bar to set. Methinks you're posturing over your own projection

>>10246587
>>10246589
Superplayers back in the day were constantly competing with each other and pushing each other to improve, while also recording and sharing huge amounts of strategies and game data in a collaborative effort in literal notebookw at the arcades. Vast majority of this is lost even today, and the western community will discover some tiny tidbit that superplayers have known for decades. That alone was already a much, much larger advantage than any save state could offer a player today.

But even as soon as save states became a thing, they were used by superplayers to practice, or they might use a port with practice options. They would lab routes at home in emulation then do full runs and attempts in the arcade.

It's all about efficienct practice. It's like saying you can't practice a solo without doing the song in full. Or can't go to the driving range, and can only play full games. No one wants to play through 25 minutes of gameplay just for 10 seconds of practice, and with games that had rank systems, RNG, or extreme power loss, it might not even be that. The only reason players at the time didn't use save states is because they didn't exist, so they turned to the next best alternative. But as soon as they became available, players use them for practice.

Of course brute forcing your way through with save states and calling it a clear is totally different; full runs are always done without save states or other practice tools

>>10246627
>I *might* have clears, you can't know that!
If this is your response, then you are 100% a shitter with no clears. Get lost.

Every console gamer agrees that savestates are lame, only arcade trannies think it's ok to practice with them so they can get their precious 1cc

>>10246214
Top is better on a CRT, the technology the devs used when making the game.

>>10246652
Reset buttons are the original save state.

Consider playing games where you enjoy the whole playcycle and, in turn, get skilled while enjoying a bunch of gameplay. You don't need to obsessively perfect one solo lead guitar part to be good at playing lead guitar competently, most people are impressed enough by competent rhythm players; Playing music for any audience is enough of a rush in of itself anyhow. Going to a golf course and going to a golf range are inherently different activities; You don't go to a golf course only to tee off on one hole, repeatedly carting the ball back to the tee, until you land a hole in one. You'd get clubs bent over your head.

If you want to artificially boost your skill, all the power to you. I just believe you'd have more fun playing games where the entire playcycle is enjoyable. Ever play Robotron? Defender? Tempest? Or do you need a winstate before you'd ever consider playing a game? Ever consider the implications of that preference?

Ever ask why you compare yourself to professionals when you're playing games?

>Ignoring an easy clear to spare your ego
I'm not trying to invalidate achievements (unlike yourself); Just in case you've ever wondered why nobody but yourself and those ignorant to your artificial skill building are impressed by your clears, all athletes lose public trust and respect when everyone finds out they've been doping. Like sure, you did it, but it's suddenly obvious why you're able to.

I prefer cane sugar over refined, thanks.

>>10246342
lol. Yeah, you're totally fitting in.

>>10246718
Save states and practice options have been around for decades, no one is assuming that you are ignoring practice options in front of you, only that the actual clear is not cheated. Juicing is an idiotic comparison; that's not a tool for practice that they only do for practice, that is modifying your hormones to achieve a clear advantage in competition.

All the games you named are early 80s infinitely looping incremental type games that hardly even benefit from savestates. Savestates are more for routing and strategy labbing a specific section or time saving and avoiding frontheavy practice in a game with high power loss. Copymonkeying actually removes a lot of the advantage of save stating, but I'd much rather use my own strats through save stating than just copy a superplay, as the former makes you a better player in the longrun who better understands how to approach a game (and helps create better strategies)

>>10246282
Pretty much yeah, and I imagine this is why this is so controversial on a board about discussing video games. Someone breezing through the game with save states is going to have a fundamentally different view of the game than somebody who played legit and actually got good at the mechanics, and these two people talking about the game are going to butt heads over it because again, it's like they played two different games.

I wish I was that stool so bad bros :/

>>10246718
The problem is that there are quite a few games that are meant to be about obsessive perfection. Something like the Mega Man Zero series does have a difference between someone who savestate practices and someone who does it without that, but ultimately, both are far closer to what is intended than just playing, because those games actively punish you for trying to "just enjoy the gameplay": you want to use the health upgrades you had to find? Penalty. You died? Penalty. You didn't kill enough enemies? Penalty. Got hit too much or wasn't fast enough? Penalty. There is no "just playing" the game here, to see certain boss attacks or in case of some of the games, even get most of the weapons, you need to get a good rank, and to get a good rank, you need to know each stage really well, and to get the best rank, you need to focus on being even better than that. Similarly to that, there are many other games that were done like this: with the idea that everything should be possible, but that only the best players will truly understand the game. I do not like savestate practicing, but I think a good example I can bring is, what is better: someone who has savestate practiced to the point where he can beat Castlevania without subweapons and without taking a hit, or someone who has never savestate practiced, but uses Holy Water on every boss that it works on and dies a lot. I think both are fine, but from my experience someone like the former would have more to say about how to beat a section efficiently or where you might just need luck no matter what due to learning every segment of the game to the very bone. I don't get why OP is so antagonistic though, even with all that said I think it's fair that what is "best way to play" to one is "worst way to play" to another and provoking people won't change their minds.

>>10245708
Gotta show respect to the girl. She is doing it hardcore. No cheats, no hacks, no autofire, no infinite hp. Just pure arcade cabinet goodness

>>10246367
Nah. It unfilters the soul.

>>10246494
Nah. Kind of the opposite really.

>>10246695
No, it really isn't.

Devs made the game on an 800p monitor that doesn't have any of that fuzz effect bullshit you faggots cling to. High resolution totally negates the pixel blurring.

Their art was then gimped by a shitty console.

>>10246695
Ds was LCD
Cope

>>10246739
>everybody does it, c'mon... don't you wanna play better?
Seems fitting to me
>[juicing] is not a tool for practice that they only do for practice
They do it to artificially boost their practicing ability. Much like artificially boosting your practicing ability with savestating.

>All the games you named are early 80s infinitely looping incremental type games that hardly even benefit from savestates.
That was intentional. You don't need savestates when you enjoy the entire playcycle.

>Savestates are more for routing etc...
Yeah yeah, games with winstates. Way to ignore the point being made.

>I'd much rather use my own strats [...] than just copy a superplay, as [it] makes you a better player in the longrun who better understands how to approach a game (and helps create better strategies)
You are this close to getting the point. Exchange using savestates with full playcycles and you got it. You've effectively agreed tacitly... But you'll never admit that so yeah, conversation over I suppose. The only thing that matters is winning apparently, which is why you'll ignore points by reasserting yours.

>>10246769
What it comes down to is engagement. You're not going to learn anything about a game if you don't care about the game. If you don't enjoy losing in Ghouls and Ghosts then you'll have no desire to overcome it. You'll balk then play something you are engaged in learning instead.

If you beat games by cheesing them, you're effectively not engaged with the gameplay and are just playing for the novelty. Again, may as well play something you actually enjoy losing at. Losing is all a part of playing and wouldn't be avoided if you truly enjoy the playcycle.

Agree to disagree. So many people on here play retro for fake social accreditation. A waste, really.

>>10246797
Different anon here but I declare this post 100% correct. He cut through all the BS and got straight to the point.

>>10246780
it also had a tiny screen, also both look like shit

>>10246652
Noone's talking about "superplayers", a term I have never heard of before, we're talking about going through a game for the first time.

I am very sympathetic to peope wanting to get through more. The modern world today isn't "as developers intended", there's a lot more content to get through. But to refuse to acknowledge that it's a very different thing is just ridiculous.

In life you get one shot at something and then a long time to think about how good or bad it went, and it might be a long time before you get another chance. You don't get to rewind and do the same thing over and over until you get it right. Hopefully even the slow learners get it now.

>>10246718
Doping would be more like a cheat that makes the player character stronger or more durable.

>>10245716
people tell me thus but I try and it’s less fun it’s just mind melding brain busting mental gymnastics to support the status quo

How much of a fag am I?

>unmodded original hardware
>aftermarket wireless controllers
>original carts/disks
>CRT
>retrovishun cables
>optimize video performance
>asking this question

Only have a PS2 and SNES hooked up currently but will probably get a N64 next.

>>10245708
>autofire
lel back in the day we call anyone who doesn't own a turbo controller a loser
good times

>>10246797
>If you don't enjoy losing in Ghouls and Ghosts then you'll have no desire to overcome it.
Fair enough.

>>10246923
Zero percent
Unless your playing faggy games fag

>>10246939
I don't remember much dick swinging in this regard
My friends and I had at least ONE turbo pad each usually different brands
More of a "cool color" or "nice" type thing
None of use used turbo functions against each other as it was seen as dishonorable

>>10246923
Wireless controllers and keeping playing original carts instead of saving space with a flashcart is a little faggy, but otherwise based. Not sure what you mean by "optimize video performance" when you say you use "unmodded original hardware".

>>10247009
Using original hardware is the optimized video performance
Instead of using faggy/laggy emu or signal conversion daisy chain crap
I'm nta but I'm assuming that's what he means

For shit like intellivision it becomes an annoyance as for whatever reason both of my systems don't work with either of my rf modulators so I have to use a different TV when the rare urge to play frogbog/snafu hits

for original hardware, i'd love to see hardware fags take a blind test
>One monitor, one controller
>A switch that goes from an emulated game to one running on original hardware, both in a hidden box
>they can switch back and forth as much as they want
>let the hardware fags guess which is which
i'd expect a complete coinflip result

for arcade/pinball collectors, i get it, there's a definite universal appeal. but there's almost 0 practical reason to care about original hardware when roms are preserved forever and emulation for most systems is perfect or near enough.

>>10247043
>Perfect enough
For you maybe
For the discerning gentleman
Real hardware is the only true solution

>>10247048
and how would you do in a blind test, discerning faggot?

>>10247043
>Coke vs Pepsi
What kind of mongoloid wouldn't be able to tell the difference immediately?
When they ask me if Pepsi is okay at restaurants I say no and order unsweet iced tea instead
Disgusting.


Anyways you really think people who have original hardware don't fiddle with emulation and see the differences for themselves?
You think we don't own computers?

>>10247049
You think the real hardware goes for astronomical prices for no reason?
For coomlectins sake?
Arcade boards especially are emulated with large number of inaccuracies
Both in sound/graphics & Even sometimes gameplay

Gals panic 2= literally unplayable garbage on mame
I get that there aren't many examples and you do have a point
But if emulation was 100% perfect no one would care about the original hardware anymore

>>10246864
Doping, much like save states, artificially boost progression and development.

>>10246797
>everybody does it, c'mon... don't you wanna play better?
Yes, it's the accepted norm. Nobody cares about coomlector shitters who game over on stage 3. All serious players use save states for practice and know that save state practice is fair game.
>They do it to artificially boost their practicing ability. Much like artificially boosting your practicing ability with savestating.
They juice for competition too dumbass. The issue with juicing is it's illegal, dangerous, and the rules and norms dictate that it's not allowed. Not analogous at all.
>That was intentional. You don't need savestates when you enjoy the entire playcycle.
Yes, it was an intentionally disingenuous example where save states serve little purpose.
>You are this close to getting the point. Exchange using savestates with full playcycles and you got it. You've effectively agreed tacitly... But you'll never admit that so yeah, conversation over I suppose.
No, you fucking dumbass, you still don't get it. I am not playing 30 fucking minutes to practice a 10 second section you fucking imbecile. No one wants to do this, ans it's not fun. The only other alternative is copymonkeying, which is also not fun. A full run does nothing to help with highly specific routing minutia in one small segment of a 30 minute game. The issue is you are a clueless shitter dumbass who doesn't even understand what I'm talking about and why save states are used, and your terrible fucking examples show it.

>>10246741
People definitely understand it. It's just that we're not kids trying to make one 30 minute game we got for Christmas stretch for the entire fucking year.

Save states give you all core gameplay and skip the padding of repeatedly treading through easy sections, and also avoid heavily frontloaded practice. It's like instead of grinding for hundreds of hours in a MMO to unlock the next content, you just use microtransactions to avoid the padding timesink. Both are bad design.

>>10247059
there are exceptions, yes. Arcade especially. I'm talking mostly about consoles, and arcade games which are actually perfect. But I'll bite on Gals Panic 2. Let's say you find a Gals Panic 2 cab you want to own, but the board is irreparable and there are 0 replacements available in the world. Do you buy the board and use the best emulation available hooked up to the controls and monitor? Or just forgo your dream of owning a working Gals Panic 2 cabinet?

>>10247089
buy the cabinet*, not board.

>>10247065
>Nobody cares about
see that's why you savescumming shmupfags are the worst, you just want to 1cc the game as fast as possible to brag about it onlin
If you really loved these games you would play without savestates so you could slowly improve and play them for years to come instead of autistically speedrunning it in 2 weeks

>>10245708
>removing slowdown, removing sprite flicker, enabling autofire, using a different input device
There's nothing wrong with cheating in single player so long as you don't tell lies about beating the game.

>>10247095
>>10247089
i have the board and i believe it was only sold as an upgrade kit so i cant answer your question kek

fpga jrok boards exist for many golden era titles which of course is acceptable
playing the fucked up wrong aspect ratio/gamespeed pandora version is not

emulation is usually atleast decent-tier
its the shit-tier emulation i have qualms with

misterfpga+jamma adapter = acceptable
raspberry pi = not doing it for me
i have a 3b+ board i got precovid and it shits itself running dodonpachi
conversion boards are another "acceptable" solution although its kinda fucked up to poach/destroy working boards to change them to something else
its like buying a rare cassette album and putting your own bands music over it

>>10245708
If you can't enjoy the game without making it easier for yourself - which is always, invariably, what this discussion boils down to - then you do not deserve to sit at the proverbial Big Kids' Table like your worthless opinion matters.

People who piss and shit themselves about how using cheats in retro games is akshually okay, are the exact type who make the erroneous claim that all arcade games are bullshit, since you can only win if you credit feed. They also are the types to mire themselves in the muck that is retro paraphernalia and discourse, when gaming is largely an individualist hobby and most social elements for it are contrived.

But that's getting too high level, the point is that you're just a fucking bitch dude.

>>10247065
This practicing 30 minutes to get to a 10 second section shit only applies to arcade shmups though. If you're playing Super Castlevania IV with savestates you're pathetic

>>10247169
>If you can't enjoy the game
i cant enjoy anything anymore
i havent enjoyed anything in decades
either im v dopamine fried and need to fast/detox
or the depression is finally swallowing me
i never smile anymore, i never laugh
i speak to no one
i fail the vibecheck
because i have NO vibe
i feel already dead

>>10247105
>>10247207
The difference is players vs. coomlector fags. Coomlector fags only want to act like they are some little kid in the 80s and 90s that needs to stretch out their Christmas game for 12 months. Whereas players actually enjoy playing and mastering retro games and enjoy no death and challenge runs, and will bypass the tedious padding (and the other similar players they interact and compete with do the same)

Coomlectors are geriatric shitters and most overestimate how big of a difference save states make and vast majority couldn't even get a halfway decent clear even with save state practice

>>10247065
Much like how many serious e-sports members dose stimulants like amphetamines before playing.
>norms dictate that it's not allowed. Not analogous at all.
Bet you wish you hadn't said that now...

So you tacitly agree doping gives an advantage but it's okay for practice because "everyone does it". Have you ever experienced save state withdrawal? Feel free to lie.

>intentionally disingenuous example
Do yourself a favor by asking yourself what point I was trying to make before responding to it. If you enjoy a game, you will naturally get better at it and won't worry about how long it's taking to improve. You'll enjoy the process every step of the way.

Hundreds upon thousands of kids picked up skateboarding due to THPS. In reality, skating is a painful, repetitive, and exhausting sport resulting in most dropping it after the novelty died thus losing engagement. Rodney Mullen fundamentally enjoyed the experience of skateboarding and learned far more about its mechanics as a result, and then he fucking invented the kickflip.

Engagement drives learning. If you're only engaged because of novelty, you will quit when the novelty dries up. Learning to complete novelties through save states only to lack engagement afterward is nothing short of sisyphean masochism.

>The only other alternative is copymonkeying, which is also not fun.
You're forgetting the one alternative I've been saying this whole time: Play games you like playing.

You seem embittered by the fact I fundamentally don't respect your method. That's because you seem tortured by the mere act of replaying sections you know how to beat as if you aren't engaged by the act of playing until the novelty of new areas finally arrive.

Watch walkthroughs, you'll save even more time than save stating or "copymonkeying". That, or learn to enjoy losing along with everything that comes with it.

>>10247253
I exclusively play console games on real hardware, I have cleared Castlevania Bloodlines, Revenge of Shinobi and Thunder Force IV no death without savestate practice. I don't speedrun, I don't stream, I don't have a community I practice or compete with and I don't want one. Your whole argument is limited to this small view of reality that only applies to arcade games

developer cults

When it comes to Gameboy emulation there is such a thing as too authentic. I can't stand the screen of anything that comes before the Gameboy Advance SP with there either being no backlight or being sickly green. The 3ds is so good in comparisilon I just can't go back.

>>10247272
Arcade games with winstates, at that. A single-minded focus on winning. The "if you don't have clears then stop making fun of me" mentality.

He'll whip out his virtual trophy wall any post now.

>>10247285
I'll admit, once I did the start+select for GB on 3DS I was hard pressed to go back. I had my days in the sun, I'm alright with a playable approximation. GB emulation is solid anyhow.

>>10247253
this is it
the most retarded post ever posted


anon when people kept posting "git gud lel"
it was just a meme you dont have to be like this
you can still be normal
you dont have to "beat" the game to enjoy it
you can play for, dare i say it, FUN
its not too late to change

>>10247089
>I'm talking mostly about consoles, and arcade games which are actually perfect
N64 and PS2 emulation is absolute dogshit. Frankly, I find emulation faggots who insist that there are zero downsides to emulation and it's superior and perfect in every single conceivable way far more obnoxious than any original hardware snobbery.

>>10247368
ps2 no good or what?
i played it on my i910900k without a GPU kek
seemed ok but i hate the look of non-crt for that era of gaming

i also maybe played "easier on the emu" type titles
silent hill 3, haunting ground etc

>>10247374

>>10247368
>n64 emulation
the missing fog, anti-aliasing, blur ruins it for me even if it runs at "full speed"
it just looks wrong, very wrong.
misterfpga core is already almost done for n64 & i might not install it if it doesnt support analog video output

>>10245708
well remakes are usually pretty shit. sometimes game-destroyingly shit. but mostly just kinda shit
so the sentiment comes from the fact that its a total toss-up, with the odds slightly out of your favor, that the remake is good or even reflective of the older game its based on

then theres the whole hardware issue. in the past most emulation was pretty shit, and thus a pretty shit way to play anything other than JRPGs or somethin that doesnt require timing. not a big deal for many older systems at this point as at the very least any latency will be mostly static, and not variable
that leads into the great screen debate but desu idc about that that much. unless you got your mug jammed up against some awful widescreen monitor with the 4:3 gfx stretched to 16:9 and trilinear filtering enabled
thats pretty egregious, and will annihilate any of the original art design, but i also dont think adding dumb fake scanlines that just make the screen kinda dark is any better

finally theres controls. usually modern controllers have enough buttons to cover things but theres examples of things that would emulate terribly on almost any controller
the one coming to mind is defender. the arcade controls for that game are a mindfuck, but rather intuitive once youre used to it. but mapping it to a controller logically? good luck
another example would be any sort of old trackball or old paddle game. modern analog sticks dont have the kind of granularity, sensitivity, or range to do those games right

tl;dr
idk man its just people wanting others to get a similar exp out of one of their old fav games. wouldnt take it too personnel kid

>>10247375
basically it runs fine on modern hardware
im assuming you dont need a godtier pc to run ps2 anon
tards on youtube are showing it "running" on chink android devices

>>10247375
>>10247374
>>10247383
to clarify when i said "no gpu"
it was during the faggy era when bitcoin/etherium miners were scalping all the cards so it was basically impossible to get a graphics card
i refused to pay the markup and stuck to my guns kek
didnt upgrade to a raytrace card until last year

>>10247382
what is wrong with 2600 defenders controls?
i have the 1up pcb with defender and it has the og control scheme
i fucking suck balls at defender like that kek

>>10246998
I play mostly RPGs.

>>10247395
>what is wrong with 2600 defenders controls?
it works
bob did a really good job porting it. you can tell he really mustve loved defender and was determined to do the fucking impossible

but i mean the actual williams cabinets. which as you pointed out, are total quartermunchers
idk ime trying to git gud with a controller that doesnt have separate x and y axis controls is just not gonna happen. its too messy. if you watch really good players theyll do all kindsa slick shit flying in reverse to blast whole swarms before they can even spread out etc
its honestly my favorite arcade game even to just watch. watching really high-level play is nuts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrkx6vuiMrE

like most of eugene jarvis old games, theres a complexity to it that just doesnt always translate 1:1 on other hardware, since it was designed AROUND the hardware

>>10247264
>So you tacitly agree doping gives an advantage but it's okay for practice because "everyone does it".
Nice job ignoring the part right fucking before that.
"The issue with juicing is it's illegal, dangerous, and the rules and norms dictate that it's not allowed."
If juicing wasn't illegal, wasn't harmful, was the norm, and people were transparent about it, then it would be fine. However, these are NOT true, which is why it's not analogous to using save states you fucking shitbrain moron.

As for the rest of your rambling schizo rant. Many people can find a game fun, and still not enjoy tediously retreading through the same areas over and over again just to practice a short section, because the game with 20 minutes of content was meant to last little timmy for 12 months until next Christmas.

>>10247272
And you've been playing for years and all you have is three pathetic shitclears. You can't hide behind "muh no savestates" when you've been playing so long and are still so bad at the games. Save state players use save states to save time and tedium from grinding easy sections, but even with no save states, a competent player could do all three of those combined in under a month of play (few hours a day max).

This is what I meant when I said you geriatric coomlector shitters hide behind your excuse of "muh no save state practice". You are just a shit player and low IQ, save states or not.

>>10247324
It's almost like some people can find actually playing and mastering the game fun, as opposed to tediously retreading the same easy section just to get 10 seconds to practice a difficult section.

Retro games are fun, but primarily after you've learned the game and are refining your play and going for no death or some other challenge run. Just sitting there retreading the same section over and over just because that's how little timmy did it almost 40 years again is just plain idiotic.

>>10245708
>Why are so many retro gaming fans like this?

You want to know why? I'll tell you why. The truth is nobody actually gives a fucking shit what retarded crap you do. Nobody cares abou your save states, your filters, your emulation or whatever else your retarded ass wants to do. The reason you get called out on this shit however, is because you're a moron. Your retarded faggot ass wants to go online, announce to the world all the stupid crap you do and tell everyone how you play the game without so much as a hello. You go to a room full of enthusiasts, purists and people who like shit the classic way, you want to tell them all the shit you do, and then you want to get praised for it. You want to get everyone to tell you how legit awesome you are and when you don't you cry about how it's everyone else is the problem. Well it's not. It's you. And you're a retard. Do whatever the fuck you want but shut the hell up about it. Nobody would have known what a rotten little faggot ass cheater you were and nobody would have cared until you shouted it from the mountain top. Games are meant to played and enjoyed and if this is how you do it more power to you but you're not gonna fit in with the main audience if all you want is a cookie when you say you fudged it. Shut up. Fuck you.

>>10247509
>You go to a room full of enthusiasts, purists and people who like shit the classic way,
Coomlectors don't actually play or possess any skill at these games and you damn well know that. Now fuck off shitter.

>>10245717
>why not just play something better?
why not just play what you want? retro, new, vintage, whatever. yeah thats right, stfu moron and let the real men take it from here.

>>10247508
I addressed it in the first sentence. Stimulant usage is widespread in the e-sports sphere, which is doping. As you apparently don't recall, I said
>Do yourself a favor by asking yourself what point I was trying to make before responding to it
This is also what I meant by saying
>The only thing that matters is winning apparently, which is why you'll ignore points against your stance by reasserting it

If it's tedious to replay, you never actually enjoyed the game. You aren't engaging in it, because you enjoy it for its novelty. Again,
>Engagement drives learning. If you're only engaged because of novelty, you will quit when the novelty dries up. Learning to complete novelties through save states only to lack engagement afterward is nothing short of sisyphean masochism.
We get it. You're a true master because you can't stand playing games you've dedicated countless hours into. You have to skip parts because of how much you like playing it. You're a super duper player.

>>10247535
checkmated his ass

>>10247535
>>10247567
Well done repeating his point?

guys this dude >>10247508 is the autist from /shmupg/ on /vg/ let's stop giving him attention, all he knows is to call people shitters and brag about clearing shmups he doesn't like for online hardcore points
I don't like to judge people like this because I'm kinda on the spectrum myself, but enough is enough

>>10246723
What part of that makes it seem like I'm trying to fit in?

>>10247672
But he's clearly lonely :(

>>10247508
Where did I say those are the only three games I've ever cleared, and how many years I spent doing it? You're just making shit up to justify cheating. Looking forward to your Revenge of Shinobi no death clear, you said 1 month right?

>>10246123

>>10247009
I just mean that I dick around with video settings, recap shit, and just try to optimize everything with the full might of my autism. I even have a pair of monitor speakers connected to my TV so that I can hear as accurate as possible.

>>10247693
>Where did I say those are the only three games I've ever cleared, and how many years I spent doing it?
Cry more about getting called out shitter

>your Revenge of Shinobi no death clear, you said 1 month right?
I could do it in under a week easy. Now when I would actually get around to that, no clue, quite a while as it is not a priority any time soon.

>>10246415
One of them is Rule of Rose.

>>10246221
She cute.

>>10247043
Absolutely. None of these fucking shitters can detect 1 millisecond input lag, they just make excuses for being shit at games and then wish need excuses to justify wasting money on plastic.

I'm a 33 year old millennial. Never met a gen Xer who could take me in ANY genre.

>>10247043
>>10247936
Why are you replying to yourself?

>>10247525
kek

i mean
i CAN once cc/no damage run certain maps on my espgaluda & dodonpachi daioujou pcbs
a couple of my favorite metal slug maps too
time pilot 1984 also
but i dont save reset millions of times to "practice"
i just laugh it off and say 'oh well next time' and keep playing to the end credits
i play for the gameplay, ost, and to unwind

im not sure what your point of these types of threads are
you arent better than anyone (even the "coomlecterz"
we all die in the end brother
youll figure it out someday
cheers brother

>>10247936
why pay for the correct upscale then?
why not just use the shitty built in one on my flatpanel tv kek
why even have crts?
just recycle them right?
the "lag" is not only noticeable
its fucking gamebreaking
even the fag normies on linus tech tips "notice the lag"
anon of all places to project about shit like this
the /vr/ forum filled with "i buy 75$ scart cables" is NOT thr place

ash to ash, dust to dust
this longing to feel like your better than your fellow man and turn your nose up
it is sinful brother
change your ways

>>10247525
Plenty of people collect and play their games. It seems to me the only way you feel better about yourself is to make up a story about being better than "coomlectors" at games. If you are unable to feel happiness playing games without smugly comparing yourself to others online, then you shouldn't even play the game anymore. It's not enjoyment for you. It's just you wallowing in misery. Find a new hobby.

>>10247993
I don't pay for any of that gay shit.

I emulate.

>>10247936
>they just make excuses for being shit at games
>>10247880
>Now when I would actually get around to that, no clue, quite a while as it is not a priority any time soon.

Translation: Hypocrite

>>10248062
based

>>10248172
The second time you've replied to 2 different people you dumb fucking nigger.

>>10247880
You have one month. I bet you couldn't do it even WITH save states lmao

>>10248186
>they just make [savestate] excuses for being shit at games
Yup, hypocrite

After reading through this thread, it seems like one specific anon doesn't play for enjoyment. He plays to 1CC clear a game by any means necessary. With those means (autofire, save states, etc) being questionable. That in and off itself isn't a problem. No one cares how a person plays. The real issue is that this same anon seems to insult others who don't follow or play by his highly specific "rules".

Anon. This board isn't a 1CC board or a shmup forum that you hang out in. This is a general retro board that everyone from different backgrounds visits. Why are you trying to argue with people who don't share your same values? Are you so desperate for human interaction that you just unwinnable arguments? It makes no sense and will only bring you failure, wasted time, and misery.

>>10248189
You are talking about a babby console game with a massive HP bar and OP magic. That's like a 3 on the shmup difficulty list, and I have done things in the 40s. But I have no interest in playing Shinobi any time soon.

>>10248327
Please, for the love of God, do something better with your time. You will not convince anyone here by bragging about clears or calling them shitters and you will not achieve anything by doing that. If you legitimately enjoy what you're doing, go and play those games your own way or do something else. Obsessively spamming /vr/ about 1cc's or autofire will only mean that most will want you gone, regardless if they agree with you or not. I don't think that there's actually that many people that disagree with some things auster says, for example, but nobody welcomes him because he's been utterly obnoxious about it. Don't be like auster.

>>10248327
I await your clear

>>10245708
>Why are so many retro gaming "fans" like this
Because they're zoomers, and zoomers are incapable of thinking or acting in any context that isn't based on the presupposition of authority. The reason anyone does anything is because someone told them to, in their minds. They have no personal agency or ability to think critically, analyze, decide. It's all authority. So when they're told one way to do a thing, and they see someone else do something different, it activates the monkey rage switch in their atrophied brains.

>>10248327
>It's so easy I won't do it
More like can't

>>10247936
>I'm a 33 year old millennial. Never met a gen Xer who could take me in ANY genre.
Then you haven't play games in a serious setting.

>be 90s hardcore player
>use a VCR to record difficult sections of games
>watch playback to memorize stage and boss attack patterns
>git gud and win game
Now comes the part where you claim this never happened.

>>10247680
All of it
If you're asking for tips on how to fit in, you'll need to go back where you belong and ask there. I have no interest in helping cancer infiltrate this board.

>>10249397
>plausible anecdote on 4chan
With the premise granted, anything is possible. I could make a recording like that today, claim it was made thirty years ago, and there'd be no way to prove otherwise.

That said, I'd like someone to post that photo of the bedroom supergun with the wired VCR remote and paper notes. Comfy

Picture of people who complain about resolution

>>10248327
>Mah Shmup difficulty list

>>10249446
why are you so bothered about whether i'm fitting in or not?

admit to yourself you're an autist.

it seems to me you're making my point for me. my original point had to do with when you're autistic about something, you get territorial (become a zealot). that's what you're doing.

rather than challenge anything that was said, you did nothing. there's no argument here. there's no discussion.

the thread has to do with people who can't help but tell others they're playing a game wrong. whether someone is playing a game in a way that goes against what was intended isn't necessarily objective. unless there's information to the contrary asserting your way of enjoying a game is the right way is just an opinion, regardless of how sternly you say it.

don't bother replying.

>>10249446
Yeah I'm gonna agree with above anon and say you were missing the point you initially replied to. People will die for their preferences here because they believe it's core regardless of the fact this is all niche anyways. That's why I think it's so important to play games as presented rather than modifying the experience for your own sake, but again that's all just preference. You can play games with a joystick up your ass for all I know or care.

>>10249386
Nah. You guys just aren't as good at games. But go on keep blaming input lag, or a gamepad having the thumbstick in a slightly different spot, and all that other bitch cope.

>>10245708
>enabling autofire
Cheating. Also savestates are blatant cheating.
I don't give a shit how you play (or rather, "experience") games, just don't go around saying you have beaten a game when you cheated.

>>10245725
>>10245830
>>10248892
these are truth
replying because they won't get any otherwise
also autism

>>10249610
And why is that?

I use save states constantly.
I played most of this shit decades ago. These days. I will just play it however I want.
Also I will never again use a CRT as I don’t miss that low res heavy ass piece of shit.
For me it’s 4k OLED. With no filters. Lookin sharp.

>>10249630
Bookmarks are for books. Read a book

>>10249630
>I use save states constantly.
You didn't beat the game.
Not playing the game by the rules indicates you don't really like it or don't want to play it right now.
They're almost always unnecessary to see the rest of the game because everything has a full play through on youtube.

>>10245716
maybe game designers like playing their own games on emulators on modern widescreen tv???

All the shitters ITT should be required to post clears before giving their opinion. If you don't have any impressive clears, then your opinion is not relevant and not wanted. You lack the context and experience to add any value to the discussion.

>>10249875
you forgot to post yours.

>>10249875
Yeah, post your YouTube channel full of fake social accreditation. Faggot

>>10249875
You first.
Not a list.
Not a collection of emulator videos.
1cc's with your full body visible the whole time played on original PCBs on an original cabinet.

>>10249478
>w-w-why am i so bothered about whether i'm fitting in or not?
Because it makes you feel like your meaningless existence is worth something?
>>10249495
>Yeah I'm gonna simpsamefag because I'm adicted to (You)s
Whatever floats your boat chucklefuck

>>10249778
if game designers don't like the games they released then that's on them. just dont make it my problem by forcing your preferences on me

>>10250307
Lmao the fucking cope. Meanwhile you have zero clears. Shut the fuck up shitter and know your place.

>>10249875
First. Show us your clears on arcade PCBs. You are only allowed a supergun or arcade cabinet. No emulators. You lack the authority to tell or demand anything. Why should we believe anything you say. You could just be copy pasting info you found elsewhere.

>>10250602
>have zero clears
>reduced to coping about how a clear doesn't count unless it's on a cabinet with a $2000 PCB to feel better about it
>still have zero clears
Lol, lmao even. You can't even post a list of clears because we would see right through your blatant lies shitter.

>>10250607
Anyone can post info from a random shmup forum

>>10250613
But they won't even do that because they would get called out and exposed as a clueless shitter. Just like you are a dumb shitter with endless excuses.

It's simple: if you have no clears, then get the fuck out of the thread shitter. You have nothing to add and stick out like a sore thumb to any experienced player

>>10250623
Until you post your own clears on original hardware, then you are no better than anyone here.

Video games as a "hobby" is pretty damn cheap for an adult hobby, which makes it a ripe for autists, angry wagies, and third worlders to infest. Coincidentally, that's the core demographic of shitposters. Add in the nostalgia of retro games (where the experience can be just as if not more important than the game itself), and wa la, you have shitposters hearing voices in their heads that a screenshot of an upscaled PS2 game is basically a giant FUCK YOU to their last remaining passion in life. Play more games, visit this place less.

>>10250736
Why do you keep samefagging the thread? We know you aren't a new poster. The IP counter didn't go up when you posted.

>>10250684
Until you post your own clears hopping up and down on one foot, then you are no better than anyone here.

Keep coping stupid no clears shitter

>>10250806
Weak response.

2/10

>>10250684
Superplayers play with emulation all the time, and they are surrounded by a much larger and better arcade scene than the west.

You are a braindead shitter with no clears. You will always be a braindead shitter with no clears. You don't make the rules here. You aren't even in the discussion.

>>10250908
You aren't a superplayer". You aren't Japanese, and will never be Japanese. You haven't even visited Japan as a tourist. You don't speak for that community. Unless you show us your Japanese ID, then you are nobody.

>>10250487
>Everyone that disagrees with me is one person
Feel better soon!

>>10250989
Superplayers make the rules and set the norms, deal with it shitter. Autofire and save state practice are both the norm.

>>10250989
The person you are replying to is Mariax, a literal western superplayer.

Dumb shitter

>>10251024
Prove it. Take a picture of yourself holding a piece of paper with a timestamp and post it. Then I will believe you.

Go back to facebook, you clueless retarded boomer.

>>10251031
Go back to facebook, you clueless retarded boomer.

>>10251037
If you can't prove it, then don't waste our time with pointless name drops. You are are a nobody who is samefagging the thread.

>>10251045
>a selfie is supposed to prove who someone is when no one knows what they look like
retard moment. you continually show how clueless you are

>>10245717
because i'm not going to pay new game prices (nor hundreds of dollars the original developer isn't going to see a cent of) for used 30+ year old games because of "muh authenticity". simple as that.

>>10251047
Then post on a well known site using his username and mention /vr/ with a time stamp. Then link it here. Do we really need to spoonfeed you how to do this Mr. super player? Or are you going to give us 20 more excuses?

>>10251059
>asking someone to identify themselves on a site that focuses heavily on anonymity
Argue points not people. What matters is what's said not who said it.

>>10251062
Then why name drop at all

>>10251076
You literally said "you aren't a superplayer" while responding to a superplayer you dumbfuck. This is why the only people making posts ITT should be those with clears. It's a very low barrier, but still most here can't even meet it.

>>10251079
>while responding to a superplayer you dumbfuck.
You are nobody until proven otherwise.

>>10251083
You are a nobody. You don't even know who mariax is and have zero clears. just shut the fuck up and leave the thread fucking tard

>>10251024
>The person you are replying to is Mariax, a literal western superplayer.
>Dumb shitter
This is an anonymous website. No one cares who you or who you are pretending to be. If you were Mariax you would be using a trip code to identify yourself.

>>10251095
Stop samefagging and just leave shitter. You don't have any clears. You have nothing to add here.

>>10251091
>you don't know who I am, making you the nobody
It must be hard insisting your fame like an instagram influencer.

>>10251109
You are really cringe

>>10251109
I cleared Parappa the Rapper and you still look like a bigger faggot than me.

back then
>sharing tips and tricks and random shit not even true with friends on school
>going over to someone's house, everyone trying to clear a game taking turns when needed
>betting on the high score using a single coin to decide who pays the snacks

now
>meta, frame perfect analysis, spreadsheets
>speedrunning
>1cc bragging

I fucking hate zoomer autists

>>10250998
>Everyone who can't read is one person
If only it were true

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>>10246225
Laughed out of emugen again, were you?

>>10251404
ITT it's you