/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10218619
Kusoge

>>10218619
They had "it" until after Dark Souls went big and then everything after Ds1 is pretty down hill.

Good.

I'm planning on playing Armored Core 1 in the near future, seeing as my only experience with that game is playing the demo like 20+ years ago. I'll be playing King's Field as well, looking forward to it.

>>10218619
they found a formula for a game that make people want to play it even when it's absolute jank and now they are chipping away the jank one game at a time

>>10218672
I enjoy AC1 but I hate how limiting some aspects are, like how you basically can't use quad legs at all because of how little weight they support

>>10218764
They basically give you super-speed.

>>10218768
yeah at the cost of no fucking guns

>>10218619
Great games, really enjoyed them a lot more than I thought I would going in totally blind with no guide. Still need to check out 4 though.

If I had to rank them, I'd personally say 3>1>2 but they're all pretty close.

>>10218619
Like manna from heaven.

>>10218619
King's Field + Shadow Tower are kino and I will never get tired of replaying them.

The old games are pretty fine if very overrated these days because of Dark Souls fans. Modern Fromsoft is one of the most creatively bankrupt devs I can think of that aren't just obviously taking the piss like Ubisoft. Honestly amazed with what they keep getting away with.

It has cute fairy.

>>10219153
Nothing wrong with a company working within the framework it knows it can succeed in. It does nothing outside of minor iterations upon what it has done before, no different than before. They're not obligated to reinvent the wheel for your entertainment, someone else can fill that niche.

>>10219153
>Modern Fromsoft is one of the most creatively bankrupt devs I can think of
I don't keep up with modern gaming QRD?

I had King's Field III JP (II in US I think) back in the 90s. I remember buying it (bootleg) because it seemed mysterious and I could explore a big 3D map. Never got too far. I always took it as a "guilty pleasure" kind of game.
I became surprised when I learned King's Field is now a "cult" series due to the Souls games.

>>10219263
I don't know really, they seem to be the most creative and consistent studios around with a high rate of output too. I think nintendofags got really upset at them basically dominating the past decade while no matter what Nintendo does they can't capture the same excitement.

>>10219270
who talked about nintendo?

>>10219275
I did, it's the only ones I've seen get angry at them.

>>10218773
What gun specifically are you trying to use? There are other components that can cause you weight issues.

>>10218659
Lmao stfu nerd. King's Field was never good
>extremely clunky combat
>endless hallways masking for "dungeons"
>soft locking everywhere

>>10218659
Lel.
People didn't care for FromSoft until Dark Soul.
>inb4 muh armored core
OK games at best.

>>10218659
yeah bro you are so unique you enjoy only unpopular things, stfu nigger

>>10218619
Year back I marathoned KF1, 2, and 3, still gotta do Ancient City. Each game is a huge jump from the last, and each has their good points.
>KF1
You'll enjoy much more with a guide. It's far too esoteric for its own good but once you get the feel for it past on floor 1 it goes way faster than you'd think.
>KF2
Huge increase in scope. The start is incredibly rough, but once you get some crystal flasks and set your first teleport to the largest town right with direct access to the large fountain it speeds up considerably and gets more and more fun all the way to the final boss.
>KF3
Is considerably more modern in its approach than the previous two. It starts off pretty linear and then branches off into different areas. I enjoyed it but later on there's a certain lack of energy to it that KF1 and 2 had, like they ran out of ideas and wanted it to be over. Still a fun game.
If you enjoy 1st person dungeon crawling as well as more slow paced action games it's right up your alley, at least it was for me.

>>10219153
Elden Ring is the best game of the last 10 years. People will still be playing it in 100 years. Sorry you cannot see that.

>>10218659
Dark Souls 2 is pretty FROMSOFTWARE, just not in the best way, it's Bloodborne when this strange idea of the company being a developer of mainstream flashy action games like Team Ninja or Platinum Games was willed into existence and they fixated on doing the same shit over and over like it's the only way to make a good game.

>>10219483
Unironically? Filtered.

>>10219153
Look I agree fromfags on /v/ are delusional but you cannot say this with a straight face when about 200 other 'studios' are more egregious

>>10218634
fuckyoufuckyoufuckyou

>>10219541
They invented a genre, which isn't the same thing as doing stuff 'over and over again', retard.

it's so fucking funny watching these cockroach iq npcs all shit talking from software JUST because their games are popular now. literal copy paste humans with no personalities.

>armored core
mixed bag but mostly good
>king's field
good

every single game they've released with miyazaki has been incredible OBVIOUSLY to anyone who likes video games

>>10219580
https://youtu.be/eQ7BEo-oeng?si=GFj5JDz7P9p6tN5u

Watch this video and tell me King's Field didn't age absolutely horribly. Maybe that shit felt new back in the 90s but endless halfways without textures doesn't seem very appealing to me.

>>10219601
They're inauthentic people who are unable to develop genuine taste, and get their worth out of disliking things others like. They live by virtue of wanting to feel 'different' and 'unique' by doing the opposite of a majority of people they despise, yet cannot live without as without them they'd be unable to be a person. It's the same type of person who'd fall for reactionary politics, so like 90% of 4chan basically.

>>10219602
>My e-daddy said I don't get to like it so I don't.

>>10219321
The only gun that matters

>>10219153
I wouldn't call them creatively bankrupt because that implies they've run out of ideas and are running on fumes. FROM is the opposite, they're like Banpresto with Super Robot Wars. They know how to make exactly ONE (two in FROM's case since AC also exists) game so they just keep making it.

>>10219638
That's like saying all action adventure games with dungeons are the same game because Zelda exists

>>10219632
Learn to use another gun you fucking baby lol it will help when you play the other games

>>10219602
I play the Japanese-only first game and I love it.

>>10218619
>What's the verdict on King's Field and From Software?
Top Ludo

>>10219597
Inventing a genre has nothing to do with using the same enemy and boss design in three different genres, which wasn't even really initially part of that supposed new genre.

>>10219734
Elden Ring is basically Dark Souls 4 so I don't see the problem, and the reused assets only hold true for a handful of optional minor bosses and some series staple enemies like the big lobsters and the curse frogs or whatever they're called. Sekiro and Bloodborne are completely different games. Stop whining.

>>10219686
I did, if anything i didn't like how 4A was so easy due to boost spamming that I could beat the whole thing with a basic machinegun without changing out my equipment, that goes against the whole spirit of AC where you change your setup to suit the mission.

>>10219660
I think the argument can be made that Soulsborne Ring is effectively the same game when so many mechanics bleed from one game into the next that it's mainly seen as just a constant refinement of a formula they think works. AC was more varied in that regard as they liked to change things up, though 4/4A bucked the trend by being too mobile and thus going against the core philosophy I mentioned here >>10219779

FROM was a shovelware-tier developer in the /vr/ days in terms of budget but that didn't matter since the games being so low budget meant they only had to sell like 100k copies to fund the next one.

>>10219779
MG spam is the easy answer to single player missions in almost every Armored Core game, about the only thing special about for Answer is that you aren't forced to start with a pea shooter rifle and wait 5 missions before you can buy the bullet hose and it's one of the more forgiving games financially so you're less incentivized to avoid the ammo expense.

>>10219779
The "basic machinegun" whoops ass in every AC, including first gen ones. The Karasawa is a fun laser cannon but you're going to be a lot more mobile and efficient with one of the MGs.

>>10218659
Damn this triggered a lot of /v/ zoomers

>>10219602
>e-celeb

Blow your fucking brains out and leave this board

>>10218764
You only need one gun bro. 2 max.

>Grab King's Field 1 after seeing so much talk about it
>Start game
>Wander into a room, find a fantasy wall and get murdered by a skeleton

I'll need to come back to that place when I'm a little tougher, but that bony son of a bitch was guarding a chest. I want what's inside that chest.

Alright guys, listen up. I know we all love Dark Souls and think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but let's be real here - King's Field is just riding on its coattails. Both games are pretty bad, let me tell ya.

First of all, let's talk about the graphics. King's Field looks like an early PlayStation game, and not in a cool nostalgic way. The environments are bland and the character models are laughable. And don't even get me started on the clunky animations.

Next up, the gameplay. King's Field is slow and tedious, with boring combat and frustrating puzzles. It's like they took the worst parts of old-school RPGs and mashed them together. And don't even get me started on the save system. Who wants to trek all the way back to a save point every time they die? Not me, that's for damn sure.

And finally, let's talk about the story. Or lack thereof. King's Field just throws you into a world with no explanation or context, and expects you to figure it all out on your own. It's like they didn't even bother trying to create a compelling narrative.

So there you have it, folks. King's Field is just riding on the coattails of Dark Souls, and both games are pretty bad. Don't be fooled by the hype - there are way better games out there, such as Gothic I and II.

>>10219861
They can't resist lol.

>>10218619
I loved the first one so much (the actual first one), I thought I was going to play them all, but I stopped playing the second game because it was just too overwhelming I guess. I had decided that I would draw my own map to remember landmarks. Also that game has vicious frame drops that are a lot more noticeable than the first game (maybe the first one is always slow, so it feels better?). I think they're very good though.

>>10219978
The character models are considerably detailed in terms of polygon count for a launch title.

>And finally, let's talk about the story. Or lack thereof. King's Field just throws you into a world with no explanation or context, and expects you to figure it all out on your own. It's like they didn't even bother trying to create a compelling narrative.

Sounds like you hate discovery.

>>10219978

Why did you write this post? Are you drunk?

I had the most fun with KF4, but i can never get far in any of em cause i always end up lost.

I think in general they're like any game dev company for me, I preferred them when their games were lower budget and lower dev time so they could afford/would be willing to experiment more. My favorite games from them are probably DeS, Eternal Ring and Shadow Tower Abyss, all for the weird alien atmosphere.

>>10219978
Is picrel what you were going for here?

>>10219978
>>10220178
I read that post in George Wood's voice.

>>10219538
>KF3
I dislike it just for the fact that it kills off the previous protagonists. Which is something i hate in every game that does it.

>>10218619
Plenty has been said about souls (not retro) but Cookie and Cream is a fantastic co-op game.

>>10220178
>Gaming in the Clinton Years
Man that fucking takes me back, shame Slowbeef's fans went apeshit on the guy just because beef thought some of his videos were low-quality.

>>10220020

>>10218619
making kino since day one.

>>10220689
But that's a videospiel.

>>10220689
The mirror of truth is so fucking cool. I also loved the sorcerer's labyrinth with the crazy music, game has great music. When I beat the game I checked out how the speedrun looks, and saw to my dismay that you can simply teleport out of the maze using the dragon rod the girl gives you. But I'm glad I wasn't quick witted enough to realize that, and played through the place. It was very intense and memorable.

>>10219602
>Maybe that shit felt new back in the 90s
Where do you think we are

>>10221485
KF1 is really cool. i didn't know about the dragon rod letting you skip that part but i like running through it anyway for the treasure. also like the little story bit that the reason why the original map doesn't cover most of the 4th and 5th floors is the dark sorcerer was digging and making the uncharted areas himself.

>>10218659
this kills the /v/tard

>>10221601
It teleports you to the entrance to the level you're on, so a thinking player might remember they have it and realize they didn't enter level 4 through the 'front'. Personally I think that's the reason she gives it to you, lore-wise.

>>10219623
>muh inauthentic people
truly an incredible topic here for making vtards this upset.

>>10218659
Dark souls 1 with the DLC was premium

>>10218619
It's a cool dungeon crawler game from people who probably loved Wizardry (it's really big in Japan). I respect it. Nu-From Software is overrated though.

>>10218619
i love king's field if you dont like it you are retarded

>>10219156
she freaked me out when i found her but turns out she was a nice person

>>10219265
i remember hearing that demon's souls was meant to be king's field 5 until miyasaki got his hands on it

>>10219483
nice keep outing yourself as being retarded

>>10219538
i didnt need a guide for the first(JP) game i dont get whats so esoteric about it

>>10219602
thars because you are retarded and your rotted brain needs constant stimulation

>>10219602
this faggot had to resort to linking a video of his favorite eceleb because he cant come up with his own opinion, holy shit please kill yourself

>>10219601
demon's souls was great, dark souls 1 was only half good the rest of the games afterwards are mediocre

>>10219968
you can tottaly beat him at level 1 i always do its a nice exp boost i think the chest has a shield i dont remember but i do remember it wasnt worth it

>Most of the first ever mentions of King's Field on the board are from soulsfags who went back to play it after playing DS according to archives
Funny.

>>10221647
the dlc was demon's souls tier level of goodnes in my opinion

>>10221710
Probably because the people deriding it never played it.

>>10218619
>fromslopware
not a single good game
>>10218634
FPBP

>>10219270
>>10219276
You’re mentally ill

>>10221793
Does it bother you to know everyone knows what you're like?

this thread is barely /vr/ since its devolved into everyone talking about Dark Souls and /v/ console war retarded shitflinging, but

>>10219153
this is very wrong, they're one of the last companies left to experiment at all since the HD era made experimentation much more costly. As another anon said yeah they experimented much more back in the day but that's because their games were cheap as fuck to develop and they'd be pumping out like 5 a year at one point. Souls games are their breadwinner but Sekiro and Armored Core 6 were huge derisions from that and were risks most devs would not take these days.

You say "obviously taking the piss like Ubisoft" but most modern game devs are like that. Rockstar doesn't make games anymore and just sits on infinite GTA5 money, Square Enix sits on infinite FF14 money and just pumps out garbage constantly, Valve doesn't make games anymore, Bethesda barely makes games anymore and they're way more creatively bankrupt than Fromsoft, Konami doesn't make games anymore. Don't even get me started on Blizzard.

Most AAA devs are in the business of making live-service skinnerboxes these days and that's why we play retro games so much. Really the only two AAA devs left that I can think of that still consistently release a bunch of quality games from different genres are Nintendo and Capcom. FromSoft I think is slowly but surely getting there too. We almost definitely won't see another King's Field game since the Souls games were its spiritual successor, but I hope they really expand what they can do and continue to make games from a variety of genres.

>>10219601
>>king's field
>good
Nigga the game was unknown for a well damn reason until Fromsoft fags started digging the company past games.
>Armored core
Games always where ok at best.
Says whatever you want about them post Demon's Souls and you may be right but don't act like their past shit was good because only makes you look like a pretentious fuck.

>>10222231
Speak for yourself, high minded fuckwad.

>>10222231
Most Fromsoft fans are just that, a bunch of pretentious dimwits, they think they are better than most just because they are fans of "hard" games and think they are better than your average consumer but that's all they have and when people call them on it they act like they are hot shit, look how many fans started complaining about Elden Ring being casualized just because they could lose their shitty status as "hardcore".
Do Fromsoft make good games? Hell yeah, but God damn their fanboys are annoying as fuck.

>>10222263
See?>>10222240
They are fucking obnoxious.
Lmao.

>>10222263
Understandable sentiment indeed. However, I don't think being casualized is the best option all the time for every series.

>>10222267
Of course not, I do believe in gate keeping as much as possible but don't act like hot shit for liking unknown series.

>>10219870
>>10221719
>>10219626
I didnt even know this guy is an e-celeb damn, why so mad? Go have sex or something you frustrated nerds

>>10221635
I've been here since 2006 and never browse /v/, retarded zoomer. Go be a reactionary on /pol/ or something you dimwit.

>>10222263
Dark Souls was already well known back then. The series was never obscure. Elden Ring arguably has the hardest bosses in a FromSoft game ever, and summons have been there since the beginning.

fromfags really are insufferable everywhere on the internet huh

>>10222302
Go have your daily BBC binge, cuck.

>>10219601
none of the King's Field games were directed by Miyazaki and they're definitely just as much of a mixed bag as armored core if not more. They got really bad reviews at the time and even now I think they're only good for a small niche of people, I really liked King's Field IV but I found the PS1 games to be pretty unenjoyable due to being games with no map and indistinguishable environments. IV doesn't have a map either but the environments are distinguishable enough that you can at least get a feel for your surroundings.

>>10222345
>IV doesn't have a map either
It has though. There are several partial 2D maps and a complete 3D map.

>>10218659
the seething to this response shows its true

90% of the posts itt should be pruned

>>10222383
Le reactionary face

>>10222460
>makes shit take
>gets pwned
>p-pls ban all mean replies jannies

>someone brings up souls
>becomes a /v/ tier thread
better luck next time, bye

I like Echo Night better.

>>10219541
DS2 is pretty much an indie game. The true From Software made DS, DaS1, BB and DaS3.

>>10222884
Why do you people think I can't read credits

>>10220178
Hear me out though

I'm about to get scorched for this but its crazy to me how these King's Field games actually exist. They almost come across as ancient fake games you'd have seen in a television show in the late 90s. They don't seem like they were actually created as real games at all. They definitely seem interesting though as far as exploration goes. Combat not so much and a part of the reason why has to do with how the games look fake.

Trying to get into KF1 (JP) right now. How do I save?

How would you say Echo Night and Shadow Tower compare to King's Field?

>>10221909
>derisions
Divergences?

>>10222270
wow you're important, and you live by an interesting and valuable code

>>10223335
That's true lol. But I disagree about the combat. It's simple distance management and timing, but it gets a little more interesting when you get different weapons and spells.
I clicked on the eceleb video and he called it jank, it is not jank, it's consistent and mechanically sound. It's just basic.

>>10223432
replying to him validates him

>>10219540
I don't think it's very good personally

>>10223216
They are special. There's a high level of vision to the directing of the game, beyond 99 percent of games. The combat works quite well once you get used to it.

>>10219978
>King's Field hater recommends gothic
I thought we were brothers... These games are both peak oblique roleplaying

>>10223436
Meant to reply to >>10223216 idk how the hell I did that

Echo Night is a narrative/adventure game as far as I can tell, I only played the first 15 minutes, I doubt it has any action/combat later.
Shadow Tower is like a sister game to King's Field, similar gameplay, but different progression.

>>10219540
People will still be playing a lot of games in 100 years as long as humans haven't obliterated themselves by that point. Being the best recent game isn't saying much when Namco, Koei and Fromsoft are the only companies left still producing good games.

>>10219602
Lol you didn't even watch the video you invoked because the guy had mostly good things to say about the game

>>10221756
That was obviously going to be the case. Dark Souls sold better than all previous FromSoft games combined.

>>10219978
Pretty sure this is literally ChatGPT. No human being would write like this much of a fag.

>>10224235
it's finely-crafted bait

>>10222884
I think you mean a AA game trying to go AAA but falling short. From were always AA and you can usually tell the point in the games when the budget ran dry

>>10219632
>>10219686
I haven't played newer ACs but the most effective weapons in PS1 ACs to me was manually aimed bazookas and the large rocket launcher. Just point the camera the right way and most enemies fold, and they don't have the shoulder weapon penalty. The limited ammo count doesn't matter when the enemy count in general is low

>>10222515
That was my first post of this thread schizo-kun. Thanks for thinking so highly of me, I’m flattered

>>10219978
there is NO WAY that a chatGPT post got this many (you)s. what are you guys doing

>>10219978
Bot post

THIS SONG
HAS BEEN STUCK
IN MY HEAD
SINCE 1997
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I34io5wf5kk&list=PLMHCGC8qP5422kYz3kVp8e2NiFfeMCA3m&index=2

>>10225395
This is the make-the-world-your-bitch theme for me. Those little off-beat bass notes are so hostile

>>10218773
>no guns

>>10219632
>50 shots
You didn't beat the game.

>>10218672
This idiot again.
Armored Core 1 is fucking me up hard. I've been struggling through nearly every damn mission, and it wasn't until recently I picked up a half decent generator so I can boost more and fire my pulse rifle without running dry. Bottoming out on energy is a death sentence, and I need to get some better legs.
I fucking suck at this game, dude. I have a lot to learn.

>>10218659
I've been feeling that way since Dark Souls 2.
I played Dark Souls 1, then 2, then 3. I eventually got a PS3 and played Demon's Souls and it felt like the sequel to Dark Souls 1 I always wanted. Something about Demon's Souls feels so much more put together and complete. I then beat King's Field 1-4. The most immersive experience I've had in gaming in a long time. Combing through dungeons, looking for hidden walls, avoiding traps, key management, finding mysterious NPCs in odd places, all of it was so great to play blind. Music is kino as well.

>>10224443
>>10224895
What if I told you 40% of posts on 4chan are AI training posts? How do you know I'm not one of those posts?

>>10226919
Serious question: have you ever been diagnosed with autism?

>>10227069
Not him but I feel exactly the same way. My mom suspected I had autism but 3 different doctors said that I didn't

>>10227069
You feeling lonely bud? Sorry, can't say that I share your condition. Good luck out there.

>>10227213
Ouch must've struck a chord there

>>10227359
Yeah enough for you to reply :^)
Don't be too upset over different opinions, I know it's part of your condition

recently got into king's field 1, pretty cool so far
about to leave the first floor

>>10227650
Hell yeah brother

>>10226478
Making the AC less shit is part of the learning process, and how hard that particular game is influences how hard you need to optimize your build. You can get by with almost everything in AC1 once you fix up the generator and boosters. I know the free ammo is alluring, but I'd avoid using EN weapons if you can't keep them shooting. Are you bunnyhopping? How much energy do your parts eat up? I don't remember legs mattering much in AC1, in latter games they get a lot more critical. Are you having fun?

>>10227790
>Spoiler
I'm not sure. But I'm not beaten, not yet at least. If things get truly fucked I might just let myself go into super debt and go Human Plus. I should mention that once I got the better generator, I'm not having as many problems, other than running out of ammo in some missions, but that's the nature of the game.
I'm pretty sure I'm bunnyhopping, it's matter of doing a forward boost and then tapping jump while NOT holding forward to get air time and using the momentum of the boost to carry you forward, right?
I'm currently using stock parts, except for the generator and head. I've been having a hell of a time getting the funds to replace that shit.

>>10227995
You NEED to keep pressing the directional buttons in the direction you want to move during bunny hopping, it's not Source. The critical part is the landing: you need to apply a dab of boost before landing so you slide during the landing instead of doing the "hard" landing animation that locks you in place. At some point it'll become natural. How heavy are you running your AC? Gen 1 ACs have a speed cap, but it might be worth it to run a bit lighter so you move faster while not boosting too.
Regarding funds, it's normal. AC1 has no arena and you'll struggle with funds, doubly so if it's your first time playing any game in the series. Are you using the Karasawa?

>>10228101
I didn't get the Karasawa and after looking it up: I missed my chance to get it, and the super generator during that escaped plus mission. My balls are really getting trapped in a vice at the moment, hence why I'm considering going human plus as that resets you.

>>10227995
To add something I forgot, during bunnyhop what you don't want to use is the boost: you need it to before jumping to start sliding and before landing to slide again, but while you're flying you can minimize boost usage UNLESS you want to gain altitude or stall your bunny hopping (to change direction, or maybe to try dodging)

>>10228104
It sucks that you missed it but you don't strictly need it. When you clear the game once it unlocks every mission you did and didn't do for replay, you can use that to unlock it if you plan to move your savegame to Project Phantasma and MoA. The generator is a bummer since I remember it being pretty much the best one in the gen, but you can make do with the other gas turbine generator you can buy until you can go back to replay it.
Get the 500 ammo SMG in the store, it's just-as-good as the Sawa for sheer cheese. The 1000 ammo one looks like the better option but it has lower projectile speed. Otherwise just restart with your acquired knowledge and do everything better.

Uh guys? That company that sells a ton of games and is very highly rated critically? Yeah they're actually overrated, sorry. Not sure if you got the memo, you should probably stop liking them now. What games do I play? Heh, well, you probably never heard of them, don't worry about it.

>>10228112
I found out about the 1000 ammo SMG the hard way. Are any of the shoulder mounted energy weapons worthwhile? I'm hurting on weaponry and find myself running out of ammo in a lot of missions.

>>10228121
Only if you're running a quad or tank, you need to steady them on bipeds and that's slow. I'd point you towards the manual aim rockets but if you're strapped on cash they're a bad idea.

>>10228124
I thought only the big cannons require you to kneel when firing shoulder weapons, some of those energy weapons aren't as big

>>10228121
And remember that you can sell everything for the same price you bought it. Maybe get rid of the old generator and head if you haven't already. The radar too if your new head has it integrated.

>>10228128
No, the only back weapons you can fire off without steadying are sadly rockets and missiles. Without Human plus, that is.

>>10228129
Yeah, I sold all of the old gear. Unfortunately I've went through several missions and got my ass kicked so I'm very, very low on money. I'm frequently dipping below into the negatives before barely scraping by another mission and getting out of the red.

>>10228131
That fucking sucks.

>>10228132
>That fucking sucks.
It does, especially since the animation for firing bazookas while flying with a biped is really fucking cool, but sadly it's what defines the leg types. 4th gen got rid of it and it makes the weapon variety a lot better at the cost of the leg types not mattering as much.
If you manage to salvage that run it might be fun, money in AC has a snowball effect and you definitely need a good bunch of money early on to get better parts. You can keep a decent chunk of parts from the start 1 AC, but you'll need to replace weapons and "internals". Don't be afraid to restart.

>>10219540
>People will still be playing it in 100 years.
some people will like how some people play atari game. but the vast majority will not

>>10222345
All KF have maps, KF1 has like two incomplete maps you can use to orientate in the levels until you get the wizard's map that shows the entire layout of all levels, KF2 also has 2 maps that complement each other until you get necron's map that shows almost everything in every zone of the game, KF3 only has the pixie map but it's in blank and you have to fill it by exploring the levels, as the other anon stated, KF4 has some incomplete maps and a full 3d map hidden in the treasury room.

Although it's true that KF 1,2 and 3 have enviroments that are confusing to navigate, the layouts themselves are enough to traverse each game. Trust me, i know because i also thought there were no maps in these+k0ads games.

>>10227512
Stop projecting autie. Liking King's Field is literal autism. It was never a popular nor well acclaimed game and only became more prominent because it's le daddy of Dark Souls.

>>10228402
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind-blindness
Feel free to read more on your condition to give you closure as to why you can't accept the viewpoints of others.

>>10227995
The real Human Plus is restarting using a fresh save with the knowledge you've gained so far.

>>10229259
But I want the cool sword beam...

>>10229269
There are swords in MOA that give it by default, but if you have full Plus it alters the effect of each sword slightly. To be honest, it's not that good, because it means you can no longer melee up close safely (splash damage), so really you just have this semi-long range semi-infinite weapon that also nails you down when you use it. Just get better in general, you really do go further with limitations.

>>10228402
More to do with their obscurity and difficulty than their quality IMO. They're too hard for adults now, let alone me a stoner teenager playing JRPGs with a GameFAQs guide. Says more about the players than the games.

King's Field was made by a bunch of Wizardry nerds who only ever made business software until they got a PS1 dev kit. It shows.

>>10218619
If From Software were a Saturn exclusive developer, they'd be a dead developer but even more retro games would be jerking them off than they are now.

>>10228794
To understand someone is projecting is literally attributing mental states to another person. Like I said, you're projecting. It seems like you're obsessed with this because I struck a cord in you. Good luck living in denial for the rest of your life, autie.

>king's field combat
>strike
>take step back
>enemy strikes and misses
>take step forward and strike
LE DEEP AND OBSCURE GAME

>>10229439
>even more retro games would be jerking them off than they are now
?

>>10229476
*gamers

>>10229474
git gud

>>10226478
>This idiot again.
>Armored Core 1 is fucking me up hard.
I think you're the idiot

>>10229739
It takes like 40 seconds to "git gud" at KF and it never evolves past that.

>>10229897
anon that guy is replying to himself and calling himself that, you might both be idiots

>>10230116
Filtered lmao
git gud

>>10229474
Why are you so confounded by this game though?

>>10229897
That other anon is correct, I was replying to myself and referring to myself as an idiot.
You dummy.

Mind-boggling effects

>>10218659
I liked the slow and clunky combat of DS1. DS3 felt more anime-ish, like everything is faster and does more damage

>>10230710
mind status: boggled

>>10231537

>>10231539

>>10231539
>>10231545
>Spooky atmospheric dungeon crawler
>also give the player some guns
That is so fucking cool.

>>10231545

>>10219978
I actually really like King's Field's graphics. I can't really explain why, but they look charming. I've seen some games that have the same look like Fatum Beluta and Dusk and I like it there too.

>>10218634
/thread

I played this AFTER Ultima Underworld, imagine what a let down that an older DOS game that ran with NO SPECIAL 3D HARDWARE just kicked the fucking shit out of this.

Kusoge indeed.

>>10218619
Love's me some Kings Field

1 is not very good but somewhat worth playing for the callbacks if you end up wanting to play all of them

2 is legitimately great for how open-ended it's world design is. Many of the objectives are optional and the critical path only really has a few objectives but good luck being able to complete them without prior knowledge of the game or being strong enough.

3 is an epic. It.conclides the story of the first three games and it's very well-meaning. Some great areas with a lot of intrigue and I really love it's aesthetics.

4 is the best one. It's level design is very memorable and the world really tells a story.

These games aren't for everyone but they are for.me and I'm glad they exist. The technical limitations are rather obvious but I otherwise feel their pacing is perfect.

>>10225395
Knew which song this was before I clicked on the link

Kings Field II has the best world/map design. I would argue that amongst the first three games, III is "better", yet II was much more impressionable.

>>10219978
>First of all, let's talk about the graphics. King's Field looks like an early PlayStation game,
That's because it is one the first games to be released for the system. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the first game.

>>10231539
Damn, a real shame it's trapped in first person "gameplay"

>>10231693
>3 is epic
>4 is the best
dogshit taste. subhumans like you are why elden ring exists

So from is one of those companies that’s just utterly ruined on this site discussion wise huh, I’m trying to think of who else, Nintendo obviously, probably sega too

>>10232202
You'd be quicker to list out the ones that aren't.

>>10232202
It would be quicker to point out what you can discuss successfully

>>10219978
I kneel, chatbot-sama

>>10231693
I'd say 3 is easily the worst. KF isn't about linear progression from ice temple to fire temple to whatever, while generic fantasy music is playing.

>>10231693
yeah I agree with this

>>10229474
you're supposed to be circle strafing buddy

>>10231537
Its a shame the game has so many cool visuals but also so many boring corridors that look exactly the same.

>>10232202
Well that's what happens when a developer and its audience change.

>>10232202
it's what happens when /v/ermin is allowed to visit this board

King's Field 1, 2, and maybe 3 deserved to be ported to the Sega Saturn with 1 and maybe also 2 getting additionally ported to the 3DO. It also would have been neat to be Armored Core 1, Project Phantasma and MoA get Dreamcast versions.

>>10232678
Developers changing isn't necessarily a bad thing by itself.

>602
>Watch this video and tell me King's Field didn't age absolutely horribly
It was a fun game (at least IV was) and people who say this with type of critique are unable to even appreciate retro games, because it implies that somehow, games modern/newer games were better, when even in graphics I would argue retro games are superior than most modern games.

>>10222842
there's a /v/ on 4x2chan, 94chan, zchan, and 8+1chan.

>>10232195
Then don't play that game, dipshit.

>>10218619
King's Field and Armored Core are the only FromSoftware games I've ever played. And I didn't even know for a long time that they were made by FS.

>>10225642
>Those little off-beat bass notes
syncopated

The verdict is guilty.

>>10233403
Verdict day is NOT RETRO

I'm playing King's Field IV right now and I'm having an absolute blast. Are 1-3 as much fun? And how is Shadow Tower and Eternal Ring? I was thinking about giving them a try regardless

>>10233764
Eternal Ring is more of a mixed bag to to me, overall. Not sure about Shadow Tower...

I've seen some people say this weapon took them a really long time to try and grind but I got it after my third purple skull kill

>>10233764
The low framerate and jank of the earlier games make them not as enjoyable as King's Field 4. Shadow Tower Abyss is good.

The PS1 games were just made on shit hardware that made realizing the vision they had impossible so it either just looks like blurry textured hallways and/or has an unacceptable framerate.

>>10232195
3 *is* an epic, dipshit. i am not saying it was "epic". it was the culmination of the psone trilogy. as to whether you liked it or not doesn't really matter. its storytelling threads span three different games.
>>10232315
i really liked 3 after finishing it, but i only played through it once. if i were fo rank them: 4 > 2 > 3 > 1

>>10233764
play kings field ii next. if you're still hungry, move onto iii.

i liked shadow tower more than shadow tower abyss. however, it feels like i had less fun with shadow tower than i did with shadow tower abyss. abyss just ends abruptly. the first game has much better pacing/level design. both are a little esoteric at first and require some time to acclimate to what it wants from you.

i wouldn't recommend eternal ring. i spent about three hours on it and it never really felt "good" and failed to grab me.

>>10218619
kingsfield was pretty good but i had to use a guide.

>>10231545
It's so bizarre this game was never brought west considering the sheer amount of crappy, low-budget PS2 shovelware titles that made it overseas.

>>10218619
First three games are great, haven't played the 4th one though. All these people crying about them are more than likely just Dark Souls fans that got filtered.

>>10219789
>as just a constant refinement of a formula they think works.
I mean it does work.

>>10218659
you're a dumbass. nobody gave a shit about fromsoft until dark souls.