/vr/ - Retro Games

I love Zelda 2, but I don't think it's important

>>10228671
As far as Madoolikes go, it's alright. Of similar playing games, it's not particularly stand out but has a focus on rigid feeling challenges that aren't satisfying to overcome but feel rote and full of friction due to a combat system too involved for the control the game offers you.

>>10228671
I guess it's an okay buster-madoola-vania.

>>10228671
>We're
kill yourself consensus cuck

>>10228671
PC port
https://hoverbat.itch.io/ziiaol

>>10228680
It's very important in that it was the first commercial and critical success that mixed RPG mechanics with an action game


All those modern games which add RPG mechanics to everything are in a way, all descendants of Zelda 2

>>10229737
that's dumb. just because it came first doesn't mean it directly inspired many other games. there are many historical examples of games that technically started some genres, except few liked them and they didn't inspire much.
I'm not sure many games actually copied what Zelda 2 did. certainly not it's weird overworld. you could MAYBE argue that games like Wonder Boy owe something to Zelda 2, but then again, the similarity is only that you explore a big world and it's a side scroller / RPG where you use a sword.
>>10228671
>Why?
it is ambitious, but way, way too rough around edges. the combat is a weird mix of Street Fighter and Zelda with stiff controls. the "adventure" element is not on the level of top-down Zelda dungeons. the difficulty is just brutal sometimes. the overworld is awkward. it never feels like a game that should become a "blueprint".

>>10228687
>>10229042
Schizo meltdown.

>>10229734
Did you make this? That page is a little sketchy (no images or game description, mislabeled genre, only released a few weeks ago, no other works by author or author bio)

>>10229761
Why aren't you using your shield?

>>10229764
I'll explain it so even someone with autism understands.
The bubbles plus the hazard of the axes prove a decent challenge normally. This player is showing off their skill at Zelda 2 by intentionally not using the shield as if to say to his enemy, "Look, I don't even need it." Then, he teabags to put the proverbial period onto the sentence.

>>10229764
Axes go through shields.

>>10229762
it's to keep it on the DL, it uses assets from a copyrighted work if you know what I mean.

the worst "good" nes game

>>10228671
>sidescrolling Valkyrie no Bouken is somehow super special
ok

>>10229737
>It's very important in that it was the first commercial and critical success that mixed RPG mechanics with an action game

I'm pretty sure there were plenty of similar games that never made it out of Japan. What about Tritorn, for example? https://youtu.be/8U1v6QdKrUA?t=193

>>10230004
> that never made it out of Japan.

My point exactly. None of these were worldwide best sellers, and those are the trend makers.

The last boss of this game was retarded and if you game over'd, wew.

>>10228671
God the victim complex of Zelda 2 tards almost rival FF8 tards, I swear.

Good game

>>10230060
I'd still say Zelda 2 had a lot of great ideas that had potential to be ground breaking, and still feel semi-fresh years later. the problem is, none of them were polished, and the game was quite unfriendly

>>10228671
>Why?
Because Aonuma Style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhBUTjcP9a8

>>10230040
The only trends that mattered were trends within Japan, and AoL wasn't especially innovative there. It's not as if AoL prompted USA developers to start making clones.

>>10228671
Great game, I beat it, took me about 20 years. Plan to play it at least once more.

How much of a requirement is a guide? I've been meaning to give it a try but don't want to end up helplessly stuck 10 hours in or something.

Mediocre persiavania clone

>>10231000
Some of the side-quests aren't too straight-forward (the translation isn't great either). Everything else is fine.

>>10228671
Because it is honest to god a terrible game through and through. It's a genuine chore to play every step of the way, and that's with emulation tricks like save states and rewind to counter the bullshit with your own bullshit. There is absolutely zero value in this game.

>>10228671
I don't see the appeal, I played much better sidescrollers this is just lame

>>10228671

All good people already like Zelda 2, or haven't played it yet. Good people wouldn't agree that it was bad without having played it, and why worry about what bad people think? The problem solves itself.

>>10228671
I dropped it at the final dungeon because it was too damn big. I don't want to make my own map in a game like this.

>>10228671
>the black sheep of the franchise
This label should be retired now that Zeldaslop is a thing. Zelda 2 was a major console release. If it's some shit that's on a handheld (with the lone exception of Link's Awakening because it was a major release at the time) or some crap nobody cares about like the game with 4 Links, then it's Zeldaslop.

i don't get what this game did that made it so important. Castlevania 2: Simon's Quest from the same year ended up being more influential

>>10231467
>now that Zeldaslop is a thing
this never happened

the overworld was inspired but the side-scrolling dungeons were a step back. This game should be remade as a conventional zelda title, I'd play it

>>10228687
>>10229042
>Wing of Madoola
You clearly never played the game. AoL is nothing like Madoola. You shitters are trippin
>>10231426
6 year olds were beating the game in the 80s. Zoom-zooms absolutely FILTERED

>>10228671
>aAARGH I NEED TO MODULATE MY OPINION BASED ON THOSE OF OTHER ANONYMOUS VIRGINS
If you had a personality you wouldn't be whining about this shit.

>>10231484
CV2 was made the way it was precisely because of Zelda 2 and because everyone thought that style was the new hottest shit (which it was for a short while)

>>10231708
>for a short while
Anon, Simons Quest spawned the Metroidvania genre

>>10231708
I loved that 'shit' and still do.
Clash at demonhead is one of the finest examples on the nes

>>10231827
Simon's Quest is just a Romancialike.

is it an arpg, though?

>>10231979
You have clearly never played Romancia. They are nothing alike

>>10231995
>action combat
>experience system
Those are the requirements to be an ARPG by today's standards.