/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10226597
Arguably the most memorable.
Definitely the best of the classic style Metal Gear games, before Camo and rotating cameras.

i remember when people said it was the worst one and that 3 was the best thing ever.

Aged better than 3. Doesn't have bloat shit that interrupts the gameplay, doesn't have meme mechanics like 3 does. Its very light-hearted in gameplay with great presentation of 60fps.

>>10226606
doesn't the original mgs3 have the overhead camera

>>10226597
>game

>>10226651
Yes, but even with the original camera, the gameplay feels like a deviation from the older MG style in all the prior games. That's not to say it's bad, just different.

For as long as I can remember, people on /v/ built a cult of personality around MGS3 and acted like it was so epic as to replace the Bible itself in our culture. When I finally played the Metal Gear games, I found it wasn't as good as 2 for a number of reasons.
>Snake Eater is the only song from the game I can hum from the top of my head
>Very linear
>The story doesn't really say anything
I was told the ending was the most gut-wrenching moment in the history of art but I had no emotional response. It's a good game with a fun James Bond plot but if you think it's better than 1 or 2 you believe in the tooth fairy

>>10226678
>Snake Eater is the only song from the game I can hum from the top of my head
It does feel like Snake Eater overshadows the rest of the MGS3 OST. I thought it was telling (and a bit jarring) that the final boss in 4 used the MGS1 and MGS2 Tanker alert themes, before breaking into What a Thrill.

>>10226678
They were just excited you played as (a) Snake for the whole game

I know I liked Big Shell way more than the Mgs3 Jungle. When it goes sunset it looks really nice.

>>10226726
That's one of my favorite parts as well.

For a first playthrough should I play the original or substance?

>>10226751
substance
it's the same game but with additional content including VR missions, also if you play the PS2 version of MGS2 substance there is a cool skateboarding minigame too

>>10226597
Arguably, sure. The first 3 are all incredibly good, and even the 4th one is excellent. Personally I think it's hard to beat the straightforward story and aesthetic of the MGS which establish the series' popularity, but I enjoyed MGS2 the most.

>>10226597
yes and it's still just a 7/10 game

>>10226678
>Snake Eater is the only song from the game I can hum from the top of my head
Snake Eater is definitely the headliner, but the Caution theme lives in my head rent free.
https://youtu.be/T50Uu7L-Sj0

PS2 version or PC for this?

MGS3 is the best in the series and the only people that claim 2 is the best are pseudo-intellectuals that think the plot and twist ending are so deep. The rig is a boring as fuck setting and doesn’t allow for much creativity in how you play the game.

>>10226597
I like 3 more but I think 3 has a cooler setup.

>>10226597
It isn't even the best Metal Gear with 2 in the name.

>>10226597
yes but only if you've played MG2 and MGS.
As a standalone experience you lose a lot.
MGS3 is the best all-in-one MGS game though

>>10226678
>I was told the ending was the most gut-wrenching moment in the history of art but I had no emotional response.
No video game will ever live up to that hype.
MGS3 was literally made because Harry Gregson-Williams said he didn't want to do another video game unless it was an orchestral score.
So being the absolute western-boo, Kojima decided to write the antithesis of MGS2 by making it a goofy james bond type 60's spy flick JUST so he could work with Gregson-Williams again.
You think I'm kidding? Look it up.

>>10226608
It became a cult classic bc its themes are better understood nowadays. It was ahead of its time

>>10227140
Do you have any source of that? Its somewhat credible when we're talking about Kojima kek but I'd never heard that

>>10226597
its the only 60fps one therefore the only playable one

>>10227152
I will return with source but right now I can't track it down since everything is related to the MGS3 remake on search engines

>>10226597
No.

>>10226597
>Play the majority of the game as a young bishie swordsman in tights, performing acrobatics as "stealth"
No.

>>10226608
>>10227016
>>10227128
>>10227138
Yeah, the one with barely any plot outside of go here then go there and do that and
>le power of emotions
is the best one, not to mention the """"""mechanics""""""

>>10227140
>You think I'm kidding? Look it up
I tried and couldn't find anything. I don't think you're kidding, I just think you're repeating hearsay you picked up somewhere without a source.

>>10226751
substance if you're paying money
original if you're pirating and don't care for the side shit

nah. its fun but the plant feels like one massive warehouse\sewer level, the last hour of gameplay with the swimming, overly long sniper section, boring escorting and mid boss fights. mgs3 remedies the first issue and almost avoids the second, but i dislike the prison break and escorting Eva.
>>10226678
>Very linear
i dont think this was an issue considering backtracking in MGS2 wasnt that interesting to begin with.
>The story doesn't really say anything
it does tho. its about how talented, idealistic people became alienated because of their contributions to a rivalry between two nations\ideologies. The Boss's monologue and Naked Snake's turncoating gives it away. a problem MGS2 and 3 both have is making the game's most interesting themes relevant throughout the entire story, but i think MGS2 suffers worse. The Most Profound Moment in Gaming History happens 10 minutes before the game ends and isn't that relevant to the game's story, which was more of a Truman Show scenario rather than it being about the unregulated flow of information. MGS3 has this problem too (especially with the relative lack of cutscenes and codec conversations) but at least it shows the effects the themes have on its characters, including Sokolov much earlier on. despite it being one of the most unique takes on an anti-war message i know of this goes underappreciated, i guess the monologging is still too show-don't-tell for most people.

>>10227259
I love images like this because you can feel the absolute seethe of whoever made it radiating from it

>>10227265
>despite it being one of the most unique takes on an anti-war message i know of
clarification, i mean through vidya. obviously other forms of media has much higher standards on that front. i've been reading Libra by Don Delillo and it has similar themes, with one of the protagonists (Lee Harvey Oswald, yes that one) being an angsty teenager who tries to find himself through ideology, only to be taken advantage of by both the KGB and CIA.

>>10227269
What do you mean? Communists love Hillary Clinton!

>>10227276
what I mean is that I love images like that because you can feel the absolute seethe of whoever made it radiating from it

>>10227302
I was kidding; I agree with you. Sorry it didn't land.

>>10227269
>>10227302
thanks, I also thought of putting blm/qos shit but couldn't find a good place for it

>>10227306
>that reading comprehension
No wonder you'd spend time making an image like that

>>10226608
2004-2008 was almost 20 years ago.

>>10227265
>its about how talented, idealistic people became alienated because of their contributions to a rivalry between two nations\ideologies
Might have landed if I cared at about the Boss at all, but I don't. The only line of hers I can remember is "I'm defecting to the Soviet Union"

>>10226597
It's the most fun to revisit.

>>10227269
Yes, this guy posted a few weeks ago. I posted American camo snake saying it's fun to punch commies while smoking a cigar and wearing American flag camo. Then this faggot says he likes wearing rainbow camo while killing statists or some crazy leftist propaganda. So I said, "fellow sister, you can actually do what I said in the game, this isn't real life." Well looks like he seethed so hard he had to cope, but it is a great image kek, download

>>10226678
>if you think it's better than 1 or 2 you believe in the tooth fairy
Yeah, that makes sense.

>>10226678
I strongly disliked the bosses and story in MGS3 compared to MGS2. I played the absolute shit out of MGS2 and beat it like 10 times as a kid. I think I only played through MGS3 once and barely even remember it.

>>10227529
cringe@u

>>10227678
This desu

>>10226597
The most overrated without a doubt. People in these threads never discuss the gameplay for a reason. Its main reason d'etre is to act as an in-group signal so you and your pals can circlejerk online about how intellectual you are for liking a video game.

>>10227259
What is this image making fun of? The conflation of liberals and communists makes me think it's making fun of leftists, but >>10227529 suggests otherwise.

>>10227674
Fucking filtered hard. Mgs3 is the greatest video game ever made.

It's certainly the most fun and the game I've played the most. The only thing that 3 does better is that shootout near the start around that little brick compound thing, and some time later you push up towards another structure in the middle of the woods and that one is fun to take, but in general 2 is more fun.

>>10227908
I should go back and play it again for sure, it’s long overdue.

Would it be better to play the vanilla version again or should I try to play Subsistence this time around?

>>10227857
The reason people never discuss the gameplay in MGS2 is the same reason people never discuss it in Half-Life 2: the story is profound enough to dominate the discussion.

>>10228023
Subsistence features are optional, so original version is obsolete

>>10227903
He's trying to demasculize snake. He made the exact same image he replied to me about, because i said America and punching commies, his retaliation was to turn snake into a leftist, even though you can actually punch commies in mgs3.

>>10228585
>Could have chosen dozens of examples of fag shit in the MGS series
>Photoshops Naked Snake into a communist instead
Is he even an MGS fan? Lol

>>10228023
You should just wait for the remake. It's being made by the same studio that handled the Final Fantasy X remaster, so you know it's going to be great.

>>10228604
>Is he even an MGS fan?
I was, before 3 shit the bed and ruined the series

>>10226678
I think it's worse because it's a prequel in the stupid jungle. That's not MGS, I want infiltration of high tech facilities in a near future setting.

>>10226678
I played them all about the time they came out.
For me MGS2 is my least favorite. It's the only one I didn't really play much at all. I didn't care for the ship or the big shell environments and the story was boring.
MGS3 has its problems but it's the better game in my opinion. It has a lot of charm and the jungle is an interesting setting. MGS1 is probably the best overall.

>>10228649
I for one am supportive of erotic metal gear content, because
>snake beats up deepthroat PORNHUB exclusive
>Volgon the BIG gay
>Raiden bi? Nah he gayyuy
>Ocelot literally took and cut liquids dick off and replaced his own with it, that's gay homie

>>10226597
Not only is it the best MGS game, it's one of the greatest games ever made. Name another game where you can get pissed on, make a pretty woman piss herself, use a directional microphone to listen to a man have explosive diarrhea, get shit on by seagulls, and masturbate to jap supermodels in lockers.

>>10226597
No, the best Metal Gear game is Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake on the MSX. It was the last one that was a game first and not a laughably bad political statement/Escape From NY rip off. One of the few good things about Sons of Liberty is that we got to see Snake as something other than a drooling retard who needed the mission explained to him every five seconds by either the radio team, or worse still, the people he was sent to kill

>>10228894
>No my name is Jennifer
Will always fucking crack me up. It was about the 3rd or 4tj time I played the game before I ran across her. I was so tense because I was playing hard mode iirc for the first time and she blurts out the fucking perfect tension breaker. Fantastic fucking game.

>>10228898
>It was the last one that was a game first
Second to last, but it's off-topic

>>10228898
>>10228898
>One of the few good things about Sons of Liberty is that we got to see Snake as something other than a drooling retard who needed the mission explained to him every five seconds by either the radio team, or worse still, the people he was sent to kill
I see your point but snake is a simulacra of big boss. Big boss was the perfect soldier, the one to defeat the boss, the greatest soldier in WW2. After the events of mgs3 big boss wasn't a puppet Anymore, or at least didn't want to be. So he started msf and became anti government. Solid Snake was the perfect soldier, the one to take down big boss, the greatest soldier to ever live. After the events of mgs1, solid snake started philanthropy the anti government group. Though, snake is a more morally sound individual both him and big boss eventually became obsessed with metal gears... Then you get Raiden which is not a clone but was solidus's favorite child soldier, who was chosen to be the metric for brainwashing soldiers with the sss. I think it's pretty great story telling minus a few plot holes.

>>10228902
I get where you're coming from, but it was more like the closest he got to ever making a real game again. Konami gave him $80mil and he made another openworld nontent generator with a Metal Gear paint job. He absolutely deserved to get fired

>>10228902
I get where you're coming from, but it was more like the closest he got to ever making a real game again. Konami gave him $80mil and he made another openworld nontent generator with a Metal Gear paint job. He absolutely deserved to get fired
>>10228914
I just don't like making the player character retarded to compensate for the literal retards in the audience. Even Raiden was spared from that because the A.I Colonel doubled as a tutorial dispenser

>>10228924
Naked/solid snake being mindless soldiers is integral to their growth as characters. Naked snake is so green in mgs3 but by the end hes a been hardened by experience and no longer wants to be a puppet for the elitist cabal. It's the motivation behind their actions.

>>10228914
except it happened the other way around, big boss was retconned to be a copy of solid snake.

>>10228931
You're mistaking Naked and Solid Snake in the story with the meta player character that is forced to ask incredibly stupid questions they should know the answer to. All for the sake of the (at the time) tiny portion of the audience who were too stupid to read the manual or watch the briefing. The worst example is Snake shouting "Metal Gear?! It can't be!" when in universe he just sat through a three hour briefing going over every last detail of the mission, which included details on Metal Gear Rex

>>10228940
>he just sat through a three hour briefing going over every last detail of the mission, which included details on Metal Gear Rex
There's not a single mention of a metal gear, in the briefing and the game itself, prior to that line. All Snake knows is that terrorists have a nuclear weapon.

>>10226678
>>The story doesn't really say anything
myeh, play it again and this time actually pay attention dumbdumb

>>10229496
>bros russia and china actually aren't bad and don't want to destroy the west!!!!!!
faggot shit

MGS1
>Simple, engaging plot; believable
>Enjoyable codec chats
>Too short
>Inconsistent gameplay

MGS2
>Dated but respectable subversion with Raiden
>Improved but flawed gameplay
>Absurd plot
>Deep ending commentary
>Essential but not enjoyable.

MGS3
>Unclear emotional stakes with The Boss
>Grindhouse elements
>Shagohod is stupid and has a stupid name
>Engaging codec chats
>Bioluminescent mushrooms.

MGS4
>Only played for closure
>Convoluted story
>Innovative gameplay
>I can't imagine geriatric Snake doing anything he does

>>10226597
It's pretty good but it's not the "HECKIN DEEP MISUNDERSTOOD MASTERPIECE" contrarian retards like >>10226620 and >>10226678 will pretend it is.
The truth is that it WAS overly hated for a while, but now it's massively overrated because of contrarians and Youtube video essay midwits claiming it's the best thing ever

>>10228924
>Konami gave him $80mil and he made another openworld nontent generator with a Metal Gear paint job. He absolutely deserved to get fired
brainlet take

>>10229551
Finally someone who gets it. It only became popular recently o /v/ because of chuddies having a boner for "le epic ahead of its time storyrino". And just like you say, it was overly hated because no one liked Raiden and the only way he became likeable in later games was after making him OOC.

>>10229551
>>10229684

>>10229684
>It only became popular recently
Anon, people have been sucking MGS2's dick for over a literal decade at this point.

>>10229684
It has nothing to do with being ahead of its time lol, the reaction it got AT THE TIME proves that the game was right. The retards bitching on GameFAQ's didn't realise the game was about them as they predictably whined about not playing as Snake.

>>10229701
>>10229703
>serious responses to low iq trannies
don't.

>>10229706
Sorry anon, I'm going to keep doing it. Engaging people with sincerity is better than only circlejerking with people who already agree with me and shitposting at people who don't.

>>10229549
sticky this now

>>10229549
MGSV
>Overtly-confusing, unsatisfying, schizo plot
>Kino gameplay, but barren open world
>No codec. Here's 10 hours of boring tapes instead
>You WILL spend dozens of hours researching and you WILL like it
>"Good, you captured it alive" [Gerbil] x4

>>10230524
>Kino gameplay, but barren open world
it surprises me how many people bitch about the open world when it's not supposed to be a typical open world game, it's built around freedom of approach to the missions instead of fucking around with an ubisoft collectathon
>No codec. Here's 10 hours of boring tapes instead
oh no you get to choose which codecs you listen to and when you listen to them instead of being forced out of gameplay while the game talks at you
I liked the schizo plot but never bothered with the ratcatching bullshit because what's the fucking incentive

>>10228658
>I think it's worse because it's a prequel in the stupid jungle. That's not MGS
It is however metal gear 1

>>10228924
>Konami gave him $80mil and he made another openworld nontent generator with a Metal Gear paint job.
It sold 3 million copies in 5 days, just because it fucked with what fans wanted out of a final entry doesn't mean the game didn't make a shitload of money.

>>10229549
>MGS4
Is absolutely fine, arguably the best game in the series if we lived in a perfect world where Act 3 didn't exist or at least wasn't a fucking escort mission followed up by like 50 minutes of cutscenes and a worse version of 3's bike chase

>>10230840
>escort mission
Sorry, I meant tailing mission.

>>10226597
gameplay-wise maybe
depends on if you prefer 1 and 2s more arcade-y feel or 3s slower more plodding realism and tension
3 was a lot more tense, but imo 2 was more fun

>>10230840
id say half the game was really quite good and the other half was really quite terrible
to say nothing of the abysmal writing
but the first 2 acts of 4 are great i agree
from act 3 on i can barely remember. mustve blocked it out

Every Kojima-made MGS is absolutely fine, and I think people are way too harsh on that autistic nip. I can't begin to imagine how soul-draining it must be to be stuck working on the same series for 30 years, wanting to leave it the fuck behind, but also knowing the corporation funding you know it generates too much money to leave it alone and being afraid of how they'd butcher it if you did.

>>10230858
Really? I thought act 4 was the best and not just because of Shadow Moses nostalgia baiting, but just because it does so many things right.

>>10227274
Incredible book, my favorite Don DeLillo book. Cool to see that in a MGS thread

>>10230865
it was certainly better than act3 but by then id soured on the game quite a bit
once ocelot starts explaining to me how he hypnotized himself into believing he was possessed by a hand, or whatever the actual fuck happens in MGS4 i can hardly remember desu, im out
MGS needs to have both its gameplay and writing working at all times otherwise the whole experience kinda folds in on itself imo

>>10230883
to clarify
like, if the gameplay is good but the writing is dumb, it becomes a decent stealth-action game but with huge fucking cutscenes that are just gibberish
and in the reverse scenaio you have an interesting, albeit weird, action movie, but suddenly im tediously following someone and then theres a huge shitty bossfight

know what i mean?
i dont remember a point like that, where one part or the other fell off, from 1 + 2. theyre just much more solid overall. prolly because he didnt plan on making any more after 2, so the writing comes off more phoned-in

>>10228935
wat

>>10230524
The advantage of V, at least on PC, is that you can mod out some of the weaker elements of the game. But it's not /vr/, so I won't go into detail.

>>10231035
NTA, but they may be referring to the fact that BB wasn't originally written as David's father. And then when he was, there was nothing about cloning and Les Enfants Terribles until later. So BB became more of a clone of Solid as a character, to fit how the latter is a biological clone of the former, I'm guessing.

>>10230870
i checked it out because James Ellroy said it inspired him to write American Tabloid, another awesome novel.

>>10226597
Depends on your opinion anon

>>10226597
Best Metal Gear game is MG2:Solid Snake

>>10230818
Metal Gear 1 doesn’t happen in a jungle. That’s 2. 1 is just a base crawl.