/vr/ - Retro Games

Noice. Luv' that Puzzle Kactcho.

>Quarth

I beat that game first time in 2 hours, how are they making an episode out of it

>>10172095
Never doubt Arino.

>>10172095
A GCCX episode is 1 hour :^)

They also made an episode out of Super Mario Land (and it was great)

>>10171852
>Game Center CX #295 - Quarth (AKA Block Hole) [LocationScouts]
Damn this episode is boring as fuck

>>10171852
Zank you, based goose!

>>10173974
It's the newer guys, not the geese.

Marchen Maze subs when?

>>10171852
I'm happy LS dropped the whole 'We're translating the title of the episode' shit they tried with the Legend of Valkyrie.
On the other hand, I'm getting a massive case of blue balls over the fact they haven't subbed Journey to Silius and when the CCs are there.
It had one of the funniest intros for a Tamage in the shows history.

I started watching season 14 this week, man the Paris Dakar Rally episode was great. The game seems so ridiculous and the reactions to what they had to do each different level was really fun.
I also quite like the 'Catch a Catch Copy' segment. Nakayama being awkward is always fun.

>>10174853
>the CCs are there
Where do you find captions for the episodes? I would be interested in using the show for Japanese practice.

>>10174887
Skye Raw's has them, you get them if you download the giant raw torrent.
As for what's left.
We got the 3 episodes of Super Mario RPG, 2 episodes of Earthbound (Which makes me doubt they'll sub this because they'd have to sub one episode themselves.) Meikyuu Jiin Dababa and Journey to Silius.
Then there's the rest of season 24.

>>10174896
>Skye Raw's has them, you get them if you download the giant raw torrent.
Neat, thank you.

>>10174853
>I'm happy LS dropped the whole 'We're translating the title of the episode' shit they tried with the Legend of Valkyrie.

They are still being translated, they just aren't included in the filenames.

I was just watching the Quarth episode and dozed off for a bit towards the end. It was okay.

>>10174896
>2 episodes of Earthbound
Are you saying two of those three episodes have CCs and one doesn't?

How much longer is arino gonna go for bros. Until he’s forced to retire? Do you think he has that fire in him?

>>10175734
>Until he’s forced to retire?
lol, tarento work well into their 80s if they're lucky enough to live that long

>>10175746
We can keep him alive…..we have the technology

>>10174896
> Which makes me doubt they'll sub this because they'd have to sub one episode themselves.
Why do you keep bitching about the fact that they’re translating episodes with Japanese subs? (I’m assuming it’s always you in these threads)

They subbed sonic 2 and spelunker which don’t have Japanese subtitles AFAIK

>>10174841
Is this spammer literally mentally ill?
Is TDS a real thing?

>>10176427
I think he's just doing it for a laff rather than being a real TDS sufferer.
Going to watch the LoZ OOT episodes later this week, heard they're a bit dry but I just finished the game myself recently so keen to see Arino tackle it.
Do you guys prefer watching him play games you've already beaten, or seeing games unseen?

>>10176483
Before I knew Japanese I was most interested in getting little translated previews of obscure untranslated games I thought I'd never get to play.
Now I'd rather go play those games myself and wait until after I've beaten them to watch Arino tackle them.

>>10176427
Why do /pol/tards like yourself always have to make everything about yourself and shit up threads?

>>10176483
most of the shit he plays is famicom kusoge that I wouldn't want to touch but it does occasionally happen that he plays a cool game I'd try out myself

>>10176483
He probably does it to filter the election tourists since anyone who actually watches the show knows the real context.
Not that it changes the fact that the staff probably hates trump, which is why they personally translated that line into English.

>Going to watch the LoZ OOT episodes later this week
Prepare to be disappointed.
But the good news with how the show works now, we'll never see another OoT shitshow again.

>>10176427
>Is TDS a real thing?
The Daily Show under John Stewart was the GOAT.
Trump on the other hand is a traitor and so are all his supporters.

Your whining also has nothing to do with video games or GCCX so start posting pics or GTFO

>Super Mario RPG
>Mother 2
>Dragon Quest

These annoy me since they were boring, and they took up a whopping 8 episode slots for 3 games, and we could have gotten literally anything else instead.

I think there'd be some games that would work better as mini-corners than full challenges, like those Astrology PlayStation games with Ogawa-sama. Lord knows they've had some dogshit mini-corners lately (Basically anything with Kibe).

>Animal Crossing N64

Arino sets up a village, while others talk about the game and its history.

>Vib Ribbon

Famous game music creates challenging new courses in this cross over!

>Pocket Sonar

Kibe and Arino go fishing with the Gameboy Pocket Sonar. They can make up some fishing story and characters to roleplay as. Any major Fishing anime/manga to parody?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mHSHmk_UU4

>>10181705
The translation teams clearly agree with you.

>>10182242
>Pocket Sonar
This could be interesting, the problem is there's no guarantee they'll catch anything and Arino being solo with Kibe will probably end up being boring.

As for fishing anime, Tsuri Baka Nisshi and Tsurikichi Sanpei

>>10183307
>Fishing guys segment
>Arino and an AD attempt to catch fish using the Pocket Sonar
>inbetween they discuss and show Fishing video games throughout gaming history
>this is setup on a pier so they can have a tv and fish at the same time

Would that work? Using retro game equipment as intended is interesting.

>>10175859
NTA but probably because they're more likely to do these eps rather than those without
I worked with a group that did that... most groups probably does that nowadays. Aegisubs has a function to easily edit subs while letting you see the original line and the timing is mostly already done
Without means you have to time everything yourself which is a huge pain in the ass that nobody wants to do nowadays

>>10183847
>Without means you have to time everything yourself which is a huge pain in the ass that nobody wants to do nowadays

Always felt AI would be ideal for timing since they do that already. Helps with the work tremendously.

>>10183774
>Using a sonar off a pier

>>10183872
It's been tried recently and it's really, really not up to par. Timing is not very good and transcription is completely unintelligible
That was however, a year or so ago, so who knows how much it advanced since then, if it even did

>>10183872
I'm still surprised people don't just use AI made subs and then just proofread and edit the gibberish part.
The TMNT episode was basically halfway finished with AI.

>>10184007
You still need to know Japanese to recognize the many lines that may have come through in proper English but are actually completely wrong translations. It's probably less work to translate from scratch than to bother with that.

>America! Ōdan Ultra Quiz: Shijō Saidai no Tatakai

I think it's time for another America trip, and I have just the perfect game for it. :)

>>10184062
>You still need to know Japanese to recognize the many lines that may have come through in proper English but are actually completely wrong translations.

>>10184062
>You still need to know Japanese to recognize the many lines that may have come through in proper English but are actually completely wrong translations.
Doubt.jpg

>>10184786
Doubt what? You still can't use DeepL for translations, which is pretty much currently the best online translator, unless you actually have a mastery of the language. Even on something like French > English it will shit out something wrong or not quite right 30-40% of the time and it gives you something fucked up with Japanese > English about 70-85% of the time... In the context of subs
The issue with subs of shows is that the translator has no fucking context for a lot of things happening, so it's way more wrong than if you put a book snippet or online news, which is usually written in the cleanest way possible

Why do nips like kuwizu games so much, do they just sit on the park bench quizzing each other all day? They even jammed it into a fucking shmup, hey you got a power-up quick what’s the capital of Missouri

This show plus gaki no tsukai makes me want to learn some Japanese and got me interested in Japan more than any anime weeb crap ever did.

>>10185990
Same here. I used to watch the gccx streams in the background for listening practice 24/7 before it got taken down.
Way easier to learn the language when it’s something inherently interesting to you

>the sanctuary

The only thing that comes to mind is the Saint Seiya game. If they’re gonna do more quirky PS2 games go for it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SS8A98p5hpg

>>10171852
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjX_wHc9MPQ

This livestream starts in about four hours.

>>10187681
Didn't they do a DVD live stream already? What's different this time? And what were they livesteraming on before youtube? Was it some niconico site?

>>10187686
They've done these streams usually near the end of the year lately. Last year was on this anniversary channel too and the recap from the previous year, which I think had been on the fanclub before or something.

>>10187681
>no ogawa
>old guy in a One Piece hat

what gives?

>>10187681
what md game is this?

>>10188051
Ichidant-R.

>>10188051
Ichidant-R

>>10188058
>>10188060
I take it Arino-sama was not able to clear it then?

>>10188061
who's the cutie pie?

>Ogawa corrects Arino
>it's right

Based Ogawa-san

>>10187681
Ogawa in overalls HNNGGG

>>10188079
I took a few shots.

>>10188079
Based Sailor Mars appreciator.

Iv'e been saying for years, Western women's fashion has been in total decline in the last 15 years. They used to dress pretty normal, but it's getting worse and worse and worse. They need to look to east Asia to see how to dress cute, while still retaining classy and feminine.

>>10188018
That's Director Fujimoto. He's always in these things.

>>10188083

>>10187681
>Without spoiling the exact details, the stream included a baby announcement by a popular staff couple from the show.

I missed this part. Was it Matsui and Fukutomi?

>>10188339
Confirmed this, the announcement was before the challenge started.

Using hte power of save states, Arino-san beat the game!

>>10188352
ADs have been used as IRL savestates&cheats forever anyway

>>10188428
They spent 3 hours on the last level with save states. Is it really that hard? It seems like nonsense.

>>10187035
Stream still exists anon.

"Not gccx"

I don't really like giving it away tho so it doesn't get taken down again

>>10189220
Then don't, faggot.

>>10189530
It will probably be fine for this one thread just dont spam it

Office ladies…

Just started, on season 2 training camp, when toujima showed up again what a bro moment

>>10190557
>Reddit frog

Ogawa so cute.

Arino uses a Sharp Aquos LC-19K3

What do CRTfags think about that?

>>10191007

>>10192302
I'm still not quite sure why they use that particular monitor all the time. Is it a good compromise between the look/input lag and ease of capturing?

>>10192480
Japanese people don't care about input lag or how games look.

>>10174841
DO you always have to post the same fucking thing you dumb fucktard piece of shit

>>10192302
>>10192480
Watch Pizza Pop episode. He has dot crawl from playing on composite, and comb filter artifacts from converting a 240p signal into 480i. The only positive about the monitor is the Aquos series is designed to minimize lag using what they call "vyper drive", whatever the fuck that is. My guess is they are using this because it was the lowest lag monitor they could find after they couldn't find CRTs anymore.

>>10192732
Ah interesting. Do you think they'd have trouble finding CRTs though? Even just a regular autist like me could find two broadcast quality monitors with pass-through about ten years ago for like $500. Surely a TV station would have access or, or at least resources to find anything they needed if they wanted?
Some of the games they have on the show are probably rarer than a decent CRT that would serve their purpose.

>>10192915
Maybe they tried it and no one on the crew knew how to video a CRT without constant rolling lines down the picture.

>>10192915
I suspect Japan shed their CRT TV's faster than the west did.

>>10192732
>>10192915
>#244 Aug. 3, 2017 Mad City (The Adventures of Bayou Billy)
Not subbed yet, but they brought in a CRT like 2/3 of the way through this episode for the light gun part.

>>10193051
Professional monitors/TVs had pass through, so I doubt that's it.

>>10193185
You might be right, especially later on in the show. Early seasons CRTs were probably still common but they got phased out quickly.

>>10193206
Yeah, they did it for House of the Dead on Saturn too. Funnily enough, Arino says 'I think I'd be much better at this with a light gun' since he'd been playing on pad the whole time. They bring in a CRT for him, and he does badly and requests to change back to pad, lol.

>>10193206
>>10193747
>couldn't pass the light gun sections in Bayou Billy/Mad City until they brought in a CRT and the light gun
>ended up playing worse with the CRT and light gun on House of the Dead
The duality of the Kacho.

Another thing to keep in mind, any professional operation has every incentive to use current and easily replaced hardware. CRT would be better, but then they need to constantly be on the hunt for good condition CRTs that still work so the moment it goes down it can be replaced. They are already at the mercy of old consoles and cartridges suddenly going tits up on them, they probably don't want another failure point to worry about. Better to have new and current hardware that you can buy spares of easily.

>>10194076
>They are already at the mercy of old consoles and cartridges suddenly going tits up on them
I have no idea how they manage to play any Famicom Disk System games at all.

The show lost so much soul when they moved to the new room after the 10th anniversary

Assuming everyone can source a CRT is inherently ableist and classist

>>10192703
He could use the sound version of that scene.

>>10192915
>>10193185
>>10193747
ironically Japan is the country that made the best CRTs

>>10194076
>Another thing to keep in mind, any professional operation has every incentive to use current and easily replaced hardware
Super true and something I didn't think about. They'd be fucked if they had to rely on CRT for consistency and then one broke down on them.

Saint swigs?

The Vietnam episode is so fucking boring and bad even though other trips were so much fun. Wow, people are playing counter strike in an internet café and kids play Wii together? Such amazing foriegn culture!!!
All while Arino sucks even more than usual because it's the first time in his half he touches a computer.

Even the game they picked to play makes for a bad episode.

>>10196373
It was like he was sneering at those poor Vietnamese who'd rather not game on a console.

>>10196634
>>10196373
The scene at the house was so awkward, it was like Kan had Arino hired to be a clown for a rich kid's party.

The other N64 first and second party games are almost all guaranteed and they will like do them every other season.

>Mario golf
>Mario tennis
>pilotswings 64
>super Smash Bros

Personally think they are a tad bit Boring.

>>10197385
N64 games done so far:

>mario 64
>Ocarina of Time
>F-Zero X
>Densha de Go! 64
>Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
>Pokémon Snap
>Mario Kart 64

There's more first party games than I thought. Granted, if they're gonna do a Snowboarding game, it's likely gonna be 1080 Snowboarding. If they're gonna do a 3D fighting game, likely Smash Bros, a tennis game Mario Tennis, etc.

https://www.nintendolife.com/guides/best-first-party-n64-games

Somebody needs to translate de Earthworm Jim episode.

>>10197487
Why do they not just translate these in order

>>10197487
>>10197613
mmm not possible, Earthworm Jim was written by a chud and therefore translators can't give a platform to such hateful game.

>>10197675
Don’t tell me translation groups are full of Them too

>>10197613
Doing it all in order makes sense for shows that have some meaningful progression between episodes, but that doesn't really apply here unless you're really into the staff changes or the Kibe segments.

Regular translations dwindled so the backlog became huge over time. When newer groups appeared there were a lot of episodes to choose from so translators picked ones they liked, either because they were great episodes or they liked the game or whatever. Some of the more boring or high effort episodes naturally got shafted.

EWJ in particular has a reputation as a meh episode, despite the weird theories associated with it. Klonoa also had a bad reputation but it actually got translated recently. It may have been CCed though, and I've seen worse episodes.

>>10197682
I guess I don’t follow along enough with the Game Center drama, earthworm Jim and Klonoa have bad reputations? The game or the episodes? And CC being close captioned? The email field?

>>10197690
>The game or the episodes?
The episodes.
>And CC being close captioned
Yeah. As far as I understand it, the group making releases as of late has been basing timing and translations to an extent on the supplied closed captions. So they'll basically do episodes they can get with captions, such as Klonoa.

IIRC the criticism of the Klonoa episode was that it was edited in a way that spent a lot of time on cutscenes and story and much less on actual gameplay.

>>10197709
>IIRC the criticism of the Klonoa episode was that it was edited in a way that spent a lot of time on cutscenes and story and much less on actual gameplay.

They've done that for all the story heavy PS/SS era games. Resident Evil 1, 2, Metal Gear Solid.

If they do MGS2 I hope they introduce the cardboard boxes to Arino as it's entirely possibly he never used them. They did it for the promo gag, yet not ONCE did he use it in-game!

>>10197714
I don't really like Klonoa, but I did enjoy the episode.

>I think you're having trouble in this section, arino
>oh you think so, rarararara [muffled spectator laughter]
>yes you need to become more connected with snake
>you should wear this
>ad hands arino a cardboard box with a big hole in the front to see through

>>10197679
They are like digital Jews at this point, you know they're everywhere in the online world.

>>10197742
>>10197679
>>10197675
Are you that faggot who tried to translate the episode and then gave up before you even reached the first segment?

Also news flash, Earthworm Jim was a boring episode. Don't fall into the Ocarina of Time trap, but given you're already injecting your politics into a apolitical show about video games. that's too late.

>>10197682
Interesting enough, Klonoa doesn't have CC looking at the big torrent, so unless LS has access to CC that haven't been released yet, they translated it the old fashion way.

>>10197983
Nice

do all recent eps use those fancy subs? Only about 30% of this stuff works correctly on my TV, it's quite annoying. Either they don't show up at all or they're completely broken.

What's wrong with plain old normal subs ffs

>>10199356
THE OLD BALL AND CHAIN LET ME GO WATCH GCCX YESTERDAY I SEE SOME YOUNGUNS WERE WATCH THEYRE FANCY SUBS
I JUST TOLD THEM BACK IN MY DAY YOU DIDNT NEED ALL THAT TRASH
SHOWED THEM HOW YOU DO IT WHEN YOU HAVE A REAL MANS HARDSUB IN A MANS JAPENESE TV SHOW

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LETS GO BRANDON!

>>10199356
how are you playing the video files?

>>10199363
i giggled like an idiot reading this

How can a many play Super Famicom games for 20 years and not go insane? the retrospective period on the retro game is 4 times longer than the time the console was even out! 1983-2003 is 20 years. 2003 to 2023 is 20 years.

>>10200916
Because unlike the PS5, the Super Famicom has games.

watching TMNT from last week's broadcast, it's pretty funny. Arino trying to read the comic book blurbs is funny, as are his reactions. Go! Aritello!

>>10200684
I think I figured it out, I checked another episode and the fancy subs did show up, all with their glorious fancy fonts, bold and colours. There must be something wrong with the subs in those other eps.

>>10200916
>How can a many play Super Famicom games for 20 years and not go insane?

Do you know what board you're on?

Or maybe you do.

Rash was huge in Japan so I must be some rights hold-up preventing it.

>>10200916
Retro gaming is strictly his job. He doesn't play retro games on his off time, has a family to focus on, takes vacations, etc.

If you notice he maintains a no uniform, no business (retro gaming) policy.

>>10202439
He is a casual gamer, and owned a Wiiu, 3DS, and Switch, and will mention what he's been playing. Mostly it's Mario shit or something like that. One time he mentioned taking 1 month to beat Biohazard 4 which makes me wonder if they're gonna challenge it? Maybe ask him to do a clean Professional run in a single outing?

>>10171852
Is there a batch torrent with everything that has been subbed to date?

>>10202995
https://nyaa.si/view/1345577
This is still the most recent one for now. Get individual subs newer than this either from the torrent description or in the latest subs paste in the OP.

>>10203120
Thanks!

>>10202995
https://pastebin.com/sXHZHYyN

>>10203527
>Several files have been re-encoded to save space, without loss of quality, and some English subtitles have been burned in.
Eh...
>This also contains the rare "Pokémon Red & Green (Part 1)" episode.
I wouldn't call that rare. The translation was widely ignored for being so bad like with the second Captain Tsubasa game.

>>10171852
Tsuppari Oozumou next week.

>>10204036
OH great more famicom jank.

>>10204146
I would look forward to the staff verses section, but they've been total trash since they didn't invite Inoko MAX back for the last wrestling challenge and Nakayama didn't come back for the the last SNK fighting game.
This current group is just boring.

This segment is saving the IQ Cube episodes for me (I didn't even finish them, such a bore, and Arino sucks at it so much despite the "puzzle kacho" narrative they try to show down the audiance's throat), but I don't even know what game it is

>>10204984
IQ Cube was a dog shit challenge, what the fuck were they thinking making it a 2 parter?

>>10204984
> Season 19 Mini Corner 1: "DJ Monster" - Arino places bets on Monster Rancher fights featuring scans from pairs of J-POP songs.

The Pastebin shows what the mini corners are. And yeah, the most creative and interesting corners are the ones where they actually use retro games in their intended manner. Also this is why I don't agree with the concept that you should sub the eps by the game, as the mini-corners and side segments are just as interesting if not more. I originally saw the show as "Let's Play game challenge and other shit" then after a bit I realized it's a Variety show, and "Arino's Challenge" is just one segment among many.

My favorite mini-corners:

>"DJ Monster" - Monster Rancher
>"The Hall of Fortune-Telling Games" - Astrology PlayStation games
>"Barcode Gambler"
>"Quiz Famionaire"
>"KACHO × FAMILY"

wait you guys actually get butthurt when arino does bad at a game? the hell are you watching the show for?

>>10200916
The famicom shit is way worse than the super famicom not sure what you’re talking about

>>10204036
Fuck yeah more famicom jank

>>10205340
>>10205359
I legit think they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for the Famicom, while I think there's at least 50 top Sufami games to challenge. New York Nyankies? Gremlines 2? They're picking weird ass games.

I can only think of like 10 more good FC they have yet to challenge.
>Moon Crystal
>Metal Gear
>Simon's Quest
>Cocoron
>Ducktails
>Little Nemo
>Lil samson
>bionic commando
>Battle of Olympus
>Castle of Dragon

>>10205369
Maybe they move on to more saturn and PS1 too? How much of the PCE have they realistically covered as well? Although theres tons of shooters and we all know how that goes

>>10205407
They could do a playstation and saturn platformer each season and never run out. I do think they need to do a few more 5th gen and 6th gen. But the show is aimed at Japanese and Japanese nostalgia is built around FC/SFC. Saturn and PCE had cult followings but nowhere near as big as those two. mega Drive was basically nothing.

>>10205432
Oh I agree with the cult status of FC/SFC, I'm just saying eventually you literally run out of shit to play, at least on the famicom. Are they going to do 3 years of Mahjong and horse racing?

shit they might, I hope I didn't manifest that saying it

>>10205437
They're doing a lot of those "adventure" focused 3D games on PS1/PS2, and they don't make very good challenges. At least the way they show them. Lots of focus on cutscenes which they show off, and you kinda can't fail if you just keep blasting forward. Mario 64 and other collectathons have this issues too. Resident Evil 2, Ico, MGS, end up being lackluster challenges when some jank 2D game like China Warriors ends up being hilarious and fun because it's so stupid.

I think they did the last season of almost entirely Mega Drive games with only a single SFC game as a bit of an experiment. I would like to see a PCE season next. They have a LOT of platformer jank.

>>10205437
The show could be all Famicom for 10 more years and they wouldn't even run out of interesting games to play

>>10205467
I think they've exhausted most of the most notable platformers, and those are the most interesting to challenge. Granted, they have endless amounts of rpgs, strategy games, sim games, sports games, mahjong games, horse games, board games, etc but are those fun to actually play? I think them hitting shit like New York Nyankies shows they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Hense why we saw a M3 (master system) game in ages, and that whole season of 80% Mega Drive.

Now personally? I'd love at least one more Horse betting episode since those are neat but I am likely in the minoriyt.

Also if you want more variety, make a suggestion here and there.

>>10205369
You forgot Mega Man 6.

>>10205479
On the plus side, pretty much every major franchise ever has a decent arc game. You need to get the rights though. Considering they have done Batman, TMNT, Sailor Moon they will probably do them.

>>10205437
your bad for not liking riichi and keiba

someday they'll make Arino do doom, but I hope it's the PlayStation version so he isn't stuck playing on SFC. Or maybe he should get a 3DO, I can't remember if that version is unplayable or not.

>>10206628
Frame rate issues and possible motion sickness and too. Moody. What is a fps that is more likely?

>>10204993
Honestly I think it was because they pushed the "Puzzle Chief - No! Puzzle Manager!!" narrative so hard they just had to have him beat the game no matter how long it took; couldn't admit the whole "puzzle chief" is just made up BS to make it look like he doesn't suck at everything.

>>10205320
watching him suck at a puzzle game is far less interesting than watching him suck at action games. For action games it can be funny, for puzzle games it just comes out as "god, what an idiot"

>>10207949
Angel Ogawa coming in and accurately counting during that minigame was a lot of fun. Maybe they should let her do puzzle games?

>>10188079
she looked so cute in those
also sexo

what was that other japanese /vr/ show that had two, maybe three guys? i'm trying to remember the name but all i can think of is tokyo SOS, which isn't right.

>>10210336
Tokyo Encounter

>>10210362
yes

>>10206751
>What is a fps that is more likely?

>>10208126
I'm guessing they'll do Panel de Pon again as the secret game for the event in October. Kibe freaking out and Ogawa giving frantic orders.

>>10206628
>lives in the arino never played doom timeline
damn must suck