/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
A SERIOUS CASE OF /vr/
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9611263/#9611406

=== FINISH LINE ===
FORE/VR/ ALONE (Submissions closed)
Link to BETA3: https://files.catbox.moe/u9smv4.zip

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9941667/#q9941720

=== NEVER EVER ===
94 Protons Of /vr/ Weapons Demo >>10155281 >>10144443

=== NEWS ===

[8-19]How to create new maps on Quake 2 Remastered, first video is out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDyfpSgnjDc

[8-19]Lost Civilization 2 for Doom 2 is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/139300-lost-civilization-2-the-desolation/

[8-19] Digital Foundry's analysis on Quake 2 Remake is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck3pqrTAphs

[8-19] 100 lines limitation mapset, anon would like a feedback
>>10158610

[8-12] WIP Perfect Dark Port For PC Released
https://github.com/fgsfdsfgs/perfect_dark

[8-10] Quake II Kex-based remaster released
https://bethesda.net/en/article/6NIyBxapXOurTKtF4aPiF4/enhancing-quake-ii

[8-10] Quake II 25th Aniversary Collaborative Unit - v1.0 released
https://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/Quake225ACU.zip

[8-10] Q-Type DM (Q1 Themed DM Pack for Doom 2)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/139030

[8-10] Deathmatch Dimension added to officially curated Q1 mods
https://mods.silver.quakeapi.com/dmd.pak

[8-10] BTSX E3 demo released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104557

[8-10] Titan 1.0 released (Doom 2016 weapons)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXjNuFytqYI

[8-09] Tribute Quilt released
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/Ports/s-u/tributequilt

[8-08] The Rotting Jam for Quake is out
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/rotting-jam.254/

[8-08] Doom RL Arsenal Extended 1.1 released, with new classes and unlockables.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1243536#p1243536


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TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

First.

xth for whens fore/vr/ alone

I have been playing Quake 2 Remastered.

>>10171480
STILL GOING. 7/16

>>10171530
>hate ports shills
good

>>10171540
Whoa I crashed. I think that's gg for now. I have to go grocery shopping. Next game will probably use a Quakeworld client for better performance pingwise. Thanks for joining.

>>10171608
Thanks for hosing. I never played multiplayer quake before.

>>10171608
ggs

>>10171608
can they be more zer games? that was pretty fun

>>10171608
I see now why NetQuake fell out of favor, but I got mostly used to the movement after a minute. Great time. I don't know if any Quakeworld clients support mods outside of Team Fortress.

Okay, how many of you can honestly say that you figured this level's secret out on the first try? It may have taken me twenty-something minutes of staring at the map before I realized that the teleporter was bullshit meant to misdirect you, but I still did it motherfucker. I've got you figured out now Evilternity!

>>10171425
Looking good anon. I meant to reply, just was dming.

>>10171638
I think modern Quakeworld clients can play anything that doesn't heavily rely on some quirk of Netquake physics. Then again, I might just be thinking of FTE.

>>10170572
Trying some punchem replacement sprites for the Deathstrider. I'd like to slice things for a change and the only other knife is magical.
>>10171530
>remaster damage better
>railgun bad
oh man some mixed signals here

>>10171530
>railgun bad

>>10171530
>dumb vore

>>10171638
ezquake didn't work anyway. Something about a recursive error when attempting to host.
>>10171719
I forgot about FTE. That might be worth checking.

>>10171538
Honestly if Nightdive went ham on Q2R it makes me wonder what they're planning for SiN since that was kind of a wonk ass and buggy game

>>10171638
Is the movement in the Quake remaster (and other ports I guess) different from the original releases?

>>10171742
>Shoot berserker with Railgun
>It does its new bullshit jump attack
>I disintegrate it mid-air with another shot because I downloaded the classic Railgun damage mod
This is the real reason why they nerfed the RG. It is the perfect counter to that obnoxious broken nonsense.

i think this quake 2 remaster has soured me on quake as a whole

>>10171808
Can't relate.

>>10171815
i dont think i will be playing quake at all any more

>>10171817
Quan't relate.

>>10171815
Same. Just taking a short break after going through everything.

>>10171530
>retarded chainsaw nightmare
>nobody crouch remember monster
>might making nice
>bitch key
>post gun

*drinks the knob*

>>10171931
Stop hogging the turkeyknob, bro!

>>10171530
>shambler retarded
Rude.

>>10171756
>Oh no! This Quad Damaging guy just electrocuted our altar
>Surely jumping down in front of him will teach him a lesson!

>>10171530
>full wads ass wad
Enough of the single maps.

>>10171736

I only played Quake 2 once a long while ago, how bad is the Railgun nerf in the remake?

>>10172203
You feel it on a few of the stronger enemies like the gladiators. Also, since enemies seem to have ultra sonar detection you can't get an easy huge double damage kill on a lot of things. Still, it's very usable. I didn't feel like it became a useless trash weapon while I was doing my singleplayer/coop runs.

>>10171785
Nightdive probably were so dedicated to Quake 2's re-release because of SiN. Who knows if they have good enough relationship with id to use all that work they've done here for Reloaded though.
I would assume that the answer is "yes", but who really knows what Zenimax would have to say about it or if Microsoft decides to be more proactive here.

>>10172203
Real bad, it's weaker than the full Super Shotgun blast. And even the future change to 125 damage is not really going to help matters, because it's still too low. If anything, Railgun needs buffing in SP. Just check >>10168346.

>>10172203
It's no longer a workhorse weapon in the later half of the game, more of a special-use one. Anybody trying to tell you it's useless is a hypersweat who needs to be put down, though.

Whenever I start poking at the Zaero source for porting to Q2R, I find myself thinking of minor quibbles and edge cases.

>the sonic cannon doesn't telegraph that it's a charge weapon very well, maybe I should have it mess with the firing sound as it charges up?
>since putting Zaero in the remaster means that expansion shit is present too, should the flares blow out the IR Goggles? makes logical sense and flares are pretty shitty on their own
>do flares affect the cameras you can look through with the Visor? (this at least can be checked by booting up regular Zaero and engineering a situation)

>>10168346

B-b-b but you can't take it into account on its own. It has high burst d-d-damage and you c-c-can peak with it

Fuck these assholes trying to spoil this game.

Where is the anon (>>10159047) who said he'd play >>10158610 after work? Have I missed their feedback?

>Q2 Kex remake made me try out the updated QuakeUlf's anniversary mappack again
>Guggenheim's new map has broken lighting - plays like it's out of power in all places without the white lamps, also there's a "bluesky1" texture missing and the Sentien monster entity is missing, even if I copypaste the Zaero .pak into the Quake25unit folder and reload the map

>>10172332
That's like trying to play Nehahra with Quakespasm. All new content must be coded again for remaster. You can't just start playing mods without editing them to be compatible with remaster.

>>10172332
Are you trying to run it on Kex? Just adding Zaero's .pak should work on classic, so long as the numbering is right (25ACU's pak goes last), but Kex is incompatible with anything that needs a modified game DLL.

>>10172283
New content will be eventually ported to source ports, so soon it will not even matter. Soon you cab play Q2 64, CotM and fixed GZ on Yamagi with the old good railgun.

>>10172343
>with the old good railgun.
Or you could jut download the railgun patch from Q2 Nexus and not have to wait.

>>10172339
bad comparison, Nehahra had a custom engine. this is more like running Beyond Belief, even the most basic mods will break.

>>10172339
>>10172340
Nope, I'm using YamagiQ2 - there's just a white diamond in the place where it should be silently shooting at me untill I'll kill it, will see if the same problem occurs in vanilla Q2.exe sometime later.
also were those missing secret count flags for those well-hidden Trap and Adrenaline items fully intentional?

>>10172353
Weird, I know it worked with KMQ2.

>>10172332
guggegeim made that obviously to trigger only with kmq2

>>10172283
1 minute is pointless, what monster needs one minute to die? Not even bosses if you quad them. Do that for 10 seconds instead.

Ashes prequel spinoff thing announcement, just some screenshots at the moment.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/ashes-2063/news/announcing-ashes-hard-reset
More importantly, goblin DLC for Hedon confirmed beyond that one screenshot Zan posted on Xwitter a while back.

Any news on the Turok 3 front?

>>10172424
KMQ2 didn't worked with this mod last time I played it - such a strange state of affairs, is that also why the Tactician Gunner has no custom skins?
I think the missing texture is supposed to be transparent, that's probably why all those areas where it's the ceiling were so poorly lit in that level.
>Gaelanite Geofront map STILL has those 2 enemies that refuse to spawn, barring you from 100% kills as previously

>>10172469
>KMQ2 didn't worked with this mod last time I played it
The only issue I've had with KMQ2 running the 25A unit is not seeing the BFG Gladiator, and I'm not sure if that's because it was busted, I was playing on the wrong difficulty, or I danced with them so much that they never got to fire.

>>10172352
Beyond Belief didn't have custom monsters.

>>10172451
Maybe at Realms Deep.

>>10172574
yes, but it had custom progs.
imagine you simply fixed the rotfish bug, and now your map can't run in Quakespasm. that's the KexQ2 situation.
Nehahra is a special case, only really comparable to RMQ

Doom newbie almost (I think) done with Doom 2 here. I think overall I liked Doom 1 a lot more. 2's got plenty of atmosphere and the levels are a lot bigger, but a lot of them feel kind of fucking annoying as a result. I hate when I die after playing for 15 minutes and have to restart the whole thing (I'm not savescumming). And it's usually to stupid stuff like "oops we turned the lights off and spawned a really strong enemy and you accidentally got a berserker pack without realizing it, hope you have time to swap to a real weapon before it kills you! chaingunners in the distance btw lol" but I'm still gonna finish it just for completion's sake. I dunno, dying in 1 never felt really frustrating at all to me.
Looking forward to jumping into WADs after this.

>>10172339
>>10172352
>nehahra mentions
Nice. Nehahra has a big place in my heart, mostly because I appreciate the dedication of making a 4hour machinima in the year 2000 to set up their unofficial expansion. I listen to it whenever I drive to visit my folks for Thanksgiving.
And also it's cool to see Bal's early work. Your Last Cup of Sorrow is still one of my favorite levels ever. Just sucks it's a annoying to get running again.

>>10172582
You can't really compare KexQ2 to Quakespasm. You are forgetting that KexQ1 exist and had quite poor mod support too. Don't use remaster for mods. Wait that the source ports get the remaster updates instead.

>>10171808
That sucks. Quake 2 isn't as fluid or as fun as the original, especially with the kinds of mods Quake 1 has. Don't be put off by the generic marine shooting alien cyborgs, try something like Arcane Dimensions for Quake 1 and see how good the series can actually be.

>>10172529
Copper is not that bad once you realize how chill Spawns get thanks to its AI tweaks, not to mention that RoS get reworked into an useful powerup

>>10172640
If he was put off by Q2 he doesn't deserve Q1, don't feed the troll.

>>10172339
Interesting. I wanted to play it someday. So if you can't run it on a source port what is it? Some modified WinQuake?

Is it me or is Ground Zero much tougher than the main game? I'm actually dying now, and having to save often because I never know if I'm going to enter a room with a carefully arranged firing squad waiting for me.
Even The Reckoning wasn't that bad.

>>10172641
Yeah, Copper isn't the worst Quake mod out there, it's just annoying how a certain group keep pushing it as "the only way to play Quake" these days. It'd be like if Brutal Doom suddenly took over Doomworld.

>>10172648
Ground Zero is made by Rogue. Rogue are sadists, their stuff is always harder, same with Q1.

>>10172648
Ground Zero takes forever to give you a power shield, so you're much more starved for health and armor compared to the base game and Reckoning.

Alright, anon... Pitch me your mod idea.

>>10172213
Really a shame.
With this nerf, I barely use it except to kill low end enemies.
The HyperBlaster is quite useful against shielded enemies and the tank tho

>>10172637
KexQ1 could run Violent Rumble from minute 1 (with minor problems, like red/international text).
and I wasn't the one who brought up QS first.
>>10172647
it had custom engines included with the mod. some don't really work anymore, but bjpNehQuake had updates years later. other engines had support added to them (Fitz MarkV, ReQuiem), but they're not very up-to-date either. FTE might run it, never tried that.

>>10172641
Ring of Shadows is cool in vanilla and the change is one of the worst things about copper.

>>10172671
Thank you for the clarification. Gonna check how Win 7 handles those custom engines first.

>>10172662
Give the cyberdemon treatment to everyone: the demons having raided the UAC military equipment, every demon has a weapon as well as their normal attack, and drop ammo for that weapon. Stronger corrupted weapons may drop from elite demons that have more health and use said stronger weapons.

>>10172647
I copied this info few years ago from somewhere and it helped me:
>Download nehahra.zip, extract only the "nehahra" folder into your /Quake directory. >Download Mark V, put it into your /Quake folder, and then the fmod.dll from the same page and put it into /nehahra folder.
>Run Mark V with -nehahra command line argument.

>>10172662
/vr/ does UDMF in Ashes
using Hunter Hunted textures
accompanied by Last Rites soundtrack

>>10172609
Just save. You are still learning. If you don't save, you are gonna end up hating lot of wads. Even the most hc players don't go saveless, when still playing blind.

Also most older wads expect you to save. Saveless playing was only a speedrunner thing until it became mainstream on last decade. The bad side of the trend was that many newbs ended hating harder wads, because of that. So just save, dude. Also you are completely fine when playing modern wads on hmp or hntr until you are ready. They are much harder than vanilla.

>>10172706
Thank you, saved.

>>10172662
Schizo Duke
It's Duke Nukem 3D, but Duke NEVER stops talking about esoteric and absurd shit. He randomly starts yelling or laughing for no reason. Sometimes he repeats the same sentence five times in a row.

>>10172749
hey that's not nice to Caleb

>>10172719
Eh, I've made it to level 28, at this point I might as well keep going saveless at least for doom 2. It's pretty satisfying when I finally do beat a stage, but I'll definitely do that when I start on harder wads.

>>10172751
>t.

From Nightdive discord quake channel
https://streamable.com/tw0njx

Guys,I've been out of the doom loop for quiiiite a while,saw voxel doom and wanted to play some vanilla'ish WADs I have not beaten yet with some punchier looking/sounding weapons. Any new stuff I should look into or old stuff I don't remember anymore that you think that would complement well?

>>10172783
So did some random niggur just do this for keks, or is this unironically what they're doing instead of reverting that retarded nerf?

>>10172792
Paril doing it for keks
Also it turns out doing that triggers the railgun shot sound ad infinite.

>brutality devs add a flashlight
>it shuts off on its own after several seconds

>>10172609
>(I'm not savescumming)
Uh... you do know that saving a little every now and then isn't "savescumming", right? I swear this place has scrambled a few brains sometimes.

>>10172797
um its called a FLASH light for a reason

>>10172783
This is what Quakeworld players really believe.

>>10172706
Thats how I used to run it, as QsS doesn't handle all that well, and other old mods honestly do run better on Mark5

>>10172681
Please stop pretending to be Alf, or even worse - a ChatGPT bot, thank you very much

>>10172389
>>10172357
Dbase.bsp is tough as shit on Hard, especially at the start, I got forced to use the Blaster and preserve those stray barrels at the most convinient of moments for the first time in forever...
I love it, especially the HL1-style elevator itself a homage to Akira

>>10172783
>not ripping-off RedFaction1 or the WODX mod and having the RG pierce-thru any doors and walls thinner than a small crate

>instantly shoots you for 63 damage
>teehee whoopsie *autistically flails hitler*
>ignores hitstun and instantly shoots you for another 63 damage
thank you john very cool

>>10172662
I've had an idea for Quake mod brewing in my head for some time now. Basically the concept is to try and think of what direction it could take today. For some reason, "somewhat slower, Hexen-like singleplayer only" jam is what makes the most sense in my head.
The main gimmick of the mod would've been Runes and mana that allow player to use alternate attacks for specific weapons:
>Black Magic: Vampirism via Axe.
>Elder Magic: Ranged attack for Mjolnir.
>Hell Magic: less delay for Shotguns.
>Earth Magic: Lava Nails.
The only "new" weapons would be aforemention hammer and Railgun (like in Violent Rumble and that skin from Champions).
As for the narrative, it would pick things up after all the Mission Packs with me committing the crime of trying to use whatever Champions seemed to setup in my eyes.
In terms of enemies and locals, it would've been nice to have a bit of everything: tech base, medieval, Lovecraft, Norse mythology and callbacks to the franchise. Naturally, the enemies that come to mind include the likes of Axe Ogre (pic), Deep One, lite Armagon, Byakhee and Valkyrie.
>>10172749
Was "old Duke with dementia" idea too grim?
>>10172783
>>10172795
Paril, I kneel.

>>10172862
you forgot
>doesn't even warn you

>>10172641
I like the vore changes and I occasionally enjoy the nightmare switcheroos.
>>10172609
>Looking forward to jumping into WADs after this.
Very nice. The first pair of wads you need to play immediately after beating Doom 2 are from Final Doom: TNT or Plutonia.
If you’re really fed up with Doom 2 by the time you’re done with it, you might want to hold off on TNT for now: It amplifies the best and worst parts of 2 for me despite being a favorite. Plutonia is different and I consider it essential playing. It will also help with the jump into custom wads.
>>10172862
It was so weird that they were glued to episode 2 only. Should I blame Romero? Also blown away at how much having a bolt action improves things.

>>10172203
Pretty considerable. The Railgun gets a bonus in damage if you shoot an enemy who hasn't noticed you yet, so in the original game you often got very good value for your ammo. Now, because of how the enemy AI is revamped to be smarter and more aggressive, getting that stealth bonus is a lot more rare, and I'm actually ok with THAT tradeoff because the challenge is upped as a whole, but they still went ahead and nerfed the inherent damage of the Railgun anyway, so even when there's no stealth taking place at all it's not even close to as good as before. The total DPS drop is actually very considerable.

I don't think nerfing the base damage of the Railgun was necessary to do at all, it's supposed to be a powerful weapon, the stealth bonus becoming rare is enough of a 'nerf' as is. Someone suggested that they should just have given you less ammo per pickup instead, and I think that'd have been a better solution, keep it strong enough still but make you have to consider your ammo usage more carefully.

Would edit the maiden's speed into the same as Doom Revenants work?

>>10172897
>Axe Ogre
never forget what they took from you

>>10172609
Give Plutonia a run before you go into pwads, not only is it good fun, but it's still a strong influence in how many people map to this day.
It's much harder than Doom 2, but the maps are generally not that long.

For saving, just do as you please. Trying to do levels in one go is valid, some think that's the most fun way to play, and if that's you, you should continue, but don't feel yourself forced to do that.
Mind, some pwad levels (and some levels in TNT, if you wanted to check that out), can be really big and long, so you may find yourself wanting to make a save on occasion just so that you don't have to lose 40 minutes of progress for dying.

Saving and loading can be abused in a way that ruins the fun, naturally, but it's there as a tool for your convenience for alleviating undue frustration.

>>10172812
Do not tell me what to do. And I have no idea who Alf is. And the RoS changes are pure retardation.

>>10171787
DODGE THIS

>>10173030
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWKQiZVBtu4

>>10173004
>Alf
i have no idea who this is but

>>10172812
>my post for Janny'd for saying the A-word
Bottom kek
>>10173004
I like it immensly after using it in The Spiritworld's penultimate level's final slaughter arena section, as it turned out to be more useful than either a Quad or PoP in there thanks to its new Doom-esque monster infight potential being utilized to its fullest there.

Can I play Dimensions of the Past using Quakespasm Spiked? Is dopa.zip on Quaddicted the real thing? Thanks

>>10173045
iirc dopa works even with og quake.exe

>>10173045
>Can I play Dimensions of the Past using Quakespasm Spiked?
Yes.
>Is dopa.zip on Quaddicted the real thing?
That's the 2016 version. I think the re-release version was prettied up a bit and has some extra ammo.

>>10173052
>I think the re-release version was prettied up a bit and has some extra ammo.
I hope to god it does. My first playthrough of that was pure pain due to the stinginess of the ammo placement.

>>10173048
Thanks

>>10173052
>I think the re-release version was prettied up a bit and has some extra ammo.
I see. So that one isn't actually free to download?

>>10173057
it is if you have Quake on gog or steam
go into Quake/rerelease/dopa

>>10173059
>>10173057
*you have to download it in the mod install menu of the re-release first sorry

A lot of the new Q2 maps have lots of color.
>>10173045
>>10173052
The version I tried through the port also has lighting and nightmare changes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPWilrYbOZI
is this the only instance of someone bringing the maykr drones from eternal in a doom mod?

>>10173059
Gotcha. Thanks

>>10173062
>pic
I still can't believe the Strogg were created by two shamblers stuck in a cube at the bottom of an acid pool. Wild.

>>10173063
Probably. They're not a particularly interesting enemy.

>>10173062
And then a lot of them are more earthy. Nice variety.
>>10173074
And it's the cute "hoodie-look" shamblers, too. Adorable.

>>10173074
they could have at least model a new monster with a big brain or that at least looks smort

>>10173082
>hoodie-look
*uncut

Violent tumble anon, I am stil working on stuff but 2 things:

monster_sword corpses fall to the ground correctly if they don't drop items

you can push statues around before they activate. it doesn't break anything as far as I can tell and it's kinda funny I guess

>>10173004
>become invisible
>stand there with thumb in ass, staring at enemies and figuring out what to do
>shoot single target
>everything wakes up anyway
what a great item

Can I set up an autoexec for Q2R?

>>10172915
>>10172804
>>10172719
After about an hour and a half of banging my head on the Icon of Sin I finally cleared it. Pretty satisfying conclusion to the game. I have a few questions:
I see people talking about "pistol start only" for a lot of WADs. Is that something more for advanced players, or should I try it myself? I guess maybe the readmes will say what the developers intended? How do you even do pistol starts on later stages?
I guess next I'll play the final doom stuff as recommended.

>>10173090
>Violent tumble anon
You know, the one thing Quake was missing was a random chance of falling down stairs and breaking your hip.

>>10173107
nvm I figured it out

>>10173110
>Is that something more for advanced players, or should I try it myself?
More on the advanced end. You'll really want to get used to the best ways to spend ammo on which enemies before giving it a go. Lots of levels will be really strict with their ammo and weapons when you pistol start them.

>>10173097
>I don't know how to use it and/or encounter design is bad so it should be like the sucky invisibility from Doom instead.

>>10173110

Pistol start is just the most hardcore way of playing. In my opinion it's like playing mega man buster only. It's just a testament to a well designed map and skill, but in no way the "canon" way. Games are meant to be fun and being hardcore one kind of fun, among others.

>>10173110
if you pistol start you'll be using the super shotgun 90% of the time instead of 50% and that's fucking boring. Lots of big name wads (ancient aliens, scythe 2, eviternity, etc) follow an episode format and will take your guns away whenever they want to reset the pace anyway
if it's a community project like Congestion, JPCP, MAYhem, DBP, or /vr/ wads it's still the polite thing to do if the guy who made the tyson map or whatever didn't count on you having the bfg that was put in map 3

>>10173110
>pistol start
it gets really boring to carry full arsenal through 30 levels, zero variety and barely any ammo management. some wads partially solve this by splitting stuff into episodes, like in Doom 1 (in older wads this is accomplished by killing the player). but lots of them didn't use to.
unless we're talking about a continuous campaign like Ashes or Blade of Agony, every map is usually balanced to be beaten without having carried anything over. so if you want to beat the encounters as designed, pistol start is the way to go.

it's kind of bizarre how despite mapinfo/umapinfo/etc, there still isn't a flag for mappers to actually be able to indicate intent (other than making every level a separate episode or something). is it still "map *" in gz, or is there a reasonable cvar by now?

>>10173140
Tell me how to use it besides trying to awkwardly squeeze past enemies in hopes of cheesing entire segments of a level

>>10173169
Some ports have a pistol start option, and you can force that with the OPTIONS lump, but as usual GZDoom prevents that from happening. Although I guess you could force pistol starts using ZScript or something for incompatible ports.

>>10173161
>if you pistol start you'll be using the super shotgun 90% of the time instead of 50%
it's the exact opposite. no reason to hoard plasma if you'll lose it on map change, so you're free to spice things up.

>>10173110
>Is that something more for advanced players, or should I try it myself? I guess maybe the readmes will say what the developers intended?
Yes usually the mapmaker will specify in the readme or in the release forum post. If it's not specified, it's up to you. In my experience most vanilla-oriented levels are designed around pistol starts, while e.g. GZDoom maps will expect continuos playthroughs (if they even have distinct levels)
Community projects will often be made for pistol starts since everyone will be working on their own self-contained level, and it's likely they won't even know what their map number will be until the project lead compiles the WAD.


For Doom specifically;
>Most people started levels with some kind of significant equipment. However, almost all our playtesting was done starting each level with just a pistol. We made the game too easy for the average player.
That said, keep in mind UV was the hardest difficulty on Doom's release. So UV pistol start on Doom is literally as difficult as the game was meant to be.
So yes, it is definitely for "advanced players".

>>10173126
>>10173143
>>10173161
>>10173169
I see, I see, thanks fellas. For now I'll just keep playing stuff that looks neat on hurt me plenty. I didn't really see the appeal of Doom when I first messed around with Doom 1 but the more I play, the more I see how good it is.

>>10173140
>>10173097
>stand there with thumb in ass, staring at enemies and figuring out what to do
Have you considered the fact that non-retards don't have this problem? On my first playthrough of Quake, the Ring of Shadows was great for scouting and skipping certain fights to grab nearby powerups, or positioning myself behind enemies to start infighting. Especially in E4.

>>10173191
And thanks, that's some interesting stuff. I messed around with UV in Doom 1 a tiny bit just to see, and could barely clear the first few levels lol

>>10173161
>if the guy who made the tyson map or whatever didn't count on you having the bfg that was put in map 3
>mfw 512 Linedefs has this because donk_konk went hard as motherfucker
Touchplate Trouble is pretty fuckin' fun tho. Good example of a map worth pistol starting.

>>10173169
MBF21's death exits should enforce pistol starts, unless I'm mistaken.

>>10173110
For me personally, pistol starts making finding guns fun again, instead of using the super shotgun 99% of the time

>>10173178
>pistol start is using plasma you find on this level
>not pistol start is using hoarded plasma leftovers from previous level PLUS plasma you find on this level
>somehow pistol start = more plasma
brilliant

>>10173110
Pistol Start will generally make most levels harder, the vast majority of levels are designed to be playable and beatable Pistol Start, so that you're never fucked even if you start from scratch (and you'd lose all your stuff if you died and then didn't load a save, choice was yours where to go from there), but don't take that to mean as if you're only ever supposed to play levels Pistol Start, being able to carry stuff over was a very conscious design decision.

>>10173245
They don't work with GZDoom lol

>>10173257
It results in more plasma usage, because it becomes a "use it or lose it" situation.

>>10173265
Works on my machine.

>>10173274
No it doesn't. GZDoom recognizes them as just regular damaging floors, not as instakills.

>>10173161
I deliberately omit or hide the SSG in maps for this exact reason, either you only get it at all on Easy, or you need to find it later, either having to fight to win it, or find it in a secret.

>>10173178
Also
>"pstarts means more super shotgun"
Makes no sense. You'll be more consistently exposed to one and a larger amount of shells when playing continuous. Some levels have SSGs placed in secrets one might not even find, further along the latter half of a map, or nowhere because the level doesn't even have one placed.

>>10173245
death exits look unnatural as fuck to anyone who isn't already experienced enough to pistol start everything
>>10173257
man, people hoard every single potted plant in System Shock 2 to recycle them 20 hours later for 10 credits total. numbers don't matter, it's an atavism in the brain (same reason you're so fat, anon) - hoard because you can. same with powerups.

>>10171512
How the fuck is Sponge still working at id?
>for q1 and doom we try and find stuff that's been around for a couple of years and has positive buzz to act as a level of curation
>for q2, not planning on it at all currently
They literally got some of the most ancient stuff off idgames archives into doom, and Q1 almost the same due to quaddicted, but Q2?

Also, even if you make a new campaign or even port stuff for Q2R which is damn good, there are no guarantees for it either.
That fucking retard fucked even the Multiplayer community too.

>>10173301
Quake 2's not getting official addons because they have to distribute more than some map files.

>game puts levels in episodic format
>but developers happened to add weapons so you wouldn't be fucked if you decided to start with a pistol
>this somehow I have to autistically restart each new level I get to or else I'm not playing right
Okay.

>>10173257
Most times from how I've seen people play continuously over the years, if people have ammo for the SSG they'll use it instead of plasma, and that cycle continues until the BFG becomes mandatory (they find AVs/cyberdemons/spiderdemons) or until they run out of shells (never).
So most plasma doesn't end up getting used and gets hoarded ad nauseum.

>>10173304
anon
>we are not planning on that currently.
people has to bitch them like last time with Doom and Q1R so they can move on and support it.

it is like they do this on purpose to post on that shitty slayers club website

>>10173204
Cool beans, but have the same ammount of usefulness from RoS in user-made content where most items and buttons are scripted to spawn/awaken monsters who are already angered, so that the vanilla Q1 invisibility has no real effect on them.

>>10172797
>single barrel SSG blasts now one tap pinkies
WHO BALANCED THIS

>>10173273
>>10173292
It's still the same total amount of ammo in the wad.
You still will use it. There's no difference between using everything in one level or using some of it in one level and then then rest in next level. No hoarder will leave the ammo behind. If there's extra, he will 100% start to use it to pick up as much as he can, that's the very definition of hoarding, leave nothing behind.
There's no magical plasma ammo available only to pistol starters. If the wad has 5000 plasma ammo total scattered over all the levels both hoarder and pistol starter will use ± this amount, pistol starter will use it more equally while hoarder will use it more strictly at first and more frivolous later.

>>10173306
It's more fun to start each level with nothing. Just like it's more fun to play Mario World to replay old levels to make sure you always have a cape.

>>10173314
In fact, it is literally a humiliation ritual at this rate.

https://files.catbox.moe/8mmngj.WAD

GIVE ME FEEDABKC PLEASE

>>10173301
>>10173314
>>10173328
Every thread has you complaining about whoever, wherever on the Internet with ESL posts that hardly make sense. Have you considered that your time would be better spent learning how to not be a massive asperger?

>>10173314
>t is like they do this on purpose to post on that shitty slayers club website
I used to sign up there daily to have my points to unlock skins in Doom Eternal like a sad autist.
I am free now.

>>10173325
yet you will use SSG *more* because you will have it right away with endless supply of shells.
on continuous you will aim to end the level with max cells, on pistol start you're free to go all out in the final fight.

>>10173281
I'm playing in GzDoom 4.10.0 and this map kills me and sends me to the next level with all my shit gone. Either you're bullshitting, doing something wrong with your level, or your GzDoom is out of date and predates the whole MBF21 and UMAPINFO thing.
https://files.catbox.moe/zu85lh.wad

Anyone else is welcome to try.

>>10173052
Original DoPa has no custom Progs.dat so there's nothing stopping you from extracting its .pak contents into the Zestorer mod and having a blast with the RC despite that episode's overall ammo scarcity.

>>10173352
The issue was that my compatibility was set to Doom (Strict)

>>10173351
>you will aim to end the level with max cells
AND you will aim to use extra cells.
So in the end it will be virtually the same. If you already have 600 cells and 100 shells and fuckton of extra shells and cells then you will use plasma, not SSG. No one will use SSG if he can use plasma.
Unless it's DWfags who only know about existence of SSG and BFG and nothing else when making maps.

>>10173352
yeah this works, at least as far back as 4.7. I take back "unnatural" then.

>>10173373
That'd probably do it, yeah.

>>10173324
LMAO

>>10173030
This remaster came out just in time for me, I'd gotten really into Q2 just a few months ago. I'm loving it, a lot of small details have been added (and a few unnecessary dumb details but okay). Want to start mapping, possibly develop a mod/missionpack, and I'll probably do that for the remastered version after all. I did a few maps for OpenArena back when that was a thing... Q2 mapping is actually a lot more work than anything arena though, because of the story and progression (a.k.a. an assload of triggers).
But this goddamn berserker bullshit better get rolled back. It's retarded. Very basic gamedev common sense says, "Don't disrupt the player for no reason." You cannot avoid this faggot's dumb bullshit. I can hear the thought process in the head of the asshole who put this forward: "Well, the berserker has no weapons, but he has knockback, so he has to have more knockback." Hey dipshit: you've already got him run-and-punching and fulfilling his job of occupying and bullying a lot of space from the player. Having him gapclose and create THAT MUCH FUCKING KNOCKBACK is maximum retardation. Look at the last bit in this webm, christ. It's like the team just ran out of energy to fight this dev's changes and let this one pass though just to make him happy.
Bitching aside, I still think this remaster is a net gain.

>>10173329
Short and bizarre, but creative. Unrelated, but Woof told me PERMISSION DENIED when I tried to take a screenshot, not sure what's up with that.

>>10171527
Besides the waifu lead's map, what is the wad itself currently missing?

>>10173052
Nope Remastered DOPA is still the same, but they fixed some stuff the original had new lightmaps all over the place.
I think they also fixed some of the secret triggers that weren't working right and general difficulty since DoPA wasn't that hard.

>>10173074
It is like, they could had even added the cut monster that is at the idvault or even used Armagon, but since they never updated his model and it was the Q1 Community who did the had work to update those, they went with the shamblers.
I don't blame machine games at all, they nailed everything in COTM, but even the cut PS1 boss could had worked too.
I am still salty that there aren't more high poly stuff added too like the ships and the PS1 monsters

>>10173340
>reeeeeeeeeeeee you can't complain about any game at all
Suck a back horse dicks and fuck off, this isn't a hugbox either.

>>10173341
I did that once, and then quit.
Slayers club feels like blizzard's own "community" program for OW that failed. Though Tokyo does some good interviews with some Doom and Quake 1 authors, it is still bad on a general sense that is tied to such a terrible idea made by zenimax before the acquisition.

>>10173427
>Tokyo does some good interviews with some Doom and Quake 1 authors
yeah he's a great guy. shame he's stuck with this thing

>>10173413
i`m okay with it shooting fire and/or dual wielding it, this buff just fucks up ammo economy big time.
why bother using anything else at all when you can just drop everything up to a caco for the price of a single shell. more if you aim for the head.
the SSG is supposed to instantly dispose of a single pinky at close range in exchange for two shells and lengthy reload, the end.
why bother maintaining such a massive fuck-off arsenal if a low-end gun can just nuke most of the bestiary? do they just not give a fuck anymore and expect the player to just sandbox this hoe?

>>10172915
>vore changes
I'm realizing this new episode also maintains nightmare changes even through other ports. It doesn't change the turnspeed though, just nerfs their speed to regular levels even on nightmare.

>>10169304
>probably cut due to rushed release by PCgamer, just like the Obliterator superweapon was scrapped
I haven't played Oblivion in a literal decade now, got any idea what was that "Obliterator" weapon even supposed to be?

>>10173292
>a red flash is more unnatural than using a cheat code or opening a console
Unless you're a chad with "restart level" bound to a single key, the death exit stills interrupts the player less

>>10173454
Is there no difference in the TTK/time to kill as well? Is there any "staged reload" mechanic to balance things out or make things interesting?

>>10173426
The goblin map that was shown here still wasn't submitted. That one and my map are the only things missing.

>>10173491
ok
is the goblin chick represented in that image with all the waifus and the one husbando in the trutk?

>>10173491
wtf did the sink anon submit?

>>10173478
what, like shoving more shells requires more time? only in aforementioned quad`s case, if you fire off more than 2. i think it is a bit slower than regular SSG though.
still, the latter is pretty nimble and you can run around deleting people with no issues.
mp40 is the only gun with reload that actually takes decent time.

Is there a good total conversion that imagines what Wolfenstein 3D would've looked like if it was developed after DOOM on idtech1? As far as my knowledge stretches, which is about 3 feet, the most I know about are ones that just port it as 1:1 as possible or ones like Blade of Agony that are more akin to trying to squeeze a Return to Castle Wolfenstein 2 onto GZDoom

>>10173502
The goblin isn't on the pic, but there is room left for it. If the anon that drew the pic want to add it, it shouldn't be too difficult.
>>10173505
If you are referring to the map filling with water, he asked for it to not be put in the wad. If it's another anon, then dunno.

>>10172915
What Wolf3d mod map pack has that rifle?

>>10173528
>he asked for it to not be put in the wad

>>10173530
Coffee Break. Very fun for Wolf3D.

>>10173314
>it is like they do this on purpose to post on that shitty slayers club website
They've already said the reason is that they'd have to be passing executable code (i.e., the game_x64 DLL) to the engine, and consoles don't want anything to do with that in their DLC.

>>10173554
i know of that, which sucks.
still they could make it only for PC.

>when you get carried away making a testing area
Welp, back to bug fixing.

>>10173551
Thanks. Gonna play this.

>>10173474
I just thought it's the same death exit as in Scythe 2 etc, which is pretty damn unnatural, and prone to failing if the player is mashing the use key iirc. a red flash is fine. a flag on the map itself (rather than a special setup on the preceding one) would still have been better, of course.

>>10173570
I came.

>>10173419
>Unrelated, but Woof told me PERMISSION DENIED when I tried to take a screenshot, not sure what's up with that.
i put a drm on it. my first map btw, made in 2h

>>10173570
Benissimo...

>>10173575
Scythe's death exits are outdated, there are much better ones that can be created in vanilla format that can instantly end the map, without being prone to red flashes, nor to accidentally restart.

>>10173570

>>10173570

>>10172797
the UAC can develop railguns and black hole generators but a flashlight that lasts more than a minute is out of the question

>>10173472
IIRC it shared the 0 weapon slot together with the BFG10k despite not actualy existing (trying to give it yourself via cheats gave you an "unknown item" console message)

>>10173570
finally, it's useful

>>10173671
>develop flashlights at UAC Mars that last forever
>include zero training where they learn to wield it with something else
still fun

>>10173607
how drm

>>10172951
Never did. Although I think I would've gave him a sword or something like that as it feels more organic with regular ogres using chainsaws.
>>10173061
>*you have to download it in the mod install menu of the re-release first
No, you don't. Its included by default.
>>10173074
>I still can't believe the Strogg were created by two shamblers stuck in a cube
I like how people miss out on ending screen of CotM where it says that "Strogg are severed from their Maker", which pretty much says that Masters of the Machine were middlemen of sorts.
If anything, the expansion alludes to Shub-Niggurath or Chthon being the Maker (still low-key count on Gilman though).
>>10173564
You can still load custom stuff on PC directly. I think at least most anons can agree that Add-ons are a thing mainly to console crowd to allow them experience what they otherwise won't. If it's not possible to make something for them, why bother with PC since folks can just take the matters into their own hands?
>>10173341
>Spoiler
Same.

>>10173709
>No, you don't. Its included by default.
oh yeah true it's the third official expansion now i forgot.

>>10173709
>which pretty much says that Masters of the Machine were middlemen of sorts.
Still pretty cute and hilarious imagining these interdimensional yetis doing anything smart. It's a fun concept but any serious "q1 in mah q2" feels like putting ice cream on pizza.

>>10173074
I don't think Tim and Will created the Strogg but the Strogg were influenced by an Outer God they serve.

>>10173687
I dream of being a Doom 3 modder. Maybe one day

Progress on muh megawad

>>10173570
I think I am going to remove a box of ammo for this as well.

>>10173754
looks cool

>>10173754
why the clown nose?

>>10173779

One small update to my Serious Case of /vr/ map: Elephant Wings. Adds collision to all the archway models that were missing it plus a few other tweaks and hopefully fixing the kleer that would occasionally get stuck near the end.
>https://files.catbox.moe/ypetwh.zip

Nothing huge gameplay related has changed, but whenever I get around to it this will be version we will play when testing co-op.

>>10173709
>the expansion alludes to Shub-Niggurath or Chthon being the Maker
>Maker
i hope it wasn't picrel

>>10173570
Unf

Reminder that dragon is the strongest creature in the army of Quake.
Fuck shub-niggurs and chthjobbers with their gay Lovecraftean shit.

>>10173810
>lolkite

>>10173739
It's pretty easy to make edits to anything you want. https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125660-doom-3-how-can-i-edit-the-weapons/
>>10173810
The ones in Soul of Evil fucked my shit up.

>>10173880
Without colored lighting the maps also looks good

Also, this level from the N64 ones is quite damn cool

>>10173417
Switch to the chaingun and/or don't stop moving, dumbo

>>10173894
he kept moving but they forgot to add a dash button
>don't hit me

>>10173709
To make mods work entirely, fucking id and bethesda has to release the entirety off it for PC, what they released now doesn't even work as a basic foothold for it.
Even for other source port authors to work on it too.

I think camack gave his opinion upon this, but i deleted my twitter.

SNS just went up. CC2 tonight. Password Dik-assassin again

Quake dm anon here. Did some testing. The VPS I rent is Windows 8, and there are no Vulkan drivers for Windows 8 so I can't host a dedicated server for vkQuake until I upgrade my VPS. I already emailed nfoservers asking about the upgrade cost for that. Meanwhile I tested ezquake and FTEQW. ezquake won't work with me, something about a recursive error when attempting to host, and pic related for FTE-Quake when trying to connect to my VPS. When I host from my own machine, for some reason ammo boxes do not show up with FTEQW, so I think vkQuake from my machine is the way to go for now. I'll host after Sunday Night Shitshow finishes. I'll go join em now in fact.

>>10173861
>It's pretty easy to make edits to anything you want.
Does that include models and animation?

>>10173940
C'mon, show more enthusiasm, anon! It's almost like you're only doing these events because you're forced to and not because you're enjoying them.

>>10173940
7/32

>>10172783
that's just an overpowered turok 2 shredder

>>10173996
they should add it to the port behind a cheat code

>>10173940
8/32

>>10171538
Now do timescale 0.1 or something as you get the wheels up.

>>10173954
Could the issue with fteqw be protocol related?

added new section to FAQ
>What is Boom, MBF, limit-removing, etc? What are complevels?
tried to keep it short but its kind of an autistic topic so it ended up medium-sized. feel free to give feedback or point out errors

>>10171787
wtf, I just read the comic that smug toad is from earlier today in paper from 1991.

>>10172640
>not as fluid
You never mastered strafejumping or bunnyjumping, did you?

>>10172915
>It was so weird that they were glued to episode 2 only.
Episode 1's secret map disagrees with you.

How create railgun or coommand levels in Quake 2 ?

>>10174070
>relsotron
Now that's the real nerf right there, that butchery of a translation

>>10174068
There weren't any mutants used there. Episode 6's secret level has them though, because it's Episode 6 so it has to be as awful as it possibly can be.

>>10172662
A spiritual successor to Burl_Tumd. Weapons are a little snappier and quicker than vanilla, altfire for all weapons has you throw some punches before swinging out with a big sword that has lifesteal.
and have this be a prequel to a DAKKA spiritual spinoff mod you also have planned.

Ok I found teams, but how create Railgun 1 hit mode?

>>10174079
But is literally translation,

>>10172662
this is a repost but
>gzdoom mod in which nothing is changed except occasionally you catch glimpses of a randomly placed black figure which disappears as soon as you see him
zoomers would go wild, tiks would be tokked.

>>10174064
there's more to "fluid", like instant weapon switching, actually useful grenades, better enemy patterns (fiend vs mutant) etc.
with movement: unlike q1 where you can weave every which way, q2 strafejumping is mostly in one direction, which is totally pointless on tiny singleplayer maps.
only q2 and non-cpma q3 have zero air control. I suspect it's simply a multiplayer technical limitation (prediction on 10hz servers). nobody actually thinks lack of air control makes movement better.

Quake 64 really sucks with the new enemies. The second hub is just fill of death pits and berserkers to launch you into them.

>>10174101
>but how create Railgun 1 hit mode?

>>10174057
ay yo bby lemme clap dem cheeks

>>10174059
I think it's good to have the info in one place.
but in practice, complevel is only relevant when recording demos and specifically testing map for compatibility. even when recording, what's the harm of always setting the most recent one? on playback, I think at least DSDA fills the complevel in automatically.

I literally got launched just once into a lava pit by a berserker in my whole gameplay of all the expansions.
And I was able to get out of there (it was the part with the bridge trap from the first maps)

>>10173940
Man you gotta get a suitable image to post alongside SNS and FNF.

Anyone know anything about the Tech Mod things in Quake 2 Remastered's multiplayer? Were they a cut mechanic intended for the original release? I came across them on a random server the other night, there was one for regeneration, one for faster firing speed, one for "power" which I have no idea what it's for unless it refers to weapon damage (which would be redundant cus of Quad and Double Damage), something called a disrupter shield which I have no idea what it does (maybe absorbs damage?), to name a few off the top of my head. Couldn't find anything on the Quake wiki for any of this.

Also is there a mod to change the crosses on health packs back to red?

>>10174057
I'll check.

Thx i am retarded

>>10174118
Thx, I am retarded

I just wanted to say I beat Blood for the first time and I cannot believe how good it was. Does anything else come close?

>>10174195
Shadow Warrior with its combat.
Have you only beaten the main campaign and have yet to play any custom stuff?

>>10174202
Yeah

>>10174210
If you just want more Blood that's often better than the main stuff:
>Death Wish
>Fleshed Out
>500ml of /vr/
>French Meat 1 and 2
>Eviction
>Trauma Therapy
Start with those and you'll be set for awhile.

>>10172915
That cute little low resolution Mauser makes me smile.

>>10174195
What did you like about it so much? Build engine games never clicked with me

>>10172424
That deserves to be in the news >>10171518

>>10172424
>not GoblinA DLC

>>10174220
I just loved the atmosphere and the sense of place in certain levels. The mansion in episode 2 was the standout, going gradually through and unlocking different rooms.

What possesses a person to design a level like this?
>maze like caves where each room has five or more options where to go
>zero sense of direction or progression
>forced damage sections of poison in all rooms
>brown and green everywhere
This level just feels like chaos, total sensory overload, it gave me a headache.

>>10173940
What do these words mean

>>10174057
I don't think it is. Both my machine and the VPS protocol is "default". I'll have to ask Spike or somebody else what's up. Lemme do that now.
>>10174260
Sunday Night Shitshow, a weekly Doom event for co-op shenanigans. I think they're still going.

>>10174261
Oh neat. Sounds like video games.

>>10174258
do NOT look at the automap of map 19

>>10174270
It was. Server ended. ggs were had

>>10173570
Sorry but the black monsters aren't getting fixed. Maybe because if the way I set up the bottom sky brush? Here is the latest map file if you want to take a look.

https://files.catbox.moe/0f0fnh.map

Also I am going to make part of those wind tunnels wider, looks like a bad jump can get the player stuck.

>>10174291

Quake Zerstorer DM tonight mofos. Maybe an hour or so. I'd like to try some Arcane Dimensions co-op later if people are interested, specifically the randomized enemies mod for the id1 maps.
https://github.com/Novum/vkQuake/releases/tag/1.30.1
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/zer.html
47.147.66.48
Port: 111000

>>10173940
Whoops, forgot the picture. GGs.

>>10174142
They're from CTF, IIRC.

>>10172662
Yet another "it's my OC/sona but they have weapons" mod.

>>10174129
>what's the harm of always setting the most recent one?
Bugfixes can actually break certain maps that purposely exploit bugs.
Probably more commonly a source port issue, but I swear I've seen shit break on complevel 21 yet work on 2/9.

>>10174320
2/16 get in here homos

>>10174142
Red Cross Restoration:
https://files.catbox.moe/qi9vtc.zip

>>10174320
3/16

>>10174291
>>10174327

>>10173306
You are meant to carry over health/armor/ammo/weapons between levels.
You are also meant to start from scratch on the new level if you happen to die, instead of loading a save to retain your stuff.
This is the way.

>>10174320
5/16

>>10174320

>play wolfenstein
>dream about taking care of aardwolves at the zoo
what could it MEAN

>>10174431
it's 11100

>>10174431
Two zeroes.

>>10172662
Quake idea incoming...
Quake 1 mappack with Russian and Ukrainian castle and palace aesthetics, at least 2 labyrinth-containing levels along with one level being mostly based on Wilhelm Castle. In the second half the pack gradually becomes more techy and in a few places, biomechanical, especially in the latter of 2 secret levels. You can toggle between the usual ammo format, or having weapons be reloaded when using a clip or battery up. First Episode would have the boss be Chthon, and the 2nd would end with the room coming undone all trippy. A possible 3rd Episode would come to a close with a fight between Ranger and nyralathotep

>>10174320
5/16

>>10174320
6/16

>>10173885
Colored lighting just makes any given room a single tone. It's totally overbearing, especially when 90% of light sources in Q2 are red or orange. Disabling that and fog is required desu. The fog is especially aggressive on the level before Big Gun. For some reason they made it neon blue for a level with a bright red skybox. Turn that shit off!

>>10174320
Hmmm so I can't seem to run ZERDM5 for multiplayer. This happened last night. Rebooting for more. The campaign maps of Zerstorer all have DM shit too.

>>10173771
This is specifically for the Doomed Rumble modifier - regular plasma lightning is unchanged so no need to balance for it. Plasma BFG just acts more like the Quake 2 BFG now instead of the Doom one.

>>10174294
Alright, I'll have a look at your map. Thanks for the update.

>>10174320
>>10174539
Back up! Apparently running zerdm5 now.

>>10174546
Get back in here player we need that sixth

>>10174530
What's the cvar to disable the colored lights?

>>10174359
Name 1

>>10174320
7/16

>>10174562
Demonsteele, GMOTA, Combined_Arms, Russian Overkill, La-Tailor Girl, and of course Guncaster.

>>10174320
Back up!

Thank you waifu-anon for mind breaking my friend, now he wants to keep making more waifu maps separate from the project.

>>10174202
How come there's so little SW user made content?

>>10173341
>I am free now.
Until the Rangers Club.

>>10174623
i probably won't be part of the party...

>>10174320
How's the netcode for vkQuake. Quakespasm-Spiked felt a bit too chunky to play, at least out of the box.

>>10174637
Feels good come in. Wrapping up.

>>10174637
had to leave, my input lag was like 1 second

>>10174646
>>10174320
Crashed. We went through the Zerstorer campaign DMwise, gonna take a quick break. I want to try some Arcane Dimensions co-op in a bit. Thanks to all who joined. Gonna look for old Duke QuakeC skins and Quake Level Master 5.

>Warning: Sky texture skyblack is 16 x 16, expected 256 x 128

>>10174653
Ah, I was wondering why I wasn't able to connect. Seems it happened right when I was trying to join.

>>10174646
Whoops, meant to say to you that I'd like to get it running with FTEQW but I'm waiting on them to get back to me on some bugs.

>>10172424
So is the Porcelain expansion just not a thing anymore? Was it ever?

>>10173413
I preferred the Quad version right before this. This one is too square. Looks bad.

>>10174195
played on extra crispy and want more bullshit? try extreme rise of the triad on crezzy man.
not in it for the challenge and just wanna blow stuff up in build engine? try shadow warrior.
like spooky atmospheres, visceral weapons, and good artstyles? try painkiller.
want wacky haunted house fuckery? scour the globe and hunt down any potential copy of "exploding lips" then upload it to the web for the rest of us.

>>10174659
small world.
i tried to fumble around with the graphic options of fte 2 hours ago and now i can't see models, just explosion lights hitting them

>>10174653
None of these singleplayer ports have built-in support for skins IIRC, only quakeworld and its forks. If you want custom skins in vkquake, it'll have to involve progs.dat, as the method of doing it involves having a new player.mdl with a bunch of skins inside, and then using new impulses to cycle through them.

>>10174659
Lemme know how that goes. I myself tried to get FTEQW going for co-op, but whenever I tried to get it going, it'd constantly try to disable movement prediction and such in order to "better support non-QW mods" despite only having id1 loaded. I think it was something I could've fixed easily, like I think there was just some server variable about using netquake physics or something, but at the time, I was just getting too annoyed trying to find a sourceport that'd work out of the box for just basic vanilla co-op.

>>10173454
The more I learn about new PB versions, the more I'm okay with sticking with the one I have from over a year ago.

>>10174091
I am very much looking forward to Relic.

Arcane Dimensions chaos mode co-op is up. This is mostly just to see if it'll work.
https://github.com/Novum/vkQuake/releases/tag/1.30.1
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/ad_v1_80p1final.html
47.147.66.48
Port: 111000
>Chaos mode?
Monster randomizer for id1 based maps. Should be fun/hellish.
>>10174664
I like FTE but when it works the way I want it to.
>>10174671
Dammit. They better get back to me fast then.
>>10174672
Will do. I feel like the delays people talk about won't be there with FTEQW since it's purpose-built for multiplayer, at least I hope not.

>>10174676
Roland first. Though I need to finish GMOTA before that.
There's a lot of shit to do.

>>10174682
2/16

>>10174682
3/16

>>10174682
4/16. This works perfectly.

>>10174682
6/16

>>10172706
nta but i tried this and i have a black screen when the first map loads after the skill selection

>>10174724
try waiting a bit, that may be a part of the cutscene

>>10174682
Thanks for running this, anon. I hopped on just to see how it feels, and while I think my more distant buddies will still be a bit out of luck, it seems like it'll work perfectly for the more local ones. The fact that this is also a limits-removing port and thus has access to all the cool shit that's been coming out has got me actually excited. Gonna get reeeeeeeeeeeeeal fucking annoying about bugging my buds to try Ravenkeep in co-op, since I've been waiting to get a good co-op sourceport to try that thing properly.

>>10174731
now i see guys talking but there's no voice, only sound effects and the error message:
>unknown command "play 2" doesn't stop showing up.

>>10174738
No problem. I think I'm going to host more co-op for other mods/maps since I know it works well enough. Hope you and your boys have fun.

>>10174682
Episode 2 now.

>>10174754
Oh yeah, I should also ask: you do any specific config changes beyond basics like "-dedicated -coop 1" or whatever vkQuake uses

>>10174765
I don't even use commandline. Just multiplayer>new>set it up right there.

>>10174690
Huh. Were they not the same mod? I assumed it would be a character select thing when both were done.

>>10174780
Nope, no character select. The idea is to just have two separate mods, one just having a little more to it than the other in terms of mechanical complexity.
Mainly because I have grown weary of making character selects in mods, so I'd rather have two separate projects. One being a vanilla+ sorta thing. Then the other being vanilla+ with a devil trigger mechanic along with it.

can someone help me get this goddamn blue keycard in Hell to Pay?

>>10174682
Shub Niggurath breathed her last breath. Closed. Thanks to all who joined. Maybe some shovelware next time, maybe something good.

What a GAY old time that was, if there's ever a night of Quakery I'll try to be there

>>10174882
>>10174883
Oh no, I was white the entire time? How am I gonna explain this to the missus

>>10174882
>>10174883
Baste.

>>10174734
>gimme a HUH man

>>10174884
das rite, you shoulda been all black, cracka ass bitch

>>10174882
Thanks for hosting. Good stuff.

Damn that was fun. I actually haven't really touched AD at all, so I was pretty damn impressed the entire time with that as well, especially that ending level. Most importantly, no real networking problems, it was really good. I'm kicking myself for not trying vkQuake sooner, but I guess that's partially the fault of the github page for saying it took networking protocols from QSS, and QSS did not come remotely close to performing as well over the net.

A lot more fun than I thought it would be but too much peekaboo with enemies in narrow corridors toward the end. Also goddamn did I have a lot of ammo the entire game. Felt like proto Doom 3.

>>10174562
Literally every mod where you're not Doomguy.

>>10174621
Shadow Warrior was never all too popular until recently. Plus, being a Build engine game, it has a dogshit editor.

>>10174909
>Also goddamn did I have a lot of ammo the entire game.
Don't worry, the expansions make sure to go the other way.

>>10174892
It's an even greater shame at its abandonment since Ironwail is looking like the new de facto Quake sourceport and its multiplayer is nonfunctional.

Q2 remasterfags, play thru Nightmare Orchards and report-back how badly fucked in the ass did you gotten on Hard+

>>10173676
>>10173472
There are 2 unfinished (no textures) weapons in the Oblivion folder itself, one is somekind of a laser-painter thingy from what I can imagine, and the other is some sort of rocket-propelled "giant syringe launcher" with it's model being called Ballista.md2 - but neither of them feels adequate to rival the BFG

>>10174676
>sticking with the one I have from over a year ago.
thanks for reminding me that the main branch dates back to last november

>tfw Quake MP session starts so late I can't play with the boys

>>10174676
>>10175001
Get on my level nerds.

>>10175004
i got the 2017 version from a link an anon dropped some threads ago as well, but damn if the lack of a decent hud bothers me.
still, it being that one version with that one really cool hmg really takes me back, good shit.

>>10172424
>>10174660
>So is the Porcelain expansion just not a thing anymore? Was it ever?
i always thought it to be done by some sort of b-team, but so is this one it seems. shame to see it go if that`s really the case, that one dead end always looked curious.
at least there`s hope for another arsenal only edition.

>>10174294
>>10174540
Somehow I was absolutely convinced the minlight thing worked, but it seems that it doesn't. Still, you can fix it the old fashioned way by making the bottom brush of the skybox a thin func_detail_illusionary and having a structural brush under it with any texture other than a sky. You can increase the texture scale on that structural brush to making lighting compile faster.

This video probably explains things better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8-mw79NGDU

>>10175086
>having a structural brush under it
Er, I should say a func_group brush with _minlight (and maybe _lightignore), unless you want the sunlighting in your map to be what illuminates monsters over the void.

>>10172783
>go for the chaingun in q2dm1
>some asshole instagibs you with a reflected railgun trickshot as soon as you get it

>>10172662
Duke Nukem 3d set in modern Skid Row Los Angeles, environmental hazards such as shit, garbage and needles. New enemy type crackheads and hobos that spawn from ubiquitous tents. Tents need to be blown in order to stop spawning.

>>10175101
>reflected railgun trickshot
Grenade Launcher bros...

>>10175086
kex doesn't draw sky bmodels (illusionaries/walls)
you can actually just leave the sky brush "solid", then a gap, and then a non-sky brush underneath. place any entity in the gap so that it doesn't get discarded by qbsp.

>>10174105
You can center weapons in Quake 2, it has better shotguns and rapidfire guns than Quake, and then there is the railgun, which is forever a staple of the series now.
Besides the Remaster and the 25th Anniversary Unit solved weapon switching to be like in Quake 3.
Jumping mechanics are also similar between Quake 2 and 3 so it was obvious what kind of mechanics players liked enough to be carried forwards.
You seem irrationally mad that Quake 2 exists, which makes me wonder if you have some mental illness, because you make some comparisons and draw some conclusions that are a bit distant from reality.

>>10175114
Heh, I forgot Kex was retarded like that. But a func_detail_illusionary should still work since it's not an entity, right?
Either way, Kex is extremely far from ideal for VR2 and trying to use it should be discouraged.

>>10175126
yeah, right, it's just part of the world. it works, I've checked.

>>10173731
>i forgot
It happens.
>>10173735
>Still pretty cute and hilarious imagining these interdimensional yetis doing anything smart.
Oh yeah, totally.
>>10173793
Nah, no Mayrks on sight.
>>10174623
It's still going to be "Slayers", despite Wolfenstein & Quake being in the mix.

>>10175126
Even though it has all the expansion content and then some? Even though it's not subject to map limitations? Even though it has the AI restored? I don't know, but I think Kex is and will remain the best choice unless somehow something better will come along.

>>10175189
Anon he said VR2, as in Violent Rumble 2, not Q2R.

>>10175190
Please forgib me for being kinda retarded and brain farded.

>>10172662
Action Quake and its Q2 sequel revived for other games/engines

>>10172662
>Fat Man: User of Oil
You play as a morbidly obese post-rockstar Romero who walks at a snails pace with his mighty Mcdonalds hammer, and can only heal health through swimming in pools of oil and grease.
You have various specials you can use that require precious oils.
Within the post levels are bonus stages where you have to sign autographs from former fans who take the piss on you for your failure of a future.
The final level takes place in Quak Man where you pass through a maze eating pills to absolve your pain and suffering as you avoid the ghosts of id's past. It ends with an overdose where Romero goes on a power fantasy tripping out as a self insert barbarian with a massive hammer that can time travel to the future to defeat slop-consuming consoomer cyborgs that obey every command from their glorious leader Elon Musk.

>>10174886
>Quake wants to fill our streets with Quake!

>>10175207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adtMJly42hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuhQrRM7B0Q

>>10175237
There's a difference though. Action Quake (or rather, Navy Seals Quake) was basically the predecessor to Counter-Strike, and AQ2/AQtion don't really play anything like Specialists or Double Action.

>>10175237
Looks fun

>>10175207
That's literally what Counter-Strike is supposed to be.

Quad Machine is such a good fucking track.

>>10175237
Playing Double Action: Boogaloo with /vm/ a while back was pretty baller, although I regret always missing that one anon that was running GoldSrc mods like The Specialists on Thursdays. That being said, yeah like the other guy said: AQtion is nothing like that.

>>10174258
Still one of the better maps in Eviternity.

>>10172662
For RotT:LE:
MP-40 has limited ammo like the missile weapons, but also does more damage with each shot.
Double pistols fire 50% faster, but has 3x the horizontal spread and 2x the vertical spread.
Was a bit disappointed that this couldn't be modded into the re-release.

>>10175086
>>10175095
Ok, thanks. I'll try to make things happen once I am home and rested enough. See you later

>>10174848
Watch a speedrun of the map

>>10175190
Quake2 remaster is as close to VR for Q2 as possible for the time being, if they'd ever hopefully eventually get to porting over Zaero and Oblivion content to Kex like they did with the console version's exclusive stuff - we won't even need to shoot any new ideas for an actual VRQ2

>>10172662
port ultrashill guns to gzdoom since my drawing tablet doesn't work with the game and i refuse to pull out a mouse and switch between several gadgets again

Can I please have the mirrored back turned cybie sprite? Have a crushed tomato in advance.

>>10175443
Excellent work. I hope you put it in a jar and sold it at walmart

>>10175446
I prefer to sell jars of FDA unregulated, unrefrigerated Pinky Sauce over the internet.

>>10172662
extreme blood
extreme shadow warrior
extremely extreme rise of the triad
extreme kiss: psycho circus: the nightmare child: the comic: the game: the extremely long name
something like yugioh but you summon enemies from sprite based shooters
doom but every sound is me screaming in a different way
duke nukem but every sound is me screaming with varying degrees of bitcrush
duke nuke-kim jong un
zap dramatic doom
doom but your movement keys are forcibly rebound to E, G, R, N, & I, and your inputs are displayed on screen
a terry wad that is a complete masterwork of both encounter design and humor

>>10175476
>I prefer to sell jars of FDA unregulated, unrefrigerated Pinky Sauce over the internet.

I like Turok 1 more than 2.
I like Shadow Warrior more than Douk and Blood.
I like Doom E4 more than E1 to 3 and all of Doom 2.

What is wrong with me?