/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
A SERIOUS CASE OF /vr/
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9611263/#9611406

=== FINISH LINE ===
FORE/VR/ ALONE (Submissions closed)
Link to BETA3: https://files.catbox.moe/u9smv4.zip

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9941667/#q9941720

=== NEVER EVER ===
94 Protons Of /vr/ Weapons Demo >>10155281 >>10144443

=== NEWS ===
[8-19] 100 lines limitation mapset, anon would like a feedback
>>10158610

[8-12] WIP Perfect Dark Port For PC Released
https://github.com/fgsfdsfgs/perfect_dark

[8-10] Quake II Kex-based remaster released
https://bethesda.net/en/article/6NIyBxapXOurTKtF4aPiF4/enhancing-quake-ii

[8-10] Quake II 25th Aniversary Collaborative Unit - v1.0 released
https://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/Quake225ACU.zip

[8-10] Q-Type DM (Q1 Themed DM Pack for Doom 2)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/139030

[8-10] Deathmatch Dimension added to officially curated Q1 mods
https://mods.silver.quakeapi.com/dmd.pak

[8-10] BTSX E3 demo released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104557

[8-10] Titan 1.0 released (Doom 2016 weapons)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXjNuFytqYI

[8-09] Tribute Quilt released
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/Ports/s-u/tributequilt

[8-08] The Rotting Jam for Quake is out
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/rotting-jam.254/

[8-08] Doom RL Arsenal Extended 1.1 released, with new classes and unlockables.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1243536#p1243536

[8-02] Peril, Quake mod based on Arcane Dimensions, releases after 3 years in development
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/peril3-0.253/

[8-02] DBP60: Eldritch Voyage is out now
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3301/eldritch-voyage

[7-31] Rise of the Triad: Ludicrous Edition released
https://youtu.be/3A8X2tqQuGY

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>doom
more like dumb lmao

It's interesting that Reckoning gives you a flashlight from the start.

>>10162789
>nightdive found shamblers
>version fucked remaster serious
>instead wanted maidens

>>10162790
the game I wish Sandy made/makes most is an actual proper Call of Cthulhu vidya

>>10162789
>duke plus tits
nobody steals my tits, and lives

>>10162794
Those sewer sections at the start always felt the darkest even before the ND port, but it kind of seems redundant with the new fog lighting things up anyways. Helps me out because I don't like the fog and turned it off.

has anyone used SoundCanvas VA?
I've seen people claiming that it's totally accurate to the real thing. I've tried hooking it up to GZDoom and Nugget via vstmididrv, and it just crashes the game when I select it as output.
I can successfully hook it up to foobar (both as a separate plugin and as "secret sauce"), it opens config, it plays songs, but it sounds wrong. I'm assuming it's because it's doing SC-88, but changing GS/GM2/GM or 55/88 in its console has no effect.
I've tried EDIROL Virtual SC, and that one works much better and sounds the way I would expect SC VA to sound. the problem with that one is that it lacks certain samples, so some synth-heavy custom midis just have basic placeholder piano playing.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1000410/announcements/detail/3691316008049585542
>no more bi-weekly progress reports
>gameplay stream on the 18th
Maybe they'll actually reach a deadline this time lol

Not retro.

>>10162787
Pack it on everyone. I guess we're done...

>>10162941
Hopefully optimistic. The game had some good ideas at base, and hypothetically could use its enemy/weapon roster to build some nice encounters. Halfway reliant on movement, halfway reliant on stunlocking, eating a hit is actually crippling. Forced out a nice dance.
But map navigation in the version I played like 2-3 years ago was TERRIBLY unintuitive, and it spammed way too many enemies at you for the amount of ammo you were given without secrets, so the key to winning was just to run past everything because there's no fucking point in gunning down 120 Über Cacodemons at a snail's pace as you collect ammo from their corpses individually and use it to gun down the next one.
>>10162957
quake is retro

>>10162261
GGs

so we playing the remaster together this weekend, bros?

>>10163145
I'm pretty sure it relies on Steam / GoG Galaxy verification.
I pirated it because I still have my old Quake 2 disc, and I'm not buying it again.

>>10162941
inb4 they just launch the game without episode 4 or multiplayer and promise they will come 'soon'

>>10163238
wat dis

>>10163254
Of Three Plantagenets

>>10163227
>episode 4
what's that about? it's been "3 hubs, 15 levels" since 2019. that's what's buffling: 50 months for 10 levels

>>10163258
<3

>>10163259
The maps are enormous and you don't get to see lighting until you compile and play the game.

>>10163263
I know the drill, I've made some myself. a map is a couple months, while having a job, alone. supposedly there was a team of more than one mapper at some point.

0-4, map for Quake
6-9, play some Quake

>>10163290
Fuck. Fine.

>>10163290
rolling for fives

why the fuck the goldeneye soundtrack sound like death grips

>>10162789
>enough guys
>basically bullshit
>literally went official
>dude dudes

If every single game on a particular engine is terrible, do you reckon that's the engine's fault, or the developers' fault for reusing too much of the framework from the first game built on it?
Of course I'm referring to the Quake 2, Marathon, and LithTech engines here.

>>10163564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE

>>10163564
say what you will about the games themselves, but every Q2 engine game went to the effort of fixing the movement at the very least.
NOLF plays fine, minus the driving. can't really blame hardware compatibility issues on the engine.

>>10163564
>Quake 2
Heretic II is great, fuck you.
>Marathon
I actually enjoyed pic related.
>LithTech
You got me there, I haven't gotten around to playing KISS Psycho Circus yet, but it seems like it has the best chance at being a competently made LithTech game by anyone other than Monolith.

>>10163269
Speculation and facts incoming: Killpixel was heading the project at first, but then he lost passion (some people like to stir up shit and say he was ousted but no he just gave up the ghost). I imagine when he left Wrath, 3D Realms considered canning the project and during that time nothing was done. They brought some people on to do some mappan, but none of them have vision they're just brought on to finish a job. Too many cooks situation. Then the project seemingly gets expanded what with them creating new assets even now, further dragging out development. 3DR also recruited even more mappers from the community as other ones dropped out, further dragging out development since you gotta track the guys down, hire them, get the tax forms ready, etc. Combine this with the fact that you're mapping for a decades old engine whose maps need to be compiled every time you do something meaningful so you can make sure it looks good and you have a recipe for a shit dev cycle. I'm sure if 3DR cared to, they could say
>Nah, cut the cord. Two episodes
But they want to make sure the whole thing gets done. I still maintain the worst thing this project did was making a video game on an old engine. UE5 wasn't out in 2019, but 4 was and it was still completely free then. Unity was around too. There's no reason to hamstring your developers with old tech if new tech will make the job easier.
>But the look
If you stick Wrath's art in Unreal, it'll still be Wrath.
>But the look
So fine tune everything until it feels like Quake. Simple as.

>>10163564
No, it's obviously your fault.

>>10162789
>read lore
>find ass
>rocket instead wanted maidens
>thought railgun

>>10163586
Early Access was a mistake.

>>10163586
I think part of the point of the project was to provide a familiar modding platform without Q1 limitations. in that sense, it would have been worth it even with zero new levels, just the full bestiary and devkit. meanwhile the same thing on UE4 would have just been kind of disposable in comparison, same way I feel about HROT or Amid Evil.
for whatever reason, there still isn't a single retro-revival FPS with steam workshop support. I just find that fact insane. fucking Turok of all things has one, but not Ion Maiden, Dusk, Wrath? the normie hype is going to come and go and nobody will have managed to deliver on a proper devkit? in what, 10 years? how?
but anyway, yeah, a year or two ago I said that KP "taking a vacation" means he doesn't see the game coming out for years, and here we are.

>autistic, half broken, works
>obviously multiple hidden projectiles working together properly
>rott
yup

>>10162957
Wrong. Wrath is allowed as it uses Quake 1 derived engine. Retro engine (gzdoom, darkplaces, eduke) games have always been allowed. If not, even REKKR discussion would be banned.

How does the Q2r compass work, does it point you towards the current objective or just shows your current orientation?

>>10163654
you activate it and it does the Dead Space style footsteps + objective marker.
funnily enough, the one time I needed it (well, not really) - the unmarked objective of picking up an access card from a prisoner - it didn't work

>>10163654

Supposed to take you to the actual objective but its broken sometimes.

FUCK ME WHAT THE FUCK IS THE RAILGUN NERF IN THE QUACK 2 REMASTER WTF??

WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM REMOTELY SENSIBLE??

>quake 2 missions and "story"
>Wordswordswords go grab the blue keycard I mean the commander head
Totally innovative natural evolution of the genre.

>>10163664
It really should have been 120 if they were going to nerf it.

>>10162789
>shoot windows
>hate linux
BSDchads, I kneel.

>>10163676

Why nerf it in the first place, it was bueno as it was?

I swear to fucking CHRIST people praising RTX are paid shills. It's the most underwhelming thing I'd seen. It reeks of desperation. Fucking Conker's Bad Fur Day on N64 had dynamic cast shadows.

>>10163682
https://youtu.be/5uhDW6SZ1eE?t=6095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkJz6wVFamk
WHOA DUDE RTX POWERED IN 1999 HOLY SHIIIIIIT TECHNOLOGY

>>10162486
Mormons invented saddle-backing and that dumb earthquake-sex tier shit where you hire/ask someone to jump on your bed with your dick just slightly touching your partner's fuckhole, so that the springing bed-matress itself would do the fucking for you - sorry but I have no idea what's this manouver called, try googling it if you don't believe me.

>I'm going down to EI Honto and I'm gonna Iock myseIf in a moteI room with a bottIe of tequiIa and three she-boys
What was the thought process behind the inclusion of this scene ?

>>10163679
It was the usual suspects that do things like gender bender ghost busters and and go against cannon. I bet somebody lost a lot to a rail gun user and that's the only reason why. Because somebody was better than somebody else and it influenced their decision making so hard that they were essentially owned by said individual and suffered ultimate defeat by pure skill superior to their inferior skill.

>>10163709
It was id/bethesda's decision. Developers just did what they were told.

>>10163709
Also it's not nerfed on mp. Sp only.

>>10162148
I feel kind of bad for this joke, but couldn't miss out on it.
>>10162154
It's horrible, yeah.
>>10163564
While the tech itself can be terrible, usually I would say it's on the developers as engines (like anything else) are just a tool.
>>10163586
>Speculation and facts incoming: Killpixel was heading the project at first, but then he lost passion (some people like to stir up shit and say he was ousted but no he just gave up the ghost).
That's not as off from what I've allegedly heard. Basically, I believe it was a mix of burnout and issues with mental health and family life. KillPixel has been working on WRATH by himself (or his wife; I think she was also involved in some capacity, but can't recall specifics) since like... 2013? He might've talked about it at In The Keep... or Quakecast? Can't check at the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smPJks5EndU

>There's no reason to hamstring your developers with old tech if new tech will make the job easier.
I think it was more about staying true to KillPixel's vision and DarkPlaces being a part of that. After all, he's still like offering some advice or something.
>>10163635
>HROT
...is on custom engine though. Not Unreal Engine 4.

>>10163715
>custom engine
no modding, same difference

>>10163664
>>10163713
>>10163679
>10163709 (bad goyim)
>>10161493

Is rottexpr supposed to be shit? It keeps crashing on me and the complier throw a lot of warnings.

hello, i have a question.

i'm playing through tower of death (caball.wad) and there's a see-through pinkie (not spectre, literally a see-through pinkie) that can noclip and he follows me everywhere. i also can't damage him

qrd on what the fuck this is??

>copy and paste Zaero's code deltas into the Kex Q2 code
>it's just some minor alterations, what could go wrong?
>three hours later, 38 of 99 files checked, barely even attempted to massage code to match new structure
i r programr

>>10163778
rott ports were a disaster prior to ludicrous edition

I hate trigger_push.

>>10163802
Dare I say, you sound triggered

>>10163783
Most likely this
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Ghost_monster

>>10163570
>17 years ago

>>10163805
And trigger_monsterjump too now that I think about it. Dumb entities don't work half the time.

>>10163807
yup thanks

>>10163778
>>10163798
they didn't fix how killing an oscuro egg with bullets causes a crash in ludicrous edition

Listening to the masters while mappin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fqpc64kDv0

>>10163930
sick

>>10163629
You should be forced to make meaningful updates to your game at regular intervals to stay in Early Access. Literally nothing for years except two blog posts a month saying you flipped two textures around and shoved a trapezoid up your ass should be grounds for your game getting pulled and everyone receiving a refund.

>>10163930

>See 94 protons pic in the newspost
>expecting to be a release or a fucking beta
>it's just a weapons demo

>>10163703
am i the only one that thought this line felt a bit out of place?

>>10163930
i was listening to some of this action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wv5Ki3g5f8

>>10164074
I agree, a singular bottle of tequila doesn't seem enough for all the fun he's planning to have.

There is an error/typo in one of the sticky MEGA folders: https://mega.nz/folder/GtEQTISJ#CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA/folder/PldgBCrT

This is Evilution NOT Revilution, Revilution was supposed to be TNT2 and it's actually a megawad.

>>10163750
Blame sponge for that

>>10162775
>>10164031
>Retirement
I know precisely what that bonehead is rattling after! Stay frosty Protonman, we cheer you on!

>>10164238
hot glue material

why ?

>>10164257
because at the time it sounded cooler than Megabased Dick

>>10164238
>Protonman, we cheer you on!
Let's send him a charge boys, it's not too late yet! Go, Go, Protonman!

Daikatana remaster+tweaks when

>>10164307
>>10164238
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>10164243

>>10164270
>I can't leave without my buddy Megabased

>>10164257
>T-Bone Ferguson

Any good, recent quake mapsets?

>>10163783
it's the ghost of Andrew Carmack's dead brother, if you play too long he will leave your computer and kill you irl

>>10164432
Rotting Jam

>>10164432
The only recent release that really impressed me was Corruption Catharsis and that was back in June

>>10164307
>>10164326
>It's quake themed sentai episode where heroes against all odds free some urban powerplant by telefragging the mastermind - the niggur; and also beating his retarded subordinate - the shambler, who for some bizzare reason only meows and purrs angering his eldritch master
>As a reveal, Sandy Petersen comes out of the woods and starts delivering unsuspecting innocent villain lines in broken japanese while adjusting his suspenders, teleports home peacefully afterwards

Can the Q2remaster run any mod that doesn't modify the basegame DLL file itself?

>>10164549
bbbbased
alsoSandy has a vtuber girl voice

>>10164441
No, it's Adrian Romero's ghost.

>>10164549
>Before the credit roll, red ranger at his apartment brings out ctulhu tabletop game and whole team starts playing in joyful commotion

>>10164571
I'm not a sentai fan, but I suspect that'd be very unsubtle even for the most ludicrous japanese series

>>10164552
Yep.

>>10164621
>I suspect that'd be very unsubtle even for the most ludicrous japanese series
but it needs to be done

>>10164739
I'm still upset about this.

Being able to explode corpses, yes or no?

>>10164316
>If you don't change AI companions' base behaviors, you have to stick around and babysit them, otherwise they die and you lose.
>If you disable AI companions or make them invincible, you can bunnyhop past literally every single enemy and encounter.
What do you even want someone to do? The foundation of the game shatters when you change anything. Making the encounter design and enemy/companion balance simultaneously competent, well paced, fair, and fun without redoing the game from scratch would be a sisyphean task.

>>10164758
Is it Quake 2 style where they're physical obstacles that can block doors and bullets, or is it zombie style where they're only affected by explosions?

>>10164758
Not for zombies.

>>10164758
I remember Underwater Jam in particular where this feature made explosives unpredictably dangerous to yourself.
I also have it in my notes that it screwed up stairs there somehow, though I now have no idea what I meant by that.

>>10164758
I like that sort of shit.

>>10164257
Marbleslab Mendelson

I'm having problem with Woof. It only loads Doom 2 iwad even if I had Doom 1 iwad in the folder (and Doom 2 iwad somewhere else in my hard drive). Earlier I could change the iwad in the folder, but now it always loads Doom 2 iwad if it exists somewhere in my hard drive.

I want to drag and drop Doom 1 pwads to Woof, but this isn't possible with a shortcut with "-iwad doom.wad" command line. How do I fix this?

>>10164859
Use a launcher

They are really generous with ammo and armor in the Call of the Machine campaign in the Quake 2 remaster. Also seems like they knew the turrets were not a popular enemy so they were only used for one set piece.

In general, the remaster is very nice to look at different sets of level design philosophies under one roof.

>>10164859
just drag both files
or add "-file xx.wad" to the shortcut

>>10164862
I'd rather find a way without an extra application, but is there any launcher you would suggest.

What drives the person to not use the launcher?

>>10164868
I use ZDL, it's simple enough for my needs. Point it to your iwads and source ports, put stuff in the leftmost box, type in your launch arguments, and go.

>>10164869
doomlauncher is a bit too bloated, and zdl too light for my needs.
I keep a bunch of bat files instead. that way there's a global config that lets me select a different engine without changing the shortcuts, but I can also selectively enable realtime lights for wads that rely on them, and other things like that.
in short, OCD & autism.

>>10164869
I'm a guy whose played Doom before Zdoom, I have never grown to use launchers. I used GZDoom till I went to Woof 2 years ago. I never saw a reason to use launcher. I just dragged and dropped.

>>10164867
Yea this does work and thank you for that, but is there a way to make Woof only recognize to iwad that's in it's folder and from nowhere else?

>>10164881
I'll look into this. Thank you, anon.

>>10164892
Dragging and dropping sucks when you have hundreds of wads in a folder.

>>10164892
>is there a way to make Woof only recognize to iwad that's in it's folder and from nowhere else?
no idea, I'm guessing it finds it in your steam folder, but I don't see an obvious config variable to make the installation portable.

>>10164904
Hey this solves it. I installed Steam Doom 2 to get Scientist. I'll just remove it then.

>>10164768
The latter, though more might be possible.
>>10164780
hmm... I guess that could break some maps.
>>10164786
I should really replay Underwater Jam.
That reminds me, I also need to take a look at the mini-sub from Malice... for reasons...
>>10164827
Indeed.
Will probably restrict this to a modifier, along with increased blood and gibs.

>>10164316
Daikatana is the spiritual sequel to Quake.

>>10164929
isn't it what Romero wanted Quake to be? or was it a bit more medieval i don't remember

>>10164929
>Tom Hall would go on to make Deus Ex, one of the best RPGs ever
>John Romero made... Daikatana
That must've mindbroken the guy a little bit. Probably why he's the only one still clinging on to Doom while everyone else has moved on

>>10164937
>Tom Hall would go on to make Deus Ex
eh, what? Tom Hall would go on to make Anachronox, a mostly forgotten JRPG with an unfinished storyline

>>10164947
>a mostly forgotten
not as long as I'm around
>JRPG
say what?

>>10164475
Rotting jam was kind of mid, some of the maps are quite pretty but the gameplay on them's not impressive.

>>10164552
It can try, sometimes it doesn't work (Sonic Mayhem's Guardian boss doesn't spawn, for example). And any transparent surfaces are kinda fucked.

>>10164962
>say what?
well Hall called it something silly like "console-style RPG", but cmon this aint the kodex, are we gonna split hairs?

>>10164978
>mid
You could've just said average

>>10165001
you could've just said could of

the madman is at it again
https://youtu.be/uhh_Zq5R2M4

>>10165012
>5 views
No self-promotion

>>10165001
The jam ain't worth the extra keypresses.

>>10165021
I really liked the spooky cannibal base with the tragic Floyd bot though. The garbage dump level was also fun.

>>10164995
>that .gif
If you told me that was someone's forum sig a decade or two ago I would believe you

>>10164863
Played through "Opeartion: Corpse Run" today and really like the moments where you can fire BFG and destroy hordes of Stroggs. The bit with Mutants and Makrons felt mildly bullshitty, but nothing too annoying in hindsight.
>>10164937
>That must've mindbroken the guy a little bit.
One hell of a wake up call.
>Probably why he's the only one still clinging on to Doom while everyone else has moved on
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it more like him trying and just failing to do other things after Daikatana.
>>10164947
>Anachronox
I mean, it's still a better game in this comparison.

>>10165167
Corpse Run was by far the best of the expansion.
>That room with the chaingun and the bullet boxes at every other pillar, so as the higher tier enemies pour in you can just keep firing if you move around the room correctly.

JUMP UP

HUH

>>10164257
he was supposed to be french, as Superfly Williams
the dev team made him black after the writer left

>>10162774
Quake or DOOM but its a Platformer.

>>10165360
he doesn't even look black at all kek

>>10165387
Thanks, I hate it

>>10165387
Doom Eternal tries to be these 3

>>10165387
defrag?

>>10165448
I hate this guy like you wouldn't believe. There's no skill to dodging RNG fireballs with massive AoE

>>10165448
Chton's sewer-dwelling brother. Shiton if you will.

>>10165453
kek

>>10162789
>might play doom
>find ass
>absolutely chaingun
>Turok dude

Is there a good doom pistol sprite mod that puts the arm further away from the player so you can see more of it?

>>10164257
>He's got serious mad-on going

Thinking about how I should maybe buff plasma gun by giving it progressively more additional projectiles flying next to the main one. Wonder if it'll blind the player.

>>10165478
the longer it flies? the longer you hold the trigger?

>>10165483
The longer you hold the trigger. My idea is to basically have 8 spots around the main one, each shot rotates a second projectile, after finishing full circle it does a circle with 2 extra projectile and so on.

>>10165478
Make the secondary projectiles smaller?

>>10165462

>>I'm going to fly across the room just to fling you into the air for 1(one) whole point of damage
Ok.
I also kind of miss the 64 mod maidens.

>>10165521
That's the thing that confuses me about the whole thing. Everyone talks about the berserkers being a threat now but their attacks literally do 1 dmg for some reason. What was the thought process there?

>>10165528
It's the knockback and inability to reasonably dodge that makes them annoying now.

>>10165528
>What was the thought process there?
They can complicate things when other enemies are present. They're already basically pinkies in that regard and now they can put you in a bad position. Also someone felt that they needed to kill you much more easily around death puts and lasers I guess?
I was fine with crackhead 64 mod berserkers. It was a great idea giving them the Q4 footstep noises.

one of the greatest strengths is avoidance and positioning and getting forced out of position fucks with this pretty well. especially if you get forced into lava or outer space.

I'm still interested in MachineGames' per-unit credits btw.
I know some of you must have taken that discord orgy invitation. ask the CMs or whoever else you got there, it's in the public interest and stuff.
as other anons said, the mapper who made U1 is the real MVP and should ask for a raise or something, or to graduate to id and work on better games. would be a shame to only know him as "surgubbe" (I can only assume that's swedish for "Chad")

>>10165557
Falling into pit aside, it looks like he dealt ~20 dmg to you in that webm. Not sure why in some other webms/videos I see him dealing 1 dmg

>>10165569
What's this weird stalkerish image?

>>10165578
the actual credits.

>>10165572
I think it's the blue stuff. Checking my webms >>10165521 and >>10150214 I'm nowhere near it when I get hit in those.

>>10165572
I -think- it might do a kind of splash damage eminating from the ground, the closer you are to the center the more damage it does. If you run away from the ground pound but not completely far enough away / are still touching the floor the bounce still gets you and sends you into lasers / off into the lava etc.

>>10165569
"Surgubbe" is what we call angry grumpy old men

>>10165590
I'm talking about the notes you've added next to all the names, why is it that important who did what?

>>10165602
ok surgubbe

>>10165604
because I care about that? we know this info about Doom and Quake, it's fun drawing parallels between McGee's E3 and Alice, or Sandy's abstract traps in both games.
and at the end of the day, that's what the credits are supposed to be for - to be credited for your work.

>>10165569
Gustafsson is living the dream. I wonder if people remember that he made Echoes of the Past and Age of Panic, two highly acclaimed custom SPQ2 levels way back in the day. And now ~25 years later, he's doing it again in an official capacity. You can say many things about him but you can't say that he doesn't genuinely care about the game

Haven't been in /doom/ for a while. Any new mapping projects happening?

>>10165629
There’s Fore/vr/ Alone but the release got pushed back and unfortunately Q2Remaster is eating everyone’s attention. There is a beta builds you can n check out somewhere

>>10165629
"A while" could mean anything.

>>10165659
I haven't been here in 4 months.

>>10165663
you missed the release of 94 protons

>>10165663
Then it's just Fore/vr/ Alone.

>>10165620
what's his other works for Quake 1 aside from dopa?

>>10165668

>>10165678
me? nooo...

>>10165673
He's made a few but they're all kind of dull/shit. Before DOPA he was more well known for his Q2 stuff since they were large epic episodes and not just one-offs.

>>10165683
thanks i could find his maps because i typed jerk in the search bar kek.
by dull you mean too monotonous?
i'm gonna try Qblack soon anyway

>>10165704
Basically just generic/forgettable id1 drivel

>>10165709
but i love id1

>>10163784
I may need to entirely rewrite half the flare gun code, the qbool that's supposed to blind monsters is just slapped on the end of g_ai and really needs to be properly integrated into the movement code.

>>10164552
Many maps needs to be recompiled to work on it, as long as it isn't dll required maps that changes the enemies and other stuff
Castles of Stroggos 2 and 3 for an example, it doesn't work due to UI issues and custom dll's

or yamagi backports Remastered back so all of the remastered stuff is compatible with 3.20/3.21 or someone decompile and recompile all Q2 stuff over the last 25 years into the new code

Is there a Wolf3D mod that adds viewbob and an ever so slight amount of slip-slidiness/pseudo-physics to the movement? Bugs me to no end how it feels like I'm jerkedly moving around a floating camera forward/backward/left/right with my arm, rather than controlling a person.

On a side note it's amazing how so many games that came out after Doom didn't think to convey first-person motion the way Doom does.

Any ID theology experts in?
Do Strogg have souls? Do they go to heaven or hell when they die? Are they judged for their actions as a Strogg?
Or does the soul leave the body at the end of the Stroggification process, with the original individual being judged?
I ask because I had a very vivid dream about trying to smuggle a case of Stroyent into heaven, and the border patrol angel detained me and called me a cunt for bringing "hellish material".

>>10165747
basically the strogg just strogg after they strogg.
if a strgg stroggs after strogg however the strogg won't strogg.

>>10163710
Like that means anything.

ID in 2023 is nu-ID it doesn't mean that it's ok. Nobody at ID today is an OG.

>>10165789
>strgg
*strogg

>>10165790
Except for Kevin Cloud.

>>10165747
Unless a Strogg accepts Christ's sacrifice on the cross, then they FUCKING BURN IN HELL.

>>10165790
>ID in 2023 is nu-ID it doesn't mean that it's ok.
>>10163710 doesn't read like they're saying "it's idsoft so respect decision" but that the developers of the Q2 port had no say in the decision to nerf it.

Several times I've seen the medics gibbing the dead stroggs instead of reviving them

>>10163635
dusk has custom level support but apparently the SDK isn't ready for primetime after years...? of availability. total missed opportunity

>>10165830
ja

>>10165747
>>10165804
There was that one captured marine who was crucified to a giant cross-shaped burger press, so at the very least the Strogg are aware of Christianity to some extent.

>>10164076
What machine was used to make this? I've heard those beeps in other games in the 90s before.

>>10164917
>Will probably restrict this to a modifier, along with increased blood and gibs.
Thank you yes. I like in Quake when there's tons of corpses just laying around, they don't all need to explode.

>>10165453
Aw that's funnier than mine. I was gonna say
>Chton is a niggur...

>>10165868
>Chton is a niggur
Always was.

>>10165596
>blue stuff
shouldn't it expand instead of starting big and Shrink?
is the animation inverted?

I really like this Zerstorer multi barrel lightning gun. I don't remember seeing it in Zerstorer proper, only seeing it now in mapjam3.

Does anyone know why FTEQuake's noclip doesn't allow Y axis movement.

>>10165897
It looks like a dissipating impact to me.

>>10165932
must be using swim up/down like in original Quake

>>10165962
Son of a bitch I love you. FTE is very useful for its r_showfields command that lets you see exactly how an entity works.

>>8797789

Here's an ancient request to fill for anyone that correctly doesn't want to drop $4 for the merged Brutal Hexen RPG and/or wait on 12kB/s download speeds

https://files.catbox.moe/ch9mze.7z

HEXEN+DK.WAD for you - the anon searching for this specifically

>>10163664
So now the railgun does the exact same damage as a rocket launcher but with half the firing rate and no splash damage despite it being the second to last weapon you find.
The rocket launcher can potentially do 20 more points of damage than a rail with a direct hit and even the splash damage alone can do more (up to 112) so it's even worse than what I just described. So why would I ever use the railgun now when the rocket launcher is just the better option? Splash damage is a downside to the rocket launcher so maybe use the railgun as a close range alternative? Well the super shotgun does 20 more damage per shot and has a faster firing rate AND has more common ammo so no.

So how about using it to pick off weaker enemies at a distance/on higher ground? well you've already got the machine gun for that and its easier than ever to use since you removed the recoil plus it has common ammo. I just did the math and the nerfed railgun can do 3800 damage a minute. The machine gun on the other hand? It does 4800 lol! They took the second best gun in the game and butchered it to the point where it's only better than the blaster and regular shotgun. Unbelievable.

I can understand why you would want people to use other weapons but the solution is not to make one weapon useless. Just leave its 150 damage alone and cut the ammo pickup down from 10 to 5.

>>10166064
It's even worse than you think when you account for other changes in the game. Enemies can see you from much further away, and get chain-aggroed much easier (outside of some intentional ambush points). This means you're pretty much completely cucked out of the railgun's stealth attack bonus unless an enemy is facing his back to you in some setpiece moment.
Enemies are also more aggressive and close the gap much faster than before, so the long-distance hitscan advantage gets nullified pretty quick.
Overall there's not much point to the railgun now unless you're really lacking for ammo on other weapons, or you can consistently line up multiple enemies in an encounter (like rooms with two or more tanks).

Yeah fuck the nerf. You can put it back with this
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake2/mods/13?tab=files

Getting my absolute ass kicked in doom 2 refueling base, and it's only the tenth level. Sheesh.

I should make a weapon.

>>10166118
Does this only affect the railgun in the singleplayer or does it affect multiplayer too?

>>10165747
Do computers have souls? Stroggs are just splinters of ai, which use combination of robotics and flesh as their physicals forms.

>>10166258
>Do computers have souls?
tldr when they get sophisticated enough yes go play talos principle

>>10166026
>HEXEN+DK.WAD for you - the anon searching for this specifically
isn't that called HEXDD.WAD? they're all here: https://archive.org/details/2020_03_22_DOOM

but anyway, thanks for the upload

>>10166161
What sort of weapon?

>>10166064
>i can understand why you would want people to use other weapons
I don't. Let people dine, sleep and take a shit with a game mechanic if they want.
One may play or come back to a game in part due to a weapon's satisfactory release, see Doom 2's ssg.
Strafejump is far more embarrassing when you think about it from a game design perspective and it has become a housemark.
feel micromanaged in games like Doom Eternal it's ridiculous.

>>10164758
This reminds me - does /VR/ feature a spawnable "gib fountain" effect outside of the classic "make monsters telefrag eachother upon spawning" hack used in the end of Ep.1?

Any campaigns for Blood that use everything the game has to offer to fuck you over ten times harder than usual? That're intended to be played on Well Done or Extra Crispy? And are actually possible and thought out instead of piss takes?
I've only ever seen user maps that're the same difficulty as the base game, if not easier.

EroTT, for Blood?
Sunlust, for Blood?
Dimensions, for Blood?
Ukuplok Slaughter Map, for Blood?
I Wanna Be The Guy, but Blood?
Pain?

>>10164978
>And any transparent surfaces are kinda fucked.
What's the reason for that happening?

>>10165452
>RNG fireballs with massive AoE
They actually fire at the spot where are you are intended to move in the next second at full sprint, you can exploit this behaviour pattern by jumping right before he lauches his projectile and moving in the opposite direction

>>10166161
One that's as cool as this one, but actually usefull maybe?

>>10166416
Probably texture transparency reworks. Water lighting used to be fullbright but now it can actually match environment lighting; running standard maps in Q2R without recompiling for this in mind just has them fullbright again. There was a lot of under-the-hood tweaks for things like this.

>>10165274
Chaingun segments were also fun. Too bad the marine got blown up on the moon.
>>10165569
>I know some of you must have taken that discord orgy invitation.
There was a moment in time when I was lurking in both Quake Mapping and Nightdive servers, but then left since I just didn't saw the point.
>>10165604
Full credits are important. Being able to tell who did exactly what allows to compliment specific developer. Like >>10165606 mentioned already, there's a detailed map credits for original DOOMs and Quake's.
Having the mess deal with MachineGames' Episodes & Units is just logical.
>>10165620
Jerk is clearly passionate about both games and that's wholesome.

>>10166458
>environment lighting
Transparent surfaces now also transmit lighting according to the Bethesda technical blogpost, which is probably why forcefields don't light properly until rebuilt. You can kind of fix it with ericw's light.exe, but if you just run that on a compiled map the lighting goes all weird, so you really need to decompile/have source and recompile it properly.

Kingpin is the only good Q2 engine game.

>>10165387
OK!

>>10166492
Daikatana's E2 and E3 are good too.

>>10165401
Is there any reason for map platforming to exist in DE?
Was there any kind of dev diary touching on the topic of absolutely pointless bing-bing wahoo sections?

>>10166492
>look mom, I posted again

>>10166512
To give you something more to do in the between-fight hallways than holding W.

>>10166517
>than holding W
and spamming shift to cope with the slow ass movement speed

>>10165572

>>10166526
That's really lame. I don't understand all this hubba. Make the ground pound do 33 damage, sure. Why the fuck not.

>>10165557
>>10165521
Okay I agree now that this leap is looking quite retarded without a proper wind-up animation sequence

>>10166492
>good Q2 engine game
never happened

>>10166564
>look mom, I posted again

>>10166564
>good post by (You)
never happened

>>10166492
SiN.

Finished mapjam3. Tronyn's map was beautiful but the combat left juuust a smidgen to be desired. The final fight was cool, but unfortunately some of the nemesants would bug out and no longer attack me. Good jam, Zerstorer's shotgun is my favorite shotgun in vidya I reckon.

>>10166640
Tronyn's maps are exhausting to play. He was the Mazu of the olden days, incapable of making a map with enemies fewer than 500. His style fits Serious Sam a lot more than Quake

>>10166629
This but fully non-ironicly

>>10166651
They're exhausting in a good way. Not one of his maps have I disliked.

>>10166651
if it has less than 500 enemies it ain't a map
doesn't matter the game
shove 500 in there

>>10166293
It's a mod that combines Hexen and Deathkings into one game specifically and tweaks things for your assumed high level by the time you finish the first, it also happens to be the one thing behind a paywall

>>10166651
I like a lot of his stuff up to 2012. Starting with Something Wicked he lost his damn mind. His mapjam maps are especially bad.

>>10166686
Filtered. There's a reason it's the highest rated map on quaddicted.

>>10166640
>578/576 kills
Rotfish bug?

>>10166707
>There's a reason it's the highest rated map on quaddicted
????

>>10166686
I normally don't like huge maps, but something wicked worked for me.
Though I didn't enjoy the other drake maps I've played (arcanum).

>>10166719
AD is a mappack. As is Rubicon, Underdark, Honey, etc.

>>10162774
From paril at discord, berserkers are getting a nerf
>it's being nerfed, the nerf is already locked in
>it's still annoying, just less annoying which is perfect
>he can still ping-pong off walls
>and jump huge gaps
they are nerfing only the spam timer

>>10166467
Ericw's tools is still alpha, bother him to improve it
he fixed for Q1 and Hexen2

>>10166732
Fucking faggots. Berzerkers were literally nothing before Q2R. Great job dumbasses.

>>10166438
convert that model to md5 and make it high poly

>>10166729
Something Wicked is 3 maps, same as Honey. It even has multiple authors so that makes it more of a map pack than Honey which has a single author. Also that still means single levels like The Dark Portal, Grendel's Blade, Imhotep's Legacy etc. are higher rated.
Something Wicked is an artifact of an age where "bigger = better" since people had just discovered how to break Q1 limits. It hasn't aged well

>>10166686
>Something Wicked he lost his damn mind
In what regard? When was the last time you played it because it's still a stellar map in terms of construction and enemy placements.
>>10166738
I don't like Wicked because bigger = better. I like it because it's a well done map.
>It hasn't aged well
In what regard?

>>10166738
Aktschually PM is the programmer for Drake. Tronyn did all three maps, the other two guys did "scraps" for the main event. Anon is confused, at one point Something Wicked was the highest rated enchilada on Quaddicted, no longer.

>>10166735
Anon, they nerfed ONLY the spam timer of the leaps it seems like.
Also anyone can patch it back.

>>10166741
>>10166738
In fact with all you're saying, I think you're talking just about his map for mapjam3. Nothing you said is applicable to Something Wicked. I can see you getting annoyed at Forest Of Flesh because there are hordes of zombies and shotgunners which can be super bothersome, but even Forest Of Flesh is a good map. It's one of the most beautiful maps done for Quake, but the enemy placements aren't as good as Something Wicked.

>>10166409
play_gibs

>>10166775
Make me

After 2 levels I have come to the conclusion that Blake Stone sucks.
It's Wolfenstein, but literally everything looks the same, whether it be a wall, enemy, or interactable.
And everything takes forever to kill with there being no hit feedback.
And the audio cues suck so you don't know where you're being shot from.
And there's SEVERE ammo starvation plus a unit that has a 75% chance of turning coat and shooting at you at random, which wouldn't be a problem if you weren't expected to conserve ammo and could mow them down indiscriminately, but no.
And enemies just come out of the woodwork without making any sound whatsoever.
And everything looks the same.
And you're slower without the means of mouse strafe boosting.
And everything looks the same.
And nothing flows intuitively.
And the mouse input sucks.
And because the enemies don't die in a timely manner they have a higher chance of getting off a total bullshit damage shot.
And you can't see shit, because everything looks the same.

So basically everything that made Wolf 3D work and fun to play despite its simplicity and RNG element got thrown out the window and you're left with only garbage. Wow.

>>10166629
The game has so cool brushwork stuff I can even masturbate on it!
Especially that secret GEOTHERMAL PLANT with tons of destructible brush entities, trains (or whatever Q2 uses for moving brushes) and other coo stuff. And also BIOMECH FACTORY where you can just stand still and watch how cyborgs being assembled since it's so beautifully made. They've managed to make working entities parenting, brush doors with rotating handles and even had their own func_vehicle!

>>10166835
>even had their own func_vehicle
the ATV controlled terribly but the Wages of Sin expansion had an awesome AG bike that handled beautifully with inertia and suspension. too bad the rest of the expansion is flawed, some glimmers of awesome with the detailed casino, a surprisingly good warehouse level and really detailed terminals but is let down by otherwise generic level design. it doesnt even use the bike in the campaign either.

>>10166325
>One may play or come back to a game in part due to a weapon's satisfactory release, see Doom 2's ssg.
>>“We nerfed the SSG through the Unity port so it’s closer in power to the worst three guns in the game”
That would have been gross. I can see a BFG10k nerf being similarly “justified” to make the hyperblaster “more appealing.”
Encouraging “more weapon use” can also be done through buffs. I would have rather seen the shotgun and grenade launcher be buffed than dissuading people from using better weapons. I also wouldn’t be upset with a railgun ammo nerf or for maximum blasphemy a reduction to its range: I used it most when I needed fat damage to hit multiple fatpooled enemies that are all up in my face.
>>10166738
The only thing about Something Wicked that threw me off was the difficulty: Nightmare was more fun and relaxed than I was expecting while the next one up filtered me with the respawning enemies. I’ll need to try it again but the progression, scale, and combat all felt great.

>>10166995
Hell difficulty is not balanced. It's just sort of a joke. There's one difficulty below that that's hidden by a console command, it's the same as Hell (enemies that fire projectiles will track you) there's just no revive.

Somehow the remaster has even worse gameplay than vanilla lmao. Rofl.

>>10166995
>I would have rather seen the shotgun and grenade launcher be buffed than dissuading people from using better weapons
Good point.

>>10167036
Got lost on your way to /b/?

>>10167056
Wwhat did he mean by this?

>>10167036
Now you're just being retarded on purpose dear Anon

>>10166681
how are they combined inside there? hexen.wad is 19.1MB and hexdd is 4.23MB, hexen+dk.wad is 8.75MB. should it be loaded on top of hexen like a pwad? trying that now

Did The Reckoning rip off the airstrike map from base Quake 2, or did I somehow forget playing the rest of this expansion?

>>10167056
>>10167113
Stop replying to bait.

>>10166732
Discord? What Discord? The Q1 mapping one? Is SP Railgun getting unnerfed?

>>10167201
nightdive discord, also sponge bent a bit and railgun in SP will be buffed to 125 off its original 150 dmg

>decide to try out multiplayer on Quake 2 remaster
>not one (1) single server under 150 ping despite being in east coast US
>join lowest ping deathmatch server I can find
>instantly get ear raped by an offspring of Shub Niggurath with a Xbox symbol next to his name
>he's screaming about someone using grenades, making crude Call of Duty comparisons, and alluding to committing homicide with his .38 caliber 'piece'
>fuck about with audio settings for a couple minutes before realizing there's literally no way to turn down voice chat volume and just disable it
>try actually playing the game
>upon unpausing, my camera flies through various parts of the map for a good 30 seconds (presumably where I've been spawnkilled while my ears were bleeding)
>look at the scoreboard during this time, noting that out of 8 players the highest kill count is just 4, and three people have negative scores
>all inputs are delayed, with latency going up and down at random
>grab BFG and go to shoot it, but it just gets stuck the middle of the firing animation
>have to jump in lava because I can't switch weapons or anything
>eventually end up getting in the lead, getting lucky with the shotgun and grenades
>lag icon comes up, and everything freezes for a couple minutes
>someone nearby was mid-jump, so his HUH sound it just looping over and over
>see players slowly disconnect
>suddenly game crashes

10/10, would experience this Lovecraftian horror again

>>10167204
>125
150 or bust. 125 is still too small. It has to be 150 damage unless it's MP where nerfing RG is actually reasonable.

>>10167207
>voice chat
There's voice chat now? In MY Q2?? holy hell now I'm glad I have a pirated copy that can't connect to the Internet

>>10167210
mp is still 100
sp is 125
also it is all sponge's fault.

>>10167207
there is voice chat because of consoles.

>>10167217
>>10167204
>125
Gladiators are still four hits but that’ll mean berserkers and icaruses are back to 2-hit kills. I’ll take it.

>>10166150
So now that I'm not trying to play 5 hours past the time I usually go to bed I realize that you don't have to kill the cyberdemon to clear the level... I did still end up killing him by finding the secret that gives you an extra invulnerability in the upper area though lol. Finally able to move on.

>>10167204
What an incredibly awkward half-measure. I can't imagine trying to autistically 'balance' a singleplayer mode like this, yet alone one you didn't make.

shame they're gonna puss out on the railgun damage. Should've stood by their gameplay changes instead of bending the knee immediately

>>10167303
>seemingly the only custom Malice map to have been made
>BTFOs 90% of custom Quake maps
heh
Malice jam when?

>>10167303

>>10167318
>BTFOs 90% of custom Quake maps
Maybe if your taste is garbage. Bullet sponges enemies aren't fun

>>10167327
Not as spongy as Quake's enemy roster, especially when accounting for the increased DPS of comparable weapons. The minigun absolutely shreds like the SNG could never dream of doing.

>>10167337
The only thing I remember from that map is
>wow, pretty
>jeez, these enemies are shit, especially the boss since it takes 1000 hits to kill

>>10167303
>>10167318
>>10167319
ive been on a quake kick lately (i finished The Dark Triad and it rules, by the third level it plays almost like a survival horror game) but what keeps me from trying this is that i dont like Malice. great gunplay but the level design is awful. maybe the layouts\key\switch hunts arent as convoluted as i remember but the extremely repetitive texturing makes levels confusing to navigate. but judging by those screenshots maybe it avoids that issue.

>>10167341
>but judging by those screenshots maybe it avoids that issue.
Yeah, as long as you pay attention to the signage throughout the level and what button popups tell you has unlocked it's pretty easy to navigate compared to the vanilla maps. A few parts are a bit cryptic still, but not overly-so.

>>10167319

>>10167337
>Not as spongy as Quake's enemy roster
unlike stock Quake, Malice changes enemy health with difficulty. on hard it's MUCH spongier, it's not even close.

>>10167135
Load order, use Hexen's iwad:

[hexen.hexen.Autoload]
Path=$PROGDIR/BrutalHexenRPG_V7.5.pk3
Path=$PROGDIR/HEXDD.wad
Path=$PROGDIR/HEXEN+DK.WAD

And Heretic

[heretic.Autoload]
Path=$PROGDIR/BrutalHereticRPG_V5.0.pk3
Path=$PROGDIR/mk-episodic-ex[1.1.0].pk3

>>10167267
They are gonna return the damage back to normal?

From a UK magazine, "playstation plus" September 97. Any more info on these attempts, assuming this is real?

>>10167430
they didn't have Lobotomy Software working miracles for them

>>10167267
It was a stupid change and them trying to come up with justifications would've been more stupid. I can't imagine how they could've stood by it.

>>10167461
The railgun is busted OP. People are just mad they have to use other weapons and not a solve all problems weapon.

>>10167449
They did, no publisher wanted to take the project even with a prototype made.

>>10167472
they were giga retards then

>>10167204
Why the fuck doesn't Nightdive get an alternate chat medium or two in the form of either Viber, Hexchat,Telegram, or Signal? Discord is not all that there is, after all.

>>10167207
>>fuck about with audio settings for a couple minutes before realizing there's literally no way to turn down voice chat volume
W H Y
H
Y

>>10167553
Q2R confirmed goyslop

>>10167553
>>10167567
>>10167207
>he doesn't use a Douq soundboard to harass the server
>ngmi

>>10167501
I dunno. I kinda fucking hate discord. Used it for a while but it's annoying. It's like a mini internet where information goes to die, and everyone is using it for what would be forums now... I just want forums.

>>10166064
I agree with Ridley, the damage nerf is just fucking stupid, and just scaling the damage nerf back a bit is pointless, the change in AI already takes away the stealth bonus in most cases already, it's already nerfed enough in that sense.

>>10167501
Because shitcord is now a pseudo-forum too with threads and so on

>>10167572
BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS

>>10167609
Signal has better time with user data. Who knows? maybe Discord is selling not only information to Meta, but also Google, and Amazon. Perhaps Nightdive is getting back hand deals with Discord's Admins.

>>10167616
GET OFF VENT OR I'ILL HAVE YOU BENT

>>10166809
I was going to write a length-y post on you being a retard, but then I saw
>And the mouse input sucks.
and decided that calling you simply a faggot for not using a keyboard would suffice.

>>10167714
It's a first person shooter, Wolfenstein 3D had mouse support.

>>10167724
>>10167714
Also mouse movement in Wolf3D is fun

>>10167616
I've tried getting my hands on his book for years

YEARS

>>10167468
It's slow and easy to miss with it.

>>10167724
Yes. It also had a joystick support for the real chads.
>>10167732
Fuck no. Strafing especially becomes a chore.

>>10167765
i want to get a PDF of that duke3d level design book for the developer interviews

>>10165845
kek

>>10167780
Use strafelock.

>>10167818
Or I can just use arrow keys and alt.

>>10167780
>Fuck no. Strafing especially becomes a chore.
yeah but you can crank one with your left hand now

>>10167841
Or I can move and maneuver like greased lightning by stacking WASD with mouse movement, mouse strafing, and mouse turning. NoVert exists for a reason for Doom, but goddamn, moving with your mouse with Wolf3D is like nothing else, I love it.

FNF's going up. Vanilla with a DM WAD called Lazarus: password is boltedtothefloor

>>10167501
Nobody's gonna waste a social media manager on any of those platforms
>Viber, Signal
Literally who.
>Hexchat
You mean IRC, the client doesn't really matter. Might as well suggest setting up an alt. Usenet group, you'll get the same oldness of oldfag.
>Telegram
Maybe if they were eastern euros.

>>10167859
>wasd
>in Wolf clones
Thanks, I barfed.

>>10167975
>you aren't a TRVE gamer unless you use ass backwards retard controls
>even for modern custom maps obviously built around the precision and reaction times a mouse and wasd setup would beget
lol eat shit grandpa
preferably the shit in your depends
cuz u stink

>>10167958
>Viber
An app with a purpel-pinkish background that has VoIP and instant messaging abilities. Great for avoiding Whatsapp.
Oh, and there's also Kakaotalk.

>>10167993
Eat preservative-filled (((Imitation meat))) stupid filthy goy.

>>10167732
Mouse movement was always my preferred way of playing Wolf 3D. Moving and aiming with the arrow keys lacked the precision I got with just the mouse, especially aiming. Wallpeaking with mouse only by scraping up against a corner or jiggle peaking by holding down the alt key and moving the mouse left and right both felt way more intuitive than the alternative. Only time I used arrow keys for movement was in combination with mouse movement + sprint to go lightning fast.

>>10167913

>>10167993
What Wolf3D modern custom maps have you played that required said setup?
I'd get it if we talked about Doom, or at least RoTT, but not Wolf.
>>10168008
You aim in a general direction then strafe correct yourself in a position where you shoot someone.
Like, it's a game where you often move by strafing around, which is easier with arrow keys.

>>10168035
some folks like throwing 50 bajillion mutants everywhere in their user maps
which is fine if you can move properly and shoot them at some point in the next century, and not fine if you can't
anytime it becomes about reaction you need a normal setup, otherwise you're just masochistic, in a dumb way, not a fun way

why yes, i play with the arrow keys.

>>10168073
*dislocates jaw 30 times a minute*

>>10168073
I bet you also use C for crouching, you monster.

>>10167616
I miss him, bros

>>10168056
Skill issue.

>>10168108
why yes i use the right control key to crouch

>>10167204
OH FUCK OFF.
Why is Sponge such a fucking sperg? The railgun is meant to be powerful. That's the entire point of it. He wasn't even there when the game came out, this guy comes across as one of those slipseer creeps only with an official title.

>>10168108
Not him, but despite not really playing the old-school shooters when they were new, I'm too used to having "C" be the crouch button now.

list of good crouch buttons
>CTRL
>Mouse2 if you need it for enhanced rocket jumping
>X, as a toggle, or if CTRL is a more important function like directional dashing

>>10168154
I use left shift

>>10168157
>crouch several times in a sequence
>game alt-tabs
>"Do you want to enable sticky keys?"

>>10168157
unintuitive as it incentives you to let go of A due to being as easy to reach with your ring finger as your pinky finger
only use it if your ctrl button sucks

>>10168164
I always disabled that immediately.
Though now I'm on Linux, that doesn't even exist.

>>10168168
Funny, I just default my pinky onto left shit nowadays without thinking about it. CTRL is the weird one for me and I usually never hit it.
I also have CTRL and shift on my mouse buttons by default for most things.

>The Quake 2 expansions
I can't believe I'm putting myself through The Reckoning again, it was boring the first and only other time I've played it.
At least they supposedly made the Beta Gladiators less bullshit to deal with, and the turrets in Ground Zero are also meant to be less of a pain.

>>10168173
>he doesn't enjoy smuggling into a crate onto a strogg ship that then takes you to the stroggos moon
Subpar taste detected

>>10168154
I use the space bar for Quake 2 and any fps that doesn't have an alt fire for their guns.

>>10168179
You mean the Strogg moon filled with Beta Gladiators with their insane health and the Makron is there despite being killed by Bitterman?

>>10167204
Good good, 125 is fine.

>>10168148
you spoke of that
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?threads/quake-2-support-yay-or-nay.129/page-2#post-2370
they are opening vacancies for Q2 mapping now that the remaster removed all map limitations q2 had

>>10167235
>>10168185
fake posts btw
accept nothing short of complete reversal

>>10168183
Just use cell-based weapons to cut through the shields faster like hyperblaster/ion ripper/bfg10k.
As for Makron, yeah it's a shame they had to reuse him but ultimately it's a very solid episode with cool setpieces.

>>10168183
I'm pretty sure The Reckoning is a prequel. Not that it makes any more sense that way.

>>10168193
Don't tell me what to do.
125 is fine. So would be 120.

>>10168198
im gonna line you up infront of nightdive hq and fire a 150dmg rail thru bothaya

>>10168198
Not him, but I disagree. 150 was great, this guy had no right or good reason to nerf it at all.

>>10168196
That is because reckoning was supposed to have its own boss, which in case, the PS1 boss can be used in its place
or someone can take the unfinished enemy boss at the idvault and finish it

>>10168196
>>10168195
I just regarded it as another warlord. Still liked the Widow and her second stage the most so far.
>10168193
Ideally they should pull a KMQ2 and let me edit everything. I'll take 125 but it's still not ideal. It's kind of strange how much control I have over the look of everything compared to how many gameplay mechanics I can change. At least I can disable quick switch speed.

>>10168208
>>10168215
nah, it was broken it needed nerfing.

>>10168239
I miss boss-only levels in games, like the one you posted and Final Showdown in the original campaign. There's something cool about having an entire level dedicated to just the boss, especially if there's lead-up to it.

>>10168240

>>10168215
>Not him, but I disagree.
Sadly I can't upvote you here.

All this talk about nerfing the Railgun. Well you know what needs buffed? The Chainfist!

>>10168267
Melee weapons in shooters are for flexing, they're not supposed to be a feasible alternative to guns (and if devs try to make it that way, their game starts to suck).
That's why you get the "HUMILIATION" award in Q3A if you melee-kill someone since it's humiliating; it's just not supposed to happen.

>>10168267
Truly a dumb piece of wasted slot

>>10168250
A lead up with a real low monster count works for me too. There's also some fun irony with the Widow spawning enemies herself.
>>10168267
>hitstuns even on hardest skill
I've had fun with that.

>>10168272
>wasted
that would imply there's a hard limit on how many weapons you can have in the game

>>10168267
I've heard it was actually buffed. Haven't tried GZ yet, so I can't confirm it.

>>10168270
but gauntlet is completely viable situationally, especially with quad
dumb comparison

>>10168280
>completely viable
>...situationally
Thanks for making my point for me, retard

>>10168286
?
it kills fast
really fast
better than some guns
chainfist don't do that

>>10168272
Not like you were hitting 1 in any of the expansions anyway.

>Melee weapons in shooters are for flexing
Or saving ammo, or are actually real good. Depends on the game. This one has two viable melee weapons for some reason and the guns are still great.

the downside to melee should be that it's really dangerous to use not that it does less dps than your worst gun

>>10168306
>>10168307
>Picked up the chainsaw in Quake 2
>Try it once
>Dropped the chainsaw in Quake 2

>>10166064
Highest damage per minute to lowest and pointed out the Railguns with arrows:

1. BFG 10K: 17,500 (looking at enemy)
2. Chaingun: 13,440
3. Hyperblaster: 12,000
4. Ion Ripper: 10,000
5. Plasma Beam: 9,000
6. Rocket Launcher: 7,000 - 8,400 (direct hit)
7. Super Shotgun: 6,000
8. ETF Rifle: 6,000
9. Pre-nerf Railgun: 5,700 <-------------------
10. Phalanx: 5,700
11. Grenade Launcher: 5,100 - 5,600 (direct hit)
12. Machinegun: 4,800
13. Nerfed Railgun: 3,800 <-------------------
14. Hand Grenade: 3,250
15. Proximity Launcher: 3,000
16. Shotgun: 2,400
17. Chainsaw: 2,100
18. Blaster: 1,200

Can't place:
Trap: instant kill but most larger enemies are immune
Tesla Mine: ?

The pre-nerf Railgun sits at the #9 spot out of 18 weapons a.k.a. right in the middle (#6 out of 11 without expansion weapons), a mid-tier weapon yet it was deserving of a nerf for some reason? This is made even more absurd by the fact that ALL THREE of the top 3 weapons in the game GOT BUFFED. Why? WHY?! The ridiculousness doesn't end because the nerfed Railgun sits at the #13 spot (#8 out of 11 without expansion weapons, this is absolutely insane!). The nerfed RG is only better than the ammo-less emergency weapons and "starter" guns which get superior versions later such as the Super Shotgun, Grenade Launcher, Chaing-hey wait a minute...The nerfed Railgun is WORSE than the Machinegun, a starter weapon that gets an upgrade in the form of the Chaingun.

So the nerfed RG isn't even better than the intentionally crappy guns despite formerly being a power weapon meant to take on the most dangerous tanky enemies in the game. It's the second to last weapon you find, when top tier enemies become much more commonplace, yet it gets outpaced by one of the first guns you find which gets an upgraded version later on. A mid tier weapon nerfed to the point where it's one of the worst weapons in the game while top tier weapons like the BFG, Chaingun and Hyperblaster GOT BUFFS! This is not game balance!

>>10168306
it's also fun to get up close and cheese enemies like pinkos with punches

>>10168349
Punch-out with Revenants is fun

>>10168356
yep
>>10168334
you should have picked up the chainsaw in Quake 1 instead

>>10168363
forgot pic

>>10168198
115 wouldn't be so bad either.

>>10168372
pretty sure the chainsaw was sourced from Zerstorer, i'll need to play that one sometime. this visual in True Love Awaits goes so hard.

>>10168376
yep it's my kind of aesthetic i'm just a bit worried it will kick my ass

>>10168267
Honestly the big problem is that nearly every single enemy shoots, and the two-three that don't attack as soon as you're in range now. Even if you buffed the damage or attack timing, the Chainfist is fundamentally at odds with the enemies.

>>10168374
But not as good as 165.

>>10168346
I didn't think the hyperblaster was so strong. I'll be honest, I practically never use energy weapons cus I wanna keep that power armour stocked up.

Maybe I'll do a no power armour run. Games a little on the easy side with that shit.

Give Railgun a projectile alt fire that moves slowly, but does more damage, and when you shoot that projectile with a Railgun, it explodes and does area damage.
Boom, solved.

>there is a mobile port of Quake 4 and Prey, but no proper one for PC
I hate it!

>>10168349
>>10168356
Then you find a berserk and everything is even better.
>>10168439
>no proper Q4 PC port
What do you want from one that you can't get now?

Quake 2's Railgun.

>>10168450
wait a minute that's a serious sam skybox!