/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
A SERIOUS CASE OF /vr/
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9611263/#9611406

=== FINISH LINE ===
FORE/VR/ ALONE (Submissions closed)
Link to BETA3: https://files.catbox.moe/u9smv4.zip

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9941667/#q9941720

=== NEVER EVER ===
94 Protons Of /vr/ Weapons Demo >>10144443

=== NEWS ===
[8-12] WIP Perfect Dark Port For PC Released
https://github.com/fgsfdsfgs/perfect_dark

[8-10] Quake II Kex-based remaster released
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2320/view/3644027577415996831

[8-10] Quake II 25th Aniversary Collaborative Unit - v1.0 released
https://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/Quake225ACU.zip

[8-10] Q-Type DM (Q1 Themed DM Pack for Doom 2)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/139030

[8-10] Deathmatch Dimension added to officially curated Q1 mods
https://mods.silver.quakeapi.com/dmd.pak

[8-10] BTSX E3 demo released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104557

[8-10] Titan 1.0 released (Doom 2016 weapons)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXjNuFytqYI

[8-09] Tribute Quilt released
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/Ports/s-u/tributequilt

[8-08] The Rotting Jam for Quake is out
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/rotting-jam.254/

[8-08] Doom RL Arsenal Extended 1.1 released, with new classes and unlockables.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1243536#p1243536

[8-02] Peril, Quake mod based on Arcane Dimensions, releases after 3 years in development
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/peril3-0.253/

[8-02] DBP60: Eldritch Voyage is out now
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3301/eldritch-voyage

[7-31] Rise of the Triad: Ludicrous Edition released
https://youtu.be/3A8X2tqQuGY

[7-22] Voxel Doom II release trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQK8m41daAk


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how often would you say that an official map manages to break your penis

>>10154827
>Keep least fun better Strogg
>Currently doubt engine cursor
>Lore wall real
>Combat overrides argument

>>10154827
>post ass using QUAKE
well? i'm waiting

>>10154831
literally at the end of the last thread

>>10154831

>want the speed and feel of Ironwail
>want the aesthetics of Quake KEX
AGHGHGHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGH

>>10154827
>monsters different, thanks nightdive
>guess enemies version change
wtf is this thing sentient

>>10154837
use Quakespasm faggot

>>10154825
>>10154835

>>10154840
Jerk Gustafsson is pulling the strings of the AI

>>10154806
Bosses were the low point of that expansion for me. A lot of the time I found that weapons were completely missable, and there isn't really any way to go back and get them when you really need them. I saw a couple of secret expansion weapons, but stuff like rockets or railguns would be regularly kept away from the player.
I don't see myself ever going back to that expansion after finishing it.

>>10154835
Bad anon

>>10154845
that can't be official

>>10154853
not with that attitude

>>10154835
hello.bsp

>>10154818
MY NAME IS DUKE NUKEM AND I EAT SHIT FOR BREAKFAST

>>10154879

Favorite first person melee games?

>>10154827
>talking based weapon
>mind expansions updated forgot hivemind
>almost magic code
>eventually bullshit possible

>>10154889
>Dick Suckem

>>10154903
for me, it's Hexen

>>10154906
>mind expansions updated forgot hivemind
Definitely sounds like something that'd happen to me.

>>10154903
None really
I play Dark Messiah as a mage because if I wanted to move like a drunk cripple while fighting I'd go outside with a knife.

>>10154903
Me-me? I'm a Riddick boy.

>>10154818
Tips for good Linux experience for Doom launchers. Really liked Internet Doom Explorer when I used to play on Windows, but there is nothing similar for Linux, with multiplayer support + auto-download for mods.

>>10154950
Try Luxtorpeda if you're on Steam Deck, can't speak for how well it works on other distros/setups.

>>10154950
Should run fine on Wine or Proton.

>>10154825
I've been playing a lot of ROTT since they released the new port, I bought it just for nostalgia but ended up kind of addicted to the game.
ROTT is pretty underrated. The game is kind of shallow but after you adapt to the gameplay that is not very conventional, it becomes quite satisfying.
Even the shitty ass levels I didn't like when I was a kid now seem to make a lot more sense to me. The original level design is quite competent.

Note:I created a parkour level with the dog:

https://youtu.be/re1GrcZSJNY

>>10154954
I'm on Arch, so it should be fine. Will look into it.
>>10154956
Any special things to do to link the engines and the IWAD folders? Kinda a newbie Linux beginner and I am not sure if the executable is aware of the file system beyond the Wine prefix where it lays.

>>10154957
you better call your map barkour

>KSHHHK
>ATTENTION ALL MARINE UNITS WE'RE UNDER ATTACK BY AN UNKNOWN ENEMY FORCE
>YAAAAAGH
>EVERYONE REPORT TO YOUR COMBAT STATIONS
>THIS IS NOT A DRILL
>I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A DRILL GOD DAMN IT

Man Marathon has been fun. I like how the alien invasions were given context, and you can see they're doing something, not just abstractly invading. Like those ponytail cyborgs hanging around terminals, with the skinny dudes guarding them, or how I held onto the circuits from the previous level, to fix some stuff in the next.
Melee combat is busted, not sure if it's the source port or what, but it's really easy to just punch everyone out. I have max ammo on everything just from jabbing everyone. I have the God Hand

>New Quake 2 campaign and 64 on PC
>New RoTT campaign
>Perfect Dark source port

If I wanna play Arcane Dimensions on Ironwail, should I just the level select as opposed to the hub?
And is there a prefered order to play the levels in?

>>10155006
4 levels have secret runes and unlock the final map. they are all in the first hub, marked by little runic cubes.
that's the only thing that carries over and won't work with level select. you can just choose the end map without unlocking it as intended, of course.

>>10154963
I'm just relaying what I read on their page, haven't really used it on Linux. Zandronum does have a Linux port, though, and that's focused on multiplayer.

>>10154950
Here's a tip: stop using Linux cus it has no games

Is Hedon worth playing on the bearzerk difficulty or is that just a silly gimmick?
I really like the game and finished it on Brutalizing before, but I crave more cute orc amazons.

Does GZDoom support flight stick input? My dad wants to play Doom again after 30 years, and flight sticks are the only intuitive controls for him

>>10155047
All Doom ports are derived from Dave Taylor's Linux port. You are subhuman.

>>10155043
I mean, Zandrorum is the engine, IDE is the launcher. I had to install Zandrorum as a flatpak, weird not even AUR has a package for it, so I have to see how I send the launcher to the Zandrorum binary.

@10155047
Bad bait, no (You) for (You).
Also I am comfortably playing all the games I ever need, so idc. My programming environment is more important than to easily set up some games.

>>10155006
the hub is love
the hub is life
packs without hub are fake and gay

>>10155063
Get Doomseeker for Zandronum. For singleplayer launchers there are options but I don't use any of them, just some simple bash scripts.

>>10154835
>qoatse

>>10154954
>Luxtorpeda
does it support nugget doom?
also how does doom control on deck?

is Reforged dead?

>>10154879
IT'S TIME TO EAT SHIT AND DIE, AND I'M ALL OUT OF PISS

>>10155127
I don't think it does unfortunately. Other sourceports control alright on Deck as long as you're okay with hooking up a keyboard and setting them up in advance since the defaults typically aren't ideal out of the box.

>>10154825
only TNT can give me the feeling of getting lost in an IWAD but I'm not sure of that's a good thing, and plutonia has a lot of memes about its chaingunners but TNT shotgunners blasting you for 45 around every corner adds up
the secret map of Quake 1 episode 3 is where the game started to show its teeth for me
Blood episode 4 is still hard after knowing where everything is, really starves you for ammo and armor while throwing more shit at you than episode 1

>>10155182
SHIT, I'M LOOKING FRESH

After taking way too long on a map that definitely should have been completed way earlier, I am almost ready to release my entry for A Serious Case of /vr/. I'll post a test version later today that hopefully shouldn't need any major revisions. I wish I could have put more effort into this map but near the end I got afflicted with some serious pain in my hands that's been preventing me from doing a lot of computer work recently. Had to ask for some outside help to finish up the map which I am extremely thankful for.

>>10154818
> I am Duke Bravo, the one-man army!

>>10154819
Minor followup to the 94 Guns Demo, a patch for the GzDoom weapons which tones down a bunch of the effects, Baikalanon at the least noted that he experienced slowdowns with the Plasma.

https://mega.nz/file/X45gAbJL#Q97G2n1cxwuWC6AxUhtpHdzbePPxDpJFLN1rGchkoH0

There's a toned down version of the BFG Ball and its Extra, but I commented it out because for whatever reason, it seems to make GzDoom freeze up on impact. I'm probably missing something obvious, or maybe GzDoom doesn't like the sequence of inheriting and replacing I'm doing. Used in far lower volume than rockets and plasma anyway, so less of a concern.

>Quake 64
>Quake 2 64
>not just calling it Quake 128

>>10154879
>>10155182
YOUR PISS, MY PISS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE

>>10155292
I'LL RIP YOUR SHIT OFF AND PISS DOWN YOUR ASS.

>>10154901
not bringing his a-game for soundtracks cause he wants to do something proper in a real band later on
I dunno how a brand can get more proper than Doom...

>>10154903
Quake 3 Arena

Are these glitchy fucks finally got fixed in the remaster?
I mean how in the vanilla Q2 you needed to aim for their tailbase to actually hit them with anything that isn't a shotgun or an explosive weapon due to some trully jarring hitbox misalingment happening...
also was their unused alternate tail-smack attack animation got restored?

>>10154835
>The Sacred Temple of Goa Tse is rumored to be somewhere in the secret underground city of Q'ake Tu.

>>10155294
FLUSH IT OUT YOUR BUTT

>>10155418
>>10154835
i want this to be a full degenerate expansion so good that even normies hear about it and that Night Dive under sheer global pressure has no choice butt to ass it to the remaster.

>unda der oshun am at
>dip it
>deep under the sea
>where da shub niggur at
>spread it
>i am the goat, see

>>10155452
>not remasster

>>10155459
it's ogre

>>10155292
>Pissing out of the window, and shitting out of the window. What's the difference?

>>10154847
>his name really is Jerk
That explains quite alot I guess?
Also why the fuck is every single website that isn't ModDB which had any sort of Quake2 content preserved is now dead?
I wanted to play his Age Of Panic mapset to accompany this shitpost with a screencap of of it.

>>10154903

>MFW a tresspassah needs to be smashed and slammed

You guys playing the Quake 2 multiplayer? I've only played Quake Live back in the day, and a bit of Quake 3, so this is a lot of fun and nostalgic.
I've noticed a lot of people are using mics too.
The only problem is the servers disconnecting me seemingly at random

>>10154906
>Dstriding as Wraith after all these market changes since I last updated
Ow my balls this has been rough. Ammo's never felt more valuable and rifts have never felt so devastating. I'm at map 16 of Hellbound after the two secret maps and I'm still only on one license. The crossbow has been invaluable through all this, especially with removing enemy shields - even when they get respawned.
I managed to at least sink an hour into this last night despite the Quake 2 fever.

Why in the world isn't my gzdoom stable 60fps on some maps with a lot of objects n shit? Sth like Lullaby is noticeably choppy in some places at the wrong angle.
My desktop is an old pile of shit (ryzen 3600, rx580) but gzdoom should run smoothly on a laptop from 2010

>>10155502
Women like winners, Halligan

Is there a difference in AI between hard and hard+ in the remaster? Because those frog things are dumb as shit and get stuck constantly

>>10155589
Huh that's weird, gzdoom is optimized though.
Maybe this video will help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rMhI7kv6JI

>>10155567
>even when they get respawned.
Fun fact: enemies track their original positions. When a rift or box "respawns" them, it simply moves them to that position and revives, giving the impression that they got respawned. The counter grows, but the number of actors remains the same regardless of how long you stay on the map. Muh performance.
>Ammo's never felt more valuable and rifts have never felt so devastating.
Glad to hear that's working as intended.
>I'm at map 16 of Hellbound after the two secret maps and I'm still only on one license.
That, not so much. But it's hard to tell if it's because of reckless spending, unlucky RNG with regards to fixed prices, or just bad balance. The main issue with balacing money is that equipment is expensive while ammo is super cheap. I'll give this a thought. It's a "will maybe address" for now. Kind of taking it easy and playing other games for once.

hey anyone play that new total conversion mod scientist that was mentioned in qcon? looks absolutely terrible but I wanted to check if it's worth the download

>>10155502
Liu Kang mode.

>>10155632
no, but I've read through the interview and there's a funny detail I've noticed.
both the Scientist's dev and the guy behind Deathmatch Dimension mention getting contacted out of the blue by Kevin Cloud of all people, asking to finish up and release their decade+ old projects.
which on the one hand is kinda based, getting Than back into the game like that. and if Kevin really is actively playing community Doom and Quake maps, that's pretty awesome.
but I can't shake the feeling that it's a little weird, like it's a PR thing using their last OG dev, though I don't see the point, especially in private communication.

>>10154819
What does Quake 25th unit 1.0 mean? What was the original one? What's changed?

>>10155665
Kek

The new AI in Quake 2 loves in-fighting, I don't remember if I ever saw them in-fight when I played Quake 2 OG so it's neat seeing who wins what fights.
>>10155287
Neither port actually used 64 in their title although Doom 64 did.

Johnny bravo is dukes spergy younger brother

>>10155727
I saw lots of berserkers owning gunners in vanilla. Gunners love spreading their bullets around and hitting other strogg only to then get slapped around.

It's been so long since I've played The Reckoning, I remember this thing being much cooler. It's like a weird bastard child of the shotgun and RL, with much slower fire rate and projectile speed than either. It does 150 damage if both orbs connect, so I guess it's alright for spamming against Tanks.

>>10155452
>>where da shub niggur at

>>10155609
How often are you gonna post your video?

>>10155816
I like the Phalanx but the Ion Ripper is cooler. Both have high skill ceilings to be used effectively

>>10155834
that's not my video though, the post just reminded me of those 2 videos.
And it's true for me too, my laptop barely reaches 120fps and even then it's not stable, i have given up on performance for gzdoom.

>>10155685
Don't think I'm breaking any NDA by saying this, but Cloud was hands on in other add-on releases as well. I don't think it's a gimmick or clout maneuver. It's... Ya know... His job. Also he probably has a personal interest in seeing Doom thrive and all.

>>10155710
>What's changed?
Debase and Fuel Dump were added.

>>10155778
I guess I was just unlucky when it came to infighting in vanilla.

>>10155862
thanks. it's the part about projects being unfinished prior to the contact that weirds me out. just a strange pattern. makes me wonder if a similar conversation happened with Kell over Quoth >>10150912

>>10154950
I use DoomRunner.

>>10155452
>where da shub niggur at
lold

>Decide to use Armagon in my VR map
>get most things set up so that he's a big midway climax point, and defeating him is an essential part of level progression
>keep fiddling with him because he keeps causing me issues
>slowly start to realize that he's rather shittily designed, and that the only way he really works is how SoA used him, in a big, empty arena
>now deciding whether I should tweak him more or just scrap the whole area
fuck man, shamblers don't give me this grief

>>10154818
New doomer here
Any graphic mods I should look at/you guys like? Maybe even music mods?
Also I've just been running gzdoom.exe but is there a launcher that handles map/mod installation for me?
Thanks

>>10156013
Fuck with the volley settings. You can fine tune precisely when he will fire between each attack.

Quake 3 remaster technically has a campaign they could work with.

>>10156032
>graphic mods
Brightmaps plus is all you should use. And Smooth Doom personally I don't like it. Maybe enable bloom in GZDoom setting if you're that desperate.

>>10155816
I think it’s now a flatly better DPS option for the same slot bearing the “railgun changes” in mind.

>>10156032
set sector light to "software" and get some brightmaps. maybe smooth doom for animations.
ZDL is the simplest launcher, but you can do without (depends on the degree of OCD).

for music, get a soundfont. I think SCC1 is closest to GZDoom's, except with sane instrument volumes. composers use RLNDGM as reference, afaik. I recommend remastered gm.dls: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/118TpIuJPrvNcNNIYs-kXb-jcwQYeSLEI
there's also Hulshult's cover of Doom 1 OST if you're into this kind of stuff

>>10156032
Play DSDA-Doom like God intended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqIepNdPKiA

>>10156068
>GM HD
My niggurath.
>>10156070
>DSDA-Doom
>not Woof or Nugger

>>10156070
>1914+109
>recommending DSDA
Do you want to get reported for trolling?

Why did saturn quake have so much sovl?

>>10154931
*ctrl-i*

What source port do kids use these days?
>ZDoom is dead
>GZdoom became a very unoptimized indie game engine
>Chocolate Doom still won't let me choose a post 1993 resolution
>PrBoom is.. still there I guess

>>10156086
DSDA Doom and Woof i guess

>>10156086
GZDoom and Woof.

>>10156035
It's not the frequency of his attacks, it's every aspect of him.

-Only enemy in stock Quake to lead his shots, which is likely to throw off players who've never or rarely fought him outside of the expansion
-Does this in conjunction with a rapid-firing salvo of lasers and rockets that do absurd damage (his damage_mod is 0.3 and it's still highly lethal)
-His deadliness depending on distance is all over the place. At long range he does a reasonable 1 2 combo, the instakill salvo is only at midrange, and up close he's harmless, only being able to defend himself with a bizarre, jank knockback move that does little damage, yet sends the player zooming through the air
-The unique way his model is set up (torso and legs are separate) seems to cause severe issues with his pathfinding, and he'll get stuck on any geometry separating him and his target, causing him to walk in place while his fatass hitbox is ripe for shooting at

I really want to use him because custom maps utilizing expansion stuff is criminally rare, but these might all be reasons as to why this is the case. I dunno, maybe these aren't hindrances if he's used in a flat space with backup minions to cover him, but fitting that into what I've built will be a bit of an issue.

>>10156096
>>10156107
>Woof
Sounds like a furry project.
What's so good about it?

>>10156112
It's like Crispy Boom

>>10156112
try nugget then

>>10156075
>>10156073
What's wrong with DSDA?

>>10156109
I can't check right now but doesn't violent rumble have some special path corners for angry monsters? Maybe those can help.

>>10156117
Lots of garbage changes over the past year or so.

Holy reddit

>>10156109
The damage_mod is float ain't it? Just continue halving until it's satisfying. The other issues are less amiable.
>>10156121
VRanon is this true? That's a pretty great feature if so. Serious Sam has it I know that.

>>10156128
Just use from doom with love then

>>10156086
>Chocolate Doom still won't let me choose a post 1993 resolution
What do you want me to say? DUHHHHHHH?

>>10154931
Imagine how vascular his dick looks

>>10156143
Try it again when you get the rest of me and your dad's cum out of your mouth

>>10156149
Wow, that Anon has TWO Dads

>>10155859
Tried GLES?

OH NO NO NO

>>10154950
Just use terminal, bro.
Even on Windows I open Doom stuff with cmd/Powershell

>>10156121
All I'm aware of is trigger_monsterface, which forces monsters who can't see their target to turn and run towards a specific angle. But the arena I've designed has a bunch of func_breakable pillars that serve as temporary cover, and they're thin enough that I'd have to place multiple monsterfaces next to each other, which usually causes whatever's inside to get stuck. And if the player catches on that each pillar has these triggers surrounding them, they can just play peekaboo as usual and kill Armagon without him ever retaliating.

I'll keep at this though. Maybe rearrange some pillars, or if all else fails, load the player up on resources and have a Battlelord-style fight where whoever squeezes the trigger longer wins.

>>10156149
ry I' agan wn u get d rest of miiiiii and ya ded cum mouf DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>10156129
Woof is derived from MBF, a source port that introduced friendly monsters in the form of the dog from Wolfenstein. If you refuse to use it because the name makes you think of reddit, that's on you.

>>10154827
>feels felt

>>10156172
>introduced friendly monsters in the form of the dog
sounds pretty reddit to me.

>>10156172
Don't feed the troll, he's been doing his "hurr durr furry woof reddit" shit for quite some time now.

>>10156057
Did the Dreamcast have that campaign or was it PS2 only?

>>10156163
Oh yeah, it's monsterface I was thinking about sorry. Not quite what I had in mind (alkaline has those however, I'm sure)

>>10156086
>Chocolate Doom still won't let me choose a post 1993 resolution
If only there were some port built specifically for that purpose...

>>10156032
>graphics mods
Sprite Fixing Project, Brightmaps, maybe a smooth weapons mod if you like how it looks. There's smooth monster mods too, though I don't like how they mess with their telegraphing, and the Spritefix mod already makes the animations look a good bit smoother by fixing fucky frame offsets.

>launcher that handles map/mod installation for me?
DoomLauncher does that, makes handling files much easier and faster, and you can add multiple ports to it. GzDoom also has an Autoload folder, where you can put mods, though you'll need to edit GzDoom's .ini file to point it towards their file path.

>>10156147

>>10156185
Whatever furfag. You're just mad about not being able to fuck the dogs in the mod.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UtTtrwMQHI

>>10156109
I feel for your troubles, but at the same time I can't help but laugh at how shoddily he's put together. Like, goddamn, the two part thing is a mildly ridiculous hack, and yeah, he's probably rarely used for these exact reasons, I bet a lot of people have gone down this exact path in the last few decades.
>Hey, nobody ever uses Armagon, I should do th- wtf is this Mickey Mouse bullshit

Don't think we don't notice you deleting the posts.

>>10156171
Save some cum for the rest of us!

Janny are you ok?

Guess not :)

>>10156247
Kek what a fruit

>>10155049
It might? It works with a lot of gamepads and doodads, try and see. Gonna guess the main problem is WASD not jiving well with his fingers as he's aging though, and there's a lot of options besides usimg your keyboard.

>>10156231
Really, most of the expansion content is of questionable use and balance, which is probably why VRAnon has retooled a bit of it, but the concepts laid down are good, and could be better with minimalist tweaks a la Copper. All you'd have to do for something like the Centroids is rework their dodging to be less spastic and have a mild cooldown, Unreal style. But Armagon sorta stinks from the ground up, and would need a complete overhaul. Who knows, if I ever get the time I might sit down and figure out QC and turn him into Quake's own cyberdemon.

Delete this one too :)

Good boy(male)!

>>10156259
might as well just give Edie rocketeer volleys and a reskin

>>10156242
Whatever, shmitty. A-DUHHHHHH

Are you upset?

>>10156112
Woof comes from MBF (Marine's Best Friend) = dog. Woof is source port from guy who made the Crispy. It retains the Crispy aesthetics, but unlike Crispy it can also play all Boom, MBF and MBF21 wads (aka all wads that are not for GZDoom or Eternity). Woof has the lightest system requirements of any Boom-derived source port. Nugget is a version of Woof that has higher system requirements, but also higher resolution options and some extra settings.

>>10156117
Nugget is now the most evolved Boom-port for "casual" player. Only reason to use dsda are some speedrunning extras. It's a speedrunner port.

>>10156275
>It's a speedrunner port.
It was shaping up to be way more than that, but the dev got assmad that non-speedrunners wanted to use it.

>>10156178
/v/ visitor? Reddit's Doom community is nothing but Doom Eternal memes. It's widely despised by every single Doom community existing. They don't make source ports or maps. There might be a eternal war between the rest of 4chan and Reddit, but /vr/ doesn't usually even aknowledge /r/doom. Most drama-filled forum battles on Doom community are the occasional clashes between Doomworld and Doomer Boards.

https://files.catbox.moe/ogzc0e.png
What a fragile little bitch, LMAO

>>10155235
Here it is, the first beta release of my entry to "A Serious Case of /vr/" called Elephant Wings. With some assistance from a helpful Serious Sam mapper (credits included in the zip) I was finally able to complete this map for TSE. It took me way too long to create but I promised I wouldn't give up so here it is. This is a "beta" release but hopefully not much will need to be changed for the full release. I would greatly appreciate it if you guys could help me test this, both in singleplayer and coop. There are differences between serious difficulty and the rest. I'll try hosting it for us to test at a later date.

>>10156287
>mfw I make a project trailer and the project lead tells me to shill it on r/doom

>>10156295
I can't believe I forgot the download. Got too caught up with writing out the post.
>Elephant Wings (Beta): https://files.catbox.moe/j9bhae.zip

>>10156295
I'll play it in a bit anon.

>>10156186
I think they both did. Tradeoff from what if remember was dreamcast had online, but ps2 had better framerate and models plus it's campaign was more fully featured.

>replacement music for Quake
>has only 10 tracks
how am i supposed to use that?

>>10156315
nvm i'm restarted

>>10156305
Serious thanks! I hope nothing breaks.

>>10156317
well shit the problem persists it's 9 effective tracks

>>10156323
what do you mean?

I still find zdl to be the best almost entirely because you can make individual shortcuts per configuration.

>>10156332
it's one less than the original soundtrack, what happens when the game wants to read the missing one?

VRanon about func_monster_spawner again, so for randomflags, you can't sum them right? Or am I summing them incorrectly. Whenever I think -flags I think they can be summed for multiple effects, so I used 4097 for dog and gremlin to be randomly spawned by the spawner, and for randomflags 2 I did 34 for the voreling and polyp, but only the dog is coming out. When only using randomflags1 4097 and having nothing for randomflags 2, still only the dog comes out. Will I just need multiple spawners? I don't mind that.

>>10156295
You cheeky fucker.

>>10156368

Darkplaces with 49gb fugly texture packs is my guilty pleasure. There is just something amusing about everything breaking and it being impossible to change settings on startup because every time a demo switches you are thrown into a 7 minute loading screen

>>10156349
What do you mean by "effective" tracks, I mean.

>>10156386
feels like 2003?
>>10156390
wikipedia says it 10 tracks but like Quake's og ost the first track is a data track, not music, so it's only 9 tracks+data compared to 10+data of the og CD

>>10156373
I have some immediate feedback here. This is the second atrium where the minor biomech appears with a bunch of gnaar. There were two packs of shotgun ammo here which I took, but the wave of gnaar and kamikazes only spawns when I take the armor. I didn't need the armor, it was only my instinct as a Sam player that said take the armor for a fight, so I think you should just make the trigger fire when picking up the ammo or stepping up to that platform at all.

In the previous room the same trigger is dependent on picking up the armor. Maybe consider that there too.

>>10156396
Oh shit also if you take the armor and just stand there, the gnaar don't know you exist. As far as they're concerned Mental just moved them and now they assume they will guard this position.

>>10155613
>Fun fact: enemies track their original positions. When a rift or box "respawns" them, it simply moves them to that position and revives, giving the impression that they got respawned. The counter grows, but the number of actors remains the same regardless of how long you stay on the map. Muh performance.
It's very fun when you're around a bunch of people you'd rather not respawn
>>boy I hope they're far enough away from the rift...
and then all their bodies disappear. Great "oh boy" moment.
>But it's hard to tell if it's because of reckless spending, unlucky RNG with regards to fixed prices, or just bad balance.
Or a situation of all three. I'm still going through this thing and I am just one silly anon after all. I've also ammo-trapped myself in Unloved well before I played a version with these slowly falling market prices.
I'll say this though: It's better to be on this end than drowning in money. Not only that but I'm also not deadbeat broke and am going back and forth between $2k and $2.5k. While I've been wavering there the last few levels, well shit those last few levels were also fucking crazy: This is how 32 started. And then the worst caco variant spawned in.
Above all else the challenges and changes are welcome and accepted.

>>10156395
Ah. ofc.
I would assume that any level using track 11 would just have no music at all.

>>10156416
That was by design, acting as a silent ambush. But I guess their visibility isn't as precise as I thought.

Looks like I'm late to a party...
>>10156163
>arena I've designed has a bunch of func_breakable pillars
It seems I forgot to put this in the FGD, but you can have monsters damage things by walking into them by adding 'stepdamage' and 'steptype' fields.
Stepdamage is literally just damage per step, and steptype has a few settings for when that damage occurs:
>0 - off
>1 - damage all
>2 - damage only breakables
>3 - damage all but player

Basically you could have Armagon walk through breakable stuff instead of getting stuck.

>>10156351
That should be working fine... I'll do some testing.

>>10156424
>level using track 11 would just have no music at all
that's so stupid, one of the tracks repeat two times but he didn't repeat an other one to have the complete track list...

>>10154060
>>10154109
They're fast as hell but still dodgeable.
I managed to dodge it several times, but I was jumping arround like playing in mp tho

>>10155406
I dunno
I blast 'em way too fast

>>10156481
>but I was jumping arround like playing in mp tho
the chad bunnyhopper
>HUH HUH HUH HUH HUH

I'd buy a Heretic/Hexen remastered

>>10155406
How many levels are in the PC version of Q2 that the PS1 port Lacks?

>>10154903
I beat JPCP with Final Doomer using just the Katana and nothing else. It's that good. Easily the finest melee weapon of any retro FPS.

>>10156434
Maybe this platform should be on a timer? It will go forward and back when landing on it the first time, but unless you jump it won't move again. It's not a bad quirk but a little weird.

>>10156531
Crap. Cool area though.

>>10156531
It's weird but I kind of want to leave it like that so it's a bit easier in co-op.

>not even 1 week later
>already forgotten

Quake II is finished, loooool

>>10156550
oh my gaawd, so true sistaa

>>10154825
Is the rottexpr port supposed to be shit? My compiler throws a shitload of warnings and the game keeps crashing on me.

>>10156460
Stepdamage powerup for player when?

>>10156550
Why do you say it's forgotten? There are multiple threads about it right now.

>>10156595
Because he hates it.

>>10156592
You can already ram through breakables with shields, especially if you have a quad and/or haste buff.

>>10156351
Did some testing and everything *seems* to be working fine. Make sure 'style' isn't set, and 'style2' is set to 1.

>>10156550
>make it to GZ's waste processing level
>"not enough shells for super shotgun"
>actually run out of ammo for my favorite guns just like in DOPA
>now have to use the stockpiled ammo for all the better weapons
damn man life is safari

quake 2's single shotgun should be the starter weapon and have infinite ammo separate from the super shotgun's shells
there are no negative balance ramifications from this because it'd still be the worst shotgun in gaming

>>10156658
I wouldn't have been upset with a damage or firerate buff to the single shotgun and grenade launcher.

>>10156658
It's damn useful against guards, flyers and grunts

>>10156658
they've fixed it actually, somewhat.
it no longer has that 1-second pause between the end of animation/sound and the ability to refire.

>>10156658
Just give the player both the shotgun and blaster at the start.

>>10156629
>'style2' is set to 1.
That's what I was missing. Alright halfway there. With randomflags set to 4097 like I mentioned, and randomflags 2 set to 34, only gremlins and vorelings are spawning but there should be dogs, gremlins, vorelings, and polyps. Any ideas why it's not working?

>>10156664
>>10156674
Wait I'm dumb as hell and remembered I tested it myself a few threads ago: It actually fires very slightly faster now and the sound and animation changes just make it seem slower.

>>10156686
yeah, I think it was mostly the sound, potentially with 10hz ticrate creating the impression of lagging trigger. feels much better now.

>>10156609

>>10155005
They've spoiled us lately. Although we've been getting spoiled with doom mods/wads for years, it's about time the other games got some love. I'm having a gay old time alternating between like 5 different shooters.

>>10155279
>My name's Johnny Nukem and I'm here to HUH HAH HUH and WOAH MOMMA
>I'm all outta WOAH MOMMA

>>10156032
I'd like to play an unorthodox doom mod where you play as Spider-Man with a machine gun.

>>10156737
why is this not a thing already?
there's Batman but that's still too conventional as far as Batman goes.
also Spawn i need Spawn Doom or even Douk/Blood Spawn

>>10156741
>Spawn Doom
https://www.moddb.com/mods/spawn-path-to-damnation

Which classic FPS protagonist would have the highest chance of actually completing their goal IRL?
Who gets fucked over the hardest?
Let's say both enemies and the player do a realistic amount of damage, and our protagonists can only run at peak human speed while carrying at most a handgun, a shotgun, an explosive or energy weapon, and a rifle from their respective series, with limited ammo supply for all of them.

>Doomguy
Might stand a chance against Doom 1's roster if zombiemen react slower than living soldiers and he plays his cards right.
>Ranger
Another maybe success against base Q1 enemies if he bullfights fiends well.
>Bitterman
Completely and utterly fucked without 24/7 power shield, which probably isn't feasible. Wouldn't run out of ammo as long as he's killing though.
>Duke
Completely and utterly fucked, especially if he's still wearing a tanktop instead of armor.
>The HUNT
All dead from broken shins entering ass on the first level, let alone the million bullets to follow.

Any more? State your case.

>>10156768
Remove the ammo supply limit anon. Doomguy dies, there's no reason for ammo to be abundant in Hell. Ranger dies, no ammo in forlorn castles from beyond. Bitterman is on a planet of military tech so he has a chance. Duke is fucked as you say. The HUNT?

>>10156780
For brevity sake, ammo would still inexplicably be strewn about everywhere it currently is, they just can't carry as much of it at once.

>>10156768
Caleb. his main enemies are those Jawa guys, and they're like 3 feet tall in A New Hope, they stand no chance. plus he's got that cool hat, nobody fucks with a guy with a cool hat.

>>10156795

>>10156527
I like sword: that's a personal weapon.

>>10156795
I think Caleb may be a rare case where he's more durable in reality than in the game, due to supernatural bullshit coursing through him. STILL a bitch to deal with that many well trained gunners though, he'd basically have to be clairvoyant about ambushes to make it through.

>>10156186
PS2 only. Dreamcast had a slightly different version of PC single player, with some maps replaced with Team Arena ones.

>>10156813
>I think Caleb may be a rare case where he's more durable in reality than in the game, due to supernatural bullshit coursing through him.
Part of his bullshit, and an actual mechanic that sets his shooter apart from the others, is he can eat hearts that assigned enemies drop on death. The others have to rely on medical supplies only.

>>10156768
>Which classic FPS protagonist would have the highest chance of actually completing their goal IRL?
Kyle Katarn, Lo Wang, Caleb, Corvus, Baratus, Parias, Daedolon, other mystical heroes like Catacomb 3-D guy (Patton or whatever)
>Who gets fucked over the hardest?
BJ Blaz

>>10156768
Duke and the HUNT are the only ones getting any drinkable water.

>>10156785
>>10156768
Doomguy makes it to the Spider Mastermind and dies since he didn't have enough cells. The Tower of Babel has the two rooms with oodles of rockets so he can make that. I think the Ranger dies at the first shambler he encounters since he's not expecting this giant yeti monster to be able to conjure lightning in its hands. Bitterman can make it, military planet will have medical facilities everywhere. I think Ranger gets it the worst but only relatively so. The lightning will stop his heart and overload his brain so it's lights on, lights off. Didn't have a chance.
>>10156841
Wo Long fucking dies at the first shadow bad guy with explosives anon. It's funny that the conditions are just describing Half-Life.

>>10156527
Did you set the option where you can manually sheathe the blade for that extra strong draw slash?

>>10156874
I think I just switched weapons which auto-sheathes it but I should have done that instead.

>>10156854
i reckon shooting a giant brain in the face would be more effective irl than ingame, so doomguy might win that still

>>10156881
If you ever revisit Final Doomer, toggle that option on, along with the "advanced" mode for Hellbound's C4, it makes it really fun to use.

>>10155005
what about goldeneye? is that gonna be a thing soon too?

>>10156768
>Serious Sam
VS. enemies, I bet he could do it. Guns and ammo get teleported in so that's not an issue. And Sam himself doesn't move extremely fast to begin with so he could realistic dodge everything (except arachnoids, just like take cover lmao).
VS. the environment however is a whole other story. There are so many bullshit traps in both TFE and TSE that I don't see how anyone could anticipate them. Also he's going to be more red than a major biomech after spending so much time in the searing desert with just a t-shirt on. At least he has sunglasses.

>>10156096
Why should I use these two source ports instead of... say, Crispy doom (no I'm not the same anon I am curious to know)

>>10156746
thank you very much based Caleb poster.
totally missed that

>>10156909
Crispy hard caps at og doom compatible wads. I personally believe that boom continues the spirit and is still very vanilla like. It's very easy to get that crispy look in FDWL (dsda fork) or Woof while getting a little bit more functionality for some really good wads.

>>10156780
I'm assuming the ammo/weapons in weird dimensions is there either from previous expeditions (like in Doom 3) or was brought there for the zombie monsters to use.

>>10156918
what wads are compatible with woof, may I ask? I've been using crispy doom lately for my playthrough of doom 2, so any wads that work on Woof would be nice to know.

>>10156924
Boom compatible maps are where a ton fo things went. I highly recommend the doomer board projects to see some of the best it has to offer. They're all very thematic. The holiday ones are a solid introduction.

>>10156901
sam could definitely do it until a single bullet toting enemy pops up when he's in an open field
that seems to be the kicker;
>does the game have enemies with conventional bullet weapons? can you kill them before they shoot?
BFE sam is totally screwed on that front
but netrisca might realistically reveal some stuff about the layout of an area to lessen the surprise of traps

>>10156768
The Turoks would have an easier time, it's never mentioned in the games but according to the comics weilders of the Light Burden are more resistant to injury than a normal. Also many of the enemies are creatures that have no ranged weapons, while Turok is armed to the teeth- the Light Burden also acts as a quantum storage device so they can carry more weapons.

Doom 3 marine also has it easier than usual, you only fight a few enemies at a time, ammo and armor is more plentiful from lockers, and the Soul Cube could be used to 1 hit KO harder things later on. There's even a video log that explains how to defeat the BFG before he meets Sarge.

Tommy from Prey and Jack from Bioshock have it the easiest, as they are both virtually immortal.

As for the most difficult, Bitterman is in trouble. Most of the Strogg probably have amazing accuracy from cybernetic upgrades, and many of them probably have better weapons and armor than most marines. Stroggos is on high alert since there's an invasion of the planet in progress so stealth would be difficult. There would also probably be a lot of locked doors and barricades that he would need a demolition team to get through.

One that no one mentioned is Perfect Dark. Many of the enemies in the game have a CMP 150, which has an automatic target mode. Joanna is going to have a rough time outside of stealth.

>>10156935
Yeah arachnoids would definitely be the biggest threat. But I can't recall any point where you didn't have cover (or an option to "juggle" multiple arachnoid stuns) in TFE. There is one fight in the Tower of Babel in TSE however that has some nasty arachnoid traps.

>>10156964
Medal of Honor is certainly the worst case scenario
"Shoot your way into this heavily fortified enemy castle. Here's your standard weapon and gear. Go and win the war for us"
It's not much different than Quake II now that I'm thinking about it but even in Quake II Bitterman is part of a massive assault so maybe what we're seeing is survivor bias, out of all the marines he won the survival lottery despite the odds.

>>10157000
this pic looks like its ftom something really gay and shitty

Why is doomwiki so complete with information about maps, enemies, secrets, all games, but quakewiki is focused on Quake 1 only and just the technical aspects?

>>10157000
An FPS protagonist during a war/battle is going to at least have the advantage that the enemies are probably busy fighting someone other than you. It gets kinda silly though in situations like you mentioned where the story specifically says that you are being sent by yourself. Even if someone could do it alone it would make more sense to send a team.

What in the hell do these do and how do I use them?
I'm playing Heretical Doom.
I understand the inventory on the right even if I don' t use any of them.

>>10157021
Oh, I should add, I know what the flasks do and how to use them because I bound a key for them. But I don't know what the others are called or what they do.

>>10157021
read the wiki

>>10157012
i guess because the classic Quake fanbase is mostly mappers themselves and mostly for Quake 1

>>10156680
That was indeed broken and I have no idea why, but I went full autism and completely re-coded how monsters are selected and it just works now. New progs.dat is up.

Do Ironwail or vkQuake support the Kex Quake dynamic lights? Is there some command I have to use to make them work?

>>10157103
Fucking works, you're the man dude.

>>10157034
Oh, they get stored in your inventory and are used automatically.
The mystic urn is now a revive that spawns you with your progress through the level saved.
Sorry. I've just been having trouble figuring out the controls "the way they were supposed to be" for old games and googling "heretic controls" doesn't point you to the nice wiki.
I didn't know if Corvus is supposed to be able to jump (no) or free aim (yes).

Corvus is shorter than Doomguy. He's having trouble shooting through the windows when I turn free aim off. The Phoenix Wand is more deadly to myself than anybody, sadly.

ashes afterglow spinoff but you play as a warlord called immoran joe

>>10156086
60% Unity port (You get this off of Steam and other storefronts)
30% GZDoom (might be a bit higher now because of myhouse.wad)
10% Everything else
This doesn't just apply to Gen Z, most people will use the most convenient option over the best option if it requires more "effort" (aka a few extra clicks)

>>10157275
Speaking of.
Anyone else think they heard it wrong in the movie and thought it was supposed to be, "Immortal Joe". Isn't that what you would name yourself as some sort of wasteland king?
Though perhaps it's just as easy to trick people by changing a letter and making everyone go, "Isn't it supposed to be Immortal Joe?" and now you're thinking about how this guy might be immortal or so powerful that you'll never be able to overthrow him.

Maybe I should go into some investment firms and name myself "Millionaine Max". I bet those words alone would make me a millionaire.

>>10157298
it's like saying imperium instead of empire
sounds more mystical and sticks more

>>10155287
ogey.

>>10156541
Yeah I don't mind it now. You think pic related's fight might be a little too hard if you intend for there to be almost no health drops before the end? On serious difficulty.

Quakecon of all things has the best looking venue of any con I've ever seen.
Quakecon.
It's amazing what you can do with just a little fucking lighting.

>>10156315
>The tough guys have came to kill, but stayed to rape and ravage.
What did Sonic mean by this? Jokes aside, I like Methods of Destruction.
>>10156768
>Any more? State your case.
Kind of off-topic, but Thyrion is fucked after the end of Hexen 2 and Portal of Praevus. I would say that player characters are most likely going to turn on each other, so they won't even need to wait for Serpent Riders to return.
Wait... In case there's no "not retro" whining this time around, Shelly probably could pull through at least half of her Ion Fury journey: I think the end of Off the Rail map could get her. You can also argue that she would be overwhelmed by all those cyborgs at Reformation Plaza or in latter maps, including the whole Subterranean Climax.

By the way, you totally can just open a specific Unit in Quake 2's re-release to get specific achievement. You might actually get straight to last map, but I just marathoned through last Units of both Mission Packs. I remember it being more strict in Quake's re-release.

>>10157462
>you totally can just open a specific Unit
well, doesn't that make them harder than continuous? it's not exactly a pistol start, but you lose your hoarded stuff. and the achievements are all for finishing a unit.

> trying "hand 2" in yq2
> the weapon viewmodel disappears

am I missing something?
I also tried changing r_gunfov but nothing happened

>>10157517
right is 0, left is 1. what are you expecting?

>>10156518
IIRC it only swaps the first map of the PC version for the N64 port's starting level, then it just butchers all the original PC levels to be much more linear so that the PS1 doesn't need to choke too much when showing-off the extra eyecandy lensflares

>>10157517
Hand 0 is right, hand 1 is left, hand 2 is center, however, there are no centered view models in Quake 2, the "center" handedness option simply sets the projectile origin to the center and disables the viewmodel.
Though, IIRC it should show an icon of the weapon on the HUD at the same spot as the help computer, weird that Yamagi doesn't seem to do that.

>>10155856
IONripper is so fucking broken that it's not even funny how completely redundant the HB becomes once you get it, did the remaster did any attempt at nerfing it?
>>10156658
Imagine tht it's just the Q1 shotty that somehow had its RoF halved and damage doubled (as that's literally how it works in Q2). If you'll play the Q1's Drake mod alot you'd eventually get used to it.

>they ported-over the twin-Railgun spiders from the Playstation version of Q2
I never bought any game via an on-line service, but now I'd might consider doing so for the first time ever...

>>10157548
As part of which campaign?

>>10156768
Duke has steroids, atomic health, his jetpack, and the shrink ray, his odds are quite good.

>Quake 2
>Start off with shitty blaster, but it almost immediately gets replaced with a shotgun
>The shotgun is then almost immediately replaced with a super shotgun because everyone knows where that secret level is
>Neither blaster or shotgun are used again
Both weapons feel kind of pointless, really.

>>10157548
I hated those things back on the playstation.
Imagine dealing with them with fucked up controls and no real ability to move and shoot at the same time.
I don't have to imagine, I'm looking forward to encountering them again for some revenge.

>>10157564
>he doesn't use the single shotty to clear out chaff that aren't worth two shells
Not very conservationist anon, Al Gore won't be pleased.

>>10157564
Another anon said it best: The starting weapon should have been the regular shotgun. It would still become useless, but it would feel better.

>>10157464
>well, doesn't that make them harder than continuous?
Not really, not on Easy. Maybe it's the difficulty thing, but they actually provide you with weapons and ammo (no items though, but they're not necessary).
>and the achievements are all for finishing a unit.
While I haven't tried it personally, supposedly you can just warp to the last map of a Unit, noclip to the exit and get achievement just fine: while you still have to go through each Unit in original campaign, Mission Packs, 64 and CotM are more straight forward.
Then again, running a marathon through latest Unit on Easy is a nice cheese where you can enjoy Mission Packs' weapons.

>>10156780
>there's no reason for ammo to be abundant in Hell. Ranger dies, no ammo in forlorn castles from beyond.
Other people obviously get there before him, you find dead marines at times, and zombies need to arm themselves with something, or were armed before being possessed, either way, there'd have to exist some ammo around. A lot of hell levels are also warped and infested tech bases, so you could expect at least some pre-existing supplies. For Doom 2, you're on Earth, and you could expect some similar circumstances as things turn more hell.

Quake is a little different on that point, it's a lot more 'lonely' and you don't always find dead people who could have brought stuff with them.

>>10157585
>Quake is a little different on that point, it's a lot more 'lonely' and you don't always find dead people who could have brought stuff with them.
well, Q1 arsenal is a bit "out there". shotguns and explosives are sort of grounded, but nails and lightning? you can imagine those belonging to the various native populations, quakeguy just scavenges for whatever he can use in a situation.

>>10157564
You don't even need to bother with the secret level, the game has a ssg secret like five minutes later and its then at the very start of the next unit so it's super pointless

Maybe if the SSG ate five shells a shot people would give the regular combat shotgun some use, but that might be a bit much...

someone was asking if you can co-op Q2 64 unlike the Q64 addon in the first game's remaster was possible, and I decided to test local at least
honestly this is kinda neat, though the extra players disappear with the in-game cutscenes

>>10156768
Doomguy doesn't stand a chance. In a "realistic" hell, there is no air, only poisonous gas, and the ground is always a damaging floor, plus there are crushers everywhere. And complete darkness too.
The one time the doom franchise has ever been realistic is the end of E1M8.

>>10157601
What is coc_pop

>>10157607
it's from Call of Cthulhu DCotE

>>10157585
Honestly anon I think you're reaching too much. Other people can carry maybe a few pounds of ammunition each, and you don't find that many. A few pounds of ammo every few levels? Nah it just won't do. You ever been on a military base? Do you know how much ammo any given military personnel is carrying? Most of them aren't carrying anything.
>But what about expeditions to hell?
Which loops around to maybe a few pounds of ammo.
>A lot of hell levels are also warped and infested tech bases
What tech bases are there in the Slough of Despair? Or any given map from episode 2 and 3. Only a few have tech base stuff, the rest is just hell. Doomguy is fucked, and it's not like I hate him but you can never paint a realistic one man war against anything as large as the armada of Hell. Napoleon lost Europe, and he had an army.

>>10157615
>Which loops around to maybe a few pounds of ammo.
we consider the fact that these locations in hell are filled to the brim with zombified UAC personnel carrying weapons the Doomguy utilizes, and he'd have to McClaine it a bit but there's resources. the survivability of the environment is the bigger problem combined with the duration of the stay.

VRanon sorry to bug but the func_monster_spawners, when depleted, have no ability to trigger anything. What if a mapper say wanted to spawn a key after killing the last monster? Or trigger another monster_spawner after one has been exhausted? func_spawn and func_spawn_small, when their monster is killed or their item is picked up, will trigger things.

>>10155235
Get well anon!

>>10157562
a very common flying pain resistant sapient enemy has a chaingun
if atomic health heals you lots and hypothetically doubles someone's resilience to bullets as a substitute for extra HP he's still gonna die the second one of those fuckers comes out the woodwork and opens fire at his face
games with alien conquerors are exponentially harder to deal with than games with monsters unless the aliens are retarded and can't use conventional weaponry like in serious sam

>>10157628
This is what this spawner looks like. It's worth noting func_monster_spawn doesn't have the keyvalue target2 so obviously it wasn't built for triggering things after its monsters are killed, but that's sorta limiting I say. Ideally there would be two flags:
>trigger on depletion: triggers target2 (or 3, 4) on last monster death
and
>trigger on kill: triggers target2 on any single monster death
But I've asked a lot of you already so I'd very happily settle for trigger on depletion.

>>10157628
>>10157652
A bit of a roundabout way of doing what you want (and something else I forgot to add to the FGD : /) but you can add the 'child_target' onto the func_monster_spawner and give it the name of a trigger_counter. The spawned monsters should add to it upon dying.

>>10156813
He's really fast and agile, and I'd say he isn't really human anymore.

>>10157615
Military bases have armories, and once you have hell coming for a visit I imagine a lot of people will rush to arm themselves, probably under orders even. Aside from excursions by some, others end up in hell anyway and whatever equipment they've got is gonna be with them, along with any equipment which the zombies in hell are using.

Genuinely, I think that Hideous Destructor paints it all as plausible, and that mod makes the monsters much more mean and ferocious. The player can't fix some injuries with field medicine, but there's magic means for that, and the ability to bypass some locked doors and barriers means not having to always fight everything.

>>10157670
Oh shit it does both that's awesome. child_target>other monster spawner = trigger on single monster death. And then the depletion method just target the counter. Nice.

>>10157621
If the zombies aren't catching on fire from the heat in some places, I'd say it's bearable. Might be a lot of nasty shit in the air, which could be a long term problem, but Soulspheres help fix that, and you eventually get back to earth (where there's more of those).

>>10137870
>you can 'overkill' enemies in the brief period between when they die and when they become non-solid to instantly gib them
this may have had a knock-on effect for some enemies like vorelings who now only die via gibbing with no more death shriek

>>10157606
>E1M8
Why not give the benefit of the doubt and just assume it's a different Doomguy past Episode 1? If it's still E1 Doomguy, then just paint it on Hell itself reviving him and demons being too stupid to take his pistol away from him. Or he's forced to fight just for the sadistic pleasure of some demon.
Eitherway just play Hideous Destructor. Both Deimos and Phobos bases have all the equipment necessary for marines to survive
>poison gas
>damaging floors
>complete darkness
And it is flexible and utilitarian enough to both be used in combat and be highly mobile, letting the user run at full speed while wearing them.

Is the Quake 2 remaster better than source ports?

>>10157746
Yes until someone ports the AI changes to other ports.

>>10157746
Yes and no.
I don't like the weapon nerfs/changes.
But I love the new AI and some of the visual/lighting changes are neat. Plus you get the N64 version and a new episode.

>>10157725
>vorelings who now only die via gibbing with no more death shriek
Looks like I assigned their gib threshold in the wrong place, effectively making it 0 health. Whoops...

>>10157564
>>10157570
You get a shotgun within a minute so you basically do start with it. It’s also slightly more relevant on hard+ against non-hitstunnable guards. The blaster sees a tiny bit more use when you can quickswitch to it after you miss a few ssg pellets on a berserker and he doesn’t die in two blasts. They’re still pretty niche.
>>10157535
>did the remaster did any attempt at nerfing it?
It’s still gross. Biggest weapon changes I’ve noticed have been having the railgun nerfed to deal damage closer to the ssg and the grenade launcher arcing higher but from the center of the screen.
>If you'll play the Q1's Drake mod alot you'd eventually get used to it.
Not a fan of that mod’s single shotgun. Same sound and fire rate as the double but deals less damage. I also like the original super nailgun more.

>>10157751
happens. pls post when updated

>>10157747
>>10157748
I like the lighting, but it looks too bright in some areas. Will probably wait a couple weeks for a weapon patch or AI port.

>>10157535
>If you'll play the Q1's Drake mod alot you'd eventually get used to it.
Based
>>10157758
>Not a fan of that mod’s single shotgun. Same sound and fire rate as the double but deals less damage. I also like the original super nailgun more.
Not based

>>10157746
It is the best way to experience base Q2 and its official expansions, but it's sub-KMQ2 for mods etc.
Everything with a DLL must be specifically compiled for it (thankfully the remaster DLL is still open-source), every map with transparent textures (water surfaces, forcefields, etc.) must have its lighting rebuilt with the latest version of eriw's light tool (and running it on bsps tends to fuck with the brightness pretty nastily in most places), and other bits may or may not work (Juggernaut's hyperblaster replacement doesn't work properly, Sonic Mayhem's Guardian boss doesn't spawn in, etc.).

>>10157760

>>10156658
>still be the worst shotgun in gaming
I dunno, I think the Q1 shotgun gives it good competition for that title.

>>10157746
good:
enemies do stuff now
damagescale works (1.5x is good)
shotgun is a bit faster
weapon switch is faster

bad:
not all the stuff enemies do is fun, by and large makes them unsatisfying to shoot at
i think the chaingun revs faster and it makes it super broken but that could be placebo due to the switch speed

fuck:
rail's fucked
nades are fucked (both thrown and launched)
power shield's fucked
projectile origination's fucked
stutters like a fuck (especially when fucking autosaving)
mouse input's fucked

all around i still vomit when i touch quake 2

>>10157770
:D

>>10157774
>power shield's fucked
?

>>10156658
You have not played Doom 3.

>>10157773
instant weapon switch letting you use it as a long range finisher after explosive dumping or to combo with the ssg to save shells on scrags invalidates this sentiment
>>10157797
doom 3 shotgun murders good
especially if you use its multiplayer spread value in singleplayer

>>10157797
kills every common enemy in 1 shot, making it the equivalent of SSG in classic Doom

>>10157807
Ironically enough I am the one that first posted here about the ssg + sg combos on knights in Quake. Just goes to show how much I need to stop posting here (like I didn't know that already).
And no, it doesn't invalidate anything.

>>10157765
>Not based
Keep’d instead. It even uses all my favorite skins for the weapons and buffs the wand.
>10157774
>chaingun
Placebo due to switch speed.
>projectile origination's fucked
Only the shotgun, chaingun, and grenade launcher were changed.
>>10157746
It does some things better and worse. Don’t forget that this and other rereleases are multiplat as well.

>>10157815
a more apt comparison is the Q2 SSG because that piece of shit doesn't work past point blank either
so obviously Q2 SSG is better than Q2 SG so D3 SG is too
>>10157823
you can't use the single shotty in Q2 as a combo weapon
it does double damage but fires more than twice as slow
it is assuredly less good at range due to higher pellet count and weaker pellets
it objectively sucks worse and i hate it

>>10157838
Be quiet, you stupid monkey.

>>10157746
does it run on old hardware, and will it be ported beyond windows?

wait i had a brainfart shotgun does 4 damage x 6 pellets not 6 damage x 4 pellets
oh well
still better

>>10157823
>Ironically enough I am the one that first posted here about the ssg + sg combos on knights in Quake.
I think I remember that. You got tilted at someone else for not getting what you were saying despite being wrong about that rotary shotgun’s effectiveness. Maybe you do need a break from here.

>>10157815
Except it has even less range than Doom 2's SSG, the spread is absolutely retarded.

>>10157859
Once I finish my violent rumble map I hope I can take a forever break from here.
And I said nothing about the dwell shotguns, just the vanilla ones.

>>10157870
>I hope I can take a forever break from here.
:(

>>10157875
Don't worry, the only thing you might notice is a sharp decrease in the number of insults thrown around.

>>10157316
Noted, thanks.
>>10157643
Thank you as well.

>>10157316
I can't believe serious sam is dead

>>10157861
>Doom 3’s shotgun spread is so crazy you need to put the viewmodel in an imps face to oneshot them
>imps in original Doom have a chance at surviving a shotgun to the face due to RNG
I’d say there’s no winning if each game couldn’t be so easily modded

>>10157952
Yeah, but Doom's (and Duke's) shotgun has pretty generous practical range, so it's a pretty good gun for engaging small and tight groups and at medium distances.

>>10157964
yes, and in Doom 3 you don't fight at a medium distance. everything is close-quarters, which dictates the balance.

>>10157964
Duke’s is very comfy. Basic alien goons die in one hit and the goons a step up take two - and these are most of what you encounter. For Doom there’s a fascinating and weird relationship with the shotgun and super shotgun going on and the chaingun makes it messier.

>>10157870

>>10156658
>single shotgun should be the starter weapon
Based.

>posting non-retro new vidya example when Q1 started with a shotgun
Noggin bogglin

>>10158026
I meant this board, but yes you sadly have a point.

I had a dream this night where I was playing another /vr/ doom wad.
This wad was called 128 linedefs of /vr/.

>>10158102
was it good? or are you just nudging the board?

I asked on another thread, but this seems more fitting: Is there a Cacowards for Quake games?

>>10158151
No, and at this point that's probably a good thing.

>>10154818
I finished Doom 1's first two campaigns yesterday and today. They were alright. Gonna probably play Inferno today.
I'm vaguely curious about all the WADs you can get for this game but I don't really know if they're for me. Aren't they just gonna be designed for the people with 5000 hours played of Doom? Like Kaizo Mario type bullshit but for Doom?

>>10157746
It's great in its own ways, much like re-releases of DOOMs and Quake... actually maybe less so due to lack of Add-ons feature that lets console (and mobile, in case of DOOM) to experience some community content without much hassle. Still, is ia perfect way to expereince Quake 2 for the first time anyway and its changes make it more fun overall.

>>10158162
So how can I know what the community considers the best maps for Quake games?

>>10158192
how do you know you will agree with "the community", given that even this "community" doesn't exist and all of them have different tastes.
just try stuff, hate stuff, love stuff
life stuff...

>>10158192
Not that guy you’re replying to but just go through and play what you like as well as what’s cool. There are some absolutely bitter and miserable Quakers here that make it hard to gauge what’s good or not.

>>10158192
Watch their overall score on Quaddicted. Keep your eye on the new releases on Slipseer. Also watch our So You Want To Play Some Quake vid. It lists most of the classics before 2018.

>>10158206
Thanks

>>10158165
The challenge is often escalated, yeah, as Doom and Doom 2 mostly aren't very hard, but many maps have difficulty levels implemented.
Plutonia is the toughest official set, and it doesn't pull punches, the Casalis wanted something which would bust their own balls on UV, but it's not unfair, and it has proper difficulty settings. If you get to that part and find it too obnoxious, try it on HMP, and once you've beat it, give it a run again on UV, you'll find that you can take it on and you'll really feel your skills improve.

>>10158114
In my dream it was okay. Although quite dark and more horror-inclined than regular doom wads. It was using vanilla doom 2 assets but instead of midi there were only some creepy ambient tracks.
That's all what I remember of it.

>>10158242
cool

>>10158165
last time I recommended Eviternity to a new player, honestly not thinking it a big deal, and he was miserable for weeks and eventually stopped posting, I think.
idk just try stuff and don't feel bad about bouncing off. I'd go with semi-official No Rest for the Living and Sigil first. but maybe also dip your toes into Ancient Aliens early, see if that's your jam. experiment n shit.
DBPs aim to be approachable, and more importantly, they're short. I liked 8, 13, 29. public favs are 37 & 47.

>>10158165
Kaizo Mario is an accurate comparison for shit like Flotsam but it really depends
Fan wad makers usually "intend" for you to purposefully use the level select cheat or die without saving to start each level on its own with only the pistol but unless the author is in a bad mood sunlust maps 17-20 they don't actively prevent you from keeping your guns and ammo from previous levels and playing the wad as one continuous campaign
If using mods isn't off the table there's a decently big community of mods for GZDoom that replace the doom weapons with cooler and more powerful weapons as a way to play levels that look cool but are above your paygrade

>>10158271
i'm not the best at Doom but Sigil kicked my ass a bit.

>>10158271
>recommended Eviternity to a new player
did you tell them to play on easy? Because it's well made but it's definitely not friendly for newcomers.
>>10158281
Did you do pistol starts? I found it to be mild with continuous play.

>>10158284
I did not.
Eviternity & Sigil were my reintroduction to Doom after about 5 year hiatus, and I played them fine on UV (though continuous).
getting a bit of a kick is what usually gets me invested, just going through the motions is boring.

>>10158284
>Did you do pistol starts? I found it to be mild with continuous play.
continuous. but i don't play doom often

>>10158236
>>10158271
>>10158280
Thanks for the good writeups fellas. I had no idea that a lot of wads were intending me to start each level with just a pistol, sounds rough. I decided to mess around with WADs a bit instead of moving on to Inferno anyway and so I'm playing Scythe some but it's pretty clearly above my level hah. I'll note the recommendations down and keep playing stuff.

>>10158203
why are they consistently showing signs of anosognosia and personality disorders? If they go untreated they might end up killing someone or themselves.

>>10158325
i think you're being a bit dramatic

>>10158320
The thing with Pistol Start is that there's usually nothing which will force you to, some .wads use death exits sometimes for that, but otherwise you can just carry over stuff, and that'll make things easier.

Since you're green, don't sweat it too much, it's not too hard to learn and improve. There's even resources which help make it easier.
Anyway, since you're still on Inferno, I'd suggest that you either wait to do Thy Flesh Consumed for after you've beat Doom 2, or that you lower the difficulty level, because the first few maps of that episode are real ballbusters. Don't sweat canon or anything.

>>10158165
>I'm vaguely curious about all the WADs you can get for this game but I don't really know if they're for me. Aren't they just gonna be designed for the people with 5000 hours played of Doom?
A lot of them will understand that and will change enemy, item, and weapon placements according to difficulty. Those are also the only things that change from skills 2-4, all damage dealt and recieved remains the same. I’m Too Young To Die halves the damage while Nightmare overtunes and does its job, both will double your ammo. If you’re worried then start in the shallow end/lower difficulties for newer maps as opposed to diving into the deepend.

>>10156658
>Quake 2 shotgun the worst in gaming
>not the damn near unusable melee weapon that is the Doom 3 shotgun.

>>10158386
>I’m Too Young To Die halves the damage
Specifically it halves the damage taken.

>>10158325
Mapping for retro shooters draws in lot of autistic people. Some of autistic folk have tendency to get into drama, because they might see some little normal thing (like somebody fixing a slight source port bug or somebody not fixing a slight source port bug) as an absolutely universe breaking shit that destroys whole lives. Then when you put 30 of these guys into same community all hell breaks loose. And I say this as a nitpicking actual autist myself. We get quality shit done, but we are absolutely nightmare to work with (occasionally).

>>10158368
Or he can go all in and beat it right away. It's just the first two and E4M6 that are really hard.

>>10158368
Who are these two sluts? They're not the usual touhou girls.

>>10158281
Sigil is as if Romero had all of E4 for himself and just went nuts, it's a tough cookie on UV. Some people regard KDITD as the pinnacle of FPS mapping and what all mappers should always strive for, and those people went absolutely ape when Sigil wasn't easygoing and mild on UV. It was very funny.

Anyway, difficulty levels exist for a good reason, I'm comfortable doing Plutonia on UV, it's a Goldilocks level of challenge for me, but I've run into a lot of .wads where I have to stop and drop down to HMP or HNTR just because they turn my asshole inside out. I never really got into slaughter style gameplay too much, I kinda wanna practice that a bit so I can at least handle such maps on low skills, because even Go 2 It overwhelms me most of the time.

I HATE PAIN ELEMENTALS
I HATE REFUELING STATION
I HATE THE PIT
I HATES IT I HATES IT I HATES IT

>>10158437
i didn't find it frustrating, just tough, i could have played a whole megawad of it. i'm one of those who liked it.
i'm okay with hard wads like Plutonia too(i prefer it to Doom 2) i just can't eat them raw with pistol start but that's a non-issue.

>>10158420
bro, they're not sluts, they're literally the only vtuber worth watching
2 twin dogs, either english-speaking japanese, or english-speaking larpers pretending to be japanese, but in any case, they're great, very entertaining

>>10158413
He could, but E3 UV and E4 UV is a bit of a whiplash in difficulty, E4M1 is super stingy on resources and E4M2 starts you out with a medicine ball to the teeth right away. If you're not ready for that, they can feel a bit like a wall.

Consider that E4 was basically made after Doom 2's levels and as a bonus for buying Doom 1 as a retail product, or for already having bought it via mail order before. It's kind of an escalation past Doom 2's late game difficulty, even if only a few of the levels are actually hard.

>>10158420
Uh, some new vtubers or something, pair of fox or coyote twins, forgot which. May or may not be twins IRL, they usually stream together as a pair or something.

I watch very few tubers tbhfam, just the most recent image I saved and I always loved that meme.

>>10158449
I love Refueling Base. Don't really like The Pit that much, it's kind of like Tricks & Traps if it wasn't as good or well put together.

>>10158471
the problem with refueling base is by the time I get to it most of my ammo reserves are fucking gone because the Pit is a fucking ammo burner so I have next to no ammo for my good weapons to deal with all of the pain elementals and revenants. I hate getting filtered by these two levels alone.

>>10158165
Kaizo Mario style Doom levels exist, for instance Hell Revealed and Hell Revealed 2. They're however not particularly good and I'm glad that kind of level design stayed in the past, Alien Vendetta is just a million times better.

Speaking of which, there's a classic level set which has proper difficulty levels implemented, Alien Vendetta is kinda nuts on UV, but on HMP it's roughly like Plutonia on UV, and easing up more on HNTR. Not every level set will have implemented difficulty levels, but a lot of the good ones often will, and design sensibilities in the recent decade has developed to the point that people seem to feel more compelled to implement it.

>>10158465
>>10158471
Thanks brothers. And the word slut does not have much negative meaning for me, I like all sorts of ethots. Bro

>>10158478
all Imma say is fuck sandy petersons levels

>>10158449
Are you playing without the vanilla 21 lost souls limit? The pain elementals can't spawn them at the start of both maps you mention, makes the maps much less frustrating than they already are.

Are there a lot of people playing Quake 2 multiplayer right now?

Is Return of the Triad any good?

I made 5 tech base maps using only 100 linedefs each.
Download Rise of the Triangles Episode 1 here : https://files.catbox.moe/i2xknd.zip

Boom compatible
All music is taken from Rise of the Triad and Rise of the Wool Ball.
Breaks in ZDoom-based source ports, Nugget Doom or DSDA-Doom are recommended.

Please give me feedback, would love to hear from you!

>>10158394
And then the actually decent people get bullied out TE13 by the unrelenting torrent of assholes and dickheads.

>>10158617
who's that? what happened?

>>10158607
Yes

>Quake2 Parasites are no-longer discount Shamblers
And it only took 25 years to finally fix them...

>>10158654
>discount Shamblers
Shamblers have a wind-up, Parasites don't.

>>10158617
I don't know this case that you are referring to. I don't usually follow drama.

>>10154819
[8-19] 100 lines limitation mapset, anon would like a feedback
>>10158610

>>10158394
I don't know how anyone can genuinely map.

Say someone makes a map and is like "this took me a thousand hours making this quake map I hope you like it" some dude will just leave a comment like "there's a misaligned texture on this one box in this one room". Not "I enjoyed this, nice work" or something.

I just don't know how you could spend so much of your rapidly fleeting free time on something so nice that, if you're lucky, maybe two dozen people will actually play and of that two dozen maybe 6 will give you feedback or leave a comment and 5 of the 6 comments will be telling you how you fucked up.

I couldn't do it. And I have a lot of respect for the poor mapper and modding dudes who do it who are normal dudes.

>>10158754
That's because you're a faggot who maps for other people.
I map mainly because I have an idea and an intrinsic urge to map.
It has to leave the system somehow.
Of course when mapping for a community project I will also dumb it down as much as possible and try to make it fun for other people.

>>10158754
>I don't know how anyone can genuinely map.
Same. Maybe some day I'll feel a notion to map for my own enjoyment, relive magic once again.

>>10158754
Needing validation is cringeworthy. I map because I make maps that I enjoy playing and replaying.
The only feedback I care about is constructive criticism, especially regarding areas of level design in which I feel weak. I genuinely don't care if other people don't like my maps, although I won't be discourteous or anything.

>>10158754
>I don't know how anyone can genuinely map.
By not expecting anything to come from it, unless they're trying to make a product they can monetize, like the few dozen games made in GZDoom.
Doom mapping for most people is a passion and expressing their creativity, not a necessity. No one fucking cares what you do for your free time as long as it's not injecting heroin in your veins. If every mapper shared the same thought as you, Doom modding as a whole would have been dead ages ago.

>>10158754
not a mapper, but as someone who struggled a lot with getting feedback and criticism for work, it's one of these things that you can get used to by getting exposed to it more and more often

>>10158754
>I just don't know how
It's a fun hobby. I see it as my art. I don't do it to be an attention whore.

>comments will be telling you how you fucked up
I glad of these, because they make evolve as a mapper. I give these comments as a token of my appreciation. If I don't care about a wad/map/pak, I don't need it to be fixed. But maybe I should express myself more softly. I learn something new every day.

>who are normal dudes
What is normal? Over emotional and fragile consumer by your definition? If it weren't for us autists and other obsessed dudes, you wouldn't be even playing these games, because there would severe lack of source ports and content.

>>10158827
nice

>>10158753
Thank you

>>10157585
I've been thinking about Hell recently.
In the Doom universe, since it's the future and we're clearly fucking with actual Hell, Satan being king of that domain can do as he sees fit. Here on Earth today, a giant demon can just pierce any human with any armor with it's claws and strength and it can probably rip the top of a tank open and spit fire down inside or whatever. But in the Doom universe there's obviously way more tech and the individual Mars Marine is armed to the fucking teeth and able to shred demons at a distance, so Satan feels the need to arm and start upgrading from 1AD technology to 2149 tech. Hence, the Cyber Demon.

>>10158796
I'm not saying everyone should be kneeling and kissing mappers feet but Jesus you'd think that someone spending hundreds of hours on free content the least people could throw was a few "neat/thanks/I liked this" etc. I'm talking literally the least effort possible.

https://files.catbox.moe/byf48z.wad Kart anon, I updated Parias

>>10157000
Bitterman also has the benefit of crashlanding way off course. The Strogg main forces are preoccupied with the main invasion force elsewhere on the planet so he only has to deal with the riffraff left on guard duty.

>>10157000
>Medal of Honor is certainly the worst case scenario
Medal of Honor was smart about its setup. You're in tactical operations that all are small-scope setpieces in the war that don't try to break the bank on scale until certain game climaxes, and that's when you're not just stumbling through the battlefield of major operations. Now yes the protag of Frontline should've died a thousand times over in Normandy, any WW2 game that has you die liberally on the D-Day beach pretty much teaches you that this shit was a meatgrinder, but otherwise most everything else is war movie tier luck and film realism logic of small skirmishes and ops that can reasonably be survived.