/vr/ - Retro Games

It doesn't use micro switch - whatever technology the original neogeo had.

>8bitdo

It's probably okay at best.

>>10158448
Br?

>>10158456
It does. This is the new 8bitdo wireless controller, not the shitty controller that came with the Neo Geo mini cabinet thing.

>>10158527
BRazil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDbJW5F9Ag

My is on its way. Should have it tomorrow. Anyone interested in my smol review?

>>10158686
post it here please.

>>10158448
How would Brazilians know?

Why don't Neo Geo collectors care about the true original Neo Geo controls (LS-32 + Omron XW6Z-0011) ?

>>10158805
Wasn't LS-40 more common in Neo Geo cabs?

>>10158672
>Testes control

8-bit do marketing thread #542

>>10158686
Yeah. I wanted to order it but they only have US shipping at this point.

COME TO BRASIL (AND SHILL 8BITDO)

mine was delivered yesterday, it's a good controller
really don't know the technicalities about it but it feels really good at performing motions for fighting games or playing games like metal slug, I even 1cc Megaman TPB kek

i still dont understand why they didnt make it compatible with the arcade stick pro

>>10158813
Not until 1995.
For the first four years it was LS-32.

I'm interested in a micro movement test for shmups

>>10158686
yeah, post info here anon. offer comparison to original if you can.

>>10158448
I mean its pretty much just the snes controller but with a stick rather than a dpad. Are the sticks even accurate to the originals? I somehow doubt it.

>>10160008
kinda want one for super metroid now if an anon suggests the stick is actually good

>>10159447
it doesn't work with the arcade stick pro?
Can't you just plug it into the stick and be a player 2?

>>10159447
If people will cry about it enough they will add it in a firmware update.

>>10158672
How are BRs so obsessed with neo geo when couldn't even afford NES systems in the 90s

>>10160564
They had Neo Geo arcade machines running bootleg cartridges in every neighborhood.

>>10158789
>>10159346
>>10159867
Here we go. No unboxing because who fucking cares? You guys really want to know how the stick feels, right? Its pretty good. But from the beginning:
pretty good weight, not too light, not too heavy. Only thing that rattles when shaking are the shoulder buttons. Shoulder buttons are not clicky, they feel more like Dual Shock L & R, they feel good, way better than retrobit saturn controller shoulder buttons.
Face buttons are basic, nothing bad, nothing good (well that yellow color looks like diarrhea). Start, select are made of some kind of rubber, good in my opinion.
I'm glad to announce that stick feels pretty good. Did a quick test on KoF 98 with Shermie since she has a lot of half-circles and quarter-circles and had near 100% successful inputs.
clicks are not too loud, it gives you a bit of slack before engaging the switches and the switches feel more on a lighter side. I can compare them to Cherry D44L in my LS-32. Diagonals are also where they suppose to be (small arrows)
>>10159807
I play mostly shmups so quick left-right and up-down is good. Quick righ-down and similar without diagonal is doable but really needs training. Definitely better than my ascii pad for ps2

>>10160008
>Are the sticks even accurate to the originals
Yes, they licensed the patent from SNK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr7Oz-FcsPc
The disassembly confirms it. You can see the four microswitches turned inside on the d-pad assembly which line up with how the original looks and works
https://gamesx.com/controldata/neopadfix.htm

>>10158448
what do people even like about the original? just that it's clicky? is it in any way superior, quicker, more accurate, or durable than a dpad? can it do complex subsequent input strings better than other options? idk anything about this

>>10161182
In principal it works the same way as a arcade stick i.e it's a stick that engages four microswitches instead of rubber pads.

>>10158448
Why just 4 face buttons, but add the shoulder buttons? They could have used the later one that had added two more face buttons and the shoulder buttons.

>>10161240
I was thinking this as well, but I think they needed to strike a balance between retro and modern. The neo pad 2/3 has smaller buttons and isn't nearly as well known as the original and the addition of shoulder bumpers is easy to do and gives more functionality for non-neo games

>>10161092
>No unboxing because who fucking cares?
All of us care. You basically let everyone down.
>You guys really want to know how the stick feels, right?
No, not a little bit. We wanted an unboxing. If the controller is good or bad, that's secondary.

>>10161240
>Why just 4 face buttons,
Because it's first and foremost a replacement controller for the neo-geo mini.

>>10161240
Interesting letter G in the end of your handwriting. Graphology suggests you either killed or has the potential to kill someone in cold blood.

>>10161138
>Yes, they licensed the patent from SNK.
sauce?

>>10161240
Because kill yourself capcuck

>>10161547
Shut up, handwriting cop from Catwomen.

>>10161138
>>10161092
Damn, now I kind of want to get an MVS board and use this for the controller. Or just get the controller and use MAME and Fightcade. I imagine this controller would be good for MvC2 and 3 Ultimate as well.

I got mine today. I think it's pretty damn good but I've never used an OG Neo Geo controller so I can't compare on that regard. Quality feels similar to their M30 pad which I really like as well. I hate their terrible SNES controllers so I'm glad this one feels great.

If 8bitdo made a wired controller with a 4-button layout and an 8-direction d-pad, then I'd consider buying it. The M30 is nice, tried one from someone else, but it's not fully to my taste. First, it's wireless. Second, not every game fares well with a 6-button layout. Are there any controllers like the one I described? So far (more than a decade), my best match is a Logitech F310, though its analog sticks and triggers are very mediocre.

>>10161240
>box jades
you're an idiot

Just got mine, tested in in Real Bout Special. It's great.

>>10161371
Stop speaking for me, you fat cunt.

>>10164586
Never! Until I'm acknowledged as the voice of my generation. When that happens, I'm gonna have a meltdown and ask why can't you all leave me alone. It will be fun.

Can anyone who has owned multiple pads (Original, Pocket Color, PS2/3, and New) compare them? I have a PS2 one and the travel distance of the stick is unacceptable compared to a dpad. It has more travel time than a 3DS circle pad, despite being digital. I imagine the Pocket Color probably needed a smaller gate, which would make it the best of the bunch.

>>10162000
look into a hori pokken pad
They use to be dirt cheap. Only bad thing I can say about it is the button labels wear off after heavy use.

>>10158448
>how does it compare to the original
well since it doesnt use db15 or support db15 its NOT THE CONTROLLER IT JUST FUCKING LOOKS LIKE IT

i hate this faggy earth so much

>>10158448
>No Switch support unless you buy the 8bitdo wireless adapter 2

I sleep, wake me up when they add official Switch support with a firmware update

>>10165394
Thanks for the answer, but the models I found all have the cross d-pad, instead of 8-direction.

>>10165412
Explain

While I'm here, the 8bitdo Mega Drive controller, M30 whatever, is neat and all for 6-button fighters and games, but not a fan of the mushy D-pad. What's a good alternative, because as much as Retrobit Saturn controllers tempt me I gather it's the same problem

The stick feels pretty good, but note that it’s a square gate instead of the circle gate that’s in the NGP

I believe original CD pads also had a square gate.

Regardless I think I’m gonna 3D print a limiter to go around the stick shaft to get a circle movement like the ngp

>>10165471
>add official Switch support with a firmware update
How? The pad doesn't have a BT adapter only a 2.4Ghz one. No firmware will make it compatible with the switch.

>>10165814
>I believe original CD pads also had a square gate.
Yes. Also watch out with the gate size as too much pressure on the switches will shorten their lifespan.

>>10166108
nta, but you sound very, let's be polite and say "confused". The "adapter" is just something that communicates with the controller and the PC. It has nothing to do with what the controller is able to do all on its own. The part in the controller may be perfectly capable of doing BT. Many modern ones are able to handle many different wireless standards. You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

>>10166318
Could you clue me in some more?
t. Doesn't have the slightest clue what you are talking about

>>10165471
Just use mission control to make it compatible.

>>10161092
It looks like I was mistaken, they did have 6 face buttons, but sadly they have them flanking the start button. It is sort of like the Xbox black and white buttons, while still there, they are just not as convenient for play use. Also it looks like a 2xSai filter was applied to Shiranui but not the flames which is also inconsistent with the look of the '97 logo on the lower right (and why '97 specifically?).

>>10161350
>>10161406
They did take the effort in adding the shoulders and 2 more buttons on the sides of the start button, they could have just just used the 6 button layout to fit more games without adding analog sticks.

>>10161547
Things have changed and what used to be science from my day is no longer true. Pluto used to be a planet, phenology is fake, electricity moves from negative to positive instead of the other way, gender is now a spectrum, and graphology is just pseudoscience. Things have changed, and I've gotten really old, this is just how things have progressed.

>>10162029
I like the box navies more since it is heavier. That may be because my first keyboard in gaming was a clicky space invaders NMB keyboard. Still I like the feel of box jades too, but I don't see what is wrong with them.

>>10166318
The one that is confused is you anon, switch doesn't take xinput devices. You need a adapter to act as a wrapper you can't just change firmware. Hope this fills in your complete lack of awareness..

You guys wanna see a pic of my poo?

>>10166610
>>10161092

>>10165814
>circle gate that’s in the NGP
What has a circle gate?

>>10166597
>graphology is just pseudoscience
However, your murderous intent is real and tangible. Thankfully, I'm away from you. Otherwise, my dead body would appear on one of your pictures, along with a piece of paper saying "hello /vr/, you shouldn't meddle in other people's businesses."

>>10160008
Not even remotely, snes controller is ass.

>>10158672
Who fucking cares about that shithole?

>>10166727
>anon shits himself when being exposed as a retard
many such cases in the psychiatric ward.

>>10167076
>shitting yourself means pooping in a toilet
wat? kek

>>10167116
This time you managed to get there in time. Better stop posting now or else next time you won't be that lucky kid.

>>10167148
>coping this hard

>>10166727
bro wtf are you eating? I had shits like this and it was always because i drank way too much coffee and alcohol and not enough fiber

>>10167164
* not eat enough fiber
i suppose drinking some psyllium husk mixed with water wouldn't hurt you either lol

>>10167158
shitting again?

Don't waste your money on these expensive things, I remember when I was playing KOF 98 I broke a few controllers trying to do chizuru's little jump before giving up forever.

That controller is too expensive for this kind of training, I might as well just use a regular Chinese USB SNES controller for less coins.

>>10165760
>>10165412
>NEO GEO CD
>NEO GEO AES
>NEO GEO MVS\SUPERGUN
they all use db15 port
also unrelated the famicom ext port uses it as well if youre considering hacking up something yourself for cheap

the new faggy controller doesn't support original hardware
despite all of 8bitdos previous offerings doing so and including a dongle
even retrobit saturn\genesis pads work with the original systems

bitch move by 8bit
disappointing

>>10166464
>Could you clue me in some more?
I don't think I can. If you don't understand my explanation you lack the knowledge and mental capacity to to be clued in.
>>10166610
>more random baby babble
How am I supposed to even respond to a clueless baby that imagines it is an expert on this shit let alone understand it. lmaooooooooo?

>>10161092
Thanks anon.

>>10168324
>I can’t explain it because I don’t know myself, and if I attempt an explanation I’ll out myself as ignorant
lol

>>10168446
Projecting pretty hard there kiddo. I'd tell you to seek help, but I’d rather just watch you continue to embarrass yourself.

>>10168654
I just think you don't know anything. After all, you haven't shown any knowledge yet. If you wanted, you could start now.

>>10168929
>I just think
Liar. You don't know anything. After all, you haven't shown any knowledge yet. If you wanted, you could start now.

>>10166318
>it has BT so it must work with the switch they are hiding the capability from us!
lol there is a billion BT controllers doesn't mean a dualshock will work with a switch. The wireless communication protocol has nothing to do with the raw output of the controller. You sound like a underage child.

>>10168951
Nah, you're just wasting everyone's time. I will focus on the thread and stop replying to you.

>>10166887
Neo geo pocket.

It’s the actual shape of the thumb cap that acts as the “gate” preventing it from going into the corners

>>10168970
>zoom zoom zoom ur child
Keep on embarrassing yourself kiddo
>i lost i will give up
I will accept your concession

>>10169091
How does it do that?

>>10168324
Why do you do this? What do you gain from knowingly saying incorrect shit?

This is an anonymous board. You won't get clout from people believing your bullshit, and when people point the bullshit out, nobody will know or care that it was you anyway.

You have nothing to gain or lose by blatantly lying. So stop it.

BR??? HUE HUE HUE

fuck off monkey LMAO

>>10169338
I gain pleasure from calling out ignorant zoom zooms and watching them flail and fail, lose their shit, and get mocked and banned.
It's also good for the quality of the board. When clueless zoomers like you are outed you may think you're anonymous, but everyone in the thread, on the board even, knows you're "that anonymous". You can try to hide your inner stupid with samefagging, redditing, etc. but your true ignorant zoomer self will always shine through.

>>10169607
So far it's only your post that get deleted kiddo. Your impotent rage for being called out is very amusing. Also despite trying to sound smart you are responding with seethe to three different poster. Such a shame you don't understand even the basics of how this site works.

>>10168123
Making accessories for the AES is probably commercially nonviable there is less NG systems produced than NG Minis at this point.

>>10168970
>strawman cope
I accept your concession

Those things are fucking hard to double-tap directionally.

>>10165471
Have you tried not playing games on a shitty tablet?

>>10167065
People with uncut cocks.

>>10170468
>he's still seething
lol

is it only usb or can you use these on an mvs/aes?

>>10167889
>30 bucks
>expensive

>>10172080
>i'm still seething
kids. lol.

>>10161182
never used this before, if it's anything like the pocket color then it's just fucking smooth and satisfying, like good sex.

>>10170262
They ve made 700.000 neo geo consoles. Probably more than twice Neo CD consoles. And millions of MVS systems.

>>10174356
According to SNK they only ever produced a 1.8mil of all AES/MVS systems. You were living in a bubble anon.

>>10161092
Interesting, how is it compared to an actual arcade stick or d-pad? I couldn't see it as a full replacement on my Saturn controller for sidescrollers and what not, but for shmups? It might be good. Any thoughts? And if you think this repro sucks, is the original worth seeking out as someone who doesn't particularly play fighting games?

>>10162000
You know, you could connect it using the usb cable like most modern controllers.

For me the m30 is one of the best comfy controllers I have ever used, Switch Pro is also comfy but not for 2d gaming.

How I set the buttons for a SNES config? Think of a inverted T with the following mapping from SNES to M30 controller:
Y->A
B->B
A->C
X->Y
L, R, start and select are the same.

Most games dont use all 4 buttons, mostly X is like a second "Select" button or some shit like that so it doesn't affect me too much. Of course it would be weird for Street Fighter or Smash TV but for most games it is perfect.

Think SMW, A for running, B for jumping, C for spin jump. Zelda, A for Items, B for sword, C for running/grab, Y for Map. Super Metroid, I change the controllers here but I also do it for the Snes controller, shoot with A, jump with B, run with C, Y is for deselecting items. I even play some PSX games but I admit it isn't great for that.

After a couple of days with it, it's a very good controller. I do wish it had 6 face buttons like the Neogeo PS1 controller though because it would be less limiting for use on other consoles. But then you lot would've cried about that so 8BitDo made the right decision I think.

>>10175475
>Interesting, how is it compared to an actual arcade stick or d-pad?
uh that's a weird questions since you hold them entirely different in your hand. But if you want an answer: it feels like a pocket ls-32 or maybe ls-40 (don't have one). Compared to d-pads it feels like saturn dpad with more feedback thanks to the clicky switches. I think something like 623 can be a bit tricky since it naturally drives your through diagonal (kinda). I mostly played on ps1 dpad as a kid.
>I couldn't see it as a full replacement on my Saturn controller for sidescrollers and what not, but for shmups?
I see it. For shmups, sorry didn't test it thoroughly on those, but I get you, since I've played shit ton Twinkle Star sprites on my saturn.

>>10175492
That is a sane mapping also used in retroarch.
For nes you map select to 'A' for games that use select for magic or something.

>>10175534
How does it hold up as a generic controller for e.g. genesis or snes?

>>10175634
I’m buying this on my next paycheck then, with shmups in particular I miss the feedback from a good mechanical keyboard like my model F XT but I like being able to just slide my thumb around

you faggots STILL following for 8shitdo shilling

feedback for this is the exact same as every other piece of shit this company shats out. youtubers and other paid influences say its fucking great. redditors who never held the original controller in their life say its great.

but when you get it you will find out it's dogshit.

>>10175816
It's fine yeah, I tried it in most retro consoles. Obviously the form factor favours SNES a lot more than most retro consoles.
But I don't think I'll be using this for many non-SNK/non-fighting games, I have the M30 for most of the rest and I would recommend that over this pad if you could only buy one.

>>10175949
>you faggots STILL following for 8shitdo shilling
I liked their ultimate bluetooth controller despite the terrible name, great for my small little tiny girl hands :(

That said, their "SNES-like" controllers have kind of gummy feeling d-pads that aren't as responsive as I recall my old SNES pads to feel, I've also used the M30 which doesn't even come close to a genuine genesis or saturn pad! I'd say their d-pads are on par with a DS4 for what that's worth, and are only good if you're coming from an Xbox or Switch controller

>>10167065
Brazilians are based /vr/ appreciators. Not by choose but it checks out. You're more likely to find retro gaming buddies there than most other countries except France, UK and Japan.

>>10175949
>The entire world except for myself thinks it's great
>They are all paid vaxxed matrix agent shills, I'm the only one who is right

Fuck off

>>10178392
To be fair, I somewhat understand. Remember that we’re on /vr/, and all it takes to see through 8bitdo’s shotty reproduction of the SNES dpad is experience on an original SNES controller, which most of us probably have. Now, I am going to say in the grand scheme, 8bitdo indeed have some of the highest quality buttons, build, etc of any non hori third party controller I’ve seen however they skimp on components you might overlook. One of the biggest problems on their SN30 line of controllers is the poor contacts on the PCB, I’m unsure of the details but the membranes don’t make the best contact and at best I can mash the button so the contacts, however this is fatiguing and flat out unacceptable for any difficult shmups (and I’d guess fighting games) while annoying for anything outside a simple RPG. That’s not the worst of it, though, as mashing also tends to lead to accidental down and up presses and makes rolling the dpad left and right near impossible as when the pivot is pressed in the middle both directions will just barely register causing inputs to flicker between left and right. I was playing through Touhou 19 on hard just trying to finish the game quickly after work, and it would’ve been damn near impossible with an 8bitdo controller.

With all of that said, it’s exactly in anon’s original post, 8bitdo controllers are great for normies who might at best play a retro throwback game or replay Mario World a couple of times and needs a good controller for like 15 bucks. For retro gaming enthusiasts or those playing any difficult d-pad reliant game, I don’t think I’d recommend the 8bitdo controllers I’ve used. That’s why the ultimate Bluetooth controller was my favorite, the sticks felt good and is great for modern games, could also be used for sixth and seventh gen games if you’d really like to make me feel like a grandma and qualify those as retro. That said I’d rather use the original controller in those cases still

>>10178615
I've had a few Retrobit megadrive 6button pads which I've been hammering on for a couple of years now without a single issue, recommended.

>>10178624
Mine developed a dodgy connection somewhere inside the wire and the membrane on one of the buttons was starting to give out. They sent a replacement but the longevity of the controller is in question. Be gentle on those wires anon.

>>10175949
>never held the original controller in their life
yeah and we both know you haven't held the new one either so don't pretend like you're any better.

>>10178665
Wireless here. Were you using the megadrive or saturn pad?

>>10178682
megadrive pad. To be fair, I was playing paprium when it came out non stop and a lot of that game is spamming one button repeatedly I blame it for the membrane.

>>10158448
Will it work with the Neo Geo Mini if I use a USB-C OTG adapter?

>>10178759
The box already has a adapter for the mini. In fact this controller was made with the mini in mind and is the main compatible system.

>>10178381
I'm from Brazil, and that's not entirely true. Surely, if you look at raw numbers, you might find more people who like retrogaming than in many countries around the world; however, they will still be a minority. If you pick a random gamer from Brazil, it's more likely that he will like modern stuff only, and even more certain that it will be the current FIFA game and, maybe, some shooter to spice things up. Another issue: Brazil is even bigger than contiguous USA, so retrogamers here will be geographically spread to the point you'll feel lucky to have a buddy to play /vr/ with.

>>10178759
The issue is, you would need to own a Neo Geo Mini in the first place. Those minis are the worst of the arcade minis iirc. I am wondering which of the tate mini arcade units are best for emulating the Neo Geo.

>>10167065
idk, they are pretty retarded

>>10180072
The Neo Geo Mini was definitely the least impressive of the mini consoles I've owned. For starters, it doesn't look like the American arcade unit at all which made it feel a lot less nostalgic to me. The video quality is crap with no options for integer scaling or interpolation which was almost a deal breaker except I got a really good deal on the red Samurai Shodown one, which I have enjoyed for what I've used it. The controllers are kind of crap though, even though they do work. Visually they're a plausible enough facsimile of the Neo CD controllers but without microswitch joysticks you immediately realize something's off with them.

Picrel is the North American Neo Geo mini we should have gotten, or something close to it. It's not perfect but this could have all been done with the same toolings as the Japanese version so there's really no excuse. Hell they even made a red version for the limited Christmas release, but the buttons and stick were the wrong colors (gold). I feel like this thing was a real missed opportunity.

>>10180762
And here's an even better example of what it should have been, had SNK bothered to put the time and money needed into really giving North American fans what we wanted. I've never seen a Japanese Neo Geo in person but I have many fond memories of the Big Red MVS. I almost bought one at Goodwill and missing out on that is one of my biggest regrets.

>>10179597
That makes sense, same deal as with everyone else then. Still nice that you have a large retro scene