/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10152467
It's a solid lineup. Ness was a literal who with how Earthbound flopped in America and wasn't released in PAL, but he adds some variety.

>>10152467
I knew nothing about Earthbound, as a child, so I just saw Ness as some extra character just to fill in the roster. This was released during Pokemania era, so it was appropriate for them to include Pikachu, but I never understood why they included Jigglypuff, but I was fine with it.

people would complain about jigglypuff and maybe luigi but i think the roster is perfect at showing nintendo's flagship characters from that period.

Who says it's about a game being "big enough"?
It was just a fun game with a bunch of Nintendo characters, and they included some less usual ones like Captain Falcon and Ness for shits and giggles.
Stop being so polemic you turd.

>>10152491
>It was just a fun game with a bunch of Nintendo characters
This. They didn't start going nuts on reflecting a character's popularity until Brawl.

>>10152467
It was good enough really. Melee expanded on Mario characters with Peach and Bowser while adding a bunch of other fun additions like Mewtwo.

>>10152505
It was cool at first but I think Ultimate took it too far. I really like the roster in Remix so far, can't wait to see who or what they add next

>>10152467
Had zero clue when I first played it, assumed it was Red/Blue/Ash from Pokemon

>>10152540
I remember when brawl first came out I thought Lucas was the playable character from Animal Crossing

Roster would have been perfect if maybe Luigi or Jiggly had been replaced with a Rare/Nintendo colab era icon like Fulgore or Banjo. Banjo especially was a main Nintendo ip of that time being featured on marketing materials right alongside Mario, Link and Pikachu. it really was a huge missing character to not include for that era. Wario also should have probably been included instead of Luigi since this was still at the height of his popularity and an active face of their handheld systems.

>>10152628
It's an easy mistake to make, especially when you're a kid

>>10152702
I didn't know who Fulgore was before reading this post

>>10152702
To be fair Banjo was brand new at the time, they probably wanted to focus on older IP's. It kind of puts characters like Pit and Ice Climber into perspective

>>10152467
Mario - Given.
Yoshi - Yes, his franchise branched from Mario's.
Donkey Kong - See Yoshi (though really vice versa).
Link - Given.
Samus - Sure.
Kirby - HAL made this, of course Kirby's a darling.
Fox - Absolutely, the SNES & N64 games killed it.
Pikachu - You're kidding if we're not having it.
Luigi - I get why they went with him, but if we wanted to complete the "Mario characters who spun off into their own franchises" schtick, it really should've been Wario, and it would've saved him from Ware-ization to boot.
Jigglypuff - Okay, Smash without the puff is unthinkable now, but back then? This was sheer WTF. Pokemon was just getting off the ground, and we're getting two reps at the start? No, time willing, this should've been someone like Pit or Banjo. Sakurai clearly wanted something that he can build off an existing character (Kirby), because Jiggly wasn't THAT much of a breakout 'mon in the anime, and it was Clefairy that was the runner-up mascot.
Captain Falcon - Why not, F-Zero X was very popular as I recall, and he fit the prototypical fighter.
Ness - Good choice, the MOTHER games were big enough in Japan and the second game was HAL's other darling at the time.
Taking the nostalgia goggles off and assuming that it might've been the only Smash game, the lineup is a solid 8/10, just would've seriously rethought Jigglypuff and Luigi.

>>10152530
kill yourself you subhuman with your time paradox roster. You keep shilling this abomination, just fuck off already.

>>10152751
So was Pokemon at the time. Lonk was based on his OoT design, Fox was his 64 design. All the renders taken from recent promotional materials. For the time, a lot of the content was current stuff. If we are going on a focus of "old content", Samus, Ness and Kirby were the only ones with a lack of N64 presence or handheld, but only by a couple years. Wario especially was a weird one to exclude since he had multiple releases by that point and didn't come much later then Yoshi.

>>10152786
I never told them to add Dark Samus

Semi off-topic, but how would a PS1 smash be like? I'd also include sega in this but they kind of had fighters megamix.

Should've had Wario instead of Luigi, nobody likes that sissy faggot.

>>10152838
Waluigi is the one people only like due to memes.

>>10152485
Jigglypuff was really popular from the anime.

>>10152837
They did one but it wasn't until PS3, being headlined by characters like Sackboy and Kratos instead of Crash and Spyro for obvious reasons. Needless to say if they made one on PS1 it probably would've fared a lot better

>>10152773
Jigglypuff was literally the second-most-popular Pokemon at the time after Pikachu, plus it was an easy reuse of Kirby's model.

>>10152838
It’s usually a good decision to include something for the players to relate to

>>10152838
I like Luigi. I remember his year. Good times.

It was good and I was happy with it at the time. Don't know if I'd even played Earthbound by the time it came out, but a friend of a friend made sure to sperg out about him.

>>10152467
>Was Earthbound big enough to warrant a spot?
Mother 2 was developed by HAL, so yeah it warrants a spot I'd say.
Also, Mother was fairly popular in Japan due to the Itoi connection, was it not?
It was a good addition to the roster for variety and it's not a clone of any of the other characters, quite unique gameplay.

>>10152467
The main eight characters made perfect sense. The bonus characters were supposed to be humourous and/or obscure.

>>10152530
Is it possible to remove stuff from Smash Remix by myself? I really don't like some stuff they added like Mementos, I would like if they kept it all retro

Too bad we didn't get Banjo or 007. Pretty solid lineup though, considering the time limitations. Picks like Jigglypuff are pretty obviously a constraint on the time, and I think it probably would've been Charizard otherwise.

>>10152467
no one knew who ness was and if you used either of the pokemon, you were made fun of. at least where i'm from.

>>10152467
at the time pokemon was such a young franchise that some were legit upset it could be put on the same level as mario or link

>>10153130
>2013 was ten years ago
Maybe he'll return on that missing plane

>>10153045
If so, why did none of my classmates that were into Pokemon talked about Jigglypuff? All we ever cared about was getting Mew.

>>10153521
i think jiggly was mostly popular in japan. and whatever is popular in the home country is the only popularity that matters.

We all knew who Ness was, since Earthbound was pretty big. The only one we didn't know was Captain Falcon, since pretty much none of us read the comic at the back of the F-Zero instruction manual, or played F-Zero X.

>>10152837
crash, spyro, the bad guys from those games, cloud, sephiroth, jin and kazuya, lara croft, snake, sweet tooth, parappa, croc, Reiko Nagase, ape(s) from ape escape

>>10153586
>Ape Escape
Looking back it's funny how Sony positioned that as a system mascot game.

>was Earthbound big enough to warrant a spot
In an ideal world, mother 3 was around the corner

>>10152467
I thought it had something todo with this guy.

>>10153535
Earthbound was almost nonexistent in the west. Sales were comparable to no name shovelware on SNES, the game never made it to Europe.

>>10152745
You are a zoomer than. Because KI was the bigger than MK on N64.

As a kid I wondered where peach and Bowser were.

why are toad and waluigi still missing from smash when the current game has about 4,000 characters with tons of shitters and non-nintendo characters?

>>10153079
Jiggs and Kirby have different models

>>10152467
Ness was the first nepotism pick. (and Marth would have been the second if he made the cut)
Earthbound, and it's predecessor, sold like shit everywhere and barely anyone knew about Earthbound until Ness appeared in Smash.

The only reason he made the cut because everyone working on Smash 64 was gaga for Itoi's work.
They would have either added any cut character or anybody else if not for him, because he'd fall under the same place with Sakurai saying he can't add Takemaru from Murasame Castle or Ayumi Tachibana from Famicom Tantei Club because they're too domestic.

Hell, if they were adding guests already, I'd imagine they add the DQ Hero(es) into the game early on.


That being said, Ness was still a cool addition to Smash, but i sure wished they added Ninten first.

>>10153772
*too niche and domestic

>>10152491
>Who says it's about a game being "big enough"?
Apparently Sakurai's hypocrite ass

>Ayumi
>Takamaru
There's already two Famicom Disk Drive characters in.
Adding a 3rd would be a stretch.

Why did they think a little boy shooting lightning bolts up his ass was a good idea? It always made me laugh at how they had so little ideas to use him in game and this was his most useful move

>>10153798
Ironic, both games respectively are basically brother and sister to each other.
Mysterious Murasame castle was a by product of Zelda
FTC was basically Sakamoto writing a fanficy vn to women.

>That friend who would spam [Character]'s Up/Down/Neutral B
Fuck you, Jacob!

>>10153816
>jacob
Tell me has autism without telling me

>>10152467
No, it was not. I didn't even know who Samus was, much less C. Falcon or Ness. I think a lot of people must have been like me and never had a Nintendo console (except maybe for Game Boy) prior to N64, so I only knew Mario, Luigi, Link, Fox, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Yoshi, and (only because of older kids that were my brother's friends) DK and Kirby. I only had a Sega (and Game Gear, technically) prior to this.

But that was one of the cool things about Smash Bros.: it let you discover all these cool new characters and opened up a ton of replay value because of that. My brother's favorite character became Ness just because he was hugely into psychic powers and Animorphs at the time, plus he looked like a Pokemon trainer. He wanted EarthBound so much after we got a Super NES the next year, but it was rare even then lol

Switching gears to Melee, if they wanted to add a recent new face, i wish they had dropped maybe two of the clones development time to Saki from Sin&Punishment or Paper Mario.

>>10152745
Neither did rest of Japan, you're not alone.

>>10153629
>he thinks nips are playing a MK expy over Skeet Fighter or KoF
it wouldn't make sense in the first place.
I mean, why did you think they went with adding a bounty hunting racer with an obvious "Terry knock off" function for a moveset?

>>10153535
>We all knew who Ness was, since Earthbound was pretty big.
Your brain on Starman.net

>>10153616
Like they renamed him and put him in?

>>10153535
F-Zero
>released worldwide
>2.8+ million copies sold
>was supposed to mascot the SNES at first

Mother
>Only one of their games made it to the US
>sold like piss in Japan
>inflation crisis with every copy of Earthbound in the US
>a clone if another game that wasn't popular in the west decades later

>Earthbound was pretty big.
LOL

>>10153535
>Earthbound big
>F-Zero not
This is your brain on jarpigs.

>>10152813
Eh, Banjo was not only not even close in popularity to Pikachu and Jigglypuff (B-K was mostly known as a great rental at the time, rather than having a hit TV show besides games and then cards, too), but since he wasn't a Japanese character, HAL would know even less about him than normal (on the other hand, DK had 5 years of precedence and was also popular in Japan and came from a really good-selling game). Fox not only was from a Japanese game and a hugely-promoted N64 game, but since the Rumble Pak packed in helped sell the game to newcomers (like me), putting in his 64 version was a no-brainer to make the roster a hit, and OoT Link is a similar reason.

I could see Falcon and Mr.G&W swapping places for their debut title. Even if there was an initial "whothefuck" reaction, the Game&Watch Gallery already had multiple recent entries of decent popularity, while F-Zero would have had a 3rd game launching right around Melee.

>>10153616
Since you brought up Nester, I didn't have Nintendo Power and had never read it (though I saw some issues at somebody's house), but years later I was amazed to see my favorite character from Pilotwings as the NP mascot.

>>10153882
Makes sense. I at least played Game & Watch Gallery 2 (Classic Parachute) prior to when Melee was released.

>>10152745
Fulgore is literally on the box art of like every original n64 console, he probably sold more consoles around launch than anything else except Mario or Star Wars. Everyone knew about him.

>>10153846
>sold like piss in Japan
Both games sold half a million copies in Japan. That's very much above average for a Super Famicom game (for comparison, a big AAA title like Link to the Past only sold 1.12 million in Japan).

>>10153867
Banjo was big enough to be featured alongside Mario, Zelda and Pokemon characters in the one Mario Artist title and that never made it out of Japan. While not "Pokemon big", at the time the series was absolutely a big profile ip and major enough that Nintendo considered it a system seller to be featured in multiple marketing material and merchandise. At the time, the first game was more fresh and relevant then Metroid or Mother and it represented a stronger partnership between the two companies. Maybe looking back decades later its not something you would expect to see, but at the time it was a major exclusion. I get Luigi is Marios bro and Pokemon is a big enough cultural impact to get two, but as much as i love Earthbound, Banjo would have made much more sense to be featured then Ness. Its just a baffling decision for the era outside the simple fact it would require some more paperwork with Rare, which they already had to for their DK stuff, and the fact the devs didn't personally care that much about the game/characters.

>>10153534
yeah jiggly was huge in japan
in america it was seen as this annoying thing that wouldn't go away

>>10152745
>>10153629
>>10153905
Fulgore seems to be a strange case where everyone had SEEN the character and would recognize his design, but a lot of people wouldn't have actually played his game or even known him by name. For years he was "that robot from some 64 game" for me because I missed out in KI Gold.

As a kid I only really knew Donkey Kong, Mario, and Pikachu. Smash 64 was my introduction to Nintendo's other big franchises, and the data screen with the character profiles that listed their most recent games is how I found out what games I wanted as a kid.

>>10153832
Damn, is that site still around? I remember going on there in the 90's.

>>10152481
>Pokemon was just getting off the ground
>height of pokemania

>>10153289
the source is public so you could give it a shot if you know how to edit code shit
https://github.com/JSsixtyfour/smashremix

>>10152773
You are a fucking retard talking up your ass.
Jigglypuff was one of the most popular Pokemon and Mother 2 wasn't popular in Japan until westerns started sucking its dick and even so it's considered a niche franchise same as Super Metroid believe it or not.

>>10154292
What does this have to do with Ness?

>>10154292
learn how to reply to the correct post you retard faggot

>>10154454
>same as Super Metroid believe it or not.
Super sold half as good as Metroid 1 and did better than FE Judgral and Mystery games on the Super Famicom.
Mother makes now where near as much as Metroid or FE do in either places or just Japan. The nicheness is on Mother.

>>10153908
>Both games sold half a million copies in Japan
That's still nothing. Metroid alone and what you mentioned makes more than what Mother makes on average.
They also had very successful international releases at the time, unlike Earthbound.

>>10154691
>>10154695
Holy ESL.
Both Mother and Metroid are niche franchises in Japan, back then and now.
Next time you gonna talk up your ass turn around so we can hear you better.

>>10153521
>my classmates
What a bizarre counterpoint

>>10153289
You can literally change the souce code of the hack and no /vr/ faggot wanna do it.
But some spic zoomers are apparently with Smash Remix+! They added Shadow and Sans Undershit in it!

>>10153816
Eat shit, Ryan.

>>10153772
I feel you might be overlooking the power player that could influence that decision and have a motive for doing so: The president of HAL laboratory during the development of Smash 64 was the same guy that fast-tracked Earthbound development and is the most likely candidate for suggesting Ness as a playable character to Sakurai himself: Satoru Iwata.

Like yeah, Iwata enjoyed the story that Itoi made, but Itoi didn't have much pull in HAL when Smash 64 was under development. Sakurai had developed Smash as a generic fighting game at first and decided to add famous Nintendo characters to make it more marketable. Without permission, Sakurai included Mario, DK, Samus and Fox for a prototype proposal game which he showed to the then-head of HAL Laboratory, Satoru Iwata. This presentation is the most likely instance for Iwata to ask for the inclusion of a character he had helped bring to market: Ness from Mother 2/Earthbound.

That's what makes most sense to me. Iwata asked and Sakurai obliged.

>>10154706
Niche is such a little vague term, Mother is never a million breaker, not even half in Japan. Even then, it never sold as good as other major or smaller Nintendo titles, domestic or not.

Just tell me again why Sakurai should be blocking Murasame Castle, a few VN Famicom games, and Mach Rider while adding Ness because "whoaaaa Itoi's such an amazing guy!" is totally okay? It's just as bad as the aggressive shilling FE is getting since the 4th entries of Smash.

I was one of the maybe two dozen people who were really into EB when this was released, so unlocking Ness was my first priority when I got the game.

>>10152491
That was the cool thing about the first one, it introduce you to some more minor characters while obviously having the heavy hitters. It’s funny to me now that they added so many seemingly cool characters and I won’t play it past melee. I wonder if, since smash was so big and it came out around ms/hs for me, this was the catalyst for the massive “earthbound Zomg I love it so much now” because none of us knew who ness was or what game he came from so we had to look it up. Smash probably lead to a lot of the love it retroactively gets in the states, because we could easily emulate at the time on potato’s to run retro games. It be cool if they could control themselves and not go balls to the wall because now the games are so bloated it doesn’t even look fun to play.

>>10152467
It should’ve been Poliwhirl or Meowth instead of Jigglypuff.

>>10155159
>It should’ve been [HEADCANON]
kys rumorfag Meowth wasn't ever getting in the first place.

>Meowthfags are here
Time to repost

If Smash 64 was developed in the US instead of Japan, I imagine the roster would vastly stay the same except for Ness and Jigglypuff, as stated already, Earthbound was a commercial failure and sold like shit in America and Jigglypuff was mostly popular in Japan while the West saw her more as a pest.

Realistically, I think NoA would want to add Wario if they’re going by the “Mario characters who get their own sub-series” category like DK and Yoshi.

As for the 2nd Pokémon, it’ll definitely be Charizard or Meowth, was extremely popular in the US and the other is a recurring character with a speaking role in the anime or if they wanted variety, they’d say fuck it and add Banjo since it’s a western studio and he’s already a prominent Nintendo 64 icon at the time.

>>10152467
Earthbound had its US release in '95 with a sequel on the way that wasn't cancelled till 2000
Smash released in '99

>>10155197
>it’ll definitely be...Meowth,
No it wouldn't. They wouldn't figure out its moveset without being bland and generic.
Plus Banjo already push the game to it's poly limits with Kazooie alone, he'd be cut immediately for sake of budget.

>>10154292
By the time of release for Smash Bros Pokemon had already blown up in Japan with over 10 million sales and it had been out for 3 years, in America it had already been out for 7 months and was the fastest selling gameboy game with 4 million copies sold before the end of 1999 so you don't know what you're talking about.

>>10155215
This discussion seems US centric...so while Earthbound is considered one of the top cult classic games ever, that didn't really happen until it's online community developed in the 2000s.
The game kinda bombed initially. It had cutesy graphics and Nintendo had no idea how to market it. I remember seeing a stack of boxed EBs on clearance for 10 bucks each at a Best Buy in the late 90s (I could be retired by now if I bought them)

>>10152467
desu i didn't know who either ness nor samus were. i can't remember if i recognized captain falcon, but probably not either.

i had an NES as a kid, no SNES. then N64. never heard of metroid on NES.

was HYPED on mario, link, kirby, and pikachu, though.

>>10153831
On N64.

>>10152773
Why Pit? It likely would have been Marth, Bowser, Meowth or Mewtwo though

Captain Falcon? That's a pretty unexpected choice.
Ness? WHO THE FUCK IS NESS? But I liked the design.

>>10155159

What was TIMEs conclusion?
IS it bad?

>>10152467
Back when we actually played the game.
Everyone knew Mario, Luigi, DK, Link, Yoshi, Pikachu.
Most everyone knew Fox and Jigglypuff was part of the IMMENSE Pokemania.
Most people didn't know who Samus or Capt. Falcon was (You only saw Samus' name once or twice if you played Metroid and Capt. Falcon was not the only driver in F-Zero).
Practically no one knew who Ness was (Earthbound was not a successful game and never released PAL).

We had fun playing the game, playing the mini-games, and we
ACTUALLY PLAYED DIFFERENT LEVELS WITH ITEMS TURNED ON.

>>10155303
It's weird to think that if it wasn't for Ness of all characters getting in Smash on the very first entry, EarthBound would have faded into obscurity and only be remembered as one of Nintendo's very niche games, like Hotel Dusk for example. He sure was lucky

>>10155608
>Most people didn't know who Samus or Capt. Falcon was (You only saw Samus' name once or twice if you played Metroid and Capt. Falcon was not the only driver in F-Zero).
If they played Metroid or F-Zero, or even were aware of their existence, they would recognize the characters. By your logic, Link and Ryu are obscure because Link is never named Link in-game (unless you do name him that) and there are several playable characters in Street Fighter.

>>10155631
>Link is never named
>Navi screams "HEY! Listen" every five minutes with his name in a different color than the other text
Also, Street Fighter's mascot character, Ryu, was named at the Character Select screen every single time you picked a character to fight and then played as Ryu; Capt. Falcon wasn't named until N64, and both F-Zero games named their vehicles not their pilots (Blue Falcon, Fire Stingray, etc.). Plus, you played as the car, not as the human Capt. Falcon, you never saw him.

Jigglypuff was well known-because of the TV show. But it's a cope to pretend that he isn't a quick re-skin of Kirby. They would've picked Venusaur/Charizard/Blastoise/Mewtwo if they could.

It's not talked enough how Smash is responsible for the notoriety of Nintendo's old games even among casual audiences

Falcon is kinda important as a legacy character since he was intended as the mascot of the SNES, not just F-Zero.(until they completely dropped that concept almost immediately)

Would have been cool if in addition to F-Zero sequels, Falcon just kept showing up as the player character in a bunch of future games like space shooters and action games, kinda like Nintendo's own Captain Commando, G-Mantle or Segata mascot.(though i guess Nester kinda filled that roll)

>>10155663
hes saying that link is the default name but you have the agency in every game to name your character whatever you want. that said though, i think thats a poor argument because just being the default name is enough to suggest his name is truly link. its like reds name in pokemon or whatever

>>10155385
You still don't get it do you?

I was like 10 when the game came out and had generally owned Nintendo consoles up to that point. I was pretty familiar with all of the characters except Samus, Captain Falcon, and Ness. I think I had played Metroid II for a minute at a friends house once, but hadn't really heard of F-Zero or Earthbound. If I remember right this was the first N64 game to have Pokemon in it, and that alone was enough to sell it to everyone in my demographic on sight.

little mac wouldve been a better choice than captain falcon or ness
hell, mr game and watch wouldve been better

>>10152467
When i got to the very end and ness showed up waiting for me to challange him my jaw hit the ground as a kid. I had just beaten earthbound a year prior and it was all i would talk about to people who didnt give a fuck about what i was going on an on about. To me, they did it just for me, i also then thought it ment more earthbound was coming like the 64 version.... still kinda let down on that one.

>>10155667
Jiggs has a different model than Kirby. It's possible her chances of being in the game was higher because her model was easier to make than others, being a circle with ears, but Jigglypuff was clearly intended as the (early) "girl mascot" of Pokemon (even though Pikachu was chosen as the mascot over Clefairy partially because of Clefairy's portrayal in the manga).

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cvDTgzgG04I

>>10153924
I like the way you look at this, but I still don't think I agree. On a related note, I remember not knowing what the fuck "Super Smash Bros." was until the day we went to Toys R Us and bought it. People I knew just talked about it and said it was a really good game, not mentioning it had Pikachu and shit in it. It didn't hit me that it was a Nintendo-characters game until seeing Fox shooting lasers on the back of the box, then I was hype.

>>10152467
There HAD to've been some online chatter and hype when it was out

>>10153090

>>10154746
I still think Sakurai added Ness because Iwata suggested it.

>>10153924
Banjo sucked and was never popular enough for Smash.

>>10156403
No, I don't get when KoF and StreetFighter came out on N64.

>>10157851
Banjo was in the top 10 on N64.

>>10155663
>Capt. Falcon wasn't named until N64
you mean in-game only?

>>10157947
Larping Zooms who download roms don't know what manuals or game boxes are, please understand

>>10155608
>ACTUALLY PLAYED DIFFERENT LEVELS WITH ITEMS TURNED ON
Because at first there's no way to turn them the fuck off.
And none of the stages are adequate for tests of skill. Kirby's is the closest, but fuck that wind.

>>10157940
No it wasn't. Rare Ware sucks. over rated trash makers.

>>10157851
Tell that to Nintendo retard, considering they kept featuring him in the majority of their marketing materials during that era and got cameos.

>>10152467
Eh, even if it wasn't 'popular' enough to 'warrant' it, it's nice to have some weirdo dark horse chars and get the convo rolling on less tired IPs.

>>10158737
This.

>>10152530
THanks for showing your underage you little nigger. Sonic would never be in Smash Bros because, at the time, Sega was a fierce competitor with Nintendo. You would know that if you weren't a fucking casual zoomer piece of garbage. GTFO this board nigger.

Also,
>Dark Samus before she ever existed
>Mewtwo, despite being hidden endgame legendary
>Marth when FE was basically unheard of in the west
>Lucas before mother 3 existed
There is so much wrong here that I'm beginning to suspect this is a troll image. Seriously, fuck off this board you fuckin pleb. Shit like this is why I only briefly browse the catalog here then leave. This was hands-down the best board when it was first created. Now we get shit like this...

>>10158857
NTA but I don't think the point of Remix is period accuracy. It sounds like you're having a bad day.

>>10158857
>>Marth when FE was basically unheard of in the west
Marth is the most realistic one here, he was planned for Smash 64 and made it to Melee before FE released in the West

>>10152467
Smash Bros was my intro to the N64 and at the time I only really knew Mario, Luigi, Pikachu, and Jigglypuff. The rest got me curious to know what their respective games were like

I had no fucking idea who Ness was, but that only made it all the more interesting.

Captain Falcon and Samus weren't even necessarily A-tier Nintendo characters at the time. This game did a lot to put them on the map
I remember knowing Samus as "the robot from that one Gameboy game".

>>10158857
Do your own hack then, you goddamn autist.

>>10158857
>Mewtwo, despite being hidden endgame legendary
Mewtwo, like every Pokemon in Smash, was supposed to be included in Smash as early as 64 in promotion to whatever anime directors were doing with the Pokemon anime and movies.

They never, not once, took the consideration of whatever status of every gift or legendary mon that was obtainable in the game.
If you haven't drilled this in your brain, you're a blathering idiot.

>>10158886
Yeah, not sure why would anyone think the faggot shoehorning new FE characters since Melee and Brawl in would miss the very opportunity to push his favorite Japanese gane to the west?

>>10158734
Only because if retarded Nintendo of America. NoJ knows better and that's why they never liked Banjo. it's a bad game with bad characters.

>>10158857
Why does it have to be period accurate you ornery spastic?

>>10152467
It was a great roster for a concept that was pretty unique. I just wish it had more game modes since it was pretty barebones.
>t. 9 year old me's hype was off the charts when I found out my local blockbuster had a copy available for rent the day I got out of school

>>10154665
>he doesn't know about the Pokemon expanded universe

>>10159079
Yep, thats why NoJ put Banjo in a Mario game alongside Pokemon and Zelda for a title exclusive to Japan. They sure do hate him.

>>10152467
>Was Earthbound big enough to warrant a spot?
lol I swear every kid thought he was a fucking personified nintendo like neptunia or some shit. I didn't know a single fucking kid that played earthbound. even captain falcon was a bit less main stream like most kids would tell you the correct answer, but it wasn't like dkc or starfox level known.

>>10159112
I remember my friend telling me Falcon was Samus's brother and that it was revealed in an official comic.

Just like my other friend who said his dad saw in a video store a StarFox movie using the snes version puppets.

Also just like my other friend who told me Morrowind had a secret multiplayer mode that an NPC mentions.

>>10158857
>Mewtwo, despite being hidden endgame legendary
Meanwhile, every weekday morning before school:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4GIyJxvk94

>>10159112
I remember when Earthbound came out. It was the biggest meh, I had ever seen. The japanophiles that worked in EB games said it was lame. They were were pushing jrpgs and they took the L on that one. Meanwhile the PC nerds were talking about Jagged Alliance and Elder Scrolls. You could see why no one would fanboy for Earthbound in 94 if you just put the game up against any of the RPGs J or otherwise in 94. Would you drop $60 for Earthbound 94?

People that talk about Earthbound today do it because of a fan made game, made 25years after.

>>10152467
legit thought he was the kid from paperboy when i first heard about him.

>>10152837
it'd probably be alot better than sony's "me too" attempt with playstation all stars. seriously how the fuck was nintendo able to get snake & cloud while sony couldn't?

>>10159183
>Would you drop $60 for Earthbound 94?
Try $6.

>>10159197
Dang, six bucks before the game is even out in the states? What a steal!

>>10157937
I'm not talking about what's released on the stupid N64, you imbecile.
Do you think the devs had rareshit and midway fighters in mind when making Smash and prototyping Dragon King?

>>10157940
>>10158734
He was tied to the "random fire emblem character" poll option in the Melee poll, lol.
He wasn't that big back then either, people wanted Janes Bond cuz "cool fps character everyone knows about"

I'll never understand why the decided to add Jigglypuff, out of all Pokemon.

>>10159259
Melee came out when?

>>10159327
2001, started development in 1999.

>>10159262
You actually know, just ignorant to accept it.

>>10159327
2001 but the poll was a "if we make the next Smash" polling, which did influence who got into future games.

>>10159525
You should look up what ignorant means.

>>10159530
You should look up who's making the games first, retard.

>>10159537
I'm not the guy you were talking to, just thought your comment was accidentally ironic. Look up what words mean before using them

>>10159262
I'm gonna tell you something scary to western pokemon anime watchers.
If not Jigglypuff, and had things gone differently with the anime and Yellow's development, pic related was probably the next big "last minute" option.

>>10159080
Not him but are you fucking retarded? Are you seriously asking this? You don't see how wrong this roster is?

>>10159570
I'm not talking to anybody else but you. Stop being a little bitch over a fucking joke.

>>10159582
You're the joke for using words you don't know. Practice parsing parlance and you won't mistake one anon for another.

>>10159578
>literally telling romhackers what to do with their own fanfic
they have the source code in the open and you're sitting there doing nothing.
you could be making the Super Gold 97 and Zelda 64 of Smash 64 right now, and you choose to seethe on 4chan.

>b-bu-but why aren't you doing it?
because im not interested in period accuracy autism like you lot. id be making a backport of Fierce Deity Link and a mod of Heavy in Smash 64 if i knew how to use Blender or Maya.

>>10158857
>THanks for showing your underage you little nigger.
I like how the people who always try to prove their age (mid 30's-early 40's) always go out of their way to look as childish as possible with their posting habits.

>>10159603
>You're the joke for using words you don't know.
>"I'll never understand why the (ESL btw) decided to add Jigglypuff, out of all Pokemon." <- educated, aware, and very acknowledged anon.

>>10159605
> a mod of Heavy in Smash 64
I'd download it.

>>10158857
Lol you act like fucking Pokemon was an MMO where getting to endgame took months when in reality you could blow through its content in a week. Everyone at my school when I was in 4th grade in 1998 knew what Mewtwo was within a week after the games came out. Word out of mouth spreads fast at the school yard and because Nintendo/4kids PR of the show was basically an overnight explosion in terms of how quickly kids gravitated towards it.
>t. wanted Pokemon R/B at Toys R Us day it came out and Mom relented but it was completely sold out at the local Toys R Us.
>There is so much wrong here that I'm beginning to suspect this is a troll image.
I really want to learn how to mod these emulated games just so I can add Master Chief and Bayonetta just to piss low functioning autistics like you off.

>>10159262
Jigglypuff was giga popular in Japan. It's why there was a Jigglypuff side character that was in so many episodes. Oh and it was easy to add into the game since all they had to do was make slight alterations to Kirby's model.

If your Smash 64 dream roster
>isn't made under the mindset of an echo chamber of out of touch japs
>includes western and rare ips
>includes any games before the project plan ended (October 1996)
>any super niche characters
>any Sony and Sega characters
>has a game on a rival platform
>doesn't have Waluigi
>has GENO
>Smelee/Brarf/UltiSHIT veterans
It's shit. Do everyone a favor and take a up to the guillotine, go fuck yourselves!

>>10159661
oh no, little mac bros....

>>10159621
Not that anon and ppl can do whatever the fuck they feel like wasting their time on, but the devs of this clearly want to advertise their version as an "ultimate 64 roster" with additions like Marina, Conker and Goemon and i think they even said they added Lucas to represent the ,at the time, development of Mother 3. Stuff like Sonic, Dark Samus and persona definitely go against that vision so i get why people see it as this weird middle ground with no focused direction.

>>10159618
>"I'll never understand why the anon suddenly started using more advanced language and made fun of me for using a word incorrectly"
Think real hard.

>>10159676
It didn't start out as a "N64 celebration" thing, it was originally just an all-in-one collection thing for a bunch of different hacks people were working on.

Later on it became more N64 focused, probably because of so many people commenting that that's the sort of content they wanted to see in the hack.

The persona stage and Dark Samus were from real early on. Sonic came a little later, but that's the last character that would be out of place. Stages are still kind of all over the place, though. But maybe the weird stage picks are also just grandfathered in from earlier in the project.

>>10159661
Cloudsisters...

>>10159735
>all this autism because she couldn't take a joke
lmao

>>10159829
The irony is palpable.

>>10159853
You should look up what irony means.

>>10159676
>the devs of this clearly want to advertise their version as an "ultimate 64 roster"
>the Ultimate zoomer has never heard of Project M and 19XX

>>10159881
News flash: most rosterfags don't play or involve themselves, with the game they nitpick about.
Even if it's by some randos on the internet.

Ness was a weak choice but not the worst. Any main Fire Emblem character would have been much better. What really ticks me off is Jigglypuff. Kirby is already a dumb blob for babies, we didn't need two of them. At least Pikachu is this acrobatic lightning mouse.

I didn't know who Samus or Captain Falcon were but looking back I like them and wish we got a Metroid 64. Maybe if a good Mother game came out in N64 I'd feel different but afaik it was cancelled or never made it to America or became Earthbound 3 or something.

>>10159903
>We're not adding Wavedashing
>Newest update lets you toggle on a glitch as a similar mechanic

>>10157489
I mean, it doesn't have to be him. The whole companies was on board. Nintendo. Game Freak. HAL. Ape/Creatures.
Ness was pretty much a shoo in.

If you could add one more character and mode into Smash 64, what would it be?
Go ham if you want.
>Heracles from Glory of Heracles
>"roguelike" Classic Mode (opposed to a set roadmap, like something close to Smash 3DS Classic Mode)

>>10159878
Care to explain? You seem bugged.

>>10160015
Sure, though it still makes sense if the guy that helped bring the character to market would suggest it during the initial game proposal.

>>10159878
Non sequitur. Take your own advice.
>Stop being a little bitch over a fucking joke.

>>10159103
NTA, so (because this sounds cool), what game?

>>10152838
What is it with that artist's obsession about cucking Luigi?

>>10152732
I was 19.

>>10160771
Luigi looks like someone you easily break up with and turn them into a chastity cuck.

>>10160168
I'm not the guy you were talking to, just thought your comment was accidentally ironic. Look up what words mean before using them.

>>10159262
Name one G1 Pokemon that would have made it into Smash at the same time frame as Jigglypuff?

>>10160918
mew(to)?

>>10160920
Literally got cut for lack of time.
NEXT

>>10160059
>Little Mac
>Boss Rush mode against a few Nintendo villains

>>10152530
I like Smash Remix because Wario is Land based, not Ware based.

>>10152481
yeah but he was also a secret character so it's not a bad choice for that purpose

>>10160767
One of the Mario Artist titles on the 64DD featured a bunch of usable artwork from Mario, OoT, Banjo, Pokemon and i think Diddy Kong racing.

>>10160059
Are you going off on being a 64 mod or a what-if remake of 64 back in the day? Cause i dont think Nintendo owned the Glory of Heracles series at that point yet.

>>10152485
I heard it was going to be Meowth at one point

>>10161810
It was Mewtwo. "Meowth" came from someone making a typo a long, long time ago.

>>10155663
for god's sake dude, we knew all these characters' names

>>10159578

It's supposed to be a hack that adds cool characters the hackers want to see there, not one that adds characters the hackers believe Nintendo would have put in if the right resources had been available. There's nothing "wrong" about it. You're attaching a message to it that isn't there.

Things are fine except it doesn't make much sense to be fighting the Pokemon while they're also using Pokeballs. It would have been neat to actually fight Ash, Misty or Red directly.

>>10152481
>thinking the game with US audience in mind, when Mother and Mother 2 were extremely popular in Japan.

>>10152467
Alright. Never understood why they had chosen the faggy boring Jigglypuff instead of any other cooler Pokemon. It and Ness felt more difficult to play/to win.
I have never understood why they have made Mario (and Luigi) such boring characters to play. Not bad but not that fun either in movement and boring and weak special attacks. They should have given him the stomping attack just as Yoshi or Kirby have it, I mean it was even there in the games.

>>10155608
>ACTUALLY PLAYED DIFFERENT LEVELS WITH ITEMS TURNED ON.
Same, I never understood why almost everyone else prefers playing without items, they make it much more fun.

>>10152702
They put a Rare/Nintendo era icon in there. Donkey Kong.

>>10162260
>I never understood why almost everyone else prefers playing without items,
Unlike every game before Brawl, they made items overpowered bullshit on top of crappy physics, making everything feel like a slog.
Also, they nerfed Pokeball battles after Melee.

>>10161810
You literally heard it from the Internet.
I fucking hate Meowthfags.

>>10161836
>"Meowth" came from someone making a typo a long, long time ago.
Honestly, that would make fucking sense and explain all the fake news it caused for decades.
>early 2000s
>Some forum dipshit on Smashboards or Nsider stumble upon the old japanese poll webpage for Melee pre-production.
>No translation exists, so ESLs had to translate everything
>That one footnote talking about cut characters and "merging" Ganon votes
>translator tried to translate the cut characters and misspelled Mewtwo
>Mistook it as Meowth
>post it online
>journos and other users take the translation as word of god
>Americans were so convinced they were adding another route 1 shitmon into Smash

>>10162426
>ESLs
*EOPs

>>10161674
Im going ham, Data East own the IP at the time.

>>10153521
Look up who's making the game realize how retarded you sound.

>>10161282
They still butchered his moveset a generic Mario one.
That's what happens when you listen to "respect the date" faggots.