/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
A SERIOUS CASE OF /vr/
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9611263/#9611406

=== FINISH LINE ===
FORE/VR/ ALONE (Submissions closed)
Link to BETA3: https://files.catbox.moe/u9smv4.zip

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9941667/#q9941720

=== NEVER EVER ===
94 Protons Of /vr/ Weapons Demo >>10144443

=== NEWS ===
[8-10] Quake II Kex-based remaster released
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2320/view/3644027577415996831

[8-10] Quake II 25th Aniversary Collaborative Unit - v1.0 released
https://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/Quake225ACU.zip

[8-10] Q-Type DM (Q1 Themed DM Pack for Doom 2)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/139030

[8-10] Deathmatch Dimension added to officially curated Q1 mods
https://mods.silver.quakeapi.com/dmd.pak

[8-10] BTSX E3 demo released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104557

[8-10] Titan 1.0 released (Doom 2016 weapons)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXjNuFytqYI

[8-09] Tribute Quilt released
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/Ports/s-u/tributequilt

[8-08] The Rotting Jam for Quake is out
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/rotting-jam.254/

[8-08] Doom RL Arsenal Extended 1.1 released, with new classes and unlockables.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1243536#p1243536

[8-02] Peril, Quake mod based on Arcane Dimensions, releases after 3 years in development
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/peril3-0.253/

[8-02] DBP60: Eldritch Voyage is out now
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3301/eldritch-voyage

[7-31] Rise of the Triad: Ludicrous Edition released
https://youtu.be/3A8X2tqQuGY

[7-22] Voxel Doom II release trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQK8m41daAk

[7-20] Episode 2 demo of Doom Refired out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/128420


=== PREVIOUS ===
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TRES PAS SER

I'm loving the Quake 2 remaster, guys.
Having the Strogg being a real threat and doing actual damage is all I ever wanted, plus maybe muzzle flash and they gave us that too.

>>10148671
I'm hoping it'll lead to a resurgence in Quake 2 mapping and modding. We barely got anything in the past decade compared to the other games

This guy went from a joke to an Ogre/Fiend on crack.

>>10148681
Same with the Gunner, the grenade spam is tough to deal with now.

>C0DA MAKES IT CANON
w-wrong game anon...

>Half-Life
more like Full-Dead lmao

>>10148681
I love how much infighting they cause and partake in. Normally you couldn't just beef up an enemy that much without seriously fucking up encounter balance, but making them prone to infighting and good at it to boot really evens it out.

>>10148696
With Bethesda owning id and Crosoft owning both? I wonder if id still has control over their ips?

>>10148704
>infighting
It's funny to me how the justification for the Strogg infighting compared to demons from hell or nightmarish lovecraftian horrors is that they're incredibly short-tempered

>>10148681
how long until people start abusing the knockback from this?

>>10148681
all they need is a proper sound now and a reskin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VnFPitR9l0

>>10148660
oh yeah, for next thread: there's a Perfect Dark source port (but the guy nuked his own posts?)
https://github.com/fgsfdsfgs/perfect_dark
discussed here I guess? >>10145524

>>10148660
cannot forget this one anon's waifu map >>10143090

>>10148729
>there's a Perfect Dark source port
nice i never played this game
>but the guy nuked his own posts?
weird

>>10148728
The Strogg in 4 always looked so generic to me

>>10148752
someone post that album full of Ritual's wacky concepts, I know one of you Q2 fags has it

>>10148763
>massive black

>>10148763
(oh wait, it's in the filename)
https://imgur.com/a/gQUnZ

>>10148820

I used to laugh as these guys because they were the most pathetic enemies in Quake 2. I don't anymore.

>>10148848
>getting pinballed around by berserkers and brains together
i want to get off mr carmack's wild ride

Do they turn you to stone now?

>>10148832

>>10148862
kek

>>10148832

>>10148848
>The Chad Wall-E

Linuxbros how are we playing the new Quake II?

>>10148879
Works perfectly through Proton. I'm a bit annoyed that Kaiser doesn't put out native builds for his KEX ports, but whatever.

>>10148884
yamagi wants to know at his github about making a port for it as long it is compatible with the old stuff

>>10148884
>annoyed that I'll have to do it the inconvenient way because I support GOG and there is still no Lutris script
>remember that I already have Quake II on Steam for more than a decade

>>10148660
>>10148732
I don't know why this anon has been drawing attention to mine specifically, but I want to add that there were two updated maps from other contributors earlier in that thread.
>>10134259
>>10137760

how tf do you use doom builder with map that has really complex geometry? first person gets laggy as fuck

>>10148912
>first person gets laggy as fuck
One way is to decrease render distance in the settings (can't recall offhand where that setting is right nyaow.) Otherwise, you'll prolly just need a hardier GPU.

I feel like the Doomwiki page for Fore/vr/ Alone is a bit premature tbqh fampai.

>>10148786 #
>3 rail shots to kill
>Hard and Nightmare

>2 shots to kill in original Hard+

>>10148681
[Cha cha slides in your path]

>>10148930
Is the credits up to date?
I think even the credits readme image is missing some names since some ports by the project lead even listed some authors

>>10148969
Yeah... that's complete shit. I can forgive the awful outdoor lighting and Berserkers being annoying now, but you can't just nerf one of the coolest guns in the game like that.

Turok 3 remaster confirmed by Kaiser
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1689821407251705856

>>10148671
Muzzle flash is a big one. There were already means of playing with improved Strogg AI (playing maps through the expansions and mods) but it was esoteric for people getting into it.
>>10148752
They seem dumber. Basic guards don’t even have chest armor anymore. The gladiator is fine but I think that was adapted from some fan model. They really started to lose their identity in the concepts here >>10148791

>>10148984
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO

>>10148930
is this the latest author list?
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10033574/#10037747

>>10148984
I came.

>>10148993
that is the hardest cover art ive ever seen

PS Q2 maps were finished but not in time to be added. Will be released in some form at some point.

>>10149046
>a fucking leaf

>>10148993
Thanks anon, not every day you find new music through /vr/

>>10149037
>>10149069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUThmHKG3c8

Is it me or did they get rid of the Carmack's head room in the Palace? Or maybe I forgot where to find it, it's been a while.

>>10149046
where is that?
also is possible to ask them about Zaero, Oblivion and such?
or the cinematic models as modder's resource?

>>10149046
Ask them to return the railgun to its proper power.
I love this remaster, but that's a disrespect that needs addressing.

>>10149078
It's there, map city3, behind the red brick wall. It is probably the most obtuse secret in the game though, which is part of the reason I've loved it since I was a kid.

>>10148848
The Beta-class were no joke. They really took advice from them.
Also, when I was a kid (or at least near my teenager years) I always wanted to make a remake of Q2 with the Q4 engine and these guys would be haning on the roof of the maps and they'd use their tendrils to catch unaware marines

While on the subject, is that a Ferrari F355?

>>10149084
>Zaero, Oblivion
They don't have the rights to do that sadly.

>>10149094
How do you get in there again? I blew open the wall and got red armor and nothing else.

Why people have problem with the berserks now?
I have no problem with them, they're more fun to fight now

>>10149106
Those 2 are freeware

>>10149106
I thought Zaero was open sourced at one point.

>>10149109
There's a tiny rock sticking out by the toxic pool you have to press. It'll open a passage under the slime leading to Carmack's room

>>10148975
>>10149021
I know the MIDI for Robutt was sourced, but was left blank on the page. Also once my buddy finishes helping me with my map, credits will need updated to include him.
I guess it's no big deal since anons can contribute to the page, but I wanted to at least draw some attention to it.

>>10149084
He said there won't be any add-ons like the other releases because every mod has to be rebuilt to work with Remaster and it's just too much work and QA testing etc etc

>>10148984
Noice

how are you supposed to get onto the ship on map13 in fore/vr/ alone?

>>10149123
and the cinematic models as resource? the lack of remastered adrianator and strogg ships ingame unlike the cinematics is meh

also it would help a lot with the community remaking those into remastered and even having the assets for the cinematics

I feel ashamed to say that I forgot the locations of some of the secrets

>>10149119
Also just noticed the Eto map isn't properly credited, prolly since the author added his name later. I dunno if the text file included with the current beta is 100% accurate, but it's certainly more authoritative than any post in these threads, to my awareness.

>>10149119
You're the lead?
Just wondering because i think you're the only one whose map isn't there
I was going to say the goblin chick one but it's not represented in that artwork with the characters

>>10149116
>>10149117
That's not how that works in cases like this. They need to at the very least make sure that there's no copyright infringement and contact original creators of mods to get a greenlight from them.
Also >>10149123.

>>10149140
>You're the lead?
Nah, I'm the Madokafag. The lead's map not being finished is the main reason I mentioned the prematurity to begin with.

>>10149131
the archie is there for a reason

>>10149165
you could also... just tell me?

>>10149172
Are you, perhaps, an idiot? Can you not deduce that you need to archvile jump?

>>10149172

>>10149180
My bad, I read "archie" as "archive"

>>10149145
And what of the asssets? the community can sort this out, also it is obvious that Q2R may had brought the dead back to life

>>10148984
Ah, so this is one of those unannounced projects... Is the other project going to be Rage Wars?

>>10148971
real smooth

>>10149103
Looks like a Testarossa
Carmack had a red one, Romero had a yellow one

>>10149234
it's literally the same picture

>>10149245
...yes?

>>10149247
i was confused by your phrasing

The N64 version seems a lot tougher than the main campaign, but in all fairness part of it comes from not knowing where the secrets are and the enhanced AI being very aggressive.
>>10149112
They aren't too damaging alone, but they'll throw you into a death pit at least once or twice now.

>>10149247
This is Romero's

Turok 3 is trash. Is one of the worst of the bunch.

>>10149257
lol it looks like a fancy lawnmower on that pic

>>10149259
it's more Turok for me doe.
i kinda like all of them even if 1 & 2 are goat in their own respect...

>>10148971
>zerkers being as cheeky as they were in the M64 mod
It’s amazing how realize this is, fucking a
>>10149265
Maybe I’ll finish the 2nd one finally. I wasn’t able to fully appreciate and enjoy the first without a few mods and 2 was dragging on.

>>10149270
*realized this is, fucking a.
Sorry too excited

>>10149259
It's the best Turok what are you talking about

>>10149270
>2 was dragging on
i have to admit, and the mantids hive is kinda weak and disorienting level

>>10149046
>Paril
I wish that he'd dump his updated Lazarus sourcecode that promised an on-the-fly monster modding before PlanetQuake got its plug pulled by IGN...
>>10148969
>>10148983
The only way this gayness can be ameliorated if the Railgun attack gets reclassified as an energy weapon, so that it ignores armour values for damage calculations (if only because I love using it against the Brains and Daedalus monsters who come with a power shield).

Transformers doom when? I want to run over some enemies as optimus prime

>>10148660
Holy fuck you guys, Id just published the source code for the Quake 2 remaster:
https://www.neowin.net/news/id-publishes-quake-ii-2023-source-code-on-github/

Prolly doesn't seem like much, but maybe this could mean Id might finally post mod tools for Doom 2016/Eternal? I mean, this happened despite Id being owned by Bethesda, which has been notoriously bitchy about releasing mod tools for anything not Bethesda thanks to Zenimax. Correct me if I'm wrong but if not, this is huge.If Real™.

Turok 1 is Doom
Turok 2 is Goldeneye
Turok 3 is Half Life

>>10149331
>Prolly doesn't seem like much
you're right, it doesnt. at least this might make YamagiQ2 adding in remaster support easier.

>>10149093
What? How does quake 3 have that many lines of code? What does it have that q2 doesnt?

>>10149353
Bots

For the last time, there is no good fps sequel.

One thing that kinda irks me about the Quake 1/2 remasters, as good as they are, is that there's no option of an "own frag" announcement on your hud. I've gotten used to not having "You Killed X" show up when I kill someone in the remasters, as opposed to whatever source port I used for MP Quake 1/2 in the past, but it's still kind of annoying to have to look in the upper left corner to see if you made a kill or if someone else stole your kill. It's a touch easier in Quake 2 with the hitmarkers, but still kind of annoying.

>>10149374
Good thing Quake II is not a sequel then, it's actually Wor and a Quake game in name only

>>10149374
>>10149393
Fuck back to /v/ Alfweather.

>>10149374
Hexen II
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil
System Shock 2
Delta Force 2
Quake II
Quake III Arena
Aliens versus Predator 2
Serious Sam: The Second Encounter
Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix

>>10149374
Nobody asked now and nobody will ask the next time you will post this.

https://youtu.be/J9FImc2LOr8

>>10149352
>>10149331
i could see some modders re-using new AI

I recently updated some of my old Blood maps if anyone is interested. For Best Results™ these maps should be played in the DOS version of Blood as that is what they were designed/tested in. Pic not related.

https://files.catbox.moe/fafx2n.zip

>>10149459
How many cultists are in there and how much tesla ammo?

>>10149464
Cultist placement is moderate and Tesla ammo is 0 because this is a Napalm Launcher neighborhood.

Did they say why they didn't do a horde mode this time around? Seems like it would be an obvious thing to pad out the features, and it was pretty fun in Quake 1.

>>10149476
Horde was not on Q1R on release. Who knows what they might add. They said that there won't be curated mods, but that doesn't stop them from adding stuff.

>>10148658
Are there any Nintendo wads/mods? Preferably Zelda themed.

>>10149496
https://www.moddb.com/mods/legend-of-doom

>>10149203
>And what of the asssets? the community can sort this out
That's obvious, yeah. I'm not all that familiar with Quake 2, but you would still need to deal with getting a proper approval from original creators of mods. id/Bethesda (whoever deals with Add-ons on DOOMs and Quake) can't just take any episode they want and put it on their platform. There's a reason each new release there is accompained by an interview.
I might totally imagine things, but I believe that people behind Zaero, Oblivion and such were all MIA from the Internet? Besides, from the aforementioned official explanation for the lack of Add-ons suggests that they simply don't want to bother with including curated stuff for Quake 2 as it requires too much work in comparsion to other re-releases.

>>10149459
Works perfectly with NotBlood. Good stuff.

>>10149331
>but maybe this could mean Id might finally post mod tools for Doom 2016/Eternal?
You might want to think more cynically: If they release “mod tools” for a new Doom they would use it to help sell the newest one at full price. I also don’t know how much of the “new Doom community” is even interested in the idea.

>>10149280
The best one is Rage Wars.
Here's hoping for a remaster with a C/S networking on PC.

>>10149508
I don't know about oblivion but lots of people that worked on zaero are still in the game industry.

>>10149496
Look into Metroid Dreadnaught, and Space Hunter if you want Metroid, Combined_Arms has an extensive Zelda weapon set.
Don't bother with Legend of Doom, it's dogshit.

GOOD AFTERNOON MOTHERFUCKERS. IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN: SCREENSHOT SATURDAY!! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? Maps, mods, sprites? Now's a good time to post that shit!

Poor fella.

>>10149508
if they could release the models of the cinematics as modding resources it would be great.

Also Zaero isn't MIA, Zaero was curated and released by Dumptruck_ds the creator of trenchbroom and former lead dev of team evolve, He worked on that And the Red Odyssey MP for battlezone.

>>10149512
Thanks bro. Glad you like it.

>>10149550
Mime gag got a chuckle out of me, good flow and use of respawning enemies.

>>10149331
it's not the engine source code

>>10149518
If they don't include Rage Wars as the multiplayer component I'll be a little bit sad because it'll be hard to justify it as a single package

>>10149476
Hopefully it will some post release support like the PS1 levels, horde mode and Zaero.

what are we having?

>>10149603
I like coke more because it burns more

Violent Rumble anon, could you fix statue Death Knights using Knight pain sounds? Unless you consider that to be a feature.

>>10149547
>Disintegrator
Is the N64 invisibility powerup also included?

>>10149603

>>10149603
can i get a fuckin uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mancubus meal with a fireblu pie and large caco cola

>>10149391
Please confirm if the obscure "hand grenade super-suicide" bug is still preserved in the remaster due to nobody being autistic enough to know about it.

>>10149459
Nice. Just finished the first map on well done with a controller and got absolutely rekt.

>>10149547
He got disintegrated desu

>>10149543
Tried my hand at creating a waterfall texture using doom's palette for some potential maps. While it's kinda redundant with what's available these days, I wanted to give making some textures a go. Needs a bit more alteration to hopefully blend it in better with the default textures.

>>10148930
>Check page history
>It was made by the same moron who posted HFFM to doomworld when it was still in beta
This nigga has a premature ejaculation problem

>>10149620
There was one in the first level of the included Quake 2 64 campaign. I played a few levels but didn't find any more after that. I wasn't looking super hard though.

>>10149603
If it was Quake I'd ask for a Mellow Yellow Armor, but a Caco-Cola will suffice.

>>10149661
Most likely doing it intentionally to make the project look bad to annoy those who work on the project.

>>10149623
Directives:
1.Quench the public thirst.
2.Refresh the innocent
3.Uphold the stock.

>>10149603
this>>10149625

>>10149663
Dr. Enforcer

>>10149673
>Dr. Enforcer
>not Dr. Pentagram
AY YO, THIS NIGGA MOMMA BUY GENERIC

>>10149603
I'll have a Dr Gib

>>10149603
I'll take one ice cold Cock please.

>>10149687
>the boys
>me
>a cold one

That new machine campaign is pretty damn hard, turns out when you throw a shitload of enemies into the fray at once it starts feeling more like Doom with how frantic you are trying to move around and dodge projectiles and avoid enemies.

Berzerkers are definitely the big winners in the enemy behavior upgrade, The nightmare fuel Mutants that I used to be afraid of feel like quant little puppies that just chase blindly after you and leap once in awhile. Though there are some set pieces that use them pretty well.

>>10149701
What the shit is that Iron Maiden skin?

>>10149701
>pic
clean your room your aunt is coming for diner

>>10148305
>i want to be murdered like in HD
>but i want to never cease murdering unlike in HD
Have you tried using a Vulcanette? Nothing comes close to deleting entire rooms on your own like a portable rotary hand cannon shooting as fast as an MG42.

will someone port QC weapon models into md5 now?
https://knockout.chat/thread/9182

>>10149712
It's a skin for an edited Purgatori player model. I dunno exactly where it might be found these days

>>10149718
Viscera Cleanup Detail working 24/7 behind the scenes.

>>10149523
>>10149548
>lots of people that worked on zaero are still in the game industry.
>Also Zaero isn't MIA
Okay, I must've been mistaken then. At least there's something to start of off. Then again, there would be no proper Add-ons for them and I highly doubt they would bother with putting in those mods within "official selection".
Like, even PlayStation campaign's fate (>>10149046) is up in the air since whoever worked on that seemingly did that as their personal project.
>release the models of the cinematics as modding resources
They might be able to, I suppose. Even though I'm honestly not sure how you would even utilize these... Did anyone made custom cinematics for Quake 2? Not machinimas, mind you: full-on cinematics.

>>10149701
im on Security Annex rn, this feels really slaughter in a good way with all the guards you can turn into mince meat. desu this could be the best thing the old-school shooter revival brought and it absolutely redeems Quake 2 for me. im even leaning towards it being better than Ground Zero. sooooooo fun.

>>10149753
The guy who made the remake intro at Youtube was hired to work at Nightdive, he made all of that stuff and id also still had the original assets which they updated.
it is on the quakecon vod, they really loved the remake intro.

though i still wish they updated the skyboxes to be animated

>>10148984
I mean, yeah cool, I get to complete the trilogy! But Turok 3 was kinda boring as piss even in its attempts to mix 1&2 with something more narrative/setpiece-driven like Half-Life or the like. I dunno if I'm inherently happy about it, but might as well finish the work, right?

>>10149758
>redeems
zoom zoom

>>10149768
Shut up, dweebenheimer.

>>10149761
I don't plan on playing this since I did not like Turok 2 (the first one was cool however) but it's nice that they're doing things like this. Now I want the RTCW console content officially ported.

>>10149603
I'd rather lick the dust behind them

>>10149553
Good to hear that everything is working as intended lol.

>>10149650
Yeah, I tend to get trashed pretty bad in that map on that difficulty too if I dont use ALL of the hidden life seeds. Nice to know I'm not the only one to play it with a controller too.

>>10149573
Well, Turok 3 got it's own multiplayer too, which is fun... or would be if not for the game struggling to run on the console.
Think about it this way, they can make a short SP component themselves with the guns and characters of the Rage Wars. Perhaps, using some ideas from GBC version?

>>10149821
nta but they probably will merge rage wars elements in the multi if there is one

>>10149821
I just hope that Turok 3 doesn't omit multiplayer from the Switch version like Turok did.

>>10148984
Prime 4 dropped boys

>>10149830
Like Turok 2 did.

>>10149825
That would suck extremely hard, because it's entirely different game. Might as well merge Turok 1 and 2 then too, and release Turok 3 as an addon.
Honestly, even the bot campaign in Rage Wars is fun enough.
>>10149830
>>10149845
They just cutted it out? Damn, that's rough. Should've at least keep the splitscreen one then.

>>10149908
>That would suck extremely hard, because it's entirely different game
i never played Rage Wars, just assumed it was a tournament/arena version of 3

>>10149908
>They just cutted it out?
It was patched in eventually, but only online multiplayer. No splitscreen.

>>10149926
Nope, even more different than Unreal Championship 2 from Unreal Tournament 2004.
>>10149932
Well, that's something at least.

>>10149940
>Unreal Championship 2
wow
i completely forgot this existed

>>10149949
i remember it being pretty good for an Xbox game and aged way better visually than UT3. too bad that PC port didnt get fixed.

>>10149949
>>10149981
It was fucking great but it was a mix of third person shooting and melee, the fact it was never ported to PC is a damn shame.

>>10149986
the leak still exists but there are audio issues related to the xbox sound drivers, so pc gets no audio at all

I'm bored. Anyone wanna kart?

Playing Temporal Tantrum, on Map 30. I'm at the third or fourth arena with the three flying masterminds, and when you hit all switches they get crushed. However, nothing else happens. Is this a glitch? I'm using DSDA, mbf21 compat. I'm just stuck in this room unless there's something else I'm supposed to do.

what i wouldnt give to time travel to peak quakecon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhtpm3lgoCY

>>10150050
Please turn off texture filtering.

>>10150014
looks a lot emptier than I thought it would be
kinda comfy tho

>>10150054
WE'VE BEEN EXPOSED BOYS

>>10148332
Because >>10144509 wasn't me, also I ctrl+f'd "cloud" and "word cloud" and found nothing so I just assumed no one else had posted one.

>>10150057
It's the way ID intended it. Voodoo 3D accelerated special fx only cool expensive cards could do. Fuck off Minecraft pixel nigger

>>10150050
Kill shamblers. That's what I do.
Is my deadline for work tomorrow and I have nothing ready? I kill shamblers and the problem is solved.
Have I had my phone stolen? I kill shamblers and the problem is solved.
Is the police giving me a fine for speeding? I kill shamblers and the problem is solved.
Is it my son's birthday next week and I have no money to get him something good with? I get him some shamblers for us to kill them together.

>>10149986
>third person shooting
That's something I wouldn't mind seeing in the new port.
>>10150057
Let others filter and play how they want. I'll admit though that it's weird how often they high five each other in here.

>>10150050
The implications are welcome, but this map kinda sucked.

>>10150084
is there any way to zoom the player skin while choosing like the idvault stuff?

>>10148752
I like how the Berserk and Gladiator look in Q4

>>10150110
funnily though, you can mod them back in md5 and make a entire new map using it.

>>10150054
>re-release whatever
>play game q2 original
Based.

>>10148763
its kinda unfortunate that after SiN ritual's output was really medicore, they genuinely had a lot of ambition and creativity. even that blair witch game they did had a really unique setting (occult colonial america) and was radically different from the other two volumes (combat oriented with spells), but is let down by just having 90% of the enemies be just zombies. why not also port more monsters from Nocturne?

>>10148763
its unfortunate that after SiN ritual's output was medicore, they genuinely had a lot of ambition and creativity. even that blair witch game they did had a really unique setting (occult colonial america) and was radically different from the other two volumes (combat oriented with spells), but is let down by just having 90% of the enemies be just zombies. why not also port more monsters from Nocturne?

>>10150050

>there is only good game of this series (that i never played), the rest suck
Why are /v/tards like this?

>>10150150
>Why are /v/tards like this?
/v/tards dont play video games

>>10150109
I wish I knew but I haven't even checked the vault. Did we find a cvar for the damage direction indicators yet?
>>10150110
Those guys and the "squad strogg" are fine even if the amount of skin the berzerker has is silly. Gunners are okay but I found the original design to be perfect. The tanks are a huge downgrade.
I don't think I prefer any Q4 weapon or marine design over what's in Q2.

>>10150076

So it is possible to dodge the berserker shockwave? I'm seeing people trying to defend how silly this is by saying "But it does no damage" while ignoring the fact that it doesn't seem possible to dodge.

Talking about Stroggs, what do you guys think about the design of the strogg in Quake Wars and the strogg that appears in Quake Champions?

>>10150198
if anything, i would dig a strogg player skin or enemy like >pic

>>10150180
The same way you dodge the old parasite tongue or a hitscan attack

>>10150180
Haven't found out how to dodge but more how to trigger: Being at that right range and backing up. But damn wow I didn't realize how it hit for absolute baby damage even on hard+.

>>10150198
Soulless. Looks like that Sith from the TOR trailer.

>>10150180
I've been able to throw him far enough away with SSG knockback when he jumps from level ground and above.
If he's jumping from below (up stairs for instance) you're fucked.

>>10150198
the other strogg skins from that game look better from a quick google search.
way more stroggy

>>10150198
i think he voice is funny and i like it because it is funny :)
>AARRGH
haha space pirate cartoon villain man :)silly voice :)

>>10150229
Darth Malgus is Based.

Day 3 Railgun Status: STILL pointlessly nerfed into uselessness.

>>10150198
It feels like a ETQW skin
Isn't he supposedly one of the class from that game?

>>10150237
Yeah there was decent customisation. I had complete robot legs on my stroggo. Kinda like the metal leg dudes in Q2

>>10149353
NURBS

>>10150263
Its a Lost Art
Seriously

>>10150250
How is it unuseful? I still takes same amount of shots to kill all enemies that have less hp than tank.

>>10150198
Qw strogg are just humans with a bit of metal here and there

>>10150265
>>10148969

>>10150150
They are contrarianism in a human form. Wait 2 years when Q3R releases, and they will say that Q2 was the best Quake game and Quake 3 ruined their lifes and raped their moms.

>>10149543
21st map of muh megaWAD, I'm only making very slow progress currently, because it's hard for me to work on freeroaming maps with different paths and triggers + natural rock formations are a bitch to make. Maybe one day this will get released, but it's more likely I'll get run over by a truck.

>>10150237
That skin looks like a combination of a Tank and Enforcer

>>10150282
Enfortank

>>10150257
Yeah, the character is a class from QW I think. He has a skin which is a QW strogg class also

>>10150265
I'm gonna beat your ass after I'm done beating Nigdive's ass.

>>10150271
Well this is no good. All feedback should be directed to Nightdive, so they can fix it back. More feedback the better. Positive thing howerer is that, Yamagi will eventually implement the expansion/q64 compability, gz fixes and ai improvements, so we all eventually get the good stuff without the bad stuff, even if Nightdive doesn't fix it.

>>10150294
This. Plus it'll probably run better too.

>>10150292
I'm not your enemy, dude.

T. >>10150294

>>10150294
>>10150297
you are literally their PR guy you tell them holy fuck

>>10150274
I wanna hang out in that place
and also play through it
>>10150294
>Yamagi supporting expansions + custom maps
>Q2kex fixing support for things like based Sonic Mayhem
Compatibility race begins
would be could if KMQ2 did something because it has fun 3rd person support

>>10149615
Didn't realize that was happening. Putting the statues in was one of the first things I did, so I'm not surprised something's not right. I'll have a look.

>>10150214
i think you should be able to surf the damage in the direction you want if you approach their shockwave at the right angle/distance and jump at the right time
like how in tf2 if a soldier shoots a rocket at you from midrange and you time your jump just right relative to its angle you can fly toward him to close the distance, or escape some other direction
basically add more player agency to this concept so they don't always knock you into hazards with no recourse, and make zerkergroundpoundjumps a speedrun strat

>>10150302
You don't need to get this emotional over a discussion of game. Yes, I was wrong about railgun before watching the video. I do want you to give feedback to Nightdive, because more people wanting the railgun dmg restored back to normal will increase the change of it happening. Talking about it here is a good start, but it might not help, if Nightdive does not get the negative feedback.

>>10150318
i am not installing discord
drag them here
teach them how to read every archived thread since the 9th

>>10150214
>WEEEEEEEEEEE
This just looks so dumb and makes them feel weightless. If anything should lunge at you like that, it's the parasite.

Fairweather and his butt buddies are shitting the Q2R thread, and they are coping claiming that the Q1 community is "friendly" and open, which is a post quake one forums death lie.

>>10150304
They are working on that right now
https://github.com/yquake2/yquake2/pull/1040
https://github.com/yquake2/yquake2/issues/1039

it will take some time, also knightmare will look at that soon.

>>10150328
then neck yourself, you are nothing bug a gigafaggot scared of reaching the fucking devs about an issue, and crying for others to do your job.
stop being a lazy nigger and do that by yourself.

>>10150328
They are on Twitter, and I have no connections to Nightdive, neither do I have discord. If you don't want to do anything to change things better, why even complain? It's useless then.

>>10150338
my ideas will spread the more i shitpost and eventually reach their intended ears
such is the nature of causality

>>10150330
>they changed it so now it sucks
It doesn't work that way anon

Play Dukem Nukem 1 and 2

>>10150214
Some dude literally just asked the dev who made it if he could add a jump dodge and the dev said he'll add it to the patch notes meeting.

Personally if that add a dodge it should have a tight window. Then it's a skill dodge. Cus if you just have to jump at all then you make the leap useless.

>>10150401
I have. I love both of them. I actually think Duke 1 is a slightly better game, but the sheer variety and spectacle of Duke 2 is to be fucking marveled
Though I play Duke 2 on the Rigel Engine, I like the widescreen and faster framerate, it means I can shoot faster.

>>10150402
>make q2 even easier
lol
lmao

>>10150401
Of 2d games that feel like first person shooters, Abuse will always be the greatest, but I think I'm dangerously crossing the line to off-topic.

>>10150402
What does "jump dodge" mean, an invincibility frame/invuln button? I also hope someone over there is aware of the damage change and hitscan/grenade launcher origins from the player and if we can get their original behavior.

>>10150432
I mean jump in the air to avoid getting hit by berserkers new slam attack. There's no way of avoiding getting hit by it. A guy suggested jumping to avoid the slam.

>>10150076

>>10150180
Allegedly you can jump off the ground to evade it?

>>10150453
Shambie on his way to completely fuck up your 25 year old games lore

>>10150401
>in a week ND will announce trilogy special pack

>>10150431
At least it's board relevant and controls like a shooter.
>>10150450
That sounds fine. I was assuming the worst there. I agree with the window too, not like "suddenly floor is lava".

>>10150465
>>10150453
>>10150076
what's your favorite shambie model /vr/?
i like the new one but the OG is still the creepiest to me.
the one in AD is great too i guess

>>10150486
>choose shambler
We got the original, the upper'd original, the AD one, and the new one.

>>10150502
Hate the toes on the AD one, but I like it's warped take on their musculature.
Not a fan of the modeled teeth on the remaster.

>>10150502
what i like about the one from AD is his elephant like feet. it makes sense i guess. new shamblie's 3D teeth are a nice addition

>>10150512
kek total opposite of me

>>10150502
>filename
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM78Zc0kngs

>>10150514
>>10150512
I like the feet and really like the attention of detail to the soles
>>10150517
Wonderful so you can tell which one I like the least

>>10150502
I like the AD lack of neck, like its head is bulging out of the torso rather than a defined head and body looking like some hunchback.
Modelled teeth are cool, but any version but the blurry original are an improvement.

>>10150465
>Bethesda makes another Doom sequel
>Shamblers were behind the Dark Lord all along
>and also the Nazis

>>10150545
How deep could this possibly go?

>>10150526
>I like the feet and really like the attention of detail to the soles
desu
>>10150545
i almost spat out my coffee from my nose

Nazi Shamblers

shambler keen

>>10150545
Shamblers were already canon to Doom.
quit messages

>>10148660
Update for the Fore/vr/ Alone map "Hope for Tyranny" (it's in an edited version of an old beta; it's the MAP12 lumps, no texture changes; don't ask why): https://files.catbox.moe/xkfx2p.wad

Changelog:
>Various tweaks, bug fixes, and cleanup
>Big-ass fight added after grabbing the BFG

!! IMPORTANT !!
Credits changes:
>Authors: RancidSam & BiZ
>Music: "Sweet Dream" by Jim Andron; "Starless" by King Crimson

I still don't have a computer, but I watched BiZ playtest it and it should be kosher, unless some last-minute changes borked something.

>>10150502
>>10150486
Lego shambler

>>10150547
>A shambler is Commander Keens mom

>>10150564
God dammit I forgot to mention
>Implemented difficulties
Might not have multiplayer starts.

>>10150345
Does in this case.

>>10150545
>>10150550
Oh boy this is getting good

>calling strogg food "stroylent"
>instead of calling it "strogganoff"
Missed opportunity.

What do you think about Shambler's Castle for D3?
I think that they shouldn't have used the Painkiller music, but otherwise it would have been awesome to keep having more levels

>>10150284
TANK FORCE

>>10150564
I'll make a new beta with the patched maps later this week (probably when I'll have some free time on Monday)
If coop starts are missing I'll add them, it's not a big deal.

>>10150502

>>10150614
Are coop starts required? I can add some in my map if you want

>>10150582
Stroggdanoff
>>10150628
kek

just finished Call of the Machine. surprisingly it isnt as hard as Ground Zero despite the greater amount of high-tier enemies, but i found it consistently more enjoyable. great sense of pace, tons of carnage, some fun platforming and enough new sights to make up for quake 2's bland techbases. i really hope it results in a renaissance of custom maps.

>>10149037
I haven't thought about that album in a long time, or hip-hop in general.

>>10149687
>nothing beats it!

Ahhh, that was a good pop.

>>10150672
kool keith fuckin rules dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YendKUnV2is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqJDeaIQKi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh2yNTK619w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMCQsQzrw7w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUvh8fYGCA4

>>10150671
I'm still going through the Reckoning. Fun to finally play this with some more gameplay changes. GZ, N64, and Machine is the order I have planned after this.

>>10150651
Heh
>PAMP EET (full of lead)

>>10149543
Slow and steady.

>>10150054
>quake thing bad

>>10150054
>bullshit rocket fight

>>10150614
>If coop starts are missing I'll add them, it's not a big deal.
Tyvm.

>>10150684
hope you enjoy anon

>>10150681
Yeah First Come First Served was my shit but I think I got less impressed with the ego side of music in general which hip-hop is 99% about.

>>10150057
I literally can't

>>10150054
>re-release whatever rather sounds hope

i keep getting this crash on ND Quake when i try to launch SoA.
>tried verifying the files
>uninstalling
>deleting folder and reinstalling
it's not my main port so it's not like i absolutely need it but anyone got any ideas?

>>10150708
Aw yea its great
Cute motion blur but I'm probably going to turn it off for now, and still don't know how to turn off indicators

>>10150727
>ND Quake
?

>>10150729
only thing i turned off was the fog
>>10150731
NightDive

>>10150729
>and still don't know how to turn off indicators
Accessibility or gameplay options.

>>10150731
>>10150735
i realize i should've said KexQuake

>>10150743
>>10150735
https://youtu.be/GZEOb6p1yvU?t=2

>>10150753
in my timeline there was a shambler in that video

>>10150712
>I think I got less impressed with the ego side of music in general which hip-hop is 99% about
i think that its all in good fun and is part of why i like the genre. i think it was only until recently with the Drill scene that people started to use hip-hop as a vehicle to express actual hatred and desire for violence, with shit like Notti Boppin and Who I Smoke. that i dislike. even 90s hip-hop made by confessed gang members like like Bloods & Crips i can consider "unethical" in the same way i'd consider Pleasure Escape by John Duncan (don't look it up) to be unethical.

>>10150758
>I TURNED MYSELF INTO A SHAMBLER MORTY

>>10150762
Shamblick and Shorty

>>10150502
>>10150517
>"FIRED A SHOT OF THE LIGHTNING GUN WHILE IN A BODY OF WATERED!!!"
>"AAAHHH MY VARIOUS SHADES OF BROOOOOWN!!"

This room is hilarious in Dimension of the Machine. I've died five different times due to its trap nature.

>>10150761
No you misunderstand, I sorta got over that that's what most of the genre is. I think it's fucking amazing that you can talk about how great you are in billions of different combinations of rhymes and beats, but as far as I'm concerned I got what I needed out of the genre with Kool Keith, Atmosphere, EL-P, Freestyle Fellowship, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMeGlKuoSjQ
>Pleasure Escape by John Duncan
I forgot about that goddamn.

>>10150801
>No you misunderstand, I sorta got over that that's what most of the genre is. I think it's fucking amazing that you can talk about how great you are in billions of different combinations of rhymes and beats, but as far as I'm concerned I got what I needed out of the genre with Kool Keith, Atmosphere, EL-P, Freestyle Fellowship, etc.
thats cool. while i like El-P's production i havent listened to any Atmosphere and only know him because of the Tony Hawk's Underground 2. maybe i should change that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNkXgcKESdE

>>10150054
>doom probably based

I can't see jack shit here

>>10150818
But that's good. My q2r doesn't look like that. Settings?

>>10150820
Just one of the e3 demos

There are some neat maps ideas that didn't made it into the final game

>>10149117
The Zaero 1.1 source was published so you can convert it pretty trivially, it's fixing the maps that'll be shit. If you don't do anything any transparent objects will be at max brightness and very high opacity, which you can fix by running the latest version of ericw's light.exe on them, but that also makes them extremely bright a lot of the time. Ideally you need both map source and DLL source to properly convert any mod.

Still going through Dimension of the Machine, which is has honed my years long opinion that Quake's enemy roster is weak to I think really I just don't like shalraths. Quake's rhythm of gameplay is fun; dancing between death knight projectiles, dodging ogre grenades, running up to shamblers to do the tango only to realize some death knights were nearby so you gotta account for multiple partners is fun, but shalraths? They completely stop gameplay in unfun ways. I can't like them. They're boring to fight and feel like a chore to deal with. I think they should have been made into a floating cousin of the scrag and their projectile shouldn't have homing, then they'd be enjoyable to fight and enjoyable for the mapper to USE. I like fighting them in mods like Drake because I have weapons to decimate them or health not to give a fuck about their projectiles.

Other than that and the realm of the blacksmiths being really unchallenging, I think it's fantastic that official and unofficial content tries this hard to create fantastically realized dimensions and realms. P.S. I sincerely believe it was a missed opportunity that the Quake Remaster didn't officially incorporate Quoth monsters. In another life perhaps.

>>10150002
It's a glitch. Sometimes the boss death flag doesn't trigger properly with crushers. It can also happen on MAP23 of the same wad and in E1M8 of Double Impact. Just noclip through the wall that's meant to lower.

Love how disabling view bob in quake 2 doesn't freeze your weapon in place. I wish that was less common.

objectively worst classic fps games ever made in order worst to least worst

>quake 2
>dr. radiaki's whateverthefuck
>nerves of steel
>depth dwellers
>hexen
>hexen 2
>kingpin: life of crime
>unreal 2
>daikatana
>witchhaven
>blood 2

>>10150860
>I sincerely believe it was a missed opportunity that the Quake Remaster didn't officially incorporate Quoth monsters
They'd have to track down everyone who worked on them, get permission, and probably have to pay them.
The real bizarre thing about the new expansion was they they didn't use any of the mission pack enemies or weapons. It's not like they can't all be used at once (see: Violent Rumble), but I guess if they didn't even bother to update their models and textures then that was out of the question.

>>10150894
>Mission pack monsters
I forgot about the mission packs to be honest. You're right that should have been A1 priority. Just a shame, these could have been so much more. Also this map being an upside down hellish version of the previous one is disorienting in a very pleasing way. This is really cool.

>shalraths/vores
Great time when used right and a horrible time otherwise, especially on vanilla nightmare. I'm also fine with some mods changing or nerfing how their projectiles work which then gives designers an excuse to be more liberal in placing them.

what is the best helmet hud mod for doom by that i mean the one where your visor can get all fucked up

>>10150894
Quoth ain't AD. it's just 3 people, and the content isn't a mishmash of Hexen 2 and Daikatana. and they got Kell on board with curated Contract Revoked already.
though Quoth is some kinda 94 Protons type thing, they won't release the source code as they are still supposedly not finished working on it (previous release being 15 years ago). anything from Quoth that is in AD, Mjolnir or Violent Rumble is either from before Quoth, or a result of decompilation and reverse engineering.

>>10150912
>as they are still supposedly not finished working on it (previous release being 15 years ago)
The fuck.

>>10150890
Filtered.
Even the worst FPS games from the list (Nerves of Steel and Unreal 2) are merely mediocre.
Unless you want to defend some of the worse PITS3D and 3DGS games.

>>10150651
Who wins? The Stroggdanoff or the Macron?

>>10150054
>mvg faggot
Heh.

Odd that this remaster has no addon section at all. I personally think they should just add workshop already.

>>10150950
see >>10145849
mod menu and curated downloads are primarily for consoles, and console manufacturers are not gonna allow you to download and run arbitrary code.

>>10150950
>just add workshop already
Nah, the momentary convenience of Steam Workshop for Steam players isn't worth it. I'd hate to see another XCOM 2 situation where anyone who got the game from GOG or elsewhere is cucked out of most of the best mods because authors happened to converge on only bothering with Workshop.

Hah this ogre was just cooking some chili. These last realms really stepped it up.

>>10150980
ironically last realms were made by first timers iirc
sewers, bunkers and stroggs were by established vets

The Quake II remaster really just shows me how much I dislike Quake II's gameplay in general, even the major improvements in the remaster don't quite do it

Any mods that goes even further?

>>10150983
They've done an excellent job.
>stroggs
?

I feel the opposite. Not perfect, but I find it much more enjoyable than it once was. Music and compass help quite a bit though.

>>10150997
no that's how I feel, but the problems are still bad enough that it's kinda "eh" overall to me, maybe I should move down a difficulty bc I'm dying too much

>>10150993
>?
well, whatever map it was that used Q2 textures. had this giant cord hanging over a chasm and some kinda cyber contraption at the end.

https://files.catbox.moe/d09s6x.webm
That was pretty fucking fun for all the shit I said about shalraths. Goddammit.
>>10151001
This one? Didn't feel very stroggy. Or maybe I'm on it now and haven't reached the end yet.

>>10151015
yeah that one. I've only really played it the one time, maybe perception got skewed. I think it had the most prominent use of Q2 textures, anyway.

>>10149543
Parias got through 1/8th of act 1

Good shit. I wonder if there's some blueprint somewhere for what is implied by dopa and now dotm. "The oldest planet", the ship of prisoners from said planet, Shubby's room in dopa and a room in dotm that's somewhat modeled like shubby's room. Probably nothing at all, but neat to think about.
>>10151026
I didn't recognize any myself but I haven't played much Q2 of late.

>>10150054
>original thing better
>kill mods
>devs dumb

>>10149093

>>10149543
Experiment might be getting too wild

is gmdoom allowed

>>10151163
graf mall doom

>>10149543
This flash looks cooler in action than I thought (of course, that's because I didn't sprite it)
I still need to make an ammo indicator to make it really playable. Some huds use SBARINFO, some use ACS, some use zscript, so it's hard to tell what's a good example to work off of and what's a hacky mess

>>10151187
What IS this project anyway? I've been curious about this for a bit.

>>10151191
I'm porting 11 or so weapons from synthetik that can be pigeonholed into doom's weapon slots. I don't know how many mechanics to replicate to the letter but reload cancels are in since that's the inspiration for the whole thing, picrel
the elephant in the room is all guns technically being fast projectiles means things fire just under the cursor and it's easy to cuck yourself on 32 high walls and it's a little tiring to constantly look up to compensate

>>10150054
>/v/ kek
>>10150198
>the strogg that appears in Quake Champions?
His backstory with following Bitterman throughout Quake 2 and being dumb enough to not undestand what Makron meant by talking about runes and magic is rather curious.
>>10150545
>>10150547
>>10150550
Basically, all evil comes from furries.

>>10151220
I was wondering if it was Synthetik from the HUD face. I would say don't be shy to make a weapon a hitscan if it means better combat within Doom maps.

>>10151220
>things fire just under the cursor

You could solve this by putting Player.AttackZOffset 13 in your playerclass. But then all the projectiles come out of your face and not the gun.

>>10150314
It was an issue as far back as 1997 but I seem to be the only one to ever notice or be bothered by it.

>>10151220
>the elephant in the room is all guns technically being fast projectiles means things fire just under the cursor and it's easy to cuck yourself on 32 high walls and it's a little tiring to constantly look up to compensate

If you're not using ZScript, ignore this post. I don't do DECORATE so I don't care to find out if it's possible with it.
https://gitlab.com/accensi/deathstrider/-/blob/10fe4c4e5a9d2d41135dfb7d041b25c232e3ea54/ZScript/Helpers/Weapons.zsc#L5
This is an absolute angle. Example:
>let plr = PlayerPawn(invoker.Owner);
>double shootPitch = DSCore.GetShootPitch(plr, plr.Height / 2 + plr.AttackZOffset);
>A_FireProjectile([...], pitch: shootPitch);

I don't remember if A_FireProjectile's pitch argument is relative or absolute. In case it's relative, you can do
>double shootPitch = DeltaAngle(plr.Pitch, DSCore.GetShootPitch(plr, plr.Height / 2 + plr.AttackZOffset));
Might have to slap a minus in front of that if it's inverted. Getting angles right on the first try in GZDoom is a bit of a crapshoot.
If you end up using this, you should move GetShootPitch to your own "helper" class or put it on the base weapon class to avoid potential conflicts. Either works fine.
Keep in mind this does have a few side effects in that occasionally, under very specific circumstances, a projectile won't fly towards where you'd expect it to, but those instances are rare enough to safely ignore them. At least it used to. Don't remember if I addressed that or not.

>>10151307
Based zscript anon

>>10150502
Are those feet all hoofed or not?

shamblers have wool
they're also born with tails, but shubby cut them off
quake dreams of electric sheep

>>10149543
I am late to this but I'm working on the chain upgrade for Blaz. This'll look better in motion but I need to get around to implementing it. Once you get this upgrade, lashing things with the chain will give you just a little bit of sword energy (I need to give that a new name at this point, might just call it Focus Points or some shit)

But what'll make the upgrade particularly good to have is it'll freeze the gauge from decaying even after you fill it up and activate the powered up mode.

>>10151015
>>10151057
No, this area right here from mge2m2. You're an absolute poser if you can't tell from the textures

>>10151443
>I haven't played much Q2 of late
I played it a lot when I was 17 or 18. I pirated a copy that didn't even have the ost. Then I played through it again with Quake 2 Evolved if you remember that. I really loved the parallax or the bump mapping it introduced and how much darker the lighting was, but Q2E never got a modern port and it doesn't work now without glaring issues. After that I would touch it on and off but get bored. I would never have recognized those textures from the time I played over a decade ago.

>>10151443
he did post the exact contraption that I meant though. not everyone maps or jacks off to Q2, give the guy a break.

>>10150648
I didn't specify they were required, but it doesn't hurt to just pop them in for those who want to try the wad in coop.

>>10150997
>>10150987
I thought more people would be able to appreciate it with some changes I’ve been exposed to by the few mods out there as well as expansion AI improvements. The new port is that and more.
>>10151225
>His backstory with following Bitterman throughout Quake 2 and being dumb enough to not undestand what Makron meant by talking about runes and magic is rather curious.
I was wondering if someone would mention this. It came across as some retrofitted silly Stanley Woo diary nonsense made for lootboxes but then again it is just a wacky arena game.
>>10151338
I think “elephantlike feet” makes the most sense all around.

>>10150198
qc making strogg have free will was lame

>>10151475
I think they always did to some weird extent. This is from the manual:
>Political System
>The Strogg civilization is governed through a system of Warlords. Each is given strategic locations to command and control. A single leader, called the Makron, is chosen from the Warlords. He commands Stroggos from within the palace city located at the northern end of Cerberon. Losing him would leave the Strogg confused and in turmoil as the Warlords battle internally to determine a successor. This would remove any chance Stroggos has for creating a well-organized strike or defensive position.
They’re not full on “mindless cyborgs”.
The entries in QC felt more like filler.

>>10151483
They were mindless cyborgs in Q4, which did its share of retcons. And then some more retcons happened in QC. It's your choice what lore you want to agree with, I think we already know what modern id is going to say.
>all of it is true lol

Even Q3, now that I think about it, had TankJr, which I guess is more of a continuation of the joke from the end of Q2 than a serious attempt at changing some lore.

For me? It's the gladiator. Such a cool enemy.

>>10151514
These guys work the best when they're stationary. That way they don't waste time trying to walk up to you and just constantly fire their railguns at you so to bait their claw attack you have to approach them instead.

>>10151492
4 was a big mess in general with being torn between wanting to be a more traditional FPS, or more like CoD while released under the weight of CoD2 anyways, and filled with silly body horror to step-up with D3.
>It's your choice what lore you want to agree with
“Less is more is rule” leads to Q2 being the winner.

>>10151492
>>10151531
I dunno can't it be both? A section of the strogg that have no minds of their own, and strogg that do. Am I crazy for considering that

>>10151514
Do they say "TRAITOR!" when they spot you? How am I the traitor when they're processed humans who turned on humanity?

>>10151549
Don't they just say DOYEETU

>>10151537
Appealing to everyone maybe? I’d keep it simple and I find it less interesting if I’m shooting more mindless drones.

>>10151579
>I’d keep it simple and I find it less interesting if I’m shooting more mindless drones.
Because you're thinking too simple. Some platoons are outfitted with special hivemind chips that link them up to a platoon leader that serves as a particularly sadistic miniboss because he had to shove the hivemind chip into the humans' brains himself, demolishing their personalities brutally. Gotta use your imagination anon.

>>10151549
they say "КTO ЭTO?"

list of sapient autonomous strogg
>gunners

list of strogg that only have free will on a case-by-case basis, as some individuals are noncompliant and must be assimilated into the hivemind
>guards
>enforcers
>iron maidens

list of sapient autonomous strogg that can be controlled remotely
>gladiators
>tanks
>medics

list of strogg that control hivemind strogg and can take manual control of heavy autonomous units
>makron (large scale)
>brains (on a local level)

list of hivemind strogg
>berzerkers
>icari
>flyers
>parasites
>technicians

>>10151606
So what you're saying is that if you have sex with an iron maiden, there's a chance you're actually fucking the entire Strogg collective?

Been playing the Quake II update and honestly I don't remember Quake II being that damn good and fun. In my 14 year old teenager memory it was kind of boring and stuff happened randomly while going from point to point and I had to force myself to power through the last stages to see the end. But now all those years later I'm having a blast playing it, I understand everything going on, the missions, how one area relates to another, how to approach each different challenge. I guess I was just retarded.

>>10151537
>I dunno can't it be both?
It can if that's what you want, that is the modern id approach that I mentioned already.

>>10151608
Q2R also heavily overhauls the gameplay to make it much snappier.

>>10151591
>Some platoons are outfitted with special hivemind chips that link them up to a platoon leader that serves as a particularly sadistic miniboss because he had to shove the hivemind chip into the humans' brains himself
Yeah that just seems like the most blatantly and unimaginative thing to do when having some Strogg factions be mindless and some not as touched on with >>10151537 I don’t think it warranted a further explanation.
>>10151608
>Been playing the Quake II update and honestly I don't remember Quake II being that damn good and fun.
Even the expansions get different with the enemy AI, but not many wanted to give them a chance after trying the base campaign.

>>10151608
I've always loved Q2 even before Q2R since it was one of my first childhood games so it makes me happy to hear that some people are coming around to it.

>>10151616
>and some not as touched on
wat

>>10151625
>>10151616
oh you were just missing a comma.
>Yeah that just seems like the most blatantly and unimaginative thing to do
i think its fine. you okay man?

>>10151629
>you okay man?
Yep, just some silly phoneposterey

>i'm fine with that
I'm fine when it's just towards things like these cute lil fixbot buddies

>>10151607
Well if you strogg yourself, it's just a higher level of masturbation.

Also iron maidens seem to have their vaginas and assholes removed, so sex might be out of question. Boobjobs are fine.

>>10151616
Yea, Ground Zero is actually fun now.

>>10151667
The berzerker change alone makes this better than any other sourceport version of Q2 and nobody can change my mind. From an absolutely useless enemy to a fiend+ level danger where you can't relax your brain if you want to avoid damage.

>The berzerker change alone makes this better than any other sourceport version of Q2 and nobody can change my mind.
Mission 64 zerkers were cool and the enemies could similarly trolldodge. Also the zerk smash will need a huge damage boost if they plan on making it avoidable in a coming patch.

>>10151681
They're planning on making it avoidable? Fucking trash.

>>10151672
I could never play Ground Zero without remaster again
>i have hard time imagining gz without distruptor anymore, absolutely fun weapon
>etf rifle and chainfist aren't useless on remaster
>turrets and stalkers have received their much needed nerfs, which means you can play gz on hard or nightmare and still have fun
I don't like the railgun nerf, but eventually the remaster content/changes will be ported to Yamagi and others.

>>10151682
As >>10150214 it's actually just kind of fun to get hit with right now if you're not at crazy low health and armor. It doesn't hurt much at all. I'm also still with >>10150402 where if there is an ability to "dodge it" to a small window as well as that damage boost I want.