/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10140778
The game is a ridiculous filter for multiple reasons, some are good, some are bad, some are just "Yoko Taro".

>>10140778
I love this game unironically.

The gameplay is hot trash but I've always been extremely fascinated by the story, its theatrical presentation, and amazing OST. I haven't played a single game that evokes the same apocalyptic feeling that this game tries to go for. The execution is just beautiful.

The fact that it's also a loosely tied to Ace Combat 2&3 (both in actual game development, but also in story and themes) is a massive bonus for me as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNXixWo3coY

>>10140778
that's the spirit

Drag-on Dragoon is one of the best games I've ever played in my entire career.

Fighting, flying, story, branching? Nuff said

>>10142631
drag-on deez nuts

>>10140820
Explain the Ace Combat connection?

>>10142847
a few developers from old ace combat games worked on it and that's about it. I don't know what kinda reaching that anon is making to connect the stories but who the hell cares.

memegame, the undertale of a previous generation
>>10140793
imagine making this sort of embarrassing post

>>10142847
The developers of Ace Combat 3 made the game. AC3's full title includes Electrosphere, and Drakengard's development codename at the time was Project Dragonsphere. Ace Combat 3 (the uncensored japanese version obviously) actually has a lot of similarities to Drakengard storytelling wise.

Also (ending spoiler) Caim gets shot down by the protagonist of Ace Combat 2 in Ending E.

>>10143381
ending e is called "the end of dragon sphere" and it's inspired by the end of evangelion too. The pilot has the same call sign but it's not meant to be the same guy, the ending is set in Tokyo while Ace Combat has always been set in a fictional planet like Sky Crawlers.

>>10143753
Not necessarily. I find the Scarface 1 reference cool and its not like I'm SUPER invested in the idea that DrakeNier is loosely connected to Ace Combat... but not all Ace Combat games take place in Strangereal. Strangereal doesn't even become a thing until Ace Combat 3, and Ace Combat 2 didn't get retconned into being a Strangereal game until the 3DS remake came out years later.

>>10140778
You've gotta do it, brah. You've gotta get to the point of no return, let it break you and then hear Manah mockingly tell you "Thank you for playing!".

>>10143062
Imagine barking angry shit about games you've never touched for attention like a cheap whore.

>>10140778
Same, I had to drop it.
At least nier has a semi competent battle system so when it makes you replay the same part of the game 3 fucking times is a little less of a slog.
You need to understand that Taro is the biggest hackfraud in this industry and automata was a good game despite his autism, not because of it.

>>10140778
I tried it once and the game itself sucked but man the OST was cool
>>10144668
>tfw my hair is approaching this state
at least I'm not fat I guess

>>10140820
>>10144914
For me it's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaIVROCirvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Em4-ryg5m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGAzSL-Gbao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To0AS3hWp_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkYejDiG9xg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZQCqhS_4F8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aW-KC9Z1kQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shas5rC7Rtk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLCUX4fpvro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czuzgKcX0Qs

I know 2 is disliked by many but it also has a few good ones (even if they aren't as experimental)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH1TAdIX_ts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnNSy7SHBTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fKS6UXZJfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGz79_ETVdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdjr--oS7UE

>>10144384
>Strangereal doesn't even become a thing until Ace Combat 3
Source?

>>10145183
...Play the games? All of the Strangereal games are based on everything set up during AC3 and AC04. AC2 doesn't get retconned into being a Strangereal game until AC:Assault Horizon Legacy.

>>10145410
>trust me bro
gotcha

>>10144668
>You need to understand that Taro is the biggest hackfraud in this industry
even if you hate taro with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns, this isn't remotely close to being true as long as david cage still breathes

>>10145528
>>10144668
And Kojimbo

>>10144384
the question here isn't whether AC1 and 2 are in Strangereal, but rather whether Scarface could be the JSDF pilot that downs Angelus.
It's fair enough to say that AC2 was only retconned to be part of the larger "Strangereal" setting later, but from the start all of the missions are taking place over fictional locations with names like "Twinkle Island" which don't exist anywhere on earth. So I don't think it can be interpreted as anything more than a nod to Ace Combat.

>>10144668
How much involvement does he even have with development anyway? Based on what I've read he seems to run really loose with what everyone else in the development team is doing.
Automata is good because of the Platinum gameplay, but the world structure which is similar to the original Nier is what wears it down imo

>>10145495
This is literally common knowledge among AC fans considering the fact that later games still make callbacks to locations within AC3 and AC04. I don't know what to tell you, I guess you haven't actually played any AC games.

>>10145676
Ace Combat has a lot of fictional locations that are based on real ones, even in the Strangereal timeline, such as Farbanti which is some weird amalgamation of Los Angeles and other cities.

Like I said, I'm not super invested in whether or not Ace Combat is LOREWISE connected to DrakeNier, but its not like DrakeNier universe really cares about consistency in general. The Scarface 1 reference in Ending E is almost certainly just the old AC3 devs having fun. But this also brings up the fact that Taro is actually less involved with Drakengard's development than people think. If anything, the impression I get from the sparse Taro interviews about DoD1, he kinda doesn't care about the game and claims he halfassed the story. Which is funny because I think DoD1 and Nier Replicant are probably up there with his best works.

>>10145758
>This is literally common knowledge among AC fans considering the fact that later games still make callbacks to locations within AC3 and AC04. I don't know what to tell you, I guess you haven't actually played any AC games.
You still havent provided a source that strangereal became a thing with AC3. Such a simple question. Your evasiveness speaks volumes.

>>10145758
>Ace Combat is LOREWISE connected to DrakeNier
They obviously aren't since Bamco created an elaborate universe for their games and Square Enix properties aren't a part of it.

>>10140778
Somebody told me to play the PS3 one but I know nothing about this series.

>>10145758
Anon, stop. Strangereal wasn't a thing until Ace Combat 5. AC04 had it's own world which you can see here in official artwork which looks nothing like the map in AC5. And originally, Usea was just a fictional continent in the real world north of Japan in the Pacific Ocean.

>>10140778
the ost is great and i wish we could have more unhinged yet determined mcs like caim
the way the mature story is handled and the way the rest of the cast is written... you'd never see anything like it today

>>10146297
>Anon, stop. Strangereal wasn't a thing until Ace Combat 5.
OK now you're just shitposting

>>10145810
The source is playing the games, are you going to pretend like Project Aces has a repository that I can pull random factoids out of? How about you prove that AC3 isn't part of the Strangereal timeline instead buddy?

>>10146187
I didn't say they were, can you read my post before just attacking a strawman? I don't even disagree with you.

>>10146784
It's clear by now that you don't have a source not only for that claim of yours, but all the other things the other anons have pointed out.

One would think if you've played the game yourself, then providing a source would be piece of cake.

"Oh, you can see that here."
"It's this part in so and so game."

Guess that's not the case with you. Evasiveness. Deflection. Attitude.

>>10146810
I'm not even here to have an argument... Why are you so heated over the fact that the same devs of AC3 worked on Drakengard?

>>10146820
>Why are you so heated over the fact that the same devs of AC3 worked on Drakengard?
What does that have to do with my question to you?
>>10145183
That's such a bizarre answer.

>>10140778
You just press square
>>10146230
It's not really worth playing without the context of the first game. I don't think 3 really stands on its own and it's tone is a bit off putting for some.

>>10146828
>What does that have to do with my question to you?
Because my initial post was about how I enjoy the thematic similarities between AC3 and Drakengard, and the small callbacks such as Scarface 1 in Ending E make Drakengard more memorable for me. I didn't even imply that Drakengard and Ace Combat take place in the same universe, yet you're attacking a strawman argument that I don't even necessarily agree with. I just corrected the anon's assertion that Ace Combat always took place in Strangereal when he pointed out that Ending E takes place in real-life Tokyo (which again, I never claimed that this Tokyo location was part of Ace Combat). The fact that you're so heated about me liking the small connections between Ace Combat and Drakengard is so bizarre to me when I didn't even claim that Ace Combat takes place in the DrakeNier universe.

>>10146854
>Because my initial post was about how I enjoy the thematic similarities between AC3 and Drakengard, and the small callbacks such as Scarface 1 in Ending E make Drakengard more memorable for me.
This has nothing to do with my question.

>"Strangereal doesn't even become a thing until Ace Combat 3"
>source?

>>10146854
>I didn't even imply that Drakengard and Ace Combat take place in the same universe,
again, nothing to do with my question
>Strangereal doesn't even become a thing until Ace Combat 3
>source?

>yet you're attacking a strawman argument that I don't even necessarily agree with.
how is asking for a source "attacking a strawman argument"??

>I just corrected the anon's assertion that Ace Combat always took place in Strangereal when he pointed out that Ending E takes place in real-life Tokyo
this also has (surprise surprise) nothing to do with my question. That is between you and that anon.

>The fact that you're so heated about me liking the small connections between Ace Combat and Drakengard is so bizarre to me when
apparently asking for a source is being heated about you liking something???

>I didn't even claim that Ace Combat takes place in the DrakeNier universe.
This also has nothing to do with my question.
>Strangereal doesn't even become a thing until Ace Combat 3
>Source?

>>10146878
>apparently asking for a source is being heated about you liking something???
I mean, yes?

I'm just discussing why I like a video game and you're interrogating me. If you have anything contrary in-game that shows AC3 doesn't take place in Strangereal, or that it has no connection to any of the future titles (like ACX which references AC3), then I mean, you're free to post it? I'm not going to prove a negative for you on a mongolian basket weaving forum. I'm just expressing why I like a game.

>>10146935
>If you have anything contrary in-game that shows AC3 doesn't take place in Strangereal
That also has nothing to do with my question.

>Strangereal doesn't even become a thing until Ace Combat 3
>Source?

> If you have anything contrary
Asking to back up your claim doesn't mean I'm trying to prove the contrary.

I wish I could cite sources or back up my statements like that.

"If you have anything contrary that shows the opposite of my claim, you're free to post it."

lol

To think it was such a simple little question.

>>10146953
Well I guess you're just arguing for no reason then. Kinda weird and unhinged.

>>10146991
Shame seeing someone feel attacked by something as simple as a question.

Anyway, I noticed you get confused easily, getting different posts by different anons mixed up, with a reply or two on the verge of incoherence.

So you can't answer a question? Next time, just say "I don't know." Save yourself all this trouble.

>>10147000
Again, what's the point of proving a negative? If you disagree about AC3 taking place in Strangereal and aren't willing to provide evidence to the contrary, then yeah, you're just shitposting and arguing for no reason.

>>10147000
>Save yourself all this trouble.
most people don't expect a pedantic and autistic retard to respond to their posts albeit