/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10113313
Retarded zoomers

>>10113313
I HATE mods. Just get an upscaler. In the future when the technology changes you're going to have to mod your console again. Just use an external solution.

Can you use both the hdmi port and the av out if you hdmi mod your ps1?
>>10113317
true, the market is already moving to display port, albeit very slowly.

>>10113318
My gpu doesn’t even have hdmi ports

>>10113318
>true, the market is already moving to display port, albeit very slowly.
um, no? monitors =/= TVs

>>10113313
Maybe you got a cheap hd TV were they safed on rgb or it just doesn't werk

imagine for a second that your TV doesn't accept SCART

>>10113370
then I would get a retrotink which works with other consoles as well as the ps1

>>10113313
Modern SCART hardware is crap and no new TV’s these days support it anyways. Since the entire point of modding the console in the first place is to use it with modern displays, a SCART cable makes no sense unless you have a CRT, in which case, there’s no need to mod.

>>10113335
this can either mean extremely cringe gpu, or extremely based gpu. there is no middle

>>10113317
hate to break it to you, but the ps2's video out is an abomination.
I'm glad there's finally an hdmi mod available.

>>10113393
looks fine on my telly.
all you need is a tv with component input.

>>10113396
yeah you're an idiot

>>10113403
sure thing guy who play his ps2 on a fucking hd lcd/plasma/oled tv.

>>10113396
That’s what this is, but even on a 4K Sony TV, it doesn’t look the best. Decent, but that HDMI mod sounds like a good upgrade to me. I also wouldn’t mind a retrotink device, if the good ones weren’t so expensive.

>>10113407
>That’s what this is, but even on a 4K Sony TV, it doesn’t look the best
of course it doesnt,its not a crt,id take composite on a crt over component on a modern tv.

>>10113412
What a useless fucking post

>>10113393
I've never heard of an hdmi mod for the ps2, only the ps1

>>10113417
I think it was either the first or second result on google

>>10113393
the blur is soulful, doesn't look right without it

>>10113415
how so,now anon knows why it doesnt look the best,you on the other hand just says my post was useless,projecting much or you were actually talking about the post you were typing yourself.

>>10113425
>now anon knows why it doesnt look the best
You didn’t actually explain anything unless you consider “It’s not a CRT” to be a good explanation. It’s an especially poor one in a discussion about mods to use these consoles on modern displays.

>>10113438
do you also need technical explanation to why a hammer isnt good at cutting wood ?
use the right tool for the job.

>>10113445
This is such an unbelievable false equivalence that I don’t won’t deign to entertain it. They’re clearly both designed for the same job and axes are getting harder to find since they’re not produced anymore and everyone is selling the old axe as a “retro gaming weapon”.

>>10113448
ok then do you use a tape player to play cd,both cd player and tape player are made to play audio.

>>10113450
This is also not the same thing. It would be better to ask if I use the same speakers to listen to both formats and the answer is yes, good hifi equipment can easily do both. You’re essentially asking if I use my ps2’s disc drive to play 7600 games, that doesn’t make sense.

>>10113453
its kinda the same,one is made to interpret analog singal the other digital.

>>10113313
I use HDMI adapters for my * and 16-bit consoles, they look great on my HDTV. But PS1? Early 3D looks like ass on a flatscreen even with filters, CRT or nothing

>>10113457
The format is secondary to the device you’re using it with. In this example, a CRT or modern TV can accept digital and analog inputs. Maybe your CRT can’t if it’s sufficiently old. The audio example is bad because I would be using the same speakers, which also accept digital and analog input.

>>10113467
you are terminally autistic and incapable of common sense.

>>10113469
Sorry you got BTFO, anon.

>>10113470
i really didnt otherwise i would have changed my mind,the crt/modern tv inequalities is a pretty unique thing and you are incapable of understanding the point im trying to make,crt that accept hdmi are an oddities and they also suck when fed a 240p signal,all lcd/plasma/oled sucks when using analog input even if they support it.

>>10113474
Finally, you explained something. This is all that I wanted from you. I don’t even disagree that CRT’s are better, merely that they’re not designed for the same purpose, which they of course are. And also that recommending a CRT in an HDMI mod thread is super retarded.

>>10113313
The PS1 digitial mod preserves the original a/v multi out and even let's you use both simultaneoulys. You are looking mighty dumb right now. Especially since that og port is even visible in the picture you posted yourself. The fuck do you care if someone else feels like modding their console? It's their console.

>>10113374
do you have any links with image comparisons? im looking for an upscaller but not fully convinced.
right now im swapping between two 32" tvs, a better one with hdmi only and the other one with component, it's annoying.

>>10113317
You’re incorrect, it’s a built in digital mod essentially. Once it’s digital you’ll only have to use a cheap adapter to make it plug into whatever it needs to be plugged into. Amazon has tons of Hdmi to Display Port cables. These are digital to digital and don’t require external power or process the signal in any way, so they’re completely lag free unlike most analog to digital converters.

>>10113405
You’re objectively wrong outside of a few a titles that support 480p. Ps2 output is interlaced regardless of cables/television. The only way around it is using an expensive upscaler or a mod that supports it, like one just announced. Now you have less of an excuse to spout off stupid shit.

>>10113682
how am i wrong,nothing wrong with 480i on a crt.

>>10113417
it's the G.E.M.
fairly recent

>>10113405
compare multiplats in screenshots or videos.
PS2 image quality is just worse than all the other consoles of that gen, speaking in terms of vibrancy or contrast. something about the PS2 video DAC just isn't very good.

At that point, use an emulator. Original hardware should be for when you want the original hardware experience.
I don't understand the desire to mangle retro systems, especially when the amount of functional ones in circulation is going to diminish over time.
Seems like this is exclusively for someone who both doesn't want to own a CRT, and doesn't want to use any kind of emulator, and I don't know who that person is.

Oh, and if you want to play PS1 games on a system with HDMI out, you can literally just use a PS3, right?

>>10113859
>compare multiplats in screenshots or videos.
who cares,games like MGS2 and 3 looks fucking amazing,and the multiplats that looks worse it isnt solely because of the output,back then the consoles had vastly different architecture.

>>10113313
Have you ever tried a scart cable on a modern TV? It looks like absolute fucking shit.

>>10113879
>speaking in terms of vibrancy or contrast
can you not fucking read or what
I'm not even saying it doesn't have amazing looking games
I'm saying they could look a little better if the output wasn't so shit
you colossal retard

>>10113894
You can literally just hook a laptop up to your modern TV, and play PS1 games with all kinds of HD enhancements, if that's what you're looking for though.
At that point, the actual console is limiting what you want, which is for games to look good on your new TV.

>>10113864
sounds sorta like me desu. I don't have the space for a CRT in my living room, and I have no idea how to set up something to emulate games. Frankly if I had every other game in existence at my disposal I'd probably never find something to play, so at the moment I just want to play the games that I have.

>>10114367
>Frankly if I had every other game in existence at my disposal I'd probably never find something to play, so at the moment I just want to play the games that I have.
sounds like a you problem,you can also use the game you have to play them in emulator.

>>10113341
lmfao look at this faggot, he plays games on a TV

>>10114367
>and I have no idea how to set up something to emulate games.
You mean at all? You couldn't download Duckstation and boot it up?
Softmodding consoles or building some specialised emulator box are more of a specific process, but you can literally just buy a laptop, plug that into a TV and be done with it. That would probably emulate PS1 just fine.

>>10113313
>Is there something I'm missing?
People want to use genuine PS1 units with TVs that don't have composite, component or SCART, just HDMI. What's wrong with that? Yeah, buying an older used TV with those ports would probably be cheaper, but it adds clutter to the living space and that TV is probably an old piece of shit with a degraded panel that could develop issues at any point. Composite, component or SCART to HDMI adapter could work too, but prices of those are also quite high and they are often of dubious quality. Remember, we're dealing with analog signals here, so cable and adapter quality matters much, much more than for digital signals. HDMI mod, while expensive, solves all of those issues.

>>10113873
No because ps1 games look like shit on the ps3

>>10113313
Why turn a digital signal to analog only to convert it back to digital so you can show it on a modern tv?

>>10114395
I use the retrotink and it looks good and works for consoles other than the ps1.

>>10114395
>that TV is probably an old piece of shit with a degraded panel that could develop issues at any point.
oh,you mean like those old consoles that could stop working any time ?

>>10114367
>I have no idea how to set up something to emulate games.
how the fuck do you get through life,emulating some old ass video games isnt rocket science,a quick google search and you got all the info you need,i was emulating nes games when i was like 10yo.

>>10114416
most of the time no because the console is just a shitty board while TV and all the crystals and tube shit has a bunch of physical factors, actually, ps1 in question will be prone to problem because of physical problems on the disc reader, while the board will last forever.

>>10114406
That is a high quality adapter and costs more than $100. Paying someone to install an HDMI mod in USA might be even more expensive, but in my third world country it would actually be cheaper (though you'd have to wait 2-3 months for high-quality service).

>>10114426
>most of the time no because the console is just a shitty board while TV and all the crystals and tube shit has a bunch of physical factors,
sorry i had no idea game console were ethereal stuff my bad.

>>10114416
>>10114426
AND you can replace the drive after it fails (which is much chepaer than replacing the LCD panel in a TV, that's almost its entire cost) AND there are mods that allow you to bypass the CD drive entirely.

>>10114435
theres no lcd panel in my crt,also the hdmi mod is to plug the console in an lcd/plasma/oled wich can all fail so how does that solve anything.

>>10114434
Logic boards have quite low risk of failure. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, especially with 25-year old hardware, but it might just keep chugging along. By contrast, LCDs get damaged much faster just by using them. Especially ones with CCFL backlights, the backlight will always be the first component to go in those ones. And consider this: almost the entirely of PSX is digital, outside of some analog to digital converters (that will not be used if HDMI mod is applied). It will either work as well as a new unit or not at all. Panels are much different. Even if there is no burn-in or other obvious physical defects, picture quality will degrade over time. In particular, the display will start to turn yellow. This process happens 5x faster with old CCFL-backlit LCDs. New TVs with component, composite or SCART aren't made any more and all of the used ones out there will eventually degrade beyond recognition.

>>10114448
Your CRT degrades too. Burn-in on CRTs is much, much worse than on LCD, though still not as bad as on OLED. But it will happen if you use it a lot. The dfference is that HDMI is probably the final display connector we settled on, with just new revisions being added on top, so you will be able to use your PS1 for a long time in the future.

>>10114461
I bought a new 4K Sony TV last year for around 1k that has component input.

>>10113498
I never said it didn't preserve the original output. I said I didn't see the point

>>10113415
That anon isn’t really wrong. The vast majority of PS2 games only output 480i, with only a small percentage of them outputting 480p. Yes it’s still great to play your old PS2 games on a modern display without having to throw them all away, but if you want better image quality then either emulate them or buy their respective HD ports/remakes of available. Even with an HDMI mod, you’re still playing incredibly low resolution games made for a world of CRTs and then just upscaling that image to 1080p, and then having your TV try and upscale that if it’s a 4K panel, there’s no getting past the fact that the PS2 will disappoint in image quality no matter how much money you spend.

>>10114374
i only use monitors excluding my CRT TV for certain old shit sometimes. you know what they say about assuming :^)

>>10114510
The point is it gives you a native HDMI out. What's not to get? There's no deeper mystery here to uncover.

>>10114863
Why you don't use an emulator.

>>10114907
I do. Are you okay? You seem a little confused.

>>10113835
You'll have to excuse them. The only TVs that are usable apparently are only ones from the last 15 years.

>>10113417
hate to break it to you, but the ps2's video out is an abomination.
I'm glad there's finally an hdmi mod available

>>10115497
>making the same reply twice
I don't have any issues with it when plugged into my retrotink but whatever.
I made this thread to talk about the ps1 not the ps2.

>>10113393
So I'm gonna be a contrarian here.
The PS2's component cables aren't shit. They work great with my HD TV and it's a better choice compared to HDMI either through mods or a pound cable. Hear me out.

I've got a weird ass Samsung flatscreen from around 2010. It recognizes component 240p, and has next to zero input lag in gaming mode.

>>10113313
I installed the pixelfx hdmi mod in my n64, then in typical fashion of course they came out with a new hdmi model. But what pisses me off most about it is they made it for the fucking ps2 of all things. A console already capable of utilizing rgb cables and 720p they made a damn hdmi mod for it.