/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10097628
Marvel was bleeding cash after McFarlane left and had to generate revenue by licensing out their IPs

Marvel was on a brink of bankruptcy in the 1990s, so they were licensing everything to other firms to get cash from merch sales.

>>10097628
The Genesis Marvel games were so bad

Normalfags wanted games with characters they recognized.

Comic books were revolutionized by Liefield and McFarlane

>>10097639
>normalfags in the 90s read comics
zoomers out

>>10097645
comics are for normalfags, yes

>>10097628
Separation Anxiety is such a funny name for a superhero game.

>>10097628
I have the SNES version of this game. I actually kind of enjoyed it. My cousin also had the Spider-Man and X-Men game on SNES (Arcade Revenge I think)

>>10097628
The bankruptcy didn't cause anything, Marvel had been trying to license themselves out for awhile. Perhaps the most infamous example was the Pryde of the X-Men animated pilot which featured Australian Wolverine.

>>10097645
Ironic that you call that poster a zoomer when it's you that is unaware of the state of the industry in the early 90s. X-Men #1 sold 8 million copies while modern comics struggle to reach 100k. Comics back then were still accessible to normal people and weren't yet exclusively hidden away in smelly dungeons and printed on glossy paper

>>10097631
*McFarlane and Jim Schuter.

>>10097628
This game was kind of rough. It was one of those games where they use previous boss characters as regular enemies on the last stages so shit just drags on.

>>10097638
X-Men 2 is good.

>>10097628
The cartoons and toys were popular.
>>10097631
>>10097635
That's funny, it seemed so popular I assumed the merch was everywhere because the comics were doing well. Then again I never bought a single Marvel comic so it makes sense.

>>10097628
Because Marvel was in their peak in the 90s

>>10098057
>Because Marvel was in their peak in the 90s
Lol I have a big fondness for 90s Marvel myself since it was my youth, but that certainly isn't the consensus you're "supposed" to have if you like comics. They'll flip shit about how the 90's is the worst and meme about pouches and edginess, even though that shit sold to who it was supposed to, young boys.

>>10097628
Why are there's so many Marvel movies in 20s? They all suck and there's just so damn many. They won't stop.

>>10097674
What is funny is how small Venom and Spider-Man names are next to the radioactive green SEPARATION ANXIETY title and how Venom name comes before fucking Spider-Man.

>>10097665
This really sucks.

>>10097671
Sucks.

>>10097645
This guy gets it. Normalfags obsoletely did NOT read comics in the 90s. They also didn't play fucking video games.

>>10097665
>>10097671
I have the SNES versions of those. Spider-Man was good. Arcade's Revenge was balls hard.
>>10097673
The arcade version of Cap and the Avengers is incredible.

>>10098132
>Arcade's Revenge was balls

>>10098124
Absolute underage retard

>>10097645
They watched the cartoons, stupid.
>Zoomers have no idea these existed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZGN9fZvQhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAkL2-vh2Sk

>>10098121
>and how Venom name comes before fucking Spider-Man.
Well, that's probably because "Separation Anxiety" the comic was a Venom comic, not a Spider-Man one. But also, Venom was just really big in the 90s, pretty sure much to the chagrin to some boomies at Marvel if his treatment in some comics is anything to go by. I think some old school comics people didn't like such an edgy boy becoming so popular and money making especially off the back of Marvel's golden boy, but he was.

>>10098207
>pretty sure much to the chagrin to some boomies at Marvel if his treatment in some comics is anything to go by.
It is understandable considering Venom was created by Todd McFarlane. The more revenue venom brought in, the more royalties they had to pay him.

>>10097673
>Win the video arcade game!

Did any other games do this? There HAS to be more

>>10098207
The one constant in comics is that older fans/creators will bitch about new stuff. During X-Men's ascent to the biggest comic in the world they were getting letters from fans complaining it wasn't as good as the 60s issues. One of them was by Kurt Busiek, a future Marvel writer

>>10098317
just sounds like us, or even like /v/, at least when I went there.

>>10097628
They needed money and licensed whored

>>10098164
No need to out your self, zoomer.

>>10098164
You don't get to rewrite the history I lived you little limp wristed zoomer fuck.

>>10098334
>>10098339
>zoomie still larpin
Pathetic.

>>10098345
GetFucked you trolling piece of shit.

So when Rob Liefeld did his Levis commercial were they trying to capture the lucrative neckbeard market?

>>10098351
Eat some tide pods, junior.

>>10097638
i like Genesis Maximum Carnage (also like the SNES one)

>>10098351
>>10098345
>>10098164
>>10098124
kek you are 100% underage zoomer faggot. everyone in the 90's was reading comics and playing video games. it was as common as cellphones and social media from today. fucking zoomers

>>10098438

>>10097628
They already had symbiote fatigue in 90s.

>>10098438
There's a bit of a nuance to be honest. Comics and video games were something all kids were into yes......though as you became an older kid, being a "nerd" was also more stigmatized than it is now. It was only nerdy kids wearing superhero t shirts after a certain age back in the day, while today it is 100 percent pure normie, because of the popularity of the movies.

>>10098462
>Comics and video games were something all kids were into yes
Wrong
>though as you became an older kid, being a "nerd" was also more stigmatized than it is now. It was only nerdy kids wearing superhero t shirts after a certain age back in the day, while today it is 100 percent pure normie, because of the popularity of the movies.
Closer
Maybe it was different in inner city schools, but anywhere else it was not f'n normies reading comics and playing video games.

>>10098132
>I have the SNES versions of those. Spider-Man was good.
My number 2 Spiderman game ever behind the one made by the Tony Hawk guys. I was obssessed with it for a couple months.

>>10098468
>Maybe it was different in inner city schools, but anywhere else it was not f'n normies reading comics and playing video games.
Lol what does this even mean? It'd be kids who had more money who got to play the most games, not poor kids.

>>10097628
>Why were there so many Marvel games in the 90s?
Because it was popular...
with content that translates well to video games...

>>10098468
normalfags definitely played games as kids. They just stopped as they became teens, barring certain sports games or nostalgia romps (like digging out a childhood game for fun). Games were for kids unless you were a freak or a geek.

>>10098482
Marvel is way more popular today and yet there are much fewer games.

>>10098496
Depends on the age range I think, if you were like an older kid going into the 90s yeah, I think of my older cousins and none of them played games and just passed all their old shit to me. But if you were core millennial age 90s kid, you witnessed things like Grand Theft Auto and Halo become normie brocore along with the typical sports games.

>>10098506
Same thing with Star Wars. Disney keep giving exclusive licensing deals to big companies, and then nothing gets made for years.

>>10098506
That's because Disney is garbage at making games. Look at how Star Wars games died on their watch

>>10098474
>Lol what does this even mean?
Are you really that sheltered? You think people are the same everywhere even in your own country?

>>10098586
I don't get the connection you make between inner city schools, known for poverty, and having more playthings growing up. Doesn't make sense.

>>10098587
Being in a family with more money doesn't always equal having more playthings growing up. What about that don't you understand?

>>10098637
Ok so what did your upper crust childhood consist of if you didn't have video games, comics, toys, etc. Training to play equestrian sports? That's just not normal, has nothing to do with inner city schools.

>>10098496
>>10098521
depends how old and rich/poor you were. early teens or young adults? rarely played video games past high school. children that grew up with vidya? almost all of them continued playing though

>>10098653
I just tried to explain to you it has nothing to do with money. It has everything to do with culture. You know that thing you've been sheltered from. It's far more likely that kids would have engaged in comics and video games in inner cities. Hell you had to be in a Big City to even know the Master System or TurboGrafx even existed. You think Farming communities had a raging comic book culture? There are giant swathes of land where people were not exposed to current pop culture trends. Where even fashion was nearly a decade behind current trends that were more often than not dictated by either of the two coasts of the United States. Culture moved very differently before the internet reached the iPhone.

>several Spider-Man beat-em-ups
>all of them are butt ugly
>none have good music

>>10098704
Oh, you're trolling, I see. Yeah very cute, yes yes....in the 90s if you lived on a farm, you had no idea what Sega, Nintendo, or Spider-Man was, ancient times, no TV or anything.

But let's say you're not trolling, that's bullshit, people on farms in the 90s knew what video games and comics were, living in a more rural area is not the same as being like Amish. And also, even if someone lived a very sequestered rural life, that isn't representative of the norm for the rest of the country regardless, so your original statement this is stemming from has no bearing, since by all means, what's normal for this situation is abnormal to most people.

>>10098653
I don't count. I was very much an outlier from my community's norm. My father was a Satellite TV Pirate. I was able to find things nobody else was seeing in my community. Cable TV wasn't a thing here for about a decade after everyone else had it. I knew Akira existed in 1990. You think the kids I went to school with knew what Akira was? They had no idea that existed until we were all well into Highschool.
The must fucked up thing of it all was the only kid in my class that liked Pokemon was the fat retarded girl. So nobody else in my class bought first gen cards.
Do you see how fickle trends can be?

>>10098712
I'm tired. You fucking moronic piece of shit. Have an absolutely fucked and worthless rest of your week.

>>10098432
it's a crappy lazily made beat em up and only gets attention from nostalgiafags who played it when they were 11. Replace the Marvel characters with ones you don't recognize and the game wouldn't be remembered at all

>>10097638
Nintendo fans really are bitter and pathetic

>>10097646
Since The Avengers movie when you were 5, yes. Before that, and especially before Spider-Man (2002), comics were only for outcast nerds and/or stoners.

>>10099116
Brand fanboys like yourself are the most pathetic. That guy is retarded (Maximum Carnage is so based on Genny that I've still yet to give the SNES a real try), but there is no evidence he even likes Nintendo outside of some personal issues you have with that brand. He brought up Genesis probably because he played those games on one and got filtered by them, not necessarily because he's a gay brand loyalist like yourself.

>>10097628
>fly through stage
>win

>>10098708
Western devs

>>10098506
Probably because games cost a fuckton to make now and are pretty high risk, plus I'm pretty sure there are a ton of mobile games

>>10099158
I saw that guy in some other game, a Shinobi I think

>>10099158
I love this game

>>10099243
Yep, these days if you want to pump out something low cost, low effort, and low risk mobile games are the path of least resistance by a mile.

>>10098207
this was the best figure

>>10100434
I remember the comic reveal for Ben Reilley as Carnage-Spider back in the day. Shit had me hyped as a kid.

>>10102620
best one

>>10097631
>>10097641
Explain. Not disagreeing just interested

>>10102667
Todd McFarlane made the most hyped series in Marvel history, "Spider-Man" (just called spider man, not amazing/friendly neighborhood etc.) which had the best selling comic of all time (at the time) with Spider-Man #1. He saw how much money was being made off of his work and said "fuck you marvel" and went off to found his own company with other big hotshots in the industry. Subsequently created Spawn and his own toy company.
The exodus of talent crippled marvel and they relied on cheap gimmick foil covers and shitty story telling which made them lose their audience. And dumb shit like investing in a live action Fantastic 4 movie

>>10103016
>cheap gimmick foil covers

Odd to call those out when that McFarlane issue you were hyping up (the one that got immediately mogged by Jim Lee's X-Men and Liefeld's X-Force) had a foil cover

I knew 2 people into comics as a kid, then met a third in Jr high school. Would my other friends flip through my comics? Sure, but it wasn't until comics became THE HOT THING that I saw new people in the comic shop. So enjoy that 4th print of the death of superman and those polybagged xforce #1 issues faggots, don't miss the new issue of wizard so you can follow the investment! I fucking hate you.

>>10103191
>comic shop

Reminder that these are the cancer that killed the industry

>>10103197
I would have liked to have read comics as a kid. I literally never knew where to get them.

>>10103545
I had three different comic shops in walking distance of my house growing up, four if you want to count a Japanese import/collectibles/hobby shop but only had manga and then shit like Dreamwave Transformers and Mega Man. It was based.

Then, there were comic racks at drugstores and shit like that, the one I always went to only stocked Archie and Darkhorse for some weird reason, but I always got a random issue of Sonic anytime I went there with my mom.

>>10103181
I think his point was more that Todd was one of the first to have the idea to take his ball and go elsewhere. Jim was one of the last image founders to be convinced(and cited as the lynchpin that really got the ball rolling)

>>10103197
>these are the cancer that killed the industry
yes and no, newstand distributing was a dying area. Comic shops allowed a lot of books that wouldn't exist before to exist. but also trying to appease comic shop owners has hurt them as well.

>>10097628
Because comics started peaking in the very early 90s.

>>10105502
This. It was time to cash in. I knew a small handful of people into comics when I was growing up in the 90s and 2000s. This probably sounds quaint now, but at that time, the storylines had been so built up they’d become impenetrable for anyone except the obsessed. Example: good luck trying to understand all the Spider-Man clone saga stuff in he mid-90s—they had to release a separate comic to explain it all. Anyone who came in after that time only knew the characters from cartoons, games, and the films that followed. Also telling that every publisher has had to reset their universes multiple times over the past few decades. Finally, what new, resonant characters have emerged since that time? Very few, they just keep milking superheroes from the 1960s.

>>10105693
>Finally, what new, resonant characters have emerged since that time?
Venom, Carnage, Doomsday, Bane, Deadpool.

>>10103016
Marvel was always bad.

>>10103016
Don't get me wrong, Todd is based and I respect his big dick moves. However when it comes to the actual comics, he always was "style over substance" guy, his Spider-Man stuff sold well because he drew shit in crazy eye catching ways, but as a writer he's never really done much anybody cares about. That's kind of the whole legacy of Spawn, the coolest looking character with one of the most identifiable art styles, but pretty much a lackluster meandering story that never goes anywhere

>>10106183
All appeared during that time, not since.

>>10098708
>>10099228
You have dog-shit-eating taste if you think Maximum Carnage is ugly. Looks miles better than the actual literal shit "Captain Commando" on the SNES.

>>10098090
Damn I’m not in the community but that’s funny to hear to me. Like you, I grew up in the 90s, it has some of the best event comics maybe that’s why I’m skewed: onslaught, death of Superman, the return of Superman, the Knightfall trilogy over the course of like tons of comics and titles. Maybe not the most serious era but definitely the most fun.

Yea as a kid I wouldn’t have known marvel was on the brink of folding. I was obsessed, comics games, cartoons toys, everything. It’s still surprising to hear to this day.

>>10106845
There are just some certain opinions in the comic community that are annoying parroted. 90's may have had a lot of silly stuff, but it wasn't as bad as some claim. But these are the kind of people who will shit on Venom but call Vulture the most badass interesting villain just cause it's the kind of kitsch they like

>>10106845
>Knightfall trilogy
I've sworn off reading modern comics/capeshit movies, but Azbat is still so cool to me, be it with the normal Batsuit and gauntlets, the the full Batman 500 armored batsuit.

>>10097673
worst version of this game, NES in-name-only version notwithstanding. the arcade cab was godlike and the genesis version was an excellent port

>>10098704
who gives a fuck about podunk nowhere towns consisting of 12 people and some cows
in the cities and in the suburbs (i.e. where the vast majority of people lived) normal kids played video games and read comics

>>10098468
40 year old here. Maybe if you’re talking PC gaming, but console gaming was very firmly a normie thing in the 90s.

>>10098090
I'll take the 90s edgy era over the 2000s boring black leather era any day of the week.

>>10107989
The culture hardly changed from the mid-90s through 2006, anyway, 9/11 notwithstanding. The hit rate for comic book video games has also been pretty consistent forever: lots of shit with a few genuinely great and memorable ones sprinkled throughout. Tie-in games for comic movies are egregious.

>>10107198
Azbat is one of the last things they can rape so I’m hopeful they don’t try. His evolution visually is amazing and you’re right I’d take him in any form even his base batman costume w gauntlets made him feel different and even more scary. It truly felt like a Batman who was willing to kill too. I’m honestly surprised he wasn’t ever featured in any game, to my knowledge, since his customer is so iconic. Maybe Bane overshadows him? But he dispatches Bane pretty easily, which really puts him over as the heavy.

>>10108321
Oh wait, maybe he is featured in the non retro games.. I don’t know, never 100 percent those games except maybe the first and for the purposes of this board, I guess they don’t count.

>>10108321
>Azbat is one of the last things they can rape so I’m hopeful they don’t try. His evolution visually is amazing and you’re right I’d take him in any form even his base batman costume w gauntlets made him feel different and even more scary. It truly felt like a Batman who was willing to kill too. I’m honestly surprised he wasn’t ever featured in any game, to my knowledge, since his customer is so iconic. Maybe Bane overshadows him? But he dispatches Bane pretty easily, which really puts him over as the heavy.
They made Jean Paul Valley into some sort of monkey mothered metahuman/mutate and later killed JPV off in the comics and replaced him with some MK ULRA'd black Gotham cop. Now he's back, or was so in like.... 2018 or so? Last I bothered with comic books. He was pretty boring though. He had two great armored batsuit figures at least. Still have both of them all these years later, saved for my possible kids to play with.

All that said and done, you can create and play as base costume Azrael in Lego Batman, which if memory serves was on PS2 and Xbox and is retro?

They must have been doing something woke or retarded to go bankrupt in the 90s when people were still buying comics

>>10107989
>>10108292
I would say 90s edginess was more aptly the "x-teem" era, it was over the top and zany in how cool and "not yo daddy's" it tried to be, but it was still in good fun. The 00s I think started a different feeling and a different kind of edgy, some of it was more like trying to be what they thought was more mature while the 90s relished in its immaturity

>>10108589
Just dumb business moves in part. People bought a lot of comics expecting them to be worth money, so they made a lot of shit to appeal to these people, but in the end these weren't worth anything since they weren't actually rare like the comics that were worth money, and they found themselves in a sticky spot when people weren't buying all the shit they were pumping out

>DC comics had all of Warner Bros. money to fall back on, not to mention that while DC does license out its characters, the TV shows and movies are all made by internal Warner Bros. divisions and all the profits go back to Warner Bros.

>Marvel was an independent publisher. It had no money to fall back on. All of its TV shows were produced by outside companies. And sometimes those deals were quite one sided. Most notably all of Marvel’s movie rights had been sold off to people who were decidedly not making movies. So there wasn’t even a small stream of money coming in from there. Marvel was (obviously) sitting on one of the most valuable piles of IP that exists and yet couldn’t monetize any of it.

>Additionally, while the bubble was building, Marvel had gone on a buying spree. They bought 40% of ToyBiz, they bought the trading card company Fleer, they bought a sticker manufacturer Panini Group, they bought trading card company Sky Box International. All of which cost a combined $700 million.

>All of which meant that by the mid-’90s Marvel as a company was massively in debt with significantly reduced revenue from where they were in the early ‘90s.

>>10097671
>The subtitle, Arcade's Revenge, is so tiny the company logo is bigger than it.

The 90s were fun

Should have srarted heavily investing in collectible Spiderman merch 15 years ago.

>>10110237
It was already over 15 years ago. If you really wanted to make a go of it, the 90s were your last chance. The first X-men and Spider-Man movies sent all the collectible stuff into the stratosphere and it’s never come down. In like 1998, you had a plausible shot at finding a rare comic issue in a used bookstore or antique shop because nobody knew what they had and there wasn’t too much interest in them. Now the only way is to get them cheap is at estate sales or liquidations, but even those are being systematized by tech bros. I don’t collect /vr/ but know a few who do: every an at-least-marginally-popular comic book movie drops, any and all games featuring the characters gets a price jack, even with the current coomlector market craziness.

>>10097635
>>10097631
This. People seem to forget that it wasn't until relatively recently in its history that Marvel wasn't just bleeding money like a sieve.
>>10106420
I still hold that the premise of Spawn is great but they just don't do anything really with it. Which is why the HBO miniseries is so much better than the comic.

>>10110068
These comics will NEVER see a re-print most likely

>>10098090
The only people who hated 90's style comics were the boomers who grew up with Silver Age censored crap and got butthurt that comics were leaving that behind.

I will admit though, I was traumatized as a kid when I read a Spider Woman comic in the 90's when I was around 8 or 9. Like, this shit is nightmare fuel.

>>10111103
It’s really engaging for the first 100 issues or so. Then yeah, it’s like they built this awesome world w all these cool characters and ehhhhh. Maybe it gets bad earlier but like a show u have 2 good seasons into, I went further but I know I finished up around 100 and was like, yeah I’m good, because my brother had them all but 17 I think.

More on topic is his psx game any good?

>>10111093
> In like 1998, you had a plausible shot at finding a rare comic issue in a used bookstore or antique shop because nobody knew what they had and there wasn’t too much interest in them.

Are you joking? The collector-craze is what killed the comic industry in the 90's and caused Marvel to go bankrupt. And I blame it all on fucking Superman.

You had some dipshit retard sell the original #1 Action Comics which had Superman in it for a million dollars, and then you had every fucking boomer from Seattle to New York scrambling to go into comic book stores to buy every #1 issue they could because they thought it was easy money, unaware, in typical boomer fashion, that people only give a shit about collectibles decades down the line, and if what you have is both sought after and rare. So you had 30-40 year olds in the 90's who were buying garbage bags full of #1's, and nothing else, causing the rest of the series of the #1 to sell like shit, which made Marvel and DC realize "Oh, nobody is actually buying our continued stories", and basically reset every fucking 4th or 5th issue into a new #1, eventually until later when everyone stopped caring, and there were piles and piles of #1 issues sitting on store shelves that nobody was buying.

Once again, boomers, ruined something for the next generation.

>>10106420
>>10111103
I love Spawn not because it's amazingly written, but because it's Peak 90's comic book ridiculousness. Leave it to Spawn to make a super-soldier cyborg Gorilla that has machine-based telepathy.

>>10111140
>More on topic is his psx game any good?
No

>>10111146
I don’t disagree with anything you wrote; greedy boomers definitely ruined it for their descendants. Publishers encouraged it and deserve what they got. All I’m saying is in the 90s, there were still places that hadn’t yet been systematically scoured by those 30-40yo neckbeards where you could still find an old, important issue priced like it was toilet paper. No longer. Same with /vr/ games. Old games back then, even long-obsolete ones, were dirt cheap until…

>>10111420
>there were still places that hadn’t yet been systematically scoured by those 30-40yo neckbeards where you could
It wasn't neckbeards. It was clueless bud-light sipping dads from the suburbs.

The trend with video games is more of millennials taking after their boomer parents tendencies, but they don't have jobs and all they have are plastic cartridges from when they were children.

The collectible market is annoying as fuck and it would be best if people quit thinking it was an easy avenue for money, because it's not. You either get lucky, or you don't.

>>10097638
Not really. I enjoyed most of them & I'm a DC fanboy.

>>10111146
>>10111428
It's because the boomers didn't understand that the only reason Action Comics #1 is so rare and valueable is because 99% of the copies were recycled during the Great Depression and thus don't exist anymore.

What a banger, shits all over SNES's fart box

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyWk6hXayBU

>>10111146
>Once again, boomers, ruined something for the next generation.
How is it different than cringelennial normies who were buying up Pokemon crap a couple years ago rofl. It's like, the same thing
>holy shit this thing from my childhood is still collectible, woah everybody we gonna be rich!

>>10097671
based arcade's revenge enjoyers

i certainly understand that it's not that good looking back but i had it on sega and was young enough to both enjoy it on spider man and xmen love and play it over and over again till i beat it

web swinging and jumping around as spider-man is awesome and when carnage freakin shows up i remember losing my mind

wolverine stages are the most fun
cyclops is rough but this game is why i like his blue and white x cap suit so much
gambits is the most frustrating but i liked him the most on the xmen so i struggled through it
storm was always dead meat cause in was to young and dumb to figure out the maze
hated seeing her drown all the time

i just replayed adamantiums rage not to long ago
rage is right cause dang it's hard

>>10097628
spiderman looks so funny here. like he's embarrassed to be there and forced to take the picture.

>>10111845
That's why I use Game Genie codes.

>>10099105
I thought the game was based on the comic run where Spider-Man has that huge moral dilemma over whether or not it's morally justifiable to murder a serial killer or his living symbiote. Huh. Guess it came later on

>>10098712
>ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS... LE TROLLING
You keep outing yourself as a histrionic plebbit zoomer. I've seen you in about 6 threads this week. I know it's you because you have made identical arguments against people who passively disagree with you, and this board is not nearly as active as the others on this fucking site. I hope the mods see your underage posting and device ban you. Fuck you. You are such an annoying fucking brainlet. I suggest you lurk for 10 more years so you don't have to suffer intellectual embarrasment every time you post something.

>>10107256
population density ≠ population count. vast majority of the US is small out of touch rural towns, and those populations added up still outweight big cities. You're a dumbass

>>10112153
>a histrionic plebbit zoomer.
Funny, cause that's how your posts seem.

Anyway, you're making things up. Nobody in the US in the 90s was so backwards in time they didn't know about superheroes or videogames. And the only reason they might not be allowed to have anything from them is like if their parents just didn't allow it. Comics and video games weren't sold exclusively in NYC and LA, you absolute fruitcake.

>>10112204
>how your posts seem
here are the three posts i made in this thread: >>10112143, >>10112153, >>10112163

as for the rest of what you said, you're flat out misreprenting that original anon's argument. he never said people didn't KNOW of these things. that's something you strawmanned out of his argument. most people didnt care for comics and vidya pre-2000s. many of the sales for those games were a combination of international, coastal cities, and bigger cities in typically less dense states. comics and vidya were objectively fringe autism subculture. if they weren't, then post-2000s hype derived from films wouldn't have been such a big deal for marvel, they wouldnt have been bleeding money in the 90s, and there wouldn't be 50,000+ youtube videos and articles existing today about this extremely obvious cultural shift towards "le ebin nerd culture is cool guyz!" just because it's normal in the world you grew up in post-05 doesn't mean we who actually lived through the time before that are lying trolls. perhaps you need to practice researching different subcultures of other time periods beyond whatever your social media circle says

>>10112204
If what you're saying is true, there would have been no culture pushing losers of the time to make films like Ghost World, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Ginger Snaps, etc. The only comicshit normies cared about or were even remotely aware of pre-mid 00s were Batman, Superman, Flash, and Spider-Man, MAYBE X-Men, and maybe some of the Avengers due to cartoons. You live in a fantasy world

>>10112240
You're such a zoomer. Video games were so big in the 90s there were multiple major pop culture trends revolving around them, such as Mortal Kombat and Pokemon.

"Nerd culture shift" was real, but it isn't what you think it is. Capeshit and video games were not niche things only autists liked, it's just that they were considered dorky and considered more for kids than adults by "2cool4school" types. They were popular, but they weren't cool. The shift is that they became cool and trendy, not that they weren't popular. You could say the same thing about so many things.....how about Star Wars? Definitely more "hip" to be a "Star Wars geek" than it ever was before, that doesn't mean Star Wars wasn't still huge

>>10112429
>Brooo like what about the exception! Don't you remember the massively popular simple shit aimed at the lowest common denominator?

>>10112270
>MAYBE X-Men
X-Men was probably the coolest superhero thing in the 90's. Are you not aware that the 90s X-Men is one of the more beloved 90s cartoons? The toys were hot as well, and that's why there were so many damn X-Men games. Even kids who weren't comic readers had Wolverine action figures laying around because it was just as common as TMNT, Power Rangers, and everything else

It was definitely Batman, due to the popularity of Batman The Animated Series and the Burton movies, and then X-Men and Spider-Man. Those were the coolest superhero properties, but edgy anti heroes were also cool, such as Spawn, even Ghost Rider had a toyline in the 90s because edgy was in.

Let me ask you this, if capeshit was so fucking niche and underground, why the hell would big stars like Michael Keaton, Jack Nicholson, Michelle Pfeiffer, etc be starring in Batman movies? Even the movies people don't like had A list stars like George Clooney and Jim Carry.

>>10112497
>pffff they always make expensive hollywood movies about things that don't make any money and aren't popular
You weren't alive in the 90s, your LARP is up.

>>10112429
>Conan sending Triumph to the prequel openings in NY
It was always geeky, it's just corpos wised up and realized that you can't grow a brand if your customer base is ridiculed. Conan went from sending Triumph to make fun of nerds to becoming a literal Star Wars shill for the sequel trilogy.
vid related
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CzbXA53I24

>>10112579
That's my point, it was geeky and became trendy later, but only someone who wasn't alive in the 90s would think these things were obscure unpopular things in the anals of strange obscure media like tentacle hentai or something. They were still big things in pop culture, they were just for geeks. Being a geek was not like a rare underground thing, lots of people were geeks.

And the point people seem to be missing to is, regardless of how any of this shit was viewed for adults to like, it was still very popular with kids. What changed near the end of the 00s and into the 2010s was the perception of older fans, aka geeks. And even then, things like superheroes and Star Wars were a part of Americana....it was definitely geeky to be an older fan obsessed with it or part of "fandom" on any dedicated level, but Star Wars was a huge deal in the 70s and made tons of cash, so did the Christopher Reeves Superman, normie boomers and gen xers love Lou Ferrigno Hulk, you didn't have to be a total basement dwelling geek with hoards of toys and comics to be aware of or like these things even pre 90s, let alone in the 90s, which was the generation of kids, including myself, who never grew up or gave up their youth normalizing "geek culture" by the 2010s when we were in our adult years

>>10112524
>why would these hollywood stars take top dollar to play strange characters

>>10112637
>hmm.. i cant deny their argument.. i know! i guess I'll just make up some bullshit to argue about and say they said it!
Hey anon
φ(｀д´)
FUCK YOU

>>10112945
Yes, these obscure strange characters nobody ever heard of and definitely weren't a draw in any way other than to the most autistic portions of society, you know, the market big companies usually try to profit from.

ITT

>>10102620
based bios

>>10111845
Weird that Sabretooth was just a throwaway villian, but I noticed he could heal past the 100% mark if you hit him once and let him regenerate. Fitzroy and Shinobi Shaw generally aren't who I consider Wolverine mainstays though.

>>10111428
Yeah. I’m not really in the collectible market anymore, anyway. But even when I was, it wasn’t to make a profit. I just wanted to own a few cool things that were either unobtainable for me bitd or significant collectibles in their own rights. Mostly in comics. I really don’t like all the people who go around vacuuming up all those things just to resell them on eBay the same day for double the price. That it’s now been happening to previously worthless game cartridges is another symptom of the larger disease in our culture.

>>10113003
>picrel
I had one of these cups, it finally cracked last year after 30 years of usage. Goddamn I miss that cup…

>>10114243
RIP cup

>>10113015
This reminded me of Happy Noodle Boy

>>10114243

>>10115050
>>10115916
Yep, mine was the Batman one. After years of dishwashing, the imagery had mostly faded or become discolored. I moved on to a steel big cup. No more (((plastic))).

>>10112524
>picrel
Had a ton of these cheap, shitty marvel action figures bitd. They’re not in any way collectible long term. Even if you keep them in perfect conditions, they eventually get sticky and start breaking down—I did my parents a favor and tossed all of mine from storage right after finishing college. Took about 10 minutes to wash all the residue off my hands.

>>10111828
>based arcade’s revenge enjoyers
Yep, it wasn’t the best but some of the character levels were pretty good. The game boy version is far more frustrating than snes/genesis.

>>10111103
>This. People seem to forget that it wasn't until relatively recently in its history that Marvel wasn't just bleeding money like a sieve.
That's not entirely true. Marvel did strike gold in the early 90s with X-Men. I think the relaunch's #1 issue is still one of the best selling comic books ever. Speculators started buying comics like crazy and Marvel was riding high for a bit, playing into the fad with a never ending supply of variant covers, trading cards, etc. But then everyone collectively came to their senses when they realized comic books weren't going to make them rich and the floor fell out. Marvel had overprinted it's books and comic shops nationwide were left holding the bag. Scores of comic shops went out of business at this point and Marvel nearly went bankrupt.

>>10108589
During the 90s, comic books suddenly became a collectible fad, not unlike crypto, beanie babies and Pokemon cards, and I know that during this time, Marvel/DC pandered to them, began overprinting comics and creating a bunch of special limited edition shit.

>>10097858
Zoomer detected again. Cartoons and toys were exclusive to young children back then,

If you were over 12 year olds and still watched cartoons you were considered autistic and were put into a rehabilitation clinic.

I know it’s really difficult to understand when newfags like you line up walls full of funkos in your 30s, but hey, the world was really different back then.

>>10118697
>Zoomer detected
>in your 30s
What the nigger?

>>10112163
Rural areas do not matter and have never mattered

>>10112240
>comics and vidya were objectively fringe autism subculture
mario and sonic were everywhere lol they even had ice cream bars
video games were advertised on network TV during prime time
you are a clueless zoomer who doesn't know shit about any of this

>>10112163
I think you're underestimating just how unevenly distributed the population of of the US is. Los Angeles alone has a population of 3.8 million. That's more people than the five least populated states combined.

>>10118719
He's a bit off but the oldest Gen Z are in their late 20s

>>10119416
I would say, mid 20s. That's pretty much the separation right there. People in their late 20s are the youngest Millennials,

Marvel was in a bad place by the time the 90s rolled around, an absolute mess by the end of the 90s.
They'd already tried every publishing trick at their disposal (that's a whole different post) and their only option left was to pimp out their IP.
Kids weren't buying comics en masse anymore, that was old man and nerd shit. Video games, TV/movies, and toys were where it was at. Marvel didn't know a damn thing about any of that, so they sold off licensing rights. For Marvel, at the time, it was like free money with no downsides. Every company that had a dollar and a product, from underwear to card games, could slap a Marvel character on their stuff.
Got a bunch of programmer nerds with zero creativity? Buy 'em a Spider-Man! They'll slam out a vidya and decades of brand recognition will make marketing a breeze.

>side note
The rise of competition, in no small part due to Marvel's bullshittery, wasn't helping either. People like to dump all over the "XTREEEEEME!!!/grimdark" wave of publishers (and associated artists), but you have no idea what a welcome change that was from the mismanaged soap operas that comics had become.

>>10119461
The advantage the 90s had was, regardless of tone, most books were brand new. Even forever running characters like Superman got a relaunch (in the 80s but close enough). If you were a kid in the early 90s just diving into comic books you kind of got in on the ground floor. There was very little continuity lockout when it came to the likes of X-Men and Batman and a lot of popular stuff like Spawn and everything else Image was literally new. It didn't last but that kind of thing is a big deal to people. Nobody wants to jump into the middle of shit when their understanding of who the characters even are depends on having read some tie-in book from an entirely different series. Ironic that the MCU fell into that same trap after having done it right for so long and now people are switching off because they don't feel like committing to a dozen Disney+ shows.

>>10119490
>Superman got a relaunch (in the 80s but close enough)
AND 90s... and AGAIN in the 90s (and then AGAIN in the 90s, if you count one-shots).
And that was DC, and they were doing "ok" when compared to Marvel.

To put some of comics' publishing bullshit into better perspective for people who don't know: Marvel and DC, the two big powerhouses of comics, once released a multi-title limited run series of comics together that combined their most famous characters.
Like, COMBINED their characters. Full on DBZ fusion stuff.
This was a joint venture published by the co-owned Amalgam Comics ("amalgam," as in a combination/mixture, hurr durr...).
They hyped the shit out of this. Not even "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" would be able to hold a candle to this level of inter-company collaboration that had been marred by decades of rivalry!
I mean, two of the biggest names in fantasy entertainment were finally going to sixty-nine and they were offering up front row seats... what could go wrong?
Whelp, it turns out assigning 3rd-stringer artists and writers to make a compelling story using mostly B-list characters isn't a recipe for success.

That's not even a fluke. 90s comics were a shitshow of gimmicks. Reboots, foil covers, crossovers, weddings, alternative timelines, every other title being "FIRST issue," blood, tiddies (there were, and i'm not joking, swimsuit issues), villians-turned-hero, guest artists, more reboots, crossover reboots, foil cover crossover reboots, based on the hit movie foil cover crossover reboots vs. Alien... and that's just the first half of the 90s. Every. Single. Month.

So why all this bullshit? Once comics sales started dropping they, mostly Marvel, were doing even dirtier shit.
You could NOT read titles from issue-to-issue. You had to read 9 different books to understand what happened between Fantastic Four #374 and 375. Single issues barely made any sense and consecutive issues even less. Why? Because "fuck you, buy more comics," is why.

>>10119416
That doesn't explain anon's outburst. I guess I drove him momentarily insane because I said I've never bought a comic book.

>retards calling each other zoomers
Just shut up already.

Anyway I might try out Separation Anxiety tomorrow and give it a decent play, in the past I dismissed it as Maximum Carnage's downy little brother.

>>10119461
>mismanaged soap operas
Good description. I gave up on following Spider-Man during the clone saga, it was so drawn out and stupid. Oh, green goblin was behind it all? Gay.

>You had to read 9 different books to understand what happened
Also this. They tried to get you to spend like $50 a month on all that, too. Insanity.

>>10119567
>You could NOT read titles from issue-to-issue. You had to read 9 different books to understand what happened between Fantastic Four #374 and 375. Single issues barely made any sense and consecutive issues even less. Why? Because "fuck you, buy more comics," is why.
This shit was so fucking irritating and it's still going on. You'd have major plot points happening in completely random places. It drove countless people to just wait for the trade paperbacks. And comics started getting expensive in comparison to what you were getting. You'd drop $5 on a single issue that really didn't have enough content on it's own. Plus weeks would go by before you'd get the next piece of the story and often forget what it was you had just read. It's funny when a comic would have a bunch of footnotes in the dialogue. You'd see an asterisk with "Issue: #whatever." Manga started selling so well in comparison because it was just better organized. You'd get a thick ass book that told a coherent part of a story and the next one had a convenient "2" and "3" and "4" on it. You knew exactly what you needed to read and in what order. Frankly comic books should have abandoned the single issues entirely and just published trades. The industry would be doing way better today had they committed to that in the 90s.

>>10098468
Every single male child in America either had an NES or was a poorfag playing at his neighbor's house after school. It was as mainstream as anything has ever been in the history of media. You are 17.

>>10097628
>oh no, somethin super hip and popular has merchandise

I wonder why

>>10099158
This one is great though.

>>10098454
I still think she's cute